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From: Bonney Forbes To: Sanfacon, Garry Subject: end target shooting on Sugar Loaf Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:15:46 PM Dear Gary, I plead to end target shooting on Sugar Loaf- I have lived on the mountain for 30 + years- I have experienced both major fires & the '89 fire was a cigarette or a joint - I have had a fire on my land last year 7/24 from a lightning - The risks are so high for fire - can't we eliminate one major cause- Sadly we lost a life long friend Chris Shilling - age 19 at the Left Hand massacre by Michael Bell who had escaped from prison & was carrying a gun- Chris a young man with his whole life taken from him & his grieving family- There were more deaths & a young man injured for life- Guns do not belong in the mountains where we call home & walk our dogs with our children - we want to prevent more innocent children from being killed -Please oh please . . . . . . Bonney & Bill Forbes @ 1188 Weaver Drive on Sugar Loaf

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From Bonney ForbesTo Sanfacon GarrySubject end target shooting on Sugar LoafDate Wednesday April 24 2013 121546 PM

Dear GaryI plead to end target shooting on Sugar Loaf-I have lived on the mountain for 30 + years-I have experienced both major fires amp the 89 fire was a cigarette or a joint -I have had a fire on my land last year 724 from a lightning -The risks are so high for fire - cant we eliminate one major cause-

Sadly we lost a life long friend Chris Shilling - age 19 at the Left Hand massacre byMichael Bell who had escaped from prison amp was carrying a gun-Chris a young man with his whole life taken from him amp his grieving family-There were more deaths amp a young man injured for life-Guns do not belong in the mountains where we call home amp walk our dogs with ourchildren - we want to prevent more innocent children from being killed -Please ohplease

Bonney amp Bill Forbes 1188 Weaver Drive on Sugar Loaf

From METEPECaolcomTo Sanfacon GarrySubject A different perspective on NederlandDate Wednesday June 12 2013 114055 AM

From METEPECaolcomTo bhzthemountainearcomSent 632013 83941 AM Mountain Daylight TimeSubj A different perspective on Nederland Revised A different perspective on Nederland I whole heartedly support The Hornings right to build the facilities to host 12 weddings ayear on Their property on Magnolia The 315000 Chinese Communists in Flat landBoulder County Have a death grip on us 30000 Tribal Mountain Folks that reside above7000 and we will NEVER have an elected County official that supports us Excuse mebut our properties are not their National Parklands as they see it No Trespassing BoulderThe call in the Mountain Ear to bring out the National Guard to stop these folks right touse and enjoy their property as they see fit is their constitutional right and will not effectmy life in any negative way Unfortunately our BOT is a carbon copy of the Boulder County Land Use Propagandamachine hence a sustainable life style will remain almost impossible to archive beyondthe bedroom community of Boulder they envision Nederland needs to get out of ourcurrent funk as our property values have dramatically crashed by witness of our latest TaxAssessments for 2014

Nederland remains the only Ski town that thinks Eldora is up I-70

I also recommend a concessionaire be given a 99 year lease on a large parcel of USFSland in either Ruby Gulch or Gordon Gulch for establishing a shooting range with properinfrastructure for this type of activity instead of the renegade shooting areas in our mostrecent past Jobs would also be created here and the Rainbow Clan and their legacy ofhorrors will finally be supplantedMike Shaw

303-258-0544

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part A PHOTOSDate Friday June 21 2013 120420 PM

Folks noise from shooting and the potential for more fire damage in theJamestown area is amajor concern Abuse of public land without regard for danger to residents is aheated topic Please find Part ABand C enclosed in three emails Part A is a groupof photographs Part B is a documentissued by BoCo that limits the decibel output of certain drilling machinery during lastfalls mining project conducted by Gold Hill Minerals vs the decibel output offirearms In Jamestown we heardno sound 18 mile away from the drilling site yet we can hear 247 gunfire from adistanceof 25 miles Wheres the consistency in regulation Part C is a proposal to constructand cheaply manage a firing range at Carnage Canyon Please consider all threeparts I would love to attend an open forum where the residents can speak up ratherthan just listen as you and the USFS politely exchange power point presentationsand rebuttal Please feel free to use any of this as you see fit Thanks much Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

scotthazlittcorpcom

scotthgoldhillmineralscom

970-214-8164

From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

peapoddmindspringcom

EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From METEPECaolcomTo Sanfacon GarrySubject A different perspective on NederlandDate Wednesday June 12 2013 114055 AM

From METEPECaolcomTo bhzthemountainearcomSent 632013 83941 AM Mountain Daylight TimeSubj A different perspective on Nederland Revised A different perspective on Nederland I whole heartedly support The Hornings right to build the facilities to host 12 weddings ayear on Their property on Magnolia The 315000 Chinese Communists in Flat landBoulder County Have a death grip on us 30000 Tribal Mountain Folks that reside above7000 and we will NEVER have an elected County official that supports us Excuse mebut our properties are not their National Parklands as they see it No Trespassing BoulderThe call in the Mountain Ear to bring out the National Guard to stop these folks right touse and enjoy their property as they see fit is their constitutional right and will not effectmy life in any negative way Unfortunately our BOT is a carbon copy of the Boulder County Land Use Propagandamachine hence a sustainable life style will remain almost impossible to archive beyondthe bedroom community of Boulder they envision Nederland needs to get out of ourcurrent funk as our property values have dramatically crashed by witness of our latest TaxAssessments for 2014

Nederland remains the only Ski town that thinks Eldora is up I-70

I also recommend a concessionaire be given a 99 year lease on a large parcel of USFSland in either Ruby Gulch or Gordon Gulch for establishing a shooting range with properinfrastructure for this type of activity instead of the renegade shooting areas in our mostrecent past Jobs would also be created here and the Rainbow Clan and their legacy ofhorrors will finally be supplantedMike Shaw

303-258-0544

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part A PHOTOSDate Friday June 21 2013 120420 PM

Folks noise from shooting and the potential for more fire damage in theJamestown area is amajor concern Abuse of public land without regard for danger to residents is aheated topic Please find Part ABand C enclosed in three emails Part A is a groupof photographs Part B is a documentissued by BoCo that limits the decibel output of certain drilling machinery during lastfalls mining project conducted by Gold Hill Minerals vs the decibel output offirearms In Jamestown we heardno sound 18 mile away from the drilling site yet we can hear 247 gunfire from adistanceof 25 miles Wheres the consistency in regulation Part C is a proposal to constructand cheaply manage a firing range at Carnage Canyon Please consider all threeparts I would love to attend an open forum where the residents can speak up ratherthan just listen as you and the USFS politely exchange power point presentationsand rebuttal Please feel free to use any of this as you see fit Thanks much Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

scotthazlittcorpcom

scotthgoldhillmineralscom

970-214-8164

From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

peapoddmindspringcom

EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part A PHOTOSDate Friday June 21 2013 120420 PM

Folks noise from shooting and the potential for more fire damage in theJamestown area is amajor concern Abuse of public land without regard for danger to residents is aheated topic Please find Part ABand C enclosed in three emails Part A is a groupof photographs Part B is a documentissued by BoCo that limits the decibel output of certain drilling machinery during lastfalls mining project conducted by Gold Hill Minerals vs the decibel output offirearms In Jamestown we heardno sound 18 mile away from the drilling site yet we can hear 247 gunfire from adistanceof 25 miles Wheres the consistency in regulation Part C is a proposal to constructand cheaply manage a firing range at Carnage Canyon Please consider all threeparts I would love to attend an open forum where the residents can speak up ratherthan just listen as you and the USFS politely exchange power point presentationsand rebuttal Please feel free to use any of this as you see fit Thanks much Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

scotthazlittcorpcom

scotthgoldhillmineralscom

970-214-8164

From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

peapoddmindspringcom

EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

scotthazlittcorpcom

scotthgoldhillmineralscom

970-214-8164

From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

peapoddmindspringcom

EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

scotthazlittcorpcom

scotthgoldhillmineralscom

970-214-8164

From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

peapoddmindspringcom

EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

Lawrence HittlepeapoddmindspringcomEarthLink Revolves Around You

----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

scotthazlittcorpcom

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From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject HITTLE PROPOSAL Part B DECIBEL OUTPUTDate Friday June 21 2013 122052 PM

Hi folks this is PART B decibel regulations vs firearm output Click on attachmentfor BoCo regs and compare to this chart Please remember the table below is for asingle firearm sometimes the hills above Jamestown have many shooters all daylong

How much noise does it makes

Here is a table of loudness

db Environmental noise0 Threshold of hearing10 Normal breathing20 Rusting leaves30 Whisper at 30 feet40 Quiet street50 Interior home noise60 Conversation70 Crowded restaurant75 Kitchen appliances80 City traffic85 Hearing damage possible90 Lawn mower100 Chain shaw120 Threshold of pain120 Siren134 22 LR rifle140 Jet engine at take-off150 410 shotgun152 22 LR pistol153 20 gauge shotgun155 223 rifle155 25 pistol156 12 gauge shotgun156 30-30 rifle156 308 rifle156 44 Special revolver157 22 Magnum pistol

157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

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----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

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From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

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157 45 ACP pistol158 380 ACP pistol158 38 Special revolver159 30-06160 9mm Para pistol163 41 Magnum revolver164 357 Magnum revolver164 44 Magnum revolver

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----- Original Message -----From Scott HazlittTo peapoddmindspringcomSent 11192012 91922 AMSubject RE allowed decible range

Larry

I have attached the Countys noise levels for the Gold Hill Conditional Use Permit I hopeyou can make some progress with the FS or County

Scott Hazlitt MS CPG RG

Gold Hill Minerals

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970-214-8164

From Lawrence Hittle [mailtopeapoddmindspringcom] Sent Sunday November 18 2012 540 PMTo Scott HazlittSubject allowed decible range

Hey Hazardous

We had another flock of loud shooters descend on Jimtown this weekend When weasked them to go down the hill to shoot at the established range some of themcooperated but two groups from out of state did not stating that the old range was just

too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

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EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

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too crowded The cops and USFS do not want to get involved in the politics of thematter so I guess it is up to us locals to draw some additional attention to a worseningsituation

When you were filing for permission to start the drilling program I believe you wereprovided with Boulder County regulations governing the decibel output of the drillingequipment If I remember what you told me it was somewhere in the 80-90 Db range Doyou have a copy of that portion of the regulations that you could email or send to meThe reason I ask is that the folks who are firing high power ammo up here are dischargingnuisance noise in the high Db range They fire from sun up to sun down as fast as theycan change clips This rate of fire is as constant as is it can be for a semi-automaticweapon and can be considered non-stop within the parameters of the weapons design

I would like to present the Boulder County Commissioners with a copy of theirregulations limiting the decibel discharge permitted for the drill rig and compare it to achart that displays the Db discharge of the weapons being used in our neighborhood

Two of the three commissioners were very favorably on the side of the Boulder Countycitizens the last time I put a proposal before them They have closed certain areas toshooting in Boulder County in the past Perhaps this new information will give themincentive to back our situation and confine the shooters to the area they were previouslyassigned

Thanks

Hittle

Lawrence Hittle

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EarthLink Revolves Around You

From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

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From Lawrence HittleTo Boulder County Board of CommissionersSubject Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily CameraDate Friday June 21 2013 122712 PMAttachments Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in Boulder County - Boulder Daily Camerahtm

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Weekend fires spark concerns over Lefthand shooting area in BoulderCountyBy Alicia Wallace Camera Staff Writer Boulder Daily CameraPosted DailyCameracom

Two human-caused wildfires in Lefthand Canyon over the weekend and the dry fire-prone weather havereignited concerns among some area residents about the dangers of increased shooting andfour-wheeling in the canyons off-road recreational area

The small fires on Saturday -- a 100-square-foot grass fire at the 35-mile marker of Lefthand Canyon anda quarter-acre blaze just west of Jamestown -- were in designated shooting areas in the LefthandOff-Highway Vehicle area said Cmdr Rick Brough of the Boulder County Sheriffs Office Both fires werequickly extinguished he said

Elsha Kirby a US Forest Service spokeswoman said the fires were human-caused but the exact causecould not be determined

The weekends blazes combined with one earlier this month and a couple last year in the area furtherunsettled Mike Matzuk a Castle Gulch resident Matzuk was among a group of neighbors in discussionswith Forest Service officials last year about enforcement related to the contentious Lefthand OHV

When fires become the norm in a particular area of the forest something is terribly wrong he said

Matzuk said he is in favor of shared access to public lands but he thinks the concentration of peopleusing that area combined with the wildfire danger are too high

Its just potentially a deadly combination he said It certainly is a scary combination for residents (in thecanyon)

Last summer the Forest Service began a review of its management of the Lefthand Canyon area and thesuggestions outlined in a 2006 management plan related to the Lefthand OHV Some of the potentialactions in that plan included charging a fee at the area and dusk-to-dawn closures

In August Forest Service officials said a state law hindered some of the agencys abilities to implementthe goals of the plan and that officials now have greater flexibility

The Forest Services review is scheduled to be completed in early April and presented to the BoulderCounty commissioners in April or May Kirby said

Since the findings are not yet complete it is premature to outline what the next steps will be she said

Forest Service officials have heard that residents are concerned about the recreational shooting andvehicle activity in the canyon

We understand that there currently is a greater concentration (of Lefthand OHV uses) at low elevationsearly in the season lower elevations are where multitudes of visitors want to go since the snow is meltedand the ground is dry for the most part she said With the higher concentration in these limited areas

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there is increased risk for something going awry

The Forest Service is aware of the concerns and are communicating with the county as they consider afire ban

Grant Von Letkemann president of the Boulder Rifle Club said last year that sparks from bullets are not anormal occurrence when shooters are using legal rounds Tracer bullets and incendiary ammunition arebanned at the Lefthand OHV

On Monday Von Letkemann declined to comment further about the area but did address the ForestServices management planning of that area saying it appears to be more symbolism than substance

Having met with the prior ranger several times and always being told why they cant build a safe shootingarea I have little confidence they will accomplish anything despite their agreements with Division ofWildlife and others to pursue the building of a range he said in an email

Area resident Rich Lirtzman who was among a half-dozen residents in contact with the Camera onMonday said he hopes that some kind of regulation comes soon

There are wildfire risks when you live in a forest however this is a wildfire risk that is manmade saidLirtzman who has lived in the Lefthand Canyon area since 1982 Its intense and located in one particularspot If we can do something to minimize that risk why wouldnt we

Lirtzman said that ideally the area would be closed to recreational shooting and off-highway vehiclesHowever he added he would be in support of increased enforcement or regulation

Contact Camera Staff Writer Alicia Wallace at 303-473-1332 or wallaceadailycameracom

