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SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR

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TRANSCRIPT OF A MEETING

OF THE

STATE OF NEVADA

PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD

Wednesday, March 7, 2018

9:00 a.m.

Northern Nevada Location:

Office of the Attorney General

100 North Carson Street

Mock Court Room

Carson City, Nevada

Southern Nevada Location (Videoconferenced):

Grant Sawyer State Office Building

555 East Washington Avenue

Attorney General Conference Room, Suite 4500

Las Vegas, Nevada

REPORTED BY: SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR

Certified Court, Shorthand and Registered Merit Reporter

Nevada CCR #322, California CSR #8753, Idaho CSR #485

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PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD MEETING, 03-07-18


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A P P E A R A N C E S

Board Members Present:

Mark Zane, Chairman (Las Vegas)

Jim Colbert (Carson City)

Raymond Flynn (absent)

Jim Nadeau (Carson City)

Tammy Nixon (Las Vegas)

Also: Kevin Ingram (Las Vegas)

Executive Director

Rosalie Bordelove (Las Vegas)

Deputy Attorney General

Board Counsel

Lori Irizarry (Las Vegas)

Chief of Operations

Gisela Corral (Las Vegas)

Licensing Specialist

Vincent Saladino (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Shelly Donald (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Paul Maxwell (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Zachary Swarthout (Las Vegas)

Investigator

Shawn Mahan (Carson City)

Investigator

Jacquelyn Cox (Carson City)

Administrative Assistant

(continued...)



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Other Participants:

David A. Stewart (Las Vegas)

Jack C. Fetrow (Las Vegas)

Walter P. Kodba (Las Vegas)

William H. Whitfield (Las Vegas)

Kenneth C. Huebner (Las Vegas)

David J. Nottoli (Las Vegas)

Michael P. Dorris (Las Vegas)

William L. Brattain (Las Vegas)

John G. McCluskey (Las Vegas)

Sammy J. Smith (Las Vegas)

Myra D. Cole (Las Vegas)

Victor L. Dunn (Las Vegas)

Jason R. Logsdon (Las Vegas)

Howard Bias III (Las Vegas)

Jennifer A. Logan (Las Vegas)

Wesley J. Jennings (Las Vegas)

Cary A. Imamura (Las Vegas)

Judith A. Guthrie (Las Vegas)

Eugene Brown (Las Vegas)

Timothy Todd Confair (Carson City)

Kisha Cooley (Las Vegas)

Daryl Davis (Las Vegas)

Adam Elhifny (Carson City)

Nicholas Giaquinto (Las Vegas)

Ivan Hamilton (Las Vegas)

Vincenzo Esposito (Las Vegas)

Tracy Holman (Las Vegas)

Wesley Jones (Las Vegas)

Wade Alonzo Manning (Las Vegas)

Bryan Neely (Las Vegas)

Charles Perkins (Las Vegas)

Romeo Robinson (Las Vegas)

Ronnie Junior Saunders (Las Vegas)

Mitch Stiltner (Las Vegas)

Dennis Bravo (Las Vegas)

Tyger Summerise (Las Vegas)

Steven Tayrien (Las Vegas)

Julio Chea (Las Vegas)

Darnell Morris (Las Vegas)



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I N D E X

ITEM PAGE

1. Roll Call of Board Members 12

2. Public Comment 12

3. Review current financial report 13

4. Review and approve transcript from

December, 2017 Board meeting

"for possible action" 14

5. All applicants and witnesses to be sworn in 15

ITEMS CARRIED OVER FROM DECEMBER BOARD MEETING

6. Invictus International Holdings, LLC, dbas,

Invictus International and Invictus GS3,

license number 2282B is seeking Member approval

for Stephen F. Krueger. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements. 15


7. David A. Stewart is requesting a change in

licensing status. Mr. Stewart is requesting

that his individual license, license number

1031AX be kept in abeyance so that he may

become the qualifying agent for Kolb, Stewart &

Associates, Inc., license number 1031.

Corporate Officers to be approved are Jill A.

Stewart and Patricia J. Hulett. This is

subject to all statutory and regulatory

requirements. "for possible action" 17

8. Donan Engineering Co., Inc. is applying for a

new corporate Private Investigator license.

Jack C. Fetrow is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. If approved, he

is requesting that his individual license be

placed into abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Corporate Officer to be

approved is James Lyle Donan. This is subject

to all statutory and regulatory requirements.




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CORPORATE OFFICER

9. Drase Adjusting Services, LLC, license number

951 is seeking Corporate Officer approval for

Peggy M. Martin. This is subject to all



10. G4S Secure Solutions (USA), Inc., license

number 1563 is seeking Corporate Officer

approval for Michael J. Hogsten. This is



CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS - QUALIFYING AGENT, EXISTING

CORP

11. Steven E. Boehm is requesting a change in

licensing status. Mr. Boehm is requesting


1898BX be kept in abeyance so that he may

become the qualifying agent for Global Eagle

Security, LLC, license number 1631. This is



12. Neil D. Heath is requesting a change in

licensing status. Mr. Heath is requesting


2393CX be kept in abeyance so that he may

become the qualifying agent for ProVest

Litigation Services LLC, license number 2394C.

This is subject to all statutory and

regulatory requirements.


CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS - QUALIFYING AGENT, NEW CORP

13. Superior Protection Services NV, LLC is

applying for a new Private Patrolman license.

If approved, Walter P. Kodba, license number

1674 is requesting that his individual license

be kept in abeyance so that he may become the

qualifying agent. Corporate Officers to be

approved are Victor V. Polek and Daniel J.

Vincent. This is subject to all statutory

and regulatory requirements.




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14. Bulwerks L.L.C. is applying for a new Private

Patrolman license. If approved, William H.

Whitfield, license numbers 2303B is requesting

that his individual licenses be placed into

abeyance so that he may become the qualifying

agent. Member to be approved is Kenneth C.

Huebner. This is subject to all statutory



15. Vesp Consulting LLC is applying for a new

corporate Private Investigator and Private

Patrolman license. If approved, Gavin J. Vesp,

license numbers 2033A and B is requesting that

his individual licenses be placed into abeyance

so that he may become the qualifying agent.

This is subject to all statutory and regulatory


16. Reese's Pieces, LLC is applying for a new

corporate Process Server license. If approved,

Richard R. Reese, license number 1505 is

requesting that his individual license be


qualifying agent. This is subject to all

statutory and regulatory requirements.


PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR

17. Merge Investigations, Inc. is applying for a

new corporate Private Investigator License.

David J. Nottoli is applying for an individual







18. Dorris & Associates LLC is applying for a new

corporate Private Investigator license.

Michael P. Dorris is applying for an individual









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19. William L. Brattain, dba, Brattain

Investigations is applying for an individual

Private Investigator license. This is subject



PRIVATE PATROLMAN

20. Brosnan Risk Consultants, Ltd. is applying for

a new corporate Private Patrolman license.

John G. McCluskey is applying for an

individual Private Patrolman license. If

approved, he is requesting that his individual

license be placed into abeyance so that he may

become the qualifying agent. Corporate Officer

to be approved is Patrick J. Brosnan. This is



21. Kerberos International, Inc. is applying for

a new corporate Private Patrolman license.

Sammy J. Smith is applying for an individual

Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is



qualifying agent. Corporate Officer to be

approved is Myra D. Cole. This is subject to

all statutory and regulatory requirements.


22. R & G Securities LLC, dba, R & G Securities is

applying for a new corporate Private Patrolman

license. Garnetta Brown is applying for an

individual license. If approved, she is

requesting that her individual license be

placed into abeyance so that she may become

the qualifying agent. This is subject to all



23. 705 Investigations, LLC is applying for a new

corporate Private Patrolman license. Victor L.

Dunn is applying for an individual Private

Patrolman license. If approved, he is








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24. Jason R. Logsdon is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for Marksman Security

Corporation license number 1791B. This is



25. Howard Bias III is applying for an individual




qualifying agent for Weiser Security Services,

Inc., license number 1400. This is subject to



CANINE HANDLER

26. Veteran Global Security and Training Services

L.L.C. is applying for a new corporate Canine

Handler license. Jennifer A. Logan is applying

for an individual Canine Handler license. If

approved, she is requesting that her individual

license be placed into abeyance so that she may

become the qualifying agent. Members to be

approved are Cary A. Imamura and Wesley J.

Jennings. This is subject to all statutory and



27. DTA K9 Services, LLC is applying for a new

corporate Canine Handler license. Dan E.

Taylor, Jr. is applying for an individual

license. If approved, he is requesting that

his individual license be placed into abeyance

so that he may become the qualifying agent.

Member to be approved is Kimberly A. Taylor.



28. Reliance Security, Inc. is applying for a new

corporate Canine Handler license. Judith A.

Guthrie is applying for an individual Canine

Handler license. If approved, she is requesting

that her individual license be placed into

abeyance so that she may become the qualifying

agent. This is subject to all statutory and



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REGISTRATION APPEALS

29. Eugene Brown applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Brown is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


30. Timothy Todd Confair applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Confair is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


31. Kisha Cooley applied for registration and was

denied. Ms. Cooley is appealing the decision



32. Daryl Davis applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Davis is appealing the decision



33. Adam Elhifny applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Elhifny is appealing the decision



34. Nicholas Giaquinto applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Giaquinto is appealing

the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.


35. Ivan Hamilton applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Hamilton is appealing the



36. Johnny Hardwick applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Hardwick is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 113




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37. Tracy Holman applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Holman is appealing the



38. Wesley Jones applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Jones is appealing the decision



39. Steve Larkey applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Larkey is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 121


40. Wade Alonzo Manning applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Alonzo is appealing the



41. Bryan Neely applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Neely is appealing the decision



42. Charles Perkins applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Perkins is appealing the



43. Romeo Robinson applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Robinson is appealing the



44. Ronnie Junior Saunders applied for registration

and was denied. Mr. Saunders is appealing the



45. Sarah Schayes applied for registration and was

denied. Ms. Schayes is appealing the decision

to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 145


46. Mitch Stiltner applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Stiltner is appealing the





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47. Tyger Summerise applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Summerise is appealing the



48. Crystal Sunier applied for registration and

was denied. Ms. Sunier is appealing the

decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 166


49. Steven Tayrien applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Tayrien is appealing the



50. Julio Chea applied for registration and was

denied. Mr. Chea is appealing the decision



51. Darnell Morris applied for registration and

was denied. Mr. Morris is appealing the



OTHER BUSINESS

52. Board Comment and future agenda items


53. Public Comment 204

54. Adjournment "for possible action" 205



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CARSON CITY, NEVADA, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 7, 2018, 9:13 A.M.

-oOo-

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We'll call the meeting to

order. This is the first quarter meeting of the Private

Investigators Licensing Board. If you're not here for

that, you're in the wrong room.

The first item is the agenda is roll call of

the Board members.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Colbert?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Nadeau?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Board Member Nixon?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.

MR. INGRAM: And Chairman Zane?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Here.

MR. INGRAM: Ray Flynn will not be attending

the meeting today.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. The next item is

item number two, public comment.

We have a period dedicated for public comment

at the beginning of the meeting and at the end of the

meeting. So if you want to wait till the end of the

meeting to make any public comment, you're welcome to do

so. If you want to make a public comment now, you're



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welcome to do so, so that you don't have to stay the

duration of the meeting.

Basically, public comment is anything that a

member of the public thinks that this Board needs to

hear that is not on the agenda. If you are going to

speak to an item on the agenda, you should wait till the

agenda item is up and ready for consideration, because

that's a more orderly flow.

So if there's anyone that has public comment

that you think that the Board needs to hear, if you'd

come forward.

Is there any public comment in the north?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: No.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: No.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any public comment in the

south?

Seeing none, we will move to agenda item

numbers three, and that's a review of the current

financial report.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The

financial report's been provided to the Board members.

And if there's any questions, I'll be happy to answer

them.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Are there any Board

questions regarding the report?



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The report's available as a public record

document; is that correct?

MR. INGRAM: That is correct.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you.

Is there any public comment regarding the

financial report?

And usually we don't do a motion to accept. We

just hear what there has to be heard and move on.

Item number four, review and approve

transcripts from the December 2017 Board meeting.

Is there any Board comments about the

transcripts?

Is there a motion regarding the transcripts of

the December meeting?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I

move to approve the transcript for the December 2017

Board meeting.


We have a motion. Is there a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion and a

second. Any Board comment regarding the motion?

All in favor, say "aye."



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(Board members said "aye.")

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Opposed, say "no."

Carries unanimous.

Item number five, all applicants and witnesses

to be sworn in.

This is a point in time where if you intend to

testify or give any information with regard to an item

on the agenda, we require that that testimony or those

statements be taken under oath, under the penalty of

perjury. And so everyone who anticipates that, at this

time we do a group swear, so that we don't have to do it

one at a time as the items come up on the agenda. So if

you'd stand and raise your right hand. And counsel will

give you an oath.

MS. BORDELOVE: Do you all swear to tell the

truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

(Potential witnesses in Las Vegas and Carson

City were sworn.)

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you very much.

Item number six, this falls under the category

of items carried over from December Board meeting. Item

number six is Invictus International Holdings, LLC.

Mr. Ingram, can you tell us why we brought this

back?

MR. INGRAM: Yes, Mr. Chairman. There was an



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individual that was unable to make the meeting, so we

carried this forward so that they could be present

before you today.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Is there someone

here for item number six, Invictus International

Holdings?

Anybody in the north?



BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: How about we'll trail

this item, since they were not here last time, they're

not here yet. Travel, whatnot, can be a problem. So

how about we trail item number six till the end of the

agenda?

MR. INGRAM: Okay.


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number seven,

David -- excuse me.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you, Mr. Chair. It

seems to me that there was a question as to the

Secretary of State's filings on this corporation. Do we

have any update on that? I believe, you brought that

forward.

MR. INGRAM: Paul, do you have any update on

number six, on the Secretary of State clarification?



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MR. MAXWELL: (Shook head negatively.)

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

We'll just trail it.


Item number seven, David Stewart? Is David

Stewart here?

MR. INGRAM: He's here.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Come forward, please, if

you can.

Sorry to make you run the gauntlet.

MR. STEWART: I just had some surgery.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you for coming.

MR. STEWART: Thanks.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. The item, number

seven, David Stewart, was brought over from December.

Do you recall what the specific issue was?

MR. STEWART: Yes, sir. Due to the surgery.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. That's right.

Okay. Mr. Stewart, could you give us a little bit of

background and tell us what you hope to achieve through

the licensing.

MR. STEWART: Well, we've had a license here

for some time. My qualifying agent was Rich Roca. And

he resigned to form his own company. So he's up and

operating. So I want my license to be put back into



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force so I can take over in the interim. We're looking

for another qualifying agent. I'm the manager for the

office right now.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. So you're just

complying with the rules to keep everything alive.

MR. STEWART: Trying to do what I'm supposed to

do.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is there any public

comment regarding item number seven?

Any Board comment regarding number seven?

Entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Mr. Chairman?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes, sir. Or yes, ma'am.

I'm used to Mr. Flynn.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Sorry. Sorry. I move

that we change licensing status for David A. Stewart and

take his license out of abeyance, license number 1031AX,

and because he'd be allowed to become the qualifying

agent for Kolb, Stewart & Associates, license number

1031. Corporate officers to be approved are Jill

Stewart and Patricia Hulett. That's it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. We have a motion.

Do we have a second?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Second, and, but may we

have discussion?



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MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chairman, if I may interrupt,

Mr. Stewart will not be taking his individual license

out of abeyance. It will be kept in abeyance. He

currently has it in abeyance. So he will not be

activating that individual. It'll stay in abeyance for

him to become the qualifying agent. I just wanted to

qualify that for the record. Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Mr. Nadeau?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: There was a question last

meeting, it seems, also dealing with the Secretary of

State. And I'm not real clear. But, Chairman Zane, I

believe, you brought it up, but something about the

corporate officers that were approved in this were not

on the Secretary of State's listing. I don't remember

the exact issue, but that -- do you recall what your

question was, or what? There was a question about the

corporate officers.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I believe, on those two,

on this particular one, I believe that there was an

issue whether or not, I think, whether or not Ms. Hulett

was a member at the time.

MR. STEWART: I think, that might have been one

of the questions. But I did buy out my partner of 35

years. And I believe that his name and his wife's name

were on the old documents. So we've got those all



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cleared up now.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay.

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Maxwell confirmed that.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What's that?

MR. INGRAM: Investigator Maxwell did confirm

that.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Apparently, the

Secretary of State issue was resolved through staff.

Investigator Maxwell just indicated that the questions

were resolved.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Great. I just wanted to

make sure that that was cleared up. Thank you,

Mr. Chair.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you, sir.

Any public comment regarding the motion?

Is there any Board comment regarding the

motion?

All in favor of the motion, say "aye."


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any opposed, say "no."

Carries unanimously. Thank you for coming,

appreciate it.

MR. STEWART: Thank you.

MR. INGRAM: I hope you get to feeling better

soon.



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MR. STEWART: Yeah, thanks.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Number eight,

Donan Engineering Company.

MR. FETROW: Yes. Hi.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Good morning. Could you

have a seat and state your name for the record, please.

MR. FETROW: Yes. My name is Jack Fetrow.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And what reason

did we have for bringing this over from December?

MR. FETROW: There was a mix-up internally in

our company on the dates. And my travel schedule was

scheduled in the wrong week.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. You couldn't make

it.

MR. FETROW: Well, I could have if we would

have not made a mistake.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I see. Okay. All right.

Does staff have anything to add other than the

fact that we didn't hear it in the December meeting --

MS. DONALD: No.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: -- regarding that?

MS. DONALD: I gave it all, nothing to add.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. All right. Can

you tell us a little bit about what your company is

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MR. FETROW: Absolutely. We are a nationwide

forensic engineering and fire investigation company. We

have recently opened offices in the western portion of

the United States, in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Seattle.

And we want to have a presence in the state of Nevada,

of course. And, of course, to do that, we must comply

with the licensure and laws. And that's what we're

doing, hoping to grow our business into the state of

Nevada.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Is there any

public comment regarding the application, item number

eight?

Any Board comment regarding the application?

I'll entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Mr. Chair?


BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: I move that Donan

Engineering Company, Inc. be approved for a new

corporate private investigator's license, and that

Jack C. Fetrow be approved for his individual private

investigator's license, and that his individual license

be placed into abeyance so he can become the qualifying

agent, and the corporate officer to be approved is James

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We have a motion. Is there a second?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'll second that.


second. Any Board comment regarding the motion?




Carries unanimous. Congratulations.

MR. FETROW: Thank you very much.


MR. FETROW: And I'd like to publicly thank

Ms. Corral for all of her help, since I'm quite a few

miles away from here, and she was absolutely fantastic

to work with.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: That's great to hear.

MR. FETROW: And many times, I know people hear

when bad things happen. But when good things happen, we

appreciate that, too.


MR. FETROW: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number nine,

corporate, or the heading of Corporate Officer.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, would you

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Let me throw an explanation out. Mr. Nadeau is

indicating that he wants to, he would like to make a

block vote, which means that he would take any number of

these agenda items that he personally doesn't see any

issue with where there may need to not be back-and-forth

extended testimony, everything's kind of fell in line

with these applicants, according to his point of view.

And then he'll get a second probably. And then each,

well, each individual Board member has the opportunity

to pull an agenda item out of that block vote

consideration, if there's something that we individually

had that we wanted to address regarding that

application.

So if the public has anything to say about any

of these, it's important for you to listen to what

Mr. Nadeau would like to include in his block vote.

Because if we don't see any opposition to any of the

things that he's considering, this will go like

lightning, and we'll be done with all of those items.

