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Dr John Swinnen Vascular Surgeon Dialysis Access Specialist MSF Trauma Surgeon University Of Sydney Westmead Hospital Too Much or Too Little flow: Steal Syndrome and the Giant Fistula Advanced Course in Vascular Access 2019 Convenor: Professor Kittipan Rerkasem 2 3 May 2019, Chiang Mai, Thailand

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Page 1: Too Much or Too Little flow - Chiang Mai University€¦ · Too Much or Too Little flow: Steal Syndrome and the Giant Fistula ... Convenor: Professor Kittipan Rerkasem 2 –3 May

Dr John Swinnen

Vascular Surgeon

Dialysis Access Specialist

MSF Trauma Surgeon University Of SydneyWestmead Hospital

Too Much or Too Little flow:

Steal Syndrome and the Giant Fistula

Advanced Course in Vascular Access 2019

Convenor: Professor Kittipan Rerkasem

2 – 3 May 2019, Chiang Mai, Thailand

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The Native Fistula

• A PATHOLOGY, a disease!

• A disease useful for Hemodialysis

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AVF of Interest to 3 Parties

• The DIALYSIS PUMP:

Adequate Dialysis / RRT

• The FISTULA LIMB:

Adequate Perfusion

• The HEART:

Adequate Cardiac Function

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AVF Acted on by 2 Forces

• Fistula Stenosis:

Driven by the body’s healing response

• Fistula Growth:

Driven by the inflow artery

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Common Clinical Assumption

“Once a fistula becomes big enough for

adequate dialysis, all is well”

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Not True!

• It may be too big !

• It may become too big !

• It may stenose and become too small !

• It may deprive the hand of adequate perfusion

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Fistula Surveillance

• The Pathology that is the native AVF is unstable, and changes over time.

• Surveillance & possible revision is essential throughout the patient’s life to maintain good & uncomplicated function.

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Role of the Access Specialist

Ensure that all fistulas are:

• Big enough for adequate hemodialysis

• Not too big and a burden to the heart

• The donor limb is adequately perfused

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Qa: Fistula Flow

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Fistula Flows

• Blood Flow Required by AVF: > 500mls/min

• Blood Flow Needed by forearm: > 200mls/min

therefore

• Blood Flow in Brachial artery: > 700mls/min

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Measuring Qa

• On dialysis: eg Transonic

• With Ultrasound

• During angiography

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Fistula Flows

Qa < 500ml/min - Too Small

Qa > 2000ml/min - Too Big

Qa 500 – 2000ml/min - Just Right!

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• A common problem

• Poorly understood:

“The proximal fistula long a mystery to me!!”

• Better understanding from:

Fistulography, endovascular treatment,

Fistula duplex ultrasound & IVUS

Pressure & flow studies during intervention

THE GIANT FISTULA

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NOTA BENE !

Giant Fistula ≠ Fistula vein aneurysm

THE GIANT FISTULA

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VENOUS ANEURYSM/S

Venous aneurysm 32 mm

Feeding Radial artery 5 mm

Fistula flow Qa: 900 mls/min

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THE GIANT FISTULA

Fistula vein 28 mm

Inflow brachial artery 11 mm

Fistula flow Qa: 3,500 mls/min

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• Most AVF grow throughout their life

• The entire circuit, from L ventricle to R atrium

• Growth is artery driven

• Fistulas do not stop growing just because they have become adequate for dialysis !!!!

PATHOPHYSIOLOGY

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GIANT FISTULA

Large fistula vein

Large inflow artery 9mm

Normal outflow artery 5mm

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• Functional AVF: RC radial artery 3-5 mm

BC brachial artery 4-7mm

• Functional AVF: RC flow Qa : 500mls/min

BC flow Qa : 1000mls/min

• Giant AVF: Brachial artery ♂ > 8mm ♀ > 7mm

BC flow > 1500mls/min

DEFINITIONS

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• Proximal fistulas (Brachiocephalic)

• Male sex

• Large patient / Large donor artery

• Large anastomosis (>5mm)

• Genetic factors

ETIOLOGY

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• Asymptomatic

• Covert high-output cardiac failure

• Overt high-output cardiac failure

PRESENTATION

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• Hypertensive fistula

• “Outflow” Problem:

High Venous Return Pressures

Prolonged Venous Bleeding

PRESENTATION

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BRACHIAL ARTERY 1.82 CM

GIANT FISTULA

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• Synthetic “choke” to swing vein

• Sacrifice fistula

• Giant Fistula must be treated:

BEFORE it becomes a problem!