From METEPECaolcomTo Hullinghorst BobCc Sanfacon GarrySubject shooting areasDate Monday August 05 2013 81741 AM

Morning Bob and Gary Thanks for your help in the pastI could not make it to the meeting either but I have shared this with Gary and so this is a reminder What I want is most of your list Bob but your guide lines are out dated and short sided I want say 40++ acres leased like a ski area and operated professionally by a licensed proprietor withgood safe access and a distance from any road homes parking restrooms snack bar gun and gunrepair shop business hours Safety classes Enclosed shooting range Sport shooting range Hours forthe police to practice Trash and continued cleanup and recycling of brass etc Right in Ruby orGordon gulch so the Rainbozoz leave and creates 10 jobs This is what the government needs to do and support safety and jobs and tax revenue Sustainabledesign for continued use in this 21st century It aint the old west anymore It is not too much to askthe second amendment folks to behave in a responsible and sustainable manner and pay for theprivilege like the skiers doUnfortunately the second amendment isnt going away either and so it isyour responsibility to support this concept Again this is the 21st century and this activity needs control Thanks again Mike Shaw

303-258-0544

From Mary HughesTo Sanfacon GarrySubject Shooting near Big SpringsDate Tuesday August 06 2013 62704 AM

Dear GarryIm sorry I missed the meeting I live 10 min walking from the shooting site Its been awful through theyears many calls to the police unsavory incidents etcWe are blessed to live in a place so beautiful where there are nearby trails to walk solitude to be hadThe sound of shooting blasts that all away brings all kinds of psychological stress and real dangerThanks for your attention to this Garry I appreciate all that you do

Kindest regardsMary

Subject Sugarloaf concerns Open House From Marilyn Hartig ltmarilynhartigsugarloafnetgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1433 Priority Normal

bull Sugar Loaf Input 7-23-13 Boulder County Open House2docx (27 KB)

Dear Mr Sanfacon I am one of the Sugarloaf residents who attended the July 23rd open house regarding the NFRRSSM Partnership I am sorry that I did not manage priorities better and speak with you before my ride was ready to leave I have attached here a document that reflects the concerns of the Sugarloaf group listed at the end of the document This document was also left with the comment form provided near the sign-in sheet after the meeting Everyone in this group is glad to have the attention that is now being given to target shooting in the Front Range and we thank you for taking on the job as manager of this process for the Partnership Obviously our main objective is different than that of the Partnership we would like to see the current firearms discharge ban on Sugarloaf extended into some additional neighborhoods and their nearby lands I hope our comments on that position did not mask the fact that we wholeheartedly support the option to create more firing ranges in safe and accessible places Unfortunately our mountain seems to be accessible to quite a number of target shooters but much of it is certainly not safe I fully understand that the locations identified in the first screen for potential firing range sites will be scrutinized further for features not included in the initial criteria In that regard I want to raise a concern my reading of the map of Boulder County at Tuesdays meeting leads me to believe that sections of the Switzerland Trail very near to the Swiss Peaks development at the top of Sugarloaf are currently indicated as possible sites This is a major concern for many Sugarloaf residents not just because of the proximity to Swiss Peaks but because we and many others from off the mountain use the Switzerland Trail for recreation Though we understand there is a dearth of appropriate shooting ranges in the Front Range we are baffled by the extreme hesitancy of the Partnership members to enact geographically limited bans for areas near residences and popular recreational sites We believe this is courting disaster and that over time the price will be paid by a few unlucky individuals Without a ban even the Sheriffs office cannot do much besides try to talk shooters into moving elsewhere and using safer practices (when officers see the shooters which is seldom due to manpower constraints) It is quite surprising to witness this hesitancy when 975 of the Boulder Ranger District is open to target shooting Surely there are some better places in all that area So we wish the best for your mapping effort and we strongly support the objective of the Partnership Nonetheless we will continue to advocate for a limited firearms ban in key locations which we think pose great danger Our group of Sugarloaf residents will continue to track the Partnership findings and we are willing to provide any comment and help that we can If reasonable locations for new ranges

can be found I think many or all of us could be counted on for help in advocating for the resources to create the ranges Please dont hesitate to call if I can clarify or expand upon anything stated above and please let me know if my understanding of the preliminary criteria map is incorrect My very best wishes for a productive Partnership Marilyn Marilyn Hartig 76 S Peak Trl Boulder CO 80302 To Northern Front Range Recreational Sport Management Partnership From Concerned Sugar Loaf residents Subject Confirmation of the Input provided at the July 23 2013 Boulder County Open House meeting The following summarizes the input of the group of concerned Sugar Loaf residents as discussed with the Partnership (ldquoStakeholdersrdquo) at the July 23 2013 Open House Background There are four informal (unauthorized) recreational shooting areas in the Sugar Loaf that are at issue They include 1) Swiss Peaks 2) Kelly Road 3) Old Town Site Road and 4) Peewink Mountain Concerns The Sugar Loaf resident concerns outlined below are in some cases synergistic with the Partnershiprsquos preliminary criteria and in other cases are additional considerations Our priority concerns relate to public safety

bull Public safety Personal Injury or Death The discharge of firearms in densely populated areas or areas of high recreational use poses a significant risk to residents and their pets and to visitors who are likely to be unaware of the risk and therefore less watchful It is also a liability issue for the Stakeholders

bull Public Safety Wildfire Cause Discharge of firearms is a demonstrated ignition source for wildfire as reported by the USFS It is also a liability and budget issue for the Stakeholders

bull Environmental Damage Environmental damage caused by target shooting includes damage to trees camp fires litter (garbage shell casings targeted objects etc) noise toxic ldquoclay pigeonsrdquo etc)

bull Alcohol Use by Recreational Shooters There are reports of shooters (relatively routinely) using alcohol while engaging in recreational shooting and therefore increasing the risk of an accident On Sugarloaf Mountain this group often includes college students some of whom are under age

bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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there is increased risk for something going awry

The Forest Service is aware of the concerns and are communicating with the county as they consider afire ban

Grant Von Letkemann president of the Boulder Rifle Club said last year that sparks from bullets are not anormal occurrence when shooters are using legal rounds Tracer bullets and incendiary ammunition arebanned at the Lefthand OHV

On Monday Von Letkemann declined to comment further about the area but did address the ForestServices management planning of that area saying it appears to be more symbolism than substance

Having met with the prior ranger several times and always being told why they cant build a safe shootingarea I have little confidence they will accomplish anything despite their agreements with Division ofWildlife and others to pursue the building of a range he said in an email

Area resident Rich Lirtzman who was among a half-dozen residents in contact with the Camera onMonday said he hopes that some kind of regulation comes soon

There are wildfire risks when you live in a forest however this is a wildfire risk that is manmade saidLirtzman who has lived in the Lefthand Canyon area since 1982 Its intense and located in one particularspot If we can do something to minimize that risk why wouldnt we

Lirtzman said that ideally the area would be closed to recreational shooting and off-highway vehiclesHowever he added he would be in support of increased enforcement or regulation

Contact Camera Staff Writer Alicia Wallace at 303-473-1332 or wallaceadailycameracom

From METEPECaolcomTo Hullinghorst BobCc Sanfacon GarrySubject shooting areasDate Monday August 05 2013 81741 AM

Morning Bob and Gary Thanks for your help in the pastI could not make it to the meeting either but I have shared this with Gary and so this is a reminder What I want is most of your list Bob but your guide lines are out dated and short sided I want say 40++ acres leased like a ski area and operated professionally by a licensed proprietor withgood safe access and a distance from any road homes parking restrooms snack bar gun and gunrepair shop business hours Safety classes Enclosed shooting range Sport shooting range Hours forthe police to practice Trash and continued cleanup and recycling of brass etc Right in Ruby orGordon gulch so the Rainbozoz leave and creates 10 jobs This is what the government needs to do and support safety and jobs and tax revenue Sustainabledesign for continued use in this 21st century It aint the old west anymore It is not too much to askthe second amendment folks to behave in a responsible and sustainable manner and pay for theprivilege like the skiers doUnfortunately the second amendment isnt going away either and so it isyour responsibility to support this concept Again this is the 21st century and this activity needs control Thanks again Mike Shaw

303-258-0544

From Mary HughesTo Sanfacon GarrySubject Shooting near Big SpringsDate Tuesday August 06 2013 62704 AM

Dear GarryIm sorry I missed the meeting I live 10 min walking from the shooting site Its been awful through theyears many calls to the police unsavory incidents etcWe are blessed to live in a place so beautiful where there are nearby trails to walk solitude to be hadThe sound of shooting blasts that all away brings all kinds of psychological stress and real dangerThanks for your attention to this Garry I appreciate all that you do

Kindest regardsMary

Subject Sugarloaf concerns Open House From Marilyn Hartig ltmarilynhartigsugarloafnetgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1433 Priority Normal

bull Sugar Loaf Input 7-23-13 Boulder County Open House2docx (27 KB)

Dear Mr Sanfacon I am one of the Sugarloaf residents who attended the July 23rd open house regarding the NFRRSSM Partnership I am sorry that I did not manage priorities better and speak with you before my ride was ready to leave I have attached here a document that reflects the concerns of the Sugarloaf group listed at the end of the document This document was also left with the comment form provided near the sign-in sheet after the meeting Everyone in this group is glad to have the attention that is now being given to target shooting in the Front Range and we thank you for taking on the job as manager of this process for the Partnership Obviously our main objective is different than that of the Partnership we would like to see the current firearms discharge ban on Sugarloaf extended into some additional neighborhoods and their nearby lands I hope our comments on that position did not mask the fact that we wholeheartedly support the option to create more firing ranges in safe and accessible places Unfortunately our mountain seems to be accessible to quite a number of target shooters but much of it is certainly not safe I fully understand that the locations identified in the first screen for potential firing range sites will be scrutinized further for features not included in the initial criteria In that regard I want to raise a concern my reading of the map of Boulder County at Tuesdays meeting leads me to believe that sections of the Switzerland Trail very near to the Swiss Peaks development at the top of Sugarloaf are currently indicated as possible sites This is a major concern for many Sugarloaf residents not just because of the proximity to Swiss Peaks but because we and many others from off the mountain use the Switzerland Trail for recreation Though we understand there is a dearth of appropriate shooting ranges in the Front Range we are baffled by the extreme hesitancy of the Partnership members to enact geographically limited bans for areas near residences and popular recreational sites We believe this is courting disaster and that over time the price will be paid by a few unlucky individuals Without a ban even the Sheriffs office cannot do much besides try to talk shooters into moving elsewhere and using safer practices (when officers see the shooters which is seldom due to manpower constraints) It is quite surprising to witness this hesitancy when 975 of the Boulder Ranger District is open to target shooting Surely there are some better places in all that area So we wish the best for your mapping effort and we strongly support the objective of the Partnership Nonetheless we will continue to advocate for a limited firearms ban in key locations which we think pose great danger Our group of Sugarloaf residents will continue to track the Partnership findings and we are willing to provide any comment and help that we can If reasonable locations for new ranges

can be found I think many or all of us could be counted on for help in advocating for the resources to create the ranges Please dont hesitate to call if I can clarify or expand upon anything stated above and please let me know if my understanding of the preliminary criteria map is incorrect My very best wishes for a productive Partnership Marilyn Marilyn Hartig 76 S Peak Trl Boulder CO 80302 To Northern Front Range Recreational Sport Management Partnership From Concerned Sugar Loaf residents Subject Confirmation of the Input provided at the July 23 2013 Boulder County Open House meeting The following summarizes the input of the group of concerned Sugar Loaf residents as discussed with the Partnership (ldquoStakeholdersrdquo) at the July 23 2013 Open House Background There are four informal (unauthorized) recreational shooting areas in the Sugar Loaf that are at issue They include 1) Swiss Peaks 2) Kelly Road 3) Old Town Site Road and 4) Peewink Mountain Concerns The Sugar Loaf resident concerns outlined below are in some cases synergistic with the Partnershiprsquos preliminary criteria and in other cases are additional considerations Our priority concerns relate to public safety

bull Public safety Personal Injury or Death The discharge of firearms in densely populated areas or areas of high recreational use poses a significant risk to residents and their pets and to visitors who are likely to be unaware of the risk and therefore less watchful It is also a liability issue for the Stakeholders

bull Public Safety Wildfire Cause Discharge of firearms is a demonstrated ignition source for wildfire as reported by the USFS It is also a liability and budget issue for the Stakeholders

bull Environmental Damage Environmental damage caused by target shooting includes damage to trees camp fires litter (garbage shell casings targeted objects etc) noise toxic ldquoclay pigeonsrdquo etc)

bull Alcohol Use by Recreational Shooters There are reports of shooters (relatively routinely) using alcohol while engaging in recreational shooting and therefore increasing the risk of an accident On Sugarloaf Mountain this group often includes college students some of whom are under age

bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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From METEPECaolcomTo Hullinghorst BobCc Sanfacon GarrySubject shooting areasDate Monday August 05 2013 81741 AM

Morning Bob and Gary Thanks for your help in the pastI could not make it to the meeting either but I have shared this with Gary and so this is a reminder What I want is most of your list Bob but your guide lines are out dated and short sided I want say 40++ acres leased like a ski area and operated professionally by a licensed proprietor withgood safe access and a distance from any road homes parking restrooms snack bar gun and gunrepair shop business hours Safety classes Enclosed shooting range Sport shooting range Hours forthe police to practice Trash and continued cleanup and recycling of brass etc Right in Ruby orGordon gulch so the Rainbozoz leave and creates 10 jobs This is what the government needs to do and support safety and jobs and tax revenue Sustainabledesign for continued use in this 21st century It aint the old west anymore It is not too much to askthe second amendment folks to behave in a responsible and sustainable manner and pay for theprivilege like the skiers doUnfortunately the second amendment isnt going away either and so it isyour responsibility to support this concept Again this is the 21st century and this activity needs control Thanks again Mike Shaw

303-258-0544

From Mary HughesTo Sanfacon GarrySubject Shooting near Big SpringsDate Tuesday August 06 2013 62704 AM

Dear GarryIm sorry I missed the meeting I live 10 min walking from the shooting site Its been awful through theyears many calls to the police unsavory incidents etcWe are blessed to live in a place so beautiful where there are nearby trails to walk solitude to be hadThe sound of shooting blasts that all away brings all kinds of psychological stress and real dangerThanks for your attention to this Garry I appreciate all that you do

Kindest regardsMary

Subject Sugarloaf concerns Open House From Marilyn Hartig ltmarilynhartigsugarloafnetgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1433 Priority Normal

bull Sugar Loaf Input 7-23-13 Boulder County Open House2docx (27 KB)

