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John Sheehan National Renewable Energy Laboratory Golden, CO August 3-4, 2004 USDOE/NASULGC Biomass and Solar Energy Workshops Sustainable biomass: a systems view

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Page 1: Sustainable Biomass: A Systems View - NREL · 2013. 10. 17. · WtW study results • 13x reduction in petroleum consumption for ethanol • Petroleum use is higher than net fossil

John SheehanNational Renewable Energy LaboratoryGolden, COAugust 3-4, 2004USDOE/NASULGC Biomass and Solar Energy Workshops

Sustainable biomass:a systems view

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• Analysis driven R&D

• The conundrum of sustainability

• An economic perspective

• A life cycle perspective

• A plea for transparency, education and dialogue

Overview

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Analysis driven R&D

ConceptualProcess Design

Material and EnergyBalance

Capital and Project Cost

Estimates

EconomicAnalysis

SustainabilityandLCA

R&D

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“...the question is...whether man shall henceforth start forwards with accelerated velocity towards illimitable and hitherto unconceived improvement; or be condemned to a perpetual oscillation between happiness and misery....”

- Thomas Malthus, An Essay on the Principle of Population (1798)

The conundrum of sustainability: Malthus...

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“...the question is...whether man shall henceforth start forwards with accelerated velocity towards illimitable and hitherto unconceived improvement; or be condemned to a perpetual oscillation between happiness and misery....”

- Thomas Malthus, An Essay on the Principle of Population (1798)

The conundrum of sustainability: ...Scrooge

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“Ruin is the destination toward which all men rush, each pursuing his own best interest in a society that believes in the freedom of the commons. Freedom in a commons brings ruin to all.”

- Garrett Hardin, “The Tragedy of the Commons” Science (1968)

The conundrum of sustainability: Hardin

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“The class of ‘No technical solution problems’ has members. My thesis is that the ‘population problem’...is a member of this class.”

- Garrett Hardin, “The Tragedy of the Commons” Science (1968)

The conundrum of sustainability: Hardin

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“The class of ‘No technical solution problems’ has members. My thesis is that the ‘sustainability problem’...is a member of this class.”

- Garrett Hardin, “The Tragedy of the Commons” Science (1968)

The conundrum of sustainability: Hardin

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Senator “Malthus”

The conundrum of sustainability: Politics

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“[S]ustainable development meets the needs of the present without compromising the needs of the future generations”

- Our Common Future. United Nations’ World Commission on Environment and Development (1987)

The conundrum of sustainability:

the kumbaya

definition

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"The common aim must be to expand resources and improve quality of life for as many people as heedless population growth forces upon Earth, and do it with minimal prosthetic dependence. That, in essence is the ethic of sustainable development.”-

- E.O. Wilson, Consilience: the Unity of Knowledge

Sustainability: an ethic and a direction

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SustainabilityThe intersection of

science and ethic and the ultimate example of

E. O. Wilson’s “Consilience”

ScienceTechnology

Ethics

PoliticsEconomics

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Assessing sustainability

Sustainability Measure/Approach

Expanding Resources Renewable vs nonrenewable resources

Quality of life EconomicsValues

Earth Environmental impactsSystems perspective

Prosthetic dependence TechnologySystems perspective

Ethic DialogueSystems perspective

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Assessing sustainability

Sustainability Measure/Approach

Expanding Resources Renewable vs nonrenewable resources

Quality of life EconomicsValues

Earth Environmental impactsSystems perspective

Prosthetic dependence TechnologySystems perspective

Ethic DialogueSystems perspective

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Technoeconomic analysis: feedstock

• Biomass production economics

• POLYSYS cropland competition model

• BIOCOST model for estimating the cost of producing and harvesting biomass 20 30 40 50 60 70 80

0

8.8

17.5

26.3

35.0

Millions of acres in switchgrassat 5 tons per acre

Farmgate price of switchgrass($/ton)

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Technoeconomic analysis: conversion• Process models of

varying degrees of complexity depending on the level of R&D effort supported

• Industrially valid tools like ASPEN

• Economic analysis of varying degrees of complexity

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Syngas from biomass

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Ethanol from biomass

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Assessing sustainability

Sustainability Measure/Approach

Expanding Resources Renewable vs nonrenewable resources

Quality of life EconomicsValues

Earth Environmental impactsSystems perspective

Prosthetic dependence TechnologySystems perspective

Ethic DialogueSystems perspective

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Assessing sustainability

Sustainability Measure/Approach

Expanding Resources Renewable vs nonrenewable resources

Quality of life EconomicsValues

Earth Environmental impactsSystems perspective

Prosthetic dependence TechnologySystems perspective

Ethic DialogueSystems perspective

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Life cycle assessment and the systems perspective• Cradle to grave (Cradle to cradle)