TREATMENT

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GIANT FISTULA: INFLOW CHOKE

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE: PRINCIPLE

• Synthetic patch stitched around swing vein

• Close to anastomosis without mobilisation

• Patch stitched over endovascular balloon

• Balloon size 3 – 5 mm pending indications

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE: TECHNICAL

• Straighten swing vein to avoid kinks

• Use long balloon (60-80mm): Melon seeding

• Anchor patch to vein proximally & distally

• Rifampicin soaking & systemic Vancomycin

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE

BC anastomosis

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE

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“CHOKE” PROCEDURE

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CHOKE

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DUPLEX U/S FOLLOW UP

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DUPLEX U/S FOLLOW UP

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DUPLEX U/S FOLLOW UP

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COMPLICATIONS

• Not tight enough

• Too tight

• Occluded fistula

• Thrombo-embolism from poor flow

• (Infection)

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CHOKE TOO TIGHT

Large RC AVF, anginaChoke too tight, 0,9mmInadequate dialysis

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CHOKE TOO TIGHT

Angioplasty on 014” system with 3 x20 coronary balloon

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CHOKE TOO TIGHT

Final run; choke lumen 2,8 mm

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• Mrs PL, 74 yrs old

• BC AVF Queensland 2000, now in Sydney

• Qb: 300, -100, +160

• Duplex ultrasound assessment:

Flow 2387 mls/min

Brachial artery 8.8mm

Anastomosis 7.7mm

Elective Choke Procedure

GIANT AVF: CASE 1

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GIANT AVF: CASE 1

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CHOKE DOWN

TO 4mmm

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POST-OP VISIT

• No more SOB !

• I can do the shopping again!

• So much more energy !

• Sleep better at nite !

• Qb: 300, -100, +120

GIANT AVF: CASE 1

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+ 0.30cm

GIANT AVF: CASE 1

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GIANT AVF: CASE 1

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Giant fistula ligated at St Elsewhere

Brachial artery 14 mm with laminated thrombus

GIANT AVF: CASE 2

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Brachial artery 14 mm

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Excision & LSV bypassof brachial artery

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• Generally MISUNDERSTOOD

• A lot of Access done by NON – Vascular Surgeons

Take Home Message:

“ Steal is an INFLOW problem ie Brachial a problem”

Steal Syndrome

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Subclavian Steal Syndrome

Arm at Rest

Brain: Low Resistance

Arm:High Resistance

Very Limited Flow thru SCA Stenosis

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Subclavian Steal Syndrome

Arm:Very Low Resistance

Brain: Low Resistance

Arm Exercising

Very Limited Flow thru SCA Stenosis

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• Present in most fistulas

• Arm “claudication” – common

• Critical ischemia - uncommon with native AVF

• Seen mainly in diabetics

• ?Commoner with proximal anastomoses

Steal Syndrome in AVF

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• Less common in the native fistula

• Native fistula growth gradual, allowing for collateralisation, inflow artery growth.

• AVG is sudden diversion of blood supply –

Steal more common

Steal Syndrome in AVF

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Patho-Physiology

At rest: Brachial arteryblood flow 100-200 mls/min

Exercise: Brachial arteryblood flow 1000 mls/min

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A - Brachial artery inflow

B - Fistula flow (LOW resistance)

C - Forearm / hand (HIGH resistance)

BRACHIO-CEPHALIC FISTULANORMAL

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NORMAL

BRACHIO-CEPHALIC FISTULA

Increase in size / flow

inflow brachial artery ++++

Increased flow in

fistula vein +++

Small / modest decrease

in forearm flow +

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NO significant increase in

size/flow brachial a due to disease

Increased flow in

fistula vein +++

Severe decrease

in forearm flow +++

CLINICAL STEAL SYNDROME

DUE TO

FAILURE OF BRACHIAL A GROWTH

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Physiology of Steal

1. Blood flow to BC fistula

(Minimum 500ml/min)

2. Blood flow hand/forearm

(Minimum 200ml/min)

3. Blood flow R upper limb

(Minimum 700ml/min)

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1

2

3

1. 1600mls/min

Normal BC AVF 2. 1400mls/min

3. 200mls/min

1. 1100mls/min

BC AVF & STEAL 2. 1080mls/min

3. 20mls/min

Diseased runoff vessels

with high resistance

Diseased bra a +++

limiting inflow

1

2

3

Physiology of Steal

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Severely diseased, calcified brachial artery

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Algorithm

• Diagnosis (Accurate diagnosis!!)

