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Arcane Radio - James A. Willis - Paranormal Researcher _ Author - Arcane Radio_WSdxcq38iB8- transcript (automated).txt[25/11/2019 23:25:52]
100:00:04,230 --> 00:00:10,570the oldest and strongest human emotion
200:00:07,599 --> 00:00:13,868is fear and the oldest and strongest
300:00:10,570 --> 00:00:17,289type of fear this trepidation of young
400:00:13,868 --> 00:00:21,759men when we were children our parents
500:00:17,289 --> 00:00:26,279told us that monsters didn't exist but
600:00:21,759 --> 00:00:26,278we were sure as something is lurking
700:00:26,879 --> 00:00:34,920beer seeds even if our eyes are closed
800:00:31,219 --> 00:00:37,950welcome to the realm of your king my
900:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,800name is lon stripper join me as I
1000:00:37,950 --> 00:00:45,140examine unexplained creatures strange
1100:00:40,799 --> 00:00:48,479manifestations and remarkable realities
1200:00:45,140 --> 00:00:51,750imagine this next hour as a voyage of
1300:00:48,479 --> 00:00:54,869discovery to strange lands seeking not
1400:00:51,750 --> 00:00:57,899for new territory but for new knowledge
Arcane Radio - James A. Willis - Paranormal Researcher _ Author - Arcane Radio_WSdxcq38iB8- transcript (automated).txt[25/11/2019 23:25:52]
1500:00:54,869 --> 00:01:00,849of the supernatural come on board as we
1600:00:57,899 --> 00:01:04,149begin this adventure together
1700:01:00,850 --> 00:01:04,149[Music]
1800:01:10,810 --> 00:01:16,070hey folks good evening and welcome to
1900:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,259another episode of arcane radio where we
2000:01:16,069 --> 00:01:20,059explore the unexplained here on the
2100:01:18,259 --> 00:01:22,519paranormal king radio network
2200:01:20,060 --> 00:01:24,920I'm your host lawn Strickler coming to
2300:01:22,519 --> 00:01:27,069you with gonna cannon shot of historic
2400:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,629Gettysburg in the cryptid mecca of
2500:01:27,069 --> 00:01:32,929Pennsylvania thank you for joining me
2600:01:29,629 --> 00:01:34,519now before I begin with my guests I want
2700:01:32,929 --> 00:01:37,780to read a short account that I was
2800:01:34,519 --> 00:01:40,908reached that was recently forward to me
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00:01:37,780 --> 00:01:42,379the the writer states I grew up in the
3000:01:40,909 --> 00:01:44,359Appalachian Mountains
3100:01:42,379 --> 00:01:47,269completely rural in the Tennessee Valley
3200:01:44,359 --> 00:01:48,950community my house was surrounded by
3300:01:47,269 --> 00:01:52,968forested mountains now when I was about
3400:01:48,950 --> 00:01:54,84914 my dad started to hear strange sounds
3500:01:52,968 --> 00:01:57,199coming from the hills behind our house
3600:01:54,849 --> 00:01:59,270knocking sounds as if something was
3700:01:57,200 --> 00:02:03,140hitting a tree in the occasional unhuman
3800:01:59,269 --> 00:02:05,118Yelp my dog a rough and tough outside
3900:02:03,140 --> 00:02:08,269boy was very drawn to these hills at
4000:02:05,118 --> 00:02:10,008random times his ears would shoot up he
4100:02:08,269 --> 00:02:12,799quickly run up through the forest and
4200:02:10,008 --> 00:02:15,619stay for a while him going up into the
4300:02:12,799 --> 00:02:18,620
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hills wasn't uncommon but at the time he
4400:02:15,620 --> 00:02:21,289started acting peculiar suspicious about
4500:02:18,620 --> 00:02:24,259them and don't worry nothing happens to
4600:02:21,289 --> 00:02:26,780him in this story well anyways the noise
4700:02:24,259 --> 00:02:29,030started become more frequent my brother
4800:02:26,780 --> 00:02:31,370and his friend used to hunt for ginseng
4900:02:29,030 --> 00:02:33,259up in the hills and they heard the
5000:02:31,370 --> 00:02:36,469noises too much louder of course since
5100:02:33,259 --> 00:02:38,899they were near the source and the one
5200:02:36,469 --> 00:02:41,120day the noises wouldn't stop they
5300:02:38,900 --> 00:02:42,739progressed louder and louder and and
5400:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,200there was growling as well
5500:02:42,739 --> 00:02:48,349my brother was pretty much sick of it by
5600:02:45,199 --> 00:02:51,439now and wanted to know what was up there
5700:02:48,348 --> 00:02:53,568after about a year of wandering it's
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5800:02:51,439 --> 00:02:55,669evening time about to get dark so he
5900:02:53,568 --> 00:02:59,268takes his flashlight and shotgun and
6000:02:55,669 --> 00:03:01,489heads up the hills he sees a creature
6100:02:59,269 --> 00:03:04,159that looked like what he said could have
6200:03:01,489 --> 00:03:06,049been a sasquatch it was tall broad
6300:03:04,159 --> 00:03:08,959shoulders wider than his torso
6400:03:06,049 --> 00:03:12,200he saw its silhouette because the dark
6500:03:08,959 --> 00:03:14,000that came he chased it off came back to
6600:03:12,199 --> 00:03:16,369the house and told me what happened and
6700:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,128drew a sketch of what it looked like and
6800:03:16,370 --> 00:03:20,000the noise has stopped after that day and
6900:03:19,128 --> 00:03:22,908never came back
7000:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,389and to this day we're still committed
7100:03:22,908 --> 00:03:27,049for
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7200:03:23,389 --> 00:03:31,068around here I've been getting a lot of
7300:03:27,050 --> 00:03:33,920stories from eastern Tennessee last
7400:03:31,068 --> 00:03:35,629couple of weeks in you know some older
7500:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,599stories but there's been a lot going on
7600:03:35,629 --> 00:03:41,060up there as well so um you know when I
7700:03:38,599 --> 00:03:43,489get them I post them so let's get
7800:03:41,060 --> 00:03:45,439started with the show tonight
7900:03:43,490 --> 00:03:48,860I welcome paranormal researcher author
8000:03:45,439 --> 00:03:51,889James a wills to arcane radio now in
8100:03:48,860 --> 00:03:54,5901999 after spending 115 years chasing
8200:03:51,889 --> 00:03:57,799after ghosts and visiting crybaby
8300:03:54,590 --> 00:04:01,280bridges Willis moved to Ohio and found
8400:03:57,800 --> 00:04:03,830founded the office ghost of Ohio's ghost
8500:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,979of House dot-org a nationally recognized
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00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:08,750paranormal research organization Willis
8700:04:06,979 --> 00:04:10,789has grown the organization to well over
8800:04:08,750 --> 00:04:13,15935 members and three divisions
8900:04:10,789 --> 00:04:14,150throughout the state Columbus Cleveland
9000:04:13,159 --> 00:04:17,060and Cincinnati
9100:04:14,150 --> 00:04:20,660James has written 14 books including six
9200:04:17,060 --> 00:04:22,790titles in the weird US series assault
9300:04:20,660 --> 00:04:24,560after public speaker Willis has given
9400:04:22,790 --> 00:04:27,140presentations throughout the United
9500:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,970States during which he has educated and
9600:04:27,139 --> 00:04:31,909entertained tens of thousands of people
9700:04:28,970 --> 00:04:35,450of all ages and crowd sizes ranging from
9800:04:31,910 --> 00:04:37,75010 to well over 600 he has also been
9900:04:35,449 --> 00:04:41,899featured in more than 75 media sources
10000:04:37,750 --> 00:04:45,110
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including CNN USA Midwest living the
10100:04:41,899 --> 00:04:47,209Canadian press and others so James
10200:04:45,110 --> 00:04:49,160thanks for joining me this evening it is
10300:04:47,209 --> 00:04:51,949my pleasure thank you for having me
10400:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,630god it's great to talk to you I you you
10500:04:51,949 --> 00:04:55,939know you and I were discussing we've
10600:04:53,629 --> 00:04:57,620never met never talked before which
10700:04:55,939 --> 00:05:00,110seems weird because we've kind of been
10800:04:57,620 --> 00:05:02,418in this for a long time each yeah
10900:05:00,110 --> 00:05:04,040exactly right I guess the the strange
11000:05:02,418 --> 00:05:05,569powers that be don't want us getting
11100:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,410together and letting their secrets out
11200:05:05,569 --> 00:05:10,538or something
11300:05:06,410 --> 00:05:12,140yeah so you know you sent me a list of
11400:05:10,538 --> 00:05:14,719you're like me
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11500:05:12,139 --> 00:05:16,759eclectic paranormal investigator you
11600:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,560kind of look into everything yeah they
11700:05:16,759 --> 00:05:21,129call me weird Willis for short so I
11800:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,769guess that covers everything that way
11900:05:21,129 --> 00:05:27,560Wow let's go ahead and start off with
12000:05:23,769 --> 00:05:29,389hauntings ghosts and such tell us a bit
12100:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,259about what you cronic will do in the
12200:05:29,389 --> 00:05:38,689ears and some of the better hauntings in
12300:05:33,259 --> 00:05:42,259the state Ohio Wow yeah that'll
12400:05:38,689 --> 00:05:44,750yeah I am I've actually been I was born
12500:05:42,259 --> 00:05:47,420and raised in upstate New York and I mu
12600:05:44,750 --> 00:05:50,779I got involved with ghosts organizations
12700:05:47,420 --> 00:05:52,009way back when in the 1980s when they
12800:05:50,779 --> 00:05:56,029didn't even really call them ghost
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12900:05:52,009 --> 00:05:59,269organizations and it wasn't until 1999
13000:05:56,029 --> 00:06:02,089when I moved to Ohio that originally I
13100:05:59,269 --> 00:06:05,569was just going to try to join a group
13200:06:02,089 --> 00:06:09,549but there were I think three other our
13300:06:05,569 --> 00:06:12,199existing ghost organizations in Ohio so
13400:06:09,550 --> 00:06:13,879we really didn't seem like we meshed and
13500:06:12,199 --> 00:06:15,170I was sort of naive and arrogant enough
13600:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,480to say oh I'm going to start my own
13700:06:15,170 --> 00:06:20,870group so that's when I started the ghost
13800:06:17,480 --> 00:06:23,390of Ohio and I guess we just celebrated
13900:06:20,870 --> 00:06:27,170our 20th anniversary so we've been going
14000:06:23,389 --> 00:06:29,329strong ever since then I guess the bulk
14100:06:27,170 --> 00:06:32,449of the work that we do is with regard to
14200:06:29,329 --> 00:06:35,209private residences private businesses
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00:06:32,449 --> 00:06:37,810and as well as we go out to sort of the
14400:06:35,209 --> 00:06:39,069the bigger sort of I guess public
14500:06:37,810 --> 00:06:42,350pay-to-play
14600:06:39,069 --> 00:06:45,769haunted places not only in Ohio but also
14700:06:42,350 --> 00:06:47,360through the Midwest but so of course I
14800:06:45,769 --> 00:06:48,799guess the first thing that pops in my
14900:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,600mind is that you know like Mansfield
15000:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,360reformatory I've been there many times
15100:06:50,600 --> 00:06:57,200over the years and that's a place that
15200:06:53,360 --> 00:06:59,540never really fails to sort of deliver if
15300:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,849you will I always have to caveat that by
15400:06:59,540 --> 00:07:03,590saying it won't deliver in terms of what
15500:07:01,850 --> 00:07:07,280you'd expect from like a ghost reality
15600:07:03,589 --> 00:07:10,819show I wish it was that easy but yeah
15700:07:07,279 --> 00:07:13,039
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we've been there six times at least
15800:07:10,819 --> 00:07:15,980probably even more than that and have
15900:07:13,040 --> 00:07:20,150gotten everything from unexplained
16000:07:15,980 --> 00:07:22,640voices footsteps the shadow figures
16100:07:20,149 --> 00:07:24,409those sort of things so that's one of
16200:07:22,639 --> 00:07:27,199the places that sort of pops in right
16300:07:24,410 --> 00:07:31,970off the bat that I really enjoy visiting
16400:07:27,199 --> 00:07:35,599in Ohio when you do investigations what
16500:07:31,970 --> 00:07:38,360exactly do you do as a group that's a
16600:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,490great question because over the years we
16700:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,100have kind of I guess I should say that
16800:07:40,490 --> 00:07:45,819what I did when I started the
16900:07:43,100 --> 00:07:49,189organization is I sort of hand-picked
17000:07:45,819 --> 00:07:50,899the members as they joined and I wanted
17100:07:49,189 --> 00:07:53,629to have a team
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17200:07:50,899 --> 00:07:57,679that ran the full gamut from total
17300:07:53,629 --> 00:08:00,110believer to total skeptic and the reason
17400:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,509I wanted to do that was so that when we
17500:08:00,110 --> 00:08:05,870got what could be deemed as evidence be
17600:08:02,509 --> 00:08:08,029an audio video what have you I could
17700:08:05,870 --> 00:08:09,379then sort of throw that evidence in the