• Ultimate system is the world

• Normalized comparisons of technology changes or alternative technologies

• Natural resource flows (renewable and non-renewable)

• Environmental flows (air, water, land)

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Life cycle assessment and the systems perspective

System before introduction of

stover to ethanol

production

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Life cycle assessment and the systems perspective

System after introduction of

stover to ethanol

production

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Ethanol from

Agricultural Residues

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Bringing together experts

• Soil carbon model

• Soil erosion model

• Agronomic model for collection and transport logistics

• Process simulator for ethanol conversion

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Findings: fossil energy

Switching to bioethanol made from corn stover reduces fossil energy use by 102%

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Findings: petroleum

Switching to bioethanol made from corn stover reduces fossil energy use by 95%

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Switching to ethanol made from corn stover reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 106%

Findings:Greenhouse gases

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Switching to ethanol made from corn stover reduces hydrocarbons that lead to ozone formation by 44%

Findings: air quality

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Switching to ethanol made from corn stover increases emissions of NOx 12-fold

Findings: air quality

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Switching to ethanol made from corn stover increases emissions of COby 20%

Findings: air quality

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Findings:soil effects

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Findings:Net GHG v time

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Ethanol from

other biomass sources

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Fossil energy use for E85 (MJ per mile)

Gasoline Corn Grain Grasses Trees Corn Stover0

1

2

3

4

5

6

5.84

3.95

1.861.23 1.15

The choice of biomass makes a difference

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Biodiesel from

soybeans

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System for soy biodieselSoybeanProduction

SoybeanCrushing

BiodieselProduction

169.34 gcarbon infat and oil

1.24 kgsoybeans

-0.81 g C inwastewater

160.81 gcarbon insoy oil

-2.36 g C inwastewater

-1.74 g C insolid waste

148.05g C inCO2

Transport Transport

148.39 g C in biodiesel

Transport

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Biodiesel uses only 1/4 of the fossil energy used to make petroleum diesel

Findings:fossil energy use (MJ per MJ)

Petroleum Biodiesel0

0.3

0.6

0.9

1.2 1.20

0.30

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• Biodiesel from soybeans

• reduces petroleum use by 95%

• reduces CO2 emissions by 78%

Other findings

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• Biodiesel from soybeans

• reduces particulate matter 32%

• reduces carbon monoxide emissions by 35%

Other findings

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• Biodiesel from soybeans

• increases NOx emissions by 13%

• increases hydrocarbon emissions by 35%

Other findings

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Biomass co-firing

with coalLife cycle assessments

conducted by Pamela Spath and

Maggie Mann

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Biomass co-firing

• Coal fired power plants generate >50% of U.S. electricity

• 5% to 15% co-firing (heat input basis)

• Pulverized coal boiler representing average U.S. plant

• Modifications for biomass handling

• Credit for avoided operations

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Biomass co-firingFossil energy savings

• Reduction in fossil energy consumption is 60 to 76% of potential reduction associated with displaced energy value of the biomass

5% co-fire 15% co-fire0

3

6

9

12

15

5.0

15.0

3.1

11.4

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Greenhouse gasesNo co-fire

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Greenhouse gases15% co-fire

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Biomass co-fireOther air emissions

Air pollutantReduction in emissions

5% co-fire 15% co-fire

Sulfur oxides and

particulates3% 12%

Nitrogen oxides 2% 8%

Methane 101% 105%

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Biomass co-firingSummary• In most cases, rate of reduction is less than

rate of co-firing because of lower power plant efficiency and emissions and energy consumption associated with the biomass

• Methane emission reductions exceed 100% because of avoided methane generation in landfill operations

• Rate of reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is actually higher than rate of co-firing because of avoided landfill emissions

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Biomass gasification for power

productionLife cycle assessments

conducted by Pamela Spath and

Maggie Mann

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Biomass gasification for power production