So if you want to be heard, and you hear that number,

you better interrupt us, because we'll go ahead and

vote. Any questions?

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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I move the

following items be considered in a block vote: Drase

Adjusting Services, LLC, license number 951. That was

item number nine. Item number 10, G4S Secure Solutions

(USA), Incorporated, license number 1563. Item number

11, Steven E. Boehm, changing licensing status. Item

number 12, Neil D. Heath, a change of licensing status.

Item number 15, Vesp Consulting LLC. And item number

16, Reese's Pieces, LLC.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion. Is

there a second?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Second.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I probably

need to include --

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: -- that this is subject



We have a motion and a second. Is there any

public comment about the agenda item numbers that were

just recited by Mr. Nadeau? Is there public comment in

the south?

I see none. Is there public comment in the

north?

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So, with that in mind, we will -- or is there

any Board comment or question regarding the block vote

on the items listed?

Okay. All in favor, say "aye."


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any opposed say "no."

Carries unanimous.

So we're finished with items nine, 10, 11, 12,

15 and 16. So you're welcome to stay and participate in

your civics class, but we know you won't want to. But

thank you all for coming. I appreciate your attendance.

Feel free attend in the future.

Now, that takes us back to item, if I'm not

mistaken, item number 13, Superior Protection Services

NV, LCB. Is there someone here to speak to that agenda

item?

MR. KODBA: I am.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Come forward, please.

If you can state your name for the record?

MR. KODBA: Walter P. Kodba.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Kodba, could

you tell us a little bit about the change in the

corporate status of the -- or the license?

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a corporate office in California and two in Arizona.

And they're wanting to start a business in Nevada. So

they're asking me to be the qualifying agent.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. I've got to pull

it up here. I've to pull up the application on my

computer. Is there Board questions that can...



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you Mr. Chair. I

just, in the investigation there it indicates that there

were two student loans that were outstanding and that

the investigator indicated that Mr. Kodba had worked out

an arrangement with the U.S. Department of Education. I

just wanted to confirm. And supposedly he was going

bring documentation to that effect to the meeting. And

I just wanted to follow up. Thank you.


MR. KODBA: Yes, I have, I have the

documentation from the student loan with me.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. If you will give

it to the investigator. Investigator Donald?

MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald. He's already

supplied it to me, and I have it. And he has a payment

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MS. DONALD: So he's good.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Mr. Nadeau.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: No other, no other

concerns.


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: And if there's no other

Board concerns, I'd make a motion.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Let me -- is there any

public comment regarding the license application number

13?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Seeing none, please,

Mr. Nadeau.


I'd move that Superior Protection Services NV, LLC be

granted a new private patrol license, that Walter P.

Kodba, license number 1674, be granted his -- that his

individual license be kept in abeyance and so that he

may become the qualifying agent for Superior Protection

Services Nevada, LLC. Corporate officers to be approved

are Victor Polek and Daniel J. Vincent. This is subject



BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion. And,

Mr. Colbert, did you give a second?

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Is there any Board comment or questions on the

motion?




Carries unanimous. Congratulations. Thank

you.

MR. KODBA: Thank you. I'd also like to

publicly thank Investigator Shelly Donald and Gisela

from the PILB Board. They did a wonderful job. They

helped me through that process. And I just wanted to

thank you publicly. Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you, we appreciate

it.

Item number 14, Bulwerks L.L.C. Is there

anybody here for Bulwerks?

MR. HUEBNER: Yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Have a seat.

MR. WHITFIELD: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Can you each, one at a

time, identify yourself?

MR. WHITFIELD: William Whitfield.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: How do you spell your

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MR. WHITFIELD: W-H-I-T-F-I-E-L-D.


MR. HUEBNER: Kenneth Huebner, H-U-E-B-N-E-R.


Okay. What is the -- can you give us a little

bit of background and then tell us what you intend to do

with the license, if you were granted one?

MR. WHITFIELD: Well, I'm currently a PILB

license holder, an individual license, and I am going

into business with a new company, Bulwerks, and I'll

become the qualifying agent for them.


public comment regarding the license, or the agenda item

number 14?

None. Okay. Board comments, questions?



BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: I have a question with

Mr. Huebner there with this recent violation status on

conducting business without the license.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Can we address that,

please?

MR. HUEBNER: Oh, yeah, you asked a specific

question. No, we actually -- it was a miscommunication.

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needed us to come and assist them and help them. They

had a prior security company. All their employees were

in 1099 status. We came in. We thought we were able to

function already under William's license. We found out

that was not the case. We didn't try to appeal it. I

immediately paid the citation so that we were back in

the good graces.

We were not trying to do anything that we were

not supposed to do. And, hopefully, you guys will

forgive us for that miscommunication and misinformation.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Who's the staff

investigator that worked on the citation?

Okay. The nature of the violation, is

Mr. Huebner's representation here pretty much your

thoughts on the violation, the miscommunication?

MS. DONALD: Well, I found out about it when I

ran the queue, and there was an employee that didn't

have a work card, and he stated he was working for

Bulwerks. So Investigator Saladino and I went down to

the dispensary where this guard was working at, and they

had an armed guard working down there. And we spoke

with the owners, and they had had employees working down

there. And their company, they had the company hat and

whatnot on. And, you know, they weren't licensed yet.

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put their employees on, you know, the roster as W-2

employees. They did stop working them under Bulwerks

immediately. And we did issue the citation. And they

paid it the next day. So I felt they did, you know,

they took it seriously. They did stop working.


MS. DONALD: I feel like Mr. Huebner, you know,

felt he was working under Kenny's license, but I don't

know.


MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chairman, for the record --


MR. INGRAM: -- Kevin Ingram. At the time that

we issued the citation, both Mr. Huebner and

Mr. Whitfield came into the office to discuss their

application and what they were trying to, what they were

trying to do with the license. And Mr. Huebner was very

straightforward. He made the same statements to me in

my office that he made here on the record. I counseled

him and educated them on how they need to do business

and how to move forward from this. He was apologetic.

He, again, paid the citation the next day and in the

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Mr. Colbert, did that satisfy your request?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Yes, sir, it does.

Thank you.




BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Did I ask for public

comment already? Yes.

Yes, sir.


Mr. Whitfield, were you -- you were under

contract for Bulwerks at the time; is that correct?

MR. WHITFIELD: Not as of -- accepting work

until after this hearing.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay. So even though you

and Mr. Huebner entered into or signed contracts in

November, you were not actually employed by Bulwerks; is

that what I'm understanding?

MR. WHITFIELD: Correct.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay. So you were not

advising them or you were not acting as far as an

advisor, as a qualifying agent. Were you aware that

they were doing business without a license? I guess,

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MR. WHITFIELD: No, sir.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay. And you do realize

you're under oath, right?

MR. WHITFIELD: (Nodded head affirmatively.)

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: You swore and you took

the oath at the beginning of this meeting, correct?

MR. WHITFIELD: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay. Thank you. No

more questions, Mr. Chair.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any other Board

questions?

Entertain a motion.

Second call for a motion.

I'll make a motion that Bulwerks L.L.C., who is

applying for a new private patrol license, be approved.

William H. Whitfield, licensee number 2303B, is

requesting that his individual license be placed into

abeyance so that he may become a qualifying agent.

Member to be approved would be Kenneth C. Huebner. This

is subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.

Is there a second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. We have a motion,

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I have a comment. I make the motion so that

the matter can be resolved. But, secondarily, and this

has been an issue in the history of this Board, and

that's whether or not we consider a license application

at the point in time that there was previously

disciplinary action discharged and whether or not that

should interfere with the application process.

We have had different views, points of view

from legal counsel over time as to whether or not

someone that comes in, admits the violation, pays the

fine should be subject to any further type of discipline

like the postponement of any possible consideration for

license, licensure.

So it's one thing to say, well, we caught you,

and now we're going to punish you, and we're going to

stretch you out for six or eight months and maybe ruin

whatever opportunity you may have had. Would that

punishment fit the violation. We are considering some

different regulatory issues currently that would provide

us with the ability to say, for example, issue

discordsman orders, which would mean we come in and

investigate, and we'd also have the ability, once we

convicted you, to also take all the money that you got

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could be a seriously big discipline issue.

But we don't have that right now. What we have

is we've got the ability to give you a fine. You have

the ability to fight us and appeal it and take it

through the system. And then it'll work its way

through. But, of course, you're not going to be subject

to licensure anytime soon while that appeal is pending.

So, for the most part, people that have an

issue, we decide to take disciplinary action in the form

of a citation, and they pay it, our only quandary at

this time, and you can probably feel that with the

silence with the lack of a motion, is quite possibly we

may be dealing with somebody that we might not license.

But, on the other hand, without anything additional,

further, or extraneous than what we've heard here today

or what the staff has provided us for in the application

packet and their investigation, do we move forward and

treat people with the same level of fairness and treat

them contemporaneous with the calendar.

So that's why we're here now at this juncture.

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I'm going to support the motion, only based on the

testimony that the Bulwerks was not under the -- was not

being guided, I guess, by the qualifying agent. And I'm

certainly hoping that the -- now that they have a

qualifying agent, they won't be acting in this regard.

So I will support the motion.


Any other Board questions, comment?




Carries unanimous. Thank you.

MR. WHITFIELD: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: If I'm not mistaken,

we're moving to item number 17, Merge Investigations,

Inc.

Can you state your name, please?

MR. NOTTOLI: David Nottoli.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And the spelling

is correct on the agenda, N-O-T-T-O-L-I?

MR. NOTTOLI: Yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. All right. What's

your background and what are you hoping to accomplish

with your applications?

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guess, a legal stalker for 27 years now. And I started

my own company six years ago. We have in the last six

years, we probably subbed out maybe a million dollars in

revenue to other licensed Nevada PIs, and I just thought

it's time to get that revenue back. And so we went

through the process of getting licensed and hiring our

own staff out here. Plus, I have several customers that

are doing a lot of construction work out here, and one

signed a -- it's a four-year multimillion-dollar

project, and so I feel it's better if I have my own

people out here to do that work.


public comment regarding the item number 17?

Don't see any in the south. Any in the north?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: No, sir.


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any Board comment

regarding item number 17?

Entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Mr. Chair, I'd move that

Merge Investigations, Inc. be approved a new corporate

private investigator's license and that David J. Nottoli

be approved for his private investigator's license, and

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subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion. Do we

have a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.


second. Any Board comment or questions regarding the

motion?





MR. NOTTOLI: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Appreciate it.

Number 18, Dorris & Associates LLC.

Good morning.

MR. DORRIS: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Give us your name for the

record, please.

MR. DORRIS: Michael P. Dorris, D-O-R-R-I-S.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you. Can you tell

us a little bit about your background and what you have

planned for Nevada?

MR. DORRIS: Yes, sir. I retired from the FBI

after 26 years, at which time I was doing extensive

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international investigations. Subsequently, I went to

work for a bank in Singapore, Credit Suisse AG, where I

managed corporate security across the Asia-Pacific

region. So I developed some experience in the security

consulting business.

Now that I've retired from both the FBI and

Credit Suisse, I would like to be able to conduct

investigations mostly internationally -- that's where

most of my client base should come from -- and also some

security consultancy, that I think I've learned how to

do both these craft over the years.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All right. Is there any

public comment regarding item number 18 on the agenda?

Any Board comment?

Entertain a motion.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I

would move that Dorris & Associates LLC be granted a new

corporate private investigator license, Michael P.

Dorris be granted his individual private investigator

license, that that license, his individual license be

placed in abeyance so that he may become the qualifying

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have a second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Move and a second. Any

Board comment or question regarding the motion?





you.

MR. DORRIS: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 19, William

Bertain, Brattain.

MR. BRATTAIN: Brat.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Brat. Okay. Good

morning.

MR. BRATTAIN: Good morning. Can you give us a

little bit of background and tell us what you are hoping

to accomplish?

MR. BRATTAIN: I've been a sole proprietor

private investigator for just a little over 20 years. I

worked for two different agencies before that. And what

I'd like to do is build a clientele here in Nevada and

quit traveling so much. I'm licensed in some other

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comment regarding agenda item number 19?

Any Board comment regarding agenda item number

19?



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I just had a question.

It's probably with staff or the investigator. If your

investigation office is located in the state of Nevada,

aren't you required to have a private investigator's

license with the State of Nevada?

And I understand that, Mr. Brattain, all of

your clients are outside the State of Nevada. But did

you have a business license in the State of Nevada?

MR. BRATTAIN: No, I didn't. I operated solely

on my licensing in the other states. And I didn't

advertise here. I only did investigations in like

Arizona, Indiana, Michigan. The only thing I had here

was a P.O. box to get my payments. But I had nothing

affiliated with doing any investigations in Nevada or

advertise such advertisement for Nevada.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Kevin, did you understand

my question?

MR. INGRAM: Yes, I think I did. And that was

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indication of any advertisement or business actually

being conducted here in Nevada, on Nevada residents or

for companies here in Nevada. Therefore, based on the

laws and with counsel input, we felt he would not be

required to have a license here, just that he's solely

based here. If he had been advertising here, if he had

been conducting investigations here, then, by all means,

he would have needed to be licensed.

MR. BRATTAIN: Could I add something?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Please.

MR. BRATTAIN: All right. I moved out here.

My wife is a recovering cancer patient. And this was

supposed to be a temporary thing, because they didn't

think my wife was going to survive. And she

miraculously is cancer-free. And I had always planned

on moving back to Indiana, because I have a son that

lives here with my grandkids, and she wanted to be

closer to the grandkids for that reason. And so,

basically, that's -- and now she wants to stay.


That's all I have.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I think, we visited this

one time briefly before, I believe, with another

licensee, Stealth Partners in Laughlin, Laughlin,

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they get their mail and the person individually lives in

Laughlin, Nevada because of its retirement nature. But

they do no advertising, nor any type of work in Nevada,

and that type of thing.

So, I think, we broached it before. I mean

it's a fine line to dance around. But as long as you're

not doing anything untoward that we can catch you doing.

MR. BRATTAIN: I'm not.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'm good. Thank you.


Any other questions?

Entertain a motion. Or do we have a motion? I

forgot.

MR. INGRAM: No.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: No motion. Okay.

Entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Mr. Chair, I would move

that William L. Brattain, dba, Brattain Investigations,

be approved for his individual private investigator's

license. This is subject to all statutory and



there a second?





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second. Any Board comments or questions on the motion?





MR. BRATTAIN: And thank you. Thank you,

everybody. Thank you.

MR. INGRAM: Glad to hear your wife's doing

well.

MR. BRATTAIN: Yeah, thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 20, Brosnan

Risk Consultants, Limited. Good morning.

MR. MCCLUSKEY: Good morning. John McCluskey.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. McCluskey, can

you tell us a little bit about your background and what

the company would like to do in Nevada?

MR. MCCLUSKEY: So Mr. Brosnan is a former NYPD

detective from the Bronx. I'm a former NYPD captain. I

moved out here a year and a half ago. His businesses

started in 1985. It's an investigative intelligence

business, security consulting as well. It's grown

tremendously over the last few years. He has recently

secured a contract with a major corporation that does

business in Nevada. And he will be taking security

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asked if I can become his qualifying agent, which I have

no issues with, and then I'd run his business.

As I said, I did 23 years with the NYPD.

Fourteen years I ran a bank as a director of their

investigations, on a top 10 bank in the U.S. I'm

currently doing private -- I have my private

investigator's license in Nevada. I was here last June

for that. I haven't really taken any work with that.

I'm still a regional investigator with Cash America

SuperPawn. Which I will probably be separating from

them once Mr. Brosnan has me running the business.

And he apologizes for not being here. He's got

some -- well, they have a beautiful Nor'easter, which we

don't have experience with out here. So he was unable

to attend.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: He's done very well with

that Nevada pronunciation, too.

MR. MCCLUSKEY: Yes, I always said it right.

My guy that moved up here two years prior to me never

said it right. That has been since corrected.


comment regarding item number 20?

Any Board comment regarding item number 20?

Entertain a motion.




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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I'd move that

Brosnan Risk Consultants, Limited be granted a new

corporate private patrol license, John G. McCluskey be

granted an individual private patrol license, and that

that license, his individual license be placed in

abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent for

Brosnan Risk Consultants, LLP, or Limited, I guess.

Corporate officer to be approved is Patrick J. Brosnan.


requirements.


have a second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any Board comment or

question on the motion?





MR. MCCLUSKEY: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks,

ladies and gentlemen. And also for Shelly and Gisela

for the great job that they've always done in handling

my needs quickly, and this was a time-sensitive thing,

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MR. MCCLUSKEY: Thank you, appreciate it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 21, Kerberos

International, Inc.?

Good morning.

MR. SMITH: Good morning.

MS. COLE: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Could you both state your

name for the record.

MR. SMITH: Sammy J. Smith.

MS. COLE: And Myra Cole.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Welcome.

MS. COLE: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Can you give us a

little bit of background and what you'd like the company

to do out in Nevada?

MS. COLE: Yes, sir. Kerberos International is

headquartered in Texas. We have two divisions. One

specializes in these customized radio kits for the

military. And the other provides security guard

services mostly for federal facilities. So in Nevada,

we currently operate, or we have -- we're licensed in 11

states. We operate in four. There are a number of

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So we are, we would be honored to be licensed.


comment regarding agenda item number 21?

Public comment?

Okay. Any Board comment regarding item number

21?

Entertain a motion.




I'd move that Kerberos International, Incorporated be

granted a new corporate private patrol license, Sammy J.

Smith be granted an individual private patrol license,

and that that license be placed, that individual license

be placed in abeyance so Sammy J. Smith can be the

qualifying agent. Corporate officer to be approved is

Myra D. Cole. This is subject to all statutory and



Is there a second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any Board comment

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Didn't hear the vote from

the north.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Sorry. Aye.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Aye.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any opposed, say

"no."

Carries unanimous. Congratulations. Good luck

to you.

MS. COLE: Thank you, sir. And thank you all.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thanks for coming.

MR. SMITH: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 22, R & G

Securities LLC. Is there anybody here for R & G

Securities LLC?

Okay. We'll trail item number 22 to the end of

the meeting.

Item number 23, 705 Investigations, LLC?

Good morning.

MR. DUNN: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Can you introduce

yourself and give us a little bit of background and tell

us what you're hoping to accomplish?

MR. DUNN: Victor L. Dunn, retired Deputy

Chief, North Las Vegas Police Department, did over 25

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worked for the North Las Vegas Constable's Office. What

I'm hoping to accomplish now, I have obtained my PI

license, and I'm hoping to garner other licenses in

preparation of, you know, future business, businesses

that are going to be coming to the state of Nevada, you

know, the football team and, you know, other companies

and whatnot. I just want to be prepared to provide the

service for those folks coming to our lovely state.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any public comment



I'd entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Mr. Chair, I move that

705 Investigations, LLC be approved a new corporate

private patrolman license, and that Victor Dunn be

approved his individual private patrolman license, and

that his individual license be placed into abeyance so

that he may become the qualifying agent. This is


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Second.


have a second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you, Mr. Nadeau.

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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Just a clarification.

Did I understand you have your private investigator's

license now, already?

MR. DUNN: Yes, sir.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay. Thank you. That

was it. Thank you, Mr. Chair.


Any other questions?





MR. DUNN: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 24, Jason

Longdon. Logsdon. Sorry.

MR. LOGSDON: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Good morning, how are

you?

MR. LOGSDON: Fine.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Good. You're Jason?

MR. LOGSDON: I'm Jason.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Could you give us

a little bit of background and tell us what your hopes

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for about six years now, with my previous experience

overseeing security in facility, banking and hospitality

management. What I'm looking to do today is to be the

QA for Marksman here in Nevada.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any public comment

regarding item number 24? Public comment, 24?