17800:08:08,029 --> 00:08:11,419middle of the room and we would all
17900:08:09,379 --> 00:08:13,009fight over it you know because the
18000:08:11,420 --> 00:08:15,050skeptics would be saying that's nothing
18100:08:13,009 --> 00:08:17,719that's nothing the believers everything
18200:08:15,050 --> 00:08:19,759was a ghost and what I was looking for
18300:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,610was at the end of the day when we were
18400:08:19,759 --> 00:08:25,039done arguing if we could walk away by
18500:08:22,610 --> 00:08:27,530saying I don't know what that is or we
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18600:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,760can't explain it it wasn't these 20
18700:08:27,529 --> 00:08:31,789different things so as of right now
18800:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,169that's unexplainable not to say we
18900:08:31,790 --> 00:08:35,180couldn't explain to further down the
19000:08:33,169 --> 00:08:38,149line but that's what I was looking for
19100:08:35,179 --> 00:08:40,279things that we could not explain so when
19200:08:38,149 --> 00:08:42,350we go out to do investigations I mean
19300:08:40,279 --> 00:08:45,559obviously it would vary depending on how
19400:08:42,350 --> 00:08:47,930big the location was as well as the the
19500:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,839type of activity that is being reported
19600:08:47,929 --> 00:08:52,699and then I sort of mix and match the
19700:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,120people that'll come with me I might pair
19800:08:52,700 --> 00:08:59,600up a skeptic with a believer and see how
19900:08:56,120 --> 00:09:03,649that works or if there's a place where a
200
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00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:06,200lot of people are reporting you know
20100:09:03,649 --> 00:09:07,490being touched or or you know having
20200:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,830interaction with spirits
20300:09:07,490 --> 00:09:12,169I might sort of stack my paranormal deck
20400:09:09,830 --> 00:09:13,940and bring several members that might be
20500:09:12,169 --> 00:09:17,569sensitive to see if we can pick up on
20600:09:13,940 --> 00:09:19,970that so yeah it's a lot of mix and
20700:09:17,570 --> 00:09:21,470matching that goes into play whenever
20800:09:19,970 --> 00:09:23,899we're sort of setting these things up
20900:09:21,470 --> 00:09:26,410and especially with our private
21000:09:23,899 --> 00:09:30,110investigations of the private residences
21100:09:26,409 --> 00:09:32,929those are usually ongoing so it will
21200:09:30,110 --> 00:09:34,250allow us to sort of go in and not think
21300:09:32,929 --> 00:09:36,919that okay this is going to be a one-shot
21400:09:34,250 --> 00:09:39,080
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deal and we're done so we will go out
21500:09:36,919 --> 00:09:41,870several times and sometimes I'll keep
21600:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,820constants where each person stays the
21700:09:41,870 --> 00:09:46,490same that goes out but I might mix that
21800:09:43,820 --> 00:09:49,610up as well and the same goes for the
21900:09:46,490 --> 00:09:53,120types of equipment we've over the years
22000:09:49,610 --> 00:09:56,419have gone from being total equipment
22100:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,970based you know multiple SUVs stocked to
22200:09:56,419 --> 00:10:01,399the gills with equipment and then we'll
22300:09:58,970 --> 00:10:03,170sit down and go you know what there
22400:10:01,399 --> 00:10:04,709could be a ghost behind us but we're so
22500:10:03,169 --> 00:10:06,750busy focused on the mana
22600:10:04,710 --> 00:10:08,580that we don't even see it's standing
22700:10:06,750 --> 00:10:12,120behind us so then we'll go the other way
22800:10:08,580 --> 00:10:14,670and go totally basic maybe just a couple
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22900:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,860of digital recorders and set up the DVR
23000:10:14,669 --> 00:10:18,899cameras in the room but other than that
23100:10:16,860 --> 00:10:21,240we don't interact with the equipment at
23200:10:18,899 --> 00:10:23,129all we just sort of try to become you
23300:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,769know more in tune with the surroundings
23400:10:23,129 --> 00:10:27,409and see how that works so it's a little
23500:10:25,769 --> 00:10:30,600bit of everything gets thrown in there
23600:10:27,409 --> 00:10:33,329yeah I'm kind of old-school guy I am I
23700:10:30,600 --> 00:10:38,070never really got into using equipment
23800:10:33,330 --> 00:10:40,100I'm an intuitive and I normally have
23900:10:38,070 --> 00:10:43,890worked with other intuitive's or
24000:10:40,100 --> 00:10:47,670psychics and when we do investigations
24100:10:43,889 --> 00:10:51,419and like you said you only hang up will
24200:10:47,669 --> 00:10:56,159usually use is a digital recorder we may
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24300:10:51,419 --> 00:10:59,189have a couple cameras set up you know in
24400:10:56,159 --> 00:11:01,199case something does show up but that's
24500:10:59,190 --> 00:11:03,800pretty well what I've done and you know
24600:11:01,200 --> 00:11:07,980I I have one the more people I talk to
24700:11:03,799 --> 00:11:09,990they're there does seem to be an
24800:11:07,980 --> 00:11:12,200increase of groups that are kind of
24900:11:09,990 --> 00:11:14,459cutting back on the equipment being used
25000:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,520yeah I'd have to agree with that and I
25100:11:14,458 --> 00:11:20,429think first and foremost I can see why
25200:11:17,519 --> 00:11:22,649because stuff's expensive you know and
25300:11:20,429 --> 00:11:26,309and if if we're going to I'm going to be
25400:11:22,649 --> 00:11:28,799totally honest we the equipment that's
25500:11:26,309 --> 00:11:31,708out there right now even though they say
25600:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,659it detects ghosts nobody can really make
257
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00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:36,809that claim because what is a ghost so
25800:11:33,659 --> 00:11:38,100how do you have a vise so I think all of
25900:11:36,809 --> 00:11:40,469that needs to be taken with a grain of
26000:11:38,100 --> 00:11:42,420salt that being said a lot of the
26100:11:40,470 --> 00:11:45,269equipment that we use is not the
26200:11:42,419 --> 00:11:49,528standard ghost hunting equipment
26300:11:45,269 --> 00:11:51,750it's designed to detect environmental
26400:11:49,528 --> 00:11:53,759changes that could be paranormal but it
26500:11:51,750 --> 00:11:55,980could also just be you know the weather
26600:11:53,759 --> 00:11:58,559or something that's that's moving in or
26700:11:55,980 --> 00:12:00,089it could be related to you know normal
26800:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,899electrical charges that are going
26900:12:00,089 --> 00:12:05,700through a room so yeah I have seen as
27000:12:03,899 --> 00:12:09,328well that people are cutting back on it
27100:12:05,700 --> 00:12:11,370
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the reason that we use so much of it and
27200:12:09,328 --> 00:12:15,659even if we are kind of going like you
27300:12:11,370 --> 00:12:18,509said old school will still keep the more
27400:12:15,659 --> 00:12:20,879modern audio and video
27500:12:18,509 --> 00:12:23,429on board with us specifically if we're
27600:12:20,879 --> 00:12:25,289doing a private investigation because
27700:12:23,429 --> 00:12:27,870this is where we've got people want us
27800:12:25,289 --> 00:12:30,480to come out and sort of either validate
27900:12:27,870 --> 00:12:33,179or come up with a rational explanation
28000:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,490for what they're experiencing so there
28100:12:33,179 --> 00:12:38,039we kind of need that audio and video to
28200:12:35,490 --> 00:12:39,629sort of give us backup if you will mmm
28300:12:38,039 --> 00:12:44,189yeah I can understand that you know
28400:12:39,629 --> 00:12:45,779people want answers and you know I and
28500:12:44,190 --> 00:12:47,310for the most part most of the case I've
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28600:12:45,779 --> 00:12:50,250been a wall with they want answers any
28700:12:47,309 --> 00:12:52,709one things taken care of as well so yeah
28800:12:50,250 --> 00:12:55,200you know and you talk about cases you
28900:12:52,710 --> 00:12:57,780know I've been involved with cases now
29000:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,300for years I mean I have one case in
29100:12:57,779 --> 00:13:04,110particular where I've been working with
29200:13:00,299 --> 00:13:06,509these people oh I'd say about eight
29300:13:04,110 --> 00:13:10,050years now Wow yeah yeah
29400:13:06,509 --> 00:13:15,379these are firm situations and you know
29500:13:10,049 --> 00:13:20,399I've always been I've always been sure
29600:13:15,379 --> 00:13:22,230to you have aftercare with a client yep
29700:13:20,399 --> 00:13:24,449you know I don't charge anything or
29800:13:22,230 --> 00:13:26,580anything like that but you know I want
29900:13:24,450 --> 00:13:31,080to make sure I kind of keep tabs with
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30000:13:26,580 --> 00:13:33,200them and to stay with them in case other
30100:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,790some pops up again and you know
30200:13:33,200 --> 00:13:39,000invariably that does happen I mean these
30300:13:35,789 --> 00:13:40,949cases can go on for you know going for a
30400:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,850long time it's not always being able to
30500:13:40,950 --> 00:13:46,800move things on a lot of it is that the
30600:13:44,850 --> 00:13:48,960client has to learn how to deal with it
30700:13:46,799 --> 00:13:51,240for the most part right yep you're
30800:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,430you're exactly right it's good to hear
30900:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,169that that's how you sort of approach the
31000:13:53,429 --> 00:13:58,679cases that they're ongoing because I
31100:13:55,169 --> 00:14:01,529think in recent years it seems to me
31200:13:58,679 --> 00:14:04,049that we've this field is sort of fallen
31300:14:01,529 --> 00:14:05,490into a trap where it's okay we're gonna
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00:14:04,049 --> 00:14:09,120come out we're gonna be there for a few
31500:14:05,490 --> 00:14:10,860hours and whatever we collect that's
31600:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,560what's there and if we don't find
31700:14:10,860 --> 00:14:16,230anything there's nothing there which i
31800:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,849think is almost just as dangerous
31900:14:16,230 --> 00:14:19,289because I you know I always say that I
32000:14:17,850 --> 00:14:21,360kind of equate it to like ghostly
32100:14:19,289 --> 00:14:24,419fishing in that you could go out to a
32200:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,470fully stocked pond but you just happened
32300:14:24,419 --> 00:14:27,029to be there at the wrong time and
32400:14:25,470 --> 00:14:28,889nothing's biting doesn't mean the fish
32500:14:27,029 --> 00:14:32,009aren't there it's just that they're not
32600:14:28,889 --> 00:14:33,480biting and so IIIi
32700:14:32,009 --> 00:14:35,639that when you said that you know you go
32800:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,029
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keep going back out there because you
32900:14:35,639 --> 00:14:40,409I wish ghosts did do sort of how they do
33000:14:39,029 --> 00:14:43,019on some of these shows where they kind
33100:14:40,409 --> 00:14:45,360of act always on command you know it
33200:14:43,019 --> 00:14:46,980would make my job a lot easier you know
33300:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,870you could just go out there ask it to do
33400:14:46,980 --> 00:14:50,129something and then you know drive right
33500:14:48,870 --> 00:14:52,110back home again with all this evidence
33600:14:50,129 --> 00:14:54,689you know I wouldn't be spending eight
33700:14:52,110 --> 00:14:56,909ten twelve hours in a dark basement you
33800:14:54,690 --> 00:14:57,990know saying is anyone here could you do
33900:14:56,909 --> 00:14:59,850you know and then when you hear a noise
34000:14:57,990 --> 00:15:02,549it's like was that you could you do it
34100:14:59,850 --> 00:15:04,710again so I I wish they did operate you
34200:15:02,549 --> 00:15:06,929know on command but you know it's good
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34300:15:04,710 --> 00:15:09,000to hear that you you do follow up
34400:15:06,929 --> 00:15:12,329because you're exactly right I mean the
34500:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,830conditions change and sometimes there
34600:15:12,330 --> 00:15:16,770are sort of for lack of a better term
34700:15:13,830 --> 00:15:18,450you know relapse is where things are you
34800:15:16,769 --> 00:15:20,329know will pick up or they'll come and go
34900:15:18,450 --> 00:15:23,060in spurts where you kind of need that
35000:15:20,330 --> 00:15:26,610constant communication with the clients
35100:15:23,059 --> 00:15:28,889that's right I mean it's I never looked
