Krishna the Judge above alljudgesVenue: Germany Bhavat Saptha (Ajamil Katha series – SeventhSession)

We are in the beginning of 3rd chapter of the 6th canto,Ajamil has already gone back to Godhead, that’s good news(Maharaj laughs) by hearing story of Ajamil you felt inspiredand blessed. (Maharaj says correlating with the last sessionthe sixth and addressing the devotees) The tree crash Maharajis making the connection; yesterday as we are describingAjamil’s departure for the spiritual sky, big-bang crash wasthere. So like that you will be sending all the tress one byone. Yes these trees are not ordinary trees here. Veryfortunate! Trees and the peacock and the deer and speciallyall of you very special souls – residents of ‘Goloka Dham’.You don’t have to go anywhere just stay here. Ok we have quitea big ground to cover here. We have about half of chapter halfof 3rd chapter for now and the other half of this for thefinal session. Rajo uvacha that is king Pariksit said, in factenquired

“nisamya devah sva-bhatopavarnitam pratyaha kim tan apidharmarajahevam hatajno vihatan murarer naidesikair yasya vase jano yam “(S.B. 6.3.1)

He would like to know ‘nisamya devah sva-bhatopavarnitam’ thisdemigod Yamaraja heard ‘sva-bhatopavarnitam’ Bhatah – servant,Yamaraja’s servants, his own servant’s “varnitam” wholereporting, whole description of their first hand experiencewhat just happened up there, must be up-there because theywent down there. so from up there what just happened ‘pratyahakim tan api dharmarajah’ after hearing the report andspecially report of ‘evam hatajno’ that his order Yamaraja’s

order while being executed that order was foiled was nullifiedand his dutas his representatives were defeated.

And this was done by ‘murarer naidesikair’ this was done byMuraris, Murari the killer of Mura demon, His order carriersdefeated and foiled the attempt of bringing Ajamil to hellishplanet. So while all the reporting was done to Yamaraja, Whatdid he have to say? Right! Question is clear? This is KingPariksit is asking for our benefit. Ok he is curious wants toknow more. Ok Ajamil went back home what happened to capitalof Yamaraja please tell? Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakurasays although the statements of the Yamadutas were fullyupheld by Vedic principles, the statements of the Visnudutaswere triumphant. This was confirmed by Yamaraja himself (nowhe will be doing that). Although the statements of theYamadutas were fully upheld by Vedic principles they havespoken kind of truth, still the Visnudutas were triumphant.They were victorious, they had the upper hand.“yamasya devasya na danda-bhangah kutascanarse sruta-purvaasit”(S.B. 6.3.2)

And King Pariksit further states that the order of Yamarajaand they were defeated. They were foiled ‘kutascanarse sruta-purva’ we never ever heard such a thing, this never happened.First time ever we are hearing such an unprecedented news.

“etan mune vrscati loka-samsayam”(S.B. 6.3.2)

And this certainly has caused the doubt in my mind andcertainly “loka-samsayam” lot of people must have similardoubt right now, they must be doubting, wondering.

“na hi tvad-anya iti me viniscitam”(S.B. 6.3.2)

And I personally don’t think anyone else competent to showsome light on this matter. Clarify this issue no one otherthan you. O! Shuka Muni, could eradiate this doubt “vrscatiloka-samsayam” no one else could do, only you. Hence, I amapproaching you please clarify.

O great sage, never before has it been heard anywhere that anorder of Yamaraja has been baffled. Therefore I think thatpeople will have doubts about this that no one but you caneradicate. Since that is my firm conviction, kindly explainthe reasons for these events.

sri-suka uvaca“bhagavat-purusai rajan yamyah pratihatodyamahpatim vijnapayam asur yamam samyamani-patim”(S.B. 6.3.3)

Yes! Rajan my dear king ‘bhagavat-purusai rajan’ the purusahthe people of Bhagavat the Supreme Personality of Godhead thefour handed Vishnudutas ‘yamyah pratihatodyamah’ whenVishnudutah had defeated the people, the servant of Yamadutas,they went straight to ‘samyamani-patim’ Samyamani the capitalof Yamaraja. As Amravati is capital of Indra, so samyamani-patim ‘pati’ the master of his capital and ‘patim’ also‘patim’ has come twice. ‘patim’ is also master of so manyliving entities. So after reaching capital and approachingtheir ‘pati’ the master Yamaraja ‘vijnapayam asur’ theyinformed him this.

And next text number four “yamadutu ucuh” Yamadutas spoke likethis, these questions they raised, question number one this ishow they begin,

“kati santiha sastaro jiva-lokasya vai prabhotrai-vidhyam kurvatah karm phalabhivyakti-hetavah” (S.B.6.3.4)

‘kati’ how many ‘santiha’ there are ‘sastaro’ the controllers.How many controllers are there? What’s going on? How manycontrollers are there? ‘jiva-lokasya vai prabho’ our prabhuour master ‘jiva-lokasya’ this plents where human beingsreside. How many? How many controllers are there? ‘trai-vidhyam kurvatah karm’ and how many causes of themanifestation? ‘trai-vidhyam kurvatah karm’ the living entityis in ‘jivlokah’ in the human beings planet they perform

activities as per sattva, rajo, tamo ‘trai-vidhyam kurvatahkarm’ so the manifestation of the result, how many causes arethere of that result. How many causes responsible formanifesting various results of activities performed underthree modes of material nature? We will understand this betteras we read the purport.

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura says that the Yamadutas,the order carriers of Yamaraja, were so disappointed that theyasked their master, almost in great anger, whether there weremany masters other than him. Furthermore, because theYamadutas had been defeated and their master could not protectthem, they were inclined to say that there was no need toserve such a master. If a servant cannot carry out the ordersof his master without being defeated, what is the use ofserving such a powerless master? Who would like to serve? Sothey are seeing one master here they were thinking he was theone but does not look like, hence the question ‘kati’ how manyare there? How many masters are there? They continued theirreporting and presentation and questions.

<strong>“yadi syur bahavo loke sastaro danda-dharinahkasya syatam na va kasya mrtyus camrtam eva va” (S.B. 6.3.5)

And if there are ‘yadi’ if there are ‘bahavo’ many ‘sastarodanda-dharinah’ the controllers and the persons responsiblefor taking decisions and punishing the culprit then ‘kasyasyatam na va kasya mrtyus camrtam eva va’. Either more thanone according to Yamadutas they think that will create lot ofdifficulties. You need only two or two parties so many in eachparty or just one in each party, then translation says it veryclearly lets go for that. ‘If in this universe there are manyrulers and justices who disagree about punishment and reward,their contradictory actions will neutralize each other’. Twojudges are fighting with each other and their judgment may getneutralize and no one will be punished in the process orrewarded. That’s one scenario otherwise if there arecontradictory acts failed to neutralize each other then

everyone has to be both punished and rewarded. Like if thereare two temple authorities and they are fighting over a bhaktaone says, ”no no he should stay.” other one says, ”Out ! Myway or the highway”. (You heard of that) My way or Highway. Soif they are fighting if actions will neutralize each other ofthese two authorities then neither stay, no decision, neitherstay nor leaving. But if their act fail to neutralize eachother of the two ISKCON authorities then that bhakta will haveto go and stay it’s quite confusion to understand it’s quiteconfusion.

So because the Yamadutas had been unsuccessful in carrying outthe order of Yamaraja, they doubted whether Yamaraja actuallyhad the power to punish the sinful. Although they had gone toarrest Ajamila, following Yamaraja’s order, they foundthemselves unsuccessful because of the order of some higherauthority. Therefore they were unsure of whether there aremany authorities or only one. If there are many authoritieswho gave different judgments, which could be contradictory, aperson might be wrongly punished or wrongly rewarded, or hemight be neither punished nor rewarded. According to ourexperience in the material world, a person punished in onecourt may appeal to another. Thus the same man may be eitherpunished or rewarded according to different judgments.However, in the law of nature or the court of the SupremePersonality of Godhead there cannot be such contradictoryjudgments. The judges and their judgments must be perfect andfree from contradictions. Actually the position of Yamarajawas very awkward in the case of Ajamila because the Yamadutaswere right in attempting to arrest Ajamila, but the Visnudutashad baffled them. Although Yamaraja, under thesecircumstances, was accused by both the Visnudutas and theYamadutas, he is perfect in administering justice because heis empowered by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thereforehe will explain what his real position is and how everyone iscontrolled by the Supreme controller, the Personality ofGodhead.

Even his judgment was right according to him but now he isgoing to explain that its “not just me, you know, there issome other than me and that was his decision so I amhelpless”. And this will clarify the doubt of his servants.Because they always thought he was only one no one equal tohim, no one above him. But now their boss, their master isgoing to reveal unto them about no..no that’s not the case!This was my decision but my boss intervened and Vishnudas werethere and that is perfectly all right with me.