Dear Mr Sanfacon I am one of the Sugarloaf residents who attended the July 23rd open house regarding the NFRRSSM Partnership I am sorry that I did not manage priorities better and speak with you before my ride was ready to leave I have attached here a document that reflects the concerns of the Sugarloaf group listed at the end of the document This document was also left with the comment form provided near the sign-in sheet after the meeting Everyone in this group is glad to have the attention that is now being given to target shooting in the Front Range and we thank you for taking on the job as manager of this process for the Partnership Obviously our main objective is different than that of the Partnership we would like to see the current firearms discharge ban on Sugarloaf extended into some additional neighborhoods and their nearby lands I hope our comments on that position did not mask the fact that we wholeheartedly support the option to create more firing ranges in safe and accessible places Unfortunately our mountain seems to be accessible to quite a number of target shooters but much of it is certainly not safe I fully understand that the locations identified in the first screen for potential firing range sites will be scrutinized further for features not included in the initial criteria In that regard I want to raise a concern my reading of the map of Boulder County at Tuesdays meeting leads me to believe that sections of the Switzerland Trail very near to the Swiss Peaks development at the top of Sugarloaf are currently indicated as possible sites This is a major concern for many Sugarloaf residents not just because of the proximity to Swiss Peaks but because we and many others from off the mountain use the Switzerland Trail for recreation Though we understand there is a dearth of appropriate shooting ranges in the Front Range we are baffled by the extreme hesitancy of the Partnership members to enact geographically limited bans for areas near residences and popular recreational sites We believe this is courting disaster and that over time the price will be paid by a few unlucky individuals Without a ban even the Sheriffs office cannot do much besides try to talk shooters into moving elsewhere and using safer practices (when officers see the shooters which is seldom due to manpower constraints) It is quite surprising to witness this hesitancy when 975 of the Boulder Ranger District is open to target shooting Surely there are some better places in all that area So we wish the best for your mapping effort and we strongly support the objective of the Partnership Nonetheless we will continue to advocate for a limited firearms ban in key locations which we think pose great danger Our group of Sugarloaf residents will continue to track the Partnership findings and we are willing to provide any comment and help that we can If reasonable locations for new ranges

can be found I think many or all of us could be counted on for help in advocating for the resources to create the ranges Please dont hesitate to call if I can clarify or expand upon anything stated above and please let me know if my understanding of the preliminary criteria map is incorrect My very best wishes for a productive Partnership Marilyn Marilyn Hartig 76 S Peak Trl Boulder CO 80302 To Northern Front Range Recreational Sport Management Partnership From Concerned Sugar Loaf residents Subject Confirmation of the Input provided at the July 23 2013 Boulder County Open House meeting The following summarizes the input of the group of concerned Sugar Loaf residents as discussed with the Partnership (ldquoStakeholdersrdquo) at the July 23 2013 Open House Background There are four informal (unauthorized) recreational shooting areas in the Sugar Loaf that are at issue They include 1) Swiss Peaks 2) Kelly Road 3) Old Town Site Road and 4) Peewink Mountain Concerns The Sugar Loaf resident concerns outlined below are in some cases synergistic with the Partnershiprsquos preliminary criteria and in other cases are additional considerations Our priority concerns relate to public safety

bull Public safety Personal Injury or Death The discharge of firearms in densely populated areas or areas of high recreational use poses a significant risk to residents and their pets and to visitors who are likely to be unaware of the risk and therefore less watchful It is also a liability issue for the Stakeholders

bull Public Safety Wildfire Cause Discharge of firearms is a demonstrated ignition source for wildfire as reported by the USFS It is also a liability and budget issue for the Stakeholders

bull Environmental Damage Environmental damage caused by target shooting includes damage to trees camp fires litter (garbage shell casings targeted objects etc) noise toxic ldquoclay pigeonsrdquo etc)

bull Alcohol Use by Recreational Shooters There are reports of shooters (relatively routinely) using alcohol while engaging in recreational shooting and therefore increasing the risk of an accident On Sugarloaf Mountain this group often includes college students some of whom are under age

bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt

The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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From Mary HughesTo Sanfacon GarrySubject Shooting near Big SpringsDate Tuesday August 06 2013 62704 AM

Dear GarryIm sorry I missed the meeting I live 10 min walking from the shooting site Its been awful through theyears many calls to the police unsavory incidents etcWe are blessed to live in a place so beautiful where there are nearby trails to walk solitude to be hadThe sound of shooting blasts that all away brings all kinds of psychological stress and real dangerThanks for your attention to this Garry I appreciate all that you do

Kindest regardsMary

Subject Sugarloaf concerns Open House From Marilyn Hartig ltmarilynhartigsugarloafnetgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1433 Priority Normal

bull Sugar Loaf Input 7-23-13 Boulder County Open House2docx (27 KB)

Dear Mr Sanfacon I am one of the Sugarloaf residents who attended the July 23rd open house regarding the NFRRSSM Partnership I am sorry that I did not manage priorities better and speak with you before my ride was ready to leave I have attached here a document that reflects the concerns of the Sugarloaf group listed at the end of the document This document was also left with the comment form provided near the sign-in sheet after the meeting Everyone in this group is glad to have the attention that is now being given to target shooting in the Front Range and we thank you for taking on the job as manager of this process for the Partnership Obviously our main objective is different than that of the Partnership we would like to see the current firearms discharge ban on Sugarloaf extended into some additional neighborhoods and their nearby lands I hope our comments on that position did not mask the fact that we wholeheartedly support the option to create more firing ranges in safe and accessible places Unfortunately our mountain seems to be accessible to quite a number of target shooters but much of it is certainly not safe I fully understand that the locations identified in the first screen for potential firing range sites will be scrutinized further for features not included in the initial criteria In that regard I want to raise a concern my reading of the map of Boulder County at Tuesdays meeting leads me to believe that sections of the Switzerland Trail very near to the Swiss Peaks development at the top of Sugarloaf are currently indicated as possible sites This is a major concern for many Sugarloaf residents not just because of the proximity to Swiss Peaks but because we and many others from off the mountain use the Switzerland Trail for recreation Though we understand there is a dearth of appropriate shooting ranges in the Front Range we are baffled by the extreme hesitancy of the Partnership members to enact geographically limited bans for areas near residences and popular recreational sites We believe this is courting disaster and that over time the price will be paid by a few unlucky individuals Without a ban even the Sheriffs office cannot do much besides try to talk shooters into moving elsewhere and using safer practices (when officers see the shooters which is seldom due to manpower constraints) It is quite surprising to witness this hesitancy when 975 of the Boulder Ranger District is open to target shooting Surely there are some better places in all that area So we wish the best for your mapping effort and we strongly support the objective of the Partnership Nonetheless we will continue to advocate for a limited firearms ban in key locations which we think pose great danger Our group of Sugarloaf residents will continue to track the Partnership findings and we are willing to provide any comment and help that we can If reasonable locations for new ranges

can be found I think many or all of us could be counted on for help in advocating for the resources to create the ranges Please dont hesitate to call if I can clarify or expand upon anything stated above and please let me know if my understanding of the preliminary criteria map is incorrect My very best wishes for a productive Partnership Marilyn Marilyn Hartig 76 S Peak Trl Boulder CO 80302 To Northern Front Range Recreational Sport Management Partnership From Concerned Sugar Loaf residents Subject Confirmation of the Input provided at the July 23 2013 Boulder County Open House meeting The following summarizes the input of the group of concerned Sugar Loaf residents as discussed with the Partnership (ldquoStakeholdersrdquo) at the July 23 2013 Open House Background There are four informal (unauthorized) recreational shooting areas in the Sugar Loaf that are at issue They include 1) Swiss Peaks 2) Kelly Road 3) Old Town Site Road and 4) Peewink Mountain Concerns The Sugar Loaf resident concerns outlined below are in some cases synergistic with the Partnershiprsquos preliminary criteria and in other cases are additional considerations Our priority concerns relate to public safety

bull Public safety Personal Injury or Death The discharge of firearms in densely populated areas or areas of high recreational use poses a significant risk to residents and their pets and to visitors who are likely to be unaware of the risk and therefore less watchful It is also a liability issue for the Stakeholders

bull Public Safety Wildfire Cause Discharge of firearms is a demonstrated ignition source for wildfire as reported by the USFS It is also a liability and budget issue for the Stakeholders

bull Environmental Damage Environmental damage caused by target shooting includes damage to trees camp fires litter (garbage shell casings targeted objects etc) noise toxic ldquoclay pigeonsrdquo etc)

bull Alcohol Use by Recreational Shooters There are reports of shooters (relatively routinely) using alcohol while engaging in recreational shooting and therefore increasing the risk of an accident On Sugarloaf Mountain this group often includes college students some of whom are under age

bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Sugarloaf concerns Open House From Marilyn Hartig ltmarilynhartigsugarloafnetgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1433 Priority Normal

bull Sugar Loaf Input 7-23-13 Boulder County Open House2docx (27 KB)

Dear Mr Sanfacon I am one of the Sugarloaf residents who attended the July 23rd open house regarding the NFRRSSM Partnership I am sorry that I did not manage priorities better and speak with you before my ride was ready to leave I have attached here a document that reflects the concerns of the Sugarloaf group listed at the end of the document This document was also left with the comment form provided near the sign-in sheet after the meeting Everyone in this group is glad to have the attention that is now being given to target shooting in the Front Range and we thank you for taking on the job as manager of this process for the Partnership Obviously our main objective is different than that of the Partnership we would like to see the current firearms discharge ban on Sugarloaf extended into some additional neighborhoods and their nearby lands I hope our comments on that position did not mask the fact that we wholeheartedly support the option to create more firing ranges in safe and accessible places Unfortunately our mountain seems to be accessible to quite a number of target shooters but much of it is certainly not safe I fully understand that the locations identified in the first screen for potential firing range sites will be scrutinized further for features not included in the initial criteria In that regard I want to raise a concern my reading of the map of Boulder County at Tuesdays meeting leads me to believe that sections of the Switzerland Trail very near to the Swiss Peaks development at the top of Sugarloaf are currently indicated as possible sites This is a major concern for many Sugarloaf residents not just because of the proximity to Swiss Peaks but because we and many others from off the mountain use the Switzerland Trail for recreation Though we understand there is a dearth of appropriate shooting ranges in the Front Range we are baffled by the extreme hesitancy of the Partnership members to enact geographically limited bans for areas near residences and popular recreational sites We believe this is courting disaster and that over time the price will be paid by a few unlucky individuals Without a ban even the Sheriffs office cannot do much besides try to talk shooters into moving elsewhere and using safer practices (when officers see the shooters which is seldom due to manpower constraints) It is quite surprising to witness this hesitancy when 975 of the Boulder Ranger District is open to target shooting Surely there are some better places in all that area So we wish the best for your mapping effort and we strongly support the objective of the Partnership Nonetheless we will continue to advocate for a limited firearms ban in key locations which we think pose great danger Our group of Sugarloaf residents will continue to track the Partnership findings and we are willing to provide any comment and help that we can If reasonable locations for new ranges

can be found I think many or all of us could be counted on for help in advocating for the resources to create the ranges Please dont hesitate to call if I can clarify or expand upon anything stated above and please let me know if my understanding of the preliminary criteria map is incorrect My very best wishes for a productive Partnership Marilyn Marilyn Hartig 76 S Peak Trl Boulder CO 80302 To Northern Front Range Recreational Sport Management Partnership From Concerned Sugar Loaf residents Subject Confirmation of the Input provided at the July 23 2013 Boulder County Open House meeting The following summarizes the input of the group of concerned Sugar Loaf residents as discussed with the Partnership (ldquoStakeholdersrdquo) at the July 23 2013 Open House Background There are four informal (unauthorized) recreational shooting areas in the Sugar Loaf that are at issue They include 1) Swiss Peaks 2) Kelly Road 3) Old Town Site Road and 4) Peewink Mountain Concerns The Sugar Loaf resident concerns outlined below are in some cases synergistic with the Partnershiprsquos preliminary criteria and in other cases are additional considerations Our priority concerns relate to public safety

bull Public safety Personal Injury or Death The discharge of firearms in densely populated areas or areas of high recreational use poses a significant risk to residents and their pets and to visitors who are likely to be unaware of the risk and therefore less watchful It is also a liability issue for the Stakeholders

bull Public Safety Wildfire Cause Discharge of firearms is a demonstrated ignition source for wildfire as reported by the USFS It is also a liability and budget issue for the Stakeholders

bull Environmental Damage Environmental damage caused by target shooting includes damage to trees camp fires litter (garbage shell casings targeted objects etc) noise toxic ldquoclay pigeonsrdquo etc)

bull Alcohol Use by Recreational Shooters There are reports of shooters (relatively routinely) using alcohol while engaging in recreational shooting and therefore increasing the risk of an accident On Sugarloaf Mountain this group often includes college students some of whom are under age

bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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can be found I think many or all of us could be counted on for help in advocating for the resources to create the ranges Please dont hesitate to call if I can clarify or expand upon anything stated above and please let me know if my understanding of the preliminary criteria map is incorrect My very best wishes for a productive Partnership Marilyn Marilyn Hartig 76 S Peak Trl Boulder CO 80302 To Northern Front Range Recreational Sport Management Partnership From Concerned Sugar Loaf residents Subject Confirmation of the Input provided at the July 23 2013 Boulder County Open House meeting The following summarizes the input of the group of concerned Sugar Loaf residents as discussed with the Partnership (ldquoStakeholdersrdquo) at the July 23 2013 Open House Background There are four informal (unauthorized) recreational shooting areas in the Sugar Loaf that are at issue They include 1) Swiss Peaks 2) Kelly Road 3) Old Town Site Road and 4) Peewink Mountain Concerns The Sugar Loaf resident concerns outlined below are in some cases synergistic with the Partnershiprsquos preliminary criteria and in other cases are additional considerations Our priority concerns relate to public safety

bull Public safety Personal Injury or Death The discharge of firearms in densely populated areas or areas of high recreational use poses a significant risk to residents and their pets and to visitors who are likely to be unaware of the risk and therefore less watchful It is also a liability issue for the Stakeholders

bull Public Safety Wildfire Cause Discharge of firearms is a demonstrated ignition source for wildfire as reported by the USFS It is also a liability and budget issue for the Stakeholders

bull Environmental Damage Environmental damage caused by target shooting includes damage to trees camp fires litter (garbage shell casings targeted objects etc) noise toxic ldquoclay pigeonsrdquo etc)

bull Alcohol Use by Recreational Shooters There are reports of shooters (relatively routinely) using alcohol while engaging in recreational shooting and therefore increasing the risk of an accident On Sugarloaf Mountain this group often includes college students some of whom are under age

bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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bull Maintaining Multiuse Facilities for People and Wildlife We wish to point out that a multiuse area becomes essentially single use when only shooters feel safe there In addition the danger to and displacement of wildlife is a concern particularly when caused by an activity that has no seasonal limitations

ldquoAskrdquo The Sugar Loaf residents have the following specific ldquoaskrdquo of the Stakeholders and in particular the Boulder County Commissioners