35200:15:26,610 --> 00:15:31,289at it as being a short-term thing you
35300:15:28,889 --> 00:15:33,750know a lot of times clients will want
35400:15:31,289 --> 00:15:36,480you to come in there or you know I do a
35500:15:33,750 --> 00:15:39,960lot I do most of my work remotely it's
35600:15:36,480 --> 00:15:43,259quite honest with you uh-huh and you
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35700:15:39,960 --> 00:15:45,870know I've been able to use that to
35800:15:43,259 --> 00:15:49,289freaks with good results over the years
35900:15:45,870 --> 00:15:50,730but it's one of these things where
36000:15:49,289 --> 00:15:55,019you've got to stick to it now of course
36100:15:50,730 --> 00:15:57,090if I can find somebody who I locally to
36200:15:55,019 --> 00:16:01,289the client then I will gonna work along
36300:15:57,090 --> 00:16:04,920with them but yeah it's it's never like
36400:16:01,289 --> 00:16:07,259the paranormal TV shows no no way right
36500:16:04,919 --> 00:16:10,620you're not going in there for one night
36600:16:07,259 --> 00:16:15,179and just have a cure for everything it's
36700:16:10,620 --> 00:16:18,899been going on but uh you know you're
36800:16:15,179 --> 00:16:21,029right it's it is really I guess the
36900:16:18,899 --> 00:16:24,059preferences are interesting and what
37000:16:21,029 --> 00:16:28,049different groups use but the old the old
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00:16:24,059 --> 00:16:32,099EVP and digital recorders is probably as
37200:16:28,049 --> 00:16:34,289high-tech as I get and you know I it's
37300:16:32,100 --> 00:16:37,470been one I guess it's probably the best
37400:16:34,289 --> 00:16:40,559of all I've ever been able to use yeah
37500:16:37,470 --> 00:16:42,420and we do have certain pieces of
37600:16:40,559 --> 00:16:44,279equipment that we use that are sort of
37700:16:42,419 --> 00:16:45,719the tried and true you know it's the
37800:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,809go-to pieces of equipment
37900:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,839that we use but with regard to audio
38000:16:48,809 --> 00:16:54,508what we always like to do as well as
38100:16:50,839 --> 00:16:56,399we're trying to figure out okay well if
38200:16:54,509 --> 00:16:58,350something is trying to communicate is
38300:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,269there a way that we could better
38400:16:58,350 --> 00:17:03,449facilitate that you know when we get
38500:17:00,269 --> 00:17:05,370
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these sort of broken EVPs is it because
38600:17:03,448 --> 00:17:07,529that's how it's coming through or is it
38700:17:05,369 --> 00:17:09,359because the recording device is not
38800:17:07,529 --> 00:17:12,209allowing it to come through as clear as
38900:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,369it wants to and so we have been known on
39000:17:12,209 --> 00:17:16,019investigations to bring out multiple
39100:17:14,369 --> 00:17:19,739recording devices that are everything
39200:17:16,019 --> 00:17:23,369from we have studio microphones that are
39300:17:19,740 --> 00:17:26,099hardwired into a an 8 channel mixing
39400:17:23,369 --> 00:17:29,548board all the way down to micro cassette
39500:17:26,099 --> 00:17:31,319recorders reel to reels so we kind of
39600:17:29,548 --> 00:17:33,808run the gamut and it's kind of
39700:17:31,319 --> 00:17:36,418interesting to almost do experiments
39800:17:33,808 --> 00:17:38,369with the audio where we will conduct an
39900:17:36,419 --> 00:17:40,770investigation and we'll line up four or
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40000:17:38,369 --> 00:17:44,879five different audio devices in the same
40100:17:40,769 --> 00:17:46,589spot and see okay well if a car goes by
40200:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,330do they all pick it up and does it sound
40300:17:46,589 --> 00:17:50,428like a car or do some of them over
40400:17:48,329 --> 00:17:53,308modulate and it sounds like something
40500:17:50,429 --> 00:17:55,440different and those have been really fun
40600:17:53,308 --> 00:17:59,158and very intriguing because on some of
40700:17:55,440 --> 00:18:01,110these cases we've gotten voices that
40800:17:59,159 --> 00:18:03,929just come through on one specific
40900:18:01,109 --> 00:18:06,719recorder and the other ones don't even
41000:18:03,929 --> 00:18:09,179pick up sort of ambient sounds or sounds
41100:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,519where you could say okay that recorder
41200:18:09,179 --> 00:18:12,960heard this but it made it sound like a
41300:18:11,519 --> 00:18:16,440voice just because of the way that it
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41400:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,269records so it's almost as if someone or
41500:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,000something is which sounds really weird
41600:18:18,269 --> 00:18:25,980but is targeting that one recorder which
41700:18:21,000 --> 00:18:28,798to me is just fascinating mm-hmm so over
41800:18:25,980 --> 00:18:30,240the years what can you say is the
41900:18:28,798 --> 00:18:32,250strangest things that you've encountered
42000:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,890or the strangest case you've been
42100:18:32,250 --> 00:18:37,200involved with Wow
42200:18:34,890 --> 00:18:40,500there's there's a there's a bunch of
42300:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,470them and interestingly enough I would
42400:18:40,500 --> 00:18:47,759say within the past few years we've had
42500:18:43,470 --> 00:18:49,048some really strange activity that's
42600:18:47,759 --> 00:18:51,750really sort of left me kind of
42700:18:49,048 --> 00:18:54,480scratching my head I guess one of the
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00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:59,009more recent ones we were doing an
42900:18:54,480 --> 00:19:01,470investigation at a library in Ohio
43000:18:59,009 --> 00:19:05,039they had reported activity and one of
43100:19:01,470 --> 00:19:07,170the things they were reporting was a
43200:19:05,039 --> 00:19:11,069gentleman when actually sitting in his
43300:19:07,170 --> 00:19:12,509office would hear a woman I believe she
43400:19:11,069 --> 00:19:14,069might have called his name I could be
43500:19:12,509 --> 00:19:16,769wrong about that but he would hear a
43600:19:14,069 --> 00:19:17,939woman like talking nearby him and he
43700:19:16,769 --> 00:19:21,000would turn around and there'd be no one
43800:19:17,940 --> 00:19:24,870there so we tried to do a recreation of
43900:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,730that and I was sort of playing the the
44000:19:24,869 --> 00:19:29,549role of the male librarian so I was
44100:19:26,730 --> 00:19:31,589sitting at the desk and we had other
44200:19:29,549 --> 00:19:34,619
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investigators throughout the library but
44300:19:31,589 --> 00:19:36,809in the general area where I was probably
44400:19:34,619 --> 00:19:39,899I would guess about 30 or 40 feet away
44500:19:36,809 --> 00:19:42,899from me and behind a series of closed
44600:19:39,900 --> 00:19:45,240doors was one of our investigators Wendy
44700:19:42,900 --> 00:19:46,620and she was sort of at the monitors
44800:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,539listening with the headphones and
44900:19:46,619 --> 00:19:51,629watching everybody on the monitors and
45000:19:48,539 --> 00:19:55,079as I was sitting there at one point I
45100:19:51,630 --> 00:19:56,820heard Wendy laughs and because we always
45200:19:55,079 --> 00:19:59,939have to call out anything that we hear
45300:19:56,819 --> 00:20:01,460on the audio I said you know out loud to
45400:19:59,940 --> 00:20:03,630my digital recorder and the other
45500:20:01,460 --> 00:20:06,960recording device in the area that's
45600:20:03,630 --> 00:20:09,420Wendy laughing in the other room and I
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45700:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,039guess about 20 minutes later or so I got
45800:20:09,420 --> 00:20:14,070up it was the end of the session and I
45900:20:11,039 --> 00:20:16,139came back in and I said to Wendy was
46000:20:14,069 --> 00:20:17,730still sitting there yeah I don't think
46100:20:16,140 --> 00:20:19,230there's really anything going on and she
46200:20:17,730 --> 00:20:21,269said no it doesn't seem like there's
46300:20:19,230 --> 00:20:23,880anything going on in here I said but
46400:20:21,269 --> 00:20:25,470what did you laugh at earlier and she
46500:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,750said I didn't laugh and I said no you
46600:20:25,470 --> 00:20:28,950did I heard you it sounded like you it
46700:20:27,750 --> 00:20:32,430sounded like you in the other room and
46800:20:28,950 --> 00:20:34,799she said I didn't laugh and so I had
46900:20:32,430 --> 00:20:37,560went and got my digital voice recorder
47000:20:34,799 --> 00:20:40,889which was sitting on the desk were right
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47100:20:37,559 --> 00:20:43,159where I was and I played it back and you
47200:20:40,890 --> 00:20:45,900hear nothing and then you hear me say
47300:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,000that's Wendy laughing in the other room
47400:20:45,900 --> 00:20:50,519so I thought that was a little odd
47500:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,640because I did hear with my own ears and
47600:20:50,519 --> 00:20:55,980it seemed odd that that device right
47700:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,430next to me didn't pick it up and it's a
47800:20:55,980 --> 00:21:01,140quality stereo microphone so I thought
47900:20:59,430 --> 00:21:04,230that was a little weird but then we went
48000:21:01,140 --> 00:21:07,460and played back there was a studio
48100:21:04,230 --> 00:21:11,759microphone right next to me as well you
48200:21:07,460 --> 00:21:12,930clearly hear a woman laughing and that
48300:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,150you hear me respond
48400:21:12,930 --> 00:21:17,640and say that's Wendy laughing in the
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00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:19,830other room the weird the really weird
48600:21:17,640 --> 00:21:24,480thing though is that we try to recreate
48700:21:19,829 --> 00:21:27,509that we had her laugh from that area we
48800:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,299couldn't hear her so we don't know so it
48900:21:27,509 --> 00:21:32,579was strange to me how I heard it with my
49000:21:30,299 --> 00:21:34,710own ears the digital voice recorder
49100:21:32,579 --> 00:21:36,419didn't pick it up but the studio
49200:21:34,710 --> 00:21:39,660microphone did and then it got even
49300:21:36,420 --> 00:21:42,120weirder when we for our investigations
49400:21:39,660 --> 00:21:44,490what we do is anybody who's going to be
49500:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,199going on an investigation with us we
49600:21:44,490 --> 00:21:49,049create a voice imprint or a voice
49700:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,049pattern we we have each individual
49800:21:49,049 --> 00:21:54,119investigator stand up right up against
49900:21:52,049 --> 00:21:56,490
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the studio microphone and say these
50000:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,649three sentences from a particular book
50100:21:56,490 --> 00:22:00,269and then we have the whisper those three
50200:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,650sentences because you know as you know
50300:22:00,269 --> 00:22:03,240you don't use your vocal cords when
50400:22:01,650 --> 00:22:06,230you're whispering and then we back them
50500:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,190up six foot say the same three sentences
50600:22:06,230 --> 00:22:10,890whisper the same three sentences then
50700:22:08,190 --> 00:22:13,500back them up to 12 foot when we took
50800:22:10,890 --> 00:22:16,140that Wendy laughs if you will and put it
50900:22:13,500 --> 00:22:19,950up against Wendy's actual voice pattern
51000:22:16,140 --> 00:22:21,750it was similar but they were off also
51100:22:19,950 --> 00:22:24,450enough difference is that it was clear
51200:22:21,750 --> 00:22:28,680that was kind of like Wendy but it was
51300:22:24,450 --> 00:22:30,330not Wendy mhm so so it's became this
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51400:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,789thing that you know was this like an
51500:22:30,329 --> 00:22:36,299audio doppelganger sort of thing that
51600:22:32,789 --> 00:22:38,309was at and interestingly enough we
51700:22:36,299 --> 00:22:40,289recently went back to that library sort
51800:22:38,309 --> 00:22:44,279of for another follow-up investigation
51900:22:40,289 --> 00:22:49,289and we went back and we were reviewing
52000:22:44,279 --> 00:22:51,269all the audio and at one point most
52100:22:49,289 --> 00:22:53,579people hear what sounds like me walking
52200:22:51,269 --> 00:22:55,889up to one of the microphones and
52300:22:53,579 --> 00:22:57,179whispering something which you're not
52400:22:55,890 --> 00:23:00,480supposed to do you don't whisper on
52500:22:57,180 --> 00:23:02,820investigations but everyone including