“kintu sastr-bahutve syad bahunam iha karminamsastrtvam upacaro hi yatha mandala-vartinam”(S.B. 6.3.6)

So Yamadutas they are thinking fine there could be more thanone judge, different judges but there should be one judgeabove all the different judges. They are thinking that wouldbe appropriate. ‘mandala-vartinam’ since there are manydifferent karmis, or workers, there may be different judges orrulers to give them justice, but as one central emperorcontrols different departmental rulers, there must be onesupreme controller to guide all the judges. And there is onewhich they don’t know or they thought they knew they werethinking that was Yamaraja but that’s not the case. Yamarajais going to correct them. Yes! Yes! Such is the arrangement.There are so many controllers I am just one of them and thereis one supreme above all of us.

Prabhupada writes, in governmental management there may bedepartmental officials to give justice to different persons,but the law must be one, and that central law must controleveryone. Yamadutas could not imagine that two judges wouldgive two different verdicts in the same case, and thereforethey wanted to know who the central judge is. Yamadutas werecertain that Ajamila was a most sinful man, but althoughYamaraja wanted to punish him, the Visnudutas excused him.This was a puzzling situation that the Yamadutas wantedYamaraja to clarify.

“atas tvam eko bhutanam sesvaranam adhisvarahsasta danda-dharo nrnam subhasubha-vivecanah” (S.B. 6.3.7)

So Yamadutas say we always thought ‘atas tvam eko bhutanamsesvaranam adhisvarah’ you are the only one ‘bhutanamsesvaranam adhisvarah’ of all living entities you are the onlycontroller. ‘sasta danda-dharo’ – you have a danda, you have arod meant for punishment and you are ‘subhasubha-vivecanah’ ofall human beings ‘subhah’ pious ‘asubha’ impious activitiesyou would take into consideration and discriminate and come tothe judgment. And we thought that was you. You are only one‘tvam eko bhutanam sesvaranam adhisvarah’. But so that was ourunderstanding, we assumed that. But now they say

“tasya te vihito dando na loke vartatedhunacaturbhir adbhutaih siddhair ajna te vipralambhita” (S.B.6.3.8)

But from what we experienced today is something different, wewere convinced that you are the one but now your ordersordained by you, some directions, some assignment ‘O..go bringthat person to me’. ‘na loke vartatedhuna’ that doesn’t workanymore. Your order is not final; this is our experience,firsthand experience. We were just there and someone elsecame, sounded like they had came from another authority higherauthority. So your orders are not final anymore. They arebeing foiled and defeated. And they say this was done we saw‘caturbhir adbhutaih siddhair’ four persons came they were‘adbhutaih’ they were amazing ‘siddhair’ they seem perfectpersonalities and they had another order contrary to yours andthey surpassed ‘vipralambhita’. They surpassed your order andso we have come to conclusion that your rule doesn’t workanymore. And they further state couple of things before theygive floor to Yamaraja to speak.

“niyamanam tavadesad asmabhir yatana-grhanvyamocayan patakinam chittva pasan prasahya te” (S.B. 6.3.9)

‘niyamanam’ we are just bringing him to you this Ajamil andthis was ‘tavadesad’ your order. We were bringing him into‘yatana-grhan’ the torture chamber; we were bringing him tothe capital samyamani and bringing him to the torture chamber.But ‘vyamocayan’ but they liberated this ‘patakinam’ thissinful person. As we had tied him with the rope, these‘chaturbhih’, ‘adbhutaih’, ‘siddhaih’ those four persons camethey were amazing, effulgence, powerful, authoritative and youknow they just cut the rope ‘chittva’ they just cut the ropes‘prasahya’ by force and we were helpless. We could do nothingwe just had to come empty handed, leaving that most sinfulwretched person behind. And now what they really areinterested to know is this. ‘tan’ they are only thinking allthe way to Yamaraja’s abode and while being there and they areonly thinking and only thinking of the four persons. Theycouldn’t get them off out of their head and mind. Althoughthey were out of sight they were on their mind, in their mindstuck. They looked very beautiful, powerful and

“tams te veditum icchamo yadi no manyase ksamamnarayanety abhihite ma bhair ity ayayur drutam” (S.B. 6.3.10)

So ‘veditum icchamo’ it is our desire to know. You want toknow about them. ‘yadi no manyase ksamam’ and if you think weare competent or qualified, deserving candidates to know aboutthese matters then only, of course its upto you. If you thinkwe are fit and appropriate that we know this then pleaseexplain about those people. They wanted to say about thosepeople what they did was. ‘narayanety abhihite’ as this personAjamil he said Narayana..Narayana…Narayana, they came ‘ayayurdrutam’ instantly they arrived.

As soon as this Ajamil said,“Narayana..Narayana..” they werethere. ‘drutam’ they did not lose up a second. And upon theirarrival they took the side of Ajamil and they said, “Do not beafraid! Do not be afraid! No fear we are here. Don’t beafraid” ‘Ma bhayshtah ma shudhad ma bhaya eti’ They werecomforting him and they said, “Don’t be afraid. Do not fear”.

So we want to know about these people and other matters thatwe have concerned and confused!. The order carriers ofYamaraja, being very much aggrieved because of their defeat bythe four Visnudutas, wanted to bring them before Yamaraja and,if possible, punish them. Otherwise they desired to commitsuicide (Maharaj laughs and says Prabhupada writing..) theywere desiring to commit suicide. Before pursuing eithercourse, however they wanted to know about the Visnudutas fromYamaraja, who is also omniscient. Yamaraja is all knower so hewanted to know this, so if he is not satisfied we are going tocommit suicide. If its not explained to us or we are going toresign. Here is our letter of resignation, we resign here wefind another master, job, the powerful one whose order wecould follow and execute.

<strong>sri-badarayanir uvaca“iti devah sa aprstah praja-samyamano yamahpritah sva-dutan pratyaha smaran padambujam hareh” (S.B.6.3.11)

Sukhdev Goswami is making comment ‘iti’ – like this ‘ aprstah’– questioned when he was questioned ‘praja-samyamano yamah’Yamaraja master of Samyamani when he was questioned like this‘pritah’ he seemed very pleased ‘sva-dutan’ with his owndutas, his representatives, his order carriers he seemed verypleased with them and ‘pratyaha’ he spoke. He is now about togive the reply and he is replying how ‘smaran padambujamhareh’ Yamaraja their boss is not surprised or furious. ‘Eh!What? This happened? OK! Let’s go, I will also join you, I’mvery much disturbed with these developments. My order is notfinal anymore someone else interfered’. So this wasn’t theresponse, he was not angry. That was their idea or theirexpectations. Yamadutas are expecting that when Yamarajalistens to this he will finally understand what we are talkingabout. He is going to be furious, he is going to take someaction and he is going to back us up. But nothing of this sortinstead they see smile on his face. He is smiling he is happy

pleased with all this reporting and not only that he gets intosome hey..What are you? What are you doing? He immediatelygets into the, he is remembering someone, praying to somebody,his mood changes.He goes internal his feelings and Sukadeva Gosvami says‘smaran padambujam hareh’ while remembering the lotus feet ofHari, Yamaraj now wants to reply. Not just whimsically orfirst of all now is important task so it had to be accompaniedby prayers and remembrance of Lord so that the judgments andhis word would be full of truth, full of knowledge, he wantsto connect with the source of knowledge and then he is now.

“paro mad-anyo jagatas tasthusas ca otam protam patavad yatravisvamyad-amsato sya sthiti-janma-nasa nasy otavad yasya vase calokah” (S.B. 6.3.12)

As soon as he begins to speak first thing Yamaraja saysadmits, “Yes..Yes ! I would like to make it very clear in myopening dialogue”. ‘paro mad-anyo jagatas’ Yes yes there issomeone ‘anyo’ is another one above me, yes such person existsyou had some doubt about this but I want to confirm, yes thereis someone above me and He is all pervading, all powerful, Heis everywhere filling up this universe. ‘otam protam pat’Yamaraj says like in cloth there are some threads going thisway ‘otam’, some threads are going that way ‘protam’. Sothreads are everywhere some this way that way throughout thecloth, there is thread. So using this example, my Lord my bosssomeone above me He is ‘otam protam’ like that, that is Hisposition.