Immediately close for target shooting the following areas on and around Sugar Loaf Mountain Swiss Peaks Kelly Road Old Town Site Road and Peewink Mountain

Proposed Resident Support Activities Successful enforcement of the requested closures is a critical issue The Sugar Loaf residents are ldquowilling partnersrdquo in assisting the Stakeholders in achieving compliance The following ideasproposals are offered for Stakeholder consideration

bull Signage Assist in installingmaintaining appropriate closure signage

bull NotificationEducation Assist in notificationeducation of closures through community media (newsletters list serves etc) assist with USFSCountyCPampW efforts notify local ldquogun shopsrdquo of closures etc

bull Support Law Enforcement On a reporting and documenting basis serve as ldquoeyes and earsrdquo for closure law enforcement

The above is submitted by the following Sugar Loaf residents Marcia Barber Alex Barber Nancy Gneiser Art Gneiser Marilyn Hartig Christina Merrill Anita Moss Casey Rabe Jillian Weems Bob Westby

Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Public Shooting Ranges From ROBERT LESH ltrll2966msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-08-07 1803 Hello This is Robert Lesh I spoke with you on the phone Friday July the 26th You had asked me to send an email with my suggestions and comments About these public shooting ranges Let me say that I am in favor of them and it would be nice to have a place to shoot But I am totally against any ban on stopping recreational or target shooting on public land as in the national forest or government owned land Before I go any farther I want to state the fact that as a hunter and fisherman when I purchase my licenses I am required to purchase a $1000 Habitat Stamp I must also show proof of having completed a hunter education safety course before I can purchase a hunting license The way that I see it through the purchases of my hunting amp fishing licenses plus the Habitat Stamp I am paying a fee for game amp land management and basically for the right to use the land With that being said it would seem to me that the other people using public land such as hikers and mountain bikers pay nothing and are getting a free ride It would also seem that they are the ones complaining the most One suggestion would be that ALL users of public land be required to purchase the Habitat Stamp The extra revenue generated could be used toward the construction and maintenance of these shooting ranges Here are some suggestions you might consider for these ranges Everyone wants this to be a safe place to shoot If there will not be an on sight range officer then why not require that the users must have or show proof of completing either a hunter safety course or some sort of a firearms training course such as for concealed weapons carry Also to that these people could supervise their children or a guest Most everyone here in Colorado is concerned about fires May I suggest that only lead or copper jacketed ammunition be allowed No tracer or bi-metal jacketed ammunition If someone is not sure if their ammunition is bi-metal jacketed there could be a permanent magnet in place for them to test it As for the problem with trash there should be garbage cans or a dumpster available for people to use Also only allow the use of paper targets and or clay birds As for the set-up of these ranges It would be nice to have separate areas for pistol rifle and shotgun for trap shooting Say a 50 yard pistol range a 100 and 200 yard rifle and an area for shotgun that people could bring and use their portable thrower for trap Another topic that I would like to address is people such as hikers mountain bikers and others using public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons Im assuming that you will be meeting with people from Colorado Parks and Wildlife As a hunter I am required by law to wear a minimum of 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange while hunting deer elk pronghorn bear or moose with a firearm license I

would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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would like to suggest that ANY PERSON on public land during the firearm big game hunting seasons also be required by law to wear fluorescent orange clothing Just because of the fact that they are a Non Hunter does not make them instantly visible and immune to an accidental shooting I would also like to suggest that there be notices posted at access points and trail heads for when the firearms big game hunting seasons are open That way it will let the non hunters know that there will be the possibility of hunters in the area and when While hunting I have had people spook game and or walk right up to me without even knowing I was hunting there or for that matter that the hunting season was even open When I am scouting an area in preseason and I see someone I talk to them to let them know that I will be hunting there and when It sure would be nice to have some type of public awareness program that would educate people about the myth that ALL bullets spark amp ricochet (like they see on TV or in movies) and start fires Also for them to have some courtesy for the hunters that use public land Possibly suggest that they walk hike or mountain bike in an area that is closed to hunting during the big game hunting seasons Robert Lesh

Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt

The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Creedmore Marksmanship Ranges From ltgmarshekitcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ltdruwoneimagecomgt Date 2013-08-03 1046 Dear Gerry Thanks for offering so much public input on creating new places to shoot firearms in the greater Denver area See wwwsportshootingpartnersorg Dont forget historic Creedmore 1000 yard marksmanship Few places can offer these marksman including the omnipresent important varmint hunters this type of range Of course bench rests would be provided Given our ever expanding population we must all push for sanity on the use of silencers - especially fools who villainize the folks who make their right to this process possible Sincerely Greg Marsh

Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Comments Pertaining to Preliminary Criteria From David Hallock lteldoradhrminetgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-24 1526

Gary

The following are some comments regarding the preliminary criteria about the location of shooting ranges

I think noise needs to be given greater consideration and I dont feel the preliminary distances are adequate to buffer residences or recreational areas from the long duration of sound emitted from a shooting range Some people are aware of the sounds around them and others are not For those that are sensitive to noise and aware of their surrounding soundscape the presence of the sounds of a shooting range as part of their ambient soundscape even at levels well below county noise standards would be difficult to live with A quarter mile from residences would not be adequate and many homes are on lands (such as mining claims) that are not part of residential development subdivisions or an unincorporated townsite I am not even sure a half mile would work How sound carries in the mountains greatly varies by site and topography How sound carries in a canyon differs from a flat plain For any site that is chosen for a potential shooting range sound testing is very doable with measurements being taken from various surrounding locations

Impacts on wildlife also need consideration when locating a shooting range There is a growing body of literature on the impacts of sound on animals (the National Parks Service website on Natural Sounds and Night Skies is a good reference) Areas that are known to be important to wildlife such as designated Critical Wildlife Habitats in the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan elk calving areas and known wildlife movement corridors should be recognized and give consideration when siting a shooting range

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

David H Hallock

2478 Eldora Road

Nederland CO 80466

Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Gilpin County Meeting From Greg Harman ltelkhunter4899gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 2211 Mr Garry Sanfacon Thank you for your involvement in this recreational shooting initiative Being a highly interested stakeholder and beneficiary in this endeavor I also desire to be a participant in the decision making process for Gilpin County (I was present at the meeting) and Boulder County I am a Gilpin County Resident and own property in Boulder County My shooting experience is extensive both civilian and Military I am a Life Member of The National Rifle Association and a current member of two Gun Clubs Buffalo Creek Gun Club in Pike National Forest 2Km North of Wellington Lake and Colorado Rifle Club A private club located in Adams County off Rector-Leader Road and 92nd Avenue East of DIA As a Gilpin County Resident and a Senior I will not always be able to afford Gun Club Memberships nor be able to travel 150-200 Miles round trip to shoot for a few hours It is imperative that Shooting facilities be available close to home with reasonably and regularly maintained comforttoilet facilities That is a necessity for family shooting activities as well as Senior needs Backstops and berms need to be high and deep enough to prevent ricochets and over penetration out of the designated safe zone They should also be accessible for lead remediation and have proper drainage Target frames as well as steel gongs for plinkers should be considered Steel gongs being the go-to target for the reaction of sound and displacement AR-500 steel is a good long term material and can be purchased in bulk as plate and the gongs cut out in silhouettes of animals round circles squares and rectangles with a plasma torch These lend themselves well to Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Muzzle Loader shooters as well as hand gun 22 RF and High Power shooters Gongs can also be fabricated from worn out road grader blades Gongs can be swingers popups or static targets that will be knocked over in succession at different distances Metallic Silhouette Shooting is a sport that originated in Old Mexico (Silhouettas Metallicas) and has been in this Country for more than 40 years An example of a shooter activated resetting 22 RF gong rack httpwwwmidwayusacomproduct426631caldwell-resetting-target-system-22-caliber-rimfire-steel httpwwwdelnortegunclubcomsilhouettesimagessilhouettepic2gif httpssphotos-bxxfbcdnnethphotos-ash4p480x480293697_162721890537410_267120144_njpg httpblogcrpaorgwp-contentuploads201202silhouette4jpg

Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Target frames can be counterweighted mechanical pop-up frames from a Pit behind a berm for long ranges This requires 2 people one shooting and one to pull and mark targets NRA High Power competition and long range High Power is commonly done this way Please see httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=AieSZwBGsIo Woodenrecycled grader blade frames are used where shooters walk out from the safe line during a cease fire and staple their paper targets to a backer board held in place by the wood cross piece frames Good Backer Boards can be made from recycled cardboard However paper based cardboard will not stand up long in wet weather I have seen asphalt felt construction sheathing used as backer board It resists weather just fine All backer boards will need periodic replacement Often if heavily used Here are some general information links that may help Please feel free to keep me in the loop I can do search and inquiry on specific subjects if needed Respectfully Greg Harman httprangenraorg httpwwwnssforgrangesrangeresourceslibrarydetailcfmfilename=facility_mngmntdesignbaffles_bermshtm httpfilesdnrstatemnusdestinationsshooting_rangesoutdoor_shooting_best_practicespdf httpwwwprogunleadersorgrangesconstructionhtml

Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Robert Donovan Phone call to Garry Sanfacon Attn Garry Sanfacon From ltBobjdonovanaolcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-11 1255 Sir My name is Robert Donovan Address 17905 Co Hwy 7 Lyons Co Ph NO 303-747-2295 As per our phone conservation here are some ideas on creating a safe gun range 1 A professionally design gun shooting range This is not one or two people shooting in the shooting in the woods You could have 10s or more people at a time shooting and it has to be done safely for the shooters environment and residents 2 Reasonable rules and regulations for the safety of the above 3 A trained Range Safety Officer to ensure that the rules and regulations are followed and the authority to enforce said rules and regulation and the authority to close the range if safety rules are not followed 4 A fire mitigation plan if the range is in the forest We had one fire already because of target shooting 5 The range has to have adequate parking for the shooters so they do not park on the road create a dangerous driving condition on a highway 6 Reasonable time of operation for the range 7 An Environmental clean up plan so lead does not get into the environment So the back drop will have to be clean of all lead bullets on a regular period 8 Some Federal County or private organization to take responsibility for the range and they should be on scene whenever the range is in operation to ensure the rules and regulations are obeyed 9 All shooters agree in writing to abide by the approved rules and regulations before being allowed to use the range or they are not allowed to use the range These are my ideas on having a safe and responsibly shooting range It would help to tell you of my background so you know on what basic I speak when talking about a gun range I was in the US Army and learn to shoot on an Army range I was a Washington DC Police Officer and learn to shoot my service weapon on the DC police range and had to qualify once every six months I was a member of the US Secret Service and had to qualify on their range every month I was in the US Customs Service and had to qualify with my service weapon every six months and I was also a weapon training Officer 12 gage Shotgun and worked closely with the range officers If you have any questions or I can help in any way with this project please contact me ether by phone email or mail Sincerely Robert Donovan

Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Nuisance shooting From Kathy Donald ltkathydonald1960gmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 2359 While a lot of people refer to the shooting in the national forest as recreational we who live in the areas adjacent to the forests consider it a huge nuisance that is often dangerous as well as obnoxious We recently built our dream home just up the mountain from the meadow in which we were married 31 years ago Our house is the last one on Barbour Heights Ct and is adjacent to Arapahoe national forest on three sides We absolutely love the view the serenity and the peaceful atmosphere that we live in but hate the disturbance of all that by people randomly shooting round after round after round very near our home When we first moved in we held a picnic for our friends and fellow volunteers for the American Legion Post 161 and had to explain over and over again to the vets why their peaceful afternoon was rudely interrupted by rapid gunfire causing a few of them to visibly jump with each report

There is another meadow (about 100 yards from the base of our property) in which people like to shoot There is not EVER a weekend in which there is not someone there affixing targets to trees blasting away and making so much noise that we feel as though we are imprisoned in our own home in order to escape Quite often the noise is so loud that our dog starts shaking and looking desperately for a place to hide to soothe herself Family members are reluctant to visit because of the noise and the feeling of danger Surely there is something that can be done to encourage these shooters to go further away in order to alleviate some of the noise Also it seems that with the shooters comes a whole lot of garbage left behind especially at the trail head which is less than 12 a mile from our land

On hikes we always come across empty shells ON THE ROAD from which we were told it is always illegal to shoot It is unnerving to say the least to try to enjoy the outdoors when you never know where people will be firing rounds without regard to what may be just around the corner from their intended target which (by the way) is rarely anything safe Targets are often fastened to trees (which are damaged and killed by the imbedded rounds) or rocks (which pose a very scary ricocheting potential) We find ourselves constantly looking over a shoulder wondering if the shooters know were there We try make a lot of noise so that we are sure they do thus once again being unable to enjoy the peacefulness inherent to the forest

The fact that the majority of those in the sherriffs office are more likely to be annoyed by we residents calling to ask them to tell those who are in fact shooting illegally than they are by the illegal shooters themselves is very illuminating as to the attitude of those in authority Virtually every time I have called to report illegal shooting I have had to explainargue with either the dispatcher or the officer or both re the fact that while I am aware that is legal to shoot in the national forest it is NOT LEGAL for people to be shooting in the particular areas I am calling about At the VERY LEAST law enforcement should be aware of the areas that are clearly posted as illegal shooting areas

Anything that can done to mitigate this situation would be much appreciated

Kathy Donald

Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Fwd Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-26 1445 Hi Garry - I want to thank you and the rest of the RSS group for the very informative and productive meeting last Tuesday In an effort to drum up support for the RSS project among my neighbors I just sent them the following comments on my perceptions of what the project is about and where it stands at the present time Most of the nine homeowners who live in the Buckingham Hills subdevelopment have property that abuts up against Left Hand Canyon Road and directly across from the OHV shooting area so as you can imagine they are very interested in following the progress of this project I understand how busy you must be so you are under no obligation to read what I sent them or to respond to it However if you do read it I would be interested if you find that I have misrepresented anything that you or the other presenters said or if any of the information Ive included is incorrect As I mentioned to you at the meeting Susan and I are heading out tomorrow morning on vacation for about three weeks Accordingly it will be a while before I can provide you with my written comments about the project Thanks again for the effort you are putting into resolving this complex and very important issue Sincerely Dave Donaldson dadonaldsoncomcastnet