Any Board comment on item number 24?

Entertain a motion.


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes, ma'am.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move to approve Jason R.

Langston --

MR. LOGSDON: Logsdon.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Logsdon --

MR. LOGSDON: Thank you.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- for an individual

private patrolman license. If granted, he is requesting

that his individual license be placed in abeyance so

that he may become the qualifying agent for Marksman

Security Corporation, license number 1791B. This is



BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion. And we

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MR. LOGSDON: Thank you, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Just to clarify the

process, we get staff reports based upon the nature of

the background that's conducted by us. So this process

is to allow somebody to bring up something that we're

not aware of, you know, whatever the case might be.

It's not that there's already a foregone conclusion

about licensure. It's just whether or not the

background has caused a Board member to have a question

that they want to air in public. So it's not as if

we've all made up our mind. It's just that we have a

lot of background information about the applicant, and

usually, sometimes we'll have some definitive questions

based upon things that maybe we disagreed with staff on

or maybe that we felt differently than staff did. And

at that point, this is the forum to air that.

So that's why we zip through here reasonably

quick, is because we're already -- everybody's done

their homework, so.

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MR. BIAS: Bias, yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yeah.

MR. BIAS: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So can you give us a

little bit of background about yourself and what you're

hoping to do in Nevada?

MR. BIAS: Yes, sir. I've got about 15 years

security law enforcement experience. Navy, seven years

14 days, which I did law enforcement, correction, fort

protection, security. Got out, went to school and got

my bachelor's in management, criminal justice, MBA

security management, and a bachelor's in project

management. I landed a job with Weiser Security

Services. And now I'm trying, just trying to become the

qualified agent.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you for your

service.

MR. BIAS: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any public comment



Entertain a motion.


Howard Bias III be approved an individual private

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qualifying agent for Weiser Security Services, Inc.,

license number 1400. This is subject to all statutory



have a second?



second. Any Board comment or question on the motion?




Carries unanimous.

MR. BIAS: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Congratulations.

MR. BIAS: Thank you, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Moving to the category of

Canine Handler, item number 26, Veteran Global Security

and Training Services L.L.C.

Good morning. Do you need a chair, or are you

all right?

MR. IMAMURA: No, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Stand near so that

we can pick you up if you have anything to say.

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MS. LOGAN: Jennifer Logan.

MR. JENNINGS: Wesley Jennings.

MR. IMAMURA: Cary Imamura.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Could you spell that last

name?

MR. IMAMURA: Indian, Mike, alpha, Mike, union,

Romeo, alpha.


Did you get that?

THE REPORTER: Yes. Thank you.


little bit of background and tell us what you're hoping

to accomplish?

MR. JENNINGS: Yes, sir. Thank you,

Mr. Chairman. And I want to thank everybody up front

for all the work they've done helping us.

So we're a couple of military veterans. Cary

and I have about 50 years of experience, primarily in

lots of high-consequence management experience in

Afghanistan and Iraq. Jenny, extensive canine training

experience. So our intent is to provide, stand up a new

company here in Las Vegas for security services to

really focus to high-consequence events.

Unfortunately, our belief is there's a new norm

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folks. That's what we have to defend ourselves against.

And our intent is to try and do that here, start here.

We think Las Vegas is particularly vulnerable in a way.

If you look at Cairo, Istanbul, their tourism business

went just to the rock bottom because of terrorist

events. And, frankly, I think Las Vegas has that same

sort of vulnerability. And we want to try and come in

there and start a new business to work that. Canines in

particular are a great way to defend against that.

So our intent as a business is to come in and

try and really focus on deter, defend and defeat

high-consequence events against the beautiful city of

Las Vegas here in Nevada. This would just be our first

step. We'd do other licensing applications after that.

Thank you, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you. Anything

else?

Okay. Any public comment regarding item number

26?

Any Board comment regarding items number 26?



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: And actually this is for

the investigators. And they can probably hit all three

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canine exam was administered, and was it passed?

MR. SALADINO: Investigator Saladino. The

canine exam was administered, and they did pass, yes.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is there any other staff

comment regarding canine handlers in particular, since

we don't have too many, but it's starting to look like

we're going get some?

Okay. All right. Any other Board question?

Entertain a motion.




I'd move that Veteran Global Security and Training

Services L.L.C. be granted a new corporate canine

handler license, Jennifer A. Logan be granted an

individual canine handler license, and if this is

approved, that her license, individual license be placed

in abeyance so that she may become the qualifying agent.

Members to be approved are Cary Ima -- I hope I don't

mess this up -- Imamura and Wesley J. Jennings. Subject



BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion. We

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questions regarding the motion?





MR. JENNINGS: Thank you, sir.

MS. LOGAN: Thank you.

MR. IMAMURA: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 27, DTA K9

Services, LLC.

MR. INGRAM: We were notified late that Mr. Dan

Taylor would not be available for this meeting. He's

asked that we postpone it till the June Board meeting.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Upon the applicant's

request, I have a motion to postpone until the next

regularly scheduled meeting of the Board. Is there a

second?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'll second.





BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any opposed, "no."

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Good morning.

MS. GUTHRIE: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Have a chair. Can you

introduce yourself, please?

MS. GUTHRIE: I'm Judith Guthrie.


little bit of background and then also let us know what

you're hoping to do?

MS. GUTHRIE: So I was actually raised with

working dogs, so I've been around dogs since I was

little, police dogs, sight dogs and that sort of thing.

From there, when I started working, I worked all sorts

of dogs, sports dogs, obedience. And then I moved back

into the working dog realm in North Carolina and in Utah

working police dogs and detection dogs for government

agencies, private companies, that sort of thing.


public comment regarding item number 28?


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Again, Mr. Chair?


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Did you drive all the way

from Montello to Vegas?

MS. GUTHRIE: No, I did not. I was staying

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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay. You don't have to

go into everything. I was just curious. Because I know

where Montello is.

MS. GUTHRIE: Yeah, it's a bit of a drive.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: The other question is,

obviously, the canine exam was administered and

completed?

MR. MAXWELL: Investigator Maxwell. Yes,

Mrs. Guthrie passed the canine exam.




Entertain a motion.


Reliance Security, Inc. be approved a new corporate

canine handler license, that Judith A. Guthrie be

approved for her individual canine handler license, and

that her individual license be placed into abeyance so

that she may become the qualifying agent. This is



there a second?


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you.

Okay. It would be this time on the agenda that

we're going to take about a 15-minute break. And then

we will proceed on to registration appeals.

* * * * *

A break was taken, 10:20 to 10:34 a.m.)

* * * * *

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All ready in the north?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Yes, ready to go.


Everybody here? Okay.

MR. INGRAM: All right. Just for the record,

we have legal counsel Rosalie Bordelove on a speaker

phone, so I've got that close to the mic as well.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All right. Now we're

going to move into that portion of the agenda titled

Registration Appeals.

For those of you that have been here throughout

the morning and saw the way the process worked, this is

a little bit different. These are considered to be

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doesn't have any way to participate in any one of these

items. Now, if a person calls a witness or has somebody

that they want to introduce that has information that's

relative to the issue and needs to be heard, that's one

thing. The Board has the ability to call witnesses and

have testimony regarding their position on the

registration process. And the applicant has the

ability. But the public doesn't necessarily have any

input available at this stage, since it's an adversarial

portion of the proceedings. Before, you could jump up

and say I want to talk about this applicant. Here,

that's not the case.

So is there any question about that?

MR. INGRAM: Do we want to have Shannon go

ahead and swear everybody in?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes, earlier we had

everybody sworn in, so that your testimony is taken

under oath, under the penalty of perjury. So we need to

make sure that everybody here that's going to be talking

or who's on the agenda or any witness that may be

brought along is also, likewise, sworn in.

So if you weren't sworn in this morning, please

stand, raise your right hand. And, hopefully, I can

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Las Vegas and Carson City were sworn in by the

Reporter.)

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All right. Give me a

second so I can pull up the right one.

Okay. The first item is item number 29.

That'll be Eugene Brown. Is Eugene Brown here?

MR. BROWN: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Please come forward.

Good morning.

MR. BROWN: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Have a chair.

We'll ask the staff investigator on these on

how it came to be that we're here. And the staff

investigator will give a presentation. And then the

appellant will have the opportunity to discuss it and

answer questions or give testimony, whatever the case

might be. And then the Board has the ability to

question and answer, all that kind of stuff. So that's

the process.

So at this point in time, we'd say who's the

investigator that handled Mr. Brown, and they'd say?

MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: And please proceed.

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back. We have since received them. And there were no,

there was no new information to add. Mr. Brown did

disclose his arrest. He had been convicted around

the --

(The Reporter indicated it was difficult to

hear Ms. Donald in Las Vegas.)

MS. DONALD: Yes. So he had disclosed all of

his arrests. In 1993, he was convicted of his fourth

DUI. He was sentenced to 10 months in prison. And that

was all that he had on his arrest record. He hasn't had

anything since, and he disclosed it. And it was a

felony. That's why I had to deny him.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Brown, do you

have anything to say?

MR. BROWN: Yes, I do. First of all, I'd like

to thank the Board for allowing me this appeal.

I haven't had any traffic infractions since

then. And I feel that I've been gainfully employed,

until my retirement, working with -- I was a healthcare

provider, dialysis technician. I worked in a hospital

atmosphere. I'm good with people. And, therefore, I

decided to apply for a guard card, to be gainfully

employed.

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Entertain a motion.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I'd move that

Mr. Eugene Brown be granted registration and that the

denial be overturned.


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion, and

there is a second. Any Board comment or question


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, the time and

distance, no additional violations is all justification

for this motion. Thank you.


Any other Board question or comment?




Congratulations, sir.

MR. BROWN: Thank you very much.


Item number 30, Timothy Todd Confair.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: He's up north.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 30. Okay.

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MR. CONFAIR: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Who's the investigator on

this?

MR. MAXWELL: Investigator Maxwell.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Can you give us a

briefing, please?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes. Mr. Confair was not made

provisional in Nevada. In 2000, he was charged with

felony embezzlement, to which he pled guilty and

received a suspended sentence. The applicant did

disclose the arrest, and it was confirmed with the

fingerprint report.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Mr. Confair, is there

anything that you'd like to discuss regarding the

conviction?

MR. CONFAIR: First of all, I'd like to say

thank you for hearing my appeal. I appreciate that. I

know you all have a busy schedule.

In the investigation, when I did make my

mistake in 2000, I cooperated with the police every step

of the way during the investigation. I paid back the

court-ordered restitution, and I completed all the

criteria that they gave me. And I've maintained my -- I

haven't done anything wrong since then, you know. I've

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person. And I've raised two kids. And I haven't, you

know, I haven't done anything wrong.

I feel like I deserve a second chance. I don't

want to act like I'm entitled to it. But, like I said,

I appreciate you all's time on this. And, you know, if

I get my card, guard card, I've got a really good job

lined up with Securitas, and that's kind of what I'm

going for.


Is there any Board questions?

When were you completely off paper, when were

you all done with the criminal justice program?

MR. CONFAIR: Well, because the restitution

took me a minute to pay back, it was probably '05. That

would be my best guess. I don't know the exact date.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And what was the

nature of the act itself, what did they charge you with

doing?

MR. CONFAIR: It was embezzlement through

Boomtown. And I don't know all the criteria. It wasn't

my idea. I ended up wearing a wire on the person that

was in charge, and he got caught because of it.


MR. CONFAIR: I'm not that smart. I don't know

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like that, you know, I have no idea.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, that was --

MR. CONFAIR: It was two credit cards, I know

that.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, how do we make the

public feel comfortable if we're giving you a guard card

to protect something that you previously took off with?

MR. CONFAIR: Because I'm not that kind of

person. I learned my lesson, and I haven't done

anything wrong in almost two decades. I've been living

a clean life. And I don't break the law. I don't want

to end up in jail. I don't want anybody to not trust

me. My word is -- it's got to mean something. And for

the past two decades, it has, or almost two decades, it

has.




BOARD MEMBER NIXON: What have you been doing

for employment since?

MR. CONFAIR: Mainly working in warehouses. I

am certified to operate a forklift. And, you know,

warehouses, they'll do a background check, but it

usually only goes back, you know, seven to 10 years, or

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any other Board

questions, comments?

MR. CONFAIR: I'd like to say I'm sorry for

what I've done. I know that that's not me. And that's

not how I live my life anymore. I don't want to be that

person. That's not me. And I hope I could put you at

ease.



Entertain a motion.


Timothy Todd Confair, his denial be reversed based upon

time and space and no further issues with law

enforcement since this time.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: There's a motion. Is

there a second?



second. Any Board discussion on the motion?





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appreciate it. That's awesome.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: You're done.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: You're done. Thank you.

MR. CONFAIR: Thank you very much.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 31, Kisha

Cooley?

Good morning.

MS. COOLEY: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Have a chair, please.

Who's the investigator on this?



MS. DONALD: I attached a spreadsheet to the

report. The applicant failed to disclose any arrests.

She stated on her denial letter that because she got

married she didn't know she was supposed to report any

since her name changed. She had 51 undisclosed arrests;

however, none of them appear to be felonies.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Ms. Cooley, was

there something in the process -- well, actually, can

you respond to that?

MS. COOLEY: My arrests?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes, how come you didn't

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and I didn't know that they had to go there, under a new

last name. So I didn't put it. It wasn't I -- it

wasn't something I was hiding. I just didn't know.


MS. COOLEY: And if from the past, my past,

that I changed my life. I got married. I just had two

kids, two more kids, twins. So I don't live that life

no more.


MS. COOLEY: That's the past life that I lived.

And I moved out here to get my life better. And I've

been doing, I've been working at U.S. Security

Associates in California since August. And before that,

I was doing in-home care for an elderly lady. So I

moved here to change my life for me and my four kids.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Was there some part of

the application process where it led you to believe that

you didn't need to disclose your criminal history past,

although you've changed your name?

MS. COOLEY: Yeah, but it -- yes. I mean I

didn't know if I was supposed to put it, because my last

name is changed. But it wasn't like I was hiding it,

because I knew it was going to come up when they ran my

name. I just didn't know if I was supposed to state it.

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put it on the application in California. I was under a

last name, my new last name, and I didn't put it there.


MS. COOLEY: And I have a guard card in

California still, to this day.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Anything else?

MS. COOLEY: Well, I just wanted to be able to

go to work and take care of my family and provide for my

kids.


MS. COOLEY: And, B, instead of me going back

to California every Sunday to go to work, I want to just

stay at home and be able to go to work from here, doing

security, like I've been doing in California. Like

that's a big gap between. I could be home for two days,

and then I have to go back to California for another

five days. That's inconvenient for my kids, you know.

Like I'm really trying to change my life. I

know I have a past, and I know it's a lot. But I'm

willing to change my life as I've been changing my life.

It doesn't happen overnight, if you guys give me a

second chance to prove it to you that I'm a better

person. I don't live that life that I was living

before.

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Board questions?

Entertain a motion.


Kisha Cooley, her denial be upheld based upon her

failure to disclose and a history of failure to comply

with law enforcement over the years.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Is there a second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. We have a motion

and a second. Any Board comment or question regarding

the motion?




Okay. Unfortunately, the appeal has been

denied. You can reapply for consideration in a year.

At that point, you'd want to make sure to make full

disclosure on the application, no matter what your name

might be.

MS. COOLEY: All right.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All right. Thank you.

Darryl Davis, item number 32.

Good morning.

MR. DAVIS: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: How are you?



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Who's the investigator?

MS. SALADINO: Investigator Saladino.


MR. SALADINO: The applicant was denied for a

June 2nd, 2017 misdemeanor CCW in vehicle, where the

applicant received three years of probation and 120 days

suspended sentence from jail. And he's currently on

probation for the misdemeanor CCW charge.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Davis, can you

tell us a little bit about the circumstances surrounding

your arrest and ultimate conviction?

MR. DAVIS: Well, at the time, I was homeless

in Pasadena, California. And I had just gotten my gun,

my gun license, which I could show you right now. I had

a gun license. So I just purchased a gun license, and I

decided to buy a gun from somebody but didn't check out

the background on the gun, so, and it came back stolen.

So the gun was in my home, in my car with all of my

stuff, because I didn't have nowhere to put it.

Everything I had, it was in my car.

I got stopped at 7:00, 8:00 in the morning for

a taillight. So they took me out of my car and

everything. And I even showed them my gun license, and

I'm like, "Man, you guys can take the gun, like I don't

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riding around with stolen guns or anything. So they

take me to jail. They said it was concealed. But

everything was just how I did it with the rules and the

gun laws in California. My clip was away from the gun.

It was all separate.

So I don't know what this, I don't know why

they gave me the concealed. What you guys tell me now,

I didn't even know it was that deep. I thought I was on

summary, I always thought I was on summary in the court.

So I didn't know I was on like CCW probation. I

wouldn't even like, I probably wouldn't even have tried

to like come, because that's like kind of serious. And

he already told me about the probation thing. So it's

like, it's crazy.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Were you represented by

an attorney in the case?

MR. DAVIS: No, I wasn't represented by an

attorney in the case.


MR. DAVIS: But, like I said, I mean I got my

gun license. And I've never had a felony. I've never

had a misdemeanor, too. I've been doing security since

2014. This year, they all let me work for about three

months. So I'm thinking everything is okay. I'm

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and they said, "Okay. It's okay. You're on summary

probation." And then I get the denial letter. And the

next thing you know, I can't do anything at all for

Christmas. I have a one -- I mean I have a six-year-old

son. I couldn't do anything for him for Christmas. I

couldn't do anything.

And this is the first time I ever got in

trouble and with the law. And then, too, I have a gun

license to back up my case. But it just seemed like

they didn't want to take that into consideration in the

court, so.

Basically, that's all I want to say. Besides

that I'm on probation, I'm not a bad person. I've never

gotten in trouble. I have no felonies on my record or

misdemeanors. So that's all I got to say.

(Cell phone ringing.)

MR. DAVIS: Sorry.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: How long are you on paper

for, when did this thing get resolved?

MR. DAVIS: Well, 120 days, and it's already

up. That's for sure.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, that was the

suspended sentence. But that comes back into play if

you violate the terms of your probation. So it's never

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jail for 120 days.

MR. DAVIS: Yeah, and I haven't got in trouble.

I'm not a troublemaker. I don't get in trouble. The

only reason why I got caught up like that, because I was

homeless and living out my car. I had two jobs living

out of my car. I couldn't live with my aunt because she

was on Section 8. And you know how that goes. My mom

is damn near homeless. I can't stay with my mother. So

I'm out there. I've just been trying to get everything

by myself.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Right.

MR. DAVIS: And after I went to jail, I came

out here, because I was homeless, to my cousin's house.

And he said I -- he was already doing security. He

said, "I got a security company I can put you. You just

need to get your guard card and everything." And I got

my guard card in California right now. So I came out

here so I wouldn't be sleeping on the streets. Came out

here, went and applied for my guard card. I had a

hundred dollars. Somebody helped me with the other

hundred. I got my guard card. They said I can work

for three months, whatever, the probation period. And

I've been working. I haven't been in trouble. It's

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What California agency?

I mean you said you had a California guard card. But

that was before you got in trouble, right? You got the

guard card before you got in trouble?

MR. DAVIS: Yeah, I got it before I got in

trouble.


MR. DAVIS: I got my guard card and my gun

license. Before, I didn't have it.


MR. DAVIS: Like I said, it was just an

unfortunate event that I got caught up in my car, being

homeless, and I had to have all my stuff with me.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Then, it's your

position, you say you have a concealed weapons permit?