‘yad-amsato sya sthiti-janma-nasa’ and just His partialexpansions they undertake big big tasks like creation of thisentire cosmic manifestation ‘Sthiti, Janma, Nasa’ thecreation, maintenance and destruction is just handled by Hisexpansion. He doesn’t even take part in this. He is thatpowerful personality. And ‘nasy otavad yasya vase ca lokah’

like a big powerful bull or oxen is controlled by pulling‘nasy’ rope through nostrils, the plough-man could easilycontrol the bulls just handling the rope. Likewise, ‘yasyavase ca lokah’ all the planets and their controllers like wehave this rope in our nose and ropes are in His hands, He isthe boss and we are just pets, like oxen that is just to turnthis way turn that way.Yamdutas suspects there was a ruler even above the Yamaraja,to eradicate their doubts Yamaraja immediately replied, “Yes!There is one supreme controller above everything”. Yamaraja isin charge of some of living entities namely human beings butanimals who also move are not under the control not under hiscontrol. Only human beings have consciousness of right orwrong. And among them only those who perform sinful activitiescome under the control of Yamaraja. Therefore althoughYamaraja is a controller, he is only the departmentalcontroller of few living entities. There are other demigodswho control many other departments. But above them is oneSupreme controller Krishna. ‘isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah anadir adir govindah sarva-karana-karanam’ (Bs5.1) The Supreme controller is Krishna and Prabhupada isquoting Bhagvad-Gita- ‘mattah parataram nanyat kincid astidhananjaya’ (B.G. 7.7) no one superior no one equal and likethat.

‘aham mahendro’ ‘aham’ he is giving whole list, myself,‘mahendro’ there is Indra, ‘nirrtih’ name of demigod, ‘Varuna’controller of water, ‘pracetah’, ‘somo’ – moon ‘agnih’ that’sfire ‘isah’ – Shiva ‘pavanah’ – incharge of air [PavanPavansut Hanuman], ‘virincih’ – Brahma, ‘aditya’

“aham mahendro nirrtih pracetah somo gnir isah pavano virincihaditya-visve vasavo tha sadhya marud-gana rudra-ganahsasiddhahanye ca ye visva-srjo maresa bhrgv-adayo sprsta-rajas-tamaskahyasyehitam na viduh sprsta-mayah sattva-pradhana api kim tatonye” (S.B. 6.3.14-15)

He is giving whole big list but not complete of course.Complete list would have 33 crores, 330 millions demigods. Heis saying all of us and that ‘na viduh sprsta-mayah’ we justdon’t know Him fully well. He says some of us ‘sattva-pradhana’, some of us demigods are predominantly in mode ofgoodness but there are ‘upadevas’ the sub-demigods and thereare other upadevas. And we have difficulty understanding Him.‘api kim tato nye’ then what to speak of others? Even ‘sattva-pradhana’ like myself and several others have difficultyunderstanding. We cannot understand ‘na viduh’. His activitieswe cannot understand we just get bewildered and then we justdon’t know Him fully well. ‘yasyantam na viduh surasura-ganadevaya tasmai namah’ (SB 12.13.1).

And at end of Bhagvatam says, that Lord who is glorified ‘yambrahma varunendra-rudra-marutah stunvanti divyaih stavair’ (SB12.13.1) that Lord who is glorified by Brahma, Varun, Indra,Rudra, Marut ‘stunvanti’ they praise Him ‘stunvanti divyaihstavair’ –like uttamsloka the choicest poetry, Mantras,Stutis, they employ they use to glorify the Lord ‘gayanti yamsama-gah’ and then there so many sastras ‘vedaih sangakramopanisadair gayanti yam sama-gah’ and all the vedas,puranas, Upanishad they all ‘gayanti’ they are singing theglories of the Lord, chanting the glories of the Lord this issecond thing. Third thing is ‘dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasapasyanti yam yogino’ and Lord is glorified by the demigods,Lord is glorified throughout all scriptures and that Lord whomyogis are trying to capture within their heart or meditateupon Him within their hearts. ‘dhyanavasthita-tad-gatenamanasa pasyanti yam yogino’ ‘manasa pasyanti yam’ with theirminds ‘pasyanti’ visualize or with the transcendental visionthey see Him within the heart. So that Lord ‘yasyantam naviduh’ this kind of Lord His ‘antam’ His end is not known toanybody that is why He is known as ‘Ananta anantsesa’ He isunlimited. ‘yasyantam na viduh’ Who do not know? ‘surasura-gana’. Of course! Demons do not know but even demigods do notknow. ‘surasura-gana na jananti na viduh’ they do not know so

same thing has being stated here by Yamaraja that we know Himsomething, somewhat but we don’t know Him fully and we are‘sattva-pradhana’ and this is then what to speak of so manyothers, other demigods, what to speak of human beings and whatto speak of Germans, Europeans and all those people in LosVegas (Laughter).

Even those in mode of Goodness like many demigods and greatrishis described in these verses cannot understand activitiesof Supreme personality of Godhead. There Prabhupada furtherclarifies in the purport. Prabhupada is also quoting Bhagvatamverse, “Oh! King!” Yudhisthira Maharaj stated by Bhismadeva toYudhisthira Maharaj in first canto. “O! King, no one can knowthe plan of the Lord Sri Krishna. Even though greatphilosophers inquire an inquire exhaustively, they arebewildered.” (S.B. 1.9.16) and like that. And the next

“yam vai na gobhir manasasubhir va hrda gira vasu-bhrtovicaksateatmanam antar-hrdi santam atmanam caksur yathaivakrtayas tatahparam” (S.B. 6.3.16)

Translation -As the different limbs of the body cannot see theeyes, the living entities cannot see the Supreme Lord, who issituated as the Supersoul in everyone’s heart. Not by thesenses, by the mind, by the life air, by thoughts within theheart, or by the vibration of words can the living entitiesascertain the real situation of the Supreme Lord.

Purport – Prabhupada writes, although the different parts ofthe body do not have the power to see the eyes, the eyesdirect the movements of the body’s different parts. The legsmove forward because the eyes see what is in front of them,and the hand touches because the eyes see touchable entities.Similarly, every living being acts according to the directionof the Supersoul, who is situated within the heart. Eyes aredirecting all the wondering all the wondering of differentlimbs and body. Hand is working, feet are working because eyes

are directing, eyes are seeing. So likewise living entitiesare like the limbs and Lord is like the eyes. So Lord showsthen living entity moves makes move. So controlled like that.

“tasyatma-tantrasya harer adhisituh parasya mayadhipatermahatmanahprayena duta iha vai manoharas caranti tad-rupa-guna-svabhava”(S.B. 6.3.17)

So now after mentioning that Lord, Yamaraja wants to saysomething about the Vishnudutas because that was there…it wasvery much bothering and they wanted to know about those. Sothose Vishnudutas so Yamaraja says :

‘tasyatma-tantrasya harer adhisituh parasya mayadhipatermahatmanah’

“First of all you know their boss, Vishnudutas’ boss is just‘atma-tantrasya’ He is just independent and no one above Himand it is self sufficient and fully independent and He haspowers ‘mayadhipater’ He is adhipati of maya whole cosmiccreation and like that ‘harer adhisituh’. He is justcontroller of Master of everything. He is master ofillusionary energy. He is ‘mahatmanah’, He is supersoul‘mahatmanah’. This is called ‘mahatmanah’, ‘Mahatma’ is livingentity but here ‘mahatmanah’ is supersoul and you know thisVishnudutas that you enquired about. They are His dutas, theyare His people, they are His representatives so certainly theyare also independently powerful and ‘prayena duta iha vaimanoharas’ they are very beautiful. My Lord is beautiful sothey are also beautiful. Like father like son. If parents arebeautiful then children are also beautiful. So my Lord isbeautiful so His servants are beautiful but you are not sobeautiful..look at in mirror you are not beautiful but‘caranti’ and they are always wondering Vishnudutas are alwayswondering and they are empowered by such a Lord Supremecontroller independently powerful. Lord has empowered them so

His powers are also in them. But you are my representativesbut I could invest as much power as I have. My powers inanother word are limited. Do you understand now? My dearchildren.

He addressed them as Putra- so children do you understand? SoVishnudutas, Vishnu is their boss and I just described Him‘yasyehitam na viduh’ there is no beginning, end and even Ican’t understand Him fully. So they are His servants Hisrepresentatives and you are my, I’m limited. I have limitedpowers so only that much power I could invest in you. And myLord is ‘rupa-guna-svabhavah’ Lord has form, qualities andactivities. Yaa! He is not impersonal He has personality.Yamaraja describing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, theSupreme controller. But the order carriers of Yamaraja werevery eager to know about the vishnudutas who had defeated themin their counter with Ajamil.

Yamaraja therefore stated that Visnudutas resemble the SupremePersonality of Godhead in their bodily features,transcendental qualities and nature. They resemble becauseLord has form, Lord has quality, personality and beauty. Sothey are resembled ‘tad-rupa’ like He has like Lord haslikewise His representatives almost has similar qualities,beauty, personality and power. Yamaraja therefore stated thatVisnudutas resemble the Supreme Personality of Godhead intheir bodily features, transcendental qualities and nature. Inother words, the Visnudutas, or Vaisnavas, are almost asqualified as the Supreme Lord. Yamaraja informed the Yamadutasthat the Visnudutas are no less powerful than Lord Visnu.Since Visnu is above Yamaraja, the Visnudutas are above theYamadutas. Persons protected by the Visnudutas, therefore,cannot be touched by the Yamadutas.