52600:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,009myself when we heard that thought it was
52700:23:02,819 --> 00:23:07,139me whispering and then one of the
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52800:23:05,009 --> 00:23:10,769investigators who was also reviewing it
52900:23:07,140 --> 00:23:13,110said that isn't you and we were like but
53000:23:10,769 --> 00:23:15,869no it sounds sort of like me except I'm
53100:23:13,109 --> 00:23:17,579whispering except I wasn't in the room
53200:23:15,869 --> 00:23:19,529or anywhere near that microphone when
53300:23:17,579 --> 00:23:21,990that was recorded you can look at the
53400:23:19,529 --> 00:23:24,029video in that room I'm not in that room
53500:23:21,990 --> 00:23:26,730I'm completely on the other side of the
53600:23:24,029 --> 00:23:29,720building and you can't hear me
53700:23:26,730 --> 00:23:31,740so again is there some sort of audio
53800:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,360doppelganger in that building I mean I
53900:23:31,740 --> 00:23:35,220don't know but it's there are things
54000:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,629that really kind of they're intriguing
54100:23:35,220 --> 00:23:41,130but they're also frustrating because
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00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:44,100they don't make sense interesting you
54300:23:41,130 --> 00:23:47,940know that I have heard all kinds of
54400:23:44,099 --> 00:23:52,199crazy things with the EVPs it's not
54500:23:47,940 --> 00:23:53,610quite the most startling was about oh I
54600:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,419don't know about eight or nine years ago
54700:23:53,609 --> 00:24:00,449I was working with a group alisone I was
54800:23:57,419 --> 00:24:02,850on my computer and they were in
54900:24:00,450 --> 00:24:05,279Southeast Wales so they had a group
55000:24:02,849 --> 00:24:08,519there and they were working on a case
55100:24:05,279 --> 00:24:14,029and I was observing for the most part
55200:24:08,519 --> 00:24:16,558and they were collecting EVPs and it was
55300:24:14,029 --> 00:24:21,210it was two couples that were part of the
55400:24:16,558 --> 00:24:24,058group and one of the couples were
55500:24:21,210 --> 00:24:27,509friends of the this other couple and
55600:24:24,058 --> 00:24:29,548
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that basically visiting them from London
55700:24:27,509 --> 00:24:31,589but they happen to tag along because
55800:24:29,548 --> 00:24:33,869they were coming out there to do the
55900:24:31,589 --> 00:24:36,449investigation so you know I'm watching
56000:24:33,869 --> 00:24:38,548and you know we're discussing things as
56100:24:36,450 --> 00:24:40,048we as things were going along and they
56200:24:38,548 --> 00:24:46,740were collecting EVPs
56300:24:40,048 --> 00:24:49,289so it was wrapped up they they they went
56400:24:46,740 --> 00:24:52,558on back home the people from London went
56500:24:49,289 --> 00:24:56,250back to London and about an hour later I
56600:24:52,558 --> 00:24:58,678got I got a call and they said the
56700:24:56,250 --> 00:25:00,990person he was running investigation told
56800:24:58,679 --> 00:25:04,890me she said you've got to listen to the
56900:25:00,990 --> 00:25:08,009CBB we collected so she played it for me
57000:25:04,890 --> 00:25:10,350and it basically said that named the guy
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57100:25:08,009 --> 00:25:13,970the other guy that was with them his
57200:25:10,349 --> 00:25:18,029name was Gary and that you'll be dead
57300:25:13,970 --> 00:25:19,650wow I'm thinking myself okay I said well
57400:25:18,029 --> 00:25:22,079you're not gonna tell Gary any about
57500:25:19,650 --> 00:25:26,880this she said no no I wouldn't dare do
57600:25:22,079 --> 00:25:29,849that well about a week later they got a
57700:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,970phone call Gary was killed he was
57800:25:29,849 --> 00:25:37,109actually attacked by two muggers Ronnie
57900:25:32,970 --> 00:25:39,058killed him and that I tell you that just
58000:25:37,109 --> 00:25:40,379literally sent chills up and down my
58100:25:39,058 --> 00:25:42,538spine
58200:25:40,380 --> 00:25:45,240most ridiculous crazy thing i've ever
58300:25:42,538 --> 00:25:49,379encountered as far as you know that
58400:25:45,240 --> 00:25:51,509anything like that with an EVP we still
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58500:25:49,380 --> 00:25:54,380can't figure out what this entity was
58600:25:51,509 --> 00:25:57,120that says dated that on that on that
58700:25:54,380 --> 00:26:00,360recording thought on it was chilling
58800:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,508that's crazy yeah that's that's the
58900:26:00,359 --> 00:26:08,819craziest thing i've ever come across
59000:26:02,509 --> 00:26:12,028so um hmm you know i you do wonder in a
59100:26:08,819 --> 00:26:13,798situation like that you know first of
59200:26:12,028 --> 00:26:15,388all you get that you think you know
59300:26:13,798 --> 00:26:18,240that's you know they're just playing
59400:26:15,388 --> 00:26:21,418around with you but when it does happen
59500:26:18,240 --> 00:26:26,730it's almost like you know we've got some
59600:26:21,419 --> 00:26:28,679type of entity telling us the future so
59700:26:26,730 --> 00:26:30,419that's kind of weird yeah it's really
59800:26:28,679 --> 00:26:32,700weird because again it's not i mean
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00:26:30,419 --> 00:26:34,528that's a very specific message it's not
60000:26:32,700 --> 00:26:37,558something that was vague enough that you
60100:26:34,528 --> 00:26:39,569could kind of force fit that and try to
60200:26:37,558 --> 00:26:42,538make it make sense i mean that's that's
60300:26:39,569 --> 00:26:44,519crazy yeah and i still got the recording
60400:26:42,538 --> 00:26:47,878at draw this year's it's really it's
60500:26:44,519 --> 00:26:49,528just strange and i don't i don't think
60600:26:47,878 --> 00:26:52,319i've ever encountered anything near that
60700:26:49,528 --> 00:26:56,159before but uh it is interesting some of
60800:26:52,319 --> 00:26:58,378the things you do here and you know a
60900:26:56,159 --> 00:27:01,919lot of it does coincide with activity
61000:26:58,378 --> 00:27:05,128and unity you know it is this a strange
61100:27:01,919 --> 00:27:07,470phenomena yeah it is and those are the
61200:27:05,128 --> 00:27:09,808those are things that for me personally
61300:27:07,470 --> 00:27:12,450
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that keep me going because you know i I
61400:27:09,808 --> 00:27:15,240sort of like and don't like the idea
61500:27:12,450 --> 00:27:17,788that this field nothing really ever fits
61600:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,620together nice you know it's always got a
61700:27:17,788 --> 00:27:21,419stuff that you kind of gotta turn it
61800:27:19,619 --> 00:27:23,219around and try to make it all fit in
61900:27:21,419 --> 00:27:24,809there and that's uh it's just one big
62000:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,370puzzle and that's the the fun in the
62100:27:24,808 --> 00:27:29,730frustrating part of this field
62200:27:26,369 --> 00:27:32,788mm-hm so you're also into cryptids
62300:27:29,730 --> 00:27:34,829which is which is great and yes you're
62400:27:32,788 --> 00:27:38,669in a state that has a lot of cryptid
62500:27:34,829 --> 00:27:42,298activity can you kind of tell us a bit
62600:27:38,669 --> 00:27:45,720about that yeah it as I said growing up
62700:27:42,298 --> 00:27:47,730in New York I kind of up in the Catskill
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62800:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,350Mountains we had everything from Bigfoot
62900:27:47,730 --> 00:27:51,990reports and we were not really far from
63000:27:49,349 --> 00:27:53,939like Lake Champlain and so we had champ
63100:27:51,990 --> 00:27:54,179and you know there were all sorts of we
63200:27:53,940 --> 00:27:56,220were
63300:27:54,179 --> 00:27:58,830far from New Jersey in the Jersey Devil
63400:27:56,220 --> 00:28:02,089so I kind of grew up being interested in
63500:27:58,829 --> 00:28:06,928cryptids in general and when I moved to
63600:28:02,089 --> 00:28:08,339Ohio it was interesting because I asked
63700:28:06,929 --> 00:28:10,139people I was like what can you tell me
63800:28:08,339 --> 00:28:12,028about Ohio you know prior to my moving
63900:28:10,138 --> 00:28:14,459there and so many people said the
64000:28:12,028 --> 00:28:16,138following that it ended up being this
64100:28:14,460 --> 00:28:19,499part of the intro to my book weird Ohio
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64200:28:16,138 --> 00:28:21,658but when I asked people well what can
64300:28:19,499 --> 00:28:23,368you tell me about Ohio they would all
64400:28:21,659 --> 00:28:25,528think and then they'd say well you know
64500:28:23,368 --> 00:28:29,730I think a lot of people drive through
64600:28:25,528 --> 00:28:31,829Ohio and they kind of not really a
64700:28:29,730 --> 00:28:34,589glowing review of the state but it sort
64800:28:31,829 --> 00:28:37,019of made me think that not a lot happens
64900:28:34,589 --> 00:28:39,118in Ohio and I'm proud to say that they
65000:28:37,019 --> 00:28:42,149were wrong that Ohio really is a weird
65100:28:39,118 --> 00:28:46,730state and they're also proud to be weird
65200:28:42,148 --> 00:28:49,979and so where it comes to cryptids in
65300:28:46,730 --> 00:28:51,808general Ohio is so weird that they have
65400:28:49,980 --> 00:28:55,169to have their own version of everything
65500:28:51,808 --> 00:28:57,480so like with the Loch Ness monster there
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00:28:55,169 --> 00:28:59,850is supposedly a version of that up in
65700:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,849Lake Erie South Bay Bessie they refer to
65800:28:59,849 --> 00:29:05,730it as you know where there are a lot of
65900:29:02,849 --> 00:29:08,878Bigfoot sightings here so much so that
66000:29:05,730 --> 00:29:10,649there is some believe a sort of cousin
66100:29:08,878 --> 00:29:14,209to bigfoot if you will that they call
66200:29:10,648 --> 00:29:16,618the Ohio grassman so there are a lot of
66300:29:14,210 --> 00:29:18,778similarities with these sort of major
66400:29:16,618 --> 00:29:21,209cryptids but then when I just really
66500:29:18,778 --> 00:29:21,990love about Ohio is they always take it a
66600:29:21,210 --> 00:29:24,210step further
66700:29:21,990 --> 00:29:26,849and they come up with their own really
66800:29:24,210 --> 00:29:28,980sort of unique cryptids and I think one
66900:29:26,849 --> 00:29:33,959of my all-time favorite ones is the
67000:29:28,980 --> 00:29:36,118
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Loveland frog which yeah it's and it's
67100:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,990one of those things that when you first
67200:29:36,118 --> 00:29:43,888hear the story you know you're like no
67300:29:39,990 --> 00:29:48,419way but the the basic story is that in
67400:29:43,888 --> 00:29:51,808the early 1970s in a in March roughly
67500:29:48,419 --> 00:29:54,509about two weeks apart two different men
67600:29:51,808 --> 00:29:56,308that we're driving along this road right
67700:29:54,509 --> 00:29:59,278alongside the Little Miami River which
67800:29:56,308 --> 00:30:02,158is runs great distance but they were
67900:29:59,278 --> 00:30:04,558right outside of Loveland Ohio and they
68000:30:02,159 --> 00:30:06,600claimed that they encountered now the
68100:30:04,558 --> 00:30:08,500size is varied over the years but they
68200:30:06,599 --> 00:30:11,599basically saw this
68300:30:08,500 --> 00:30:15,049creature that looked somewhat human but
68400:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,799also had like a head and you know of a
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68500:30:15,049 --> 00:30:20,629frog
68600:30:15,799 --> 00:30:23,149so this frog man type thing and when you
68700:30:20,630 --> 00:30:26,030hear that part of the story you're like
68800:30:23,150 --> 00:30:28,490that's ridiculous come on you know but
68900:30:26,029 --> 00:30:30,920the part that is intriguing to me about
69000:30:28,490 --> 00:30:33,980it is both of those gentlemen were
69100:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,420police officers right and so when you
69200:30:33,980 --> 00:30:37,519hear that all of a sudden you're
69300:30:35,420 --> 00:30:40,160thinking okay well that ends adds a
69400:30:37,519 --> 00:30:43,279little bit of credibility to it as well
69500:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,540as the fact that one of them shot at it
69600:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,529mm-hmm
69700:30:44,539 --> 00:30:50,299and in the original version of the story
69800:30:47,529 --> 00:30:51,799he can't he was the second one to see it
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69900:30:50,299 --> 00:30:54,950and he came around the corner in the
70000:30:51,799 --> 00:30:57,950middle of the night and his patrol cars
70100:30:54,950 --> 00:30:59,690lights saw this dark object laying in
70200:30:57,950 --> 00:31:01,819the road and he thought initially that
70300:30:59,690 --> 00:31:02,630someone had hit like a dog or a deer or
70400:31:01,819 --> 00:31:05,869something like that
70500:31:02,630 --> 00:31:08,600and so he got out of the car to drag it