From David A Donaldson ltdadonaldsoncomcastnetgt To neighbors Sent Friday July 26 2013 15805 PM Subject Left Hand Canyon Shooting Area

Hi all -

It seems as though Irsquom always apologizing to you for the length of my e-mails however based on the energetic and concerned discussion the homeowners had about the Left Hand Canyon Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) shooting area at the last homeowners meeting Irsquom asking you once again to spend the time necessary to read and consider some recent developments on this important subject

Last Tuesday Susan and I attended the (are you ready for this) Northern Colorado Front Range Sports Shooting Management Partnership (RSS) meeting You can find an article in the Daily

Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Camera (July 23) reporting on this meeting What follows are 1) some information not mentioned - or not covered in depth - in the article and 2) a call to action Irsquom presenting this information in a QampA format but I welcome any questions or suggestions you might have either about the RSS project or how we should proceed to influence the outcome of the project

1 Is this initiative just one more attempt to pit shooters against nonshooters that will end up in a stalemate Susan and I disagree with the title and tone of the Camera article (ldquoCritics of Recreational Target Shooters Air Complaints at Boulder County Meetingrdquo) Yes complaints were expressed however the overall tone of the discussion was constructive and we walked away feeling that this time something actually might get done I know some of you long-timers have heard this before however there have been some changes in Forest Service (USFS) personnel and the approach now being taken seems much more cooperative than confrontational

2 Why should this effort be deemed to have a better chance of success Two reasons For one the RSS is a much broader effort It brings together the federal government (USFS) state government (Colorado Parks and Wildlife) and four counties (Boulder Larimer Gilpin and Clear Creek) to identify and construct safe places for people to shoot This is an important departure from past efforts efforts that essentially had local residents trying to convince governmental authorities to restrict the use of USFS lands - eg to close certain areas to shooting Second and perhaps most important is the fundamental premise that underlies the project namely that under current law shooters have a right to use the National Forest for shooting and that current law is very unlikely to change given the existing political climate

3 What is the hoped-for outcome of this effort The stated mission of the RSS effort is ldquo(T)o develop a multi-jurisdictional strategy to provide safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting opportunities while addressing conflicts near residential areas and with other recreation usersrdquo Thus rather than continuing to fight to change current laws the RSS is focused on providing safe managed places for people to shoot without endangering non-shooters and minimizing environmental damage to the forests The general feeling (which currently seems to have the support of many shooters) is that if such areas can be constructed mostshooters will use these sites instead of continuing to use informal shooting areas such as the one that exists at the Left Hand OHV area

4 If successful does this mean that the fire danger and noise that emanates from the Left Hand OHV area will be eliminated Probably not entirely but it should be substantially mitigated As several meeting participants acknowledged there probably will always be someldquoroguerdquo shooters who will disregard signs warnings common sense rules and USFS and Boulder County laws however a reduction in the number of users of these unauthorized areas will make identification and enforcement easier -and less usage of these areas should also reduce fire danger environmental damage and noise pollution

5 How does the RSS plan to accomplish all of this The RSS has adopted a multi-phase approach to 1) survey current open space within each county and identify potential shooting sites 2) evaluate those sites according to specific criteria (a list of these criteria appear in

paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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paragraph five of the Daily Camera article) and 3) work with each county to help select the best sites and advise on the construction of safe managed shooting facilities

6 Where do things stand now The RSS has met several times under the direction of Boulder County resident Garry Sanfacon a paid outside coordinator and group facilitator Phase I the identification of potential shooting sites has been completed I spoke with Garry after the meeting and he gave me some good news - with a strong caveat The first map showing the results of the preliminary assessment of potential shooting areas does not include the Left Hand Canyon OHV area though there are a couple areas farther up Left Hand Canyon that are on the initial map The caveat is that the map is being considered as very preliminary and subject to substantial revision Nevertheless we in Buckingham Hills appear to have dodged the first bullet so to speak Susan and I will try to stay abreast of this situation and keep you informed if things change

7 What happens next In Phase II of the project the RSS group will conduct a more in-depth review of all of the potential candidates for shooting areas identified in Phase I This review will evaluate access to the site the availability of parking distance from the site to surrounding roads the condition of access roads possible wildfire hazards population density noise pollution and possible environmental impacts It is expected that this review will result in identifying a few viable locations for constructing one or more managed shooting facilities in Boulder County

8 What other developments are there The Louisville City Council has voted to allow entrepreneur Richard Weingarten to construct an in-door 16-lane shooting facility in the Colorado Technology Center industrial district Weingarten who hopes to have the shooting range open by Thanksgiving still needs to obtain approval from the city through a special-use review in order to actually build the range In addition construction began last weekend on building an outdoor 30-lane shooting area in the Pawnee National Grassland Funding is being provided by the National Rifle Association ($25000) and Colorado Parks and Wildlife ($97000) with assistance from Weld County and the Roosevelt National ForestPawnee National Grassland Foundation It is hoped that by building both of these facilities it will reduce the amount of illegal and dangerous shooting that currently takes place in unofficial shooting areas

9 What can you do The RSS has set up a web site (wwwSportShootingPartnersorg) that you can access and receive e-mail updates about this project In addition you can follow RSS developments on Facebook (wwwfacebookcomSportShootingPartners) and Twitter (wwwtwittercomNFRRSSMP) Further Garry Sanfacon RSS Project Coordinator has asked anyone who so desires to e-mail him his or her comments about the project at his e-mail address infoSportShootingPartnersorg Susan and I will most definitely send Garry our comments on why we believe that the Left Hand Canyon OHV area is not a suitable site to construct a permanent shooting structure We hope that all of you will join us in this effort

Thanks for reading all of this

Dave (and Susan) Donaldson

Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject 14 mile From Michael Dowell ltmndowellgmailcomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-31 0857 To think that a 14 mile separation from a shooting range and a persons home is ludicrous Not even the most serious gun nut would want that It is neither safe nor conducive to good health for a shooting range to be that close to anyone Mike Dowell

Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt

The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Public comment from Clear Creek County From ltjuliewestlandjunocomgt To ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1349 infosportshootingpartnersorg Hi Garry -- Thanks for coming to Idaho Springs last week to present your concepts for the Sport Shooting Management Partnership Even though I have a gun I dont participate in target practise outdoors I wouldnt want to disturb other users in the forest like theyve been disturbing us (residents and quiet recreation-users) Garry I think the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the stresshealth issues associated with the noise that residents cant escape Were held captive in our homes or have to leave our homes on weekendsholidays cant use our decks or other outdoor spaces Gun noise is NOT an ambient noise that one grows accustomed to nor do our pets and I would guess the incessant noise is also detrimental to wildlife So for public comment Id ask that you rate noise as equally important as other safety issues There are people with PTSD cancer and other health issues who should be able to enjoy the sanctuary of their homes and outdoor spaces without being subjected to the stress of gun noise I would also ask since there is so much acreage that designated shooting areas not be located within 2 miles of residential areas especially in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) Society has changed and attitudes towards shooting sports should change with it There needs to be places where visitors can go to enjoy their public lands peacefully In summary (for now)

bull Recognize and acknowledge that gun noise is a safety issue bull Locate designated shooting areas far away from residences particularly in the

WUI bull Negotiate shooting closures in conjunction with designated shooting areas so

that quiet users of public lands can also enjoy a quality experience

Thanks and please keep me in the loop Julie Westland Floyd HillEvergreen

Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt

The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Shooting along 103 From Kimberly Bentrott ltkbentrottclinicaorggt To infoSportShootingPartnersorg ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 0943

Hi

I am writing to send up my concerns about shooting along Highway 103Squaw Pass I recently purchased a home on Squaw Mountain trail last year We bought in that area because of our love of nature and the desire to allow our kids to grow up hiking and climbing in their big back yard However Irsquove come to worry about allowing my kids to hike around our mountain due to the regular weekend shooting going on As far as I can tell by questioning my neighbors on Squaw Mountain Trail and along 103 there isnrsquot a specific sports shooting range allocated instead people are shooting at various places along 103 including near the Squaw Mountain Trail turn off

The noise is a problem It is scary for my children and unsettling for my husband and me especially when we arenrsquot sure how close to the house shots are coming from

The random sport shooting is destroying the trees along 103 My husband has gone to look at various reported shooting sights to get an idea about safety concerns for the family and trees have been shot down trash litters the ground

I donrsquot feel safe hiking with my small children while shooting is heard

I worry about fire danger

I have no objection to sport shooting but I think the random nature of the shooting spots all along 103 takes out of commission a large area of national forest that abuts multiple residential communities

This is a huge concern I would appreciate any assistance in some sort of regulation Ideally a sports shootingtarget shooting designated area along 103 could be determined and thus give all residents in the area a specific place to avoid while enjoying the beautiful mountains with their families

Thank you for your time and consideration

Kim Bentrott

Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject shooting ranges From Meredith Tyburczy ltmjtybugmailcomgt To Garry Sanfacon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-25 1222 Hello Garry I would like to add my two cents to the conversation Joe and I are not against a shooting range in the Allenspark area My suggestion is that no matter where the site is located it would be good to have the ranges open on a rotating basis For example if there are 4 ranges established it would be nice to have them open on a rotating basis---one week a month for each area That would give the people living near the ranges a respite from the gun noise with the understanding that there would be weeks that would be noisy and other weeks would be quiet Thanks for listening Merry Tyburczy

Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt

The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Tonights hearing From Ralph W ltbudzmail11msncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-23 1137 To Gary Sanfacon Thank you for your time on this much needed effort of local agencies cooperating to support a safe target shooting area on public grounds I am unable t make the Boulder Cty meeting tonight However as a volunteer Range Safety Officer at the Longmont Police and Boulder Cty Shooting and training facility I have heard time and again from members saying how happy they are to be able to come and target shoot in a SAFE environment I believe that safe public properties should be made available to shooters who cant afford memberships at private ranges or just prefer to shoot outside at longer distances Families would find it more affordable to go to a public area I believe clearly defined parking areas clearly defined shooting backstops and good vehicle access are what are most important for the public to have a good feeling about a range on public ground The interest is there I hope these comments help the cause Thank you for your time If I can be of any further help please let me know Best regards Ralph Walsh Berthoud CO

Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Support for RSS Initiative From Anthony Petrella ltapetrellminesedugt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Cc ARTHUR SACKS (absacksmsncom) ltabsacksmsncomgt Date 2013-07-15 1010

Hello Mr Sanfacon Ms Watson

I was unable to attend the open house you held in Gilpin Co on 11 July but would like to share this brief note with you to express my support for the Northern Front Range RSS initiative I am a resident of Gilpin County and a member of the faculty at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden I am a recreational and competitive shooter myself and I have been working with the large but relatively inexperienced Shooting Sports Club at Mines to help them start a competitive team which they are very keen to do

One of the greatest challenges for the students has been finding a safe place to shoot that is reasonable in its cost and distance from Golden A Gilpin shooting range (especially on Hwy 119 in Clear Creek Canyon as has been hinted) would be a tremendous boon for the club at Mines as they attempt to make their start with competitive shooting I can also say that I would patronize the range and have discussed the matter with other nearby Gilpin residents who share my enthusiasm In particular Dr Arthur Sacks a distinguished emeritus faculty member at Mines asked me to also relay his support via this note

I am registered to receive e-mail updates on the progress of this initiative and I will be eager to attend future open house meetings ifwhen they occur here in Gilpin Co Also if there is something I can personally do or that the club at Mines can do to contribute to the effort we would be happy to consider it

Sincerely

Anthony Petrella

Gilpin County Resident

Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

gtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgtgt

The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

zvelo

Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject RE Front Range Shooting Partners From Jeff Finn ltjfinnzvelocomgt To Garry Sanfaccedilon ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-07-15 0830

Garry

Here are some comments for your consideration

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The Front Range shooting center under consideration would provide a number of benefits to the large numbers of shooters and hunters along the front range The benefits include the following

bull Safety ndash a publicly-accessible shooting range that is properly supervised is definitely needed The growing demand for safe public shooting ranges has far exceeded the supply along the front range

bull Proximityconvenience to front range shooters ndash as noted above there is a limited supply of publicly accessible shooting ranges along the Front Range Having a reasonably close location would be a significant benefit

bull Varying distances ndash most of the publicly-accessible shooting ranges in the area have limited distance shooting lanes with maximum distances oftentimes being 100 yards For hunters who require practice in the 100-300 yard distances there are limited alternatives

bull Allows for multiple shooting positions ndash having the opportunity to practice in different shooting positions ndash prone seated standing and kneeling is a definitely benefit

bull Provides an alternative to expensive private shooting clubs ndash not all shooters and hunters can afford the expenses associated with private shooting clubs that have been established to supply services to the growing demand

bull Alternative to BLM shooting - from personal experience the BLM is challenging at best to work with to find safe shooting areas and in many cases seems to actively discourage use of public lands for this activity Recent and pending federal legislation has removed sizeable portions of BLM land in Colorado for shooting reducing even further the options for shooters and hunters to practice

Garry let me know if this is the type of statement you were interested in receiving Thanks again for your efforts and look forward to hopefully seeing this concept realized

Sincerely

Jeff Finn

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Comment on sport shooting From Jim Drevescraft ltdrevesjionskycomgt

To Boulder County Board of Commissioners ltcommissionersbouldercountyorggt ltgcasamassafsfedusgt Sylvia G -FS Clark ltsgclarkfsfedusgt ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc Walt Kramarz ltwaltkra1yahoocomgt Date 2013-07-13 0833

To Whom It May Concern

Since I am unable to attend the informational open houses about sport shooting and since public input will not be taken per se anyway I am writing to make an official comment that I hope will be considered as the various governmental agencies try to reach an equitable solution to a very serious problem along the Front Range of Colorado

I do not expect that any solution will completely satisfy all parties

My wife and I lived in lower Fourmile Canyon from 1982 to 1997 During those fifteen years we never heard a single gunshot---not one Thus when we decided to move deeper into the mountains of Boulder County for more privacy it never occurred to us as I suspect it does not to many like us to investigate whether there was extensive use of firearms (beyond hunting) in the vicinity of our new home We thought we were becoming more private The reality came as a shock

We still live at 759 N Beaver Road located in unincorporated Boulder County off of County Road 99 south of Magnolia Road and approximately a mile or a bit more from the notorious former dumpsite on Magnolia Unbeknownst to us in 1997rsquos late winter this dumpsite has been one of the major locations in Boulder County for unsupervised firearm use by anyone who turns up Actual militia types in camouflage have even been seen in this location to say nothing of more conventional citizens