“bhutani visnoh sura-pujitani durdarsa-lingani mahadbhutaniraksanti tad-bhaktimatah parebhyo mattas ca martyan athasarvatas ca”(S.B. 6.3.18)

Translation: The order carriers of Lord Visnu, who areworshiped even by the demigods, possess wonderful bodilyfeatures exactly like those of Visnu and are very rarely seen.The Visnudutas protect the devotees of the Lord from the handsof enemies, from envious persons and even from myjurisdiction, as well as from natural disturbances. Yamarajais concluding. Prabhupada writes in purport Yamaraja hasspecifically described the qualities of the Visnudutas toconvince his own servants not to be envious of them. Yamarajawarned the Yamadutas that the Visnudutas are worshiped withrespectful obeisance’s by the demigods and are always alert toprotect the devotees of the Lord from the hands of enemies,from natural disturbances and from all dangerous conditions inthis material world. Sometimes the members of theInternational Society for Krishna Consciousness are afraid ofthe impending danger of world war. During Prabhupada’s timesuch was situation there (Maharaj says I know in Narsinghshetra devotees were making bombproof shelter in Germany. So Iwas told I was visiting soon after they attempted that). Sothere such a scare was there, the world was scared and so werethe devotees. So they would bring this up to Prabhupada, theirconcerned. So this purport must have written around that time,so it’s just including devotees were afraid of impeding dangerof world war and ask what would happen to them if war shouldoccur? Prabhupada replied in all kinds of danger, they shouldbe confident of their protection by the Visnudutas or theSupreme Personality of Godhead, as confirmed in Bhagavad-gita‘kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranashyati'(B.G. 9.31).If you recite this many times you will be convinced that Hisdevotees never perish. Material danger is not meant fordevotees, this is also confirmed in Srimad-Bhagavatam. ‘Padampadam yad vipadam na tesam’ (S.B. 10.14.58) in this materialworld there are dangers at every step, but they are not meantfor devotees who have fully surrendered unto the lotus feet ofthe Lord. The pure devotees of Lord Visnu may rest assuredthat Lord’s protection, and as long as they are in thismaterial world they should fully engage in devotional service

by preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Krishna,namely the Hare Krishna movement of Krishna consciousness. Sonot to worry about the war just stay busy preaching the cultof Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Krishna. This is text no. 18thof Chapter 3, 6.3.18 and this is our today’s last verse, thismorning last verse. ‘Dharmam’ and first part Prabhupada quotedthis word hundreds and hundreds of time. As you hear hislecture tapes you will hear ‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ there are three more lines but this verse this parthe had always quoted most

“dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam na vai vidur rsayo napidevahna siddha-mukhya asura manusyah kuto nu vidyadhara-caranadayah” (S.B. 6.3.19)

Real religious principles are enacted by Supreme Personalityof Godhead that’s the meaning of this first line. ‘dharmam tusaksad bhagavat-pranitam’ that again real religious principlesare enacted by Supreme Personality of Godhead. So muchmanufacturing goes in this world, so many religions has comeinto existence. So many religious principles so calledreligious principles which most of them just concoction justmere speculation and like that. So to defeat all theseattempts and condemn them Prabhupada always quote this verse.No no! Religion cannot be manmade or some organization made ithas to be God made and God enacted. ‘dharmam tu saksadbhagavat-pranitam’ that was his mantra.

‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ Lord is behind religion.The religion- dharma is creation of Lord and not concoction ofsome human being or demigod or no one else. Just one personand that’s Lord who is creator, enactor, designer of Dharma.The whole Bhagvad-Gita is dharma, given by Lord. The firstword of Bhagvad- Gita is what? ‘Dharma’. The first word ofBhagvad-Gita is Dharma. First Chapter first text

<strong>’dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samaveta yuyutsavah mamakahpandavas caiva kim akurvata sanjaya” (B.G. 1.1)

The first word is Dharma and last word is 18th Chapter textnumber 78, is that 78? Last word is..Hurry up! Hurry up!Prabhupada would ask for references the disciple wouldquickly…..’mama’ Ok! So first word is ‘Dharma’, last word is‘mama’. ‘mama’ means mine. So this whole Bhagvad-Gita is myDharma. Given by me ‘Dharma mama..mama dharma’ whole thing is‘mama dharma’. Gita is ‘Dharma’ the laws of Lord. Prabhupadadefines ‘Dharma’ is laws of Lord, this is Bhagvad-Gita. ‘mama-dharma’ ‘Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’.

Translation – Real religious principles are enacted by theSupreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in themode of goodness, even the great rishis who occupy the topmostplanets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, norcan the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothingof the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyadharas and Caranas.So Lord has all these parties no they can’t they can’t enactthe religious principle, they can’t create. No demigod, nosiddas, no vidyadharas, no human being also ‘manusyah asurasiddha munyah devah rushyah’ na na you have to add na beforeeverybody it is already there (repeat). ‘na siddha na asurahna manusyah’ they cannot. Only ‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ that’s all. Only Him is competent, Dharma is alreadythere, you don’t have to create another one. Why take trouble?Why duplicate?

Purport: When challenged by the Visnudutas to describe theprinciples of religion, the Yamadutas said, veda-pranihitodharmah: the religious principles are the principles enactedin the Vedic literature. They did not know, however, that theVedic literature contains ritualistic ceremonies that are nottranscendental, but are meant to keep peace and order amongmaterialistic persons in the material world.

So what they had said was correct but that ritualistic

ceremony mentioned in Vedas and Prabhupada says they are nottranscendental ritualistic ideas, proposals are nottranscendental but still they had function/role to play inmaterialistic society to keep the society peaceful thosethings are emplaced. Real religious principles arenistraigunya, above the three modes of material nature, ortranscendental. The Yamadutas did not know thesetranscendental religious principles, and therefore whenprevented from arresting Ajamila they were surprised.Materialistic persons who attach all their faith to the Vedicrituals are described in Bhagavad-gita (2.42), where inKrishna says, ‘veda-vada-ratah partha nanyad astiti vadinah’the supposed followers of the Vedas say that there is nothingbeyond the Vedic ceremonies. Indeed, there is a group of menin India who are very fond of the Vedic rituals, notunderstanding the meaning of these rituals, which are intendedto elevate one gradually to the transcendental platform ofknowing Krishna ‘vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah'(B.G.15.15). Those who do not know this principle but who simplyattach their faith to the Vedic rituals are called veda-vada-ratah.

Here in it is stated that the real religious principle is thatwhich is given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thatprinciple is stated in Bhagavad-gita. ‘Sarva-dharmanparityajya mam ekam saranam vraja’ (not vrajaa..vraja). Thereare three ways you could say vraj, vraja, vrajaa. Some wordsare without ‘a’ ‘halant’, some are with a and some are withtwo ‘a’s. ‘rajan’ when you say ‘rajan’ there is no ‘a’. Whenyou spell ‘rajan’ means king..O! king! ‘rajan’ it is without‘a’ like that devotees also word ‘Rama’ they two ways ‘HareRam’ [correct pronunciation as far as our another project] so‘mam ekam saranam vraja’ (not vraj). One should give up allother duties and surrender unto the lotus feet of Krishna.That is the real religious principle everyone should follow.Even though one follows Vedic scriptures, one may not knowthis transcendental principle, for it is not known to

everyone. To say nothing of human beings, even the demigods inthe upper planetary systems are unaware of it. Thistranscendental religious principle must be understood from theSupreme Personality of Godhead directly or from His specialrepresentative, as stated in the next verses.And that will be stated at 11 o’ clock. So we are halfwaythrough this 3rd chapter of 6th canto and Yamaraja willcontinue his pravachan, his talk, his dialogue, hisconversation with his dutas and he is authority big authorityhe is. He is one of those twelve persons they know everything.So we will hear rest of the presentation by Yamaraja this mid-day.

