PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD, 12-10&11-2019pilb.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/pilbnvgov/Content/Boards... · 12/10/2019 · Las Vegas, Nevada 89104 REPORTED BY: SHANNON L. TAYLOR,

SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR

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TRANSCRIPT OF A MEETING

OF THE

STATE OF NEVADA

PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD

Tuesday, December 10, 2019

9:00 a.m.

and

Wednesday, December 11, 2019

9:00 a.m.

Northern Nevada Location:

DETR SAO Auditorium

500 E. Third St.

Carson City, Nevada 89713

Southern Nevada Location (Videoconferenced):

DETR Training Facility/Stanley Jones Bldg.

2800 E. St. Louis Ave., Conference Rooms A-B-C

Las Vegas, Nevada 89104

REPORTED BY: SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR

Certified Court, Shorthand and Registered Merit Reporter

Nevada CCR #322, California CSR #8753, Idaho CSR #485

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PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD, 12-10&11-2019


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A P P E A R A N C E S

Board Members Present:

Raymond Flynn, Acting Chair (Las Vegas)

Tammy Nixon (Las Vegas)

Robert Gronauer (Las Vegas)

Also: Kevin Ingram (Las Vegas)

Executive Director

Michael Detmer (Las Vegas)

Deputy Attorney General

Board Counsel

Rosalie Bordelove (Las Vegas)

Chief Deputy Attorney General

Board Prosecuting Counsel

Vincent Saladino (Las Vegas)

Supervisory Investigator

Shelly Donald (Las Vegas)

Investigator and Licensing Specialist

Paul Maxwell (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Zachary Swarthout (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Jordan Jones (Carson City)

Investigator

Mary Klemme (Carson City)

Financial Specialist

Other Participants:

Seth Schrenzel (Carson City)

Zlata Zujic (Las Vegas)

Nenad Stojanovic (Las Vegas)

John Taylor (Las Vegas)

Derk J. Boss (Las Vegas)

Sandra L. James (Carson City)

Zachary Daigle (Las Vegas)



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Geoffrey Hazard (Carson City)

Mina G. Boules (Las Vegas)

Robert G. Brockway (Las Vegas)

Timothy A. Cook (Las Vegas)

Paschal Facchini (Las Vegas)

Victor M. Garcia (Las Vegas)

William D. Ledford (Las Vegas)

Stephen W. Kenny (Las Vegas)

Arne Ogaard (Las Vegas)

James A. Rita (Las Vegas)

Gregory S. Rodriguez (Las Vegas)

David S. Chandler (Las Vegas)

Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. (Las Vegas)

Jason C. Sullivan (Carson City)

Parth Thaker (Las Vegas)

Glen A. Jacobsen (Las Vegas)

Kenneth M. VanRemortel (Las Vegas)

Jeffery W. Bruckner (Las Vegas)

Maria D. Buck (Las Vegas)

Gene L. Jacobson (Las Vegas)

Jerry D. King, Jr. (Las Vegas)

Alec R. Morgan (Las Vegas)

Ethan Tseu (Las Vegas)

Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz (Las Vegas)

Jonathan G. Alvarez (Las Vegas)

Michael A. Buxton (Carson City)

Aaron T. Jones (Las Vegas)

Ralph P. Ray (Las Vegas)

Laval Lee Jenkins (Las Vegas)

Ahmad Carney (Las Vegas)

Frederick Nnabuife (Las Vegas)

Tyrone Hinton (Las Vegas)

Stephen Caldonetti (Las Vegas)

Dustin Hippensteel (Las Vegas)

Jeremiah Carrillo (Las Vegas)

Patrick Cotham (Carson City)

Gene Hobdy (Las Vegas)

Noah Carter-White (Las Vegas)

Jordenn Lawson (Las Vegas)

Nicholas Patton (Las Vegas)

Van Dodson (Las Vegas)

Rochelle Reed (Las Vegas)

Stephen Reid, Esq. (Las Vegas)

Alfonso Redic (Las Vegas)

Adam Plant (Las Vegas)



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I N D E X

Tuesday, December 10, 2019 (page 17)

Wednesday, December 11, 2019 (page 233)

ITEM PAGE

1. Roll Call of Board Members 17

233

2. Public Comment 17

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3. Board/Executive Director Announcements,

Reports and Updates 18

4. Review and approve transcripts from

September 11, 2019 Board meetings

"for possible action" 23

5. All applicants and witnesses to be sworn in 24

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REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION

6. Seth Schrenzel of High Rock Security, Inc.,

license number 2635 is asking the Board to

grant an exemption as outlined in NAC 648.338.

Mr. Schrenzel is requesting that the Board

allow them to hire John Craig, an "active"

out of state Peace Officer, for the annual

Burning Man event held in Northern Nevada

August 30, 2020 through September 7, 2020 25

CORPORATE NAME CHANGE

7. Security Resources, Inc., license number 397 is

requesting a corporate name change to Security

Resources, LLC. Robert W. Bond will remain the

Qualifying Agent. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements.


8. Rock Your Body Yoga Massage & K9RDX, LLC, dba,

K9RDX, license number 2675 is requesting a

corporate name change to K9RDX LLC. Kristy

Moats-Moody-Abbott will remain the Qualifying

Agent. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements. "for possible action" 29



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9. SPRIGGS, Inc., license number 1052 is requesting

a corporate name change to SPRIGGS Security &

Investigations, Inc. Michael S. Spriggs will

remain the Qualifying Agent. This is subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements.


CORPORATE OFFICER

10. Citywide Security Services, LLC, license number

1786 is seeking Member status approval for

Gregory Manukian. This is subject to all



11. Griz Global Solutions, LLC, license number

2203 is seeking Member status approval for

Daniel D. Ibach. This is subject to all



12. Command Security Corporation, license number

2187 is seeking Corporate Officer approval for

Larry Parrotte. This is subject to all



13. Rancho Security Services, LLC, license number

875 is seeing Member status approval for Zlata

Zujic and Nenad Stojanovic. This is subject to



14. Allied Private Investigation & Security

Services, Inc., license number 2050 is seeking

Corporate Officer status approval for Karl

Zundel. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements. "for possible

action" 36

CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS - QUALIFYING AGENT, EXISTING

CORP

15. Perry J. Bonarrigo is requesting a change of

licensing status. Mr. Bonarrigo is requesting

that his individual license, license number

1750 be kept in abeyance so that he may become

the Qualifying Agent for 3 Sixty Secure Corp,

license number 2740. This is subject to all



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16. Gary S. Newcomer is requesting a change of

licensing status. Mr. Newcomer is requesting

that his individual license, license number 968

be kept in abeyance so that he may become the

Qualifying Agent for St. Moritz Security

Services, Inc., license number 1453. This is

subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements. "for possible action" 29

17. Dennis R. Slater is requesting a change of

licensing status. Mr. Slater is requesting that

his individual license, license number 1894 be

kept in abeyance so that he may become the

Qualifying Agent for Fire Cause Analysis, Inc.,




CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS - QUALIFYING AGENT, NEW CORP

18. Watermark Enterprises, Inc., dba Watermark

Investigations & Protection Group is applying

for a new corporate Private Patrolman license.

If approved, John A. Avila, license number 2001

is requesting that his individual license be


Qualifying Agent. Corporate officer to be

approved is John A. Avila. This is subject to



19. Chenega Security & Support Solutions, LLC is

applying for a new corporate Private Patrolman

license. If approved, Stewart W. Bentley,

license number 1530 is requesting that his

individual license be kept in abeyance so that

he may become the Qualifying Agent. Member to

be approved is Wade F. Dennis. This is subject

to all statutory and regulatory requirements.


20. DJ Boss Assoc. is applying for a new corporate

Private Investigator license. If approved,

Derk J. Boss, Jr., license number 1476 is

requesting that his individual license be kept

in abeyance so that he may become the



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Qualifying Agent. Member to be approved is

Derk J. Boss, Jr. This is subject to all



21. HK Security Services Inc. is applying for a

new corporate Private Patrolman license. If

approved, Walter P. Kodba, license number 1674



Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officer to be

approved is Walter P. Kodba. This is subject



22. Perspective Investigations LLC is applying for

a new corporate Private Investigator license.

If approved, Chad A. Mitchell, license number

2783 is requesting that his individual license

be kept in abeyance so that he may become the


Chad A. Mitchell. This is subject to all



23. Condor Security of America, Inc. is applying for

a new corporate Private Patrolman license. If

approved, Gregory A. Veiga, license number 2138




approved is Gregory A. Veiga. This is subject



24. PalAmerican Security, Inc. is applying for a

new corporate Private Patrolman license. If

approved, Timothy Wells, license number 2212




approved is Troy W. Hales. This is subject to



PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR

25. Private Eyes Screening Group Inc. is applying

for a new corporate Private Investigator



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license. Sandra L. James is applying for an

individual Private Investigator license. If

approved, she is requesting that her individual

license be placed into abeyance so that she may

become the Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officer

to be approved is Sandra L. James. This is



26. Zachary Daigle is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. If approved, he


placed into abeyance so that he may become the

Qualifying Agent for PreCheck, Inc., license

number 1618. Corporate Officers to be approved

are Bruce E. Berger, Michael J. Kucza and

James C. Owens. This is subject to all



27. Geoffrey Hazard is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. This is subject



PRIVATE PATROLMAN

28. Pharaohs, LLC is applying for a new corporate

Private Patrolman license. Mina G. Boules is

applying for an individual Private Patrolman

license. If approved, he is requesting that

his individual license be placed into abeyance

so that he may become the qualifying agent.

Member to be approved is Mina G. Boules. This

is subject to all statutory and regulatory


29. Apex Security Group, Inc. is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman license. Robert G.

Brockway is applying for an individual Private

Patrolman license. If approved, he is

requesting that his individual license be


Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officers to be

approved are Robert G. Brockway and Paul S.

Erickson. This is subject to all statutory

and regulatory requirements. "for possible

action" 64



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30. Resolve Assurance LLC is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman license.

Timothy A. Cook is applying for an individual

Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is



Qualifying Agent. Members to be approved are

Timothy A. Cook and Tucker L. Stokely. This



31. Contingency Concepts, LLC is applying for a

new corporate Private Patrolman license.

Paschal Facchini is applying for an individual





Paschal Facchini, Peter J. Facchini and Brett M.

Krueger. This is subject to all statutory and


action" 68

32. Victor M. Garcia is applying for an individual




Qualifying Agent for Thomas Protective Services,

Inc., license number 1309. This is subject to



33. Chaos Security, LLC is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman license. William D.

Ledford is applying for an individual Private


requesting that his individual license be placed

into abeyance so that he may become the


William D. Ledford and Stephen W. Kenny. This



34. Arne Ogaard is applying for an individual




Qualifying Agent for Five Diamond Screening,

LLC, license number 2787. This is subject to



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35. SRS Protection, Inc. is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman license. James A.

Rita is applying for an individual Private




Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officers to be

approved are James A. Rita and Robin A. Neubert.

This is subject to all statutory and regulatory


36. The Stonewall Viper Group, Inc., dba

The Company, is applying for a new corporate

Private Patrolman license. Gregory S. Rodriguez

is applying for an individual Private Patrolman

license. If approved, he is requesting that his

individual license be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the Qualifying Agent.

Corporate Officers to be approved are Gregory S.

Rodriguez and David S. Chandler. This is



37. Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. is applying for an

individual Private Patrolman license. If

approved, he is requesting that his individual

license be placed into abeyance so that he may

become the Qualifying Agent for American Guard

Services, Inc., license number 1364. This is



38. Jason C. Sullivan, dba Tahoe Life Security, is

applying for an individual Private Patrolman

license. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements. "for possible action" 90

39. Priority 1 Protective Services NV LLC is

applying for a new corporate Private Patrolman

license. Parth Thaker is applying for an




become the Qualifying Agent. Members to be

approved are Parth Thaker, Judy Weiser and

Glen A. Jacobsen. This is subject to all



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40. Kenneth M. VanRemortel is applying for an




become the Qualifying Agent for Pinkerton

Consulting & Investigations Inc., license

number 1029. This is subject to all statutory


action" 96

PROCESS SERVER

41. Jeffery W. Bruckner is applying for an

individual Process Server license. If approved,

he is requesting that his individual license be


Qualifying Agent for ProDox, L.L.C., license

number 1710. This is subject to all statutory


action" 99

42. HES-Hurricane Eviction Services, LLC is

applying for a new corporate Process Server

license. Maria D. Buck is applying for an


she is requesting that her individual license be

placed into abeyance so that she may become the


Maria D. Buck. This is subject to all



43. Gene L. Jacobson, dba Private Investigators

International, is applying for an individual

Process Server license. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements. "for

possible action" 103

44. Las Vegas Residential Properties, LLC is

applying for a new corporate Process Server

license. Jerry D. King, Jr. is applying for an





Yaakov K. Greenspan. This is subject to all



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45. Aris Vegas, LLC is applying for a new corporate

Process Server license. Alec R. Morgan is

applying for an individual Process Server


individual license be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the Qualifying Agent. Member

to be approved is Alec R. Morgan. This is



46. Ethan Tseu is applying for an individual

Process Server license. This is subject to all



CANINE HANDLER

47. T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license number

2704 is applying for a new Canine Handler

license. Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for

an individual Canine Handler license. If

approved, she is requesting that her individual

license be placed into abeyance so that she may

become the Qualifying Agent. This is subject



48. Protective Force International LLC, license

number 2687 is applying for a new Canine Handler

license. Jonathan G. Alvarez is applying for an

individual Canine Handler license. If approved,






PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND PRIVATE PATROLMAN

49. Michael A. Buxton is applying for an individual

Private Investigator and Private Patrolman

license. This is subject to all statutory and


action" 122



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50. International Protective Service, Inc. is

applying for a new corporate Private Investigator

and Private Patrolman license. Aaron T. Jones is

applying for an individual Private Investigator

and Private Patrolman license. If approved, he

is requesting that his individual licenses be





51. Ralph P. Ray is applying for an individual

Private Investigator and Private Patrolman

license. If approved, he is requesting that

his individual licenses be placed into abeyance

so that he may become the Qualifying Agent for

Century Security Management of Las Vegas,




PRIVATE PATROLMAN AND CANINE HANDLER

52. Action K-9 Security, Inc. is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman and Canine Handler

license. Timothy J. Clancy is applying for an

individual Private Patrolman and Canine Handler


individual licenses be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the Qualifying Agent.

Corporate Officers to be approved are Timothy J.

Clancy and Danula J. Clancy. This is subject to



REGISTRATION APPEALS

53. Alex Holden applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Holden is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 136


54. Laval Lee Jenkins applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Jenkins is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.




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55. David Wright applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Wright is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 141


56. Ahmad Carney applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Carney is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


57. Catharine Freitag applied for registration

and was denied. Ms. Freitag is appealing the



58. Dontrell Blackburn applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Blackburn is appealing

the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 146


59. Frederick Nnabuife applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Nnabuife is appealing

the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


60. Tyrone Hinton applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Hinton is appealing the



61. Dustin Hippensteel applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Hippensteel is appealing

the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


62. Jeremiah Carrillo applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Carrillo is appealing the



63. Patrick Cotham applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Cotham is appealing the



64. Patricia Lewis applied for registration and

was denied. Ms. Lewis is appealing the





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65. Gene Hobdy applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Hobdy is appealing the decision



66. Noah Carter-White applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. White is appealing the



67. Jordenn Lawson applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Lawson is appealing the



68. Nicholas Patton applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Patton is appealing the



69. Joseph Mumford applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Mumford is appealing the



70. Joseph Huizar applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Huizar is appealing the



71. Van Dodson applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Dodson is appealing the decision



72. Rochelle Reed applied for registration and

was denied. Ms. Reed is appealing the



73. Dontague Bush applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Bush is appealing the



74. James Smelley applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Smelley is appealing the





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DISCIPLINARY HEARING

75. Continuation of disciplinary hearing for

Adam Plant, R-085960, pursuant to NRS 648.156.


WORK CARD APPEAL

76. Alfonso Redic applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Redic is appealing decision to

the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


CITATION APPEALS

77. Torrey Mitchell is appealing the issuance of

Citation I-0007-19 to the Board pursuant to

NRS 648.165. "for possible action" 234

SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT

78. Review, discussion and possible approval of

the Settlement Agreement and Release in the

matters of Gallian Welker & Beckstrom, L.C.,

and Raelene Palmer v. State of Nevada, Office

of the Attorney General, PILB, and ESI Security

Services, and ESI Security Services v. PILB

(Cross-Claim) (Case No. A-18-782763-C).


OTHER BUSINESS

79. Board Comment and future agenda items

"for possible action" ---

80. Public Comment 232

287

81. Adjournment "for possible action" 232

288



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CARSON CITY, NEVADA, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 2019,

9:02 A.M.

-oOo-

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Good

morning. I'll call to order the Private Investigators

Licensing Board of the State of Nevada.

Mr. Ingram, would you give us a roll call.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Acting Chair Ray Flynn?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Tammy Nixon?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Robert Gronauer?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Here.

MR. INGRAM: We have a quorum.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Reference

public comment. Members of the general public may

comment on matters appearing on the agenda and may bring

matters not appearing on the agenda to the attention of

the Board. The Board may discuss the matters not

appearing on the agenda but may not act on the matters

at this meeting. If the Board desires, the matters may

be placed on a future agenda for action. Public comment

will be limited to five minutes per person at the

discretion of the Chairman but will not be restricted



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according to the person's viewpoint.

In addition to public comment being taken at

the beginning and at the end of the meeting, public

comment may be accepted after each agenda item prior to

the Board taking action. However, prior to the

commencement and conclusion of a contested case or a

quasi-judicial proceeding that may affect the due

process rights of an individual, the Board will not

consider public comment, pursuant to NRS 233B.126.

So, first off, is there any public comment

before we start the meeting?

Do we have any public comment up north?

MS. KLEMME: No, we don't.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.

Seeing no public comment, Mr. Ingram. Okay.

Mr. Ingram, can you give us reports and updates, please.

And, also, introduce your staff.

MR. INGRAM: Yes, sir. We'll start with the

introduction of staff. In the north, to the far left,

we have Mary Klemme. She's our Financial Specialist in

our Carson City office. To her left is Jordan Jones.

He's our investigator for the northern area. And we

have Shannon Taylor, who's our reporter today.

In the south, across and to my left is

Supervisory Investigator Vincent Saladino; Zachary



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Swarthout, Investigator; Shelly Donald, Investigator;

Paul Maxwell, Investigator; and then we have Board

Counsel, Mr. Mike Detmer. My name's Kevin Ingram, and

I'm the Director.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.

MR. INGRAM: Following that, I did provide the

budget status report to the Board members. Do any of

you have any questions?

We are on track right now with our budget, no

problems, to include the transition from the Attorney

General's Office over to the Enterprise IT. So it says

that has gone fairly smoothly. We are ironing out a few

wrinkles, but we are completely off of the Attorney

General's website and servers now. All of our email

addresses have changed from the @ag.nv.gov to

@pilb.nv.gov with the state. The former system is gone.

So we're going to be in operation now. Our email

addresses have changed from first initial, last name

@ag.nv.gov to first initial, last name @pilb.nv.gov.

Vinny, do you want to go ahead with the

statistics?

MR. SALADINO: Yes. Investigator Saladino. So

this last go-round, from September to December, we had a

total of 50 applicants for licensure. We had two

canines, no repos, no polygraph. We had six for process



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serving, six for private investigations, 16 for private

patrol, and 20 corporate applications for either name

changes or adding corporate officers to it.

From September to December, we processed 2,687

work cards. There was a little bit of an increase due

to the Life is Beautiful event, iheart Radio, Day N

Vegas Festivals. We have 1,394 active, 971 provisional,

180 that are still pending, 76 have been withdrawn, and

76 have been denied.

So the active ones have received them, they've

been mailed, and the cards are to them.

Provisional, we're just waiting for fingerprint

reports. Right now, we're a little bit behind because

of the increase to the actual fingerprint cards that got

sent to us. You know, a lot of out-of-state folks

registered. So that kind of -- the cards, I guess, take

longer to process through the FBI repository. So that's

why we have quite a few pending.

The withdrawals, that was either they're

missing information, not following up with the

investigators. So those applications have been

withdrawn.

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received a few. Most of them came in under one

particular case that we've had going. It's for a claim

they're not paying their staff properly. That then went

into an unlicensed activity and, also, a multiagency

collaboration to get the fines to that company.

And three of them, unlicensed, they came from

Las Vegas Metro, licensees reporting stuff, and work

cards.

And then we had a complaint in regards to a

work card holder. A bail bond agent had reached out to

tell us the complaint that was coming. And that was

taken care of internally.

We had a couple that we referred to Las Vegas

Metro. And we had two unlicensed PIs, that those cases

were unfounded. And one unlicensed turned into a PPO

going for licensure probably in March.

Some violations were for some license holders.

Let's see. Not properly displaying on the roster, even

after we've given time to get everything right. And we

do make ourselves available to help, help folks if you

have any trouble with your bulleting. We issued out

$1,100 in citations for violations for that. We

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pending.

License number not properly displayed, we've

issued out $500 in violations, and we're still waiting

to collect on that.

Working without a firearm requalifications,

that's kind of a bigger one. We have $500 outstanding

in regards to that.

Then the unlicensed activity, we had 13. We

had six of them reported by nightclubs, two reported by

licensees, one through a licensee background meeting.

One came in through a phone complaint, two by Las Vegas

Metro. And one was an on-site where we uncovered a

company that was doing security consulting. Four of

them right now are in payment plans or have made

complete payments. And we have $35,000 still pending.

Most of them, we're in talks with, hoping to get them

into either, A, get on a payment plan with us or, B, go

before the Board and get licensed here in the future.

And that's it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Vinny, I've got a

couple questions. Remind me. What does PPO stand for?

MR. SALADINO: Private patrol officer.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And then,

secondly, the security consultant, that issue, what type

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name of the business. But that's a different issue.

I'm just curious.

MR. SALADINO: It was a Fortune 500 company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. Here

locally?

MR. SALADINO: Here locally, yes.


MR. SALADINO: At one of the bigger expos.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Gotcha. All

right. Thank you.

Any other questions from the Board?

As always, thank you.

All right. I'll call for review and approve of

the transcripts from September 11th, 2019. For possible

action.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I didn't like some of

the...

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can amend

them if you don't like them. You didn't like them, or

you didn't have the truth? There's a difference.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I'll -- are you

taking a motion?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm taking

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motion to approve.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We have a

motion. Is there a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we have a

second. All those in favor, say "aye."

(Board members said "aye.")

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any

opposed?

Motion carried. The transcript's accepted.

Mr. Detmer, can you swear in all the witnesses

for today, please?

MR. INGRAM: So anyone that may be testifying

today or answering questions of the Board, please stand

and raise your right hand.

MR. DETMER: Do you hereby swear or affirm to

tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth?

(All applicants and potential witnesses present

sworn/affirmed.)

MR. DETMER: Thank you. And just as a

reminder, if and when you come up and testify, please

state for the record that you are aware that you are

under oath.

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proceed. Item next, a request for exemption. Seth

Schrenzel of High Rock Security, Inc., license number

2635, is asking for the Board to grant an exemption as

outlined in the NAC 648.338. Mr. Schrenzel is

requesting that the Board allow them to hire John Craig,

an active out-of-state peace officer, for the annual

Burning Man event to be held in northern Nevada

August 20, 2020 through September 7, 2020.

Is Mr. Schrenzel here or up north?

MR. SCHRENZEL: I am, and I am aware I'm under

oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh. I'm sorry.

Okay. Tell us what you're doing and why you

want to do it this way.

MR. SCHRENZEL: Sure. So John Craig is a

college friend of mine who went on to become a federal

law enforcement officer, is currently the lead law

enforcement officer at the Shenandoah National Park in

Virginia, working for the National Park Service. He has

a long history with me. I've known him for about 15

years. I officiated his wedding for him.

I am the -- we have the contract for private

security for the annual Burning Man event. And I wanted

him to work with us last year, but because of his

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petitioning the Board to allow him to work in the state

of Nevada as an out-of-state federal law enforcement

officer. He has no other law enforcement interests in

the state of Nevada.

So I'd like the Board to be able to grant him a

work card.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What exactly will

he be doing for your company at the event?

MR. SCHRENZEL: He'll be a standard unarmed

security guard performing standard security guard

duties.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And does

his supervisor or the -- and/or the park superintendent

know that he's applying for this, and has permission?

MR. SCHRENZEL: They do know. There's a formal

permission process that he's been through with the

Shenandoah National Park, and his supervisors have

granted him permission to work this event.


questions from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. Do we have

the documentation on that, that he's been granted?

Because we've requested that prior, with other

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provide it for you, and maybe get approval contingent

upon receiving that document.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good with that.

Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Anybody else?

Kevin, do you want to say something?

MR. INGRAM: Yes. So you mentioned that the

duties he's going to be performing are going to be

standard security officer duties. Traditionally, the

Board only grants an exemption if there is a subject

matter expert as to a certain field that's going to be

utilized in this state. They don't traditionally grant

approval for somebody that's providing standard duties.

Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

MR. SCHRENZEL: Certainly. So his primary

responsibility will be on duty, on shift as one of the

few security guards that we have at this very limited

contract. In addition, though, his background as a

federal law enforcement officer is valuable to me and my

team. Because, as I'm sure you're aware, the Burning

Man event deals with the Bureau of Land Management law

enforcement agencies. And having somebody on my team

that I can ask questions of and can provide a federal

law enforcement perspective is a valuable asset to my

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responsibility, it is the reason that I've decided to

come ask you today to allow him to work on this contract

with me.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any public

comment?

Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm going to make a

motion. I'll make a motion to approve Seth Schrenzel.

It is slightly out of the ordinary, but I understand

your predicament. All right. But with the contingency,

to approve. Seth Schrenzel of High Rock Security,

license number 2635, is asking the Board to grant an

exemption as outlined in NAC 648.338. Mr. Schrenzel is

requesting that the Board allow them to hire John Craig,

an active out-of-state peace officer, for the annual

Burning Man event held in northern Nevada August 30

through September 7, 2020, but on the contingency that

Mr. Schrenzel -- I'm sorry for -- my name is the same

way, so -- provide documentation from Mr. Craig's now

employer that he can work this event.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I

have a motion. Do I have a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.

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favor, say "aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?

The motion carries. Okay. You just need to

get that documentation to the investigator that's on the

case or Director Ingram.

MR. SCHRENZEL: Will do. Thank you. I

appreciate your time.


luck to you.

All right. Next, I'm going to call for a block

vote. These are just corporate name changes, change in

corporate officers, change in qualifying agents, things

of that nature. All of them have already been through

background investigations. And the vote I'll be calling

for is items numbers 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 17, 18,

19, 21, 22, 23 and 24.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Chairman, I asked

you to pull item 11. But you could put it back on. And

that's a block vote, too.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We

will add number 11.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion to

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a motion

and a second for approval. Okay. Any public comment on

the block vote, either here or up north?

All right. All those in favor, say "aye."



The motion carries.

All right. If you were amongst those numbers,

you are free to go. Congratulations on the changes of

your ownership or status of your companies. And if you

want to sit here and listen to us the rest of the day,

you're more than welcome to, also.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN IN LAS VEGAS: And you

included number 11?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We ended up

adding number 11. But at first, we didn't. But number

11 is good to go. Congratulations.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You can stay if you

want.


Number 13, Rancho Security Services, LLC, license number

875, is seeking member status approval for Zlata

Zujic -- and I apologize if I have trouble with these

names, and you can correct me when you come up -- and

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regulatory requirements. For possible action.

So are either of those people in the room? And

if so, please come to the front.

Good morning.

MS. ZUJIC: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. If

you could identify who you are. And are you with her,

sir?

MS. ZUJIC: Yes.

MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who

you guys are and what we're doing here today.

MS. ZUJIC: Yes. My name is Zlata Zujic. And

we bought Rancho Security a year ago. And we just want

to expand it so we can do the, you know, security

services.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What did you do

prior? Hold on one second.

(There was a moment off the record.)

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just respond to

the question. What were you guys doing before this

business?

MS. ZUJIC: Oh, I have a lot of experience in

home care. And I also have a lot of experience in

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and sell and develop them. I also have a law degree.

So I have a lot of legal experience. I don't practice.

But I do. So that's my background.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sir?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You are?

MR. STOJANOVIC: Oh, my name is Nenad

Stojanovic.


MR. STOJANOVIC: I'm from Europe, but I moved

here around six years ago, so.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What have you

been doing for employment for the last six years?

(There was a moment off the record.)

MR. STOJANOVIC: So my name is Nenad

Stojanovic. So I'm coming from Europe. I was doing,

for the last six years, I was in trucking business, so.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Trucking?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.

Tell us about your DUI that's pending.

MR. STOJANOVIC: Okay. I got, yeah. That was

in California. It was last year.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's why I'm

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What happened?

MR. STOJANOVIC: Well, I hurt my leg and

playing soccer here in Las Vegas. And I went there for

therapy. And my friend was nuts to go out for a drink.

You know, and I was there with my cousin. We just

decided, because of him, he insists to go out, we went

to Hollywood. That was second time I was there. And I

decided to show him one of the -- the bar. Which the

name is Danny Trejo. That's one of the Hollywood

actors. And they were closing. And they were closing

probably around 11:30. And when we went inside, they

said, "We are about to close." And we already paid for

parking out there, like $15 or $20. And my cousin said,

"Let's go to the bar close there."

And usually I do not drink. And he doesn't

drink. But we just decided we can. But later, I found

out it's not regular beer, it's something they call

California beer, or something. I'm not really sure.

They sell it for business. We didn't know for the time.

And then the girl and one of my friends from

Belgrade, Serbia, I remember, when my cousin didn't do

well, she said she want to go home. I asked him if he

want to go to the hospital. He said, "No, no, I just

want to go home." And at that time, I just get in the

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was a good idea. That wasn't one of the best, the

biggest mistakes that I make. So.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have you been to

court on it yet?

MR. STOJANOVIC: Yeah, I've been.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what --

MS. ZUJIC: He's on probation for six months.

MR. STOJANOVIC: For six months.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. You're on

probation?


MS. ZUJIC: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And

do you have a driver's license? You're his mom?

MS. ZUJIC: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So do you

have a current driver's license?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I have one

question of Mr. Stojanovic.

MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It says that your

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it been unexpired since? Because you're authorized to

work in the United States until this card expires,

granted an extension. Do you have all the documentation

to show that?

MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes, I have the second new

card.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Investigator Maxwell?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir. Mr. Stojanovic --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're going to

need to speak up here.

MR. MAXWELL: Yes. Mr. Stojanovic provided

documentation.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you. I

have no further questions.



Any public comment?

All right. I'll call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: This is Gronauer. I'll

make a motion for approval for Rancho Security Services,

LLC, license number 875, seeking member status approval

for -- excuse me with the names -- Zlata Zujic and Nenad

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.

I have a second. All in favor, state "aye."



Motion carries. Congratulations.

MS. ZUJIC: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No more drinking

California beer.

MR. STOJANOVIC: I'll do my best.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 14.

Allied Private Investigations & Security Services, Inc.,

license number 2050, is seeking a corporate officer

status approval for Karl Zundel. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible

action.

Anybody here representing that?

MR. TAYLOR: I'm John Taylor.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Please come

forward, sir.

MR. TAYLOR: John Taylor, qualifying agent for

Allied Consultant Security Services, 2050.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And,

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MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us

what's going on.

MR. TAYLOR: I talked to Mr. Zundel about a

week ago, and he made me aware that this came up on his

background, the DUI. And he asked was it okay if he

didn't attend and that I inform, which I agreed to.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Did he

indicate why he couldn't attend?

MR. TAYLOR: No, he didn't.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And he's going to

be your qualifying agent for your company?

MR. TAYLOR: No. He's asked, and he's one of

the owners, and he's asked that he be put on as a

corporate officer with the other two owners.


Personally, I'm concerned he's not here.

MR. TAYLOR: M-hm (affirmative).

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Especially the

fact that there was adverse information. But we'll see

how you do. But don't take offense if we decide to

postpone this until we see him in person.

MR. TAYLOR: Understood.


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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just have a

statement. Gronauer. I have statement that if it's not

important for him to be here, it's, you know, I have a

problem with voting on this.

MR. TAYLOR: Yeah, I talked to him,

understanding I don't know what he relayed to the

investigator, whoever had that. But from my knowledge,

it was resolved. And, I guess, he didn't -- he lives in

California, so.

MR. SWARTHOUT: So I did talk to him about the

more recent DUI. He did provide documentation that he

is on probation for that. He did say it had to do with

family members that were going through medical issues

back in Florida at the time. And he did complete all

the stuff for that probation. He did not have much

information on the first DUI out of California in 2001.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So what year was

the first one?

MR. SWARTHOUT: 2001.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And the second

one?

MR. SWARTHOUT: 2017.

MR. TAYLOR: Can I add something?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.

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father. And he's not a drinker. In fact, I've been out

with him. He doesn't drink. But, I think, during that

time, he had some resent issues. He's a good guy. He's

been qualified before. He's been through background

checks. He was a prior school teacher. And he

contracted with his business in Florida with the CIA.

So he's been through extensive background checks. And

outside of that, I think, that's all squared away.


questions?

Any public comment?

All right. Call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: One more question. He has

completed all the stuff since his last DUI?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm going to make a

motion for denial, or if he wishes to postpone it, with

their information. Allied Private Investigation &

Security Services, Incorporated, license number 2050,

seeking corporate officer approval for Karl Zundel.


requirements.

MR. DETMER: You have to state the reason.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just don't see how we

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MR. TAYLOR: That's important to him. And

that's why he contacted me. But I agree.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I agree. Sir,

it's not your time. You guys are talking. We're going

through a motion right now. Thank you.

All right. So just for clarification, the

motion is for -- the motion is for --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Postponement.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- for

postponement with their consent.

All right. So what happens, sir, is if you

don't consent to the postponement, then the only option

we have is either approval or denial. If you consent to

the postponement, we'll put this on the next agenda.

MR. TAYLOR: So are you requesting his presence

the next time?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, we would

want his presence here, based on seeing where this is

going.

I don't know. Counsel, did I describe it

adequately?

MR. DETMER: Absent, essentially, the

information, that would mean that you would have the

discretion to postpone it.

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don't need the consent?

MR. DETMER: That's my knowledge or

understanding.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's my motion.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I made the motion.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The motion is to

postpone. Do I have a second?



have a second. All those in favor, state "aye."



Okay. We will put this on the next agenda.

MR. TAYLOR: And just for the record, I do

agree to that, no problem, to what is necessary.


MS. KLEMME: Excuse me. Excuse me. Hello?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes?

MS. KLEMME: Can we take about a 10-minute

break? We're having voice delay issues. And IT can

reset the video. It'll take about 10 minutes, if we

could do that.

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have a choice. So the answer's yes.

MS. KLEMME: Okay. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We're

on a 10-minute break.

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(A break was taken, 9:37 to 9:56 a.m.)

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continuing the Private Investigator Licensing Board

meeting for December 10th.

We'll call item number 20. DJ Boss Associates

is applying for a new corporate private investigator

license. If approved, Derk J. Boss, Jr., license number

1476, is requesting that his individual license be kept

in abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.

Member to be approved is Derk J. Boss, Jr. This is

subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.

For possible action.

I'm assuming you're Mr. Boss?

MR. BOSS: Good morning. I am Derk Boss. I am

aware I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If I could state that

the people in the audience, when I went out to -- in the

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hear us. So everybody's having a communication problem.

So all of us would have to speak up. Okay?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So they can hear what's

going on.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And this is our

first time here. Normally, we face out.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And that's why.

And now we're projecting across. So we're all getting

used to the new facility.

So, Mr. Boss, tell us why you're here and

what's going on.

MR. BOSS: Well, I'm here asking to qualify as

an agent. I'd like to form my company. And first off,

for some tax purposes, this would be a little bit better

for me.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And give us a

little background on the company.

MR. BOSS: DJ Boss Associates has been in

operation off and on since about 2007. I do primarily

consulting for casinos. And my background is gaming

surveillance and security. And I normally work with

them and provide them input on security and surveillance

that applies to the casino operations, gaming



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operations.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And then

the issue, the main reason you're before us is to

explain the two different bankruptcies. One was quite

some time ago, and the other one was about four years

ago.

MR. BOSS: Actually, I've only been in one

bankruptcy.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, we've got one

that was filed in December of -- I mean February 2011.

MR. BOSS: M-hm (affirmative).

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, it was

together.

MR. BOSS: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My apologies.

MR. BOSS: That's okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It was the same

one, sir. My apologies. That's on me.

MR. BOSS: No worries. And so about -- I'm

sorry. So I started my business in 2008. And as we all

know, 2008 is when everything went to heck in Las Vegas.

I had just left my job as vice president over at the

local properties and for the prime purpose of starting

this business. And, of course, it was based on training

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interested at that point.

So I went through my 401(k), trying to, you

know, keep things up and support my family. You know,

at the end of the year, year and a half of trying, you

know, I'd spent all of my money. I couldn't do it. Our

homes were struggling. So I had to go back to work.

But it wasn't in time. I had to go back to work out of

state to, you know, make it up. And so I, you know,

filed the bankruptcy. And I, you know, filed one where

I had to pay the debt that I had and reduce it, but I

would have had to pay a lot, and they discharged it.

And so here I am today, you know. I had a

couple taxes, too, mostly of my own fault. You know, I

had planned to work to keep my company going, keep it

afloat. And I expected that our -- the taxes that were

withheld from my wife's and mine's salaries would cover

the taxes of what I made. Because I wasn't making very

much out of the PI business. And but that, it was good

and not good, good and bad. Because I did start getting

business. And so at the end of the year, I got myself

caught, you know, with not being able to fund the taxes

like I should have done.

So I had to learn my lesson and had to -- now I

pay it properly, and I'm on a payment plan and have been

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intend to go there again.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Zach, anything to add?

MR. SWARTHOUT: No, sir.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, Mr. Boss. It's

Boss?

MR. BOSS: That's it. No pun intended.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Our investigation was

done by our investigator. October 10th is the report,

October 10th, 2019. Okay?

MR. BOSS: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And it says you're on a

payment plan.

MR. BOSS: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just asked that

question. I don't have to ask you. I'll ask our

investigator. Do we follow up with that, like every

license that -- or we approve something, do we follow up

that he's following all the payment plans?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Most of the time, they keep

providing us info to keep it up. I myself haven't had

anybody that had this issue. I assume we would keep it

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else.

MR. BOSS: I can certainly provide that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, you know, that's

fine. I'm just, I'm just trying, for my own knowledge

here right now. Well, you provided those documents.

And those documents that you provided in October,

October 10th, were all the things on October 10th?

MR. BOSS: Correct.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And then it

goes; how long does this stay for, how long?

MR. BOSS: It's, I think, it's like five years

that I have to pay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Five more years?

MR. BOSS: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.

MR. BOSS: Hopefully, sooner than that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you.

That's all I have.

MR. BOSS: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. If no

other questions, any public comment?

Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make it.

Gronauer. I'll make the motion to approved DJ Boss

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investigator license. If approved, Derk J. Boss, Jr.,

license number 1476, is requesting that his individual

license be kept in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Member to be approved is Derk J.

Boss, Jr. This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements.



have a motion. I have a second. Any further

discussion?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those

in favor, state "aye."



Motion carries. Congratulations. Good luck to

you.

MR. BOSS: My thanks to the Board. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank

you, sir.

All right. Number 25. Private Eyes Screening

Group Incorporated is applying for a new corporate

private investigator license. Sandra L. James is

applying for an individual private investigator license.

If approved, she is requesting that her individual

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the qualifying agent. Corporate officer to be approved

is Sandra L. James. This is subject to all statutory

and regulatory requirements. For the possible action.

Good morning, Ms. James.

MS. JAMES: Good morning. I'm Sandra James.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you're aware

you're under oath?

MS. JAMES: Yes, I'm aware I'm under oath.


why you're here and what you're doing.

MS. JAMES: I have owned a Private Eyes Inc. in

California for the last 20 years. And so, a year ago, I

started Private Eyes Screening Group in Nevada to move,

to hire more people in Nevada, to move out my corporate

office out of California. I still have Private Eyes

Inc. in California. But I would like to move to Nevada,

as it's a more business-friendly state, and hire more

people here.

And Private Eyes is background screening,

employment, preimposed employment screening.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I also --

and the investigator on this is?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Investigator Swarthout.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Wow, you are busy

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an outstanding citation for unlicensed activity?

MR. SWARTHOUT: It has been dealt with and paid

for.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well,

then, why don't you tell us about the background there

on that.

MR. SWARTHOUT: So it was dealing with the

office and advertising certain services in California.


need to speak up, because I'm having trouble hearing

you.

MR. SWARTHOUT: Okay. So it was dealing with

the office out here. It's in the state. Some of the

services are stuff that is deemed to be not public

record and that out here, which would require them to be

licensed to advertise those services out here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So if I

understand you correctly, they were advertising to do

services that are covered under approval of license?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But we don't know

whether they did those services or not, they were cited

for the advertisement of it?


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do you want to respond to that just for our edification?

MS. JAMES: Sure. Last year, I bought a

building in Reno, Nevada to -- and so this year, we had

to build out the building, and we started to. And I

have another business here called 4506Transcripts.com.

And with that business, we have had that business in

Nevada for some time. And we verify people's income

with the IRS by getting the tax transcripts.

So when we got the building complete this year,

we moved into it. And I did advertise on my website the

new address that we have, the Reno location. And so

it's Private Eyes Inc. and Private Eyes Screening. So

on our website we added Private Eyes Screening Group to

it, and we have the -- had the Reno address. And when I

was requested to remove it, I did so the same day.

We're not, we were not actually conducting any

investigations in Nevada at this time. But I do have

staff that I'm paying for 4506 for insurance purposes,

for health insurance. I am paying that staff for 4506

now through Private Eyes Screening Group.

So I am a hundred percent owner of all three

entities.


MS. JAMES: So I did pay the citation and

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you.

All right. My questions are answered. Any

other questions of the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have one question for

the investigator. Through your investigative prowess,

was there a way to find out about how long this was

being advertised? I mean you found out one time. But

the time period, back in time?

MR. SWARTHOUT: There was not.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How did you figure it

out?

MS. JAMES: I can respond to that.

MR. SWARTHOUT: A post.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: They did post

something? All right. Hold on. If they did posting,

I'm just trying to figure out if they did posting.

MR. SWARTHOUT: It was through the website and

social media. I tried going back to see if I could see

that there was date stamps on that, and I could not find

date stamps for any updates.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Ms. James, go

ahead, respond, please.

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we moved into the building in Reno is when we added the

address to our website. That's when we added our Reno

address to social media, was in June of this year.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And a

citation was issued?

MR. SWARTHOUT: October 30th.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So depending on

the date, either three or four months.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're good?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have nothing.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tammy?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'm good. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any

public comment?

All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a

motion.

Call for a motion for the second time.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll make a motion.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we approve

Private Eyes Screening Group Inc. for a new corporate

private investigator license. Sandra L. James is

applying for an individual private investigator license.

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license be placed in abeyance so that she may become the

qualifying agent. Corporate officer to be approved is

Sandra L. James. Subject to all statutory and




So we can move this forward and at least have

some discussion on the vote, I will second this.

Any public comment?

Any comment from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. Gronauer. I

have a problem with it, only because Ms. James has been

in business a long time in California, for quite a

period of time, and she'd be, I would consider her to be

familiar with the laws and our statutes here for private

investigators licenses. And I'm just, I'm disturbed by

that she was doing -- she opened an office, she did

everything back in June, at least, of 2019, and didn't

do anything until an investigation was started. And it

just, it just bothers me, that's all, that they were

operating without a license for that long period.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, this is Ray

Flynn, for the record.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's my assessment.

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I heard something slightly different. And I'm going to

look to the investigator to figure out which way we're

going on this. I heard that she had been doing work in

Nevada that wasn't under the purview of a license. And

she had opened up a new building in Nevada for her

business. That her website, that is both in California

and here, she added the address to her website of the

security licensing that she's doing in California. It

was the issue of the address for advertising business.

Although we have no documentation to prove the

allegation that she was doing unlicensed activity in the

state of Nevada. Is that correct?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All is we have is

that she advertised?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And she explained

that she advertised because they added the address of

her brand-new building to her website?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That's why

I don't have an issue. It was brought to her attention.

She probably paid the fine. She probably, well, applied

for licensing. She probably took down the

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trying to circumvent the system.

So without anything said, I'll call for a vote.

All those in favor, say "aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Those opposed?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion

carries on a two-to-one vote. Congratulations,

Ms. James.

MS. JAMES: Thank you very much. Have a great

day.


Number 26, Zachary -- I'm going to try this, Daigle --

Daigle is applying for an individual private

investigator license. If approved, he is requesting

that his individual license be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the qualifying agent for PreCheck,

Incorporated, license number 1618. Corporate officers

to be approved are Bruce E. Berger, Michael J. Kucza and

James C. Owens. This is subject to all statutory and


And you are, sir?

MR. DAIGLE: I'm Zachary Daigle.


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MR. DAIGLE: I understand I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Bring us

up-to-date. Why are you here?

MR. DAIGLE: So I've been with PreCheck about

16 years now. The company was recently sold to the

original founder, Barbara C. Sardon, who was the

qualifying agent previously, is no longer with the

company. And so I was corporate officer before for

PreCheck. And today I'm asking for approval to get my

private investigator license and ask that it can be

placed into abeyance for PreCheck.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There's three people on

this. This is Gronauer. There's three people on this

application. Are the other two people coming in for

licensing?

MR. DAIGLE: So it was my understanding that

today's agenda item was only for me. So they -- no

additional members. I think, they felt the process

would follow for them.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No problem.

MR. DAIGLE: Contingent on my process.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you.

MR. DAIGLE: Yes, sir.



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public comment?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'll make a

motion to approve. Zachary Daigle is applying for an

individual private investigator license. If approved,

he is requesting that his individual license be placed

into abeyance so that he can become the qualifying agent

for PreCheck, Incorporated, license number 1618.

Corporate officers to be approved are Bruce E. Berger,

Michael J. Kucza and James C. Owen. This is subject to



Do I have a second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any further

discussion?





Motion carries. Congratulations.

MR. DAIGLE: Thank you very much for your time.


Number 27. Geoffrey Hazard is applying for an



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individual private investigator's license. This is



Mr. Hazard, are you here?

MR. HAZARD: Yes. Good morning. I'm Geoffrey

Hazard, and I'm aware that I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh. Thank you.

Good morning. All right. Tell us about your business

and what you want to do.

MR. HAZARD: Sure. My company is a fire

investigation company based in California. We've been

around since 1977. I'm one of the managing partners.

And up until recently, we had an employee that lived in

Reno, who was a licensed private investigator, who had

been performing our fire investigation work in the state

of Nevada. He left the company over the summer to start

his own company. So that created a void in our ability

to do services here in the state. And so the board of

my company asked me to obtain a private investigation

license so that we could fill that void and continue

doing work in the state.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. How

do you pronounce our state's name?

MR. HAZARD: I'm sorry?

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our state?

MR. HAZARD: "Neh-vah-dah."


It's "Neh-vad-ah."

MR. HAZARD: It's "Neh-vad-ah." I'm sorry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: If you're going

to be licensed, no problem, I just want to point it out

if you're going to be licensed here.

MR. HAZARD: Thank you.


I have no other questions. Any questions from the

Board?

Call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we approve

Geoffrey Hazard for his individual private

investigator's license. This is subject to all


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have

a second?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.


comment?

All right. Seeing none, I have a motion and a

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Okay. Mr. Hazard, congratulations. You have a

license in the state of Nevada.

MR. HAZARD: "Neh-vaud-ah." Thank you.

"Neh-vad-ah." I'll get it, I promise. Thank you, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Have a

good day.

MR. HAZARD: Thank you. You, too.


Pharaohs, LLC is applying for a new corporate private

patrolman license. Mina G. Boules is applying for an

individual private patrolman license. If approved, he

is requesting that his individual license be placed into

abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.

Member to be approved is Mina G. Boules. This is



Good morning, Mr. Boules.

MR. BOULES: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware

you're under oath?

MR. BOULES: Yes.


you're under oath?

MR. BOULES: I'm aware of that.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So tell us

about your company.

MR. BOULES: So I experience, and I have a law

degree. So I have experience in law and security

industry. So I have decided to start off my own

security company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you worked for

other security companies before?

MR. BOULES: I worked for many.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Many?

MR. BOULES: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any questions

from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Are you currently working

in Nevada?

MR. BOULES: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Boules, do you

currently have a work card?

MR. BOULES: No. Because I can't hire anyone

until, like I said, we first start out the company.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, no, do you have a

work card to work for all these security companies as a

security officer? They're all in California, none in

Nevada?

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MR. SWARTHOUT: Board Member Gronauer, he does

have an active work card in the state of the Nevada.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. We just have a

communication problem, then. Thank you. I appreciate

that. I'm good.


other questions from the Board?

Okay. Seeing none, any public comment?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. I mean I'll

call for a motion. My apologies.

MR. BOULES: The company name is Pharaoh

Security Services, not Pharaoh, LLC. That's the

corporate name, Pharaoh, LLC. Oh, okay.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Pharaohs, LLC, who is

applying for a new corporate private patrolman license,

Mina G. --

MR. BOULES: Boules ("Bohls").

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Boules is applying for

an individual private patrolman license. If approved,

he is requesting that his individual license be placed

in abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll second.


Motion and second. Any further discussion?

All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.

All those in favor, state "aye."



All right. Congratulations.

MR. BOULES: Thank you for your time.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Number 29.

Apex Security Group, Incorporated is applying for a new

corporate private patrolman license. Robert G. Brockway

is applying for an individual private patrolman license.

If approved, he is requesting that his individual

license be placed into abeyance so that he may become

the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to be approved

are Robert G. Brockway and Paul S. Erickson. This is



Good morning. And you are?

MR. BROCKWAY: I'm Robert G. Brockway, and I

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enough. Thank you. All right. Tell us what you want

to do.

MR. BROCKWAY: Apex, their license, and we

operate out of the state of California, are licensed in

other states also, for the past 20 years. And our main

clients are with the NFL, NBA and the major league

soccer. And I'd like to be able to get my license here

to continue working with the NFL.



BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll make a motion. I

move that we approve Apex Security Group, Inc., who is

applying for a new corporate private patrolman license.