In the bustle and excitement of moving and renovating our new home the last thing on our minds was that we were moving into a free fire zone Despite fifteen years of mountain living we had no idea that so much gunfire could legally emanate from one location to say nothing of the added gunfire from some private property in the area

We had moved from a tranquil mountain setting to what felt at times (and often daily) like a war zone We had gone from Colorado to Afghanistan

I have written comments to the USFS Boulder Board of County Commissioners Boulder County Sheriffrsquos Dept Boulder Daily Camera Boulder Weekly Colorado Daily Denver Post and more expressing concern about safety noise and litter issues associated with unsupervised shooting in the more or less heavily populated sections of Coloradorsquos mountains I would be happy to again provide copies to all of you if desired if I have not already done so

The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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The problem is that when one hears semi-automatic and even automatic weapon fire at all hours of day and night the noise is mentally and physically jarring to say the least In addition one has no way of knowing who the shooters are exactly where they are shooting what they are shooting at and if they are shooting with any degree of safety Given the designed purpose of guns it is clear they can never be used in complete safety but absent supervised location-defined monitored shooting the safety implications to other users of public lands are obvious and manifest Finally having seen the old furniture rusty appliances full of holes broken glass spent cartridge casings lead bullets left lying around etc the litter and pollution results of unrestricted firearm use are obvious It is also clear that a fair amount of alcohol and perhaps other substances are used by some while shooting

While there certainly are gun enthusiasts who shoot as safely as possible at reasonable targets and clean up afterwards without monitoring there is no way to identify and mitigate damage by shooters who could care less about noise pollution adequate safety measures keeping our public lands pristine and having any concern for the rights of other citizens who may not share their avocation

After previous public hearings outcry mutual vituperation reports of near misses (I have a neighbor who has bullet holes in his siding) regarding the Magnolia dumpsite (but I am sure such information applies to other locations) the USFS closed the Magnolia site while yet another study was undertaken In this case it was decided finally to involve all agencies concerned as well as citizen input to try and arrive at a solution that would protect the rights of property owners in the mountains without denying shooting enthusiasts the opportunity to pursue their hobby

This is a laudable undertaking

Since I have commented on the issue before what I would like to add at this time is my own observation that since the Magnolia site was closed the previously incredible level of gunfire (sometimes several hundred shots daily) in our area has dropped off greatly There are still a few shots heard from private land (including a nearby home where fully automatic fire is heard) but in the past several months I have been able to sit on my deck in peace for the first time in sixteen years As a non-shooter of course I would rather not hear any shots as my military-induced PTSD makes gunfire extremely jarring as well as disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of my property but the reduction in volume since the moratorium has made a world of difference

This leads me to the conclusion that a majority of the shooting noise in the past was indeed from the Magnolia dump site and makes me wonder how the people in the Big Springs subdivision have been able to endure at all---to say nothing of people who can hear gunshots in downtown Nederland that originate at the dumpsite and who are potential ricochet victims while walking down the street or going to school

Thus I submit that one essential part of any master plan should include permanent closure of the Magnolia dumpsite to any form of shooting

Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Further any location proposed for shooting must be located away from populated areas have berming and other measures taken for safety and noise control and be patrolled to help prevent abusive usage Even if many shooters are taking safety measures and clean up after themselves there are many who donrsquot---and ALL shooting produces noise pollution of a particularly disturbing nature as studies have shown Such noise denies peaceful enjoyment of their property to homeowners who find themselves living near shooting sites they did not know existed and these landowners pay substantial property taxes with the assumption that their property rights will not be abridged I submit that the rights of property owners victimized by shooting are an order of magnitude greater than the perceived rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue their sport without regard for the rights of others in locations often far from their own residences If it were happening in their back yards they would be howling in outrage

One thinks of the image from Orwells Animal Farm that ldquosome pigs are more equal then othersrdquo when encountering the vehement assertion of supposed Second Amendment rights advanced by gun enthusiasts who think their right to possibly endanger and certainly disturb the peace of other citizens is in some way superior to the claims of everyone else This immediate retreat behind a murky section of the US Constitution is dubious at best was only asserted by the current Supreme Court in 2008 and could be changed at any point in the future

To conclude any ldquofinal solutionrdquo to sport shooting issues along the Front Range should place the rights of all citizens as being of paramount importance but also take into account that the specific nature of safety noise and pollution issues surrounding the use of firearms near residential areas requires a more thorough and comprehensive approach than simply specifying a few locations where shooting will be tolerated The minority of citizens who enjoy sport shooting should not be allowed to hold the rest of the citizenry hostage and governmental monitoring of shooting sites on public lands must be enhanced and enforced

I realize this issue is an emotional and complex one and appreciate the interest of various public officials in seeking a solution that will somehow respect the rights safety and interests of all concerned I hope it will not take confrontation and some unfortunate incident to make the need for a sensible solution even more obvious

Respectfully Jim Drevescraft PO Box 266 Nederland CO 80466-0266

Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Sport Shooting Partnership From GRESKY 9704939829 ltgreskycpmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt

Cc donneltcolarimercous ltdonneltcolarimercousgt johnsoswcolarimercous ltjohnsoswcolarimercousgt

Date 2013-06-15 1340 Mr Gary Sanfacon I am interested in knowing more about the Sport Shooting Partnership and I hope to attend your open house at the Larimer County Court House on June 27 from 6 PM to 8PM I am a Colorado Master Hunter Education Instructor an NRA Instructor and an NRA Chief Range Safety Officer As an NRA Instructor I have my personal copy of the NRA Shooting Range Management Manual I have previously written the Shooting Range Safety Procedures for the Northern Colorado Rod and Gun Club where I have been the President for multiple years As a instructor and educator I already possess some interesting knowledge and background on the issues pertaining to A) The former Larimer County Landfill controlled shooting range facility and its multiple reasons for closure B) The previous proposal for an uncontrolled facility on the Pawnee Grasslands by the Forest Service C) A failed discussion for a shooting range in the Cherokee Park area D) The shooting fatality at the Rampart Range uncontrolled facility Your stated goals are admirable and I am interested in hearing your proposals for management and funding Yours Paul Gresky Colorado HEC Instructor 213 Master Instructor 15

Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Great From Del Lynd ltdjlyndmsncomgt To infosportshootingpartnersorg ltinfosportshootingpartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1126 I just want to give my approval of the start of the process to locate and set up safe shooting areas all along the Front Range I live in Nederland and ever since I drove up into the area just north of the old dump shooting area and heard the shooting noise I stopped shooting there Thanks for all your efforts Del Lynd

Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Clear Creek County Meeting on RSS From ltKerstenSharrockgenzymecomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-06-17 1750

Garry

I read the recent PR regarding the new partnership being developed to address RSS in the front range communities I have been fairly vocal with our commissioners and sheriffrsquos office regarding this issue and have appreciated the leadership Tim Mauck has shown in tackling this issue in a measured and comprehensive way

My husband and I live in Montane Park in Idaho Springs and are the highest house on the last row ergo we tend to be up close and personal with many of the unsafe shooters who visit our forest We are gun owners ourselves and my husband frequently target shoots at our local gun range club We are in no way anti gun However the situation in our immediate forest truly has become rather unsafe There isnrsquot a neighbor in our area that has not literally been shot at while walking with dogs or friends in the area behind our home And of course the resulting trash and damage is difficult to witness

Irsquod love to be at the CCC meeting on July 16 to voice my experiences and support for a balanced solution However as I head a global division I travel quite a bit and will be in London during the meeting Is there an alternative method to voice comment or do you anticipate the ability to call in to these meetings

Moving forward if you do plan to build a committee that could have citizen representation my husband and I would be happy to serve Between the two of us we can certainly cover any meetings or duties and would intend on being active open and responsive to viewpoints from our community

Thank you for your work and innovative thinking I look forward to understanding how we can be more engaged

Sincerely

Kersten Sharrock

Montane Park Idaho Springs

Kersten Sharrock MS

Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Too close for comfort From Sandra Bowen ltbowensandragmailcomgt To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt Date 2013-07-10 1736 Keep hunting away from houses For crying out loud At least 1 mile or better Noise Safety Stop making the NRA such a big big place too Thanks -- Sandra Bowen

Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject Comments

Date 2013-06-19 0927

From Paul Weis ltpewmagrvhikercomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Please review the attached document for information on the problems with target shooting on public lands I have come close to being shot twice and that is two times too often I believe we have a very serious situation and it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by target shooters This is preventable Do we have to wait until it happens before we take decisive action thanks Paul E Weis Jr

ATTACHMENT

Wednesday - June 19 2013

I want to provide you with some ideas and information relevant to your project

In 1996 while hiking on an official Forest Service trail near Mt Herman in the Pike National Forest I came around a bend in the trail and could hear the bullets zipping through the brush around me Fortunately the shooters saw me and stopped before I was hit I wrote the District Ranger and the area was immediately closed to shooting

More recently I was nearly shot at Coulson Gulch in Arapaho National Forest A copy of my letter to the District Ranger is reproduced below She chose to defer all decisions until your project was completed Her response was less than satisfactory in that I believe immediate action is more than warranted at this location

It is my contention that the 2nd amendment is irrelevant to this discussion This is about public safety and stewardship of public lands The 2nd amendment gives no one the right to use firearms in a manner

that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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that endangers property or lives of other people In addition it gives no one the right to wantonly trash public property and the public lands

At the same time this is not a multiple use issue in fact unrestricted target shooting on all public lands is anathema to the multiple use concept Target shooting is a pre-emptive activity Once a parcel of land becomes a destination for target shooters that parcel and surrounding lands are no longer suitable for any other activity - recreational commercial or extractive Target shooting by its very nature precludes all other uses Any land used for target shooting necessarily becomes single-use

Current Forest Service rules prohibit shooting across roads but make no mention of shooting across trails The rules need to be revised to remedy this omission

Enough is enough It is time to close all Forest Service lands to target shooting except for specifically designated areas that provide a safe backstop Even these areas should all be probationary - meaning that if unsafe shooting practices occur the area will be shut down by simple administrative decree - no hearings or meetings necessary

Sincerely

Paul E Weis Jr

COPY OF LETTER TO Sylvia Clark

May 31 2013 4153 Plum Creek Dr Loveland CO 80538 Sylvia Clark - USFS Boulder District Ranger 2140 Yarmouth Ave Boulder CO 80301 Coulson Gulch trailhead

I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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I am writing to inform you of an unusually dangerous situation at the Coulson Gulch trailhead I request immediate action to resolve this situation Please respond to this letter with your plan of action for eliminating the dangers described herein Indiscriminate shooting at Coulson Gulch trailhead poses extreme danger to all persons in the area Friday May 24 2013 accompanied by my 13 year old nephew I ascended the Coulson Gulch trail from St Vrain Creek At 440 in the afternoon we were approximately 100 yards from the trailhead when it sounded like cannons were being fired Unable to see the source of the gunfire I advanced cautiously Then two young men shouted to us to continue walking they said it was safe and we were clear to proceed The two shooters were standing on the west ridge above the gulch They had hung targets to the east on a fallen pine tree The pine tree was next to the trail just 100 feet south of the main signboardkiosk They had no backstop other than the floor of the gulch adjacent to both sides of the trail The trail runs immediately behind their targets Thus they were shooting down into the gulch and directly across and along the trail

I was appalled and immediately advised them of the hazard they were creating They seemed to be oblivious to the existence of the trail even though the tree holding their targets was right next it One was so ignorant that he claimed that ldquoshooters have the right of wayrdquo The other fellow acknowledged that they should move their targets to a safer location The magnitude of the danger is clear from the number of vehicles parked at the trailhead gate There were 12 including myself I have listed the license plate numbers of all vehicles at the end of this letter During our hike we encountered 5 other parties who were hiking the Coulson Gulch trail and 3 parties engaged in shooting That is a total of 9 parties (including myself) six were hiking and three were shooting My party and one other hiking group included a young child This trail provides easy access through beautiful terrain to the spectacular canyon of St Vrain Creek It has evidently been ldquodiscoveredrdquo and is becoming increasingly popular with hikers The shooters I confronted were clearly endangering a significant number of people Without major intervention this problem will only exacerbate over time In June 2008 I did the same hike and was appalled by the mess created by shooters throughout this area The main signboardkiosk was totally shredded from gunfire The current replacement so far remains intact Not so for the redwhite striped reflective panels on the gates In 2008 they had been nearly obliterated The replacement is full of bullet holes Many sections of the steel gate feature bullet holes Half a mile in from US 36 on county road 118 there is a sign prohibiting shooting within one quarter mile of the road for the next 31 miles The sign has at least 14 bullet marks in it

Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Across from the kiosk is a telephone cable box with lettering begging people not to shoot it ldquoPlease do not use for target - live cable insiderdquo In 2008 it was peppered with more than 100 bullet marks Today the lettering is barely readable due to additional bullet holes Along the Johnny Park road are several campsites Much of the shooting occurs within 100 yards or less of these campsites one of which was occupied on my most recent hike The area is littered with orange shards of shattered clay pigeons The brown fiberglass USFS stake signs are routinely used as targets even when absolutely no backstop exists One such stake located about 100 yards up the Johnny Park road has been shot from both sides with no backstop in either direction Stakes in the upper meadow about 07 mile west on Johnny Park road were shredded they too had no backstop at all I found one steel fencepost next to a shredded stake just across the road from the kiosk that was chewed up by bullets Photos illustrating the situation are posted at wwwRVHikerinfo The trailhead and its immediate vicinity (including 4WD roads) are located on a ridge top Thus the topography offers few locations with useable safe backstops Within a quarter mile of the trailhead I could find only one site suitable for shooting It was obviously heavily used it had been thoroughly trashed Old targets had been left in place Broken glass and fragments of clay pigeons spent shell casings and assorted other litter and trash covered the area Given topography that renders Coulson Gulch trailhead wholly unsuitable for target shooting and the plethora of evidence demonstrating frequent large scale irresponsible and illegal shooting behavior at this location it would be naiumlve to assume that my experience was unique and that this type of endangerment is rare It may not be the norm but it is certainly commonplace

According to the Code of Federal Regulations (title 36) recreational shooting can take place on the National Forests and Grasslands as long as