Only strong sadhana canprotect us from a fall-downlike Ajamila’sVenue: GermanyBhagvat saptha (Ajamil Katha series – Forth session)Bhagvat recitation, this is our third session we are still inthe 1st chapter of the 6th canto, with this session, thismorning’s 1st session, we will complete the 1st chapter thatleaves us with two more chapters. So 2nd chapter we will dotoday between 2nd and the 3rd session of today, we willcomplete the 2nd chapter and remaining 3rd chapter we’llrelish here, study tomorrow.So, Yamadutas have arrived and Vishnudutas also. Yesterday weheard of the brief life sketch. So, brief life sketch and whowould study such a lifestyle. The husband is a prostitute’shusband. ‘dasi patir ajamilah’, he was named, he wasaddressed, introduced as ‘dasi patir ajamilah’. Then we have

travelled long distances with great expense and inconvenienceleaving asides so many important assignments we have come herejust to study the life of dasi pati, the husband of thisprostitute. Is it worth? Now you know what the topic is, youbetter go home, do something more important. So, there’s acontrast, there’s a lesson. Even dasi-pati was such a degradedperson, there’s hope for even such a person. That’s theinspiration that we get, that we are not as fallen or not thatbad like; we can’t match the style, lifestyle of Ajamila. Sosuch fallen person but he chants Narayan and 4 Vishnudutascome and 3 were already there, 3 Yamadutas and Vishnudutasnaturally want to stop the undertaking, the work and action byYamadutas. It was not necessary, it is irrelevant they werethinking, the Vishnudutas were thinking. This person haschanted the name of Narayan, that’s it. At the time of deathhe had done so helplessly he cried out ‘bhartur nama maharajasahasapatan’ (S.B. 6.1.30) when they heard name of theirswami, their master Narayan sahasa means suddenly theyappeared.You could see how swiftly they must have moved, not losingeven fraction of second. It is said that they are normallyhere; in the universe they are wandering, protectingVaishnavas, picking up Vaishnavas, taking Vaishnavas back homeback to Godhead, to Vaikuthloka. So, they were around theuniverse somewhere around the planet, somewhere and when theyheard the name, someone chanting name Narayan they allappeared and they looked so beautiful, effulgent, that theirappearance dissipated all the darkness and. So we went throughdescription of their clothing and ornaments and the weaponsthey were carrying and this was just contrary to the ‘vakra-tundan urdhva-romna’ (S.B. 6.1.28), crooked faces and hairwere standing on end and ‘ati-darunan’ very horrible looking.So, one coming from hell we could tell. Prabhupada wrote inone of the purports, just by looking at, before even foreigneris introduced, by his look or by his beauty, by his the way heis dressed, of course once he begins talking you would knowmore about him. He is just dressed or he is a fool no. 1 he is

dressed like a gentleman you would find that out but not onlythey are good looking and well dressed but they are alsohighly intelligent, very wise persons. So when you would hearthem talk or Yamaraja’s hear them speaking, they just leftAjamila behind and they proceeded to abode of Yamaraja. So, wewere ‘sri-visnuduta ucuh’, so, Vishnudutas are challengingYamadutas and they think maybe they are not even therepresentatives of Yamaraja, if they were trulyrepresentatives of Yamaraja they wouldn’t even hear, “Did younot hear the name Narayan that this person chanted?”, “Yes, wedid”. “Still you are taking him to abode of Yamaraja? Doesn’tsound like you are Yamaraja’s representatives. You betterdouble check with Yamaraja, telephone him (laughter) what youare doing is right or wrong. We are confident that youshouldn’t be here. You have nothing to do with this case. Thisis beyond your jurisdiction. What are you doing here? And ifyou truly are somebody from Yamaraja” then,“yuyam vai dharma-rajasya yadi nirdesa-karinahbruta dharmasya nas tattvam yac cadharmasya laksanam” (S.B.6.1.38)So, we would like you to bruta, bruta means say…say it, yuyamvai dharma-rajasya yadi, if you are truly Dharmaraj’s,Yamaraja’s nirdesa-karinah, the order carriers nirdesa,Yamaraja gives some order and you execute, if that is what youpeople are then, bruta-say, dharmasya tattvam- we want to hearthe truth about dharma. At the same time, yac cadharmasyalaksanam, dharmasya tattvam yac cadharmasya laksanam, dharma,adharma both you have to explain; what is dharma? And what isnot dharma? what is religion? What is not religion? Ok hurryup, say it. This enquiry by Vishnudutas to Yamadutas is mostimportant. Prabhupad writes in the purport, a servant mustknow the instructions of his master. The servants of Yamarajaclaimed to be carrying out his orders, and therefore theVisnudutas very intelligently asked them to explain thesymptoms of religious and irreligious principles. Thequestions posed by the Vishnudutas are very suitable. One whorepresents someone else must fully know that person’s mission.

If you are representing Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, if you arerepresenting Srila Prabhupada, representing spiritual masters,then we have to know their mission, Prabhupada is pointing outhere. The devotee in Krishna Consciousness Movement thereforemust be fully aware of the mission of Krishna and LordChaitanya. Otherwise they will be considered foolish. Alldevotees, especially preachers must know the philosophy ofKrishna Consciousness so as not to be embarrassed and insultedwhen they preach. To avoid the embarrassing, insulting andother kinds of situation, one should equip oneself, especiallypreachers with the philosophy, with the mission of the masterauthority that they represent and the next.“katham svid dhriyate dandah kim vasya sthanam ipsitamdandyah kim karinah sarve aho svit katicin nrnam” (S.B.6.1.39)Translation- What is the process of punishing others?Vishnudutas are enquiring, who are the actual candidates forpunishment? Are all karmis engaged in furtive activitiespunishable, or only some of them? So, no one knows, right?These things, so, this we could know. Vishnudutas haveenquired for our benefit. So the answer, we could be benefitedby the answer. The answer is coming up. Good to know, who iscandidate for punishment. So Yamadutas only punish Hindus’ orGermans’ also? One party, followers of buddha, they were partof their conversion campaign they were saying, “We don’tbelieve in this law of karma like Hindus do. So you shouldjoin our dharma. They are giving concession, our dharma isbetter. We don’t believe in law of karma. Come, please joinus. Those who believe they have to suffer; as you sow, soshall you reap. This is a law, law of karma. If someone wouldtell, no no we don’t believe, so you should join our religionis much easy and you know. So is that the way? If someonesays, no no we don’t believe in this law of karma, so is thatperson free from law of karma? Just because he says, oh! Wedon’t believe. So, in other words, Yamaduta’s Yamaraj has ajurisdiction over everybody. He’s coming up specially humanbeings for sure. So Prabhupad is pointing that out in this

purport but I just want you to think, may be this question didnot come up that Yamaraja and all these Yamadutas is only forHindus’ and you know Chinese people have nothing to do withthis. They have another, someone else, another Yamaraja oranother system infrastructure. No, the same thing, itsuniversal. One who has the power to punish others should notpunish everyone. Very wise statement Prabhupada is making, onewho has the power to punish others should not punish everyone,indiscriminately. There are innumerable living entities, themajority of whom are in the spiritual world and are nitya-mukta, everlastingly liberated. There is no question ofjudging these liberated living beings. This Yamadutas Yamarajahas no jurisdiction over all those living in the spiritualsky. Only a small fraction of the living entities, perhaps onefourth, are in the material world, right? tri paad vibhuti,one paad vibhuti spiritual sky is like a three forth of thekingdom creation and one forth is material world. So,Prabhupada is saying, perhaps only one fourth of thepopulation, living entities are here. And the major portion ofthe living entities in the material world — 8,000,000 forms ofthe 8,400,000 forms of life — are lower than human beings.They are not punishable, for under the laws of material naturethey are automatically evolving. So nobody from the spiritualsky is punishable and then out of the 8,400,000, 8,000,000 areother species. So they are also not punishable. A dog is notpunished if he crosses when the red light is on, does policearrest the dog? He is just irresponsible. So he would neverteach any tricks anything to the dog. So like that, so that’sremaining only 400,000 human beings who are advanced inKrishna Consciousness are responsible but not all of them arepunishable. Those engaged in advanced pious activities arebeyond punishment. So Prabhupada is just trying to analyze andsay who are the only parties punishable. Only those who engagein sinful activities are punishable. Therefore the Visnudutasparticularly inquired about who is punishable and why Yamarajahas to be designated to discriminate between who is punishableand who is not. How is one to be judged? What is the basic

principle of authority? These are the questions raised by theVisnudutas. So this is very advance knowledge. So good to knowthese things. ‘Yamaduta ucuh’ okay now is the turn…so thismorning we’ll just spend time listening to the Yamadutas(laughs) We have only time, that’s how the chapter ends the1st chapter. Now we begin talking with the text no. 40 to textno. 68, there are 29 verses these Yamaduta ucuh. Why ucuh?Many. If it was only one Yamadut, only one then uvach. Thenyou see sometimes ucuh means many are speaking. Ucuh uvach soplural number gets ucuh. Yamaduta ucuh. Now you know. So it’sdone. That ignorance is out. Now your knowledge, for rest ofyour life you know whenever there’s ucuh right? Next 30 40years you know ucuh means many persons are speaking. Easy,right? Just spend 1 minute or half minute to understandsomething and then you know once and for all.“veda-pranihito dharmo hy adharmas tad-viparyayahvedo narayanah saksatsvayambhur iti susruma” (S.B. 6.1.40)So, they have defined it is veda-pranihito, the vedas. What isprescribed in the vedas or done things as per prescriptions ofvedas that is dharma. And tad-viparyayah just opposite of thatis adharma, irreligion. They are defining like this. Vedonarayanah saksat, vedas are sakshat Narayan, this is Sanskrit.We should be capable to understand this much. Vedas aresakshat narayan, ya directly Narayan. ‘Sakshat haritvensamasta shastrey’ we sing every day. Sakshat hari, sakshatmeans Himself directly. So vedas are sakshat Narayan.‘Svayambhur iti susruma’ and ya we have heard this. We haveheard this from Yamaraja.Purport – The servants of Yamaraja replied quite properly.Prabhupada is giving his judgment, Prabhupad is satisfied;Yamarajas’ replies quite properly. They did not manufactureprinciples of religion or irreligion, no manufacturing.Instead, they explained what they had heard from the authorityYamaraja. ‘Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah’: one should followthe Mahajana, the authorized person. Yamaraja is one of twelveauthorities. They said susruma, Prabhupada is writing. Theysaid right? This word susruma. They said we have heard this.