Robert G. Brockway is applying for an individual private

patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that

his individual license be placed in abeyance so that he

may become the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to

be approved are Robert G. Brockway and Paul Erickson.


requirements.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a

motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.


discussion?



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Seeing none, all those in favor, say "aye."



Congratulations.

MR. BROCKWAY: Thank you very much.


Resolve Assurance LLC is applying for a new corporate

patrolman license. Timothy A. Cook is applying for an

individual private patrolman license. If approved, he's

requesting that his individual license be placed into


Members to be approved are Timothy A. Cook and Tucker L.

Stokely. This is subject to all statutory and


Good morning, sir. And you are?

MR. COOK: I'm Timothy Cook, sir. I'm aware

I'm under oath.


Tell us about your company and what you want to do.

MR. COOK: The company was established in 2019,

the business. I want to, basically, establish myself

and my partner as the qualifying agents for the company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And your

background?

MR. COOK: I'm currently an executive in the



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hotel-casino industry. Prior to that, 24 years in the

Air Force.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you for

your service.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's the Air Force.

MR. COOK: Also, my partner is an ex-Marine

Beret. It's the Army.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I got to deal

with this.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you a Marine? I

don't think...


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. A

little punchy today. It's the holiday season.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And he's hungry.



Seeing none, any public comment?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move to

approve Resolve Assurance LLC, who is applying for a new

corporate private patrolman license. Timothy A. Cook is

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license be placed in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Members to be approved are Timothy A.

Cook and Tucker L. Stokely. This would be subject to



motion. Do I have a second?



discussion?




Okay. The motion carried. Congratulations,

sir.

MR. COOK: Thank you very much.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And thank you for your

service.

MR. COOK: Thank you, sir.


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the qualifying agent. Members to be approved are





MR. FACCHINI: Paschal Facchini.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So I got it

right?

MR. FACCHINI: It's close.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Close. All

right. Tell us about your company and what you want to

do.

MR. FACCHINI: So Contingency Concepts is with

my son Peter. And we're looking to establish security

services within the Las Vegas area. I've actually

pulled out of retirement to hold this license because of

my law enforcement background as well as spending 18

years in contract work in security.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And where were

you in law enforcement, sir?

MR. FACCHINI: I was with the Port Authority of

New York and New Jersey.

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All right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I have a

question. Gronauer. What position does Brett Krueger

have in the company?

MR. FACCHINI: He's the operations manager. My

son Peter as well as Brett are both retired military,

special operations command. And they export an interest

in utilizing individuals from that part of the service

to provide service in this area, security in this area.

And that's how we came upon finding an interest in those

services.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Krueger's not here.

I had some concern with some of his arrest records. And

I don't know if our Investigator Maxwell, if you can

elaborate on this.

MR. MAXWELL: Just that the applicant, he

listed five arrests. And once we got the fingerprints

back, the fingerprints only showed two arrests. Both of

these were in 2003. One was a failure to appear, a

misdemeanor. There was a warrant achieved, but that was

taken care of. And then the other one was a minor in

possession of alcohol and crimes against person, a

misdemeanor, no disposition on the fingerprint report.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Minor in possession, so

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MR. MAXWELL: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. So there's time

and distance here. I was just trying to figure out.

Okay. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But just for the

record, neither was a felony, and neither involved a

weapon?

MR. MAXWELL: No, sir. Correct.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And there's going to be an

office here?

MR. FACCHINI: Yes, we will establish an office

here, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other

questions?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What year did you

graduate John J.?

MR. FACCHINI: Actually, 1997. So it will be

20 years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. I

graduated John J., also.

Any public comment?



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corporate private patrolman license. Paschal Facchini








MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record. I'm

sorry. Board Member Gronauer, that was a motion to

approve; is that correct?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I said it in the

beginning, yes, sir.

MR. DETMER: I missed it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Young years, I know.





further discussion?

All right. All those in favor, state "aye."

(Board members aid "aye.")


The motion carried. Congratulations, sir.

MR. FACCHINI: Thank you for your time.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have a good

day.

Okay. Number 32, Victor M. Garcia, applying

for an individual private patrolman license. If

approved, he is requesting that his individual license

be placed into abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent for Thomas Protective Services, Inc.,

license number 1309. This is subject to all statutory

and regulatory requirements. For possible action.

Good morning, sir. You are?

MR. GARCIA: I'm Victor Garcia.


you're under oath, sir?

MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell

us about the business and what you want to do.

MR. GARCIA: Basically, we want to expand our

business within the state. I have been hired by a

company that's from Texas and chosen to be a qualifying

agent. And we want to expand our business here in the

state of Nevada. I've been chosen to be the qualifying

agent. That's why I'm here.


you.

Any questions of the Board?



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a question.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'll beat you to

it.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: There's one

arrest in your record.

MR. GARCIA: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you want to

talk about that?

MR. GARCIA: Sure.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It happened back when I

was 19, young and, obviously, immature. My wife and I

were just having a discussion. The neighbor called the

cops. The cops showed up. They assumed that I had

physically harmed my wife. I was detained for the rest

of that day. Once the misunderstanding was verified, I

was let go. I wasn't charged with a misdemeanor or

felony or anything like that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The investigator

on this is?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Investigator Swarthout.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. The

applicant is saying he was detained. The report says he

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issue. But what do you know about the issue, the

incident?

MR. SWARTHOUT: It was on the fingerprint, so I

believe that he would have been taken in and booked.

But that's all it gives me.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. There was

no -- and that was 10 years ago, correct?

MR. GARCIA: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have nothing

else since?

MR. GARCIA: And they chose not to prosecute.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: They chose not to

prosecute. Okay. Are you still married to the same

woman?

MR. GARCIA: Oh, yeah.


don't have any other questions.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I need to. Any

public comment?

Okay. I don't want to be in the papers.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. I'll make a motion.

Victor M. Garcia is applying for an individual patrolman

license. I move we approve his request and that we

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may become the qualifying agent for Thomas Protective

Services, Inc., license number 1309. This is subject to




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second it.


further discussion?




The motion carries. Congratulations.

MR. GARCIA: Thank you very much. Have a good

day.


Number 33. Chaos Security, LLC is applying for a new

corporate private patrolman license. William D. Ledford


If approved, he is requesting that the individual



William D. Ledford and Stephen W. Kenny. This is



Who do we got?



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MR. LEDFORD: I'm William D. Ledford, and I am

aware I'm under oath.

MR. KENNY: Stephen Kenny. I'm aware I'm under

oath as well.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I got to ask this

question. You know I'm going to ask this. Who came up

with this name, and why?

MR. KENNY: That was me.


Explain why anyone would hire a company called Chaos.

MR. KENNY: Yeah. So it's actually a -- it's

the same name, that I have a few other companies that

are named the same, Chaos and whatever the industry it

is. And so, at the end of the day, I was just more

focused on getting to the next step as in a security

company instead of thinking about the names and whatnot.

And so I stuck with what was comfortable with me, and I

stuck with that name.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, well, that

actually makes sense when you said you've got other

companies. And what businesses are the other companies?

MR. KENNY: Mortgage banking and real estate.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What type of

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What type of security do you want to do?

MR. KENNY: We want to do, we want to work with

companies, like my companies that I have. You know,

certainly, the concept was the office that I work out

of, it's -- now it's downtown Las Vegas, which is a

little bit of a -- it's a nice area, but it's a little

bit rough there. So we want to have, you know,

full-time security. And my mother's businesses are

similar, and it would need that type of service. So by

being able to handle that in the companies that I

already have a -- that I already have ownership over,

kind of get our guys trained on, hope to be able to

offer those services to our people. And it's a way to

build our security company while I was being able to

train, train our people, you know, with using the

company that I already have.


understand correctly, you want to do your own in-house

security?

MR. KENNY: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You'd want the

license so that after you get your in-house security up

and running, then you can also contract outside?

MR. KENNY: Exactly, yes.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion to

approve. Gronauer. I'll make a motion to approve.

Chaos Security, LLC, is applying for a new corporate

private patrolman license. William D. Ledford is


If approved, he's requesting that his individual license

be placed into abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Members to be approved are William D.

Ledford and Stephen W. Kenny. This is subject to all



a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second. You'll do the

public?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'll do that

every time.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So it just flows

better in the transcript. All right. I have a motion.

I have a second. But I will call for any public

comment.

Seeing none, is there any other, further

discussion on the motion?



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(Board members aid "aye.")


All right. Motion carried. Congratulations,

gentlemen.

MR. LEDFORD: Thank you.

MR. KENNY: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you

guys. Have a good one.

All right. Number 34. Arne Ogaard is applying

for an individual private patrolman license. If

approved, he's requesting that his individual license be


qualifying agent for Five Diamond Screening, LLC,



Good morning.

MR. OGAARD: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What's your name?

MR. OGAARD: Arne Ogaard.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Are

you aware you're under oath, sir?

MR. OGAARD: Yes, sir.

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wearing?

MR. OGAARD: LAPD.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Retired out of

there?

MR. OGAARD: I'm sorry?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Did you retire?

MR. OGAARD: I did, but not from LAPD. I was

on LAPD. And after LAPD, I retired, honorably retired.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, just retirement.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well,

thank you for your service. All right. So tell us why

you're here and what you want to do with this company.

MR. OGAARD: Well, I'm a licensed private

investigator in California.


need to speak up.

MR. OGAARD: Okay. I'm sorry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: For not only us,

but the lady up north.

MR. OGAARD: Yes. I'm a licensed private

investigator for the state of California and Nevada.

And I'm mostly in California. Two and a half years ago,

I moved here. And our company, Five Diamond Screening,

wants to get into the hospitality industry. They have

been asked to go ahead and provide security for certain



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locations. And so I want to go ahead and get licensed

for the private patrol. I have been a private patrol

operator in California for a number of years; I think,

17, from 1983 through 1999.


I don't have any questions. Anybody else?

Okay. Any public comment?


How would you like to us pronounce your last

name?

MR. OGAARD: "Oh-gard."

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Ogaard. This is Nixon. I

make a motion that Arne Ogaard, who is applying for a

private patrol license, be approved. He is requesting


that he may become the qualifying agent for Five Diamond

Screening, LLC, license number 2787. This would be






further discussion?





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MR. OGAARD: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.

MR. OGAARD: Thank you.


Number 35. SRS Protection, Incorporated is applying for

a new corporate private patrolman license. James A.

Rita is applying for an individual private patrolman


individual license be placed into abeyance so that he


be approved are James A. Rita and Robin A. Neubert.


requirements. For possible action.

Good morning to you.

MR. RITA: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are?

MR. RITA: James A. Rita, and I understand I'm

under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good enough.

Tell us what you're here for and what you want to do

with this company.

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State of California for several years. We're also

licensed in other states as well. We feel that Nevada

would be a good fit to expand our company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what type of

security do you guys do?

MR. RITA: We do a lot of executive protection,

workplace violence, kind of hiring stuff.


MR. RITA: We recently -- I also want to bring

out that we were recently approved for the GSA federal

security contract here as well.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: None.


public comment?


motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Nixon. I move that SRS

Protection, Inc. be approved for a new corporate private

patrolman license. James A. Rita is applying for an




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Robert, or I'm sorry, Robin A. Neubert. This is subject


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I got a




further discussion?

Seeing none, call for a vote. All those in

favor, say "aye."



The motion carries. Congratulations to you,

sir.

MR. RITA: Thank you. Have a good day.


The Stonewall Viper Group, Incorporated, dba as

The Company, is applying for a new corporate private

patrolman license. Gregory S. Rodriguez is applying for

an individual private patrolman license. If approved,

he's requesting that his individual license be placed

into abeyance so that he may become the qualifying

agent. Corporate officers to be approved are Gregory S.

Rodriguez and David S. Chandler. This is subject to all


action.



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Good morning, gentlemen.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Good morning, sir.

MR. CHANDLER: Good morning, sir. My name is

David Chandler. I'm aware I'm under oath.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Last name is Rodriguez. First

name is Gregory. I'm aware I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I always

ask about development. Okay. I know that yours -- what

yours is.

And yours is?

MR. RODRIGUEZ: I'm retired LAPD, 35 years now.


you.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you.


me what you want to do.

MR. CHANDLER: We'd like to get licensed in

Nevada. We're currently licensed in California. And we

provide executive protection for Fortune 10 companies.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Fortune 10?

MR. CHANDLER: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Wow. I'm just

trying to think of something funny to come back with.

That's all it was. All right. Any other questions?

All right. Any public comment?



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Seeing none, I'll entertain -- and I'll

entertain a motion, yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move

that we approve The Stonewall Viper Group, Inc., dba,

doing business as, The Company. They are applying for a

new corporate private patrolman license. Gregory S.

Rodriguez is applying for an individual private


his individual license be placed in abeyance so that he


be approved are Gregory S. Rodriguez and David S.

Chandler. This would be subject to all statutory and



Do I have a second?



further discussion?





Seeing none, the motion carries.

Congratulations, gentlemen.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you very much. You guys



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have a great day.

MR. CHANDLER: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: When did you retire

from L.A.?

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Nine years ago. Thank you.


MR. CHANDLER: Thanks, guys.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 38. Oh,

my apologies. Number 37. Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. is




the qualifying agent for American Guard Services, Inc.,



Good morning.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Good morning, sir.


MR. RODRIGUEZ: Joe Rodriguez.


you're under oath?

MR. RODRIGUEZ: I'm aware.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell us about

your company and what you want to do.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: I come from a company in



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California. The corporate office has been based there

since '97. I moved out here to Nevada. I've been here

since March. And just trying to get my license back

here, sir.


been doing for employment since March?

MR. RODRIGUEZ: I've been working with the

Raiders, Turnberry, Kroger. These are the main

companies out here that we work with.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you have a

work card?

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. All

right. I misunderstood.

All right. Any other questions from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have a work card

for Nevada?

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. No, I'm good.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any public

comment?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion that

we approve. Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. is applying for an




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is requesting that his individual be license be placed

into abeyance so that he is may become the qualifying

agent for American Guard Services, Inc., license number

1364. This is subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.


Do I have a second?

Any further discussion? I have a motion. Oh,

I don't have a second. Do I have a second?



discussion?

Seeing none, I will call for a vote. All those




Seeing none, the motion carried.

Congratulations, sir. You have a good day.

MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, sir. Thank you.


Jason C. Sullivan, dba Tahoe Life Security. It makes

sense. Tahoe. Okay.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah, I got that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: In police work,

we call that a clue. Okay. Is applying for an



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individual private patrolman license. This is subject

to all statutory and regulatory requirements. For

possible action.

Good morning. I'm assuming -- or who are you?

MR. SULLIVAN: I'm Jason Sullivan.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. You're

aware you're under oath, sir?

MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, sir.


about your company and what you would like to do, sir.

MR. SULLIVAN: I own Tahoe Life Security in the

state of California. Currently, we're providing armed

security and unarmed security on the state line. I've

lived in Carson City for approximately a year. And I

want to branch out to Nevada.


you.

Any questions from the Board?

Okay. All right. Seeing none, any public

comment, either here or up north?

All right. I will call for a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move we

approve Jason C. Sullivan, dba Tahoe Life Security, for

his individual private patrolman license. This is




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further discussion?





Okay. The motion carries. Congratulations,

sir. Have a good day.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, sir. Have a good

one.


Number 39. Priority 1 Protective Services Nevada LLC is


Parth Thaker is applying for an individual private


his individual license be placed into abeyance so that

he may become the qualifying agent. Members to be

approved are Parth Thaker, Judy Weiser and Glen A.

Jacobsen. This is subject to all statutory and


And you are?

MR. THAKER: I'm Parth Thaker. I'm aware I'm



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under oath.

MR. JACOBSEN: I'm Glen Jacobsen. I'm aware

I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good enough.

Your lapel pin, sir, is that your company?

MR. THAKER: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. What

do you guys want to do here in Nevada?

MR. THAKER: So we are a security company based

out of New York. And we recently expanded in New Jersey

and Indiana. And now we're looking to expand in Nevada

as well, Illinois, California. So we're looking to open

a branch here. It's to provide security service in

retail and residential buildings. So I'll be the

qualifying officer for this branch.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Is your

background in security?

MR. THAKER: I have 20 years security

background and master's degree in national security.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you.

Any other questions?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you for being

here.

I'm going to go to our investigator on this one

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information that you found in your investigation report

on Mr. Jacobsen.

MR. SWARTHOUT: On the question "Have you ever

been arrested?" he did disclose, and he did provide

paperwork on it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Somewhere I must have

missed something.

MR. SWARTHOUT: It was a November 9th, 2011

arrest back in New York City for menacing in the second

degree. That was reduced down to the lesser charge of

disorderly conduct.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So it's a misdemeanor?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: 2011. When you get

arrested in New York City for pot -- I don't know what

the original charge of menacing, I don't know what that

means. Can you elaborate on that?

MR. JACOBSEN: Sure. Sure. This was when I

had taken over there. When I got there, I found some

serious misconduct going on. And I had begun the

process of suspending and terminating a subordinate

officer. And what I was charged with did not occur.

This, I believe, was done as an act of retaliation

against me as the commanding officer. And on the advice

of my attorney back at the time, he says to me, "You



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will not get a fair trial here in Bronx. They're

offering a plea to disorderly conduct, which is a lesser

charge." And I accepted it. And it was conditionally

discharged. And I'd never had anything before or after

that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Where were you a

police officer?

MR. JACOBSEN: I started in New York City in

1984. And shortly thereafter, I transferred to a job in

one of the suburbs, where I worked, and I retired as the

chief of police there in 2006.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Very good. Thank you,

Mr. Jacobsen.

MR. JACOBSEN: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. I have

nothing further.


other questions?

All right. Okay. I'm good. Any public

comment?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm make a motion to

approve Priority 1 Protective Services Nevada LLC,


Parth Thaker is applying for an individual private



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he may become the qualifying agent. Members to be

approved are Parth Thaker, Judy Weiser and Glen A.

Jacobsen. This is subject to all statutory and



Do I have a second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion

and a second. Any further discussion?





All right. The motion carries.

Congratulations.

MR. THAKER: Thank you.

MR. JACOBSEN: Thank you.


Kenneth M. VanRemortel is applying for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, he's requesting


that he may become the qualifying agent for Pinkerton

Consulting & Investigations Inc., license number 1029.



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Subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.


And you are, sir?

MR. VANREMORTEL: I am Ken VanRemortel.


you're under oath?

MR. VANREMORTEL: Yes, sir.


us about your company and what you want to do here.

MR. VANREMORTEL: I represent Securitas

Security Services. We're the parent company of

Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations. And I am wishing

to become the qualifying agent for Pinkerton in the

state of Nevada.


Quickly, your background.

MR. VANREMORTEL: I have 23 years of experience

in security, specifically in California and here in

Nevada. I've been here in Nevada five years. And the

balance of that time was back in California, the same

company, essentially for all that time.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you currently

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MR. VANREMORTEL: Yes, I am.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. For what?

MR. VANREMORTEL: I am with Securitas, and I

have a guard card. I have a guard card.


other questions?

Seeing none, any comments from the public?



that we approve Kenneth M. --

MR. VANREMORTEL: VanRemortel.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- VanRemortel -- thank

you --

MR. VANREMORTEL: You're welcome.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- for an individual

private patrolman license. If approved, he is

requesting that his individual license be placed in

abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent for

Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations Inc., license

number 1029. This is subject to all statutory and





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second. Any further discussion?




ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The motion

carries unanimously. Congratulations. It's approved.

MR. VANREMORTEL: Thank you very much.


MR. VANREMORTEL: You too. Thank you.


Jeffery W. Bruckner is applying for an individual

process server license. If approved, he is requesting


that he may become the qualifying agent for ProDox,

L.L.C., license number 1710. This is subject to all


action.

Good morning.

MR. BRUCKNER: Jeffery Bruckner, and I'm aware

I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good

enough. Tell us about your company and what you want to

do.

MR. BRUCKNER: ProDox is a document retrieval

company. We provide support to primarily insurance



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defense firms. We basically get documentation for them.

And, well, I've been with them since 2004. And I'm

trying to be the qualifying agent.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Fair

enough. Short and sweet. I don't have any questions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have no questions.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: No.


comment?



that Jeffery W. Bruckner be approved for an individual

process server license. If approved, he is requesting


that me may become the qualifying agent for ProDox,

L.L.C., license number 1710. This is subject to all






further discussion?


in favor of the motion, state "aye."




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The motion carried. Congratulations.

MR. BRUCKNER: Thank you.


MR. BRUCKNER: Have a good day. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 43,

Gene L. Jacobson, dba -- oh, no. My apologies.

Number 42. HES-Hurricane Eviction Services, LLC is

applying for a new corporate process server license.

Maria D. Buck is applying for an individual process

server license. If approved, she is requesting that her

individual license be placed into abeyance so that she

may become the qualifying agent. Member to be approved

is Maria D. Buck. This is subject to all statutory and


Good morning.

MS. BUCK: Good morning. I'm Maria Buck, and I

know I'm under oath.


you. What would you like to do with your license if we

give it to you?

MS. BUCK: Actually, I obtained a small

business for evictions in 2013. And since then, the

regulations changed. And July 1st of this year, I have

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get the license and continue my services.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I guess,

do we know about the change?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, yeah. July 1st.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just for me, so I

know in the future, what is it?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Landlords cannot, to

simplify, landlords cannot serve their own process.

They have to be served by a licensed private process

server or an attorney. And an attorney has a law degree

that says it. And if a licensed private process server

does the business, all their people that serve have to

have word cards.

MS. BUCK: Correct.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And, also, there's no

need for a certificate of mailing if a licensed process

server serves it. But it still has to be mailed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you,

Bobbie. Can I get training credit for that? That's

really good.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thanks.



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motion.


motion that HES-Hurricane Eviction Services, LLC is

applying for a new corporate process server license.

Maria D. Buck is applying for an individual process

server license. If approved, she is requesting that her

individual license be placed into abeyance so that she


is Maria D. Buck. This is subject to all statutory and





ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion and

section. Any further discussion?

All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.




All right. Congratulations.

MS. BUCK: Thank you, sir.


MS. BUCK: Merry Christmas, you all.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Merry Christmas.

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Jacobson, dba Private Investigators International is

applying for an individual process server license.

Subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.


Good morning.

MR. JACOBSON: Good morning, gentlemen, ladies.

ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: You are?

MR. JACOBSON: I'm Gene L. Jacobson.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Before we get started,

I have to make a statement. I've known Gene for a few

months. And while we're kind of friendly, we don't

really hang out together much or anything like that. I

know him, and I know about his business. And I just

wanted to put that out there. I have no problem voting.


enough.

And you're aware you're under oath, sir?

MR. JACOBSON: Pardon me, sir?


you're under oath; were you here when we gave the oath?

MR. JACOBSON: Yes.


Tell us what you want to do with your business.

MR. JACOBSON: At my age, I've done about

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not that that's important, but the fact is I've devoted

a lot of my time to volunteer my services, including

Metro. They use me, et cetera, at no charge.

I met a few gentleman from the military about a

year or two back. And after, well, they came to my

office, I sat down and I thought about, gosh, what

they're telling me was important, and it made me feel

pretty good. So what I've decided to do with the rest

of my career is to develop a business plan and program

where I can put together either brochures, or whatever,

to put together something where they can utilize it in

all these states, including the current statutes,

ordinances, et cetera, to help the veterans and help

retired law enforcement to get into this industry. Some

of them have been injured. Some of them haven't had,

you know, such a great time.

So that's basically my objective. And the

reason I'm applying for this license is this is the

third license in the group that I have. I'm already a

licensed private detective and a patrolman. And I'm

just adding this to it because I've been contacted by

several individuals who a lot of them may be in law, not

law enforcement, attorneys, saying, "Do you serve

papers?" I says, "No, I don't."

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well, and,

first, I applaud what you want to do.

All right. Any other questions?




that Gene L. Jacobson, dba, who is applying for an

individual process server license. This would be


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And on

this particular one, I'm going to second. So I got a

motion and a second. And I'll call for a vote. All

those in favor, state "aye."



Okay. With that, congratulations, sir.

MR. JACOBSON: Thank you, gentlemen and ladies.

Lady. Excuse me. Have a good day.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: You, too.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 44,

Las Vegas Residential Properties, LLC, applying for a

new corporate process server license. Jerry D. King,

Jr. is applying for an individual process server





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is -- Yaakov?

MR. KING: Very good.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you --

K. Greenspan. This is subject to all statutory and



MR. KING: Jerry Don King, Jr.


you realize you're under oath?

MR. KING: Yes, sir.


us what you want to do with this license if you get it.

MR. KING: We, Las Vegas Residential Properties

is a property management company, cell phone properties.

We have approximately, I think, at this point, 10,000

doors in Las Vegas. And as he was stating about the new

rule that came into effect in July, we are looking to

bring our service for like delivering notices,

et cetera, in-house. And this would be a big promotion

for me if I get this license. So that's what we're

doing.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're not

putting any pressure on me by saying this.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What's your

background?

MR. KING: I've been in the legal business

since 1994. I worked for a private attorney for 18

years, and which the first half of that employment I saw

his serve process, did court errands, filed paperwork

with the court, et cetera. From that point, the other

half of my service for him, I became his office manager

and basically conducted all the office administrative

duties in the office as well as served process.