MR. DAVIS: I don't have a -- I have a gun

license, a gun registration.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: A gun registration.

Okay.

MR. DAVIS: But, like I said, I wasn't trying

to conceal nothing.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Right.

MR. DAVIS: Everything was how the law was

supposed to be, the gun law supposed to be, because I

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everything was just how it was. The clip wasn't in the

gun, and it wasn't loaded, nothing. I just had the gun

in my trunk, because, and I even told the police that

like, "I'm homeless. All of my stuff is there." They

went through my -- I had two, three bags of clothes in

there and everything. Basically, that was my apartment.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I'm not able to pull it

up. What does the rap sheet indicate as the actual?

MR. SALADINO: The original charge started off

as grand theft of a firearm, and then it got reduced

down to the misdemeanor CCW.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So the gun you bought

ended up being stolen?

MR. DAVIS: Yeah. And, you see, they reduced

it because, I guess, I showed them my gun registration.

I have a gun registration. So they reduced it to being

concealed. But I wasn't concealing when it's in my car.

Like where was I supposed to have it, on me?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. So the conviction

is for a misdemeanor?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir.

MR. DAVIS: It's crazy.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So according to what

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MR. SALADINO: It would be June, June of 2020.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: June of 2020.

MR. DAVIS: And now I want to say I appreciate

you all giving me the appeal and to speak my piece,

because I just felt like I was just down in a different

way. So I'm glad you all were giving me an appeal and

letting me talk to you guys. I appreciate that.


questions?

MR. DAVIS: No matter the outcome.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: For me, you kind of

present a quandary. Because as a general rule, we've

hold that if you're in the middle of a criminal justice

incident, that we don't give you a lot of consideration

until that is expired, you know. Not even a compelling

case for the fact that if they had the goods on you,

they would have charged you and you'd be doing time

right now for that particular type of charge.

MR. DAVIS: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: You know, and the fact

that it went all the way down to a misdemeanor

violation. I mean that would be the judge's position

that they could summarily, as you put it, give you a

fine and, you know, somebody who wanted to make sure

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a quandary that I have is whether or not you should be

given the opportunity to work in a security field or

related field while you're pending a misdemeanor

criminal conviction matter.

MR. DAVIS: And, like I say, I've been doing

security from '14, since 2014, and I have never had an

issue. That's how I supported my son. This is the

first year I've couldn't really, I didn't even see him

for Christmas, and I just...

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, for me, I got to

set aside -- I understand the hardship, but I got to set

it aside, because there's a lot of people that we deal

with, and a lot of them are under some criminal penalty,

and they've had a hard time as well, but.


Entertain a motion.


Daryl Davis' denial be upheld based upon the fact that

he's still currently on probation.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'll second that motion.


have a second? Okay. We have a motion and a second.

Any Board comment or questions regarding the motion?





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This Board has consistently tried to give someone an

opportunity. But we have consistently held that if

someone is currently serving probation or some type of

court supervision or something of that nature, that we

will uphold the denial.


questions, comment?




Passes unanimous. Sorry. You're eligible to

reapply in a year.

MR. DAVIS: In a year?


MR. DAVIS: Thank you. Appreciate it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Number 33, Adam -- help

me out here. Adam.

MR. ELHIFNY: Elhifny.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Elhifny?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Yes, sir. He's up

north.



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two thousand -- let's see. It was a 2007 grand larceny

where he received 12 to 32 months in NSP. And also for

a weapons charge in '05 for possession of nunchucks

where it was a gross misdemeanor, and it was later

reduced to breach of peace.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Can you tell us

about the criminal history?

MR. ELHIFNY: Yes, Mr. Chairman. The

possession of nunchucks got dropped down. It was

actually just a minor pocketknife, one of those ones you

can buy at a 7-Eleven. And I'm not sure why the

arresting officer kind of wrote it up like that.

The following convictions were more serious. I

did have a serious drug problem I developed since a

teenage age that moved into my 20s, and it's gotten me

in into a lot of serious trouble.

Since, since the last conviction, since the

last time I've been to prison, I've been sentenced to

house arrest, rehab, adult drug court, probation,

parole. And I've completed everything. And not only

completed it, I've completed one of the toughest adult

drug court outpatient programs here in Nevada with

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that adult drug court program to help other ex-felons

and recovering drug addicts, in that industry.

Since, since that time, I've maintained gainful

employment, constantly. I'm currently a heavy equipment

operator with the Operating Engineers Union, Local 3,

and I have been for the last year.

I've turned down the employment opportunity to

work with the adult drug court program only because at

time I was already making more money than what they'd

offered me. But I've been volunteering with them since.

And I'm currently a board member on the steering

committee for a violence prevention program called

United Against Violence here locally in Reno, Nevada.

I just moved out here in Carson City. We've,

I've just bought a house out here in Carson City, and

I've moved out here since. I have a list of character

reference letters, everything from my probation officer

that was supervising me, to my case manager through my

adult drug court program, and my drug and alcohol abuse

counselor, all the way to current and previous employers

as well.

And I can honestly say that life is definitely

behind me. Employment isn't the issue for me,

Mr. Chairman. It's I have a passion for this industry.

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then. But I found out very quickly I make a better good

guy. And I would like to get into security consulting

to help prevent future incidents and to bring the

adversarial mindset to the industry. I have a great

passion for the industry.

I have a list of accomplishments and

certifications that I have accomplished, that I

submitted to the Board. I'm not sure if you guys have

that, but I have another copy of that, along with a list

of character reference letters as well.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Thank you.

Any Board questions?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chairman?


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

So there's a selling there for you, Schedule 1

and 2 controlled substance. What were you -- and that

was -- we don't have a disposition on that. Was that

just tied into the conspiracy to commit grand larceny,

or what?

MR. ELHIFNY: I was in possession of a

controlled substance. And they did try to say that

there was a -- you know, the amount that I had with me,

they said it's not just personal use, you have to be

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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Okay.

MR. ELHIFNY: And like I did say, I was in a

dark place in my past, and I did have serious issues,

absolutely.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: What was the disposition

of that charge?

MR. ELHIFNY: It got dropped down to these

charges. I do have a fingerprint FBI background

printout of my history. What they did was they -- that

final disposition, they said rehab; upon completion of

rehab, to be released into adult drug court program

while on house arrest. No. Sorry. Before the house

arrest, I had to do a halfway house. And upon

completion of the halfway house, I had to do the house

arrest.

The adult drug court program, when I entered

it, had a 97 failure percent ratio when I entered it.

And I'm shocked that I passed it actually. It was just

one of the toughest things I've ever done, between the

counseling, the therapy, the groups, the meetings, check

in, check out, ongoing drug testing. I think that a

sober person would have a hard time completing that

program. But by the grace of God, I was able to get

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: On the investigator's

summary, it says that you were issued a cease and desist

letter, that you were advertising on Craigslist to be a

bodyguard?

MR. ELHIFNY: Yes. So I was working just as a

bouncer. And I sought out more and more training. I

got training in executive protection, security

consulting, crisis management, disaster recovery. And

I've traveled for this training, and it's costed me a

lot of money. Unfortunately, and this was due to my

negligence, I did not do my due diligence. And just,

you know, being so pumped up about the industry, I

didn't do the proper research, and I was not aware that

I had to, had to have a PPO license. As soon as the

investigating officer did call me and give me that cease

and desist, I immediately went straight down to the PILB

Board and applied for a work card.

And if granted the opportunity, I would like to

continue to further in my -- in the field the right way.

And that's why I am here today, to do things the right

way, and to not only further my interest in the career,

but to further the Board, you know, to further, to

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Anything further,

any other questions?

I'm not able to pull it up on mine. When was

he done with all of his conviction responsibilities and

sentencing and probations?

MR. ELHIFNY: I kind of --

MR. SALADINO: It's 2013.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: And you said?

MR. SALADINO: It's 2013.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: 2013. Okay.


Entertain a motion.



Adam Elhifny's denial be reversed, and based upon all

the information he's presented here today and that

there's been no further issues since that date and time,

and it was all disclosed to the Board.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is there a second?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll second based on time.


second. Any Board discussion on the motion?



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motion in this case. I think, the applicant has been

forthright, or at least appears to be forthright, and

disclosed all the information. He's -- it looks like

he's trying to turn things around. And so for that

reason, I'll support the motion.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any other Board comment

or question?

And I would -- I will not support the motion,

based upon a lack of time and the boldness of the

previous criminal history. I fully understand the

motion itself. But with the secondary approach with

regard to the cease and desist, that causes me some

issue. So I won't be supporting it. But I understand

the motion. So.

Any other Board questions, comments?




No.

Carries three to one. Congratulations.

MR. ELHIFNY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: You're welcome.

MR. ELHIFNY: Thank you, sir.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Don't let us down.

MR. ELHIFNY: I won't. Thank you.



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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Item number 34, Nicholas

Giaquinto ("Gee-ah-kwin-toe").

MR. GIAQUINTO: "Jee-ah-kwin-toe."

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Giaquinto. Good morning.

MR. GIAQUINTO: Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Who was the

investigator?




2005 felony aggravated arson. The applicant did

disclose it. And he received five years of probation

for it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Can you tell us a little

something about that?

MR. GIAQUINTO: Absolutely. So, at the time, I

just got out of high school, 2004. I was already taking

several medications for my ADHD, ADD and depression.

And at the time of me being in high school, my curiosity

of history was at a peak, so I was doing multiple

things, like going into abandoned buildings to

investigate history for myself, by writing down things.

And I became attached to a ShopRite that was around the

corner from my current living in Lakehurst, New Jersey,

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basis, de-stress, because sometimes my mental would kick

in, you know, to the fullest extent. And I get

depressed, and this would cheer me up, because I would

have memory from the loss of my grandpa.

Come 2005, I found out that they were knocking

the building down. There were several other issues

going on, and which, also, one of them was my

psychiatrist or -- yeah, psychiatrist then kind of went

on vacation, so I could not get any of my meds. And it

was a tough imbalance between just about to start

college back up again for my graphic design degree.

And I, I guess you could say, flipped the

switch. I ended up, you know, talking to a friend who I

was on good terms with, but he was a very disturbed

individual, even when I knew him in high school, and it

kind of gave me the push to, you know, use a little

fire, to like, you know, just set -- let's set

something, you know, on fire, not necessarily burn the

building down, but to, you know, set a pallet or

something by the ShopRite, do something.

So I -- my reasoning wasn't intact at the time.

I was 19. So we went in there with only the intention

to actually only burn, you know, a pallet, you know,

which we did. We were just unaware that it caught, you

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hanging down from the ceiling and ended up burning the

building with it. No one was injured in the process,

but I was caught. Let's see. I committed the act at

like 8:00 or 9:00 o'clock at night, was caught at 2:00

in the morning.

I complied with the police. Because at the

time before this, when I was in high school, I had made

a small group for myself. We were wanting to be,

wanting to be a vigilante group that would want to do

good. You know, we've always heard, you know, people

getting into fights, all kinds of weird noises around

the town that indicated that people were in trouble. So

we wanted to do something like that.

So I wasn't -- I didn't fight with the police.

I knew I was caught. And I was straight up about what

happened. Me and my friend ended up going to jail,

where I was in there for three months before I was

bailed out.

And since then, you know, I learned that I --

I've been -- I was on medication up until I came out

here, in which case I had a gentleman, who I'm living

with, who we were living with, with my girlfriend at the

time, now my wife, showed me what I'm missing in my

life. Outside counseling that I'm doing and the

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I had the new control that I didn't have before, when I

was on the medication, in which case now I want to do

some good for the community like I've been doing

without, that I was doing without the private

investigator part.

I've taken time, I take time to help friends

who I've known that were on drugs that are now off them.

I've been there for shoulders to cry on. I just want to

do some good in the community by taking this card, and

show the community that I am a different person.

This has bound me from background checks to

better jobs I could have gotten. And this is the first

time I can actually come forth and prove to you guys

that I can do something more myself than what I've been

doing.

These are papers from public records in

New Jersey. That just gives any information, I think,

that can be possibly get from it. I've done absolutely

nothing except for maybe a couple of traffic violations

and minor things like that, that I was either unaware of

or was being dumb about at the moment.

But I'm a completely different person. This is

something I'm wanting to do, especially since my father

passed two years ago. He was a security guard, and he

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footsteps. And this is something that's entrusted me.

I have a security guard I'm also friends with. We've

been friends for the past eight years, nine.

MAN IN LAS VEGAS: About 10.

MR. GIAQUINTO: About 10. I've talked to him,

and I feel like it's -- he's a straight honest person.

He's never gotten in trouble, except for maybe his

mother. And other than that, we've been really close on

that. And he can vouch for everything I told you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any Board questions?



BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, what, when you were

seeing the psychiatrist, what was the diagnosis?

MR. GIAQUINTO: The diagnosis was ADD, ADHD and

depression.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: And now you're saying at

a certain point you no longer have medication for any of

those?

MR. GIAQUINTO: Correct. I've been through

counseling. I've managed to deeply suppress my

depression. And through, I'm going to call it verbal

counseling through, you know, several people who are of

older age than me and taught me how to control my focus

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me like it used to. Where before, I would act without

thinking, and now it's all thinking before acting.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Now, what did you have in

mind with this card, what kind of employment were you

hoping to achieve?

MR. GIAQUINTO: To be honest, my friend is part

of a security company called C --

MAN IN LAS VEGAS: Contemporary Services

Corporation.

MR. GIAQUINTO: And he's told me that these

people looking for work, and that are looking for people

to work with them. And I was like, okay, that sounds

good to me. You know, if I was able to get this appeal

and get the license, I'd probably more likely be working

with them and probably with them on several shifts.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Did you have in

mind that you would be working in an environment in an

armed capacity?

MR. GIAQUINTO: I wasn't -- that wasn't my

first initial thought. But I figured, you know,

security guards, you know, have some sort of armament on

them. I would think whatever licenses I needed or

anything else I needed at that point, and I would, you

know, handle it with, you know, extreme care, doing

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Again, when was he off

his criminal justice?

MR. SALADINO: It should have been about 2011,

according to my note.


MR. GIAQUINTO: The sentence was made on

January 1st of 2006, and then ended 1-1-11.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And the sentence

was what?

MR. GIAQUINTO: Aggravated arson.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: No, the sentence.

MR. GIAQUINTO: Oh, it was five years

probation.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So the only jail time you

did was up until the time you got bailed out?

MR. GIAQUINTO: Right.





for employment?

MR. GIAQUINTO: Since then, I've executed my

best skill, which is customer service, taught to me by

my father. So I was doing salesman and restaurant work.

There's a lot of things on my resume I don't have, due



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to the fact that I don't put anything on my resume

that's less than six months. But it's a lot of

restaurant work. I was a waiter. I was in warehousing,

you know, boxes and things, a moving company. I was

part of at one point a gas station in New Jersey. A

variety of jobs. I had to give myself the edge in doing

whatever I needed to do and gain more skills. I

enjoyed, I enjoyed every bit of it.

But when I came out here, I've been working for

a watch company. I worked at one point at New York and

Company at the Galleria Mall. Cracker Barrel up on --

by the Silverton.

So that's what I've been doing out here for

work.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you.


questions?



BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: I have one question for

you. How long have you been off all medication?

MR. GIAQUINTO: I've been off medication since

I moved down here. So that would be January 30th, 2012.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Okay. Thank you. No

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any other Board comment

or question?

Entertain a motion.


I'll make a motion that we overturn the denial

and issue the registration to the appellant. Is there a

second?


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: There's a motion and a

second. Any Board comments or questions regarding the

motion?

I have reservations about overturning the

denial, but it's mostly based upon your interpersonal

issues. You know, I don't know you from anybody. You

come in, you have this arson conviction, which it's

clear you predicate it upon the fact that you had issues

dealing with pressure and depression and different

things. And then you're wanting us to give you the

right to work in an industry that has a profound effect

on people and their lives.

So it's difficult. I mean I make the motion so

that we can have it on the floor. But, you know, right

as we sit here at this moment in time, I don't even know

if I'll support my own motion. But I make it, because,

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hear, based upon the history. And not so much the

history on the criminal event. Because I understand you

did the right thing. They caught you, they had you, and

you squared it up. But from a mental health

perspective, for me, it would almost be better if you

came in and said "I'm under current care, and I have a

professional here that has said I'm all good." But from

everything I see, you decided to go cold turkey and fix

yourself. Get a support mechanism, and you're doing

what appears to be pretty good.

MR. GIAQUINTO: I have, I have a counselor I am

seeing. I actually have her card in my wallet. Her

name is Jenna. I was seeing her for the past four

years, so two years after I came out here. But you're

right, I did go cold turkey, you know, just completely

off the meds. I was convinced I didn't need them, with

just a little bit of mental focus for myself. And when

I tried to adjust it, I was able to do that.

I figured out, also, a lot of working at

PlayStation, for tech support, that I ended up -- how I

got over my depression, because it was a very

high-stress environment, mind you. You know, it may not

seem like it was, even dealing with just the call

center. I learned how to deal with my depression better

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didn't sound good to me at the time, something I'd like

to do actually reduced it drastically, to the point

where I didn't feel anything. And I also have my wife

to support me. And I haven't even nothing normal lately

to harm myself in over -- it'll be now 12, 20 years, you

know. So I haven't. There has been no record of it

anywhere, because it's, it was all minor injuries, and I

failed that, and that was when I was even younger than I

was during the conviction.

But it's -- I needed to be up front with you

with this. You know, I wasn't going to hide it.

Because somewhere, some way, you know, I know it'll come

back and bite me if I omit it. So I know that now. I

have that carved into me.

But I would understand from your perspective

why you would be hesitant in your own decision. But I'm

asking. I'm not a big nerd. That's what it comes down

to. I use gaming, I use it as a necessary means to have

fun, and it reduced my depression, actually helps me

with my focus. So I've become almost way better than I

was before in this. And that's why I'm asking for the

appeal.


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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I seconded the motion so

that we could have this discussion. It's been over 10

years. Granted, he was on probation. I don't know that

I heard when he got off probation. But he was on

probation for a period of time. It's been 10 years.

So, I guess, that's where I'm at on that as far

as the discussion goes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Anything else?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Mr. Chair, I have

concerns, also, with it being a high-stress environment

and how he'll be able to cope with that environment and

what would happen when the pressure is on.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Mr. Chair?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I agree with you. I have

an issue or a concern with him going off the meds.

I'm happy to hear that you are seeing a

counselor formally. But I also have some concern.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Aye.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Aye.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Aye.




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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Three to one.

Congratulations. Don't make a fool out of us.

MR. GIAQUINTO: I won't. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for your time.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Number 35, Ivan Hamilton?

You're Mr. Hamilton?

MR. HAMILTON: Yes, sir. Good morning.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Have a chair. Thank you.




MR. MAXWELL: Mr. Hamilton was made

provisional. When we received his fingerprints, we

found several arrests, all out of Florida. 2003, he had

a trespass. The type was unknown. 2003, petty larceny

theft, type unknown. Also 2003, trespass again, type

unknown. 2006, cocaine purchase attempt, which was a

felony. He was convicted and served 32 days in jail.

2008, larceny petty theft, misdemeanor, which he entered

a plea of nolo contendere and was found guilty.

None of the arrests were disclosed. All were

found on the fingerprint report. The applicant did

state that the drug charge was supposed to have been

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attended in Miami, Florida.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Hamilton, can

you address all of that?

MR. HAMILTON: Yes, sir. Good morning to the

Board. I was accomplishing -- I'm recovered now five

years. I pulled through. I'm moved two years ago with

my significant other.

(The Reporter indicated an inability to clearly

hear this applicant in Las Vegas.)