70600:31:05,869 --> 00:31:11,299off of the route of the road and this
70700:31:08,599 --> 00:31:13,009thing stood up so I think I would have
70800:31:11,299 --> 00:31:15,680shot at it soon to be honest with you
70900:31:13,009 --> 00:31:18,470but and it went jumped over the
71000:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,340guardrail and it disappeared now that
71100:31:18,470 --> 00:31:25,150story has pun intended mutated over the
71200:31:22,339 --> 00:31:27,559years this size of the the frog has
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00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:31,040grown to where it was almost six foot
71400:31:27,559 --> 00:31:33,409tall the one police officer the first
71500:31:31,039 --> 00:31:36,740one who saw it never changed his story
71600:31:33,410 --> 00:31:38,540the second one continually changes his
71700:31:36,740 --> 00:31:41,299story I think the last version I think
71800:31:38,539 --> 00:31:45,409was maybe two or three years ago he
71900:31:41,299 --> 00:31:47,569claimed that it was a tailless iguana I
72000:31:45,410 --> 00:31:49,370believe so
72100:31:47,569 --> 00:31:52,429he's kind of all over the place but to
72200:31:49,369 --> 00:31:55,479me it's just intriguing that whatever it
72300:31:52,430 --> 00:31:58,759was I think they did see something that
72400:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,009initially was unexplained was this sort
72500:31:58,759 --> 00:32:02,599of cryptid like thing because if you're
72600:32:01,009 --> 00:32:05,119a police officer the last thing you're
72700:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,609
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going to do is report seeing a frog
72800:32:05,119 --> 00:32:11,149creature that's running along side of
72900:32:07,609 --> 00:32:13,250the road and jumping over guardrails but
73000:32:11,150 --> 00:32:16,720when I started digging into that there
73100:32:13,250 --> 00:32:21,528are some people that will claim that the
73200:32:16,720 --> 00:32:25,048first sightings of this Loveland frog
73300:32:21,528 --> 00:32:27,479happened in the 1950s and there were
73400:32:25,048 --> 00:32:30,118reports there but when I started digging
73500:32:27,479 --> 00:32:32,038into those reports it's not the same
73600:32:30,118 --> 00:32:34,828creature despite the fact that people
73700:32:32,038 --> 00:32:37,229try to make it the same one that one to
73800:32:34,828 --> 00:32:39,298me gets even more fascinating and starts
73900:32:37,229 --> 00:32:43,078putting me down this sort of rabbit hole
74000:32:39,298 --> 00:32:45,509of cryptids because those creatures and
74100:32:43,078 --> 00:32:47,808again they were seen in Loveland they
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74200:32:45,509 --> 00:32:50,368were initially referred to as the trolls
74300:32:47,808 --> 00:32:52,678because a gentleman driving home at
74400:32:50,368 --> 00:32:54,588night so a three or four of them that
74500:32:52,679 --> 00:32:57,739were standing underneath a bridge
74600:32:54,588 --> 00:33:00,598there's a subsequent Quint report where
74700:32:57,739 --> 00:33:02,700those creatures responded again in a
74800:33:00,598 --> 00:33:06,358small group and when the person got out
74900:33:02,700 --> 00:33:08,639to sort of look at them this one frog
75000:33:06,358 --> 00:33:11,218thing or whatever you'd like to call it
75100:33:08,638 --> 00:33:14,939held up this sort of little beam that
75200:33:11,219 --> 00:33:17,070started emitting sparks from it which
75300:33:14,940 --> 00:33:19,349some people now think maybe that was
75400:33:17,069 --> 00:33:23,128actually you know more UFO related or
75500:33:19,348 --> 00:33:24,658something like that so I've always been
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75600:33:23,128 --> 00:33:26,908intrigued with the whole Loveland frog
75700:33:24,659 --> 00:33:29,579or the Loveland whatever it is so what
75800:33:26,909 --> 00:33:31,440I'd like to say because you start
75900:33:29,578 --> 00:33:35,009looking at the initial reports of that
76000:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,889from the 50s and they do bear more less
76100:33:35,009 --> 00:33:40,139of a similarity to a frog and more to
76200:33:37,888 --> 00:33:41,908the Hopkinsville goblins they start
76300:33:40,138 --> 00:33:44,458looking like that so then you start
76400:33:41,909 --> 00:33:46,559thinking okay maybe this is a whole
76500:33:44,459 --> 00:33:49,619different thing altogether that we're
76600:33:46,558 --> 00:33:51,598looking at I had to I had to dig up some
76700:33:49,618 --> 00:33:54,808of the reports I've gotten from below
76800:33:51,598 --> 00:33:57,499going over the years I am there there
76900:33:54,808 --> 00:34:01,098was one in particular woman who lived in
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00:33:57,499 --> 00:34:04,288Loveland right along the Little Miami
77100:34:01,098 --> 00:34:06,749where she spotted something that she
77200:34:04,288 --> 00:34:07,769really couldn't explain it sounds like
77300:34:06,749 --> 00:34:10,980there was a Bigfoot
77400:34:07,769 --> 00:34:12,719be honest with you now yeah yeah there
77500:34:10,980 --> 00:34:15,480are reports of there are big fort
77600:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,969reporting sightings also in that area as
77700:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,108well or in and around Loveland too so
77800:34:17,969 --> 00:34:25,768yeah and I've also had flying humanoid
77900:34:22,108 --> 00:34:28,348sightings as well in that area so it
78000:34:25,768 --> 00:34:31,528seems to be a location has a lot of
78100:34:28,349 --> 00:34:34,320strange activity a lot of strange beings
78200:34:31,528 --> 00:34:39,059I've also received
78300:34:34,320 --> 00:34:41,010these reports of these large frogs in
78400:34:39,059 --> 00:34:44,250
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the rivers I mean that river itself
78500:34:41,010 --> 00:34:46,850around the river yet yeah they arrange
78600:34:44,250 --> 00:34:49,139things yeah it's a and and it's also
78700:34:46,849 --> 00:34:53,368probably most well known for the
78800:34:49,139 --> 00:34:56,639Loveland castle which is a castle built
78900:34:53,369 --> 00:34:59,430by one man by hand and is using the
79000:34:56,639 --> 00:35:03,108great beside to castle really yeah Wow
79100:34:59,429 --> 00:35:04,889yeah yeah those are we I've done
79200:35:03,108 --> 00:35:07,829investigations because the castle is
79300:35:04,889 --> 00:35:10,259supposed to be haunted know as all good
79400:35:07,829 --> 00:35:11,880castles should be and but it's it's very
79500:35:10,260 --> 00:35:13,950interesting because you can actually go
79600:35:11,880 --> 00:35:18,750up into the top heat it's basically a
79700:35:13,949 --> 00:35:21,269two scale version of a European castle
79800:35:18,750 --> 00:35:23,608so you can go up into like the turret
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79900:35:21,269 --> 00:35:26,329and look out over the Little Miami and
80000:35:23,608 --> 00:35:28,559if you go down there in the springtime
80100:35:26,329 --> 00:35:30,119you're gonna convince that the Loveland
80200:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,820frog is out there because you're gonna
80300:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,220hear some of the largest bullfrogs I
80400:35:32,820 --> 00:35:37,500think it's a man that are out there and
80500:35:35,219 --> 00:35:40,618you know so again that was something
80600:35:37,500 --> 00:35:46,230that when because the castle was there
80700:35:40,619 --> 00:35:48,570before the reports of the of the 70s
80800:35:46,230 --> 00:35:51,539reports of Louisville and frog so you
80900:35:48,570 --> 00:35:53,039can't help but think okay what did they
81000:35:51,539 --> 00:35:55,889see and did the whole idea of it being
81100:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,650part frog come from the idea that there
81200:35:55,889 --> 00:36:00,150is a whole bunch of big frogs that are
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81300:35:58,650 --> 00:36:03,269actually in the Little Miami River
81400:36:00,150 --> 00:36:04,800mm-hmm yeah I don't know I mean like I
81500:36:03,269 --> 00:36:08,369said I received a lot of different
81600:36:04,800 --> 00:36:11,880things from that area before and I don't
81700:36:08,369 --> 00:36:14,820know you get some anything sometimes you
81800:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,608just kind of just gotta wonder what
81900:36:14,820 --> 00:36:22,369people are actually seeing exactly you
82000:36:17,608 --> 00:36:25,049know you know I I have known of
82100:36:22,369 --> 00:36:29,630locations where people would go into and
82200:36:25,050 --> 00:36:31,980they would almost to the point start
82300:36:29,630 --> 00:36:36,690hallucinating different types of
82400:36:31,980 --> 00:36:39,690creatures for whatever reason yeah and
82500:36:36,690 --> 00:36:42,450if any of your listeners have never been
82600:36:39,690 --> 00:36:43,650to Loveland Ohio I I always recommend
827
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00:36:42,449 --> 00:36:45,899that they go down there and just kind of
82800:36:43,650 --> 00:36:47,440walk around because you start to get the
82900:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,930feeling that
83000:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,759it's kind of a spooky little area and
83100:36:49,929 --> 00:36:54,338you get out there late at night you can
83200:36:51,759 --> 00:36:56,019certainly say that your your eyes might
83300:36:54,338 --> 00:36:58,150be playing tricks on you and if you go
83400:36:56,018 --> 00:36:59,768in there and in the back of your mind
83500:36:58,150 --> 00:37:01,450that there's some sort of creatures
83600:36:59,768 --> 00:37:03,459lurking out there in the woods and
83700:37:01,449 --> 00:37:06,639there's this old haunted castle out
83800:37:03,460 --> 00:37:09,130there I mean it doesn't take too much I
83900:37:06,639 --> 00:37:14,528think to get the mind of racing I guess
84000:37:09,130 --> 00:37:16,240you should say yeah you know I've heard
84100:37:14,528 --> 00:37:18,670
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a lot of things out of studio high over
84200:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,459the years uh the dog man yup right
84300:37:18,670 --> 00:37:23,769canines yes of course the Minerva
84400:37:21,460 --> 00:37:27,849monster a lot of other things too that
84500:37:23,768 --> 00:37:30,098the Charles Charles mill monster and
84600:37:27,849 --> 00:37:33,338chocolate monster or whatever that was
84700:37:30,099 --> 00:37:36,609and oh it is it it's kind of it they've
84800:37:33,338 --> 00:37:38,710got their share of cryptid activity they
84900:37:36,608 --> 00:37:41,170do they've even got werewolf sightings
85000:37:38,710 --> 00:37:43,210that from up in Defiance Ohio so you're
85100:37:41,170 --> 00:37:47,048exactly right and it's something that I
85200:37:43,210 --> 00:37:48,429really feel like a weirdo like me found
85300:37:47,048 --> 00:37:50,619his second home when I moved here
85400:37:48,429 --> 00:37:52,268because as I said they were telling me
85500:37:50,619 --> 00:37:54,700there's nothing really weird there you
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85600:37:52,268 --> 00:37:58,568know and it's nothing but cornfields but
85700:37:54,699 --> 00:38:02,439yeah Ohio they have got a lot of weird
85800:37:58,568 --> 00:38:04,719stuff here and something that I've been
85900:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,630involved with several of the state books
86000:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,088in the the weird us series it's
86100:38:07,630 --> 00:38:13,750fascinating to me because even as you go
86200:38:10,088 --> 00:38:15,308from state to state how the states treat
86300:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,809their ghost stories and their urban
86400:38:15,309 --> 00:38:19,150legends and their folklore and their
86500:38:16,809 --> 00:38:20,650cryptids it varies even though you're
86600:38:19,150 --> 00:38:24,608literally just going from one state to
86700:38:20,650 --> 00:38:28,509the other and Ohio is sort of really
86800:38:24,608 --> 00:38:31,239fascinating because they they like their
86900:38:28,509 --> 00:38:33,309weird stories and they also like sharing
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87000:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,318the weird stories so when I when I was
87100:38:33,309 --> 00:38:37,028doing weird Indiana and it was the same
87200:38:35,318 --> 00:38:40,690sort of thing I was trying to collect
87300:38:37,028 --> 00:38:43,528their most well-known most beloved ghost
87400:38:40,690 --> 00:38:46,869stories urban legends weird things and
87500:38:43,528 --> 00:38:50,768in Indiana even though you're just you
87600:38:46,869 --> 00:38:52,869know a couple hours away they were kept
87700:38:50,768 --> 00:38:54,548things very close to the vest you know
87800:38:52,869 --> 00:38:57,160they didn't really they weren't very
87900:38:54,548 --> 00:38:58,650open about sharing the stories now when
88000:38:57,159 --> 00:39:02,519they did they
88100:38:58,650 --> 00:39:04,619out there but it was that whole they're
88200:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,380not they were not as open as they are
88300:39:04,619 --> 00:39:10,259here in Ohio which is something I really