I'm currently employed by Music Industries,

Inc., which is the sister company for Las Vegas

Residential Properties. I do all the eviction

paperwork. I process all their evictions for the

California properties. And I also serve some notices,

some subpoenas, et cetera. And I'm also a notary,

commissioned notary for company.


you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yes. Mine will be to

Investigator Maxwell.

MR. MAXWELL: Sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The adverse, diversion

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MR. MAXWELL: The applicant disclosed three

arrests. In 1990, possession of narcotic substance.

The charge was dismissed on completion of a diversion

program. The applicant has been totally honest with me.

He wrote me he planned to get paperwork on that

particular one.

And the second one, January 2nd, 1993, felony

possession of narcotic substance, the applicant received

a 36-month probation, which was going to be discharged

on paper in 1996. Okay. So the second one, felony

possession of a narcotic substance, April 6th of '93,

the applicant received a 36-month probation, which was

completed and discharged on April 6 of '96. He then

received a pardon from the Governor of California, and

he did supply us a certificate showing that pardon.

And the last one was 2003, possession of a

narcotic substance. The charge was dismissed upon

completion of a drug court program. And the applicant

did provide us with paperwork showing that dismissal.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you, Mr. Maxwell.

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why don't you

hang on just for a second.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. King?

MR. KING: Yes.



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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Since these past

arrests, have you been in any trouble whatsoever?

MR. KING: No, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How long have you been

working for the company you're working for now?

MR. KING: Seven years. Well, seven years in

April. April 1st it will be seven years.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What did you do, since

the last arrest that you had, with this company?

MR. KING: The only other employment was for

the last 18 years, I worked for a private attorney,

George D. Kelly. And from there, I worked, I started

working here.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. Thank you.

No further.


questions?




that we approve Las Vegas Residential Properties, LLC,

who is applying for a new corporate process server

license. Jerry D. King, Jr. is applying for an

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Member to be approved is Yaakov Greenspun.

MR. KING: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you. Greenspan.

This would be subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.




ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Further

discussion?






MR. KING: Thank you so much. Thank you,

Mr. Maxwell.

MR. MAXWELL: See you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 45. Aris

Vegas, LLC is applying for a new corporate process

server license. Alec R. Morgan is applying for an

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Member to be approved is Alec R. Morgan. This is




MR. MORGAN: Good morning. I'm Alec Morgan.

I'm aware I'm under oath.


about what you want to do with this company and your

background.

MR. MORGAN: And so I'm trying to have the

property management company to also be in compliance

with Senate Bill 151 to serve properties with notices.


your background, sir?

MR. MORGAN: I was a property manager, a

property manager for 12 years. I've just been serving

these notices by myself for that amount of time.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You have several

properties?

MR. MORGAN: The property management company

I'm working with, they have 9,000 doors right now. I've

worked in our partner complexes up to a thousand units.

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other people serve documents, they have to have a work

card --

MR. MORGAN: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- under your --

MR. MORGAN: Yes, sir.


public comment?



that Aris Vegas, LLC be approved for a new corporate

process server license. Alec R. Morgan is applying for

an individual process server license. If approved, he



Member to be approved is Alec R. Morgan. This would be



motion. Do I have second?










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MR. MORGAN: Thank you very much. You guys

have a great day.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Number 46.

Ethan, I believe it's Tseu ("Shoo"), is applying for an

individual process server license. This is subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible

action.

Good morning, sir.

MR. TSEU: Good morning.


MR. TSEU: My name is Ethan Tseu ("Jay-oh").

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My apologies.

MR. TSEU: No, that's good.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Again, I have to state,

Ethan, in my previous life when I was the elected

constable, he worked with me for quite a few years.

We've known each other for quite some time. I haven't

seen him or socialized with him for quite a few years.

And I'd have no problem voting on this.


enough. All right.

Are you aware you're under oath, sir?

MR. TSEU: Yes.




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us what you want to do with this license, and your

background.

MR. TSEU: I'm starting a business here,

process serving, serving court documents. My background

would be nine and a half years with the Constable's

Office here in Las Vegas, serving paperworks, doing

evictions. And I'm here today, since the new law

started on July 1st, to serve paperwork and be licensed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you still

working for Constable's Office?

MR. TSEU: No, I am not.



Any public comment?



that we approve Ethan Tseu --

MR. TSEU: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- who is applying for an

individual process server license. This would be


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And this

is Ray Flynn. I'm seconding this one. Any further

discussion?

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favor, state "aye."



The motion carried. Congratulations. You have

a good day.

MR. TSEU: Thank you very much. Have a great

holiday.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We've

got -- you know what, we'll take a quick break. We're

going to take a 10-minute bio, nutrition, get some fresh

air, break. It'll be 10 minutes, up north.

* * * * *

(A break was taken, 11:19 to 11:41 a.m.)

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moving on to the dog and pony portion. Number 47,

canine handler. T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license

number 2704, is applying for a new canine handler

license. Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for an

individual canine license, handler license. If

approved, she is requesting that her individual license

be placed into abeyance so that she may become the

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MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz. Yes, I

know I'm under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That was

pretty close.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I was going to say damn

close, but we'll keep it clean.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's all right.

All right. It's still morning. So good morning.

MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell us about

this company and what you want to do with it.

MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: So T.A.C. Security is

already in existence, and they're adding canine. And

then they have asked me to be the qualifying agent.


MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Because of my history.


for staff, bring me up to speed. And just the canine

portion, they don't just handle them. The dogs get

certified. But the qualifying agents don't have any

specific training, or. Vinny, go ahead.

MR. SALADINO: Investigator Saladino. So with

a canine handler license, the individual that's going to

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company still has their PPO qualifying agent, and now

they've added a canine license to that as well.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good. All

right. The question's asked and answered. Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good.


public comment?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. I move that we

approve T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license number

2704, for a new canine handler license. Mishon

Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for an individual canine

handler license. If approved, she is requesting that

her individual license be placed into abeyance so that

she may become the qualifying agent. This would be






have a motion and a second. Any public comment?

Seeing none. I already called for that

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favor, state "aye."



The motion carried. Congratulations. Have a

good day.

MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Thank you.


Protective Force International LLC, license number 2687,

is applying for a new canine handler license.

Jonathan G. Alvarez is applying for an individual canine

handler license. If approved, he's requesting that his


may become the qualifying agent. Subject to all


action.

Good morning to you, sir.

MR. ALVAREZ: Good morning.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have to protect

the -- I'm familiar with these folks, because their

office is right downstairs from my office, and so I see

them quite regularly. We do no business together. We

actually haven't done anything social, because they

won't take me out to eat or anything, so, buy me a

drink. Actually, we're all good. I just wanted to, you

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morning. And you are?

MR. ALVAREZ: Good morning, Board. My name is

Jonathan Alvarez, and I acknowledge I'm under oath.


us about your company and what you want to do.

MR. ALVAREZ: We have --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't have any

questions. Any questions from the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I do.


(The Reporter indicated that we didn't hear

everything.)


start again. Tell us about your company and what you

want to do.

MR. ALVAREZ: We have an existing security

operation here in Las Vegas, Nevada. And we're adding a

canine division that's operating.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'm

going to call for any questions of the Board.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. Under

investigation, the investigator's conclusion, it says it

requires an applicant for a dog handler's license, to

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handle while training livestock. So do we need your

update or anything like that?

MR. SWARTHOUT: He did pass the exam. It was

administered at the Las Vegas Convention Center by Woody

Chan, who is POST's secondary education.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we've been

using the convention center for awhile now, right; we no

longer use Metro?

MR. SALADINO: So, currently, being that the

convention center has the ability to get the explosive

material needed for the exam, we've just been using

that. We will need to go back to Las Vegas Metro once

we get anybody who wants to apply for patrol canines

and/or drug detection.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Gotcha.

MR. SALADINO: Right now, with the explosives,

the convention center's been very great to us.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. Thank you.

All right. Any other questions?

Any public comment?

Seeing none, I'll call for a vote, or a motion.


that we approve Protective Force International LLC,

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Jonathan G. Alvarez is applying for an individual canine

handler license. If approved, he is requesting that his


may become the qualifying agent. This would be subject






further discussion from the Board?






MR. ALVAREZ: Thank you all.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Congratulations.


combined title private investigator and private

patrolman, number 49, Michael A. Buxton, applying for an

individual private investigator and private patrolman

license. Subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements. For possible action.


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acknowledge that I'm still under oath.


Mr. Buxton, tell us about your business and what you

want to do with your license.

MR. BUXTON: Well, this is really just the

start of my business. I seem to have gone backwards,

but I wanted to secure my license first. My background,

I have approximately six years narcotics experience in

Nevada and about six years patrol. I've also spent two

years training the police in Iraq, in Baghdad. And I've

worked for multiple private investigator companies here

in town.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'm just

looking up something here.

And I do have one question. I know it's some

time ago, but can you share with me why you did not pass

probation with the Department of Corrections?

MR. BUXTON: They didn't give me a reason. But

during that time, I was going through a really bad

divorce. And as you saw on my record there, I was

convicted of the DUI while I was working at the prison.

And then I was served with a restraining order at work

by my wife. So I don't, I don't know if they thought

that was a problem or what. But they never specifically

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Is this

and ex-wife or wife?

MR. BUXTON: She's now an ex-wife. We've been

officially divorced since about 2011.


Any other questions of the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have one for

Investigator Maxwell. That's part of the adverse

information?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have anything

else there?

MR. MAXWELL: No, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And, Mr. Buxton?

MR. BUXTON: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How many police

departments did you work for?

MR. BUXTON: I worked for two. I worked for

Humboldt County and Lyon County.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And when you

worked, for about 10 years?

MR. BUXTON: I'm sorry?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How long did you work

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approximately 10 years and then Lyon County for

approximately three, I believe.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. When did you

leave Humboldt County?

MR. BUXTON: I left Humboldt County in

approximately 2005.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And why did you leave?

MR. BUXTON: My wife wanted to move to Reno.

And so I got a job closer to Reno. I applied out in

Lyon County.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And then you

worked for Lyon County Sheriff's Office; is that

correct?

MR. BUXTON: That's correct.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Why did you

leave Lyon County?

MR. BUXTON: I had a couple friends go over to

Iraq to do contract work. And so I decided to go over

there. It seemed like a good opportunity and good money

at the time.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. On the Iraq,

where you said you trained things in Iraq, do you have

any documentation for that?

MR. BUXTON: I just have my -- I've got a lot

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they gave us. I don't know if I have any exit paperwork

or anything like that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Real quick, I

don't know, would there be W-2s?

MR. MAXWELL: I don't think so, for a separate,

for a private company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, W-2 for tax

purposes.

MR. MAXWELL: Yeah. Not for that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Then, we

won't require that. Yeah, that was 12 years ago.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you. I'm

good.


questions?

Any public comment?



that we approve Michael A. Buxton, who's applying for an

individual private investigator and patrolman, private

patrolman license. This would be subject to all




All right. For the purposes of moving this



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forward, Ray Flynn, I will second this. We have a

motion and a second. Do we have any discussion?

Anything you want to put on the record?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I just, I'm just

concerned about the two police departments, leaving.

And then no record about what he says he did in Iraq,

that just gives me a problem.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I can't

speak to Iraq, but I do know I did 15 years on Nevada

posts, and with the rural sheriff's departments, tenure

is something that lacks.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's interesting.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. So there

are officers that go from agency to agency, either due

to job conditions as well as salary. As well as

problems, too. But we don't know. Did we get anything

back from the departments?

MR. MAXWELL: Just confirmation that he did

work for the departments.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. All

right. And what was the date of the last -- the

restraining order with the ex-wife was, what, more than

10 years ago?

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All right. We have a motion. We have a second. I'll

call for a vote. All those in favor, state "aye."




ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Two to one

in favor. The motion passes. Congratulations, sir.

MR. BUXTON: Thank you so much.


Number 50, International Protective Service, Inc.,

applying for a new corporate private investigator and

private patrolman license. Aaron T. Jones is applying

for an individual private investigator and private



he may become the qualifying agent. This is subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible

action.


MR. JONES: Aaron T. Jones.


you're under oath, sir?

MR. JONES: I am aware.


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MR. JONES: Sure. International Protective

Service has been in existence for almost 14 years now.

I started the business when I was still a police

officer. And we're in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona,

California. And we're looking to get our Nevada

license.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And how do we

pronounce our state?

MR. JONES: "Neh-vad-ah."

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Very good. All

right. It's been a long day. I thought I heard

something else.

All right. Any questions of the Board?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I do. Gronauer.

Where, the information?

MR. MAXWELL: The best information was 2018.

The applicant had a civil judgment filed against him

with Erie County Supreme Court in New York for

defaulting on a company business loan. The applicant

provided me with the paperwork showing that this was

settled out of court shortly thereafter. He provided

proof of payment and final balance showing that

everything was good.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Jones, what police

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MR. JONES: I retired from the Valencia County

Sheriff's Office, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where?

MR. JONES: Valencia County, New Mexico, south

of Albuquerque, New Mexico.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't know

where it is. Where is it?

MR. JONES: It's down south of Albuquerque.

It's a small sheriff's office. It's just south of

Albuquerque, New Mexico.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's sheriff's office,

but a lot of big difference.

MR. JONES: They have a lot of crime.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. It's a major

safe place to drive, too. You just don't want to speed

there.

MR. JONES: That's right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You want to tend to

stay the other way.


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that we approve International Protective Service, Inc.,

who is applying for a new corporate private investigator

and private patrolman license. Aaron T. Jones is

applying for an individual private investigator and

private patrolman license. If approved, he is

requesting that his individual licenses be placed into


This would be subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.










Okay. The motion carried. Congratulations.

MR. JONES: Thank you so much. Merry Christmas

to you all.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Merry Christmas.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Jones, it's

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MR. JONES: "Neh-vad-ah."


Ralph P. Ray -- come save us -- is applying for an




may become the qualifying agent for Century Security

Management of Las Vegas, license number 1315. This is



Good morning.

MR. RAY: Good morning.


MR. RAY: Ralph Ray. And I'm aware I'm under

oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And I do

bring attention to the Board, for the record, that I do

know Mr. Ray. I've known him through my employment with

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. We do not

socialize. It's been quite some time since I've seen

him. And I feel I have no issue voting on this matter.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And Gronauer. I, too,

would like to disclose that I've known Mr. Ray for, I

don't know, 30 some years. And I haven't talked with

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problem voting on this one. That's from my -- I know

him from our previous relationship with the Las Vegas

Metropolitan Police Department.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I don't know him. So I'm

an odd man out here.


Ralph, tell us what you're doing here and what you want

to do with your company.

MR. RAY: The company I work for, Century

Security, I'm actually qualifying, qualified agent for

them. I was working with Larry Burns over there just

prior to his passing, unfortunately. He should have

been doing this today. And I stepped in to do it after

he passed away.

We currently are looking to possibly expand and

going in the private investigative direction. I

employed one of the retired Metro homicide detectives,

who's working for us currently, is a manager and not

doing anything private investigative-wise. But looking

at going in that direction a little bit with that part

of the license. And maintaining what we're doing on the

guard side currently as Century Security and trade shows

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you for your

service.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Seeing

none, any public comment?



that we approve Ralph P. Ray, who is applying for an



individual licenses be placed into abeyance so that he

may become the qualifying agent for Century Security

Management of Las Vegas, license number 1315. This

would be subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements.


a second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion,

and I have a second. Any further discussion by the

Board?





The motion carries. Congratulations, Ralph.



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MR. RAY: Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And have a good

holiday.

MR. RAY: Yeah, you too.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Item

number 52 is postponed?

MR. INGRAM: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So

we'll carry that on to the next meeting, or tomorrow?

MR. SALADINO: That'll be postponed to March.

MR. INGRAM: That'll be March.


next meeting.

MR. INGRAM: March 3rd.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Now

we get ready for the registration appeals, is the best

way to phrase this. Was anyone not here this morning

that needs to be sworn in? Please stand. Anybody that

needs to be sworn in, please stand.

Everybody that's sitting, I'm assuming you were

sworn in or you don't need to testify, one or the other.

Counselor, all yours.

MR. DETMER: My pleasure. Those who are about

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swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and

nothing but the truth?


were sworn/affirmed.)

MR. DETMER: When you all come up for your

testimony, before you start testifying, please just

recite that you are under oath, or that you're aware

that you're under oath. Thank you.


Number 53, Alex Holden.

All right. Mr. Holden, we will trail that one.

Number 54, Laval Lee Jenkins.

Mr. Jenkins, please come forward.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That'll work

better. You guys get along, right?

Okay. Vinny, it's yours.

MR. SALADINO: Yes. Investigator Saladino.

The applicant was denied for a 2012 possession of a

controlled substance. It was at a felony level. The

applicant did disclose the arrest on the application and

provide the 1203.4 dismissal paperwork.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Anything

else?

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Mr. Jenkins, how are you today?

MR. JENKINS: I'm doing good, thank you.


you're under oath?

MR. JENKINS: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What was

the drug?

MR. JENKINS: It would actually be tobacco and

cell phones. It was actually a thing where my now

girl -- we're still together, my children's mother.

Basically, her dad actually influenced her into trying

to deliver a bag of tobacco. You know, he's been doing

life, you know, life since she was about two. And what

happened was we drove there, got cold feet. And when we

turned around, we got suspected. They pulled us over.

And there was a little bit of marijuana in the car. And

he also found the tobacco and everything. And we told

the truth from there. And then that's what put us on

probation. And then if we completed probation, it would

get expunged.

And that was the whole thing of what happened.

And since then, I've just been trying to be a good

father, basically.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you were

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MR. JENKINS: Yes, personal. And, yeah,

they -- yeah. Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What prison was

this?

MR. JENKINS: That was, I don't know if it was

in Kings County, close to -- what's that? Close to

Bakersfield, a little close to Bakersfield.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I thought

you said Kings County.

MR. JENKINS: Yeah, you know, it's in Kings

County. It's like -- yeah. It's by, I want to say,

Fresno. There you go, Fresno.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Fresno?

MR. JENKINS: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. A lot

different than Bakersfield.

MR. JENKINS: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. What

have you been doing for the last seven years?

MR. JENKINS: Working. I was in California. I

worked security in California at Stater Brothers and

Walmart. And then my children's mother, she had

opportunity out here to come out to Vegas. So I moved

out here just to be closer to the kids. And ever since

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have some backup, you know, just like for holiday time,

just in case I need to get, you know, to get extra money

for the kids or whatever, I needed a little backup money

just in case.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And if I

heard you correctly, because I'm not sure if they heard

it, you're with Verizon or Horizon?

MR. JENKINS: Verizon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What do you do

for Verizon?

MR. JENKINS: Tech coach, tech support,

troubleshooting, troubleshooting, if you call, and

troubleshoot the phones, but.


Any other questions from the Board? All right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What do you plan on

doing with a word card?

MR. JENKINS: Basically, I want to -- because I

was doing security in California. And I always liked

security. And I, basically, didn't have the card to

start security when I came out here. And I just want to

get back in it and, also, have a second job so I can

provide for my family.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you worked armed or

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MR. JENKINS: Unarmed.




Do I call for public comment?

MR. DETMER: This is due process, so there's no

public comment.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Then,

I'll call for a motion.


that we approve -- is it grant or overturn?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Grant the appeal.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we grant the

appeal for Laval Lee Jenkins, who's applied for a

registration card.


Do I have a second?





in favor of granting the appeal, state "aye."



The motion is granted. Congratulations to you.



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MR. JENKINS: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have good

holidays.

David Wright. Mr. Wright.

All right. We will trail that one, too.

Ahmad Carney. Mr. Carney, please come on down.

Mr. Saladino, is this one yours, too?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir.


you are Mr. Wright?

MR. CARNEY: Ahmad Carney.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Carney. My

apologies. Mr. Carney, and you aware you're under oath?

MR. CARNEY: Yes.


afternoon.

MR. CARNEY: Good afternoon.

MR. SALADINO: So the applicant was denied for

a 1991 possession of a controlled substance for sale at

the felony level. The applicant did disclose it.

1996, possession of a controlled substance,

cocaine again, for sale. The applicant did receive a

prison term for this. The applicant did serve five

years and eight months and a couple days, is what he

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In 2003, a domestic violence. He received 30

days, it was at misdemeanor level, 30 days in jail and a

year probation. Again, it was disclosed.

2008, a DUI where he received three years

probation and classes as well.

November 8th of 2018, another misdemeanor DUI

where he's serving informal probation right now. The

applicant disclosed that, upon completing this -- this

is the one -- that he is eligible to be in another state

while he's on this informal probation. So that's -- and

he's got classes. So he's hoping to be off the

probation sooner at the completion of the classes.


understand correctly, and either one of you can answer,

in California, informal probation means you don't need

to show up regularly for the probation officer, but

you're still on probation in the eyes of the court?

MR. SALADINO: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We do not

normally grant anybody a work card that's on probation

or parole. And you're aware of that. We want to hear

your side. It doesn't mean that we can't. But just on

the record, I've never granted one, so.

Tell us why you're in Las Vegas, or Nevada, and

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MR. CARNEY: I'm in Nevada because of the cost

of living, tax purposes. I have my family here as well.

I have three kids that are at Spring Valley High, Spring

Valley Mountain, and Buffalo High School.

I enjoy security. My dad done security. I

have my sheriff card. I have my TAM card. I have my

alcohol awareness card. The only thing I don't have is

my PILB card. I do have a non-gaming card, which I

already let you guys know. I feel I should qualify for

it because of the sheriff department gave me a

non-gaming card as well.

So I'm currently working at Embassy Nightclub.

And I'm also working at UPS. I'm also working at CNXX.

That's a nightclub as well. So I just need the

opportunity to move forward.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What are you

doing at the nightclubs?

MR. CARNEY: Security.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you work for

the...

Do you want to ask some questions?

MR. INGRAM: So when you are working at the

nightclub, who pays you?

MR. CARNEY: Embassy.

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MR. CARNEY: Yes, I do.

MR. SALADINO: We've actually visited the

Embassy Nightclub previous, and they do have their own

W-2 in-house security that they utilize.

MR. INGRAM: Is that the same for the CMXX?

MR. CARNEY: Yes. And I had to go through the

sheriff's department in order to get my gaming license

to work for there. Yes.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you. Okay.


questions?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The DUI you were

speaking of -- this is Gronauer. The DUI you were

speaking of is 1 November a year ago?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do we have paperwork

that says all this stuff, then?

MR. SALADINO: We have paperwork showing that

he is current with his classes. And the reason I

allowed him to come for the appeal for it was the fact

that it was informal probation. And as long as there's

no other arrests or anything, there's no -- the courts

do not worry about it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And to follow up with

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with stuff like that?

MR. SALADINO: We can, yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, obviously, we

can. But is it something we do normally, or we just

don't do it unless we find something out?

MR. SALADINO: So, typically, these things are

investigated when they move employers. Though there's a

NAC chapter that we utilize. So if they move employers,

then it becomes provisional for another 90 days. So we

can verify then or during their renewal cycle.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you.


questions of the Board?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So do you currently have

a license?

MR. CARNEY: I currently don't. And I just

filed the paperwork for California to where they could

not put an issue out and I could have my license here in

Nevada.


MR. CARNEY: So there was paperwork I had to

file. I had to file it after December 30.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: One other question,

please, Mr. Carney. Why do you want this work card?

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business. But at the same time, I want to get involved

with the casinos and so forth. I've been denied because

I didn't have a PILB card. I applied at about four or

five different casinos. I ended up at the Embassy. And

CMXX club for now. This was the card I was able to get

from the sheriff's department. So I went through all

the process that I need to go through. And now I'm here

at the Board trying to get my PILB card.


Seeing no other questions, I'll call for a motion.


that we continue with the denial of Mr. Carney due to

time and distance and he's still under probation.



motion, and I have a second. Any further discussion of

the Board?

Okay. All those in favor of the motion, state

"aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. The appeal

is not granted. We can see you in a year. Hopefully,

your probation will be over, and we'll go forward from

there.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Catharine

Freitag.

All right. We will trail that one.

Dontrell Blackburn.

All right. Frederick. All right. How do you

pronounce your last name, sir?

MR. NNABUIFE: "Nah-bee-fah."

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Huh?

MR. NNABUIFE: "Nah-bee-fah."

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: "Na-nah-bee-fah."

MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Are you

aware you're under oath?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Vinny, is

this yours, too?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Let's

talk about this one.

MR. SALADINO: It was a 2011 possession of

marijuana at a felony level where he received a 12 to 36

months suspended prison sentence and was given three

years probation. He did disclose it at the time of

application, provided court documents. The applicant

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March 27th of 2014. And he was informed about the

appeal process at the time of his application.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How much

marijuana did you have? Because a 12- to 32-month

suspended sentence.

MR. NNABUIFE: 55 pounds.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 55 pounds?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'd say.

All right. What have you been doing for the last nine

years?

MR. NNABUIFE: I've been doing the personal

bodyguard. It's professional work here and there as a

personal bodyguard.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And who are you a

personal bodyguard for, or?

MR. NNABUIFE: Just several musicians, football

players and the rappers.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where do you do

this personal bodyguard work?

MR. NNABUIFE: I bring them to -- they come to

Vegas. And my friend knows them. So they call me, and

I help them out. And they don't come all the time, just

every once in a while.

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you're doing is illegal?

MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir. And they wanted me to

get a PP, a PILB card, so I could get it make more

money.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: When's the last

time you did some of this bodyguard work?