MR. HAMILTON: Okay. I moved down here two

years ago with my significant other. I have five years

clean time. I go to meetings. I am looking forward to

being a good security -- a guard. I have my pass, and

I'm hoping to.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What made you not

disclose all of those different things when you applied,

how come you didn't list them all?

MR. HAMILTON: Okay. I thought I did list them

all. And I listed that I was a -- that I was convicted

of a felony of attempted on some drug charge. I listed.

They said I didn't list them? I thought I did list

them. I'm pretty sure I did.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I believe, within --

then, wasn't there an issue about not listing

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MR. MAXWELL: Correct, sir, nothing.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Thank you.

MR. HAMILTON: Okay. My -- and after 12 years,

you know, after 12 years, you can get it expunged. I

mean I wasn't aware of that, you know. I mean I

wouldn't have had no problem listing. But when I got

that paper, you know, to be a guard, rather than try to

come up with Gower (phonetic), Magnum (phonetic) and the

tri-county, I wasn't aware that I needed to put it in

this county. When it showed, I picked, when you list

the felony, I list it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Were the felonies

listed and then we missed the misdemeanors, or is it --

MR. MAXWELL: No, sir, I listed everything that

was on the report that was on the application.


MR. INGRAM: Do you have a copy of the

application?

MR. MAXWELL: Not with me.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What have you been doing

for employment?

MR. HAMILTON: I work for Atlas, Atlas, Atlas,

Atlas grocery store.


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got this for this right here. It's a paper, CSN, CSN,

just right here for the award.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: You had some certificate

there from CSN?

MR. HAMILTON: Yes, sir. I want to...

(appellant handed papers to the Board). Thank you.

And this. Thank you. Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Describe those for the

Board members.

MR. INGRAM: Yeah. Okay. So we have a DD-214

that shows an honorable discharge for the military.

There's a certificate of completion signed by one of our

license holders, Vincenzo Esposito, that he successfully

completed 16 hours of security orientation training for

the position of security officer in the state. And we

have a certificate of achievement from the College of

Southern Nevada, successfully completed the Soft Skills

for Workplace Success. Doesn't give a number of hours.

It's signed by Business Services Coordinator of the

Division of Workforce and Economic Development. That

was in 2017.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So, as I understand it,

there's a single felony conviction?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.

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are a mishmash of misdemeanor violations?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, they are.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And it's your

position that you didn't list the felony conviction

because you thought it would go away after a certain

period of time?

MR. HAMILTON: I was told that when complete

the program, I complete the program, didn't need to put

a felony. Again, that when you complete your

certificate, you get it expunged. I would have had no

problem listing it, because I know they would have

certified in the computer. When I completed -- I did

the program for a whole year. And I went to a ceremony,

and they gave you an achievement, an award. And when I

went to that ceremony, it was supposed to be expunged

off of my record.

I would have had no problem listing it. When

you got an application, that's the only way that I found

out. When you do the application, you can't deny it,

you know. I would have had no problem listing it, you

know.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. That conviction

was in what state?

MR. HAMILTON: Um, um, um, uh -- not --

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MR. HAMILTON: Yeah, Florida.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. All right. Is

there anything else you would like to add?

MR. HAMILTON: No. Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: How long have you been

here in Nevada?

MR. HAMILTON: Two years and three months.


questions?

Entertain a motion.

(There was a moment off the record.)

MR. INGRAM: And, I guess, I'll say it louder

for the record. He was employed for a short period of

time. He was given provisional status until the

fingerprints came back. That's when he was denied. His

employer, who signed off on one of those certificates,

Mr. Vincenzo, is in the back of the room.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Would you like

Mr. Vincenzo to come forward and testify in your behalf?

MR. HAMILTON: Yes.


MR. HAMILTON: Thank you.


We had to get his permission, because, you

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Could you introduce yourself for the record,

sir.

MR. ESPOSITO: Yeah, my name is Vinny Esposito.

I'm his advocate with the State of Nevada, with DETR.

And I've working with him since June 27th. And all the

training and security and all that, we went through the

whole process.

On one of his papers he has, one of the things

that I looked at from Social Security, they did all the

investigations and found nothing, felony or misdemeanor.

So I said, well, I couldn't tell exactly what happened

in Florida. But it sounded like he no longer had a

case. And that's why, I guess, he figured it wasn't all

that.

And as far as character, I'm retired police and

ATF. And I'm also a security manager. So. And, plus,

he's, you know, he's an Army vet. So that's what I

wrote down. But that's part of character, you know.

So he does have, you know, employment waiting.

In fact, I had three positions open. So if he does get

back on, then we already have a job for him.

And that's it.

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MR. ESPOSITO: You're welcome. Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Appreciate it.

Any more questions of the appellant?

Entertain a motion.

Entertain a motion.

I got lost. You are Mr. Hamilton, right?

MR. HAMILTON: Yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I'm still me, too.

MR. HAMILTON: Thanks.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All right. I move that

we overturn the denial of item number 35, Ivan Hamilton,

and issue a work card. Is there a second?

MR. HAMILTON: Thank you, sir.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll second.


and a second. Any Board comment or question regarding

the motion?



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'm still concerned about

the lack of disclosure. And it's not just a lack of

disclosure on a misdemeanor or something that's 20 years

ago. It's pretty recent, and it was a felony. And so

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understand that he has a job waiting for him, you know,

if this is reversed. But I'm still troubled with this

disclosure aspect. It's not like -- it doesn't even

fall under, that I'm aware of, because nothing was said,

it doesn't even fall under that California statute.

It's just lack of disclosure. So, I guess, that's where

I'm struggling.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, for me, I tend to

give a little bit, a little bit of a benefit of the

doubt for the individual's personal experience in the

criminal justice system and their wherewithal to

understand the consequences and the actions. And it's a

fairly typical response from many people across the

country about the quick resolution of their criminal

case comes with the caveat that 10 years from now you

don't have to care. And I understand that it doesn't

limit them or require anything further of them except

for the disclosure. But for some folks, it seems like

that disclosure period automatically goes by the wayside

after 10 years. And I don't know if you have to be

totally sophisticated to get it or not, but, I think,

sometimes it does tend to fall through the cracks.

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Mr. Chair?


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: One of the reasons I am

supporting it as well is his work with the State in

trying to get through a program and then doing the

Social Security check and not finding anything. I

think, that would lead him to believe that it had been

expunged after he was done.





BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All in favor of the

motion, say "aye."



It carries unanimous. Congratulations.

MR. HAMILTON: Thank you. Thank you.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Good luck.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I'm missing a page. Do

you have the agenda handy?

MR. INGRAM: We're on 36.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Johnny Hardwick? Johnny

Hardwick, number 36?



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Okay. We'll trail number 36 to the end.

Tracy Holman?

Have a seat.





1988 wrongful possession and distribution of cocaine.

And this was a military conviction, but this conviction

carried over into the civilians, civilian world where he

had to register as a felon with the local PD.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: And the conviction was in

'88?

MR. SALADINO: Right.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What was the disposition?

MR. SALADINO: The military, I guess, issued

some sanctions and stuff. But he just had to register

then with the county as an ex-felon.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Mr. Holman, can you let

us know what --

MR. HOLMAN: It's only, it's going to be really

simple. Like I say, I was standing off post. And one

of the soldiers -- you know, we were always down to get

together. And one day, he came by the house. This was

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I'll tell you what I did. He came by, you know, and

asked me if I can go get him some cocaine. And I

happened to know a guy. I went to the guy, came back,

gave him that, took the money back to the guy, and that

was it.

And for that, they waited two years, before

like a week before I was getting ready to go, come back

to the states. They arrested me. I went to my first

sergeant's office, and I was arrested for something I

did. For that, I did like five months when I first got

to jail. And then that was it.


MR. HOLMAN: And I was -- you know, they

really -- I liked being a soldier. And, you know, I was

kicked out, took my money, you know, took my own

cottage, you know took everything. And that was it.

That's what I did.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Right. So did you have

anything once you got out?

MR. HOLMAN: Well, I'm -- you know, I'm

classified as a drug dealer. I wasn't a drug dealer

then. I ain't a drug dealer now. I don't have no drug

possessions. And I ran in the streets for 15 years,

didn't sell no drugs. I'm not a drug dealer. And I

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MR. HOLMAN: But I did do that, so.


Board questions?



for employment?

MR. HOLMAN: I'm disabled. I'm a hundred

percent disabled, three bad surgeries on my knee. And

my wife, you know, basically, my wife died in July of

last year. I have two girls to raise, you know. And my

disability check is not doing anything. The little help

I get from Welfare is just not doing it. And I have a

15-year-old girl and a -- and it's not -- you know, I

need money. You know, I got to get a job.

And I have, you know, my brothers. You know, I

have a job waiting for me. This is a six-month process

for me, you know. I was misposted on the last appeal

board. But something happened. You know, things

happen. But, like I say, I got to let these people know

even though I'm not -- I'm still disabled, I'm still

working, I let them know that, you know. I'm well, but

I'm not well, because I have to get a job.


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Entertain a motion.




I'd move that the registration for Tracy Holman be

reinstated and that the denial be overturned.



second. Any Board comment or questions on the motion?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Yes. The reason I can

support or make this motion is there's significant time

between the -- of the arrests and the felony arrest in

particular. And so, therefore, I think it's appropriate

to give this gentleman an opportunity.







MR. HOLMAN: Thank you. Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Number 38, Wesley Jones?

Good morning.

MR. JONES: Good morning, gentlemen and staff

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Let me find it here.

Okay. Who's the investigator on this one?




2000 domestic violence with a weapons charge. It was a

misdemeanor. And he was placed on probation. He was

scheduled to be here December 16 for the appeal, but he

wasn't. And now he's moving forward with his

application again. The applicant did disclose it the

second go-round on his application.

He also has a gaming card and made note to us,

to the Board that, Board staff, that he has had

employment with Circus Circus, and he did receive his

gaming card as well.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, what would you like

to say, Mr. Jones?

MR. JONES: Well, number one, I appreciate the

time here, of being here. I take full responsibility

for my actions that I did in this situation.

The long and short of it is that -- I'm not

going to go through the whole thing because it's kind

of personal. I had caught my wife cheating. I made a

comment to her. I was in security at the time, and

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a briefing on domestic violence about a week before.

So when I confronted her, I made sure that -- I

was getting to go out the door to go to work, because I

didn't want her to have the issues of standing there

arguing and getting in this situation. So what happened

was, you know, she saw that she couldn't get me to

engage with her, you know. So she made a comment about

she's going to get her man to kick my ass and all this.

Well, that triggered my, you know, not using good

judgment. I made a mistake, and I told her I had

something, whatever that was, which it was a weapon,

which I had in a closet, which was in a box. Which all

I did was take the box down and showed her, showed it to

her. There was no ammunition, nothing in it or nothing

like that.

And she commenced to get on the phone and call

nine-one-one and went through the whole nine yards.

Which I stood right there, and I didn't even leave.

They came, and I explained to them what happened.

Somebody told me, "Well, you know, she felt like she was

threatened for her life because of, you know, you

showing her the weapon." I said, "Well, I had no

intentions of doing anything. I just wanted to let her

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security for three years when that happened. I went

through court order, and I did everything the court

requested. I went to drug, drug rehabilitation. You

know, I had to go to anger management courses. I took

the urinalysis every week. I did all that. I was on

probation for a year.

And then I moved from Colorado to Texas. And

it took me five years to get my guard card back in

Texas, but I did do it.

And I think that I have done everything that I

needed to do. And I have a different outlook on staying

out of those type of situations. I'm remarried now.

I'm not even married to her anymore. And I think that

I've done well.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And this, the

offense was listed on the application?

MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir.


questions?

Entertain a motion.



BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that Mr. Jones'

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Unanimous. Congratulations.

MR. JONES: Thank you. Thank you, you all.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Steve Larkey? Steve

Larkey, item number 39?

We're going to trail it.

Wade Alonzo Manning?

MR. MANNING: Good morning, everyone.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: How are you?

MR. MANNING: Good.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Good.




MR. MAXWELL: Mr. Manning was made provisional

initially. All these arrests were taken from the

fingerprint report, and they were out of California.

1990, vandalism, convicted, 12 months of probation.

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probation, 25 days jail. 2002, domestic violence.

2004, attempted murder, felony, convicted, five years

prison. There's also another one listed for Susanville,

High Desert State Prison, Susanville, California,

another attempted murder. 2009, inflict corporal injury

on a spouse.

No arrests where disclosed. The applicant did

disclose the 2004 assault arrest out of California, with

a disposition as a fine, but this was not reflected on

the fingerprint report.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Mr. Manning?

MR. MANNING: Yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What's your point of view

on this?

MR. MANNING: I plead guilty to those charges.

And I also, since I've been out for almost 11 years, I

haven't been involved in no kind of activity with the

police or nothing, ever since then. And I've been

working since I got out.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What have you been doing?

MR. MANNING: I was working with my uncle -- he

was a contractor, cement contractor -- for like six

years. And now I've been doing temp agency services,

for the time that I've been out. I just recently

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And I started working immediately as soon as I got here.

So my background had passed because of that reason,

because of the attempted murder.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Now, there's two

different counts. Is there two different events?

MR. MANNING: No, I only know about one. That

was in 2004.

MR. INGRAM: One of them was while he was

incarcerated.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Was there, was there a

charge while you were incarcerated?

MR. MANNING: No, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: No? From the fingerprint

report, it's indicated that there was an attempted

murder charge while you were in High Desert at

Susanville.

MR. MANNING: No, sir, that's not true.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: That's not true?

MR. MANNING: No, I've never been in trouble

since I've been incarcerated.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Is there a

disposition on the fingerprint report?

MR. MAXWELL: One second, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, working backward,

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on spouse, cohabitation, in 2009.

MR. MANNING: Yes, sir. And I can explain it,

too, because I was with a jealous girlfriend, and I had

went to jail. Because I never was charged with those

charges, because she explained it to them that she lied

to the police because she was mad at me, and they

dropped the charges. I went to jail for them, but they

was reduced, they were dropped. And that's what that

was.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Do you recall being on

probation for five years, from 2009 till 2014?

MR. MANNING: Yes, sir, it was close to that.

I was on probation and parole, and I've cleared both of

those.




BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Was there a reason that

none of this was disclosed?

MR. MANNING: You mean on the application?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.

MR. MANNING: Yes, ma'am. I probably didn't

say nothing about it because I didn't really think it

mattered, because I wasn't charged with it.

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question. From what I'm understanding, then, you're

saying you weren't charged with them, but you were

convicted?

MR. MANNING: Well, yes, ma'am, because I --

you know, like I say, because when I went to jail for

those, like I said, she called down and she admitted to

them that she just did it because she was mad at me and

that they just needed to let me go. But I still was

convicted for it, like you said, yes.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Was there a

misunderstanding on the application when it asked have

you ever been arrested or convicted?

MR. MANNING: No, ma'am.

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chairman?


MR. INGRAM: I believe, Investigator Saladino

has some additional.

MR. SALADINO: In regards to the second

attempted murder, sometimes the fingerprint reports will

double up a charge, just like there's some kind of

hearing or something going on, so it's here on the

fingerprint report. So it's not necessarily another

attempted murder. It's just reiterating the other one

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under a felony category as well, where he received five

years of probation.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Anything else

you'd like to add?

MR. MANNING: Well, actually, I'm -- actually,

I just want to just to try to get my guard card and go

to work and try to carry on with my life. Because I've

been, like I said, I haven't been in any kind of trouble

since I've been out in 2008. I've been doing volunteer

work for the hospital in the Englewood district in L.A.

I'm just trying to carry on with my life farther, you

know, just trying to make a better life.



Entertain a motion.



BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move to uphold the

denial of Wade -- I'm sorry, I lost my place here --

Wade Alon Manning --

MR. MANNING: Alonzo.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Alonzo Manning's denial

of his registration card.


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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: If I'm understanding the

motion -- it was a little bit broken up for me. If I'm

understanding the motion, it's to uphold the denial; is

that correct?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: (Nodded head

affirmatively.)

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: That's correct.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'll second that.


and a second. Any Board comment or question on the

motion?

I'll make a comment. I'm going to support the

motion because it wasn't listed. And with the time

that's gone by, most likely you probably would have

gotten reasonably decent reception had it been

disclosed. So I'm going to support the motion.

Any other Board comment?




Carries unanimous. You're free to reapply in a

year.

MR. MANNING: A year?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: A year. And make full

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MR. MANNING: All right.


Bryan Neely?

Hello.

MR. NEELY: Hello.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Who was the investigator?



MR. MAXWELL: He was made provisional. And he

has a 2008 charge in Nevada of carrying a concealed

weapon. It was a misdemeanor, reduced from a gross

misdemeanor. The arrest was confirmed on SCOPE. And

the applicant did disclose the arrest. He also provided

court documents and an appeal that was provided at the

time of application. And this is all confirmed with the

fingerprint report.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So, ultimately, he was

denied simply because of the nature of the charge?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes.


Okay. Mr. Neely, what was your recollection,

what's your recollection?

MR. NEELY: I was pulled over, and I was --

made a, apparently, too quick of a right turn getting

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stop at the stoplight. I made a turn. The police

officer pulled me over. I immediately pulled over.

They asked me to search the vehicle. I didn't believe

there was anything in there. So I didn't have any

reason to tell them not to. And when he searched the

car, he happened to find a pair of brass knuckles that

were underneath the seat that I, honestly, had no idea

were even in there. I'd lost them five years prior to

that. They were just wedged up in the little -- where

my seat rolls back and forth on the front. And he found

them in there.

And that was about it. That was -- they

arrested me right there on the spot for it. And they

charged me with possession of brass -- or possession of

a dangerous weapon. Went to jail, I believe, two days,

or a day and a half or so I sat in jail. And then they

brought me before video court. They told me, they asked

me how I pleaded on it. I pleaded no contest. They,

you know, they were in there. I took responsibility for

it. And that was it.

And then they released me after the two days of

being in jail. I believe, I got a suspended sentence,

if I'm not mistaken, I believe that's what it was, and

just to stay out of trouble is what they told me. And

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I mean it was literally 10 years and four days

ago. I mean, yeah, 10 years and four days to the day

since that happened. And between now and then, I've

gotten maybe a couple, a handful of traffic violations.

And outside of that, I've had zero contact with law

enforcement.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any Board

questions or comments?

Entertain a motion.


Bryan Neely's denial be reversed, based upon time and

distance and the fact that he did disclose this arrest

on his paperwork.




second. Any Board discussion or questions on the

motion?




The motion carries unanimous. So good luck.

MR. NEELY: Thank you very much.


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MR. PERKINS: Good day.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Have a seat.

MR. PERKINS: Good afternoon, Chairman, and to

your team.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Who's the investigator on

this?

MS. DONALD: Investigator Donald. In 2011, out

of Wisconsin, Mr. Perkins was charged with possession of

cocaine. It was a misdemeanor. He received nine months

probation, was fined $254. He disclosed. He provided

documents.

2001, out of California, possession of

narcotics, controlled substance, a misdemeanor. He

received probation, and it was dismissed under

California Penal Code 1203.4. He disclosed.

In 1991, out of Michigan, he had a stolen

property in excess of $100. It was a felony. He

received five years probation and/or a $2,500 fine. He

did disclose.

So he was denied for the felony charge in 1991

out of Michigan for the stolen property. He did

disclose all of this, and he provided the court

documents.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Perkins, what

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to say?

MR. PERKINS: Well, I would like to say thank

you to you and your team. I am from Michigan. I've

been residing here in Las Vegas, Nevada for about, maybe

a little over five years now. I'm a new, reformed,

productive, tax-paying citizen.