• Biomass Integrated Gasification and Combined Cycle Power Production

• Indirectly heated gasification

• Use of hybrid poplar (fast growing trees) as dedicated energy crop feedstock

• Various assumptions for soil carbon sequestration due to trees

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Biomass gasificationSoil carbon effect

Hanson 1993 -4.5 to 40.3 Mg/ha over 7 yrs

Perlak et al 1992 13.4 to 17.9 Mg/ha over 7 yrs

Marland and Schlamadinger 1996 40.3 Mg/ha over 7 yrs

Ranney and Mann 1994

30-40 Mg/ha over 20-50 yrs, then equilibrium

Recent field trials Suggest a loss of soil carbon

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Biomass gasificationSoil carbon effects

-1,200

-850

-500

-150

200

-1,137-3453

181

49

Base-4.5 Mg/ha1.8 Mg/ha13.440.3

g CO2 eq per kWh

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Biomass gasificationGreenhouse gases

Natural Gas Combined Cycle System

Net greenhouse gas emissions499 g CO2-equivalent/kWh

Natural gas499 g CO2/kWh

Net greenhouse gas emissions49 g CO2-equivalent/kWh

Biomass Power System

Biomass499 g CO2/kWh

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Life cycle assessment allows us to quantify the benefits of bioenergy in terms of its ability to significantly reduce fossil energy, petroleum and greenhouse gas emissions along with identification of trade offs

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SustainabilityThe intersection of

science and ethic and the ultimate example of

E. O. Wilson’s “Consilience”

ScienceTechnology

Ethics

PoliticsEconomics

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Techno-speak and policy geeks

• Examples of problems in dialogue with the public and policymakers

• GM “Wells to Wheels” Study

• David Pimentel

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GM Wells-to-wheels

• Lignocellulosic ethanol seems to use 4 to 8x the energy required to deliver gasoline as an energy carrier

1

2

Btu used per Btu fuel

0

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• David Garman, AS for EERE, concluded that biomass makes no sense in the long run because it is so inefficient

• Is he right?

How policymakers saw it

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• The picture from the Wells to Wheel study

• Energy losses only

Getting to the right view of total energy

Gasoline Ethanol (HEC)0

0.5

1.0

1.5

0.26

1.26

Total Energy "Use" (Btu in/Btu out)

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• Using the WtW study results only

• Fossil energy losses are 5x lower for ethanol

• But this is still not an apples-to-apples comparison

Deconstructing total energy

Gasoline Ethanol (HEC)0

0.5

1.0

1.5

1.21

0.26

0.05

Non Renewable (Btu in/Btu out)Renewable (Btu in/Btu out)

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• Adding back in the fossil energy in petroleum

• 25x lower fossil energy losses

The complete fossil fuel perspective

Gasoline Ethanol (HEC)0

0.5

1.0

1.5

1.00

0.26

0.05

Fossil Energy lossesEmbodied fossil energy

Total 1.26

Total 0.05

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• The report’s original conclusion is indeed correct

• But the difference in efficiency is vastly different than the results implied in the report’s summary

...and, finally, true total energy use

Gasoline Ethanol (HEC)0

0.833

1.667

2.500

1.26

0.05

2.21

Renewable EnergyNon renewable Energy

Total 1.26

Total 2.26

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• Again, based on WtW study results

• 13x reduction in petroleum consumption for ethanol

• Petroleum use is higher than net fossil

The petroleum use perspective

Gasoline Ethanol (HEC)0

0.5

1.0

1.5

1.13

0.09

Petroleum consumption

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The corn ethanol debate: Pimentel

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LCA and dialogue

Involving stakeholders at the start and throughout the study builds trust and confidence. It also helps to sort out the uncertainties of the moral and ethical choices we need to make

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“Holistic dialogue”

• Distinguish the ethical and political from the technical

• Ethics involves defining Jefferson’s pursuit of happiness

• Life cycle assessment can promote this distinction by putting the disagreements of one along side the uncertainties of the other

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“Holistic dialogue”

• “Let us engage in the serious business of conducting our discussion rationally and logically, to discover the truth about points on which we differ.”

• Mortimer Adler

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“Holistic dialogue”

• “...western civilization is the civilization of the Logos. Liberal education, up to the end of the twentieth century, carried forward the Great Conversation.”

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“Holistic dialogue”

• As long as technical experts to contiue to offer expert opinions, the public will continue to scratch their heads in wonder

• We need to educate and engage our public in both the ethical and technical questions that surround sustainable energy