MR. NNABUIFE: Oh, like two months ago.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Two months ago.

MR. NNABUIFE: But that's a long time.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate your

honesty, I do. Because we get people before us that are

not honest to us about that. But it puts me in a tough

position right now, that you're doing illegal work, and

you're asking for us to sanction that. You shouldn't be

doing any bodyguard work whatsoever, end of story.

None.

MR. NNABUIFE: Maybe they're just trying to

tell me that, too, but I usually --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm just telling

you it's illegal. I don't care what they tell you.

Just like the 55 pounds of dope, somebody probably told

you to deliver it. That was illegal, too.



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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So are you working for a

company doing this, or are you just doing this on your

own, they pay you directly?

MR. NNABUIFE: They pay directly.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: They pay you directly?

MR. NNABUIFE: Yeah. They just like pay me to

walk them in. So the security guards want me to go

apply for doing this. But they know me, so they don't

have to get the card, so they bring the business.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, the only thing --

this is Gronauer. You seem like a very nice gentleman.

The trouble is, and we deal with people who have done

this before, and our practice has been, because of how

it's happening, that we would have to deny. That's what

we've done mainly in the past, at least since I've been

around, how we've done it in the past. You have to get

this stuff together. Because even the places you're

going into, without the proper credentials, they could

be fined, also, even though you're doing it for friends

and all this other stuff. It's a problem. I appreciate

your honesty, too. But you got to stay with what the

law says.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So he can answer a

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, that's why

he's there.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So even if he gets

the license, he can't work individually for, you know,

Joe rapper. So I just want to make sure he understands

that, that if they him the license, he can't just get a

call from whatever basketball player and go work for

him. I don't know if that'll be clear.

MR. DETMER: That's my understanding. The

abilities and practice is limited by the license as to

the company.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So do you understand that?

MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, I do.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: You have to work for a

company if you get your card?

MR. NNABUIFE: Yeah.


MR. NNABUIFE: That's why the company, that's

why the company want us to get it.


MR. NNABUIFE: You know, I'm going to be under

their license to work.


MR. NNABUIFE: He got his own insurance for us,

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MR. INGRAM: What's the name of the company

that's hiring you?


MR. NNABUIFE: I don't even know if I have it

now.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is it here in Vegas?

MR. NNABUIFE: It's here in Vegas, on

Charleston.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Charleston.

MR. INGRAM: Do you know the name?

MR. SALADINO: Bulwerks?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Who?

MR. SALADINO: Bulwerks.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is it Bulwerks?

MR. NNABUIFE: I'm sorry?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Bulwerks?

MR. NNABUIFE: Bulwerks, yeah, I think. Yeah,

I think, it's that, yeah.


other questions?

MR. NNABUIFE: And I want to work for Griz

Nightclub. They want me to work for them. But I don't

have no sheriff card. So I was in that same situation,

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you.

MR. NNABUIFE: Thank you, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Saladino,

anything else?

MR. SALADINO: Nothing else.




BOARD MEMBER NIXON: One more quick question.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: When did you find out that

you need the license? I mean did you -- someone just

started calling you, and because you're a big guy at the

gym, they said, "Hey, come work for us"?

MR. NNABUIFE: The guy that was calling me, he

said that he got in trouble before. And he stopped

calling us and said, "You have to get a card," because

he doesn't want to get in trouble. Because he got in

trouble before.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. Who's that guy?

MR. NNABUIFE: It's Adam.


MR. NNABUIFE: Because he want us to be on

the -- he got caught, that I mentioned, and so he wants

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, it's Gronauer.

And I don't take pleasure in it, but I make a motion to

uphold the denial of Frederick Nnabuife, who applied for

registration and was denied.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any discussion by

the Board?

I'm going to support this. And understand, the

reason I'm supporting it, it isn't because of your

conviction nine years ago with the marijuana. It has to

do with your doing illegal work. But I can only speak

for myself. If you come before us again in a year, and

you don't do any more illegal activity, and I will

support you, provided nothing else happens.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm in the same place.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah. We just wanted you

to do it the right way.

MR. NNABUIFE: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So I

got a motion. I got a second. Any further discussion?

No further discussion. All those in favor of

the motion for denial, state "aye."




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MR. NNABUIFE: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Opposed?

All right. Motion denied.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Keep it right. Come

back in a year.


Number 60, Tyrone Hinton.

Good morning, gentlemen.

MR. HINTON: Good morning.

MR. CALDONETTI: Good morning.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who's who?

MR. HINTON: I'm Tyrone Hinton.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tyron Hinton.

Okay. And you are?

MR. CALDONETTI: I'm Stephen Caldonetti.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And why are you

here, Stephen?

MR. CALDONETTI: I'm his former case manager at

the Salvation Army. It's called Veteran Services.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well, I

appreciate you coming here and supporting your client.

We don't see too much of that. So it's probably going

to be something nice to hear.

MR. CALDONETTI: Yeah.



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Mr. Saladino, is this yours again?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir. All right. So the

applicant was denied for a 1986 child abuse at the

felony level, where he received a two-year -- two years

of probation.

2013, it was a misdemeanor battery charge that

was dismissed.

2012, there was another battery charge of a

victim over 65, as a gross misdemeanor. The gross

misdemeanor was also dismissed. The applicant did

provide court documents and disclosed that one as well.

2012, a gaming, slash, fraudulent acts at

felony level. That one was also dismissed.

The applicant listed some of the arrests on the

report. However, the felony was found when we got the

fingerprint report. And that was the child abuse out of

Missouri.

And that's why they're here now.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So if I got it

correctly, everything was disclosed except the 1986?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Hinton,

anything you want to add before I ask my questions or

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Okay. Well, why did you not disclose the 1986

arrest?

MR. HINTON: Because I knew it wasn't a felony

here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Now, what?

MR. HINTON: That one wasn't a felony here.

That was disclosed as a -- that went down, I pleaded

that down to a misdemeanor assault.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right, but the

application requires you to list all arrests. It

doesn't say felony or otherwise.

MR. HINTON: No, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why did they

charge you with child abuse?

MR. HINTON: She went and she was throwing some

sand at somebody else, and I spanked her a couple times.

And her mother took and she didn't like it, so she put a

case against me.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The child's not

on the forms?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell me about the

battery of the victim over 65.

MR. HINTON: That was an altercation, and he

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I got the case.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why did he

assault you?

MR. HINTON: We were in a room, sitting, and he

was talking real loud. And I just asked him to calm it

down, you know, keep it quiet. And he just reached out.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: At a shelter?

MR. HINTON: No, sir. This was at -- it was,

it was Veteran Services.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So tell me

about your military experience.

MR. HINTON: Three years in the Marines.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What years were

you in?

MR. HINTON: 1980 to 1983.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You went overseas

or on a ship?

MR. HINTON: No action. We went Okinawa. I

didn't do Korea. I did Philippines.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Okay.

Thank you for your service.

MR. HINTON: Thank you for yours.


BOARD CHAIRMAN GRONAUER: Mr. --

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yet.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm sorry. You said,

"Okay."

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm going to talk

to his counsel. What would you like to say?

MR. CALDONETTI: He's been in my program for

about a year and about three months. He just recently,

you know, completed it successfully. From the year and

three months that I worked with him, I mean he's been

eager to volunteer. He's always -- you know, his

character, I can't speak more volumes for this man. He

stepped it up whenever I needed somebody to help, fix

the building, help with remodeling. And he even worked,

when we left, he stayed there for an extra four or five

hours at night painting. And I mean he did a lot for

us. And he was like the only one out of like 40 people

that would actually step up.


Mr. Hinton, one last question. Where are you

employed now?

MR. HINTON: With WGS Security.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So you

received a provisional?

MR. SALADINO: That's correct, he did receive a

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All right. It's all yours.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Is it okay?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It also said, in the

'86 one, which was before, but also the 2012, on your

notes here it says that this arrest was not disclosed,

either, the gaming and the fraudulent acts.

MR. SALADINO: That's correct. I misread that,

being that it was dismissed, and the other ones he did

disclose.

MR. HINTON: So I put that on there.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Put that under

one. In the three years that you were in the Marine

Corps, what rank did you attain?

MR. HINTON: E-3.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Now, you have your

provisional. And if you get your permanent card, what

do you plan on doing?

MR. HINTON: Sir, the reason why I took this

job, because it was long-term. And the other guys that

was working, they was saying, okay, we're full-time,

we're full-time. And then the work went out. So this

opportunity came up, and I took this job out here.

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here?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, it's really

commendable that you would show up, do the work, for the

chapter.

MR. HINTON: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, that's really

good. I think, it's commendable for you.

MR. HINTON: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because, apparently,

you've had some anger issues, or whatever.

MR. HINTON: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So I'm good.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I have a question.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Go ahead.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: At WGS, was his

provisional suspended?

MR. SALADINO: It was, yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So you work for

WGS?

MR. HINTON: That's right.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is that a private security

company, or is it in-house?

MR. HINTON: No, ma'am. It's not private,

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we've done hotels. We just acquired two shopping malls.

And this is just not here in Vegas, this is in different

states, also.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So are you working

here in Vegas, then, right now?

MR. HINTON: Yes, ma'am.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I have a question.

MR. SALADINO: So here's probably how I feel it

happened, was being that the applicant was denied, the

company did not have him on the roster, but I was unable

to send a employer denial letter out.


MR. SALADINO: So the employer didn't know that

it was denied.


MR. SALADINO: And, I guess, there was a

breakdown in the communication there.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So was he notified

that he was denied?

MR. SALADINO: He received a letter, yes. It

was on October 8th.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, there's a

breakdown somewhere.


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more for the staff than you, sir. We're trying to

figure out where the breakdown was. You're not supposed

to be working right now if your work card was denied.

But we'll just -- you may be working in the next 10

minutes. We'll figure it out.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, go ahead.

MR. INGRAM: Did we issue a citation to the

company for failing to put him on the roster?

MR. SALADINO: We didn't know he was working

for the company until today.

MR. INGRAM: So they will be getting a

citation.

MR. SALADINO: They will be getting a citation.

And that's no fault of yours.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So he

wasn't on the roster when we asked, and he was supposed

to be on the roster?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Where was

he working when we denied?

MR. SALADINO: We don't know.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. He

applied for a word card. We said no. And he didn't

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MR. SALADINO: Yeah.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah. So when they apply,

it's up to the business to put them on a roster saying

that they have worked for us. We actually hired them

onto the roster. And when they leave us, we take them

off the roster. If you don't, then they don't know, the

Board doesn't know where they work.

MR. SALADINO: So he can't even be added to the

roster until he's in a provisional status.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: But he had a

provisional status from the beginning?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right.

MR. INGRAM: It's not active.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: He had a provisional.

And the letter saying --

MR. INGRAM: Did you change addresses from the

time that you applied, or did you receive the letter

that shows the work card was denied after your

provisional?

MR. HINTON: Yes, sir, I did change addresses.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Did you receive the

letter?

MR. HINTON: I believe, I did, too, yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well, we

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'll

let you guys put your heads together, see how we can

possibly fix this. You guys do brainstorm.

You didn't do anything wrong.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: This is on us.

No, everything's good. We're going forward.

All right. If no other questions from the

Board, I will entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm make a motion.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That we approve Tyrone

Hinton, applied for registration, and approve --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Overturn the

denial.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm sorry. It's

overturn the denial.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Grant the appeal.

Grant the appeal.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So we grant the appeal.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'm going

to support this. I just want to go on the record. I'm

supporting this because I've got time and distance. I

can understand why you chose not to report the 1986.

You reported everything else. And the fact that your

counselor is here with you. And you've done good since

your last involvement with the police. So that's why

I'm supporting that.

So I'll call for a vote. All those in favor,

state "aye."



Unanimous. Congratulations, sir. You have

your work card.

MR. HINTON: Thank you all.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 61, Dustin

Hippenstein.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Hippensteel.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Hippensteel.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That's my

eyes. You're correct. I was wrong.

Did you have all these?

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Vinny, tell us what you've got here.

MR. HINTON: All right. So the applicant was

denied for a 2010 felony robbery conviction. He did

disclose it and did provide court documents as well.

2014, misdemeanor DUI. This was also listed.

There was a retail theft out of Utah that was

also disclosed, at a misdemeanor level.

A DUI out of Florida in 2008. This was also

disclosed and was at a misdemeanor level.

The applicant listed his arrests and conviction

history and was advised of the appeal process at the

time that he applied.


Hippensteel?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell me about the

robbery.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I was in a very bad place in

my life. I'm not a criminal. I was trying to hurt

myself. And I took a car that wasn't mine, and crashed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You took the car

by force, it wasn't like car theft?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: No, there was no physical.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, okay.

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No threat, or whatever.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And how many

years were you in prison?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Two.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Two. Where did

you do your time?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Well, they, obviously,

transfer you in different places. But High Desert and

Indian Springs.


been doing the last five years?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Well, I was a hospitality

management major at Florida International University.

So I did hospitality up until I got my personal training

license through the International Board Science

Association about four years ago. So I was doing

hospitality. I was a host at Mandalay Bay Foundation.

And then I left there probably about four years ago,

whenever I was licensed for my personal training. And

then I went to Snap Fitness.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell us, why do

you want to work in security, why do you want to do

that?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I just got married in April.

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So I just wanted to do like a part-time weekend or work

events per se for another, a different company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you have a

company lined up that wants to hire you?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: No, sir. I've seen posts and

stuff online, and that's why they say, obviously, you

know, you have to go and get your card and everything,

otherwise no need to apply. But like I said, you know,

personal training is part-time and kind of, you know, my

bread and butter. And I'd like to try to do like

security or something on the weekends, my second, you

know, fill probably 60 hours, to take care of the wife.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Sir, the DUI in 2014,

where was that, which state, in Nevada?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You got a hundred 80

days?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I'm sorry?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How much time did you

serve for that?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: No, that was taken care of.

That, it violated my parole. But, yeah, it sent me back

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: He was on parole.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I got that, yeah.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yeah, it was, obviously, the

original case. That, you know, they just, they put me

in a fire camp where I fought fire up north.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Now I

understand.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: And then they shot me back

out.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Went in a circle.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yeah.





BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Just one question.

Everything is resolved now, there's nothing outstanding,

all the paperwork's done?

MR. SALADINO: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: A hundred 20 months is

a long time. That's what I'm trying to get here.

You're not on probation anymore, you're not on paper at

all?

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I mean, I'm sorry, parole after I was released. So it

probably took me, you know -- once you get paroled, then

they, obviously, knock off a little bit more time. And

then, so probably about two years or whatever, maybe

three I did on parole.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know when you

got off paper?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I'm sorry?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know when you

got released off paper from parole and probation?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I would say, 2016. I have

the document somewhere.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Saladino, you were

pointing to something.

MR. SALADINO: Yeah, one of his -- the last

time he paid the courts was June 27th of '12.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And then you went back

to prison?

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yes, that was, yeah, because

that was on the parole.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I have nothing.

I'm done.


entertain a motion.

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the appeal for Dustin Hippensteel, who's applied for a

registration card.



BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll second it.


discussion?

I'll put on the record I'm going to support.

We have time and distance since you've been in trouble.

You've got a good work history up to this point. And

your honesty and forthcomingness before the Board, we do

appreciate that, so.

I'll call for a vote. All those in favor of

granting the appeal, state "aye."



Okay. The appeal's granted. Congratulations.

MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have a good

day.

Jeremiah Carrillo.

Are you Jeremiah?

MR. CARRILLO: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You realize

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MR. CARRILLO: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Vinny,

it's all yours.


a 2010 misdemeanor charge out of California where he was

originally charged as carrying a loaded firearm in

public. It was reduced to a CCW in a vehicle. He did

disclose the arrest. This is the second time he was

denied. The first time was on 10-21 of '14 when he

tried to renew his work card. And now he's back again

to get his work card.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You waited five

years before coming back. Nothing wrong with that.

Usually, people come back within a year.

MR. CARRILLO: I didn't know the first time

that I could appeal it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. Well,

what have you been doing the last five years?

MR. CARRILLO: Security.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where?

MR. CARRILLO: I've been doing it for companies

that doesn't require the PILB. Well, when I first

started doing security, there was no PILB. You just

went down to the -- got a sheriff's card, either armed

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the lovely incident in the state of California with the

firearm. Then, when I came back from that incident, I

still had years on my actual sheriff's card. So I was

still doing work then. When that got expired, I went to

renew it. They said, "No, you have to get a PILB card."

That's was when I got first denied because of my lovely

incident in California.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We don't need the

editorial.

MR. CARRILLO: So then I took a little bit of

time off from security. And I've been doing security

again now. I'm working currently for the Segal Group,

who owns the like Pink Boxes, Segal Suites, and a bunch

of other properties.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And if we

were to give you your cord, what do you intend on doing?

MR. CARRILLO: There's a company that currently

wants to hire he, because, I guess, they have a contract

with the courthouse, and that's what they personally

want me to do for them, be armed security there for that

contract.


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Board.


motion to grant the appeal for Jeremiah Carrillo.


have a motion. Do we have a second?



discussion?

All right. I'll put on the record that we have

time and distance and a long employment history.

I'll call for a vote. All those in favor of

the granting the appeal, state "aye."




MR. CARRILLO: Thank you, gentlemen. Thank

you, ma'am.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Patrick Cotham.

All right.

MR. COTHAM: How are you doing? I'm aware I'm

under oath.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And

you're -- just confirming, your Mr. Cotham?

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this yours, too, even though he's up there?

MR. SALADINO: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Did

you guys do any work, or?

All right. Okay. It's all yours.

MR. SALADINO: The applicant was denied for a

1993 possession of a loaded firearm. It was at a gross

misdemeanor level, where he received probation. He did

disclose this arrest on his application, and he was

advised of the appeal process.

There also was a 1994 receipt of stolen

property at a misdemeanor level. This one wasn't

disclosed. It was found on the fingerprint report.

And then a 2000 out of California, possession

of marijuana for sale, two counts. They were both

felony levels, but those were dismissed. And that was

also found on the fingerprint report.


you.

Mr. Cotham, on your last arrest, sale of

marijuana, what kind of weight are we talking about,

what was the amount?

MR. COTHAM: Sir, it was 11 grams of marijuana.

They called it possession for sale because I had a scale

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, that never

helps. All right. On the firearm, 1993, I mean we're

talking over 25 years ago. But I do need to know what

the background was on that.

MR. COTHAM: I was young and foolish and

thought I was tough and needed a gun to back up my

actions. I didn't use the gun in any crimes. I got

pulled over by the California Highway Patrol. I didn't

have a driver's license. That gave them probable cause,

and they searched the car and found the weapon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We'll ask

a question. What have you been doing the last 25 years?

MR. COTHAM: I've been raising four beautiful

children. Well, one is 24. I have four kids. The last

10 years, I've been working security in California.

Since 2014, I've had a security guard card. And the

company I work for is now offering me chances to travel

to other states to work. And that's why I'm applying

for a card here in Nevada.


And thank you for your coming forward with all this.


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Cotham, is there a

reason that you didn't disclose the possession of

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MR. COTHAM: I believe, I did disclose it. It

was possession of marijuana. I didn't put down the for

sales, because the charge was reduced. And I wasn't

understanding that I needed to put down what I was

arrested for. So I put down what I was convicted of.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And you were convicted

of it?

MR. COTHAM: I was only convicted of a

possession of marijuana charge.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right.



Okay. I will entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. This is Nixon. I

move that we grant the appeal for Patrick Cotham, who's

applied for registration.


Do I have a second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a second,

Any discussion?

I'll put on the record that we definitely have

time and distance on this. So I am supporting the

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in favor of granting the appeal, say "aye."



Congratulations, appeal granted.

MR. COTHAM: Thank you very much for your time.


It's like communicating with a space station

(videoconferencing).

All right. Patricia Lewis.

All right. We'll trail that one.

Gene Hobdy.

Are you Mr. Hobdy?

MR. HOBDY: Yes, sir, I am.


aware you're under oath, sir?

MR. HOBDY: Yes, sir.


Mr. Saladino.


a 2007 failure to register as a sex offender. It was at

a felony level, where he was found guilty and given 36

months probation. He did disclose this and provided

court documents. This stems from an arrest, slash,

conviction from February 3rd of '98. The applicant has

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There was also a 2012 DUI out of California,

where it was at misdemeanor level, 36 months probation.

This was disclosed, and court documents received as

well.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What about

the disclosed -- well, he didn't disclose the failure to

register and drugs?

MR. SALADINO: That was disclosed, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. The

failure to register, it was disclosed?

MR. SALADINO: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Was the 1998

charge disclosed?

MR. SALADINO: That one was not.

MR. HOBDY: What was '98?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The original

charge that you register as a sex offender for.

MR. HOBDY: Okay. I'm going to back up, back

in like '85, something like that.


MR. HOBDY: Yeah, I did disclose it, that. And

that's what I thought was the main thing was, because

that is -- I had sexual battery charge, and I was

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MR. HOBDY: So I did my time, did everything

moving forward. When I got out, I was on probation and

parole. Nobody told me I really had to register. That

really wasn't a big deal. And I had kind of a --

changed probation officers, changed probation officers

three or four time during that, and nobody ever made an

issue out of registering. So I didn't really register.

I didn't make it a big deal. I was working and cleaning

my life and moving forward.

My wife and I finally got a divorce. And I was

applying for custody of my son at the time. And then,

when we went to court, her attorney tried to use this

against me as reason why not to grant me custody of my

son. And then it all came out, and told me I have to

register. Okay. And then they came to my office

looking for me, and that's when I was arrested for not

registering. But I didn't realize that I was supposed

to be registering. Now that I do, I register every year

on time.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. But it

states here that you did list that address.

MR. HOBDY: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My question now

is, what was the circumstance of the 1985 arrest for

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MR. HOBDY: That was '85. Yeah, that was a bad

deal. That was drinking, drugs, bad marriage. I was in

a place I shouldn't have been. I got involved with a

woman, not a teenager, she was a woman. I was coming on

to her. She said, no, I didn't stop, blah, blah, blah.

And it just escalated. And they came. They called the

cops. I was arrested. And it went forward like that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How much time did

you do?

MR. HOBDY: I got two years. And I tell you, I

don't make excuses. I shouldn't have been there. So it

was my fault. And to this day, it's something that I

regret, and I'll take it to my grave.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But you haven't

had any other --

MR. HOBDY: No. That's 35 years ago. No, I

moved forward. To speak to my credit right now, my

character, I'm a Vietnam veteran. I'm a disabled

veteran. I am involved with the American Legion,

American Legion Riders. I'm a public California elected

official to the American Legion Riders. I'm in charge

of over 900 riders in southern California. We do a lot

of work for veterans, veteran issues, community, youth

programs. I also started my own nonprofit organization

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Veterans. And I donate back to the single veterans.

So I'm trying to do lot of positive things in

my life. And I'm trying to put this behind me.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What do you do

for employment?

MR. HOBDY: Well, I'm retired. I was a

California state contractor. I'm retired now. And I

have my Social Security and then my disability with the

VA. And I supplement my income. I work with a company

that we do traffic control, and we have the police

motorcycles, and we have uniforms, and so we do traffic

control of different events. And that's why I need the

card. Once in a while, they have events in Nevada that

they want me to come help them do traffic control. But

I need the guard card. So I can't do it. I don't have

a guard card. This I'll not be doing all the time, just

a couple times a year.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm still

learning. So we require guard cards for if he wants to

do traffic control?

MR. SALADINO: So the company that he's

referring to, they contract with CSC at the Electric

Daisy Carnival.


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custody and control of CSC during that event.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So they -- for

all their employees. Gotcha. Okay. All right. I


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It have a quick question.

So I'm just trying to understand the timeline. The

original incident happened in '85; is that right?

MR. HOBDY: Yeah, I forget the date.

MR. SALADINO: The records that we have, it

stems from a 1998 incident. And it's not even disclosed

really on the fingerprint report other than it talks to

the non-expiring for registration is what it talks to.

And it stems from a, yeah, February 3rd of 1998

incident.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So there's only one

incident, there's not two, one in '85 and one in '98?

MR. SALADINO: It did seem like it was just the

one.


MR. SALADINO: And then it was the failure to

register in '07.


MR. SALADINO: And the DUI.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. Okay.

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live now?

MR. HOBDY: Indio. Indio, outside of Palm

Springs.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. How long have

you been in Nevada?

MR. HOBDY: A couple hours. Actually, I left

Palm Springs, and I got here, and I've been sitting in

the hallway waiting. As soon as I get done here, I'm

leaving.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know, if he's

over here and working the Electric Daisy Carnival, and

you're staying overnight or something, you're going to

have to register with the police department?

MR. HOBDY: Okay. I'll do that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I'm just --

MR. HOBDY: I didn't know that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I mean, before,

you said, "I wasn't told." I want to make sure you

understand that --

MR. HOBDY: I will do that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- you have to register

with the Metropolitan Police Department.

MR. HOBDY: I'll do that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And ex-felon and

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MR. HOBDY: I don't even jaywalk anymore.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just want to make

sure that you understand.

MR. HOBDY: Yes, sir. Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So that you don't get

confused with that. Because you have investigators at

the Electric Daisy Carnival, and you can get hit with

that again.

MR. HOBDY: What would be the best way to do

it, just come into Vegas and find a police department?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Police department.

MR. HOBDY: I will.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The Las Vegas

Metropolitan Police Department.