I had a lot of issues back in the days, back in

the late '80s and early '90s, dysfunctional family,

improper home training. And I went to a project start

where they helped me get back on track with my life. I

got tired of staying in the county jail, and it started

scaring the heck out of me. So I've been walking a

straight line.

And I turned to drugs when my mom died back in

2001. And, you know, it was kind of hard to deal with.

So I went to a Proposition 36 that the judges in

California put together, you know, to help people like

me, help me get back on track so I can walk a straight

line. And since then, I've been walking a straight

line.

Now, with the Wisconsin incident, riding around

with the wrong crowd, coming from a party after work.

You know, went to a party after work. The police pulled

us over for an illegal turn. And drugs were found in

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charged. When they found out that who's drugs it was,

you know, he's the one that did the time. I only got

like six to nine months probation.

And after that, I got, I got out of Wisconsin,

came here. Hey, I've been clean since then. Right now,

I'm currently working at Amazon part-time. I've been

certified and baptized at church, Second Baptist,

resume.

I stood up for my expungement that Ms. Donald

was referring to, as far as the receiving stolen

property. So I'm waiting on the expungement to be in

the mail any day now. I have proof of residence. And I

paid for my own paperwork as far as my expungements and

my criminal background. So.


MR. PERKINS: As of today, you know, I like to

be trusted. I'm trying to pursue a career in

corrections. I believe, out of all my experience over

the years, I believe and I know that I have what it

takes to help people turn their lives around. I did it

in a negative sense. I know I can do it in a positive

sense, you know. And I'd like to help build that wall.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: You're not thinking that

anything, a surprise is going to get you in 2021, then,

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MR. PERKINS: Not at all. I'm scared of the

dark side. These days, I'm walking a straight line.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, but when I look

here, about every 10 years there seems to be a mishap.

MR. PERKINS: Yeah. Yeah. I take full

responsibility to that. I had a dysfunctional family,

for starters. You know, I wasn't was one of those honor

roll students, you know, dysfunctional family that led

me downhill. Picked myself back up. And next thing you

know, getting older, my mom died. And, you know, I

thought that the streets could take me under their wing.

But I'm one of the ones you guys helped by putting

together this program so I can reform myself into a

better self, a better man, you know. I take the

responsibility and take responsibility for my actions.

And this is all I'm trying to do. So now I'm

trying to give back, you know, to the community. I

would like to get inside law enforcement so I can help

protect and serve. You know, I'll probably try to get

back into college to get a degree so I can jump on the

bandwagon with you guys and be on a team so I could help

people understand that narcotics, substance abuse,

slash, alcohol ain't the way. And I know I can do that,

you know, if somebody could give me an opportunity, you

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any Board comment,

questions?

Entertain a motion.



Charles Perkins' denial be reversed, based upon the time

and distance and the fact that he listed all his crimes,

was forthright with all that.




BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Motion and a second. Any

Board comment or question on the motion?





MR. PERKINS: Thank you, sir. And thank the

team. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, sir.


Romeo Robinson?

Who's the investigator on this?



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of his arrests were out of California. In 1993,

attempted burglary, type unknown, 24 months probation.

2009, manufacture and sell a weapon without a handle,

type unknown, three days jail. '96, carrying a loaded

firearm in a public place, type unknown, convicted, two

years probation, 30 days suspended jail sentence. And

in 2000, felony theft, type unknown, convicted, three

years probation under 1982.

The applicant did not disclose any arrests.

The history for all the arrests were found on the

fingerprint report.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Robinson.

MR. ROBINSON: Yes, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is there a particular

reason that you didn't disclose this on the application?

MR. ROBINSON: Well, California, you go back 10

years. Okay. Nevada is different. I didn't know that,

but I should have put it anyway.

The weapon without a handle, that was a little

Chinese tin throwing star, and they said that was a

weapon without a handle.

As far as the gun in a public place, I don't

know why that's on there, because I have my guard card,

I have my gun permit. I had a rental car too long. On

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consent, when I was taking it back. But I had it too

long. Okay. I had went to go see a guy in Texas, came

back late. I was going to drop it off when I went to

work, because it was right around the corner from my

job.

I've done security from '86 and training, LAPD,

I did all the training and everything.

The rental car, stupid mistake. Okay. I'm 54

now. The only reason that I want to get back into my

career, something at work. Okay. I don't know if we're

permitted to show a video or -- I have a video of an

incident that happened to me. And that's why I decided

I wanted to get back into security, because my training

kicked in, in one situation.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: But I don't know that we

could admit the video, because we don't have any real

way of recording it and capturing it in video format.

So it wouldn't play well, if the stenographer is trying

to type --

MR. ROBINSON: Right.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: -- what all took place.

And so I don't think that that would be something we'd

be able to do.

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that you undertook a serious situation, and it got you

back into thinking that you want to be in security?

MR. ROBINSON: Yes, sir.


MR. ROBINSON: I haven't been in trouble with

the law. I wasn't doing pretty well in California. I

was homeless for awhile, looked for a job, couldn't find

anything. Came out here in January 2015, started

working at 7-Eleven and Rebel gas station. And it's

pretty much that I'm doing security, because I'm

catching people stealing out of the facility. So the

last incident where I caught somebody stealing, and I

was attacked, and I handled the situation and held them

for the police and everything, that's what just got me

wanting to get back into security.

And as far as disclosing, I was pretty much

scammed when I trusted somebody to try to get everything

expunged for me, and it didn't pan out. Like I said, I

thought it was a 10-year thing. And that was over 10

years. But I take responsibility for it. If I thought

it would hurt me, you know, I would have went back 30

years, you know, putting it on there, you know, if it

would have helped me, but.


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years, I just didn't do it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. These convictions,

they were all California, correct?

MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. A lot of people

become better people when they leave California and come

over here.

MR. ROBINSON: Yeah. I mean, you know, I found

a job right away, and I kind of liked what I was doing,

you know, customer service and everything. But when it

got into the homeless people coming in and trying to

steal, and all that, and I mean I just jumped back into

security mode. Because I did 15 weeks of training with,

like I said, the LAPD, Los Angeles Sheriff's, a

firefighter, a judge, a lawyer. They trained us on all

type of techniques.



Entertain a motion.


I'll make a motion to uphold the denial, based

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second to uphold the denial. Any Board question or

comment on the motion?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Just a quick comment. You

know, I think, due to time, I would have granted had it

been disclosed. So that's my concern.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any Board comment,

question?

MR. ROBINSON: I have a question, sir.


MR. ROBINSON: Okay. Is it, is it the fact

that it was a weapons charge that wasn't disclosed, or I

mean how far back do I have to go as far as listing

everything on the application?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: The application said list

everything.

MR. ROBINSON: No matter what year?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: No matter what year.

That's the problem that I've got.

MR. ROBINSON: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: If you would have listed

all that --

MR. ROBINSON: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I mean we haven't voted

yet. But I would not have made this motion had you

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MR. ROBINSON: Right. And, like I said, coming

from California, I didn't think I was going to get back

into security until that incident. Okay. I thought

pretty much my security career was over. And once that

happened, I thought I'd try it again. And, like I said,

in California, list 10 years. Okay. Nevada is

different, and you have to list everything. Okay.

Didn't know. Will know next time.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Any other questions from

the Board?




It carries unanimous. You're entitled to

reapply in a year. In the meantime, this doesn't bar

you from seeking employment as a proprietary security

guard. Our only authority is over security companies

that are for hire. You can go to work for anybody on

their property securing their stuff.

MR. ROBINSON: I'd rather do security in the

right way.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I mean that's the right

way.

MR. ROBINSON: The right way is a company with

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mean you can't so much, you can't too much learn

anything just by protecting other people's stuff when

there's no room for advance. You know, I'd like to

advance, get more knowledge, get more experience and,

therefore, working with my own company.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, you're welcome to

reapply in a year. And I'm sure, if you put all this

stuff down, you would have had a different response here

today.

MR. ROBINSON: Yes, sir. Thank you.


Ronnie Junior Saunders?

Good afternoon.




MR. MAXWELL: Mr. Saunders was made

provisional. 2006, he had a felony theft of property

out of Tennessee, guilty as charged, once year suspended

sentence. He also had three misdemeanor arrests out of

Tennessee, two in 2008 and one in 2010. And a 2016

misdemeanor arrest out of Nevada, possession of drug not

for interstate commerce.

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Mr. Saunders, what's your

reply?

MR. SAUNDERS: The felony that happened in

2006, somebody had an idea, something. I was young.

He, my friend, brought me a stolen DVD player. I was

broke. I took it to the pawnshop. And when I pawned

it, they charge you with everything. So I got charged

with the felony. I paid it. I did the probation. I

thought it was being expunged. I paid the 250 for it to

be expunged, but it never did.

And when I went down there to put the

application in for the guard card, they told me 10 years

that I'd have to put in that statement, it would pop up

in 10 years. So I broke it down and told it. I said,

"On my other application, if you go and ask her, on my

other application I submitted, I put all my charges

down. I put it down." She said, "Well, it ain't going

to pop up because it was 10 years ago." I was like,

"Okay. My misdemeanor is another one." They gave me

guard card. I was happy.

I've got two kids. I'm trying to start fresh.

I've been working at McDonald's and DQ. It can't

support my family. It ain't going to do nothing. But,

see, this security guard is supportive. And, I like

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you like doing what you do, you're going to do it every

day. So that's what I like. I like security. I don't

mind doing it, easy work. I'm living. I take care of

my family and feed the family.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: And when you say that you

had two separate applications, was one a hard copy

paper?

MR. SAUNDERS: Yes, the paper, yes. Okay. I

had it filled out and everything, brought it in there to

her. She looked at it, she said, "Oh, well." And I

broke it down. She said, "Well, it's passed. This

happened in 2006. It's been over 10 years. Well, it

might not pop up." If you ask her, I resubmitted it. I

redid it over. And guess what, missed out. I redid it

over.

And my misdemeanors, I was riding in the car

with somebody, and they had marijuana in the car, and he

didn't want to take the charge. It just so happened, I

was right by it. Technically, it was his car.

But as far as the job, boy, I really do, I

really do need it. It is beneficial. I came out here

for a fresh start. You guys, help me out, this meeting.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is there any record of

two separate applications in the file, do we know?

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Entertain a motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Mr. Chair, I would move

that Mr. Saunders' denial be upheld.


BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: I base that on --

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We have a motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Excuse me. I based that

on his failure to disclose and with even the recent

charge of 2016.



motion?




Carries unanimous. The denial has been upheld.

You can come back and reapply in a year, and disclose

all of this stuff.

MR. SAUNDERS: Yes, sir.


MR. SAUNDERS: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Sarah Schayes? Sarah

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Okay. We will trail.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: May we take a biological

break?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Ten minutes?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Ten minutes, please.


* * * * *

(A break was taken, 12:35 to 12:48 p.m.)

* * * * *

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Let's bring it

back to session.

Let's see. We've trailed Sarah Schayes. So

that brings to us to 46, Mitch Stiltner?

Good afternoon.

MR. STILTNER: Good afternoon.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. There's two of

you. So can each one of you make an introduction?

MR. STILTNER: My name's Mitch Stiltner.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Sir?

MR. BRAVO: And I'm Dennis Bravo. I'm the

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MS. DONALD: So I've written as of the report

date that we received that I had not received

fingerprint results back. But I have since. There is

nothing new to add to the report.

In 2005, Mitch was charged with felony burglary

of a motor vehicle. He received probation. And

he did disclose the arrest.

In 2007, Mitch was charged with felony burglary

of a motor vehicle, and he received one year in jail.

And he disclose the arrest.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. What can you tell

us about that, those two charges?

MR. STILTNER: Those two charges were at age

17 and 19. It was the same exact thing. I was with

some friends. They called it car-hopping. You

literally just walk around neighborhoods. We'd yank on

people's door handles on their car, take, take some

change out of there. And that's it. It was literally

my first time, my first arrest, I had ever done it. The

cops were right behind us, caught us red-handed getting

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now, I've had zero police contact at all. And I've been

raising a family. I've had a wife for seven years now,

two kids, six and four. So I've done everything right

since that time up until now.

I've been working with Alpha for -- was working

with Alpha for two and a half years. And it was

required to get a guard card. Submitted it, denied for

the felony. So I've been waiting for this day for about

six weeks now, hoping that things would go my way.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. What would you

like to add, sir, anything?

MR. BRAVO: Well, yeah. Mitch came to work for

us. We weren't in the guard scenario at the time, so he

was hired, brought in as a -- you know, as a contractor

to learn the business. He didn't know anything about

it. And he's been an exemplary employee for us. And I

consider him very honest. He's straightforward.

And I got to understand that you did something

wrong when you were younger. I didn't walk on water,

either. So.

But he's really been a good employee, and he's

got a great family. And I would, from a character

standpoint, I think it would be detrimental if he got

denied.

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MS. DONALD: I would also like to add that he

did provide three character reference letters. One is

from Mr. Bravo. One is from Michael Loomis, which is

the qualifying agent. And then another was from a

friend, I think.

MR. STILTNER: He's a sales manager for Alpha

as well.

MS. DONALD: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Any Board question

or comment?

Entertain a motion.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'd move that the -- that

Mitch Stiltner be granted his registration and that the

denial be overturned. And if there is a second, I'll

explain.




second.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I base that on

disclosure, providing character, also on the fact that

his employer, or previous employer is here on his

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disclosure, and then his explanation on what the

circumstances were.


Any other Board question, comments?

Okay. All in favor, say "aye."



It carries unanimous. Congratulations.

MR. STILTNER: Thank you.

MR. BRAVO: Thank you very, very much.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Tyger Summerise? Is that

right?

MR. SUMMERISE: That's me, yes. Let's keep the

overturn momentum going here, all right? You guys are

actually pretty brave. It seems like you guys should

definitely have a bailiff in here. I mean I'm sure

you've had your experiences over the year where somebody

just kind of snapped after getting the denial upheld,

I'm assuming? No?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Most of us spend a lot of

time putting people in jail in our previous life. So I

think we can clear the table pretty fast.

MR. SUMMERISE: I was like, no bailiff in here?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Who's the investigator?




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MR. MAXWELL: Mr. Summerise was initially made

provisional. All these arrests were out of California.

In 1997, he was arrested for carrying a loaded firearm

in a public place, the type unknown, two years

probation, five days, a five-day suspended jail

sentence.

And he was also arrested for four misdemeanor

arrests, the last one being intoxication. He did

disclose this arrest on his application. He put it down

as a battery charge, but it was found to be just

intoxication on the fingerprint report.

All the arrests were found on or confirmed by

the fingerprint report.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. What's your

response?

MR. SUMMERISE: Very surprised the

intoxication, but, you know, if it's there. I'm just,

intoxication, I don't do drugs, and I don't even like to

drink.

But as far as the firearm, I did make a

mistake. I was 20 years old at the time. I was working

as a security guard in a very bad area. I never wanted

to take the position. But, however, my father was never

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applied for this company, I'm thinking, what if they

hired me. They called me several days later. And the

first week of working a security position I was actually

stabbed. And I was really concerned at this point, you

know, considering, you know, I do need the job. I'm not

sure if I want to stay there. However, I did stay

there.

Now, I did make a stupid mistake after about

two or three incidents in working at this bowling alley.

And I did actually have a friend whose father was

actually in the service, and he had a couple of firearms

in his possession. And what I did is got a holster and

put this firearm and walked around with it, and nobody

questioned that I was not supposed to have it. Nobody,

didn't ask for permits. I even talked to law

enforcement officers when I had this weapon, you know,

several times, even at that bowling alley.

Now, however, I was taking my girlfriend to

school at Kelsey Northridge, California, where some law

enforcement officers were driving out of the location,

and they stopped to ask me for my license. And I told

them I don't have it. And they said, you know, "You got

to come with us." They took the firearm immediately,

and they told me to get in the backseat. I wasn't even

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didn't handcuff me, but I went to the station there, and

they did actually charge me with it.

Now, it was a really dumb mistake. I was doing

this probably for about four months, walking around with

this firearm in the holster, and nobody questioned it.

I just wanted to protect myself. I didn't want to be

murdered as I -- you know, working this job. I really

felt that something probably was going to happen here,

so.

I was given, I think it was a year or two

probation and did some community service. But I was

very fortunate because this could have turned out to be

a lot worse than what it was. I could have got a felony

easy.

And I do recall now. I mean after denial, I

started thinking about it. Because after so many years,

I thought that this wasn't even on my record anymore.

Because when I moved to Nevada, I applied for a CCW. I

was granted. Even before that, I went into a gun store,

and I purchased a firearm legally, and they gave it to

me.

So I wasn't even thinking about that. Even

when I'm applying for the CCW, the reason I put it on

that application and not this is because I remember the

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we're filling out the paperwork, he said, "Be very

careful to put everything on there. If you don't

disclose it, we're going to, it's going to be denied and

you're not going to get your CCW." So it was very fresh

in my mind at the time.

And I did work security at a school about 10

years ago. And I worked at a Van Nuys courthouse in

California. And this arrest didn't prevent these people

from hiring me. I remember the school, they pulled me

aside. And I was thinking to myself, okay, probably to

make sure this is not going to be on my record anymore.

They pulled me aside and said, "You made a dumb mistake.

We're doing think you're a bad guy, but we're going to

hire you anyway," and I got the job.

Now, I am working security right now, which I

planned on working security when I moved to Nevada.

However, the security position I'm working right now is

in California. Because the company, they have a lot of

contracts here in Nevada that they need filled ASAP.

And when I got the denial, I told them, "Well, I guess,

it's going to be a little bit before I actually, you

know, come back out here to work."

So I am working. Because I've got a guard card

in California. So I'm working at the Kaiser Hospital

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right now. But I don't want to do sales anymore. I

want to get out of the solar industry and move and

eventually work in the corrections, you know, here in

Nevada.

You know, and I do feel that I've become a

better person since I left California. And you're right

about that. But I do want to start fresh. I made a

couple of bad mistakes. They could have turned out a

lot worse than it did. And I hope that you guys can

overturn this and give me a chance to actually start

fresh out here.

You know, I plan on doing security for maybe

another year or two working for the company I'm

currently with right now, and then go on to corrections

after that.


comments, questions?

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Mr. Chairman, I have a

question.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: You did list the battery

on a person in 2008. And then it seems you did list the

intoxication but then not the other, the other one back

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MR. SUMMERISE: Yeah, like I said, I wasn't

even thinking about it at the time. I didn't even.

Just I got a couple jobs, hired. And when I got the

CCW, I almost forget about that arrest myself, to tell

you the truth.

As far as the intoxication, I'm still not sure

exactly what that is. But the battery was me and my

brother actually got into a fight. It was a family

altercation. He was getting into some trouble. And,

you now, my father's not there, so I felt like I have to

be the father, you know, and kind of talk some sense

into him. We had a couple heated conversations that led

to blows. And it was meant to be, because we were

fighting in the front yard, and an officer was driving

down the street at the time and arrested both of us. So

some good did come out of it, because he did change a

little bit since then. I did get that dismissed. And,

you know, it was something that should have happened.

Some good did come out of it, but it was a little bit

embarrassing and stuff like that.

As far this other misdemeanor, you know, it's

never stopped me from getting a job or even purchasing a

firearm, so I don't even think about it anymore. You

know, and even when I got my guard registration in

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and I even got a license to buy teargas and a pepper gun

and all that as well. I don't even think about it

anymore.

Now, since I got this denial letter, I went

back to the courthouse where that happened, and I did

apply for, you know, to get this expunged so it doesn't

come up anymore. Because I just don't think about it at

all. And they haven't responded to me yet, but I'm

pretty sure it probably -- you know, they'll grant me

it, because I, you know, haven't been in any trouble or

anything, or anything like that since.