1 You are at least 150 yards from a residence building campsite developed recreation area or occupied area

2 You are not shooting across or on a National Forest System Road or adjacent body of water

3 You are not shooting in any manner or place where any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge

4 You are not firing any tracer bullet or incendiary ammunition

There is no doubt that a significant portion of the shooting occurring at Coulson Gulch trailhead is blatantly in violation of the Federal Code of Regulations (36CFR 2616(a) 26111(b d) 29110(d)) In addition due to the prevalence of illegal unsafe shooting behavior at Coulson Gulch this area meets

the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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the criteria for a public nuisance so long as shooting continues to be permitted Does the Forest Service want to maintain a public nuisance on its property I hate to think of the liability and lawsuits that will ensue when someone is shot at this location - not to mention the human suffering of the victim friends and family Considering the facts I have just presented it appears inevitable that eventually someone will indeed be shot So the question really is quite simple Do we close Coulson Gulch to recreational shooting now or do we wait until someone is shot Prudence dictates that now is the appropriate time to expeditiously close this entire area to recreational shooting By the ldquoentire areardquo I mean

1 all land within one half mile of the Coulson Gulch trailhead 2 all land within one quarter mile of the first three miles of the Johnny Park road 3 all lands within one quarter mile of county road 118 (current sign needs to be

repairedimproved) 4 all lands within one quarter mile of the jeep roads in sections 1 and 36 connecting the

Coulson Gulch trailhead to county road 118 5 and all lands adjacent to the Coulson Gulch trail and the trail in St Vrain Creek

Perhaps a better way to define the needed closure would be to include all lands in sections 10 11 12 3 2 1 15 14 22 23 and 36 This may sound like an overly broad closure but if any of this land is left open the problem will simply shift to the areas where shooting is not prohibited Maintenance of public safety at all access points to Button Rock Mountain and St Vrain Creek as well as Coulson Gulch is essential Keep in mind that this is a public safety issue since there is no compelling reason to allow shooting at this particular location no compromise is reasonable or acceptable Please respond to this letter by June 11 2013 I want to know what you are doing to correct this situation and safeguard people using these National Forest lands In addition I can be reached at 970-635-3086 if I can be of further assistance in this matter Sincerely Paul E Weis Jr License number of all vehicles parked at the Coulson Gulch Trailhead at 445PM May 24 2013 Colorado 639-RNK

159-WSC 559-YCY 943-TJU 978-ONX 100-WSR 507-YPF 272-RYJ 780-XOR 951-ULN 329-EKZ - my plate number Wyoming 3-21935 CC Catherine Luna

Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Date 2013-07-25 1100

From Fel Cohen ltfel4cogmailcomgt

To infosportshootingpartnersorg

Hello Gary

Nice chatting with you today Per our request Ive provided my thoughts regarding shooting sports and the lack of public ranges on the Front Range

Please see the attached and feel free to contact me going forward

Sincerely

Felice

July 25 2013

Dear Gary

Thank you for taking the time to talk with me this morning Irsquod like to share some of my thoughts regarding sport shooting on the Front Range more specifically Boulder County of which I am a resident

I am a sport shooter both pistol and rifle and more recently I have completed the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor Course hence Irsquom now a NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor I took my class in Arizona through the Arizona Womenrsquos Shooting Association The range where we qualified Ben Avery Shooting Facility is amazing with over 1600 acres and run by Arizona Game and Fish Management

Here is a ldquoblurbrdquo from their website

ldquoOur world-class shooting range is a City of Phoenix Point of Pride It has received a Five Star rating from the National Association of Shooting Ranges This means that it is the best of the best at providing a quality recreation experience and is the first government facility to receive this designation Located on 1650 acres in north Phoenix the facility averages more than 120000 shooters per year The facility offers are wide array of target shooting opportunities This shootersrsquo paradise is home to a number of regional and national class competitions and other major events Ben Avery Shooting Facility is funded by the revenues generated by user fees and federal dollars appropriated through the Pittman-Robertson Act With extensive facilities the Ben Avery Shooting Facility offers a fun and safe environment for all of your shooting needs Men women and children ages 5 and older of all experience levels are welcome

Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Trained safety officers are on the firing line at all times to oversee safety and to offer informal coaching when neededrdquo

LINK to Ben Avery Shooting Facility

httpwwwazgfdgovoutdoor_recreationben_averyshtml

The largest growing demographic for shooting sports and self defense is women and after much research I have found that there are NO Public Ranges in Boulder County which would enable Instructors like me to teach safety and the basics of pistol shooting Itrsquos a shame in a great State like Colorado that public ranges do not generally exist

A public range would be able to provide for Range Safety Officers Classes and a safe clean environment for responsible citizens to shoot

The ability to shoot outdoors at a public range would provide residents access to this wonderful sport and hobby It would give Colorado residents the ability to enjoy the outdoors while protecting the environment Candidly I have never been shooting in our beautiful Mountains and do have concern about shooting in the Mountains with respect to the environment and lack of safety officers as not everyone is as responsible as they should or could be when it comes to firearm safety

While the ldquoPartersrdquo are discussing safe responsible and accessible recreational sport shooting Irsquod very much appreciate the consideration of my comments regarding this topic

Irsquod be happy to discuss further with you and the Partnerrsquos if requested

Sincelrey

Felice Cohen

NRA Certified Pistol Instructor

Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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Subject informational article about recreational shooting

Date 2013-07-10 1944

From donturnerllc ltdonturnerllccoxnetgt

To ltinfoSportShootingPartnersorggt

Cc Susan Recce ltSReccenrahqorggt

This was written after performing case studies of shooting issues along the front range in Colorado Full NRA report on this area with recommendations was provided to Boulder District Manager Report available from Boulder Ranger District USFS

Don Turner

Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 1 ldquoBehind The Curve Recreational Shooting on Public Lands in the Western United Statesrdquo by Don Turner Published in February 2009 issue of GUNWEEK It was a beautiful Christmas morning in 1955 Under the tree was the narrow and long boxed Christmas present that every red blooded American kid looks forhellipmy own Daisy Red Rider BB Gun Fortunately for me my Dad had his own ideas on how that new ldquofirearmrdquo was to be used as I quickly found out it in no uncertain terms that it was not another ldquotoyrdquo for my amusement After Christmas dinner Dad took the new BB gun some old Christmas tree light bulbs a brand new box of BBrsquos and me for a walk We placed the light bulbs on a cut bank in a desert wash which was on nearby federal land and so began my lesson in firearms responsibility safety safe backstops and respect for the land Before we left our newly utilized personal shooting area Dad had me pick up every little bit of glass and we carried it out for the trash can at home with the remark that ldquoif you brought take it out it isnrsquot your garbage dumprdquo My love of the shooting sports and respect for my father as a true conservationist began on that day Since that time I have fired countless amounts of ammo on government lands (city state and federal) enjoying recreational shooting There have been personal trips as well as outings with family and friends and later (repeating my first shooting experience) with Dad and his grand kids Recreational shooting is an interesting and entertaining sport Very few of us have the luxury to

be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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be able to use our firearms on our own property as we just canrsquot go out onto the street and throw a few rounds back and forth with our buddies Shooting ranges and shooting areas always belong to someone else so respect for and use of otherrsquos property is as much a component of recreational shooting as responsible firearms use As a recreational shooter a competitive shooter a game warden a public range manager a statewide shooting program manager and a NRA Range Technical Team Advisor (RTTA) specializing in public land shooting issues I have seen a dynamic shift in recreational shooting on public lands in the Western United States and not for the better From the settlement of the west until recently a person living in the western US could pretty well shoot anywhere one wanted as long as it was safe There was not much need for developed ranges except maybe near big cities But within the last 20 years things have begun to change all over the west From the Canadian Border to the Mexican Border the same pattern is emerging detrimental to the future of recreational shooting More and more governmental lands are being closed and fewer and fewer outdoor ranges are being built It is harder and harder to find a place to shoot anymore especially for us folks who live in a city Irsquod like to discuss what is happening and what we can do about it Because a majority of my experiences with recreational shooting on public lands has occurred in the west my observations and recommendations apply primarily to the Western United States Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 2 We must understand that outdoor shooting on public lands is a traditional western activity My experiences are typical of a common multigenerational history This traditional activity has taken place on vast areas of western land both private and government owned As recreational shooting is widely dispersed and is an individual or small group activity it has largely gone unnoticed both by the public and land management agencies During WWII the population of the United States was approximately 150 million today it is over 300 million This population expansion combined with a massive emigration to the west after WWII has accelerated the development of private land and the sales of some ldquosurplusrdquo governmental land especially lands under the management of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Western private land has experienced a historical housing boom Dense residential real estate development returns more money on investment than other diverse or less dense uses of land The west now has more people who have adopted the western life style which includes recreational shooting So at the same time some governmental lands are being sold to the private sector the private sector is building houses more new residents want to shoot Consequently there is less land and more demand Included within this western population are some who do not understand or appreciate the value and sanctity of otherrsquos personal property For whatever reason best left to sociologists and

psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

RECEIVEDCOUN7YCOMMISSIONERS OFFICE

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bull bull (~ ~ -L I _L TIM ~l4----_CohJceP(t~l~ effieoO(ampJ~u bullbull ~V~ S noo-n~ AiLflJ l e

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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psychologists they are not good stewards of the land They destroy the land both with their vehicles and with their trash ldquoPack it in pack it outrdquo is not their motto Unfortunately some also recreational shoot The evidence of their activity litters every accessible canyon and wash near all urban areas Sometimes someone elsersquos trash becomes their targets but they still do not pick it up when they are done ldquoenjoyingrdquo the outdoors Vandalism is not discussed in this paper because it is a criminal law enforcement issue not a recreational shooting issue Its causes and solutions do not apply to recreational shooting In a nutshell outdoor recreational shooting is a traditional western activity more people are moving to the west private land is developing into houses governmental land is shrinking more people are shooting shooting in outdoor areas is being concentrated less people have outdoor ethos and recreational shooting is no longer dispersed and unnoticed Governmental agencies are frequently closing their lands to recreational shooting because they cannot manage the perceived environmental damage ldquocreatedrdquo by recreational shooting They also do not have the funds or the motivation to provide for recreational shooting ldquoWhy is thatrdquo one may ask since they are responsible for ldquomulti use managementrdquo The answer is simplehellip in the late lsquo70s the federal government was legislated to complete land management planning programs Even though ldquomultiple userdquo was a required planning function recreational shooting was not part of the planning process The simple explanation is that at the time recreational shooting was of low volume dispersed and ldquounder the radarrdquo One of the truths about the government is if it ldquoainrsquot in the plan it ainrsquot fundedrdquo Since recreational shooting wasnrsquot planned because it was unnoticed there isnrsquot any money in the budget for recreational shooting So in the mind of a government land manager if an activity is causing you a problem and you donrsquot have the budget to manage it eliminate it by closing the area Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 3 In the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of acres of public lands have been closed to recreational shooting throughout the west and the proposals to close additional acres are escalating Public hearings are being held all over the west to discuss what to do with recreational shooting and the only current tool is ldquoclose the areardquo Consequently recreational shooting is way behind the planning and budgeting curve Building and operating shooting ranges is an expensive endeavor If you were a private investor wanting to have a ldquohigh return on your investmentrdquo you would not consider operating a shooting range Yoursquod make more money building and selling houses Most outdoor recreational shooters are unorganized ldquoplinkersrdquo and do not participate in formal organized shooting competitions They are very happy having an old ldquogravel pitrdquo to shoot in A misunderstanding by land managers is the nature and type of recreational shooting There is no standard definition of recreation shooting areas and no analysis of the amount of recreational shooting being produced on public lands This leads to confusion when issues are being discussed and solutions proposed It also contributes to poor identification of establishing priorities between competing land users Because there is no standard for discussion and no

standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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standard for determining recreational shooting use there is no common ground for inventory planning discussions or solution development To help solve this issue the following definitions are proposed for use in discussing recreational shooting areas for use in land management planning DISPERSED RECREATIONAL SHOOTING is random shooting on public lands This may occur when one stops to sight in a hunting rifle throw a few clay birds with the kids shoot at cans from an off road campsite etc UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are those areas which attract recreational shooters through tradition backstops accessibility to roadways etc The familiar ldquogravel pitrdquo is a good example These areas produce a large amount of recreational shooting but are unregulated and undeveloped Many of the ldquoreasonsrdquo for public land closures are due to these popular sites DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREAS are areas where the land management agency has made some improvements to the area and post andor advertise them as a site for recreational shooting they are unsupervised and may have some minimal management such as trash pick up Many governmental agencies mistakenly designate these ldquoshooting rangesrdquo DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGES are developed and supervised areas designed and operated for recreational shooting For the rest of this paper shooting range means this definition Due to its size remoteness and availability citizens planning recreational shooting areas turn to land management agencies for shooting range sites There are several ways government can provide land for shooting ranges they can lease the land to a club or organization they can sell the land to another governmental agency to operate a shooting range or they can operate a shooting range themselves Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 4 There are many shooting ranges throughout the west that are leased to clubs and organizations Frequently these are non-profit clubs Unfortunately years ago when the leases were obtained urbanization was not a problem so the governmental agency leased the land on their borders Over time the march of houses has forced many of these ranges to close as they did not have enough buffers to protect them from encroachment Complicating matters the environmental ldquored herringrdquo of ldquofear of leadrdquo has caused agency attorneys to recommend to their governmental agencies that they no longer lease land for ranges as they are afraid of ldquoliabilityrdquo issues The bottom line is that a significant number of governmental leased ranges are closed or are threatened with closure and no new leases are being offered Federal land management agencies may sell their land to other governmental agencies to operate shooting ranges This has occurred in a few places but the process is long and drawn out and if successful may take 5 to 10 years to accomplish the transfer In the two land sales that I have been directly involved in neither has been successful Congress can transfer the land to another agency to develop and operate This is extremely rare but Congress did transfer 2900 acres of BLM land to Clark County after the citizens had worked

with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

RECEIVEDCOUN7YCOMMISSIONERS OFFICE

JUL 1 0 2013~ece-+1 (uJJ L ~ -t-vz ~eWJ P1Q y ~~rayc_ bullbull _

bull bull (~ ~ -L I _L TIM ~l4----_CohJceP(t~l~ effieoO(ampJ~u bullbull ~V~ S noo-n~ AiLflJ l e

e Lou +( middot It~I~vuJ _ ~ izR 0- Tbull~l~-gtJ Pampmiddot gt ~t~_ f ~ ~~VQ- ~amp_~y- __Lto -1flAtIJ __ t)~ ~1- ~tgtvse_

ouUildL vgtL~L~_Y) ~~le o_f (Dv-+~__~_cR bull bt_~_ A

h~ cewv~Jl vje( t-JA-LD~ ~tfesf_ 1ke ve__ AI~~V~~- ~_~_~k~_~_ -_~op~_~~2 ~_i2- he ~ ~~~~-+~t ~~_ o-ve-_ h~_ yen~t-)Q~2amp__SQlktAldo~~-rpoundov~_ L bull ke_o _ _ ___ -~--- -1M1 ~rl~tJ __~ e SQ-fpoundT~a~_~Je ~Q lt~-no_