MR. HOBDY: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And register.

MR. HOBDY: If I'm granted a card, I will do

that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I don't know about that

yet, so.

MR. HOBDY: Yeah, I know. Move forward.


other questions?

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that we grant the appeal, due to time and distance, to

Gene Hobdy for his registration card.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We've got a

motion and a second. All right. Any other discussion?

All right. I'll call for a vote. All those in

favor, state "aye."



Okay. The motion carried. Congratulations.

MR. HOBDY: Thank you, sir. Thank you for your

time. I appreciate it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Listen to my

colleague.

MR. HOBDY: I appreciate that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Noah

Carter-White.

MR. WHITE: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Hi.

MR. WHITE: How are you doing?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you

Mr. White?

MR. WHITE: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And you're

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MR. WHITE: I do know I'm under oath.


Mr. Saladino.

MR. SALADINO: Okay. So this denial of the

word card is kind of unique. This is where we're

quoting NAC 648.344, which once you're added to a

roster, you become into a provisional status again.

We received some information in regards to the

criminal history of the applicant. And since then,

we've also had a couple other arrests since the denial

of the work card. And that's what we're here for.

I also have a video to play for the Board in

regards to the applicant while he was working with his

registered work card for a company.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So if I

understand correctly, we've got -- we have an arrest

after he was granted a work card?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we have

video, also, that shows another violation?



Roll the videotape.

Mr. White, are you aware of the videotape?

MR. WHITE: No, I'm not.



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MR. SALADINO: Five minutes?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, we'll take

a five-minute break while we get the IT issues fixed.

* * * * *

(A break was taken, 1:02 to 1:08 p.m.)

* * * * *


proceed.

Okay. Do you want to describe what's going to

happen, or just do you want to roll the tape?

MR. SALADINO: So this video was brought to us

by a licensee of ours. When we were moving forward the

denial, there was a couple other employers that had

listed on the profile, an internal database for us, that

states why individuals have been terminated from

employment. Upon reading the one for this particular

licensee, I contacted them, and this is what was

provided to me.


(A videotape was played.)

MR. SALADINO: So this is a gas station, a 76

gas station. It's going to start again in the

beginning. It's going to replay. That was the latter

part of it.

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April 3rd?

MR. SALADINO: Of this year, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. They're

not going to be able to hear you, Vinny.

MR. SALADINO: What's that?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: They're not going

to be able to hear.

MR. SALADINO: I'll talk loud.

So our applicant, the work card holder, is

right here. At this time, it appears he's taking off

his security equipment and gear.

At one point, the firearm is passed to the

clerk. The clerk then hands it back, and security in

the back office.

And this video shifts now over to where the

video poker machines are.

That register and stuff will be over in this

area. And he's going to come into the screen and crash

into the corner.

That's pretty much it. The licensee also

states that the other security officer that was called

in, and that one was also terminated.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We've

got two issues. Tell me about the -- what do we know

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MR. SALADINO: So that was, on December 20th of

2017, it looks like, it appears a couple other times in

SCOPE where it pops up where he had court requirements

from North Las Vegas. I got the police reports for it.

And the summary of it was Mr. White shoots about six or

seven rounds in the air in an apartment complex because

he finds out that his girlfriend was having relations

with another individual. He was identified through

photos provided by the school district to the

individuals that called the complaint in.

Then, while he's being on probation or serving

something for the courts, there was another incident

where on, it looks like, February 18th of '18, he goes

into an apartment, starts destroying the apartment. And

then, when the individual comes into the apartment, he

points a gun at them and racks it. That was when North

Las Vegas, when they saw that he was fleeing from the

apartment, and they had him at gunpoint, he states, "Go

ahead, shoot me. I'll get paid. And I'll sue your

ass."

With those arrests and then him being denied on

September 9th, we have two other arrests that have

happened. One was for a possession of a CCW. The

police report summary for that one, it was a party at

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getting trespassed the from the D Casino. Las Vegas

Metro happened to be in the area. When they got there,

somebody had said, "Somebody's got a gun." When Metro

approached Mr. White, they found two handguns. He

stated he was taking them back to his vehicle because he

was hired to do private security for the party. And

then, most recently -- that was October 8th of this

year.

And then the super recent was November 25th of

'19, where he got a conspiracy to commit burglary,

burglary while in the possession of a firearm or deadly

weapon, buy and receive stolen property, two counts.

The conspiracy is the only one at gross misdemeanor.

The rest are all at felony level, along with the felony

carrying a concealed weapon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So he's got at

least three or four arrests that haven't even been

adjudicated yet, correct?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Can I ask?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So did I understand this,

did he have a regular guard card, an armed guard card,

he was fully licensed?

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. And then all these

instances started happening, and that when we took it,

it was taken away?



ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. White.

MR. WHITE: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You've been busy

the last a couple months. It's not my place, but, I

think, there was something else going on in your life.

I'm just being up front. We can't grant you a card

while you have multiple cases outstanding. I don't even

need to address the violence that we saw in that

videotape while you were employed by someone. And you

started out in the movie about taking off your gear and

taking off your gun and engaged in a fight with someone.

I don't know. A professional doesn't do that.

So I really don't need to ask you any questions

because we've got numerous cases that have not been

adjudicated yet. So I will see if anybody else has got

any questions.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is this a company weapon?

MR. WHITE: No, it's my personal one.


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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Were you on duty as a

security officer at that time?

MR. WHITE: I was actually on lunch. I was on

property.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. On your property

there?

MR. WHITE: I was on property.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What precipitated that?

MR. WHITE: Where I was at, it was called

Ensworth Street South, right, a little bit before

South Point. Just 30 minutes before, we had detained a

previous trespasser, and we also detained his girlfriend

at the time. We did that, his girlfriend at the time.

After the police came and all that, we had too much,

because it took us like two and a half hours, it took

too much. We went to the store in front of the

property, which we were allowed to go to. We went to

the store, and he came in making death threats, oh, "Who

likes to snatch girls up?" So I said -- and he was

like, "Oh, well, do you want to pass me the gun? I'm

going to shoot you," and this, and, basically, death

threats and was going really like, "Oh, just stay right

here. Stay right here. I'm going to come back, and I'm

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Carrying the card and

being hired by a security company and all that, you

should be pretty well-vetted and, also, pretty

well-experienced or understanding that 9-1-1 isn't that

far away.

MR. WHITE: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And instead of taking

all the time to take your gear off, put it someplace,

have somebody else handle your gun, and then all the

things that happened, I think, I -- you know, there's

just too much here. I appreciate it. Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. No

other questions, I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we uphold the

denial of Mr. Noah Carter-White's registration.


discussion?



second. All right.

I'll put on the record, we've got adjudicated

cases. You've got to, you're going to deal with the

courts before we even consider granting. So I will be

supporting it.

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion

approved. Your card's denied.

MR. WHITE: When can I come back and do it

again?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can come back

within, in a year, the soonest you can come back. I

don't know if all your court stuff will be adjudicated

by then. But can you reapply in one year.

MR. WHITE: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.


Jordenn Lawson.

Are you Mr. Lawson?

MR. LAWSON: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How are you?

MR. LAWSON: I'm okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. Are you

aware you are under oath?



MR. SALADINO: So Mr. Lawson fell into that

same NAC 648.344. Again, this was brought to our

attention from a licensee in regards to the criminal

history that, when the applicant applied, wasn't there,

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We have a March 12th, or I'm sorry,

September 12th of '19 was a felony child abuse or

negligent battery. He was found guilty of the lesser,

or a misdemeanor battery. But this was also while he

had the active work card.

10-1 of '18, out of Nevada, child neglect or

abuse or endangerment, gross misdemeanor, 364 days of

jail suspended. He was on probation for 18 months. The

applicant's probation was revoked on 9-12 of '19 for an

arrest where he did credit for 25 days and needed to

report to P and P.

2014, child abuse or neglect, disorderly

conduct, battery with use of a deadly weapon with

substantial bodily harm at a felony level. He was found

guilty of misdemeanor battery. The battery with use of

a deadly weapon causing severe bodily harm was reduced

to a misdemeanor battery. And the child abuse was

reduced as well. The applicant received a suspended

jail sentence and impulse control counseling.

2012, child endangerment. That case ended up

being dismissed by the D.A.

The reason we ended up moving forward with the

denial of the work card is that he's currently on

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Mr. Lawson is using force, searching individuals, using

chemical agents in the performance of this duties. This

is information we do have on our videos of this.

Mr. Lawson worked for numerous licensed companies and

has been terminated for conduct that is detrimental to

the company in many cases.

As Mr. Lawson stated to me on the phone call,

he's a different type of patrol officer, he's hands-on.

And that's why we're here today.

MR. LAWSON: And then I didn't state to you on

the phone that I was hands-on. I said some of the

companies that I work for, which is Tac One, that you

told me that was one of the companies that reported me

for moral character, okay, that's what he enforces.

Okay. When we're on patrol, like I don't -- if I see a

resident getting beat up, or a leasing agent, and I'm

armed, and we get called by that resident, I don't come

on our property, sit there in her leasing office and,

"Oh, oh, oh, oh, just give me -- hold on. Let me call

the cops right quick." We're armed, and I detain that

person for Metro to finish his arrest. I'm not no

aggressive or I go after people type of person. That's

what I told you over the phone.

As far as all those child endangerment cases --

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, this is my

hearing. It's not your place.

MR. LAWSON: I'm sorry. I'm listening.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And you

don't question my witnesses. Okay. So let's start from

scratch. I've got questions for the investigator, and

I'll get to you.

MR. LAWSON: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Is he on

probation or parole right now, Vinny?

MR. SALADINO: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Does he

have any court cases that still need adjudication?

MR. SALADINO: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What

exactly is he on probation for again? Remind me.

MR. SALADINO: Gross misdemeanor child

endangerment.


me about the multiple child endangerment and child

welfare charges.

MR. LAWSON: Just because of my -- I was in a

bad custody case with my kids' mother. So she was doing

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just won my kids in custody court and got custody of

them. So it's -- yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you have

custody of the children?

MR. LAWSON: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: She does not?

MR. LAWSON: No, we have split custody. I have

them Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday, and she has

them for the rest of the days.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do you

supervise -- so you actually have full custody of them

half the time?

MR. LAWSON: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. But you're

on probation for how long?

MR. LAWSON: My probation, I was on for a year

and a half. I'm supposed to be off May 16th of 2020.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Uh-huh

(affirmative).

MR. LAWSON: I was granted. I filed a motion

in front of my judge, to my probation officer, to talk

to her about me going on security. So she granted me to

carry my firearm as long as I'm on work hours, to stay

out of -- so I can make my hours and stuff, 40 hours a

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to do the community service and stuff. So I don't need

my eight hours anymore if I can stick to this in-house

doing service for that month.


you've got a video that you want to show us, also, or is

it because he was in the other video?

MR. SALADINO: So the videos just show the way

we train folks and using that whole detaining somebody,

where the Metro police ends up releasing them, because

it's only a trespass.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.

MR. SALADINO: So it just, the evidence was to

show how the abuse of power and not understanding what a

security personnel is supposed to do. That's what that

was for.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I have a quick question.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, please ask.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So. Okay. He had a guard

card, and then there was something that happened that

triggered us to investigate, so, investigate him?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. And he had his

armed guard card. So. Okay. And then, so when he's

arrested or this has happened, did he disclosed, so

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that he had been in trouble?

MR. SALADINO: Right. But there was no reason

to, because it wasn't a renewal of the work card.


MR. SALADINO: This happened during the

five-year that it's issued.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So they don't have

any obligations as license holders to go back and say,

"Hey, I got in trouble"?

MR. SALADINO: Not as for registered work card

holders, no. Licensees will report certain things that

come up to us.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right. But as the actual

work card holder, they don't have a responsibility to do

that?

MR. SALADINO: No.



You've been here most of the day?

MR. LAWSON: Yes, since --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you know, we

don't grant work cards to anybody that's on probation or

parole?

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probation?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, even if you

have documents. I mean we've never granted a work card

to somebody on parole or probation.

MR. LAWSON: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But do you want

to run it? How long is the video?

MR. SALADINO: There's a handful of them. We

can --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm asking. I

don't think the Board needs to see them. He needs to

finish his probation or parole or work with the courts

to get it ended. Because that issue alone, we're going

to deny him.


MR. LAWSON: And they also feel, they told me I

could file a motion. But I was like, I only got three

or four months. So I just, I'll be done with it all

anyway. So I told them there's no point in filing the

motion.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What I would do

is, well, you can reapply in a year. And then we'll

hear your case then.

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mean no reason to run the video, unless the Board really

wants to see it. I don't need to see it.

Bobby?



entertain a motion.


decision of the denial for Jordenn Lawson.


a second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. As stated

before, the subject is still on probation. He can come

back and see us after a he's off probation, come back

and see us after a year.

And so I'll call for a vote. All those in

favor, state "aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The motion

carries. The decision to deny the work card is upheld.

MR. LAWSON: Do you only have these hearings

every year or something, or is it every six months?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Every three

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months?

ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: Every three months.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: But you have to wait

six months until you're off the thing.

MR. LAWSON: Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm

saying, can I do six months instead of a whole year?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: July.

MR. LAWSON: Okay. So I can come back in six

months instead of a year?


MR. LAWSON: All right. I'll do that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you

guys.

All right. Nicholas Patton.

Mr. Patton, correct?

MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're aware

you're under oath?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who's

the investigator on this one?

MR. MAXWELL: Investigator Maxwell.


have to come down, so they can hear you, please. Okay.

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Mississippi, he was charged with possession of marijuana

while operating a motor vehicle with a firearm. This

was at misdemeanor level. There's no disposition shown

on the fingerprint results. This one he did not

disclose.

However, the one that he did disclose was in

April of 2018, again out of Mississippi, violation of a

traffic ordinance, possession of marijuana with a

firearm. This was at felony level. There was no

disposition available on the fingerprint report. He did

disclose the drugs part, but the firearm portion was

found on the fingerprints. The rest was enhanced with a

firearm.

The applicant was initially made provisional.

Both arrests were found and confirmed on the fingerprint

report. But he did disclose the 2018 drug portion of

the arrest.


Mr. Patton.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Basically, you

disclosed three out of four things. So we want to hear

your side of the story.

MR. PATTON: I was arrested for marijuana with

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so they did a search. So they searched and found the

firearm. I went to a lot of jail for that. I bailed

out, got a court date, went to court. They basically

just wanted me to pay a fine. So I paid the fine.

And then the same thing happened like maybe two

years later. I got pulled over, smelled marijuana, just

pulled me over, searched, found the firearm there, too.

So I, basically, went through the same thing with that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Why

didn't you disclose both arrests?

MR. PATTON: Disclose, as in put both of them

down?


MR. PATTON: Well, it was the same thing. So I

was figuring that it was the same arrest. Both of them

was marijuana, firearm. So I just put one.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, but you

didn't put down about the firearm.

MR. PATTON: Well, I initially thought I had

put the firearm and not put the marijuana. I thought I

had put the firearm, that I did put it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The other thing

is, is we're talking only about a year and a half ago

when this happened. So where are you living now?

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been moving out here trying to start some work, security

work. So I've been out here for like -- I came out here

early to apply for the thing, apply for the PILB. So

I've been here like three or four months.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what are you

doing for work right now?

MR. PATTON: I work at Old Town Marquee. I do

security there. I was doing security, started like

doing security on Vanguard and Fremont. That's when I

needed my PILB card to do that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'll let the

Board speak for themselves. But I've got two issues.

One is the failure to disclose. And the other one is

it's only a year and a half. And it's not necessarily

the marijuana. It's the fact of marijuana and the gun.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The gun, that's

the issue before the Board, not necessarily the

marijuana.

MR. PATTON: Okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What kind of gun

was that? I'm just curious.

MR. PATTON: It was my personal firearm. It

was a PT809 Taurus gun, sir.

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you now?

MR. PATTON: No, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Did you

smoke any pot today?




BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you a convicted

felon?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you gone to court

for this last one, the 18?


BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What happened in court?

MR. PATTON: I went to court. And, I think, it

was a fine. They just simply, they just really want you

to pay a fine.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What happened?

MR. PATTON: But, I think, on the firearm, they

took it.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How many firearms do

you own now?

MR. PATTON: Maybe six or seven.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's just still kind of

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else.

MR. PATTON: I was just --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, here, sir. Okay.

It's Nevada, and you can end up in a lot more trouble

here than just a fine. So just to remind you, you have

to make sure you know the laws where you're staying.

MR. PATTON: Yes, sir. Well, I'm aware of the

laws in Mississippi, was no firearm, no can have the

marijuana and firearm together.



questions?

All right. I'll entertain a motion from the

Board.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion.

Because it's only been maybe 18, maybe 20 months, it's

less than two years since his last firearm violation,

I'll make a motion to uphold the denial for Nicholas

Patton, who appealed the registration.



I have a second. Any discussion?

Okay. You understand that we find that the

arrest 20 months ago was too soon to getting your card?

MR. PATTON: Yes.



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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can reapply

within a year, provided how the vote goes.

So I'll call for a vote. All those in favor of

the motion to deny the appeal, state "aye."



The motion carries. Appeal denied. All right.

You'll be able to reapply within a year. Heed my

friend's advice in terms of figure out what the laws are

in Nevada in terms of firearms. And guns and drugs

don't mix, whether they're legal or no legal. All

right?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Have

a good day.

MR. PATTON: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Joseph Mumford.

Yes. You?

MR. DODSON: No, I'm Van Dodson. I'm the last

one in the room.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, there's a

young lady, there's a couple people behind you. Well, I

still got two more. Let's see what happens.

MR. DODSON: All right.

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dying to go.

Joseph Huizar.

MR. DODSON: I'm hungry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Van Dodson.

MR. DODSON: I'm aware I'm under oath.


I've got a feeling, sir, that you're going to brighten

up the day for me.

MR. DODSON: You know what, I sure hope so.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Let

me find you here.

MR. DODSON: But I'm going to let you know

right now, when I was working, I don't hate people, I

don't argue with people. I'm an old man. If you start

yelling at me, I'll walk away and call 9-1-1. I'm not

fighting nobody. My job is to observe and report and

not touch people.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We got all kinds

of charges. Let's talk about those. All right.

So, Mr. Maxwell, this is yours, correct?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. It's

your time.

MR. MAXWELL: Okay. So January of 2008, in

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was charged at the felony level. The applicant received

nine months jail with credit for 47 days for time

served, and 18 months probation. He did disclose it on

the application. But this was disclosed as a

misdemeanor.

In 1995, out of California, grand theft of

money, labor, property. This was an unknown whether it

was misdemeanor or worse. This is a wobbler. He did

not disclose, but he did --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What's a wobbler?

MR. MAXWELL: A wobbler could go either way.

It could go as misdemeanor or felony.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's an English

term?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: No.

MR. MAXWELL: No, it's a legal term.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Really? It's a

legal term, a wobbler?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do we have them

in Nevada? Where was I here in criminal law in the

academy when we talked about a wobbler?

MR. DETMER: It's a part of negotiations when

it comes to processing the criminal offenses, so.

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You've never heard of

that?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I love sitting

on this board, because I get educated.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm learning all the

time.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Nevada just keeps

paying me back. Thank you.

MR. MAXWELL: No, wobbler means something

totally different in the UK.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Something that we

don't want to put on the record?

MR. MAXWELL: Absolutely not.


MR. MAXWELL: Okay. So the applicant did

complete the diversion program for the theft charge in

1995.

In the November of 1995, also in California,

second-degree burglary, forged name on access card.

This was at misdemeanor level. Five days jail, two

years probation. This was not disclosed.

May of '96, also out of California, petty theft

at misdemeanor level. He was released to another

jurisdiction on a warrant. This was not disclosed.

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theft of merchandise at misdemeanor level. The

disposition was shown as convicted with probation and

jail. There was no terms given on the report. This was

not disclosed.

1997, out of California, theft, misdemeanor.

Probation was reinstated. This was not disclosed.

2002, out of California, false check at an

unknown level, a hundred 80 days jail, three years

probation. This is also a wobbler. This was not

disclosed.

2004, possession of a controlled substance and

paraphernalia at misdemeanor level, two days jail, three

years probation, not disclosed.

The applicant was originally made provisional.

Only the first arrest was disclosed and verified with

the fingerprint report. All other arrests were found on

the fingerprint report.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. This

would have been easier for me if you would have

disclosed all these. But you only disclosed one out of

all of the above. So it's your time to explain to me.

What the heck happened?

MR. DODSON: Well, let's see. I was a roaming

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MR. DODSON: And I missed -- and it's my own

fault. I don't blame them. But the last breaking

thing, 13 years ago, when I went to court, the judge

said, "We're dropping this to a" -- to a -- what's just

under, what's that one just under?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Misdemeanor.

MR. DODSON: A little higher.

MR. MAXWELL: Gross mis.

MR. DODSON: Yeah, he said, "We're going to do

this as a gross misdemeanor." I was under the

impression that that's what I was convicted of. That's

the only reason why I did that.

Another thing I messed up in, because I can't

see worth nothing, you know. You know, war does that to

a man. You know, I thought it was 10 years. That's

why. I mean and that's my own fault. All right.

If you look at these, this time frame, I stayed

out of trouble. I don't drink. I don't drink no more.

I just want to be a good daddy to my kids.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I understand

that. All right. And like I said, before we started, I

said this would have been easy for me if you would have

disclosed this stuff. You didn't disclose it. So what

I'm hearing you say is that you didn't think you needed

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Did I hear you correctly?

MR. DODSON: Because I misread the app.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I know the

app doesn't say that, but, because I've seen it myself.

MR. DODSON: I know.


been doing since 2004?

MR. DODSON: Staying out of trouble and

working.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where do you

work, sir?

MR. DODSON: Well, I was at the Peppermill for

almost like, you know, actually six years. And then I

moved out here for my kids, because their momma was

roaming. I set the goal. I moved down here. I've been

at 7-Eleven, probably do two days a week, three days,

you know. And I stayed out of trouble. And I'm not

drinking. I'm not messing with drugs. And if you give

me a chance, like I said, if I could stay out of trouble

this long, I'm done with it. The only thing that

matters to me are those two little mouths I got to feed.


MR. DODSON: That's all I care about. Because

at the end of the day, when the rest of the world turned

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a living. Right now, we're living in a shoe box. And

I'm scared to say this, because I don't know that you

all won't go call CPS on me. I'm doing the best I can.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I believe

you're doing the best you can. My issue is you didn't

disclose. All right. I'll see if the Board has got

other questions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How old are you since

you --

MR. DODSON: Seven 13. Their mama was a drug

addict. And I had to step up and be a man. That's why

I stopped all that nonsense.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The year total?

MR. DODSON: Yeah. And I got them from their

momma. Momma likes to smoke meth.


questions?

I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: From your statement,

you know, I'd love to, you know, give you that hand up

and other things like that. But you didn't disclose,

all these things you didn't disclose. And the reasons

you're giving are just not all that good. We do the

same for everybody. And, you know, I'm just trying to

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MR. DODSON: Well, I --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where would you go to

work, where would you go to work if you are granted this

work card?

MR. DODSON: The company security is saying as

soon as I clear this, I can go to work tomorrow. All I

got to do is go over there and show them that I cleared

it up. For 13 years, I've displayed nothing but being

good. I won't even jaywalk. I don't drink. I mean

that should speak for itself. I'm not -- I've made

mistakes. Okay. Nobody's without sin. You know,

but --

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Can I ask a quick

question? Not to interrupt you. Sorry, but.

MR. DODSON: That's okay.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Where are you working

right now?

MR. DODSON: Well, I get one day a week at

7-Eleven.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: 7-Eleven. Okay.

MR. DODSON: And he's -- yeah, I get one day.

You know, we live from place to place to place. Those

kids go to school. They don't bother nobody. They're

good kids. And I don't feel much like I'm bad right

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me. And I can't give them nothing for Christmas. And I

got a --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have any other

income?

MR. DODSON: No. No.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It bothers me about not

disclosing. But the time and distance on that helps me

out a little bit, okay, a little bit better.

But I'll make a motion --

MR. DODSON: I won't let you down.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- to overturn the

denial for Mr. Van Dodson.


have a motion to overturn. Do I have a second?



discussion?




Nay. The motion passes two to one.

MR. DODSON: So I can go right out and then go

to work?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Slow down. Slow down.

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appeal has been granted. All right. Work with the

investigator, get your work card. Good luck.

Hopefully, we'll never see you again, or if we do, it's

only for good things.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Merry Christmas.

MR. DODSON: Thank you. I won't let you all

down. So maybe I can work. Thank you, folks. Merry

Christmas.

MR. MAXWELL: Merry Christmas.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. That

was interesting.

Your name again, ma'am?

MS. REED: Rochelle Reed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Come on down.

Rochelle Reed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell.

MR. MAXWELL: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Go ahead. It's

all yours.

MR. MAXWELL: June of 2007, out of California,

the applicant was charged with felony burglary.

Disposition was three years probation, one day jail.

This was the reason for denial. The arrest history was

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In September of 2007, out of California, felony

burglary, three years probation, 180 days jail, not

disclosed. Arrest history was submitted after denial

was issued.

January of 2008, out of California,

second-degree burglary. This was unknown. No

disposition was available on the fingerprint report.

This was not disclosed.

March of 2009, out of California, burglary at

an unknown level. No disposition available on the

fingerprint report. This was not disclosed.