But but we saying this to you that this vedo narayanah saksatiti susruma – we have heard this. Ofcourse we have heard thisfrom Yamaraja. Susruma, so this is the right way to acquireknowledge. Injunction of dharma emanate from breathing ofNarayan. And Srila Madhvacarya also makes a comment here, thetranscendental words of the Vedas emanated from the mouth ofthe Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore the Vedicprinciples should be understood to be Vaishnava principlesbecause Vishnu is the origin of the Vedas. The Vedas containnothing besides the instructions of Vishnu, and one whofollows the Vedic principles is a Vaishnava. So Vedas are alsoknown as ‘apaurushaya’ they call ‘apaurushaya’ means notspoken by a ordinary human being ‘apaurushaya’. Yamadutascontinue“yena sva-dhamny ami bhava rajah-sattva-tamomayahguna-nama-kriya-rupair vibhavyante yatha-tatham” (S.B. 6.1.41)Yena sva-dhamny ami – this is Narayan. Narayan resides in Hisown abode, they say. And although He resides in His own abodethrough the agency of rajah-sattva-tamo, He is creating thiswhole existence which is full of guna that is qualities, namathat is names, kriya that is activities, rupair that is forms.This world full of forms, qualities, activities is a creationof Narayan which He creates with the help of sattva-rajah-tamo. Although He is not personally here, yena sva-dhamnyalthough in His own abode, He’s creating everything. All thesemanifestations are, thus Narayan is the cause of entire cosmicmanifestation. Is that correct also? These Yamarajas are theycorrect? Not correct? Getting good marks. He is able to remainin His own abode, Prabhupada is writing, He (i.e. Narayan) isable to remain in His own abode and without endeavor superviseand manipulate the entire cosmic manifestation through theinteraction of the three modes of material nature — sattva,rajo and tamo. These interactions create different forms,bodies, activities and changes, which all occur perfectly.This is Lord’s creation, everything’s perfect and having saidthat much now Yamadutas are going to list of witnesses. Sowhen one commit sin, before they are sent to carry out the

order whether he is to be punished or rewarded to which bodyhe gets next. This all has to depend on, you know, the actualfacts about that person’s dealings, activities. So there hasto be witnesses. Someone to witness the activity of thatperson. So they say, so please take note of the witnesses. Lotof times we just look around, there’s no one here, just me andthen we go. Just do it. You feel good, just do it, don’t eventhink. Just see no one around, ok no one around. But theYamadutas say“suryo gnih kham marud devah somah sandhyahani disahkam kuh svayam dharma iti hy ete daihyasya saksinah” (S.B.6.1.42)Sakshi Gopal, you know, Sakshi Gopal, witness Gopal. Gopal whowitnessed. So saksinah, daihyasya saksinah, daihi- we aredaihi, embodied. So of daihi that is daihyasya. Daihyasyasaksinah – these are the witnesses of the activities performedby the conditioned soul. so who are they; surya-sun, agni-fire, kham-ether, shabdah khe, marud sound is in ether,shabdah khe, khe means ‘in’, so in ether there is sound that’sanother statement of Krishna from the 10th chapter of BhagvatGita. So marud-air, wherever you are there’s always air right?Could you go to somewhere where there’s no air? You could gobut not come back (laughter). So even air is a witness. Air isgiven, you think air is just passing by but air gathered allthe news (laughs) That air will go to Yamaraja and somehowpass the news on to him. Devah-demigod, somah-moon, sandhya-evening, sandhya-evening time sandhyakal, ahani-the day,dishah-directions, how many directions are there? 10; purva,pashchim, dakshin, uttar, agneya, nairrti, vayavya, ishanya,urdhva, adho. These are the ten names of ten directions. So,the ten directions, they are also witness. Kam i.e. water, kuhi.e. land, svayam dharma Yamaraja himself is also witness. Solike these are the witnesses.Now Prabhupada is writing the purport – once we had adiscussion with a learned Christian professor who argued thatalthough people are generally punished after the witnesses oftheir misdeeds are examined, after the witnesses of their

misdeeds are examined, ok, witnesses are examined. Someonecommitted misdeed and then witnesses are there right? Yes Iwas there, I saw, I took the photograph also and recording, Iwas right there. So when all these witnesses are examined thenthere should be punishment. This was the argument of thisChristian gentleman who was talking with Prabhupada, arguingwith Prabhupada, where are the witnesses responsible for one’ssuffering reactions of past karma? Oh! Your Yamaraja punishespeople, Hindu people or all the people but you know where arethe witnesses are? We committed sin, may be in a cave, in asecluded place or here there wherever. So how they have toexamine the witnesses, gather correct facts then only thejudgement is going to be right otherwise it will go wrong.Understand the argument of this priest; if you understand theargument of the priest then you will understand the reply. Yaunderstood? His point was normally the judgment comes afterhearing the witnesses about someone’s misdeed. So many people,so many living entities they are punished but where are thewitnesses? So judgment is not going to be wrong. It is goingto be wrong according to him.Ok then Prabhupada is now, to such a person the answer by theYamadutas is given here. Prabhupada is not giving any answerhimself. The Yamadutas have given answer to the question orargument of this Christian professor, a conditioned soulthinks that he is working stealthily. Stealthily? Stealing youknow stealing like a thief. Stealthily is working withoutanybody noticing while any action is being performed. So soulthinks, conditioned soul thinks that he is working stealthilyand that no one can see his sinful activities, but we canunderstand from the sastras that there are many witnesses, wejust find out from sastras witness is like sun, fire, likethat, sky, air, moon and like that but doesn’t differentwitnesses. Where is the dearth of witnesses? The witnesses andthe Supreme Lord both exist, and therefore so many livingentities are elevated to higher planetary systems or degradedto lower planetary systems, including hellish planets. Thereare no discrepancies, for everything is arranged perfectly by

the management of the Supreme God (svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriyaca). See how the creation of God works. we get to know this.Ok, they continue“etair adharmo vijnatah sthanam dandasya yujyatesarve karmanurodhena dandam arhanti karinah” (S.B. 6.1.43)Translation – The candidates for punishment are those who areconfirmed by these many witnesses to have deviated from theirprescribed regulative duties. Everyone engaged in furtiveactivities is suitable to be subjected to punishment accordingto his sinful acts. Questions were raised, who are thecandidates for punishment? And Yamadutas say that everyoneengaged in furtive activities is going to be punishedaccording to the sinful acts. So the witnesses, the differentones, they say yes yes we know that this person deviated fromthe prescribed regulative duties. He is a brahmin and thisprescribed duty and he is kshatriya, he is a brahmachari,here’s this, here’s that and each one has prescribed duty andall these personalities appointed to act as witnesses, theyhave been trained, they know what are the regulativeprinciples, what is dharma and what is not dharma and allthat. So through the eyes of the scriptures and keeping allthese prescribed duties, knowledge in forefront of their mind,they are looking at different personalities. And as soon asthey go against, they deviate from the prescribed duty,immediately who is sleeping there in middle of Bhagvatam thiswill be reported right? Speaker may not take notice but thereis, the witnesses are around. The news is all the time thecommunication is and for each one of us there is one file.Yamaraja has super computer and the data is all the timeupdated and plus minus because person may leave anytime soreport has to be ready (laughter). Not that he is dead andpending file and do review and do all calculations who knows.No as soon as the person is no more which could be anytime, sothe data has to be ever ready, perfect. Prabhupada just said,Lord’s management is perfect, no delays.“yena yavan yathadharmo dharmo veha samihitahsa eva tat-phalam bhunkte tatha tavad amutra vai” (S.B.