884
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00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,430like because it's you go out somewhere
88500:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,750and somebody's like what are you doing
88600:39:11,429 --> 00:39:14,699I'm like well I'm looking up this
88700:39:12,750 --> 00:39:16,769somebody said there was a weird sighting
88800:39:14,699 --> 00:39:18,119of a Bigfoot here and they're like well
88900:39:16,769 --> 00:39:19,500if you think that's weird
89000:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,869let me - you know and then they're gonna
89100:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,849tell you a couple of even stranger
89200:39:21,869 --> 00:39:25,589stories about something that they either
89300:39:23,849 --> 00:39:28,409encountered or somebody that they knew
89400:39:25,590 --> 00:39:31,320encountered so it's a it's a great thing
89500:39:28,409 --> 00:39:33,839about being here weird Ohio well I tell
89600:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,380you and there are two towns in Ohio that
89700:39:33,840 --> 00:39:42,059seem that I have seen to have gotten
89800:39:37,380 --> 00:39:44,579
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more reports from and and I'm talking on
89900:39:42,059 --> 00:39:46,349things and the whole gamut of things and
90000:39:44,579 --> 00:39:50,670that would be defined so like you
90100:39:46,349 --> 00:39:52,440mentioned yes Westerville yeah yeah and
90200:39:50,670 --> 00:39:55,740in Westerville I'm not too far from
90300:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,019Westerville and there it's interesting
90400:39:55,739 --> 00:39:59,909because when I start digging into like a
90500:39:58,019 --> 00:40:02,849lot of their older folklore and things
90600:39:59,909 --> 00:40:06,119like that they were a Westerville was
90700:40:02,849 --> 00:40:08,219dry for a very very long time after
90800:40:06,119 --> 00:40:10,619everybody else was so part of me wonders
90900:40:08,219 --> 00:40:12,719if they didn't actually didn't have much
91000:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,880better things since ooze so they started
91100:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,929telling these stories but but no
91200:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,920Westerville is great they have a lot of
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91300:40:17,929 --> 00:40:22,559traditional ghost stories that are in
91400:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,230there as well as a lot of when you sort
91500:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,639of get out near the to the far end of
91600:40:25,230 --> 00:40:28,650reservoir and you start push of the
91700:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,559reservoir Hoover reservoir so you're
91800:40:28,650 --> 00:40:33,630kind of pushing just outside of
91900:40:30,559 --> 00:40:36,210Westerville proper you start picking up
92000:40:33,630 --> 00:40:38,039a lot of like these sort of urban legend
92100:40:36,210 --> 00:40:41,429II stories - so yeah we've gotten a lot
92200:40:38,039 --> 00:40:43,139of things out of Westar panel I have in
92300:40:41,429 --> 00:40:46,409in the town itself
92400:40:43,139 --> 00:40:48,750I guess it's downtown but they have a
92500:40:46,409 --> 00:40:50,699lot of shops and such down there yep and
92600:40:48,750 --> 00:40:52,860it seems like every shop denier he's got
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92700:40:50,699 --> 00:40:55,379a ghost I you know I have gotten so many
92800:40:52,860 --> 00:40:58,950people sending me stuff from Westerville
92900:40:55,380 --> 00:41:01,110over the years and you know tell me
93000:40:58,949 --> 00:41:02,759about the resident ghost and the
93100:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,829hauntings and things people have
93200:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,590experienced when they've gone into these
93300:41:04,829 --> 00:41:09,929shops it is it's very strange
93400:41:07,590 --> 00:41:11,250yeah it's that whole main strip I know
93500:41:09,929 --> 00:41:11,639exactly what you're talking about when
93600:41:11,250 --> 00:41:13,739you walk
93700:41:11,639 --> 00:41:16,079through there and it seems on both sides
93800:41:13,739 --> 00:41:17,669of the roads they have and I think a lot
93900:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,429of it has to do with that it's it's sort
94000:41:17,670 --> 00:41:21,690of a the older area of Westerville in
941
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00:41:20,429 --> 00:41:23,699terms of like the shopping and things
94200:41:21,690 --> 00:41:25,289like that that they've kind of acquired
94300:41:23,699 --> 00:41:27,960more than their fair share of ghosts
94400:41:25,289 --> 00:41:30,480over the years mm-hmm so you also
94500:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,570mentioned here about UFOs and of course
94600:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,039when you talk UFOs and aliens you got to
94700:41:33,570 --> 00:41:36,480talk about wright-patterson Air Force
94800:41:35,039 --> 00:41:39,000Base and Dayton
94900:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,420yes there's you know I I've got a
95000:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,860connection with that place through my
95100:41:42,420 --> 00:41:45,630father because he was in the Air Force
95200:41:43,860 --> 00:41:47,309and in fact he was at the five of a
95300:41:45,630 --> 00:41:50,940ninth Wow
95400:41:47,309 --> 00:41:52,980during the Korean War so he he was he
95500:41:50,940 --> 00:41:56,010
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was with a couple of guys that were at
95600:41:52,980 --> 00:41:58,139Roswell and over the years at
95700:41:56,010 --> 00:42:00,270wright-patterson Air Force Base they
95800:41:58,139 --> 00:42:03,389used to have the reunion and I used to
95900:42:00,269 --> 00:42:06,329tag along sometimes and I was told all
96000:42:03,389 --> 00:42:10,889kinds of things the ears Wow
96100:42:06,329 --> 00:42:13,139yeah so you know yeah it's there was a
96200:42:10,889 --> 00:42:15,569lot of interesting things I really don't
96300:42:13,139 --> 00:42:18,869know how much it was true but it was
96400:42:15,570 --> 00:42:21,809interesting to listen to yeah and you're
96500:42:18,869 --> 00:42:25,139exactly right and I when again when I
96600:42:21,809 --> 00:42:28,380was younger in growing up in New York
96700:42:25,139 --> 00:42:30,299I actually went looking for they had all
96800:42:28,380 --> 00:42:32,610around the the Pine Bush area and there
96900:42:30,300 --> 00:42:35,519were a lot of UFO sightings that took
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97000:42:32,610 --> 00:42:36,930place in that area so much so that a
97100:42:35,519 --> 00:42:39,329book was written about it called Knights
97200:42:36,929 --> 00:42:42,089each which was written by J Allen Hynek
97300:42:39,329 --> 00:42:44,429which at the time I just thought that he
97400:42:42,090 --> 00:42:46,260wrote that book but then you know come
97500:42:44,429 --> 00:42:50,579to find out years later that not only
97600:42:46,260 --> 00:42:53,130was you know he a teacher at OSU but he
97700:42:50,579 --> 00:42:55,230also was part of Project Blue Book out
97800:42:53,130 --> 00:42:57,390of rye Pat you know and now he's even
97900:42:55,230 --> 00:43:00,000you know the focus of the Project Blue
98000:42:57,389 --> 00:43:02,219Book thing on the History Channel but it
98100:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,320was again weird how you sort of cut
98200:43:02,219 --> 00:43:05,849these people that were such a major part
98300:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,340of my life when I was growing up they
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98400:43:05,849 --> 00:43:10,710end up being in Ohio just like I am but
98500:43:08,340 --> 00:43:14,130yeah right Pat it is fascinating because
98600:43:10,710 --> 00:43:17,369it seems that if you look at any famous
98700:43:14,130 --> 00:43:19,410or infamous UFO case where something
98800:43:17,369 --> 00:43:21,809allegedly crash-land so like you
98900:43:19,409 --> 00:43:25,170mentioned Roswell or or you know
99000:43:21,809 --> 00:43:25,590Kecksburg and somewhere along the line
99100:43:25,170 --> 00:43:27,659when you
99200:43:25,590 --> 00:43:29,940start looking into those cases you're
99300:43:27,659 --> 00:43:32,759gonna come across the fact that if
99400:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,789something did crash there it ended up at
99500:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,710wright-patt and you know it makes sense
99600:43:35,789 --> 00:43:39,690and it is kind of a strange coincidence
99700:43:37,710 --> 00:43:42,470that also you know Project Blue Book and
998
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00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:44,400all of those were actually coming out of
99900:43:42,469 --> 00:43:46,799right path that's where there was
100000:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,900projects where headquarters so it's it
100100:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,940does seem that it would make sense that
100200:43:48,900 --> 00:43:54,119it would be sort of the the headquarters
100300:43:50,940 --> 00:43:55,829of all things alien if you will so so
100400:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,960what do you think the status is now
100500:43:55,829 --> 00:44:03,750drape Patterson do you believe that they
100600:43:57,960 --> 00:44:06,000they are still a major point for this
100700:44:03,750 --> 00:44:09,300type of debris or information or you
100800:44:06,000 --> 00:44:15,050think it's kind of spread out I don't
100900:44:09,300 --> 00:44:18,210really know because it is they are very
101000:44:15,050 --> 00:44:20,220forthcoming with the idea that they do
101100:44:18,210 --> 00:44:23,579have a division that is still at
101200:44:20,219 --> 00:44:25,949
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wright-patt that works on reverse
101300:44:23,579 --> 00:44:28,440engineering quote-unquote alien
101400:44:25,949 --> 00:44:30,480technology in that if something falls
101500:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,110from the sky and they don't know what it
101600:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,510is it gets sent to write Pat to see if
101700:44:34,110 --> 00:44:38,730one they can figure out what it is where
101800:44:36,510 --> 00:44:41,550it came from and then could it be
101900:44:38,730 --> 00:44:44,579reverse engineered to see how it would
102000:44:41,550 --> 00:44:48,240work so that is still legitimate and
102100:44:44,579 --> 00:44:50,219that from a skeptics point of view you
102200:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,459could say that's what gave rise to the
102300:44:50,219 --> 00:44:56,279idea that there are aliens there because
102400:44:53,460 --> 00:44:58,050the quote-unquote alien technology was
102500:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,360just stuff that fell out of the sky at
102600:44:58,050 --> 00:45:03,269Roswell it wasn't from outer space it
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102700:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,220was a strange weather balloon you know
102800:45:03,269 --> 00:45:06,900if you believe you the skeptic and you
102900:45:05,219 --> 00:45:10,529believe that it was not alien from
103000:45:06,900 --> 00:45:12,300outside of this planet that it still
103100:45:10,530 --> 00:45:14,820went to right paths so they could figure
103200:45:12,300 --> 00:45:17,220out look did this come from Germany the
103300:45:14,820 --> 00:45:20,340way to where is this originating from it
103400:45:17,219 --> 00:45:22,199is alien to us so that makes sense and
103500:45:20,340 --> 00:45:25,710there is still a division that does that
103600:45:22,199 --> 00:45:28,319but the flipside of that is if something
103700:45:25,710 --> 00:45:30,119from another planet did fall from the
103800:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,390sky it would still go to right Pat
103900:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,829because it is still alien so I'm kind of
104000:45:33,389 --> 00:45:37,199on the fence because there's I've
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104100:45:34,829 --> 00:45:39,469uncovered enough documents over the
104200:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,588years that
104300:45:39,469 --> 00:45:44,568stuff did get sent there and since that
104400:45:42,588 --> 00:45:47,420division or group or whatever you'd like
104500:45:44,568 --> 00:45:49,730to call it is still there I think it
104600:45:47,420 --> 00:45:52,159would make sense that there would stuff
104700:45:49,730 --> 00:45:54,829would still get sent there if the intent
104800:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,618is to try to identify where it came from
104900:45:54,829 --> 00:46:02,180and reverse-engineer it but to that end
105000:45:57,619 --> 00:46:04,039I if there was stuff from Roswell there
105100:46:02,179 --> 00:46:06,199or for Kecksburg I think so much time
105200:46:04,039 --> 00:46:08,869has passed that it is it's not there
105300:46:06,199 --> 00:46:11,480anymore I think it's been disposed of or
105400:46:08,869 --> 00:46:13,760moved someplace else and I'm sure with