November 2009, out of California, probation

violation, rearrest and revoke. This was unknown level.

No disposition available on the fingerprint report.

This was not disclosed.

2011, out of California, burglary at an unknown

level. Again, no disposition available on the

fingerprint report. This was not disclosed.

The applicant was initially made provisional.

She did not disclose on the application form, however

did provide an arrest history form after the denial was

received. All arrests were found on the fingerprint

report.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Ms. Reed, do you

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MS. REED: Yes, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The first

question I have, what were you burglarizing, homes, or

were you shoplifting?

MS. REED: No. I had walked in with somebody.

I was with somebody. And she went in to go and

shoplift. But I was not with her while she was

shoplifting. I was with -- it shows me walking out the

door. We walked in together.


That's fine on this one. All right. What about the

other four or five times?

MS. REED: Burglary.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You've been

arrested a bunch of times.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I've been thinking because

it's violation. But as for that, I only got in trouble

one time, with that burglary, because of me walking in.

That's why I'm shocked. Because all these burglaries, I

haven't been in trouble like that, back to back to back

for burglary. Going in and robbing, I don't do. I'm

confused right now when it comes to four or five

burglaries.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I've got one

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and I got five arrests for burglary.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, different

dates.

MS. REED: Like I said --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell.

MR. MAXWELL: We're just confirming now, sir.

MS. REED: Because when I talked to -- when I

went in to talk to Paul, I believe his name is, that's

the one he brought up, is the 2007. That's when I got

in trouble. And she ended up going on a highway --


MS. REED: -- pursuit with that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So, according to

you, all the arrests are one time?

MS. REED: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All the other

entries is because you were having trouble with your

probation or --

MS. REED: Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- not showing

up?

MS. REED: No, it was I had got -- I was living

in a complex.


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apartment, if you're on probation or parole or anything,

you get sweeped up with that. And that's what I got

sweeped up with. But I haven't been in trouble.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. How long

have you been living in Nevada?

MS. REED: Three years, sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 30 years?

MS. REED: No, three years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, three years.

And what are you doing for employment?

MS. REED: At first, I was working -- I do

hair. And I was working with day care. I was watching

my friends' kids.


MS. REED: They were paying me like that. And

then, before they denied me, I was doing security.

MR. MAXWELL: Sir, if I may?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, you may.

MR. MAXWELL: It looks like arrests one and two

are linked.


MR. MAXWELL: So they're part of the same

arrest procedure.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Got that.

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2009. That was a probation violation rearrest to where

they were revoking the probation.

MR. MAXWELL: Yes.


MR. SALADINO: And then 2011 is a totally

separate, standalone, by itself, arrest with no

disposition, meaning they probably didn't prosecute on

that one.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So the original incident

happened on?

MR. SALADINO: June 25th of '07.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And she was on probation

for how long?

MR. SALADINO: It looked like it was supposed

to be 36 months. Then there was a rearrest.

MS. REED: 2010.

MR. SALADINO: The January of '08.


MR. SALADINO: And then March of '09 --

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So that arrest was --

MR. SALADINO: That was second-degree burglary.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So that was for

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MR. SALADINO: And then it looks like the '09

one, where it's just a count of burglary, was linked to

the probation violation. And then the November 17 was

the probation violation rearrest to revoke the

probation. So '07, and then we got three years, so that

would take us to 2010. There was a rearrest in '09.


MR. SALADINO: Then 2011, it's a standalone

arrest.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And 17, which was an

arrest because of the '11, 2011.

MR. SALADINO: November of 17, November 17 of

2009.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Oh, okay.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: She was arrested

in November in?

MR. SALADINO: '09.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: '09?

MR. SALADINO: Yes.

MS. REED: Can I say something?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I got that here.

Okay. So no police contact since '11 with an arrest?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But she didn't

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MR. MAXWELL: No, sir.

MS. REED: It was -- okay. My felony for -- I

always thought it was fraud. When I went to go talk to

the PI, he told me it was burglary. From what I --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. My

question to you is, why didn't you disclose? I mean

even if you told me right now that you disclosed for

sitting in school, I would say, okay, you disclosed

something. You didn't disclose anything. So all is I'm

hearing is excuses.

MS. REED: No, I'm not --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And my question

is, why didn't you disclose any of these arrests?

MS. REED: Because I figured because it was so

long, I read the paper, and it said 10 years.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where did you --

MS. REED: 10 years or longer. On the

application, when I put in the application.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Our application

has never said 10 years or longer.

MS. REED: So that's why I didn't put it,

because it was in two thousand --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Did you hear what

I said? Our application has never had a time period on

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MS. REED: You're right. But I thought it said

the last 10 years or --

MR. MAXWELL: There's no time limit on it.


could --

MS. REED: Okay. That's my mistake. That's my

mistake.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Well,

you didn't even disclose one thing. The gentleman

before you at least disclosed some things. But you

didn't disclose anything.

So I'll see what the Board does. What I have

normally done is request that you come back again and

fill out the application correctly.

MS. REED: Within a year, sir?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: In a year. One

of my biggest issues right now is the fact you said that

you read it and it said only the last 10 years. I know

what the application says. There's no time limit on

that. So you couldn't have read our application.

Anyway, I'm done. Does the Board got any other

questions?

I'll entertain a motion.


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discussion?

So, for the record, you didn't disclose

anything. And you didn't fill out the application

correctly. But we will allow you to come back within a

year, fill out the application correctly. You know

everything you need to disclose.

MS. REED: Right.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we'll see

what happens then. We do have time and distance. We

just don't have the actual information.

So that said, I have a motion. I have a

second. No further discussion. All those in favor,

state "aye."


ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: Any opposed?

Okay. The appeal is denied.

All right. We got a bunch of them trailed. So

I need to call them for the record.

MR. INGRAM: Is there anybody in the north at

all?

MS. KLEMME: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: There's nobody

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call them, I could just do a block vote, right?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We don't have

anybody. Oh, we got a yes. I got a yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I stopped talking.


going to do a block vote. And my motion is that the

following will be denial of their appeals.

And, Kevin, why don't you call that as you see

it, what's on here.

MR. INGRAM: Sure. I have item number 53 on

the agenda, item number 55, item number 57, 58, 64, 69,

70, 73 and 74.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That is correct

on my sheet, also. So that's the motion. And those

that -- we're going to do a block vote that we will deny

their appeals. Do I have a motion?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Or a second?


a second? I made the motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second whatever you

said.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I third.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion,

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No other discussion. All those in favor, state

"aye."



The motion carries.

All right. Do we have any other business

today?

MR. INGRAM: No. That concludes our business

for today. We will start with the number 75

disciplinary hearing tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m., same

place.


you up north, look forward to seeing you tomorrow.

MR. INGRAM: Do you want to do one more call

for public comment?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, I'm sorry.

Nobody go. Any other public, is there any public

comment at the end of the day today? Anybody want to

say anything?

All right. Does anybody up north want to say

anything?

Thank you. Have a good day. We're adjourned.

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WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2019, 9:17 A.M.

-oOo-

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. This

is the meeting of the Private Investigators Licensing

Board for the State of Nevada. Today is the 11th of

December, approximately 9:15 a.m.

And we will start. Mr. Ingram, can we do a

roll call?

MR. INGRAM: Absolutely. Acting Chair Raymond

Flynn?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Nixon?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Gronauer?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Here.

MR. INGRAM: We have a quorum.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a quorum.

All right. Reference public comment. Members

of the general public may comment on matters appearing

on the agenda and may bring matters not appearing on the

agenda to the attention of the Board. The Board may

discuss the matters not appearing on the agenda but may

not act on the matters at this meeting. If the Board

desires, the matters may be placed on a future agenda

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minutes per person at the discretion of the Chairman but

will not be restricted according to viewpoint.

In addition to public comment being taken at

the beginning and the end of the meeting, public comment

may be accepted after each agenda item prior to the

Board taking action. However, prior to the commencement

and conclusion of a contested case or a quasi-judicial

proceeding that may affect the due process rights of an

individual, the Board will not consider public comment

pursuant to NRS 233B.126.

And, I believe, both of ours are quasi-judicial

today, correct, or do we have anything non?

MR. INGRAM: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So,

to start off with, is there any public comment this

morning?

Okay. And we don't have any up north. So.

All right. Mr. Ingram, what's our first agenda

item this morning?

MR. INGRAM: All right. So items number 75 and

76, we're waiting on a couple of individuals to show.

So if we could trail those two items and jump into item

number 77.


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of Citation 1-0007-19 to the Board pursuant to NRS

648.165. For possible action.

MR. INGRAM: So item number 77, the Attorney

General's Office has attempted to serve Mr. Mitchell on

three different occasions, to no avail. We cannot prove

that he was ever served.

So with that respect, we really can't take

action on him. Nor can we move forward with collecting

on a citation. So right now, we pretty much have to let

it be the way it is. If he comes back into Nevada and

conducts unlicensed activity again, at that time, we

could take action.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And as we

discussed earlier, in the interim, well, let's find out

what state we believe he is residing in, and contact

that local licensing authority and let them know the

situation we have.

MR. INGRAM: Absolutely. We'll do that.


Since there's been no action or vote, so we'll move on

to the next item.

MR. INGRAM: So item number 78 is a review,

discussion and possible approval of the Settlement

Agreement and Release in the matters of Gallian Welker &

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Nevada, Office of the Attorney General, PILB, and ESI

Security Services, and ESI Security Services vs. PILB,

Cross-Claim, Case Number A-18-782763-C. For possible

action.

MR. DETMER: And good morning. Mike Detmer,

for the record, from the Attorney General's Office.

This agenda item, as Director Ingram has

expressed, is for the possible review, discussion and

possible approval of the Settlement Agreement, the cause

of which is a civil complaint that was filed against

multiple parties, including the Board.

We can go on to this matter on the record. But

if the Board feels like it would benefit from a closed

session discussion, I can give additional background

information in a closed session.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, I would like

that.

MR. DETMER: So if the court -- court. If the

Board would like to go into a closed session, we can go

off record, and we would excuse the public, and we could

have that discussion.


go into closed session. The public's excused. We'll

call you when we're ready.

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(At 9:23 a.m., a closed session began, and a discussion

was held off the record. Present were the members of

the Board, Mr. Detmer, Mr. Ingram and Mr. Saladino. At

9:42 a.m., the meeting was then opened back up to the

public and resumed as follows.)

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We just

finished our closed session. And let's proceed.

MR. DETMER: Good morning. We're back on the

record on agenda item 78. This is Mike Detmer from the

Attorney General's Office, for the record.

As said before, this is for review, discussion

and possible approval of the settlement, of the

Settlement Agreement and Release in the matters of

Gallian Welker & Beckstrom, et cetera, et cetera. This

has been previously mentioned as far as the actual

agenda item. I won't keep on reciting it. We just got

back from a closed session in which we discussed the

instant litigation.

In summary of this matter, as stated before,

this is a civil complaint that was filed by plaintiffs

Raelene Palmer, Gallian Welker, the law firm of Gallian

Welker & Beckstrom against multiple defendants,

including the Nevada Attorney General's Office, the

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Services.

And in very brief summary of the facts, circa

2015, administrative disciplinary proceedings were

initiated against the licensee, ESI Security Services,

by Raelene Palmer on behalf of the Board while she was

employed by the Nevada Attorney General's Office. In

the course of these proceedings, Ms. Palmer left the

Attorney General's Office, left the Attorney General's

office but continued to, was allowed to continue to

participate in the administrative proceedings since the

prosecution thereof.

The civil complaint seeks -- and, again, this

is in very brief summary. The civil complaint seeks

damages asking for restitution for the services provided

for prosecution of this, of the ESI proceedings. It's

important to note that after the complaint was filed,

ESI Security Services answered the complaint, along with

a cross-claim seeking equitable indemnity against the

Private Investigators Licensing Board.

With that, I would submit. I'm happy to answer

any questions the Board may have. This is for

discussion, review and possible action on approval of

the Settlement Agreement. If the Board does approve the

Settlement Agreement, it would be appreciated if the

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the Board does not approve, then we can go into further

discussion as far as where to go from here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Me

personally, I thought we were thoroughly briefed. I

don't know, does anybody have any questions?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I do not.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: None.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And,

then, in that case, I'll call for a motion.


that we accept the Settlement Agreement.





further discussion?





Okay. The motion carried. Thank you.

MR. DETMER: Thank you, Board.


next item?

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Reid, are you ready for --



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MR. REID: Can we do Alfonso Redic at this

point?

MR. INGRAM: I'm sorry?

MR. REID: Can we do Alfonso Redic, the next

one, now?

MR. INGRAM: Sure.


this yours?

MR. SALADINO: Just the denial part of this,

yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Give us a

summary.

MR. SALADINO: So the applicant applied on

October 30th of '19. His application was denied because

of the three outstanding unlicensed activity citations.

They're dated January 14th of 2019, January 16th of

2019, and March 21st of 2019. I believe, he has entered

into a payment plan. I'll defer to Investigator

Swarthout for that information.

MR. SWARTHOUT: The applicant has entered into

a payment plan.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You've got to

speak up.

MR. SWARTHOUT: Mr. Redic has entered into a

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the Board. I can provide copies to the Board if they so

need to see it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Remind me what

the fine was.

MR. SWARTHOUT: So he entered a payment plan on

the three citations. The first one was 2,500. The

second one was 5,000. And the third one was 10,000.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And when

will this all be paid up based on the schedule?

MR. SWARTHOUT: The payment plan is set for one

year. And then it would be renegotiated at the end of

that year.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Renegotiated

what, continue payments?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Continue payments.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you guys are

good with this?

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Redic came into our office

with his counsel, Mr. Reid. And we discussed a payment

plan. He provided a down payment of 1,500, 500 per

citation as a down payment. And then we have him set up

on $300 a month thereafter, to be renegotiated at the

end of a one-year period of time. He is under the

understanding that if he pays it off sooner, obviously,

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MR. INGRAM: And it is something that we

entered into voluntarily.


what is the -- just to remind the Board here, what is

the status of his work card?

MR. SWARTHOUT: He does not have one at this

time.


MR. INGRAM: I'll give you a little bit more of

an overview, if I may. Mr. Redic was a party to another

unlicensed activity citation that was given to another

individual. He was working with a group of individuals

one night. And the other individual spoke to Mr. Redic

and said, "You need to make things right with the

Board."

So Mr. Redic came in, and he said he wanted to

make things right with the Board. He didn't understand

the severity of the occurrences, wanted to get things

right, wanted to go ahead and apply for a work card so

that he could continue working legally for a licensed

holder. I discussed with him and his attorney that I

can't grant that, that that would be something that

would have to be approved by the Board, for him to move

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us. But if he wanted to enter into the payment plan and

apply for a work card, I explained to him that we would

deny him that day, which we did, and that he would have

the opportunity to appeal to the Board to assist him and

continue his payment plan.


MR. INGRAM: That's all.


then, looking at the package here, there's no criminal

history for Mr. Redic, right, not even a traffic ticket,

that we know of?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. Okay. All

right. Mr. Redic, do you or your counsel have anything

you want to say?

Do we need to do oath?

MR. DETMER: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So

everybody needs to do an oath before.

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Plant, do you want to go ahead

and stand, so we can swear you in at the same time?

MR. DETMER: And for those who are going to

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were sworn/affirmed.)

MR. DETMER: Thank you.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Reid, do you

have any questions, anything you want to say to us?

MR. REID: Sure. This is Stephen Reid, counsel

for Alfonso Redic.

Members of the Board, this was a

misunderstanding from my client, from several clients

here. They've been employed for, I know, for many

years. They were not under the notion that they needed

to have this license. They were not aware about this.

He got the first one. Twice, the same. The

second one, that's when he came to my office. He wasn't

actually aware of the third one until he went to,

actually went to the Director's office and they detailed

that.

So he does understand that he needs his work

card, he needs the business to be licensed, and he needs

to be under a licensed person who has with the PILB

Board, and to make sure that he is doing everything he

needs to do safely and adequately and has the correct

training, and that he's not doing what he was doing

before. Because his employment terminated, and he just

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realizes what's going on. And that's why we both, that

we came to the Executive Director's office and came to

this path, this planned payment, and to get on the right

track.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Anything you want

to say?

MR. REDIC: Pretty much he summed up

everything. I was unaware of the whole process. So I'm

aware. We sat down with Kevin, and he explained

everything. And I'm pretty much up on it now.

MR. REID: And the Executive Director spent

almost two hours with us going through a lot of

different details. And so, and, I think, it hit home

exactly how intense and difficult these processes are.

But, once again, if he's able to get his work

card, he does want to find a licensed person to work

under and work with so that he can be employed by that

person. Right now, he's working as a security at Crazy

Horse.

MR. REDIC: Crazy Horse.

MR. REID: And so he wants to, he wants to move

away from that and work with someone.


working full-time now?

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Part-time.

That's your only employment right now?

MR. REDIC: Only employment, yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How long have you

lived in Nevada?

MR. REDIC: I'm from here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you're from

here?

MR. REDIC: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't have

anything else.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I just want to be clear.

So all of this information, all that -- okay. So, with

that.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just need a

clarification, also, and even -- and you could give him

a work card or grant him a work card, because you can't.

But did he reapply for a work card?

MR. INGRAM: He applied at that time. When he

came in to discuss the payment plan with me, I explained

the process for a work card, that he needed to get one.

So he applied that day. We denied him that day.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So he didn't have a work

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And my other

question, yeah, so what's this process now? If we, if

we, the Board, agrees on this agreement for payment,

what's this, where are we at with his work card, to do?

MR. INGRAM: Today you're making a decision on

whether you're going to uphold the denial or if you're

going to grant him his work card. If you do grant him

his work card, he'll have a work card this afternoon.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The payment

plan's already been set.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: My biggest thing is I

want to make sure. And I'm doing the motion. Okay.

Oh, I'm doing the motion.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So

just so we have clarification, especially for the

record, Mr. Redic was engaged in unlicensed activity and

received citations for that, has admitted to the

unlicensed activity, and he's making payments, and a

payment plan that you're agreeable with?

MR. INGRAM: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We told

him that he needs to be licensed to continue with his

profession. So he has applied for a work card. Because

of the status, and you didn't have the authority to give

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MR. INGRAM: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So he's here

doing everything we've asked him to do to make his

activity legal, plus paying the fine for the unlicensed

activity.

So I will entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion.

Gronauer. I'll make a motion that -- we are in entering

him with the payment plan. So I'm making a motion,

that's knowing the back story here, that Mr. Redic be

granted a work card at this time.


motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'd like to just add

one amendment to it. But with this situation, that he

continues to pay and we follow through with it.

MR. REID: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, and that's

a question for counsel. Can we, if he was to fall

behind on payments or choose not to make any more

payments, could we hold his card, then, for disciplinary

reasons?

MR. DETMER: Does your regulations and statute

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condition that he maintain payments, or something to

that effect?

MR. INGRAM: There's nothing in the statute

that says that. However, traditionally, the Board has

been given the ability to set conditions on work cards.

The example I'll give you, that has happened several

times with the Board, is an individual who's a peace

officer who wants to get a work card to only do mystery

shopping. The Board has granted on three separate

occasions a work card that could only be used for

mystery shopping and cannot be used for any other types

of security. The Board has granted conditions before.

But we don't have a statute that specifically says that.

MR. DETMER: I have read opinions that have

said that, that is, the ability to lay conditions is

inherent to the ability to issue a license specifically.

But, I think, that might be parallel with word cards.

MR. REID: And if I may, from my review of the

rules, is that there's no rule saying that you can't do

it. So there's no reason why you can't do it. So

there's no reason why you can't do it.

So I've spoken to my client and have explained

that if the Board does decide that he's complied and

he's making the payments, that there will be no issues.

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he were not making the payments, then he could go on the

next Board here on an agenda item to say, "Go forth with

action. He's not making the payments like he's supposed

to," and his card would be suspended at that point.

And my client understands that, and he does

want to continue to pay it so he can keep his work card.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, it's not on

discussion of this motion of mine.

MR. REID: Sorry.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There's no discussion

of it. I understood from the beginning that in a year,

we're to review it. So that may give some standing at

that point.

MR. REID: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The standing at that

point, if he doesn't follow through, and a year later we

look at it again, and we can do whatever we might be

able to do at that time.

MR. DETMER: Right.

MR. INGRAM: Well, the other thing that's

outlined in the payment plan is that if he defaults,

that we can move forward with collections through the

Controller's Office. The Controller's Office passed a

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the State of Nevada, that the Controller's Office can

mandate that the licensing board that issued the card

could revoke. But that's without due process.


MR. INGRAM: So there's a lot of different

things in place that would present us from falling into.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because they were

involved.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you want to

add to your motion that we'll get a status update in one

year?

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Add on to the motion

that we will get a status update in one year.


Do I have a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll second.


further discussion?

All in favor, say "aye."




MR. REID: Thank you very much.

MR. REDIC: Thank you.




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MR. INGRAM: It looks like we can move forward

with item number 75, Mr. Adam Plant.


number 75, the continuation of the disciplinary hearing

for Adam Plant, R-085960, pursuant to NRS 648.156. For

possible action.

Good morning.

MR. PLANT: Good morning.

MR. REID: Good morning. Stephen Reid for the

respondent in this case, Mr. Plant.

MS. BORDELOVE: I'm Rosalie Bordelove, on

behalf of the Board.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Can you guys hear

Rosalie?

MS. BORDELOVE: I'll move down.

(There was a minute off the record.)

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Do

you want to state it again, to make sure she got it?

MS. BORDELOVE: Sure. I'm Rosalie Bordelove,

for the Board.


MS. BORDELOVE: I think, I can start here, or.

MR. REID: We started at the last hearing,

which was a few months ago now, but that the last

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However, it's been some months, so we agreed that she

would summarize her closing, or she wouldn't do the

whole closing again, because we were before the Board

just a few months ago. I understand you guys have the

transcripts from the last. However, those are best, but

because of the time, that she had some more time to

explain to you her closing.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sure. I mean I

don't have an issue. Kevin sent us the transcripts, and

he ordered us to read it on our weekend, but.

MS. BORDELOVE: I'm going to be pretty brief.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You take, you do

what you need to do.

MS. BORDELOVE: I plan to be pretty brief,

because I do know you have the transcript. And I had a

chance to review what happened last time. And I had at

the last hearing given the closing. Mr. Reid had begun

his closing and then was cut off because we lost our

remote part and our stenographer, and so we had to end

the meeting then. So I'm just going to summarize pretty

briefly.

At the last hearing, I showed to you that the

respondent here had five unlicensed activity citations

between August of 2018 and January of 2019. He had a

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the Board gave him a licensing application and explained

some of the issues. And so I'm just going to kind of

remind of those facts and what we had gone through, and

remind you of the two applicable statutes we're looking

at here. NRS 648.060 is the provision that was violated

with the unlicensed activity. And NRS 648.156 is the

provision regarding his registered work card.

Revocation is kind of the only option you're

given. It's not as broad as it is for anything you can

do on licensees. However, it is a permit that is your

choice whether or not to revoke. And it's that the

Board may revoke upon a finding that that work card

holder has violated a provision of the chapter. And so

it's up to the Board today whether that's something they

want to do.

Since our last hearing, Mr. Plant has entered

into a payment plan with the Board on the citations. He

is current on that payment plan. I think, either, 1,800

or 2,100 has been paid towards it. But he is current on

payments. So I'm not positive which payment we're at

right now at this time. But I'm sure Mr. Ingram can

update you on that if you would like. But he is current

on the payment plan that he entered into with the Board.

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the facts and then make a decision of what you'd like to

do.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Kevin, do you

want to tell us what the -- finalize where we're at?

MR. INGRAM: Absolutely. So Mr. Plant, as

counsel had said, originally had two citations that were

unpaid that went to the Controller's Office for

collection. He's in a payment plan with the

Controller's Office, I believe, on those two outstanding

citations that were already referred to the Controller.

We cannot take payment for that.

The three outstanding citations, for the total

of $30,000, is what he is currently in a payment plan

for, similar to that that we discussed with Mr. Redic.

On October 25th, he gave us a down payment for the $500

per citation, 1,500. He made his payment in November on

time in the amount of 300. And he actually came into

the office yesterday and paid an additional 300 not due

until December 25th.

So he is on track and his payments are

up-to-date. In our discussion with Mr. Plant, he

assured me that he wants to get it paid off sooner than

later and asked if there was any penalty for him to make

extra payments or, quote, prepay the outstanding amount.

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prepayment.

He also is in an agreement for a period of one

year. At that time, based on his income, we would

renegotiate the payments. He feels that if he's granted

his work card and can continue to work and make more

money, that that's how he can pay more towards the

citation. And, again, we would just renegotiate it in a

year or previous to that if you so chose.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So right

now, I mean, without getting out a calculator, we're

talking about nine years at $300 a month to pay

everything off?

MR. INGRAM: Correct.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do you

know how much went to the Controller's Office?

MR. INGRAM: I do not know that. Do one of

you?

MR. SWARTHOUT: Two citations. The first one

was 2,500. The second one was 5,000. So that's 7,500.

MR. INGRAM: How much is he paying?

MR. SWARTHOUT: I do not know that.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I can --

Mr. Reid, you're asking a question?

MR. REID: I'm asking my client how much he's

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm

curious.

MR. PLANT: Yes. Recently, I mailed out two

$20 payments. You know, and the reason why they were

that low is because when I mailed off a payment before,

they said it was the wrong office. And I even came by.