But, you know, I just want to start fresh with

that. I don't want to stay in California anymore. You

know, it's a major exodus taking place in the state of

California. I'm a part of it. I have family here in

Nevada. I just want to start over.

And, you know, fortunately for me, I don't have

to come and apply for a company. I'm already employed

with a security company right now. And, you know, I'm

going to stay with that same company, you know. As soon

as, or if you guys decide to overturn this and grant me

this license, I'll stay with that same company and move

out here for a year or two, and then go on and work

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circumstances in the 2001 conviction for trespass,

refused to leave property, and it turned into 24 months?

MR. SUMMERISE: Yeah, what that was is when you

have a license -- I was working for a company. We were

going door-to-door. We were asking people if they

wanted to get us some, you know, home remodeling

projects. We didn't have a permit to be in the area.

It was the Lennox Division. They came and started

asking us for permits. Which, you know, I basically

said that, hey, our canvassing manager's around the

corner, and they can talk to him. And they arrested me

and one other person as well. I felt like it wasn't my

fault, you know. I was just trying to do -- you know,

make an honest living. And we didn't have permits to be

in the area. So they arrested me and one other person,

and they let us out the next day.

And it was very embarrassing. Because when I

went to the owner, he apologized. And, you know, I

didn't know that we were supposed to have permits. It's

just something I didn't even ask about. I didn't know.

But that's why they arrested me, because we didn't have

a permit to be in that area.


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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Entertain a motion.


I'll move to uphold the denial. Is there a

second?




motion?

My comment is, is that I'm making the motion

based upon a lack of disclosure.

MR. SUMMERISE: You know why I think you should

reconsider this? Here's the thing. We all need favors

from people in life, no matter who you are, what

position you're in. Now, I do realize I made a couple

of mistakes. At the end of the day, you guys have jobs

to do. But I can guarantee that if you actually

overturn this and give me an opportunity, it's actually

a fresh start here, the next time that you need a favor

from somebody in life, no what the favor is, it will be

granted.

You would never see me again. I'm here to make

an honest living. And I just want to leave California,

come here to be closer to my family, and start over. I

would really appreciate if you guys would give me the

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in the past. Every single person up here on this Board,

all of you, we all made mistakes in the past that we

regret and wish that we could take back. It probably

didn't lead to an arrest, but we all did, or said

something to somebody that we wish we could go back in

time and change. I think that you should grant me this

opportunity, because it would actually mean a lot to me.

I feel like this will be a slight bump, you

know, in life for me that has actually prevented me

from -- I'm not saying -- it's not going to stop me from

making an honest living. But I do have a few family

friends who actually did try to apply for this license.

They were denied. And what they did is turned to a life

of crime. I'm not saying I'm going to do that. But I

do understand how a lot of people in the street, they

tried to walk a straight line, they ended up off the

deep end and started committing crime and never got

back.

Now, I don't plan on doing that. I want to

make an honest living. And I think you should give me

an opportunity and reconsider this. Because I can

promise and guarantee all of you, you'll never see me in

here again or hear about me being in trouble with the

law. I actually want to work on the other side of the

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feel like, you know, this is a great time for me to

start fresh.

I mean it was very surprising to me when I

actually got the denial delivered. Because I was

curious. I'm walking around as an armed citizen, you

know, with a CCW. But I can't be an unarmed security

guard. I was very surprised. I was almost shocked when

I got it. I needed a license to buy teargas, but I

can't be an unarmed security guard. It was surprising

to me. But I understand, you guys have rules. But I

think that you should reconsider in my case, because,

you know, some good will come out of this.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, I -- from -- at

this point, usually we don't debate it at this point.

But in order for you to understand where I'm coming

from, I am all about giving people a second chance.

Because everybody makes mistakes, as you said. And I

would be thoroughly prepared to give you that card had

you disclosed everything that existed that was going to

come back on your fingerprint report. I mean that's the

issue is the lack of disclosure.

And I can tell you're an intelligent man. So I

can't factor in the fact that you didn't see what was on

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MR. SUMMERISE: I know. But you're right.

But, you know, like I said, on a day-to-day basis I'll

walk around not looking at myself as a criminal, even

dwelling on the mistakes that I made in the past. I

move forward from things. And it really was just

absentminded at the time, and I wasn't even thinking

about these things, you know.

Two days before I came and applied for this

license, me and my brother, we were actually talking

about that time when we got in the fight. So it's very

fresh in my mind. And, you know, that was like one of

the first things I put on there, you know, because it's

very fresh in my find and we were just talking about it.

As far as the other things, you know, it wasn't

an issue to me or even came into my mind, because I did

have jobs where they actually hired me and did the

background check, even at a school working with

celebrity kids. And, you know, it wasn't an issue.

So it's just, you know, I'm walking around, you

know, on a day-to-day basis, and I didn't even think

about it. I even got traffic citations in the past

where, you know, a couple times they wanted me to step

out of the car, and they started asking me if I had

drugs or weapons in the car. And, you know, go ahead,

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them do that. And I remember on two different occasions

the officer saying, "He has no criminal history." This

is in California, and once was here in Nevada.

And so, you know, people ask me have you ever

been arrested before, I say, you know, nil, you know. I

don't walk around looking at myself or thinking of

myself as a criminal. And especially when I was granted

the CCW. I never even thought about anything that I've

ever been arrested for in the past. I'm moving forward

from that point on.

You know, and another reason why I don't want

to stay in California is that the crime is just -- you

know, it's a number of reasons. But I was carjacked at

gunpoint, you know. And I came to Nevada literally two

days later, leaving everything I had there, you know, to

stay there. I just wanted a fresh start. I felt like

I'm going to get hurt out there. And so I moved out

here. I purchased a firearm, and I wanted to protect

myself, because I don't want to be the victim of a

bully.

Now, fortunately for me, you know, my

grandmother, she owns three properties, you know, one

here. My mom lives in one here. And the condo where I

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here and start over and buy a home here, just because I

don't want to stay there. I don't like the politics. I

felt like something's going to happen to me. And when I

was carjacked at gunpoint, I never felt so hopeless in

my life. I just wanted to leave the state immediately,

and 48 hours later I was gone.

You know, and I came here. And I like the

politics here. You know, I like what Governor Sandoval

is doing. You know, Joe Barr is doing a pretty good

job. He'll probably be reelected, you know. And, you

know, I do realize Nevada has its flaws, but I just felt

like I'm supposed to be here. And my mom's been telling

me for years, "Leave California. There's nothing for

you there." You know, in addition to the crime and all,

via the politics. And I always told her, "No, I don't

want to move to Nevada." And then, when it happened, I

felt like maybe it's time for me to get out of there.

You know, but I want to come out here and make

an honest living. And I want to go work at McDonald's.

And the last year and a half, when I first moved out

here, you know, I had a few big months in sales. And so

when I came out here, I didn't apply for a job for

almost a year. I had a lot of savings. I didn't have

any debt. I don't have any kids. And so, recently, I

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get a job. And so I applied for this. I said, okay,

I'll do security for a year, and I'll go, in maybe a

year or two, go do corrections.

And when I was denied, that's when I started

thinking, well, wait a minute. And then I had to go

back to California, because I have a guard license in

California, and I worked some of those companies, and

one of them hired me that I used to work for years ago.

And that's the company I'm employed with right now.

You know, and I just want to start over. You

know, there's no question in my mind that I'll never be

arrested again. Now, I do realize that I can be charged

for something that's not my fault. There's a lot of,

you know, things that happen, you know. I'm not saying

there's bad. I do trust law enforcement. But I don't

plan on ever being arrested for anything ever in my life

again. I'm not a criminal. You know, I actually want

to be on the other side and bring criminals in, you

know.




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It carries unanimous. You're free to come back

in a year.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Crystal Sunier?

We'll trail number 48, Crystal Sunier.

Steven Tayrien?

Good afternoon.

MR. TAYRIEN: Good morning, or afternoon.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: It runs together.




MS. DONALD: Mr. Tayrien was convicted of a

felony DUI in 2001 and was sentenced to two years prison

in California. He disclosed the arrest.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So the denial was simply

for the felony?

MS. DONALD: Yes, for the felony.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Can you tell us a

little bit about that arrest and the conviction?

MR. TAYRIEN: I had gone out with some friends

that night. And I was coming home on the freeway, and

came around a curve, and somebody had ran out of gas on

the freeway, didn't see them, hit the back of them,

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completed parole and the sentence.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Did you take it to trial,

or did you plead?

MR. TAYRIEN: Plead. Yeah, the attorney kept

saying, "Just wait, just wait, just wait." So I waited

for a year, over a year. And I just, you know, I wanted

to tell them guilty from the get-go. Let's just get it

over with. I drank. I drove. I hit her. I caused her

injury. But he just thought he would be able to get a

better deal.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Nothing since

then?

MR. TAYRIEN: No.


with your life?

MR. TAYRIEN: I came here in 2008 from

California to help my mom and dad. My mom had the

beginning stages of Alzheimer's. And when I got here in

2008, I moved into a mobile home park just to be in the

area, soon noticed that I needed -- couldn't go to work.

I had to help them more. Being in the park, it was

mostly a senior park. So I became active in the park,

and I started a neighborhood watch program and held

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Due to my dad's failing health, I actually ended up

moving in with him. And he passed in 2017. So I was

his main caregiver. The past year, I've had to close

our their trust. So I've been doing that. So now I

have to be grown up and pay bills again. I'm hoping to

try some new things and something I'd like to do now,

so.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Sure. Okay. Any Board




BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Entertain a

motion.


Mr. Tayrien's registration denial be overturned, based

upon time and distance and that he listed it and he's

not had any further contact with law enforcement.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: There's a motion. Is

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Passes unanimously. And they'll get you a

card.

MR. TAYRIEN: Thank you.


Number 50, Julio Chea?

MR. CHEA: Yes, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is that "Julio," or

"Hulio"?

MR. CHEA: Yeah. Appreciate it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Good afternoon.

MR. CHEA: Good afternoon, sir, and the Board.




MR. MAXWELL: Mr. Chea was issued a

provisional. Receiving his fingerprints, we found

arrests out of New Hampshire. 1989, felony forgery.

That disposition was unknown. Also, in '89, receiving

firearms while under indictment, which is a misdemeanor.

He got six months probation for that. And in 1991,

buying a firearm while under indictment, which is also a

misdemeanor, convicted, three years probation.

None of the arrests were disclosed, all found

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also provided a character reference from Welcome Home in

Manchester, New Hampshire, where he worked as a manager.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Chea?

MR. CHEA: Yes?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What can you tell us

about these?

MR. CHEA: Oh, first of all, I just want to say

that for the past 30 years, I've dedicated myself to the

homeless, families in transaction, the needy, and also

disabled veterans. I've been involved in security for

30 years.

Back in 1989, during those two, roughly two and

a half years, I was working for a company that, let's

say the owner was a little bit shady. Everything was in

my name for financial reasons and so forth, and the

company had signed it by the State of New Hampshire. At

the time, I was also the competent person in asbestos,

lead and hazardous waste.

To make a long story short, my lawyer and I

went to court. The company went under and so forth.

And I got, I got penalized. I got blamed for

everything.

To make a long story short, my records, okay,

were supposed to be squashed, where I was told that by

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charge. And I explained that to Inspector Maxwell. I

tried, I got ahold of my lawyer, and here's what he told

me, basically, he said his records are gone, he's moved

on and so forth. I called up the archives. I finally

got a record of all those documents and to forth. I

never even went to court on these charges. I went to

court with my lawyer on the previous charges with the

existing companies. Okay. I didn't know that I was

charged. I didn't know that I had these charges,

anything like that.

I have had numerous, numerous criminal records

and checks done by me over the course of the year. I've

been, I've worked very closely with the New Hampshire

state police, the Massachusetts state police because of

the human service field that I was in. Nothing ever

came up.

I am currently a security officer. I was the

master sergeant for the Longhorns for over a year. I

have a gun license. My record has been clean. I have

no prior. I didn't have any contact with police or

anything like that since 1991.

And I didn't know, okay, that I had these

existing charges, or whatever you want to call it. And

when I called up the courts in New Hampshire, I finally

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courts of archives, and she had a very hard time finding

the records and so forth. She did finally. It cost me

like almost $200 to get copies of this. Okay. And then

I was reading the indictment, or excuse me, the charges,

okay, and I called her back and so forth. And all she

told me was that it got moved up to Superior Court. And

I explained to her, I said, "I never went to court."

She goes and she looked it up. She says, "Yes, you

know, you never went to court. But somehow, you know,

you got convicted on it." Which I didn't know. If I

had known that, like I said, I'm straightforward and

honest, I would have put it down on my application.

But I had no idea that I had these charges,

number one. Number two, if I had known about it, okay,

I would have put them down. And number three, I just

didn't know. I didn't know that I had these charges on

me. And like I said, I've had criminal checks on me,

you know, I mean lots of them, by lots of police

departments, because, like I said, the field that I was

working in, and none of this ever came up.

She even told me they're so old that they were

sealed in the archives, and they had transferred from

paper to today's technology, computer disk, whatever,

and all that. And I went through, like I told

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calling night and day, to try to get a copy of these

records, okay, to find out, you know, why it happened in

my record and so forth.

That's it, sir, in a nutshell.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: When you, when it says

indictment, in Nevada an indictment only happens at the

felony level. So I'm a little bit confused. Is that

indictment for misdemeanors in New Hampshire?

MR. MAXWELL: It didn't really say, sir. I

didn't see anything on the fingerprint report that said

indictment.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. There was a buying

of a firearm or possession of a firearm while under

indictment?

MR. MAXWELL: So, yes, while under indictment,

receiving firearms, which he got six months probation

for, and buying a firearm while under indictment, which

he got three years probation. I think, that's, the

indictment was for the Class B felony case, which was

the first one Mr. Chea explained.


MR. CHEA: Could I add something to that, sir?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Please, yes.

MR. CHEA: I was working at a shelter called

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Manchester. We had a shooting, and we had a couple of

stabbings. The board came to me and suggested that I

get a firearm, you know, for protection, because some of

their staff had been attacked, you know, at the time.

Anyway, I purchased a gun, yes, I did, and in a

gun shop in southern New Hampshire, okay, while under

indictment. Which I didn't know that you couldn't buy a

gun under indictment. ATF showed up at my office like

two and a half weeks, you know, or two weeks after,

knocked on the office, and asked me, "Did you buy,

purchase a gun?" blah, blah, blah. And I said, "Yes, I

did." I said, "It's right here." And I had it, you

know, in my desk in the holster and so forth.

And what they said to me was, "You're under

indictment. You can't purchase a gun." So I handed

them the gun, and I said, "What's going to happen?" and

so forth. And, basically, the ATF just says, "We'll get

back to you." And that was the last I heard of it.

And, like I said, I never went to court on it, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Out of all of the

documents that he's provided, was there any court

minutes of any type, or was it just dispositional

documents?

MR. MAXWELL: It was the copy of judgment from

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was the judgment.


questions?

Entertain a motion.



Mr. Chea's denial be upheld, and based upon his failure

to disclose.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Is there a second?



second to uphold the denial. Any Board questions or

comments regarding the motion?




Passes unanimous. We've upheld the denial for

failure to disclose the history. You're welcome to come

back in a year. I'm sure if you fully disclosed, you

probably would have seen a different outcome. Thank

you.

MR. CHEA: Thank you.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Number 51, Darnell

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MR. MORRIS: Yes. How are you dong today?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Good. How are you?

MR. MORRIS: I'm fine.




MS. DONALD: In 2004, out of the California,

Mr. Morris was convicted of a felony for transporting

and selling narcotics. He was found guilty and served

three years in prison. He did disclose.

2000, out of the California, Mr. Morris was

found guilty of a felony transporting and selling

narcotics, found guilty, two and a half years prison.

He did disclose.

1994, out of California, found guilty of a

felony possession and purchase cocaine, guilty, four

years prison. He did disclose.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Mr. Morris, can

you tell us a little bit, something about those, that

criminal activity?

MR. MORRIS: Just was unemployed and just

started selling drugs.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Were these trials or

pleas?

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Pleas?

MR. MORRIS: Yes, sir, m-hm (affirmative).


with your life since 2004?

MR. MORRIS: I got my, through the V.A.,

pension. Yeah. When you get -- everybody in the

military, you can file for a pension. So I filed, and

they approved it.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: What branch of the

military?

MR. MORRIS: United States Navy.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you for your

service.

MR. MORRIS: Yes, sir.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: And, what, you want to

get into the security field?

MR. MORRIS: Yeah, I did it back in '91 for a

couple of months. And I'm getting bored just sitting

around the house. So I said I'm going to try to get me

another job.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I see. Okay. When was

the last time you imbibed in narcotics?

MR. MORRIS: 2004.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Did use have anything to

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MR. MORRIS: Oh, no, sir, I never, never, never

use, never drink, never smoke, none of that.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So it was just a matter

of economics?

MR. MORRIS: Basically, yes, sir.


Board questions, comments?

Call for a motion.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I move to grant Darnell

Morris a registration work card and overturn the denial.



there -- oh. We got a second. Any comment or question

on the motion?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Yes, sir.

Mr. Morris, thank you for being straightforward

and honest.


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: And for disclosing.


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. All in favor of

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The denial will be overturned, and they'll

issue you a card.

MR. MORRIS: Thank you, sir.


MR. MORRIS: Take care.

MR. INGRAM: We have several trailed items.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. We'll take them

one at a time, so we have a clear record.

MR. INGRAM: The first trail I have is item

number six, Invictus International Holdings.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I had the opportunity to

go back and check the minutes. And it shouldn't be

surprising that I wasn't as clear as I should have been

when I was talking and thinking at the same time. So I

don't have a firm recollection of the issue that I

wanted to raise at the first meeting. I just knew that

I wanted an answer regarding the filing at the Secretary

of State that caused me some issue when I was doing the

homework.

So is there any reason why this person wouldn't

be here again?

MR. INGRAM: They were noticed. They knew the

reason for the postponement was that they did not appear

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: When I make the mistake

of handing you back the thumb drive, I also hand you

back my memory, so.

MR. INGRAM: I resemble that remark.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So without somebody here

to answer a question, it seems to me like my issue was

with regard to the Secretary of State. Because I think

that that was my mantra that meeting. It was just one

of those things I just default, chose to default to when

I was doing my homework. So it was just figuring out

what was going on with the Secretary of State, so.

MR. INGRAM: And I know that Gisela Corral did

have contact with them again and notify them of the

meeting. And we fully intend that she intended for them

to be present today.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I hate to make a denial

based upon something that I had in my mind at the time

when, I think, I was -- that was the only thing that was

raised as a negative. And I don't know that it was a

negative. I just needed clarification from somebody.

MR. INGRAM: Investigator Maxwell, did you have

any notes, additional notes on the background itself?

MR. MAXWELL: Only what was --

MR. INGRAM: Previously presented?

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I went back again through

the minutes of the December meeting, and it's finally --

I think, I didn't fully explain it because they weren't

physically present, so I wasn't -- you know, I didn't

make a good enough record. So. But they had notice

that we're here and we're ready to go.

I'd move for denial of item number six,

Invictus International Holdings, LLC.




and a second. Any Board discussion or question




BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I guess, I'm a little

reluctant to vote, or to support the motion, only

because this is a member. It's not a qualifying agent

or anything of that nature. It doesn't rise to the same

level of qualifications as a qualifying agent. So I

don't know that I can support the motion.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: That's a good point.

Thank you. Now that you've mentioned it, I don't like

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BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: This is for Mr. Ingram.

When you contacted them, did they give any indication

why they weren't here the last time, or provide any

information?

MR. INGRAM: Right. It was a travel deal.