1055
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00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,010the way that technology is actually you
105600:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,530know just exploded over the years that
105700:46:16,010 --> 00:46:21,140there are probably now multiple groups
105800:46:18,530 --> 00:46:23,180in multiple locations around the United
105900:46:21,139 --> 00:46:25,159States if not the world that would
106000:46:23,179 --> 00:46:27,858quote-unquote specialize in sort of this
106100:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,139reverse engineering so I don't sure yes
106200:46:27,858 --> 00:46:33,139I don't think it's sort of the the mecca
106300:46:30,139 --> 00:46:35,538or the headquarters of all things alien
106400:46:33,139 --> 00:46:36,980that it once was but it would not
106500:46:35,539 --> 00:46:38,809surprise me if there's still some things
106600:46:36,980 --> 00:46:40,490coming in and out of there yeah I'm
106700:46:38,809 --> 00:46:42,200quite sure it's used for that and in
106800:46:40,489 --> 00:46:46,129fact you're right I believe some of the
106900:46:42,199 --> 00:46:49,269
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initial events may have been centered at
107000:46:46,130 --> 00:46:52,818wright-patterson like you said Kecksburg
107100:46:49,269 --> 00:46:55,880stand Gordon has talked to me we talk a
107200:46:52,818 --> 00:47:00,259lot and he believes that it was probably
107300:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,119taken there at first I don't know I mean
107400:47:00,260 --> 00:47:05,240it could have been anywhere cuz really
107500:47:02,119 --> 00:47:09,200nobody really knows of course all the
107600:47:05,239 --> 00:47:12,078speculation that Roswell ended up going
107700:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,879somewhere in Texas and the you know what
107800:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,369was recovered there eventually made its
107900:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,170way to wright-patterson and that may be
108000:47:16,369 --> 00:47:19,940true you know I've heard a lot of people
108100:47:18,170 --> 00:47:22,099speculate that over the years
108200:47:19,940 --> 00:47:25,818I personally believe it went to some
108300:47:22,099 --> 00:47:28,190other locations just from what people
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108400:47:25,818 --> 00:47:30,798have told me over the years and things I
108500:47:28,190 --> 00:47:32,179have found but like I said I think
108600:47:30,798 --> 00:47:33,858things are more disseminated now
108700:47:32,179 --> 00:47:37,368compared to what they used to be and
108800:47:33,858 --> 00:47:41,269like you said also that it a lot of its
108900:47:37,369 --> 00:47:43,039privatized now yes exactly but I think
109000:47:41,269 --> 00:47:45,108back at the time when
109100:47:43,039 --> 00:47:47,630Roswell and even Kecksburg you know it
109200:47:45,108 --> 00:47:49,278was not they didn't have as many
109300:47:47,630 --> 00:47:50,838different divisions that could tackle
109400:47:49,278 --> 00:47:51,800something like that so it was kind of
109500:47:50,838 --> 00:47:54,230like
109600:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,880they it went to right path sort of
109700:47:54,230 --> 00:47:57,050almost like a starting point until it
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109800:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,300got to the point where they were like
109900:47:57,050 --> 00:48:01,100well no we can kind of refer this out if
110000:47:59,300 --> 00:48:04,610you will and sing it out to this
110100:48:01,099 --> 00:48:07,309division or this division but yeah it's
110200:48:04,610 --> 00:48:10,460it's fascinating because you can look at
110300:48:07,309 --> 00:48:12,139it and on the surface you could say yeah
110400:48:10,460 --> 00:48:13,610they were just looking at stuff that
110500:48:12,139 --> 00:48:15,769fell out of the sky they were just
110600:48:13,610 --> 00:48:17,510making sure that other countries weren't
110700:48:15,769 --> 00:48:21,259spying on us or doing things that they
110800:48:17,510 --> 00:48:23,150shouldn't be doing but you know it also
110900:48:21,260 --> 00:48:25,460seemed the flip side of that is that if
111000:48:23,150 --> 00:48:27,950it was from another planet it still
111100:48:25,460 --> 00:48:30,230would get looked at at wright-patt
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00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:32,599during that time period specifically
111300:48:30,230 --> 00:48:33,860because they had you know project
111400:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,110Bluebook and even before that your
111500:48:33,860 --> 00:48:37,730project sign and grudge you know those
111600:48:36,110 --> 00:48:39,710that were taking place so it makes sense
111700:48:37,730 --> 00:48:42,590that it would have at least had some
111800:48:39,710 --> 00:48:44,869stopping point at wright-patt at one
111900:48:42,590 --> 00:48:47,600point yeah I think yeah I think the
112000:48:44,869 --> 00:48:49,429initial worry was the Red Scare and
112100:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,549basically that the Russians were doing a
112200:48:49,429 --> 00:48:55,219lot of this and you know III think they
112300:48:52,550 --> 00:48:57,350learned as time went on especially with
112400:48:55,219 --> 00:49:01,849high nakai that you know it makes a bit
112500:48:57,349 --> 00:49:03,559something beyond the Russians and some
112600:49:01,849 --> 00:49:05,679
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of the technology they were seeing of
112700:49:03,559 --> 00:49:10,360course they had this project Bluebook
112800:49:05,679 --> 00:49:14,690series on TV this past year and you know
112900:49:10,360 --> 00:49:17,510that was dramatis eyes you know a lot
113000:49:14,690 --> 00:49:21,769yeah it did give you an idea of what
113100:49:17,510 --> 00:49:24,320actually happened but you know the
113200:49:21,769 --> 00:49:27,679Project Blue Book you know people think
113300:49:24,320 --> 00:49:31,100it was probably some type of false flag
113400:49:27,679 --> 00:49:34,690program I don't know you know I really
113500:49:31,099 --> 00:49:36,789don't know what the deal was with that
113600:49:34,690 --> 00:49:38,869you know it's kind of interesting
113700:49:36,789 --> 00:49:42,349nowadays that were kind of being
113800:49:38,869 --> 00:49:44,839spoon-fed this information about UFO
113900:49:42,349 --> 00:49:47,389sightings that the military have
114000:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,789experienced and starting to come out you
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114100:49:47,389 --> 00:49:52,069know I don't really know how to or what
114200:49:49,789 --> 00:49:54,259to think about that you know I got asked
114300:49:52,070 --> 00:49:57,070about that a lot but you know I really
114400:49:54,260 --> 00:50:00,740am not sure why you're seeing that now
114500:49:57,070 --> 00:50:02,960so I don't know you know what's your
114600:50:00,739 --> 00:50:04,699thought on that it's I'm kind of with
114700:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,769you it's very weird that it seems that
114800:50:04,699 --> 00:50:07,569we're going in a different
114900:50:05,769 --> 00:50:09,579erection and just like you touched upon
115000:50:07,570 --> 00:50:12,580I think back in the day especially
115100:50:09,579 --> 00:50:14,920coming out of World War two the United
115200:50:12,579 --> 00:50:17,409States the government just wanted to
115300:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,059tell its people relax everything is fine
115400:50:17,409 --> 00:50:21,069we're done with all this war stuff
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115500:50:19,059 --> 00:50:22,750you're safe and secure you can get on
115600:50:21,070 --> 00:50:24,340with your lives oh by the way there's
115700:50:22,750 --> 00:50:25,389things flying around up there we don't
115800:50:24,340 --> 00:50:27,460know where they're coming from
115900:50:25,389 --> 00:50:33,219and we can't protect you from it so I
116000:50:27,460 --> 00:50:34,780get that initial lies if you will that
116100:50:33,219 --> 00:50:38,649they were you know they were trying to
116200:50:34,780 --> 00:50:40,870sort of calm the nation and so on the
116300:50:38,650 --> 00:50:43,240one hand I'm like maybe it's that so
116400:50:40,869 --> 00:50:45,219much time has passed that now they're
116500:50:43,239 --> 00:50:48,189more open to it but the flip side of
116600:50:45,219 --> 00:50:51,099that is you look at the world now and it
116700:50:48,190 --> 00:50:53,769it's just as angry and confused as it
116800:50:51,099 --> 00:50:56,199was back then so I'm not sure with the
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00:50:53,769 --> 00:50:57,869idea that now you do have the government
117000:50:56,199 --> 00:51:00,069you know just very recently
117100:50:57,869 --> 00:51:02,380acknowledging that yeah those are
117200:51:00,070 --> 00:51:05,500essentially UFOs we don't know what they
117300:51:02,380 --> 00:51:07,360are and that they're allowing it to come
117400:51:05,500 --> 00:51:09,659out so I it's it is a head-scratcher
117500:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,130Juno to your point are we just being
117600:51:09,659 --> 00:51:14,500spoon-fed it you know is it is it
117700:51:12,130 --> 00:51:16,840they're coming a little at a time so
117800:51:14,500 --> 00:51:19,030that they can actually then say oh yeah
117900:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,800okay we admit it we've kind of primed
118000:51:19,030 --> 00:51:22,500you enough we were lying to you all
118100:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,220along I mean it's a very slippery slope
118200:51:22,500 --> 00:51:26,860yeah I agree
118300:51:24,219 --> 00:51:30,879
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now that what I consider one of the most
118400:51:26,860 --> 00:51:33,970interesting UFO incidents did happen in
118500:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,440Ohio it was the case and I don't know
118600:51:33,969 --> 00:51:38,230how to name the case but the case where
118700:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,750the police officers chases thing across
118800:51:38,230 --> 00:51:43,630into Pennsylvania from Ohio yeah
118900:51:40,750 --> 00:51:47,789actually the basis for a lot of what was
119000:51:43,630 --> 00:51:50,980seen in the movie
119100:51:47,789 --> 00:51:53,050close encounter those encounters of you
119200:51:50,980 --> 00:51:55,210know yeah I usually refer to that as the
119300:51:53,050 --> 00:51:57,250great UFO chase because it sounds it
119400:51:55,210 --> 00:52:01,119sounds really cool but yeah that was
119500:51:57,250 --> 00:52:05,730back in April of 1966 when deputy
119600:52:01,119 --> 00:52:09,969sheriff Dale Sauer and a Wilbur Neff
119700:52:05,730 --> 00:52:13,679they'd started out out near the town of
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119800:52:09,969 --> 00:52:16,000Atwater Ohio is off a State Route 224
119900:52:13,679 --> 00:52:17,889I'm gonna get the time wrong it was like
120000:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,268four or five in the morning and they got
120100:52:17,889 --> 00:52:22,449called out there to actually
120200:52:19,268 --> 00:52:24,038investigate a an abandoned car which
120300:52:22,449 --> 00:52:26,318some versions will say that there was
120400:52:24,039 --> 00:52:28,839all men and black stuff in the car but
120500:52:26,318 --> 00:52:31,568it's not true they they found out the
120600:52:28,838 --> 00:52:33,038car was just had broken down but while
120700:52:31,568 --> 00:52:36,728they were kind of looking at the car
120800:52:33,039 --> 00:52:40,359this giant UFO type thing came up over
120900:52:36,728 --> 00:52:42,129the top of the trees and just started
121000:52:40,358 --> 00:52:45,548moving down the road and they chased it
121100:52:42,130 --> 00:52:50,548I think it was 86 miles across into
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121200:52:45,548 --> 00:52:53,739Pennsylvania and at least one
121300:52:50,548 --> 00:52:55,268Pennsylvania officer actually joined the
121400:52:53,739 --> 00:52:57,039chase as well and then it just finally
121500:52:55,268 --> 00:53:00,158took off but you're exactly right
121600:52:57,039 --> 00:53:03,729because when that came out the articles
121700:53:00,159 --> 00:53:05,068about that Steven Spielberg who was it's
121800:53:03,728 --> 00:53:07,718from Ohio but he was out in California
121900:53:05,068 --> 00:53:09,429and was read about it in the newspaper
122000:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,130and he was like wow I'm from Ohio they'd
122100:53:09,429 --> 00:53:15,909make a a great movie one day and so it
122200:53:12,130 --> 00:53:17,409is the when Richard Dreyfuss is actually
122300:53:15,909 --> 00:53:19,630chasing the UFO with the police and they
122400:53:17,409 --> 00:53:21,669cross he switched it up Spielberg did
122500:53:19,630 --> 00:53:24,489because in the movie it goes from
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00:53:21,668 --> 00:53:27,009Indiana into Ohio right so he mixed that
122700:53:24,489 --> 00:53:30,188up a little bit but that opening sort of
122800:53:27,009 --> 00:53:32,199scene is based off of the what I call