6.1.45)‘Yena yavan yathadharmo dharmo veha samihitah’ so according tothe activities dharmic-religious or irreligious we performthen that persons gets the phalam-the fruit, either bitterfruit or sweeter sweet fruit, amutra vai-in the next lifeaccordingly he gets the body. ‘Karmana daiva netrena sat asatjanma yonishu’, karmana daiva netrena- the karma, they haveeyes, daiva netrena, sat asat janma yonishu- yoni means speciesat means higher specie, asat means lower specie. According toone’s karma, one gets higher body or lower body. In proportionto the extent of one’s religious actions in this life, onemust enjoy or suffer corresponding actions of this karma inthe next. Srila Prabhupada is quoting verse from Bhagvat Gita,“urdhvam gacchanti sattva-stha madhye tisthanti rajasahjaghanya guna vrtti-stha adho gacchanti tamasah” (Bhagavad-gita 14.18). Urdhvam gacchanti- upwards go, sattva-stha-person situated in mode of goodness they go upwards. Thenmadhye- in the middle, tisthanti rajasah- persons in the modeof passion, they stay in the middle and adho gacchanti- adhomeans down gacchanti means go tamasah- people in mode ofignorance go down mode of passion stay? Where? Middle andGoodness upwards. So goodness means pious activity so they goto heaven, the tamasic sinful activity they go the hellishplanets and rajasah the passionate ones, they stay in themiddle, this planet, we know the planet system. So this is14th chapter 18th verse of Bhagvat Gita. So Prabhupada hasquoted that verse supporting Yamaduta’s statement. Like thatthey just as the spring time the omnipotent Yamaraja is asgood as Brahma they say, they talk about their masterYamaraja. For while situated in his own abode or in everyone’sheart like Paramatma, he mentally observes past activities ofa living entity and thus understands how living entity willact in future lives. Such is a power of Yamaraja, he couldjust think of his present and past activities and he couldimmediately visualize that he would act like this in futureand then accordingly he has given the bodies. One should notconsider Yamaraja an ordinary living being, he is as good as

Lord Brahma, he has competent, co-operation of Supreme Lordwho is situated in everyone’s heart and therefore by the graceof Supersoul, he can see the past, present and future of allliving beings from within, from within himself, he could seethis. The actual decisions concerning next lives of entitiesare made by Supersoul and they are carried out by Yamaraja. Sothere is a co-operation, they work as a team or Lord has afinal say, Supersoul has a final say in the matter thenYamaraja does the execution of the will of the Lord. We areskipping some verses here for some time constraints are there.So,“pancabhih kurute svarthan panca vedatha pancabhihekas tu sodasena trin svayam saptadaso ’snute” (S.B. 6.1.50)The living entity enjoys or suffer. They say conditioned soulhas five working senses, five objects of senses are there andfive knowledge acquiring senses i.e. fifteen; five, five, fiveand then what is the sixteenth item is mind and seventeenth isa living entity himself. So like that, the seventeen togetherthey have connection with the subtle body and so according toknowledge acquired and particular kind of knowledge acquired,actions perform they enjoy or suffer differently. So someenjoy shoka that’s lamentation, harsha, bhaya, artidam (S.B.6.1.51). The subtle body is endowed with sixteen parts — thefive knowledge-acquiring senses, the five working senses, thefive objects of sense gratification, and the mind. This subtlebody is an effect of the three modes of material nature. It iscomposed of insurmountably strong desires, and therefore itcauses the living entity to transmigrate from one body toanother in human, animal life and life as a demigod.So, and there are few more verses, no, they are not many morebut few, just then replying to the questions raised byVishnudutas and towards the end now, last 10 verses.Vishnudutas are going to describe in more detail, giving somemore details of the life, sinful life of Ajamila, this dasi-pati Ajamila. And then in conclusion they say yes, this is thereason, this is the reason we want to bring him to Yamaloka.So they want to make their case. So they have given some

reading through philosophical explanations and now lifehistory again. We are studying the life of this dasi-patirajamilah.“Ayam hi sruta-sampannah sila-vrtta-gunalayah” (S.B. 6.1.56)He was…ya, so pay attention, important details are there. Sodo not miss anything, Yes so they say he was sruta-sampannah-means he used to hear a lot from right sources ‘Sravanamkirtanam visnoh smaranam’ (SB 7.5.23). He was doing this,nityam Bhagvat sevaya, studying shastras, vedas, he was doingthis regularly. Sila-vrtta-gunalayah- he was well behaved, hehad a very bright character and he was full of so many goodqualities, dhrta-vrato- following so many vows, he used tofast on ekadashi and like that. We have also taken vrat, whatis our vrat? Katha vrat, katha-vrati, we have katha-vrati.Right now we are following vrat of katha, katha vrat. There isbrahmachari vrat, ekadashi vrat, different vratas. Right nowthere is a month of ‘Purushottam mass’. You heard of that?‘Purushottam mas’ every after 3 years, one additional monthappears called Purushottam and lot of people if you go toVrindavan now, it’s so crowded. Started 3 weeks ago, 1 moreweek to go. So this month is considered very very auspiciousespecially for hearing and chanting. People drop their routinebusinesses and go to the holy places, stay there for wholemonth, following different vows, eating; they follow lot ofeating restrictions. If you don’t eat salt, you’ll have asweet voice and this and that, if you don’t drink milk, itgives benefit like that. So people follow lot of differentvows and minimize their bodily demands and increase thespiritual practices during this month. All the holy places arecrowded right now in India. Go to any and every holy place,people are coming in big numbers for darshan of the deitiesand taking holy dip, of course that’s the favorite pastime.Let’s take a holy dip, as soon as they come they want to findwhere have to take bath, bathing ghat, bathing ghat, snan,there’s a snan ghat, bathing ghat.So, different vratas. Purushottam mass follow, this is alsoanother vrat. So he was ‘dhrta-vrato’- he used to follow lots

of vows. And ‘mrdur’- he was very mild person. Now he wasarrogant but one time and ‘dantah’- he was sense and mindcontroller and he had mind and controlled his mind and sensesto great extent and ‘satya-van mantra-vic chucih’ (S.B.6.1.56)- yes he was very clean, always speaking truthfully,speaking truth, no lies, talking about the previous, beforecoming in contact with the prostitute, he was like that andthey have information about that. How are they saying this?How did Yamadutas came to know this? How? Supersoul?Witnesses, Yes, so many witnesses, good news also, they areinformed, not that only sinful activities, someone is doinggood, that is also reported, that is also on the computerscreen, that also appears. And he used to be very respectfuland he had service attitude. “Guru-agny-atithi-vrddh” (SB6.1.57) four parties mentioned he used to serve, berespectful, serving Gurus, fire, guests and old people andother parties and these people respecting agni is what? Lightthe fire and do swaha swaha or use the fire for cooking forthe Lord i.e. worshipping, serving fire and guests should betreated as God, old people are wise people hence they areuseful people in Vedic culture. So they should be respected,looked after not because they have become old now, just killthem it’s useless you know; get a gun wipe them out, no…old isgold, they have so much experience and so they could just sitdown, they cannot run around so much but they can…they havebrain they have experience in Vedic times. So they have beenpracticing how they overcame different difficulties in theirlife, this obstacle that maya, this that so they are seasonedso they could share their knowledge. So that’s a wealth tohave such access. Sometimes we say in our KrishnaConsciousness movement, we don’t have grand old mothers, grandold fathers, mostly young people or just 1st generation or oneand half generation only but…so we are lacking to some extentand we have Prabhupada, the whole living experienced peoplegone through ups and downs and thick and thin of the life.Such people they help us, advice us, guide us, inspire us.So this Ajamila used to be very respectful. As soon as old

person walks into the bus, young people should stand up andplease take the seat or some Sanyasi comes, now they don’tcare (Maharaj laughs) we keep standing they don’t know, theydon’t even know this is Sanyasi, they see he is carrying dand,they think he is also going for fishing (laughter) they don’tknow what he is carrying, fishing rod fishing rod. We say yesyes fishing. This is an ocean of material, this is ocean so wefish, fish out people of this ocean so fisherman. So theydon’t even know we are Sanyasi what to speak of respecting himor offering a seat or anything of service. So that’s the stateof affairs. So more of his qualities are mentioned here thathe was non envious- anasuyakah and mita-vag and there’s amita-bhuk, vag means speach mita-vag means just speaking onlywhen it is necessary. He was not just talkative, talkingtalking he was mita-vag. They say because God has given us twoears and how many mouths? One mouth. So hearing should betwice compared to talk. Normally we do other way round. Wetalk more, hear less. We don’t want to hear, we only talk. Sothis person, he was mita-vag. Sarva-bhuta-suhrt – he was veryfriendly to all living entities and sadhur – was very gentleperson. So these are…that’s why he is said, described assruta-sampannah – he was sampanna, well educated in Vedicknowledge. So having described his good qualities during hisyouthful days, now comes, so then what happened, ekada (S.B.6.1.58) once upon a time he vanam yatah he was going into theforest garden pitr-sandesa-krd dvijah and he was going therebecause his father had sent him to do what? Adaya tataavrttah- to go and collect some phala- friuts puspa- flowersand grass samit then kusan there are two kinds of grassesrequired for the puja.So while he was out there on a mission of collecting flowersand fruits and special grass required for puja, somethinghappened. Dadarsa (S.B. 6.1.59) he saw “kaminam kancic shudramsaha bhujisyaya” he saw one shudra- person in company of aprostitute and the prostitute has been described here as a“pitva ca madhu maireyam madaghurnita-netraya” and she hadtaken, she had drunk so much vodka, vodka? Russia what do they