When I made my payment for the citations here in Vegas,

I asked them, you know, to give me the correct address

so I can know, if I'm behind on those other two

payments, I can get those caught up. And I just, and we

just hadn't got that clarity of, you know, what's the

right address. You know, and so I will pay more when I

get that information, because I definitely want to pay

on all these citations.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So,

basically, you paid $40 towards 7,500?

MR. REID: No, no, he's paid -- that's his most

recent payment. He made payments prior, previously, but

they were going to -- but they were, again, deposited in

some of the payments. But there were some where he

would send them to the PILB Board on Durango. And

there's another office in Reno, Reno or Carson City.

MR. PLANT: My first two were sent there.

MR. REID: And so they got sent back. So then

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you're receiving these?"

MR. PLANT: Right.

MR. REID: And then so he can send more.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So this --

MR. PLANT: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: At the bare

minimum, to staff, at the next meeting, I want to know

how much he's paid.

MR. INGRAM: Sure.


So, anything else?

MR. REID: That's the question that was asked,

sir.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Rosalie, anything

else?

MS. BORDELOVE: No.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So it's up to --

MS. BORDELOVE: It is up to you to make -- and,

Mr. Reid, I don't know if you had any other.

MR. REID: Yeah, I have no further.

MR. BORDELOVE: I don't think he's done with

closing yet. He's got --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We got like 700

pages there. I think, he is.

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MS. BORDELOVE: Same with mine.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Mr. Reid,

go ahead.

MR. REID: So --

(There was a problem with a chair.)

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I knew I was

putting on some extra weight.

MR. INGRAM: Let's get you another chair.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The chair broke

here. We're taking like a 30-second break.

(There was a minute off the record, 10:09 a.m.)

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All safe

and sound. We're going back on the record. We're going

on the record with that explosion, just so you know.

All right. Yes.

MR. PLANT: If I could get the proper address

and place where I need to send those payments, I can

actually make a payment today.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You need to work

with one of the investigators on that. You guys can

exchange that, and they'll help you.

MR. PLANT: Well, I appreciate you offering

that, so.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Reid, the

time is yours.



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MR. REID: So I don't know how far I got on my

closing statement the last time. However, I'll just

quickly go over some issues.

I did have a legal, and I still do, I believe,

have a legal argument as to the citations were not

specific with regards to the actual action that was

carried out. However, based upon the time that's

elapsed since the last hearing and what's developed

since then, I've come to a different plan of defense,

which is the fact that my client and the previous client

actually went on TV at around six weeks ago. And it was

broadcast across the state.

And during the interview, they were being

questioned about working with Shaquille O'Neal and

working with him. And about halfway through, my clients

that are here sat there and said, "Hey" -- one of the

questions was, well, what if -- or, "How does someone

get into becoming a private security guard?" And the

question -- and just so you know, this video was

provided to the Executive Director and to Rosalie. That

question was asked. And my client answered very

specifically, said, "Hey, I just want to address

everyone," words to the effect of, "I just want to

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contact the PILB board. They have some strict measures

in place. Do not cross the path with them, like" -- he

admitted that -- "like I've done. I messed up."

What we have here is someone that really, to

some degree, needed a slap on the wrist, and he did get

that. He was -- he had done the one unlicensed

activity. He saw the piece of paper, and he came into

the Board, signed it. It was a work card, I believe it

was. And he was told how to get his license and what he

needs to do and that he needs to work under a license.

But he didn't understand that. He continued. It was

the same as the prior client, is that he was working,

and over the years he worked for Shaquille O'Neal. And

before that, it was Snoop Dogg. And so he wasn't aware

of the whole process. He wasn't aware of how serious it

was.

We've got someone now who does have a work

card, but that was, that was taken away based upon these

citations. He is in a payment plan with the

Controller's Office, but they don't have -- in my

understanding, they don't have a strict payment plan.

They just have a, "You owe this amount of money. We

want a minimum of this amount per month." I don't know

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We did enter the Executive Director's office

last month, six weeks ago, and we did sit down, and we

did discuss how much is owed on the three citations,

which is the $30,000. And he did pay 15,000 -- $1,500

down. And right now, the payment's are $300 per month.

He would like to increase that, and that's why

he's paid this extra money just yesterday, because, for

two reasons. Number one, he wants to pay more per

month. And, also, two, is that he didn't want to come

to Christmas time, and it's due on December 25th, and

him miss the payment or be a day late or whatever, to

make sure that it was on time.

We have a situation where the Board has a job

to do. And I don't want to tell you your job. But I

did actually know someone who was on the chair for a

long time, that was a friend of mine. And one of the

things he would always say to me was that his job on the

Board is to protect the public and to make sure this

isn't -- to protect and make sure that if anything

happens, if any private process server or anyone doesn't

do that, that they can come down and take their

licenses, whatever they need to do.

In this case, we've got a gentleman which he

did not know the law. He didn't know about what he was

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do and still didn't understand it. And even, too, to

this day, to a certain degree, I think, he doesn't

understand the seriousness of how to get a license. He

hasn't worked. The license still has got some questions

marks there.

But what we have is someone who's now comes

with me and says, "Yes, I messed up. I'm going to pay

this off." He's paid a substantial amount down. He's

continued to pay that amount. You determined that

earlier. He's come to the Board to say, "Hey, I would

like to work. I would like to be able to work under

your license or a work card under your license, under

your authority, that if I mess up, then you can take

that away, and that's my livelihood."

He's not someone who's here to try and cause

any problems. We know that there's the criminal case

for this case, for this actual instant from January 14th

when he was arrested for unlicensed activity. There was

a subsequent arrest, which I'm sure that that's been

made aware, and that that was, that's been dismissed

through negotiations of the charges. He did not plead

guilty. It was a -- he did plead no contest. It was a

submittal and dismissed.

And he's here to say that he messed up. He

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can be a good asset to the community.

One of the arguments I had the last time was

that the Executive Director almost like used him as a

platform, because he is one of the most recognized

bodyguards out there, and he was doing something he

shouldn't be doing. And once he got arrested, which is

the first time in, in my understanding, the history for

the PILB Board, was that it sent shock waves across the

bodyguard community. And, I believe, it was the next

day there was six to eight people came in to try and get

their licenses, try and get their work card, because

they didn't want to do what he -- what happened to him.

He went an additional step, and he went on TV

and made that very, very clear. And, I believe, the

Executive Director was happy with that, with the comment

that he made on TV to anyone, "Hey, if you want to be a

bodyguard, you need to speak to the PILB Board, and you

need to make sure you get on track with them and get

your license with them." It was very specific. It

wasn't intentional. He was invited to come to TV,

irrespective of this stuff. But when he was also

questioned, in a stricter light for him, and he said,

"No, I'm going to make sure that this gets the word

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trying to cause any issues here. He would like to go

back to work.

And if my client wants to say anything as well,

I would like him to say what he would like to say.

MR. PLANT: So just to what Mr. Reid just said,

I've learned my lesson. When I got arrested, that was

the first time ever in America in my life, and at 44, on

December 17, that I've ever been arrested. There's no

criminal history, ever. I'm a standup man. I take care

of my wife and my kids, like I said in the first

meeting.

And recently, me and my wife started a

cheesecake company. So I left that flyer for you guys,

too. So I'm really on the tail end of security, period.

We have got cheesecake over there. So I'm excited to

tell you that.

And, you know, I've learned my lesson, though.

And I just don't want any stains to my name. So,

basically, if I'm granted my card again, I don't think

I'll do security anymore. But if I do, I just want to

be in the setting that if that, if it comes across, if I

come across a client that I can work for.

But the way the business is going with me and

my wife, and which we have a license, Nevada license,

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cheesecake. And, please, if you can get some, you'll

see why I say we're the best cheesecake on earth.

So that's what I'm going, that's something to

look forward to. And like I say, I just don't want

anything on my name anymore. And like she said, when I

did get arrested, I can't tell you number of -- that's

serious, you don't want to go through that process. So

I did my job.

MR. REID: Just a bit with the cheesecake, he

did come to my office with his wife, and all licenses.

MR. PLANT: All of them.

MR. REID: But the question that came across

was, "Are we allowed to do this?" "Well, what do you

mean?" "Are we allowed to sell cheesecakes?" "Of

course, you are. You just need a business license."

And so I've explained everything to him and his wife. I

explained to him more about how to do that and what to

do. Because it was, it's a new platform for my client.

So I just can't emphasize enough is that it

wasn't anything intentional. It was just that he was --

had the conversation.

MR. PLANT: Right.

MR. REID: "I done that, but I just was kind of

disregarding it and thinking, hey, I can bury my head in

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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Real quick

question, and somebody remind me. What was the second

arrest for?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It was for solicitation.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What?

MR. REID: Solicitation.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Of prostitution?

MR. REID: Yes. Yeah, but that was dismissed.

It was that was the charge filed. But I went in front

of the court earlier, and the district attorney said

that, yeah, case dismissed.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And the other

criminal case, Zero's?

MR. INGRAM: It's set. No, the D.A. hasn't

picked it up yet.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yeah, we don't know what its

status will be at this point. I think, the next status

check is in January, and it's to determine whether the

D.A. is going to file a complaint. It's in the D.A.'s

hands.

MR. REID: And from speaking to the screening

office at the District Attorney's Office, they said

they're waiting for the PILB Board or the A.G.'s Office

to make a decision.

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the discussion. First of all, I appreciate your

attitude this morning. Now it all makes sense why you

wore that T-shirt. Because last time, you were dressed

as nicely as I was.

MR. PLANT: Yes, I was.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I do want to say

this, because, I think, I hit it on the head last time.

And I got a lot of respect with your wife. And she

agreed with me. And I agree with her. You were

thick-headed. You didn't sacrifice anything. I mean

you had plenty of chances before you got arrested. You

got arrested because you didn't take it serious. And

look what happened.

I haven't seen the video. I look forward to

somebody sending it to me. I appreciate your comments.

So. And we've got payment plans going. You're making

payments. You're looking for another avenue and

business. I do believe, if you get a card, because

you're well-known in the industry, you will still work

in the industry, maybe not as much as you did before.

But you're well-known and well-respected in the

industry.

So, but don't make any mistakes. We're here

because you didn't -- we couldn't get your attention

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Board to go the arrest route. That's why you're the

first one ever.

Okay. So. But I appreciate everything that

was said today by both you and your counsel. So I will

leave it up to my fellow Board members if they have

questions.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a statement to

make. I don't think it's so much of a question. Part

of your defense last time was that when you went for

your work card, you thought it was a license, and

something like that, you commented that you were

working, and you weren't explained that.

MR. PLANT: Right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The NRS was read to

you, and it's right here, that explained to you what a

work card is and what a license is. And you have to

understand, you will have to work for a licensed person.

The last time, not only your wife was in the audience,

but there was another gentleman. There was a gentlemen

in the audience who said that he was willing to give you

a job.

MR. PLANT: Yeah, William Whittell.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. He was sitting

over, right in front. And he said he was willing to

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MR. PLANT: Right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So I'm just saying that

I believe here that you are going to have opportunities

in the future. I don't know where we're going today

with you. Okay. We're a Board that decides in full.

But I appreciate you coming. And, I think, your wife

will appreciate it.

MR. PLANT: Well, you are more appreciative.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Let's stick with the

card and what we're here for.

MR. PLANT: Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The thing to me is if

we're on a payment plan, we got make sure the payment

plan is paid. And then, that if something happens here,

we'll have to see where we go with that, also. Okay.

But I'm just saying I'm happier here. I've

determined your attitude is much better than the last

time. You were friendly, but you were different.

MR. PLANT: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. So I appreciate

it. And I appreciate the remarks from both of you all.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah, I feel much the same

way. I think that I appreciate it. I can see that the

-- you know, again, I'm in the industry. I'm a license

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me. And one of the things that scares me the most is

people like you that don't have a license or hire other

people to work. We have people come in front of us

every day or every time we're here that do all kinds of

bad behavior, and we can't regulate it or pull their

cards from them if they don't have cards. So it becomes

an issue.

Again, I feel like it's resonated with you in a

positive way, and I appreciate that. I think, if you

would have asked me last time we met whether or not I'd

approve a license for you, I'd say absolutely not,

because you were adamant that you had not done wrong,

although you had been told, you know, three times that

you had done wrong.

MR. PLANT: Right.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I appreciate the

change. I look forward to the decision.

MR. PLANT: Thank you.



Kevin, I know you spent a lot of time on this. Anything

you want to state?

MR. INGRAM: Yeah, I'll make a couple comments.

I do agree with what the Board has said today. You and

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very clear what the expectations were, very clear what

the laws were.

MR. PLANT: Right.

MR. INGRAM: On three different occasions with

you. And, again, you just chose to go forward. Which

is very frustrating for me. And I was very

disappointed, to be honest with you. Because I feel

that you knew what the right thing to do was and that

you chose not to.

I think, the arrest was, as Mr. Reid had

stated, while it might have been the appearance that we

wanted to effect arrest on you, the reason you were

arrested is because you had five unlicensed activity

citations. We've never, in the time that I've been on

the Board, issued more than three. So I took that as,

"I don't care. I'm not going to listen to you." And it

did force our hand to move forward with Las Vegas Metro.

Okay.

In the meantime, you have had a change of

heart, I believe. You and your attorney met with me in

my office. You took responsibility for your actions, as

opposed to, "I didn't know. I didn't know." And you've

entered a payment plan.

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citation, was for you to become compliant, for you to do

things right, for you to either get a work card or work

for -- keep your work card and work for a licensed

holder and be paid by that licensed holder instead of

your clients, or to go forward with licensure. That was

the all-time goal from day one.

MR. PLANT: Right.

MR. INGRAM: Okay. So it wasn't personal. It

was business. And the actions that you chose to take

determined the actions that I have to take.

With that said, I appreciate you going into the

payment plan with me, and being current. I look forward

to renegotiating in a year, if you don't have it paid

off already. And best of luck to you.

MR. PLANT: Thank you.


Whatever the motion is, I'll be adding that there be

status checks since. And, also, next year, I would ask

that you engage in some type of negotiations to see what

the outcome, nine years, two years and another year from

now. Let's see what happens.

MR. DETMER: And, Chairman, if I may. Mike

Detmer for the record, from the Attorney General's

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And I'm sure the mechanism that the Board has to place

for adjudication of these disciplinary hearings is fine.

But just vocalizing my prior practice, when I put the

disciplinary hearing with the complaint, typically what

I see is a motion to make a determination on the

violation. Then after that is decided, go into

sentencing if a violation is found.


MR. DETMER: And I didn't mean to interrupt. I

hate to interrupt. But I wasn't sure of what the

standard practice was.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, what we

have here is a --

MR. INGRAM: It's a disciplinary.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Disciplinary

hearing.

MR. DETMER: As pointed out by --

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We've done so

many appeals, so.

MR. DETMER: I completely understand.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate you

pointing that out at the top.

MR. DETMER: And as Chief Deputy Bordelove

pointed out, as far as the sentencing, disciplinary

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It does say as far as the Board has the discretion to,

but it seems to be limited to revoke or not revoke.

But, again, it's permissible.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So what we'll be ruling on

today is to?

MR. DETMER: Two motions.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. One would be to

grant the appeal for the guard card?

MR. DETMER: My understanding, unless I'm

mistaken, is that this was charged as a complaint. So

it would be the determination as to whether or not by a

preponderance of the evidence a violation has occurred

as charged. If no violation is found, that's the end of

it. If a violation is found, but by vote, then the next

motion would be for sentencing, discipline.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Then on the appeal --

MR. INGRAM: That's different from the

citations. This was a complaint brought against him

based on the ongoing citations that his work card be

revoked.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Again, I'm kind

of confused. I understand the difference between a

hearing and the appeals. But I'm having a problem with

revoking a work card. I don't believe he has one.

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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, he does?

MR. INGRAM: The work card is suspended.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, okay. Yeah, I

guess, if it was suspended, don't have it. Okay. All

right.

MS. BORDELOVE: If it helps to clarify --

Rosalie Bordelove, for the record.

If it helps to clarify, yes, a complaint was

brought. And, I think, if you have any of the exhibits,

it should probably be one of the first exhibits to our

transcript from last time, is the complaint itself.

And so, as Mr. Detmer was saying, then you'll

make a finding of fact first, because this will set it

out to an eventual order from the Board. And so the

findings of fact. And if you want to reference the

factual allegations in the complaint, those are the ones

we went through at the last hearing.

And then you could even do this into almost

three parts. There's also a violation of law alleged in

the complaint. Basically, that is that there was, what

I've alleged is that Mr. Plant had unlicensed activity

citation, citations, violated NRS 648.060. And because

of that, he's subject to discipline, including potential

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And then kind of as a third step, the decision

would be whether or not you want to revoke his license

under that NRS.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Revoke his work

card.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: His work card.

MS. BORDELOVE: I misspoke, then, I guess.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's why we

keep getting confused.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sometimes we use

work card. Sometimes we use license.

MS. BORDELOVE: Oh, there's no licenses. That

was my mistake.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. Yeah, no

problem.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes, Mr. Plant has a work card

that is currently in suspended status. And so the

complaint on this is regarding his work card. And the

choice, the final choice you'll be making, the first

would be findings of fact, if you found that they've

been proven by a preponderance of the evidence. And if

they have, then it's whether you find that I've proved

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proven, then the question is whether or not to revoke

the work card.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you. That's

clear.

MS. BORDELOVE: And it's in suspended status

pending, essentially, this hearing. And so it's whether

to revoke the work card. Or if you choose not to revoke

it, it will come out of suspension status and he would

be permitted to work.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So then it would be

three different motions or one motion for all of it?

MS. BORDELOVE: It might be clearest to do

three, to allow either myself or Mr. Detmer to write the

order later, because there will be a written order

issued by the Board, as the basis. So that's depending

on what you decide.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So let's do this

right. I'll look for assistance on -- what do you want

us to do to the first motion?

MS. BORDELOVE: Take a look, and you can do

this as -- you need at least three. But the first can

be one, or it can be multiple. But look towards the

factual allegations in the complaint, and determine

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can take them as one whole block. It's kind of your

decision how you'd like to do that. Because you can

look at them there, a guideline, and you can say, "We're

finding these facts as listed in the complaint." Or you

can say, "Well, we found some proved, but not all."

It's your decision on that.

MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record.

What I've done in this fashion in the past,

typically what I do is I ask the Board to review the

findings of fact, the factual allegations, excuse me,

and individually review it yourself. And then, if

there's no issue with any of the facts as perceived by a

preponderance, then you can do a block vote. If you

individually see an issue with a fact, we can address

it.


MR. REID: So the first step. Then, once we

get through the facts, then we go to the second step.

And then the third step.

MS. BORDELOVE: Exactly.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. My

left hand knows what's going on.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And my left hand.

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motions, hopefully.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: If I understand it -- this

is Nixon. I make a motion, I make a motion that we,

that --

MR. DETMER: Preponderance of the evidence.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: That due to the

preponderance of the evidence, we agree that the

respondent, Adam Plant, was at all that time performing

unregistered activity.

MR. DETMER: And I'm sorry, Board Member Nixon.

It was my fault how I characterized it. If the motion

it to -- is the motion that findings of fact as alleged

in the complaint have a been proven by a preponderance

of the evidence, or that it was not?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It was.

MR. DETMER: Okay.

MR. REID: So just to clarify, with all this

going back and forth, is that -- I was going to say that

as issued in the complaint, that you find the findings

of fact to be true and accurate, and that encapsulates

all of the facts and allegations per the complaint.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: True and --

MR. DETMER: You heard the findings of fact.

It looks likes it's findings of fact or factual

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MR. REID: Yeah. And I believe that the

motion, I believe, the motion is, in the moment, that

they would actually like to find the findings of

facts --

MR. DETMER: Factual allegations.

MR. REID: -- the factual allegations that are

contained in the complaint to be true based upon a

preponderance of the evidence.

MR. DETMER: Yes, that'll be fine.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What he said.

MR. REID: Is that correct, what the motion

would be?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes. So let's try this

again.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's okay. This

is a once in a lifetime case. There's nothing we can do

about it.

Let's try one more time.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So this is Nixon. I make

the motion that we find that the evidence, factual

findings, factual, to be true based on the preponderance

of the evidence. Maybe.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, and okay. So

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would, I think, just to make it clear --

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes, please.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- I would say,

based on the written complaint dated the 21st of May,

2019.

MR. DETMER: That, so that would be your motion

as amended?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm

amending hers.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Add to hers, to

amend that. So we all are talking about the same

document. All right?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's the




have a motion and a second. Okay. Any discussion?

Okay. And for the record, I -- this is Ray

Flynn. I believe that there was more than enough

evidence shown to support the citations of the

unlicensed activity. And I agree with the findings of

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And I also support the motion of Ms. Nixon.

All right. Any other, further discussion?

Seeing none, all those in favor of the motion,

state "aye."



The motion carried. All right.

MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record.

So the second phase would be going to the --

I'm not sure how it's phrased in the complaint. Is it

findings of law?

MS. BORDELOVE: It's violations of law as was

alleged in the complete, is I've alleged one violation

of law.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I get confused

between what you attorneys are classifying as fact and

classifying as law. The preponderance of evidence in a

civil case is fact. Okay. But the preponderance of

evidence in criminal cases, that's criminal, because all

citations are. To me, it is probable cause.

MS. BORDELOVE: These are actual civil

citations.


MS. BORDELOVE: But the criminal matter, that's

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a civil matter.

The violation of law alleged is referring to

the actual statute, whether you find that the facts as

proven support a finding that he violated the chapter.

And then what you want to do about that would be

separate.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Separate.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The third one.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Right.

MR. REID: Just to clarify, that second one,

the motion is going to have to say that what's factually

alleged that were said to have happened, you've agreed

that there's enough evidence to say so.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Exactly.

MR. REID: And now the next thing is to say

whether or not there's been a violation of the law based

upon those factual allegations, based on what's been

proven. And so that's when the motion will come in.

And I don't want to put words in your mouth.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm going to try

this one. Okay. I'd like to make a motion that the

facts and evidence presented before the Board in this

hearing have supported the violation of law as stated in

NRS Chapter 648 and Nevada Administrative Code

Chapter 648.



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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second it.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's a second.

All right. Any further discussion?

All right. All those in favor, say "aye."



The motion carried. All right.

MS. BORDELOVE: So the third would be whether

you choose to revoke the work card under NRS 648.156.

MR. REID: And conditions, and tell me if I'm

wrong, is that you can revoke it, you can not revoke it,

you can add conditions, you can add other requirements

in place if you were not to revoke it.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So if we don't revoke it,

do we have to unsuspend it, though? Because it's

suspended right now. Do we have to add that to the

motion?

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, I'm just

going to throw this out for discussion. We could, A,

revoke it. We could, B, unrevoke it with conditions.

MS. BORDELOVE: Unsuspend it. Unsuspend it.

It's not revoked. It's not revoked right now.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We can revoke it.

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MS. BORDELOVE: Right. With or without

conditions, yes. Yeah.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: With our without

conditions.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And there's no

third option. So we've got two options. All right.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make the motion.

Gronauer. I'll make a motion that we unsuspend the work

card for Mr. Plant, with the conditions that he follows

through with the payment plan and with a follow-up in

one year.

MR. DETMER: And Mike Detmer, for the record.

Inherent within that motion is that his work card would

not be revoked.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, it's unsuspended.

MR. DETMER: Right. But I'm just --

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. It's not

revoked. All right.



further discussion?

For clarification, we're unsuspending the work

card. We're choosing not to revoke the work card.

We're putting a condition that we will have a status



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check within a year of his payment plan of both to us as

well as the Controller's Office.


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And I want to put

Mr. Plant on notice that if the payments are not

current, I can't speak for the rest of the Board, but I

would be most unhappy. Okay.

All right. I have a motion. I have a second.

Any further discussion?

All right. Call for a vote. All those in

favor, say "aye."



The motion carried. Okay.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Merry Christmas.


are done. Do we have any other business?

All right. One last thing before we adjourn

for today. I will call for any public comment, either

up north or down south.

All right. No public comment.

All right. I will conclude with a motion.

BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I make a motion to

conclude. Let's get out of here.

ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do I have a



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second?


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All in favor,

"aye."


ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We're done.

Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Happy Hanukkah.

Happy Kwanzaa.

* * * * *

(The meeting adjourned at 10:43 a.m.)

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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I, SHANNON L. TAYLOR, a Nevada Certified Court

Reporter, Nevada CCR #322, do hereby certify:

That I was present at the DETR SAO Auditorium,

500 E. Third St., Carson City, Nevada, on Tuesday,

December 10, 2019, at 9:00 a.m., and on Wednesday,

December 11, 2019, at 9:00 a.m., and took stenotype

notes of a two-day meeting of the State of Nevada

Private Investigators Licensing Board;

That I thereafter transcribed the aforementioned

stenotype notes into typewriting as herein appears, and

that the within transcript, consisting of pages 1

through 289, is a full, true, and correct transcription

of said stenotype notes of both days of said meeting;

I further certify that I am not an attorney or

counsel for any of the parties, not a relative or

employee of any attorney or counsel connected with the

actions, nor financially interested in the actions.

DATED: At Carson City, Nevada, this 21st day of

January, 2020.

____________________________

SHANNON L. TAYLOR

Nevada CCR #322, RMR

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