They wanted to know if it was absolutely necessary for

them to be present. And Board staff tells them the same

thing every time. It's not a requirement by statute or

regulation. However, we strongly urge them to be

present in the event there's a question for

clarification. And they chose at that time not to, to

show. Board history normally did not require a member

or a corporate officer to always be present. It was

just individuals that were coming before the Board for

licensure.

So, as Mr. Nadeau put on the record, those have

never been held to the same level of them appearing

before the Board, just because they are a member or

corporate officer and not actually the licenseholder for

the company.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Were they notified that

there was an issue that needed clarification?

MR. INGRAM: Yes, sir.

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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you, Mr. Chair. My

recollection was that this item was, then, part of the

block vote, except for the question as far as the

Secretary of State.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: In looking back, and I

have accessed the Secretary of State's website, and in

looking back, I think I had a question with regard to

MBI Asset Management, LP, because they are listed as a

managing member in the corporate documents, but they're

not, as I recall, included in our files. So that would

be a separate legal entity not being a human being,

being a managing member of an organization that seeks to

have licensure.

So the entity itself is listed as the managing

member, which is self-explanatory; a managing member of

Matthew Koetting; a managing member of Stephen Krueger.

But then the fourth managing member was a separate

entity, MBI Asset Management, LP.

So, I think, that's what caused my question as

to who makes up MBI Asset Management, LP. Because

they're a managing member, they would have -- it would

seem like they should be here, whoever those people are

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licensure. That's my recollection now.

So we had Invictus International Holdings, LLC,

and we're looking to -- they've already got a licensee.

And they were seeking member approval for Mr. Krueger,

who is listed as a managing member. And, I think,

Mr. Koetting ("Kote-ing") or Koetting ("Keet-ing") or

whatever, is the licensee, correct?

MR. INGRAM: Yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yes. So we've got the

two principals involved there in Invictus International.

That's a taxation issue. But then, with this separate

entity, MBI Asset Management, LP, why aren't they on our

agenda, and why didn't that entity file an application

to be considered? We don't know who they are. We don't

know. Well, I guess, we can look around, look them up,

right? MBI Asset Management.

Without casting aspersions, it seems like the

type of foundation that you use to hide things, or to be

reasonably crafty anyway.

Now, in MBI, we've got a general partner of

RD Inc. So we've got another company and another layer

of business.

So, I think, my point at the time was I can't

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So, from the perspective that -- oh, I'm sorry.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: No. No, go ahead.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: From the perspective of

the action to deny, I would guess that that would only

be the denial for that application based upon their

wanting Mr. Krueger put into the mix and listed as a

member. I don't think that it would do anything to

revoke the license or its current operation. However,

this might raise enough of an issue that we might have

to take a look at it and see who's actually running this

company.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Would an alternative be

for the Board to inquire as to who -- we know, we know

Krueger is a member of the LLC.


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Would it be maybe an

alternative route to inquire of them as to who the

other, other member or, you know, whatever, the other

managers? In other words, shed some light on that

rather than deny a member that's an individual. Maybe

I'm not being very clear on that, but.

And I'm kind of stuttering around here, but,

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him would then -- then, we wouldn't have a real person

as far as the LLC. You know, because we have another

entity. What is it called, MBI Asset Management?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Right. And then they're

owned by a company called RD Inc.

MR. INGRAM: We always can open an audit.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: I'm sorry?

MR. INGRAM: I said we can always, if you were

to approve him as a member, since he is listed on the

Secretary of State, we could always open up an audit

from that company, for Invictus, to go down those couple

of layers to investigate not only MBI, but the other

party, RD Holding, or whatever it was, and audit those

records and then report back to the Board at a later

time.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, for me, it's kind

of like the cart before the horse, though, because I'm

not so sure. For a licensee to include someone on the

corporate structure, prior to being approved by the

Board, seems to me the wrong way to go. I mean if he's

already put on the corporation as an officer or a

member, before we approve it, that that seems like there

was some forgone conclusion that he was qualified to do

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they produce widgets, and he's in charge of the widget

thing, that would cause another question. But if all

they do -- and it may be that there are other avenues

for business to operate, since you have three layers of

business. There's got to be some reason that you have a

corporation that's owned by a limited liability company,

which in turn becomes a managing member of a third

limited liability company. That's either got to be an

accountant's dream or there's some reason for that

insulation.

MR. INGRAM: Well, we always require that the

individuals be added to the Secretary of State, along

with their application to become a member or a corporate

officer. That's part of the requirement that we provide

to the Board for review, is to show that they've gone

through the process of adding them through the Nevada

Secretary of State, for them to then come before you as

an applicant for member or corporate status.

I guess, what we could do is go back to that

initial investigation that was conducted on Invictus and

Mr. Koetting to see if he was added before or after.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, I don't see any

problem with that when there's no license in existence.

MR. INGRAM: Right.

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Nevada corporation and say this is how we're going to do

business if we get a license, well, that presupposing.

You're not doing business already as a security in the

state with somebody that hasn't been vetted.

MR. INGRAM: True.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Because he's walking into

an existing license.

MR. INGRAM: Right.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Rather than we formed a

corporation, and now we want to come through and be

anointed to do the duty. That causes a little bit of

trouble. Because, otherwise, theoretically, they just

throw a couple more officers in. And if it was

contemporaneous, that doesn't cause me as much

heartburn, you know, but.

MR. INGRAM: Right.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I just, now that's the

fog, and the memory is coming back a little bit. And it

was just the fact that it caught me as strange that it

would have those levels of corporate involvement without

having included in the application process, so that

there would be a disclosure that maybe you need to

investigate this company and this company and this

company. I doubt that they want to pay all of those

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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Devil's advocate, wouldn't

that be the only reason you'd want to be here, to answer

the questions, not go through that process, so.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: If the second will allow,

I can withdraw my motion.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: No problem.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. And ready for a

new one if somebody's got one.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I'll try.


BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Thank you. I would just

make a motion that the item for Invictus International

Holdings, LLC be moved to the next regularly scheduled

PILB meeting, and in the interim they be contacted.

And I don't really want to include the audit,

an audit piece in the motion, unless you think it's

absolutely necessary. But I think there should be some

requirement by the Board as to who all is involved. So.


there a second?



questions or comments on the motion?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Does Kevin need, does

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it will not be included.

MR. INGRAM: No, it's not required. We can do

that at any time.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: So that is not, the audit

is not part of the motion, just to be clear.


BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Can I ask a question?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Sure.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Does this get postponed

until -- I mean when do we say you haven't showed up,

you know, you're denied?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I would assume, if it

gets on the next agenda, I'd have a hard time voting to

let it go past that.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: And I'd probably fully

agree with that.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: In the discussion portion

for the motion, I wanted to make sure that the record is

clear that I wasn't pronouncing my little jaunt through

the Web, to the Secretary of State's office, as evidence

of any nature. That would be up to staff to conclude

the veracity of the -- I was just trying to recollect

my reasoning for not wanting to handle it in a block

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not supposed to be the investigator. So I'm just saying

that's what caused me to have that at the last meeting.

So whatever I just said wasn't -- I'm not basing it on

any fact, just what I saw.

So, all in favor?



Carries unanimously.

MR. INGRAM: The next trailed item is item

number 22, R & G Securities LLC. Ms. Garnetta Brown was

notified. And Board staff was under the impression that

she would be present today.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Can we have a motion to

postpone to the next meeting? Or I make the motion.



second. Any Board discussion or comment on the motion?




Carries unanimous.

MR. INGRAM: And we already put on the record

that item number 27 would be withdrawn.

The next trailed item I have is item number 36,

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BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Okay. Item number 36,

Johnny Hardwick. Is he, Hardwick, here?

Which one's next?

MR. INGRAM: The next item is number 39, Steve

Larkey.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Steve Larkey, item number

39?

MR. INGRAM: Next item, 45.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Sarah Schayes, item

number 45?

MR. INGRAM: Next item is 48, Crystal Sunier.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: 48, Crystal Sunier.

MR. INGRAM: And that's the last trailed item I

have.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I move we deny the

appeals for item number 36, Johnny Hardwick; 39, Steve

Larkey; 45, Sarah Schayes; 48, Crystal Sunier.



questions regarding the motion?

All in favor, stay "aye."



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That brings us to Board comment and future



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agenda items.

MR. INGRAM: Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of

items. First of all, I'd like to introduce our newest

investigator to the Board. Shawn Mahan, who is up there

in our Carson City office, has been on board for a short

period of time with us. And he come to us from Storey

County Sheriff. He also has a couple of degrees in

mental health counseling. And he's come on board and is

learning very quickly. And we're glad to have him as

our investigator in the north.

MR. MAHAN: Thank you. Thank you very much,

Kevin.

MR. INGRAM: The other thing, a couple other

items. We have had a request by a couple of individuals

now who are asking if they can purchase one of our Board

pins that we've had made. They like them. They collect

them.

And at the original time when the pins were

discussed, there was discussion amongst the Board, but

not a vote. The only vote was that, yes, I could move

forward to use some money to purchase the pins. Okay.

There was discussion of who should have access to the

pins. And in an informal discussion, it was decided

that only Board members and Board staff would have

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And it has been brought to my attention that

there's others who would like to purchase them. So I

didn't know if that's an item that we need to agendize

for future to actually have a vote on it, or if an

informal decision might be made on that.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: From my perspective, I

view them and consider them as something similar to a

patch. And, you know, they're not a designation of any

authority. So if somebody covers the cost and they want

to be -- accept FOB, you know, more power to them. But

that's just me.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Mr. Chair, I agree.

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: I don't have a problem

with that. That would be fine.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I have no problem.

MR. INGRAM: Rosalie, do we need to make a

formal, do we need to agendize this and have a formal

vote, or can we do this informally?

MS. BORDELOVE: Well, I would have to look

into, I guess, the extent that you need a vote. But to

the extent that it's happening during a meeting in an

agenda item that's about future agenda items, I don't

think any decision can be made right now, under open

meeting law concerns, because we're under number 52,

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MR. INGRAM: Right. It also says "Board

Comment."

MS. BORDELOVE: Right. So a little comment can

be done. I wouldn't make any decisions here. Whether

it -- I can discuss with you further whether it's

something that the Board has to officially decide on.

MR. INGRAM: Okay.

MS. BORDELOVE: But I would recommend probably

not making any official or unofficial decisions under

this agenda item.

MR. INGRAM: Okay. Thank you.

One last item, pursuant to Administrative Code

648.280, I'm required to just put on the record of a

quarterly board meeting any, the number of individuals

that I have approved authorization to work on a case in

Nevada that started in another jurisdiction. And for

this quarter, we had three requests. They provided all

the documentation that was required. And three

approvals were granted for short periods of time. And

so, again, just wanted to put that on the record

pursuant to NAC 648.280.

That's all I have.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Let's see. I have an

informal issue that doesn't necessarily make a decision,

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assistance on. I don't even know if it comes to

fruition. But I've got, in my private business I've got

an issue with a complainant that we're trying to work

on, apparently, not to his satisfaction all along the

process. But the individual's name is Michael Gudgeon,

G-U-D-G-E-O-N. And this is involving a repossession

activity.

Mr. Gudgeon, in his last foray with me

personally had indicated that he expected to -- what

does it say here? He figured out that I'm a Board

member and said that he was going to escalate his

complaints because I won't resolve them within my

company. So, of course, I haven't gone beyond that

little piece of extortion.

But in the event that he does make a complaint,

I wanted to have -- I didn't want to have anything

whatsoever to do with it. So I first anticipated, based

upon the nature of his communications with me, that he

might have showed up here today and wanted to dance a

little bit. But since he didn't -- and I take him at

his word that he's not going to go away. But I also

don't want to deprive him of his opportunity to be

heard.

So I'm hoping that if Mr. Gudgeon makes a

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there needs to be any assistance at the Board level,

that I can put a rope around your neck, Mr. Nadeau, to

act as Chairman on the individual complaint for Michael

Gudgeon, if one happens upon us?

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Whatever you direct me,

Mr. Chair.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Thank you. I don't know

that it would come to that, and I don't know that any

complaint's going to come. I welcome him to take me to

court or anywhere else he'd like to go. But he's --

tends to want to do something. I don't know what.

But I wanted to make sure Kevin could have some

assistance if he shows up on his doorstep and wants to

make a problem. I don't want to be the guy on the phone

with Kevin telling Kevin what he should or shouldn't do,

based upon the nature of whatever his claim might end up

being. So I'd just like to have it as clean as

possible.

MR. INGRAM: Absolutely.

Rosalie, we'll be there together.

MS. BORDELOVE: Say that again.

MR. INGRAM: I said you and I would be dealing

with that together, so.

MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.

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filed.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: I wouldn't have brought

it up, except for I didn't want it to come as a surprise

and then have you reach out to me, and then with us have

to go behind it. I just put you in front of it and say,

up to Nadeau, or Mr. Nadeau.

MR. INGRAM: Thank you.



BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: For a couple of maybe

agenda items, if the rest of the Board would be

interested, is it possible that for one of our agenda

items we could get a legal update as far as existing

lawsuits that may be in the process? I don't know if

that's -- if our counsel would allow that. But it would

just seem to me that that might be an idea.

The other thing is, when we were working in the

workshop and we passed the regulation, we were talking

about reciprocality and that type of thing. And I was

just going to ask. Kevin, how -- and not for

deliberation, but are we going to have some kind of a

report at our Board meetings on who is granted

reciprocation and that type of thing?

MR. INGRAM: Yes, absolutely. And, in fact,

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to finalize -- I received from the Governor the signed

approval of the endorsement. We've now, the next step

is moving that regulation forward through the regular

administrative process. So that will be going forward

to make that permanent.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: That'll be going to

the --

MR. INGRAM: And if it --

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: That'll be going to the

Legislative Commission?

MR. INGRAM: Yes, so it'll go to LCB again,

through the formal process. And as of right now, any

applications that are being received with out-of-state

licensing, we will follow that regulation to the T, that

was passed. And then, at the next Board meeting or at

any Board meeting where we have to make determinations

based on that, a report will be provided to the Board as

a whole.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Is there a plan to post

reciprocal states on our website or anything of that

nature?

MR. INGRAM: That's something we could do, if

the Board so chooses. You know, we're still in the

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BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: Right.

MR. INGRAM: They're on a very tight deadline

to bring everything to fruition, which gives them about

another week to finalize everything. I can tell you

that we've made tremendous progress. We will then be in

control of our website wholly. And updates can be made

there very quickly.

Chief of Operations Lori Irizarry is our

resident website guru, and she'll be training a couple

more on how to make updates to the website. She's done

a phenomenal job. And so anything that we decide we

want to post for public record, we can do that fairly

quickly. And I think it is a good idea, because of the

regulation requiring us to do so, that we do make it

public record.

So in a long way, I'm telling you, yes, I think

that's a good idea and, yes, we will do that.

BOARD MEMBER NADEAU: But I mean we can't

deliberate on issues. It was just a comment.

MR. INGRAM: Correct. It's only if it's -- I

don't think it's a decision that has to be voted upon.

You know, I have to make public records accessible to

the website. So that's something that I'll do in an

informal process.

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Mr. Chair.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Also, I wanted to give a

short update on our appearance before the Sunset

Committee.

MR. INGRAM: Yes.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: We're probably going to

have to go back before them again this month. I think,

we were able to answer all of their questions except for

the comparison of how much we charge versus what other

states charge and whether or not we were nice to

business. So it came along the lines of, you know, can

we be cheaper than anybody else. But I can ask for some

comparisons that Kevin's trying to put together, but

there's a lot of apples to oranges, because a lot of

state agencies are General Fund funded. They're not

self-funding entities.

So, but that didn't seem to want to hit the

right spot in that meeting with a few of the, you know,

government, less government is best government-type

legislators.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is there any comment on

that as to how long it takes other agencies to get,

issue guard cards?

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Well, we talked at length

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put a comparison up to what we're doing in comparison to

California. As a matter of fact, in my testimony, I

said, you know, I'm licensed in California and nobody's

ever knocked on the door and said boo. I've been cited

twice by my own agency.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: So that tells you a story

about who's doing what, where.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: In Arizona, it takes --

and in New Mexico -- anywhere from four to six weeks for

an employee to get a guard card.

MR. INGRAM: Yeah, they were more keyed into

the licensing fees. Our licensing fees are higher than

most other states, in fact, all the other the states.

But, in comparison, when I did the comparison for

licensing, original licensing and renewal licensing

fees, I added in the expenses of what we charge for

branch offices versus other states, significantly lower.

What we charge for guard cards or work cards versus

other states, tremendously lower.

So even if they were to come back and say, yes,

I think we need to bring our licensees, licensing fees

more in line with the other states, we would more than

make up for that in bringing our fees for our work cards

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We would still be able to sustain, you know, our budget

the way that we do right now, and actually put more

money into the budget to allow for more staff to be

hired to do a better job of compliance checks.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Because that's the only

thing. I mean it takes them so long to get employees

licensed in Arizona that they have, you know, other

costs. So it's not business-friendly, because they're

paying overtime and everything else because they can't

get employees on staff. Whereas here, it is.

MR. INGRAM: And I don't know if during the

Sunset Committee if they allow for additional witnesses

to speak on behalf of the agency. I mean that's

something I could inquire about. You know, I don't know

of any instance where somebody who's trying to get

licensed here said, nope, it cost too much, I'm not

going to move forth with licensure. I've never had

somebody tell me that, and in my, what, five and a half

years now.

BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And there's a lot of

programs that go along with that, too, JobConnect, issue

vouchers if they need help.

MR. INGRAM: And right now, our turnaround,

what's our turnaround time for work cards?

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or two weeks, expedites about one to two days.

MR. INGRAM: Yeah. So one to two weeks versus

one to two days on expedites. You know, even when we

were down, even when the website was down for those two

weeks, we were still turning out work cards. There was

absolutely no delay. It's just that they couldn't apply

online. They had to apply in-house. But we made some

accommodations to make sure that it didn't put a burden

on the licensees having to send their staff into our

office. In fact, in the north, Investigator Mahan would

go to local business offices and pick up applications or

bring them to Carson City with him, to prevent them from

having to drive to Carson City, and that was

well-received.

So we'll see how that goes. Steps have been

provided to the Sunset Committee. I'll be sending you a

copy. And I believe we'll do the best we can to answer

the questions.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Yeah. I think, that's

all I have.

That brings us to item number 54. All right.

Motion to adjourn.

MS. BORDELOVE: Don't forget public comment.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Hey, good job.

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MR. INGRAM: No public.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: No public in the north?

BOARD MEMBER COLBERT: Nothing north.

BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: Nothing in the south.

Now I move for adjournment.

MR. INGRAM: But nobody wants to second.


BOARD CHAIRMAN ZANE: All in favor, say "aye."


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(The meeting adjourned at 2:07 p.m.)

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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I, SHANNON L. TAYLOR, a Nevada Certified Court

Reporter, Nevada CCR #322, do hereby certify:

That I was present at the Office of the Attorney

General, 100 North Carson Street, Mock Court Room,

Carson City, Nevada, on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, for a

matter scheduled for 9:00 a.m., and commencing at

9:13 a.m. took stenotype notes of a meeting of the State

of Nevada Private Investigators Licensing Board;

That I thereafter transcribed the aforementioned

stenotype notes into typewriting as herein appears, and

that the within transcript, consisting of pages 1

through 206, is a full, true, and correct transcription

of said stenotype notes of said meeting;

I further certify that I am not an attorney or

counsel for any of the parties, not a relative or

employee of any attorney or counsel connected with the

actions, nor financially interested in the actions.

DATED: At Carson City, Nevada, this 6th day of

April, 2018.

____________________________

SHANNON L. TAYLOR

Nevada CCR #322, RMR