• Is steal limb threatening?

• NO: Conservative Management

• YES: Duplex scan & Volume flow Brachial a

(Not fistulography!)

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Diagnosis

• All patients have a “steal”

• Diagnosis of clinically significant steal

• Steal largely a problem of Diabetics

• Accurate dx on Clinical Grounds DIFFICULT !

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Diagnosis

Ischemic rest pain vs other symptoms

• Diabetic Neuropathy

• Carpal Tunnel syndrome

• “Median Nerve Neuropathy”

• Other neuropathy: cervical

• Peripheral Nerve damage

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• History

• Physical Examination: Berger’s sign

• Finger Plethysmography

• Nerve conduction studies

DIAGNOSIS

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BERGER’S SIGN

HANDS UP

R HAND WHITE

BERGER’S SIGN

HANDS DOWN

R HAND RED

ISCHEMIA

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Severe Ischemia: Westmead, Sydney

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Severe Ischemia: SIUT, Karachi, Pakistan

50 year old DMLost his fistula

& His hand!

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Finger Plethysmography

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Finger Plethysmograpy

• Absolute Pressures, not ratios to the Brachial a

• Both hands

Pressures < 30mm Hg

Pressures >> lower Fistula hand

• Significant Steal Pressures lower on Radial side

Flattened wave forms

Unrecordable pressure / wave

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Nerve Conduction Study

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Two scenarios:

• “High Flow Steal” (Qa > 1000mls/min)

“Choke” procedure

• “Low Flow Steal” (Qa < 800mls/ min)

Ligate fistula

Other? (Low life expectancy!)

STEAL: Treatment

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Flow in fistula vein

limited by choke (3mm)

Small increase

in forearm flow eliminating

critical ischemia

TREATMENT OF CLINICAL STEAL

WITH INFLOW CHOKE

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“High Flow Steal” : CHOKE

1. 1200mls/min

BC AVF & STEAL 2. 1180mls/min

3. 20mls/min

1. 1200mls/min

BC AVF & CHOKE 2. 600mls/min

3. 600mls/min

11

2 2

33

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CHOKE FOR STEAL

• Choke needs to be tight: 3mm balloon

• Risk of occlusion / inadequate dialysis

• Creating new fistula high risk ischemia

• Patients with limited life: Vascath

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TREATMENT OF STEAL: ANGIOPLASTY

LOCALISED INFLOW STENOSIS

Angioplasty +/- stent

OUTFLOW STENOSIS

Angioplasty +/- stent

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“Low Flow Steal” : LIGATE FISTULA

1. 400mls/min

BC AVF & STEAL 2. 300mls/min Inadequate inflow to upper limb

3. 100mls/min

1

2

3

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PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

46 “CHOKE” Procedures

30 Giant Fistula 16 Critical Ischemia

26/30 Fistula Saved 9/16 Fistula Saved

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PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

16 Critical Ischemia

4 Ligated 2 Brach a Angioplasty 10 Choked

2/2 Saved 7/10 Fistula Saved

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Conclusions

• Steal is a problem of the inflow Brachial a

• Almost always in the Diabetic

• Accurate diagnosis CRITICAL

• Finger Plethysmography essential

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Conclusions

• High Flow steal treated with Choke

• Accurate Choke a difficult operation!

• Low Flow steal treated with Ligation

OR

• ? Improving INFLOW to upper limb

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Dr Ruth Carter, GP

Aboriginal Health

Tennant Creek

Sydney

Tennent Creek

3,600 km

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Sally Swinnen

English, Bahasa Indonesia

Official Bahasa Translator

Australian National University

2018 Strategic Studies Tour

Kalimantan, Indonesia

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Tui Swinnen

English, Spanish

Emergency Nutrition Network,

Project Manager,

Niamey, Niger, Africa

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Lucy Swinnen

Turkish, Arabic

Journalist,

Currently in London