drink, vodka vodka or German bear she had taken so much “pitvaca madhu maireyam” that her eyes were rolling, she was justintoxicated like anything eyes were rolling. He was seeingthis; this person was seeing all this. “Mattaya vislathan-nivya vyapetam nirapatrapam” (S.B. 6.1.60) and as a result herbody was not…she was not even aware which part of her body iscovered with clothes which parts are naked and vyapetamnirapatrapam – she was shameless. So either under theinfluence of the intoxication, the drink she had drunk, shehad taken so much of that or purposely she was just notcovering herself properly and what else? Kridantam – she wasplayful and gayantam – she was singing glories of the sudra,this person, low class person, oh how beautiful how this howthat hasantam – laughing, anayantike – so together all theywere busy like that. Does that sound familiar? Yes, we don’thave to read in Bhagvatam. This is…just go down the street andit is all there, worse than this. Prabhupada writes, whiletraveling along the public way, Ajamila came upon a fourth-class, not even third-class, fourth-class man and aprostitute, who are vividly described here. The drunkennesswas sometimes manifest even in bygone ages, although not veryfrequently. Previous ages some drunkenness would manifest. Inthis Age of Kali, however, such sin is to be seen everywhere,for people all over the world have become shameless.Long ago, when he saw the scene of the drunken sudra and theprostitute, Ajamila who was a perfect brahmacari, wasaffected. Nowadays such sin is visible in so many places, andwe must consider the position of a brahmacari student who seessuch behavior, Prabhupada is concerned. For such a brahmacarito remain steady is very difficult unless he is extremelystrong in following the regulative principles. Nevertheless,if one takes to Krishna consciousness very seriously, he canwithstand the provocation created by sin. In our Krishnaconsciousness movement we prohibit illicit sex, intoxication,meat-eating and gambling. In Kali-yuga, a drunk, half-nakedwoman embracing a drunken man is a very common sight,especially in the Western countries, and restraining oneself

after seeing such things is very difficult. Nevertheless, ifby the grace of Krishna one adheres to the regulativeprinciples and chants the Hare Krishna mantra, Krishna willcertainly protect him. So, difficult but not impossible,Prabhupada is trying to…like that, things are difficult.“drstva tam kama-liptena bahuna parirambhitamjagama hrc-chaya-vasam sahasaiva vimohitah” (S.B. 6.1.61)So drstva tam kama – so first he was described what a niceperson he was full of so many qualities. The next thing isseen. He had to see this sudra and prostitute embracing thatscene. Drstva – by seeing this kama-liptena – full of kama,full of lust and parirambhitam i.e. hand, arms, they wereembracing each other jagama hrc-chaya-vasam – he followedthat, his thoughts went, he contemplated and he was taken overby this scene, the desire aroused within him and he becamebewildered. Thus see what more he is doing.“stambhayann atmanatmanam yavat sattvam yatha-srutamna sasaka samadhatummano madana-vepitam” (S.B. 6.1.62)So he was trying to use his intelligence. What he was seeing,he was trying to stay transcendental. Atmanatmanam, atmanameans using his intelligence, he was trying to ‘uddharedatmanatmanam natmanam avasadayet’ (B.G 6.5) in 6th chapter ofBhagvat Gita Krishna advices that one should lift himself, notphysically but use of intelligence ‘atmanatmanam natmanamavasadayet’ – make sure you we don’t fall down. ‘Atmaiva hyatmano bandhur atmaiva ripur atmanah’ – the mind is one’s bestfriend or the mind could be best enemy, this is 6th chapterBhagvat Gita. So with the mind one should try to, with theintelligence try to keep oneself on higher level and make suremind is not degrading oneself ourself, this is Krishna’sadvice. So mind could be enemy, mind could be friend. So underthe circumstances he is trying he struggled used all hisspiritual strength. Yatha-srutam – because he was trained hewas told he had been hearing katha and all that. So all thetechniques, all the knowledge under the circumstances what todo he was trying to apply that to this particular situation.Na sasaka samadhatum – however he did not become successful,

he fall prey to the strong maya situation and mano madana-vepitam – his mind started more hesitation, fluctuation and itbecame stronger than the intelligence. Intelligence stoppedfunctioning, mind took over madana i.e. lust, madana-vepitam,madanamohan. This kama the arrows pierced and he couldn’t takethem out and then,“tan-nimitta-smara-vyaja- graha-grasto vicetanahtam eva manasa dhyayan sva-dharmad virarama ha” (S.B. 6.1.63)So in the same way that the sun and moon are eclipsed by a lowplanet, the brahmana lost all his good sense. Taking advantageof this situation, he always thought of the prostitute, andwithin a short time he took her as a servant in his house.Haribol, done deal, deal closed. Means lot more happened, hecontemplated, he bewildered and then he took all the necessarysteps, all the actions and he took her into his house,abandoned all the regulative principles of a brahmana and asprostitute entered his home, that was end of all thebrahmanical practices at home. By speaking this verse,Sukadeva Gosvami wants to impress upon the mind of the readerthat Ajamila’s exalted position as a brahmana was vanquishedby his association with the prostitute, so much so that heforgot all his brahmanical activities. At the end of his life,by chanting the four syllables of the name Narayana, he wassaved from the gravest danger of falling down. ‘Svalpam apyasya dharmasya trayate mahato bhayat’ (B.G 2.40) so onlybecause he had performed those activities, pious and somespiritual activities before coming in contact with prostitute.So that, some progress that he had made, he was saved. He wasable to chant and Lord saved him. So he has chanted, he haschanted Narayan few times, finished. I am going to do the samething, now I know; like that people give some ideas. In India,people say, ohh…so practice low then forget it all and thensay Narayan Narayan, when Yamadutas come, Narayan Narayan. Goback to Godhead. It may not work like that (laugh) that ischeating. That’s not the lesson this Bhagvatam is teaching us.Ok, few more verses. Thus Ajamila began spending whatevermoney he had inherited from his father to satisfy the

prostitute with various material presentations so that shewould remain pleased with him. He gave up all his brahmanicalactivities to satisfy the prostitute. Pitryenarthena (S.B.6.1.64) – his father’s property, father’s money and he spendthat on his prostitute.“vipram sva-bharyam apraudham kule mahati lambhitamvisasarjacirat papah svairinyapanga-viddha-dhih” (S.B. 6.1.65)Now, so ya, he married. He was already married to a brahmana’sdaughter. So he threw her out, Brahmana’s daughter he threwher out and replaced her with the prostitute. This is whatYamadutas are saying this, that’s why we want to punish him.He even gave up the company of his very beautiful young wife,who came from a very respectable brahmana family. Althoughborn of a brahmana family, this rascal…this rascal, bereft ofintelligence because of the prostitute’s association, earnedmoney somehow or other, regardless of whether properly orimproperly, and used it to maintain the prostitute’s sons anddaughters. ‘Nyayato ’nyayato dhanam’ (S.B. 6.1.66) legalillegal means he earned money and spend it on. So they saythis brahmana irresponsibly spent his long lifetimetransgressing all the rules and regulations of the HolyScripture, living extravagantly and eating food prepared by aprostitute. Therefore he is full of sins. He is unclean and isaddicted to forbidden activities. (S.B. 6.1.67). Purport –Food prepared by an unclean, sinful man or woman, especially aprostitute, is extremely infectious. Ajamila ate such food,and therefore he was subject to be punished by Yamaraja. Andhere is the final statement and conclusion of proposal byYamadutas.“tata enam danda-paneh sakasam krta-kilbisamnesyamo ’krta-nirvesam yatra dandena suddhyati” (S.B. 6.1.68)We want to purify him, but how? Yama-danda, the stick ofYamaraja. When he gets all the beating, then he’ll come to thesenses. Want to straighten him out, that’s the only way hecould be cured and rectified. This man Ajamila did not undergoatonement. Therefore because of his sinful life, we must takehim into the presence of Yamaraja for punishment. There,

according to the extent of his sinful acts, he will bepunished and thus purified. So they are sticking to theirproposal, they are convinced. This is what to be done withthis Ajamila. The Visnudutas had forbidden the Yamadutas totake Ajamila to Yamaraja, and therefore the Yamadutasexplained that taking such a man to Yamaraja was appropriate.Since Ajamila had not undergone atonement for his sinful acts,he was to be taken to Yamaraja to be purified. When a mancommits murder he becomes sinful, and therefore he also mustbe killed; otherwise after death he must suffer many sinfulreactions. Similarly, punishment by Yamaraja is a process ofpurification for the most abominable sinful persons. Thereforethe Yamadutas requested the Visnudutas not to obstruct theirtaking Ajamila to Yamaraja.Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports of the Sixth Canto, FirstChapter, of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, entitled “The History ofthe Life of Ajamila.”So take a break for one hour and then…so you could digest thismuch. Contemplate on the life of Ajamila and then when youcome back we will now listen to Vishnudutas. Vishnudutas aregoing to give befitting reply. Just see how they could sortthis out.