-- ~ --- _~

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Yo-~ e r~4- ~ ~~ Ve fJZUe of- -the- ~o ~~~

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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with BLM for over 25 years to try to develop a public shooting range near Las Vegas without success The land management agency can develop manage and operate its own shooting range This is also rare Several game and fish agencies and parks departments (state and county) do however own and operate their own ranges throughout the western states When a range is being considered the competitive (event) shooters are the most organized and motivated and generally support the range development plan for their specific sport Consequently they drive the discussion as to what features should be included in the shooting range The non-event participants comprise a majority of the shooters but they tend not to participate in the development process and are not organized So an organization or club who plans on developing a shooting range must consider both groups even though one may not be represented This is especially critical as the unrepresented group produces most of the shooting use days Ranges need to be designed to provide as much positive cash flow as possible The inclusion of the ability to provide campsites retail services or other revenue generation sources adds to the profitability and helps keep shooting fees lower There are three ways to make a shooting area safe by physical features by supervision or a combination of both A supervised shooting range (designated shooting range) is the safest place to shoot However unsupervised ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo should be developed and offered on public lands It has been my experience that most recreational shooting not on shooting ranges are by family groups We should develop a family sized shooting bay template This could be used to determine the suitability of a Designated Shooting Area for development that will provide lateral berms and backstops that will allow for safe unsupervised family type shooting experiences Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 5 So what does the future look like Under present trends there will be a significant decline in recreational shooting as shooting areas are eliminated and the frustration level grows to where there is no place to shoot and therefore no reason to own firearms Obviously this is unacceptable but what is being done about it The National Shooting Sports Roundtable has been formed to address this issue It is comprised of representatives of federal state county governments and non-governmental organizations They have been discussing many issues and solutions They do not have rule or policymaking authority but they do make recommendations to their agencies and organizations Based on my experiences in this area the following steps to protect and grow our shooting heritage are recommended bull Recreational Shooters that donrsquot participate in competitions must become organized and participate in government decision-making Agencies must solicit public input but when they do comments and participants from recreational shooters are sparse or completely absent bull Recreational shooting and shooting organizations must establish and promote a positive land

ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

RECEIVEDCOUN7YCOMMISSIONERS OFFICE

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ouUildL vgtL~L~_Y) ~~le o_f (Dv-+~__~_cR bull bt_~_ A

h~ cewv~Jl vje( t-JA-LD~ ~tfesf_ 1ke ve__ AI~~V~~- ~_~_~k~_~_ -_~op~_~~2 ~_i2- he ~ ~~~~-+~t ~~_ o-ve-_ h~_ yen~t-)Q~2amp__SQlktAldo~~-rpoundov~_ L bull ke_o _ _ ___ -~--- -1M1 ~rl~tJ __~ e SQ-fpoundT~a~_~Je ~Q lt~-no_

-- ~ --- _~

-Re ~~L~ sClfer-1 lpoundl uz~ f b~ eJt ~f (~b~~l c~ --rAvel 1- o~ Jtgt ~~J ~(l~efcC2)

-tJZtL eJ2 ~Ve CAtIAt shovl6) be ~ fA-~~~e~Ate reJ~U2J -GcJ2~~ bull~ ~OJe fbU~~r l+ so- t4-t tv~AS l~

Yo-~ e r~4- ~ ~~ Ve fJZUe of- -the- ~o ~~~

vviue- ~ ~~Gtr f-euroole j ~cgto-t ~tr~ Cgtfte ~~ -e~V QWJ ~t V~Ltt VI A~~ Me lAe ( w~~Ll eve -ob~e--- sp~e ~) ~~ azttl~ 1tlJe --b bull~amp-t (Jeot 0 f eAt shoT Cgt f erieuro VetiampQ(QJ $ ~o~

eo Ir 0 c4~ ~~ te ~ lee bull

I b 11 lL-vi~Jl~-febull- RcQ N~ Qamp1raquo 1b b

From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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ethos which includes leaving their shooting areas clean bull Land managers shooting organizations and the shooting community must adopt common definations to identify the various types of recreational shooting areas This is critical for resource inventory issue identification and the development of meaningful objectives bull Land Management Agencies must include recreational shooting in their land management plans This has to be accomplished by legislation or executive order Without this there is no budget ldquoNo budgetrdquo means no money no money includes resources manpower and interest So we must ask for legislation to include recreational shooting into land management planning bull A template for a safe family oriented shooting area (shooting bay) must be developed to be used by land managers to determine the suitability of a piece of property for the establishment of a safe ldquodesignated shooting areardquo bull Federal and State attorneyrsquos attitudes and advice regarding lead and environmental management of shooting ranges must be changed A strategy needs to be developed to counter their misdirection to land managers bull Land Managers must be ldquoencouragedrdquo to allow leases of public land for shooting ranges These areas must have enough land provided with the lease to allow for a buffer to protect from encroachment Ideally these lands will no longer be on the edges of governmental lands but internal to provide protection from future development bull Shooters pay for wildlife funding through a federal tax on guns ammo and other products These funds are available to state game and fish agencies for wildlife management A mechanism should be developed that allows any public agency developing a shooting range to be able to utilize some of these funds for shooting ranges bull Each state through its parks or department of natural resource agency should prepare a statewide strategic plan for the development of recreational shooting areas and ranges This strategic plan would identify areas that are suitable for future ldquodesignated shooting rangesrdquo or ldquodesignated shooting areasrdquo and would also identify areas where shooting opportunities are lacking Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 6 In summary public lands are your lands and recreational shooting is a valid multiple use of public lands that is not planned for Shooters should be good stewards of public lands and insist on recreational shooting being included and managed as part of a multiple use recreational management plan Shooters need to do their part as well being involved in the planningmanagement process by respecting public lands and keeping them clean and by insisting their friends do the same Failure to do so will result in the current trend continuing until there are very few places left to shoot Itrsquos your choice Don Turner is an NRA Range Technical Team Advisor assigned to public land shooting issues and serves on the executive committee of the National Association of Shooting Ranges a division of NSSF He managed the AZ Statewide Shooting Range Program the Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Phoenix and is now developing the Clark County Shooting Park in Las Vegas AN UNDESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND

(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

RECEIVEDCOUN7YCOMMISSIONERS OFFICE

JUL 1 0 2013~ece-+1 (uJJ L ~ -t-vz ~eWJ P1Q y ~~rayc_ bullbull _

bull bull (~ ~ -L I _L TIM ~l4----_CohJceP(t~l~ effieoO(ampJ~u bullbull ~V~ S noo-n~ AiLflJ l e

e Lou +( middot It~I~vuJ _ ~ izR 0- Tbull~l~-gtJ Pampmiddot gt ~t~_ f ~ ~~VQ- ~amp_~y- __Lto -1flAtIJ __ t)~ ~1- ~tgtvse_

ouUildL vgtL~L~_Y) ~~le o_f (Dv-+~__~_cR bull bt_~_ A

h~ cewv~Jl vje( t-JA-LD~ ~tfesf_ 1ke ve__ AI~~V~~- ~_~_~k~_~_ -_~op~_~~2 ~_i2- he ~ ~~~~-+~t ~~_ o-ve-_ h~_ yen~t-)Q~2amp__SQlktAldo~~-rpoundov~_ L bull ke_o _ _ ___ -~--- -1M1 ~rl~tJ __~ e SQ-fpoundT~a~_~Je ~Q lt~-no_

-- ~ --- _~

-Re ~~L~ sClfer-1 lpoundl uz~ f b~ eJt ~f (~b~~l c~ --rAvel 1- o~ Jtgt ~~J ~(l~efcC2)

-tJZtL eJ2 ~Ve CAtIAt shovl6) be ~ fA-~~~e~Ate reJ~U2J -GcJ2~~ bull~ ~OJe fbU~~r l+ so- t4-t tv~AS l~

Yo-~ e r~4- ~ ~~ Ve fJZUe of- -the- ~o ~~~

vviue- ~ ~~Gtr f-euroole j ~cgto-t ~tr~ Cgtfte ~~ -e~V QWJ ~t V~Ltt VI A~~ Me lAe ( w~~Ll eve -ob~e--- sp~e ~) ~~ azttl~ 1tlJe --b bull~amp-t (Jeot 0 f eAt shoT Cgt f erieuro VetiampQ(QJ $ ~o~

eo Ir 0 c4~ ~~ te ~ lee bull

I b 11 lL-vi~Jl~-febull- RcQ N~ Qamp1raquo 1b b

From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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(unsupervised and unmanaged) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 7 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING AREA ON US FOREST SERVICE LAND (unsupervised) Behind the Curve Recreational Shooting On Public Lands in the Western United States Don Turner January 2009 8 A DESIGNATED SHOOTING RANGE ON CITY LAND (supervised by local gun club)

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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From Walt KramarzTo Sanfacon GarryCc Boulder County Board of Commissioners andyschultheissmailhousegov Haverfield Carrie james_thompsonbennetsenategov Claire Levy christinebergmailhousegov RollieHeathaolcom

ekirbyfsfedus Catherine Luna Ford Tom bigspringsneighborhoodyahoogroupscom Hullinghorst Bob Clark G -FS botnederlandcoorg gcasamassafsfedus eperaultfsfedusSubject Target Shooting CommentsDate Saturday August 10 2013 121147 PM

Dear Mr Sanfacon Thanks to you the US Forest Service the offices of Senator Michael Bennet and Representative Jared Polis the Townof Nederland (especially Mayor Joe Gierlach and Trustee Randy Lee) and our County Commissioners for the resolve to transparently andcomprehensively address the hobbysport of target shooting on public lands -- the hobbysport which uniquely causes danger healthimpairment and misery to non-participants

I was unable due to attend the recent public meeting due to a schedule conflict Please accept my comments via this email

1 Hobbysports be they mountain biking trail running or target shooting should never trump the basic right to the safe and reasonableuse of ones home So citizens should not have to experience what has (until recently) historically occurred to taxpaying citizens here inNederland

near miss incidents from stray or deflectedricocheted bullets

the need to wear heavy duty industrial earplugs inside or outside their homes

the need to keep their windows closed in the summer due to the gunfire blasts

be prevented from meditating or praying in their own homes

have their home studio art show disrupted by sonic blasts

be reduced to tears anxiety and severe mental distress due to the inescapable sonicwaterboarding

refraining from outdoor picnics grilling entertaining or family activities due to mercilessgunfire blasts

suffering medically significant injury from chronic noise pollution exposure

holiday cannonades including on Christmas Morning New Years Day and Easter Sunday

All of those impacts due to a single hobbysport Seriously If birdwatching or mountain biking was inflicting this harm we would not evenbe having these discussions

The California State University Center for Collaborative Policys Candy Rock Quarry Target Shooting Neutral Assessment completed for theCalaveras Ranger District Stanislaus National Forest (Feb 24 2011) especially makes the point on noise pollution

Through the research of Lisa Goines RM and Louis Hagler MD as reported in Noise Pollution A Modern PlagueWHO Guidelines the authors state

The potential health effects of noise pollution are numerous pervasive persistent and medically and sociallysignificant Noise produces direct and cumulative adverse effects that impair health and that degrade residentialsocial working and learning environments with corresponding real (economic) and intangible (well-being) losses Itinterferes with sleep concentration communication and recreation The aim of enlightened governmental controlsshould be to protect citizens from the adverse effects of airborne pollution including those produced by noise Peoplehave the right to choose the nature of their acoustical environment it should not be imposed by others

Stakeholder comments from CRFU members describe the repetitive impulse noise from shooting as being relentless atall hours of the day and night disruptive of social activities depriving of sleep and a noise from which there is noescape within their yards or homes The noise is described as being no longer tolerable and to the point ofcontributing towards the loss of emotional and physical health [Emphasis added]

2 Nor should one hobbysport displace other forms of recreation in designated multiple use areas Target shooting does precisely thatdiscouraging and driving away other hobbysport participants due to the inherent noise pollution and safety threats to non-participants

3 Target shooting is a hobbysport that uniquely intrudes and imposes itself on nonparticipants Unlike most other hobbysports targetshooting involves sonic blasts audible sometimes a mile or more away and potentially lethal bullets that can land well over a mile from theshooting area The same cant be said for participants in horseback riding hiking biking trail running bird watching or kayaking amongother hobbysports The rider who falls off their bike possibly hurts themselves not the horseback rider or homeowner 1000 yards away

4 This is not a Second Amendment issue The proposition that target shooting cannot be subject to reasonable time place and mannerrestrictions is legally laughable This is however most definitely a private property rights issue a public mental health issue a public safetyissue a lead remediation issue and a recreational conflicts issue Keep in mind also for anyone claiming gun rights infringement thatnumerous free market alternative target shooting venues are available throughoutColorado httpwildlifestatecousHuntingShootingRangesPagesGoogleRangesaspx

5 For one example of a common sense guide to target shooting site locationscriteria and managementseehttpwwwciehorguploadedFilesCorePolicyPublications_and_information_servicesPolicy_publicationsPublicationsClayShootingCoPpdf (see eg pp 12-13 references to 15 kilometer buffer zones)

With those frames I suggest

A Allocation of all available public monies towards siting designing and constructing high quality target shooting areas These should beclean facilities that target shooters will actually want to go to That includes a minimum distancebuffer zone of one mile from any townborder or inhabited residence All other public landincluding within that buffer zone must be closed to all target shooting formal orinformal

Otherwise its a heads I win tails you lose outcome Properly sited designed and managed shooting areas should be made available Atthe same time notorious toxic blights otherwise known as informal shooting areas must be permanently closed and environmentallyremediated to eliminate what are likely tons of hazardous waste (including lead bullets and shot and electronic waste from televisions andother electronic devices which are commonly illegally used as shooting targets) left at or near the soil surfaces

B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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B The managed shooting areas must be supervised and subject to reasonable hours of operation caliber restrictions (no high poweredrifles assault guns) and at least one weekend day of closure (see for example Candy Rock QuarryStanislaus National Forest limitations) Reasonable hours is not dawn to dusk And the Rambo wannabe behaviors weve seen on unsupervised public lands would never fly fora second at professional shooting ranges like the Boulder Rifle Club-- an excellent example of what could potentially be replicated on publiclands Public lands should no longer be the default sacrifice zones for hell-raiser behavior

Ive often thought to myself if I knew that my chosen hobbysports were causing that much misery and danger to nonparticipants letalone my own neighbors you would not have to ask me to stop Id stop on my own and find a better place to recreate even if it meantdriving a distance to get there Golden Rule Ive heard said Not anachronistic thinking I hope

Thanks again for your attention and consideration

Walt KramarzNederland CO

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