122900:53:30,188 --> 00:53:34,148the great UFO chase oh yeah it's a it's
123000:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,119fascinating and it is an interesting
123100:53:34,148 --> 00:53:38,858account and and it's always fun because
123200:53:37,119 --> 00:53:40,809you know the the skeptics will say well
123300:53:38,858 --> 00:53:42,398you know they were just chasing up Venus
123400:53:40,809 --> 00:53:44,979or something like that and you're like I
123500:53:42,398 --> 00:53:47,858don't know 86 miles to the point where
123600:53:44,978 --> 00:53:49,778in the reports they're at we're actually
123700:53:47,858 --> 00:53:52,088saying that you know they were going on
123800:53:49,778 --> 00:53:53,469country roads and at some point they
123900:53:52,088 --> 00:53:55,028were get they were almost getting up to
124000:53:53,469 --> 00:53:57,249
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like you know pushing 100 miles an hour
124100:53:55,028 --> 00:53:58,838but when they got to like these where
124200:53:57,248 --> 00:54:02,648the road wasn't going straight anymore
124300:53:58,838 --> 00:54:05,228these officers said that the UFO would
124400:54:02,648 --> 00:54:07,528stop or slow down and was actually
124500:54:05,228 --> 00:54:10,268waiting for them almost to catch up on
124600:54:07,528 --> 00:54:12,458Mouse kind of thing so I mean you're
124700:54:10,268 --> 00:54:14,828like I really don't think a planet can
124800:54:12,458 --> 00:54:17,078do that but yeah yeah yeah that's one of
124900:54:14,829 --> 00:54:21,579the more fascinating cases that when it
125000:54:17,079 --> 00:54:23,469comes to UFOs in Ohio yeah it has been a
125100:54:21,579 --> 00:54:26,889lot of weird settings you know I was
125200:54:23,469 --> 00:54:30,668Ford's UFO activity I'm can you name one
125300:54:26,889 --> 00:54:32,920that another one of your favorites the
125400:54:30,668 --> 00:54:35,230UFO story oh yeah
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125500:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,670I mean the ones that I kind of like to
125600:54:35,230 --> 00:54:38,349keep going back to is that what they
125700:54:36,670 --> 00:54:40,210call the Lake Erie lights which are the
125800:54:38,349 --> 00:54:41,619little oh yeah the lights that red
125900:54:40,210 --> 00:54:43,599lights that people kind of seen there
126000:54:41,619 --> 00:54:45,609but you've got a bunch you've got the
126100:54:43,599 --> 00:54:49,929the Trumbull case where actually it was
126200:54:45,610 --> 00:54:52,570a 9-1-1 call that came in and it ended
126300:54:49,929 --> 00:54:54,730up being there was like four or five
126400:54:52,570 --> 00:54:57,010different townships police officers were
126500:54:54,730 --> 00:54:59,380actually chasing it and the 9-1-1 calls
126600:54:57,010 --> 00:55:01,630if you dig enough online you can
126700:54:59,380 --> 00:55:04,030actually find them where these officers
126800:55:01,630 --> 00:55:05,769are all basically chasing this thing
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126900:55:04,030 --> 00:55:08,920trying to find it that was back in like
127000:55:05,769 --> 00:55:10,5991994 I believe it was in December but it
127100:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,019started in Trumbull County and then
127200:55:10,599 --> 00:55:16,360moved sort of similar to the great UFO
127300:55:14,019 --> 00:55:18,400chase but not as far but you had
127400:55:16,360 --> 00:55:24,000multiple officers that were actually
127500:55:18,400 --> 00:55:28,510chasing after it the there was a case in
127600:55:24,000 --> 00:55:31,3001988 that involved Lake Erie Coast
127700:55:28,510 --> 00:55:33,970Guard's a couple that were coming home
127800:55:31,300 --> 00:55:36,300from dinner saw this creature that was
127900:55:33,969 --> 00:55:38,439like not a creature craft that was act
128000:55:36,300 --> 00:55:40,180kind of near the shores of Lake hearing
128100:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,340that had iced over but they said this
128200:55:40,179 --> 00:55:44,769thing was kind of beaming down these
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00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:46,780lights and they could hear the ice
128400:55:44,769 --> 00:55:50,380cracking more so than it normally does
128500:55:46,780 --> 00:55:52,210up in Lake Erie in the wintertime and it
128600:55:50,380 --> 00:55:54,160looked as though it was either trying to
128700:55:52,210 --> 00:55:57,250get through the ice or was trying to
128800:55:54,159 --> 00:55:58,599find something underneath it and they
128900:55:57,250 --> 00:56:00,010didn't know what to do so they went home
129000:55:58,599 --> 00:56:02,469and called the police and the police
129100:56:00,010 --> 00:56:04,690said well if it's out in the water it's
129200:56:02,469 --> 00:56:06,159kind of the Coast Guard and so they
129300:56:04,690 --> 00:56:08,380called the Coast Guard and they these
129400:56:06,159 --> 00:56:10,469two guys went out there and actually saw
129500:56:08,380 --> 00:56:13,539these things to the point where these
129600:56:10,469 --> 00:56:15,699triangular colored smaller crafts came
129700:56:13,539 --> 00:56:17,380
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out and we're kind of buzzing these two
129800:56:15,699 --> 00:56:19,029guys that were standing there before
129900:56:17,380 --> 00:56:21,190they went back up into the the
130000:56:19,030 --> 00:56:24,690mothership and then the whole thing just
130100:56:21,190 --> 00:56:28,420sort of took off so it's yeah Ohio's got
130200:56:24,690 --> 00:56:30,550weird UFO cases that it's very hard to
130300:56:28,420 --> 00:56:32,950kind of figure out is it because of
130400:56:30,550 --> 00:56:34,780wright-patt you know or what is actually
130500:56:32,949 --> 00:56:37,629drawing these things in here there's a
130600:56:34,780 --> 00:56:39,670wonder yeah there's one last one that I
130700:56:37,630 --> 00:56:42,670I've always been fascinated with is um
130800:56:39,670 --> 00:56:45,909the coin helicopter incident which wise
130900:56:42,670 --> 00:56:46,490yeah where they were actually there were
131000:56:45,909 --> 00:56:48,519four of
131100:56:46,489 --> 00:56:51,669coin is the one who was actually the
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131200:56:48,519 --> 00:56:54,318head pilot but they had flown down from
131300:56:51,670 --> 00:56:56,329Cleveland to Columbus
131400:56:54,318 --> 00:56:59,568oddly enough to get their physicals and
131500:56:56,329 --> 00:57:02,300then hop back in the helicopter and they
131600:56:59,568 --> 00:57:04,670were flying over Mansfield Ohio heading
131700:57:02,300 --> 00:57:07,609back to Cleveland and this red light
131800:57:04,670 --> 00:57:09,230came towards them that at one point they
131900:57:07,608 --> 00:57:10,969actually believed that they had been
132000:57:09,230 --> 00:57:13,309fired upon and they were going into
132100:57:10,969 --> 00:57:14,838these they kind of went into like a dive
132200:57:13,309 --> 00:57:18,019as much as you can do a dive with a
132300:57:14,838 --> 00:57:20,058helicopter I guess but the beam went
132400:57:18,019 --> 00:57:22,608this red light went down and was
132500:57:20,059 --> 00:57:25,730following them and then it swung up over
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132600:57:22,608 --> 00:57:28,250the top hovered above them turned on
132700:57:25,730 --> 00:57:29,960this green light that bathed all of them
132800:57:28,250 --> 00:57:32,329and the entire you know inside of the
132900:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,679helicopter in this green light then the
133000:57:32,329 --> 00:57:38,390light went off and the thing moved away
133100:57:33,679 --> 00:57:41,449and they that was it that's fascinating
133200:57:38,389 --> 00:57:45,019to me because coin actually was allowed
133300:57:41,449 --> 00:57:48,348to go and recount that sort of story to
133400:57:45,019 --> 00:57:52,159the United Nations in 1978 it was
133500:57:48,349 --> 00:57:53,000actually Grenada sponsored him because
133600:57:52,159 --> 00:57:54,618they thought it was sort of
133700:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,619international importance and
133800:57:54,619 --> 00:58:00,440interestingly enough our government
133900:57:57,619 --> 00:58:01,940allowed to him to go there and and speak
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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,740and the really cool thing you should
134100:58:01,940 --> 00:58:06,470tell your listeners if you go and you
134200:58:03,739 --> 00:58:08,509look that up you know just to coin it
134300:58:06,469 --> 00:58:11,539the United Nations UFO or something like
134400:58:08,510 --> 00:58:13,210that the picture that pops up J Allen
134500:58:11,539 --> 00:58:15,858Hynek is actually sitting right behind
134600:58:13,210 --> 00:58:18,740coin when he's giving his speech which
134700:58:15,858 --> 00:58:20,119I'll be honest I didn't I've had that
134800:58:18,739 --> 00:58:22,250picture for years and I show in
134900:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,420presentations and it wasn't until last
135000:58:22,250 --> 00:58:25,818week when I was giving a presentation
135100:58:23,420 --> 00:58:28,159and I was talking about how I like J
135200:58:25,818 --> 00:58:30,500Allen Hynek so much and somebody said
135300:58:28,159 --> 00:58:32,029there he is and I was like I never saw
135400:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,559
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him back but there is he's kind of
135500:58:32,030 --> 00:58:35,839lurking in the back with his you know
135600:58:33,559 --> 00:58:36,500his his beard his pipe and that kind of
135700:58:35,838 --> 00:58:40,519thing so
135800:58:36,500 --> 00:58:43,420Wow so how can people get a hold your
135900:58:40,519 --> 00:58:46,068books and do you have anything scheduled
136000:58:43,420 --> 00:58:50,450any presentations or anything you'd like
136100:58:46,068 --> 00:58:52,460to announce yeah sadly enough we're not
136200:58:50,449 --> 00:58:56,259sadly enough but I can't keep track of
136300:58:52,460 --> 00:58:59,750them all but yeah the easiest thing is
136400:58:56,260 --> 00:59:03,119my website is actually strange and spoon
136500:58:59,750 --> 00:59:05,579WorldCom and if you go there it's got
136600:59:03,119 --> 00:59:07,980you can get all my books there and it
136700:59:05,579 --> 00:59:11,460actually has a section about all my
136800:59:07,980 --> 00:59:13,858upcoming appearances that I think as of
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136900:59:11,460 --> 00:59:16,980right now they start probably in about a
137000:59:13,858 --> 00:59:19,259week and through all of October I'm all
137100:59:16,980 --> 00:59:21,480over the entire state the vast majority
137200:59:19,260 --> 00:59:24,720of the presentations that I give are
137300:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,849free the ones that they are ticketing
137400:59:24,719 --> 00:59:28,939and charging for are usually for
137500:59:26,849 --> 00:59:31,949charities so I'm doing something with
137600:59:28,940 --> 00:59:33,599the Ohio Wildlife Center so that you
137700:59:31,949 --> 00:59:36,210know they can raise money for that so if
137800:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,289if there are things where people want to
137900:59:36,210 --> 00:59:39,480come but they're like I don't want to
138000:59:37,289 --> 00:59:41,159pay the two or three bucks it's not
138100:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,740going into my pocket it's going for a
138200:59:41,159 --> 00:59:45,569charity so it's all for a good cause
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138300:59:43,739 --> 00:59:48,509and if all else fails and you don't know
138400:59:45,570 --> 00:59:50,039how to find me somebody actually said
138500:59:48,510 --> 00:59:52,740this and it is true if you just type
138600:59:50,039 --> 00:59:58,380weird Willis into a search engine you'll
138700:59:52,739 --> 01:00:03,358find me great so well James thanks for
138800:59:58,380 --> 01:00:04,829coming on the night certainly I would
138901:00:03,358 --> 01:00:06,358love it I mean this this is what it's
139001:00:04,829 --> 01:00:08,219all about just sitting and talking about
139101:00:06,358 --> 01:00:09,569weird stuff so the pleasure was all mine
139201:00:08,219 --> 01:00:11,039thank you for having me
139301:00:09,570 --> 01:00:15,119you take care and have a good weekend
139401:00:11,039 --> 01:00:16,769you do the same take care bye bye if you
139501:00:15,119 --> 01:00:18,240have an unexplained encounter sighting
139601:00:16,769 --> 01:00:20,909feel free to contact me through the
1397
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01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:23,039phantoms of monsters blog slate my books
139801:00:20,909 --> 01:00:25,739are available in amazon.com just search
139901:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,750by name lawn Strickler and all my titles
140001:00:25,739 --> 01:00:29,789will appear now I want to again thank
140101:00:27,750 --> 01:00:31,949James wills for joining me this evening
140201:00:29,789 --> 01:00:34,170and I want to thank you for listening to
140301:00:31,949 --> 01:00:37,099the show good night and have a safe and
140401:00:34,170 --> 01:00:37,099enjoyable weekend
140501:00:42,630 --> 01:00:47,349[Music]
140601:00:56,769 --> 01:01:03,938[Applause]
140701:01:21,849 --> 01:02:02,799[Music]