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Hon. W. RoberE Blair: ''The House will be in Order. The invo-
cation this morning will be by Doctor Joénson.'l
Johnson: ''We p'ray. You direct us in your holy word/oh God,to pray for a11 who are in authority. For al1 who hold
positions of government in our Nation and in our State. We
thank you for the gift of government we enjoy in this
CommonoealtH. Grant ihat tHe purposes of good goverùment
may ever p'revail among us. Namely, the establishment of
order ahd law, justièe and equ' ity, peace and prosperiEy.
Give us espeaiakly in this and subsequent sessions of thks
House the sense of fiscal responsibility necessary to the
maintenance of those purposes in our midst. We pray for
a11 the Members bof this Assembly who are sick, who are in
need èf your com'passion and help. This morning we especial y
remember Represen'tative c. X. Carter. Grant that a'll o/
them 1ay lift their eyes to you, the sour'ce of al1 strength '
and the strength of a1l lifet Hear us, 0h Lurâ. 0ur Re-
deemer and öur'cod. Amen-''Hon. W. Robert Blair: Roll Call for attendance. Gentleman
from,cook, Mr. William Walsh.''
Wàlsh: ''Mr. S/eaker', will the Records show that Representativ sSevcik, Granati, Pappas, and Wall are absent because of
illness.''Hoh. W'. Robert Blair: f'Journal will so indicate.n A11 righie
R. A. Carter is absent because of illnes's. Journal so
indicate. Yeow, weell slip down to the Order of Agreed
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Resolutions, so we can adopt this Agreed ResoluEion on the
ah.... Joint Session at 11:45.',
Selcke: ''House Joint Resolution Number 15. William Walsh.
Resolved by the House of Representatives of the 78th)
General Assembly, State of Illinois , the Senate concurring
herein, that the two Houses meet in Joint Session in the
hall of the House of Representatives , ôn Wednesday, March
7 . 197 j, at the hour of 11 : 45 O ' Clock XM, f or the pùrpose'of hearing the Governor of the State of Illinoi's deliver
his special message on the budget fo' r the year beginning
July l , 1973. ''
Hon . W. Robert Blair : ''Gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . William Walsh. 11
Walsh: ''Mr . Speaker , I move the adoption of ah. . . Joint
Session Re'solution . ''
Hon - W. Robert Blair : ''A11 right y the question is on the
adoption of HJR 15 . A1l those in f avor will say ' aye ' ,
opposed 'no ' . The ayes have it and the kesolution J.s
adopted. '' Now, Introduction , First Reading of House Bills . ''
Selcke : ''Houie Bill 545. Mugalian . M ends the Probate Act.
Firsk Reading of the Bill . Housè Bill 546. Mugalian .
M ends the Inheritance Tax Xct . Firsk Rea'ding of the Bill .
House Bill 547. Yourell. Xmends the Illinois Public Aid
Code. First Reading of the Bi11. House Bill 548. Martin
et alt Appropriates $750,000 to the Veterans Commission.
First Reading of the Bil1.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, we?ll go to Second Reading.
We don't have the Agkeed Resolutions yet. A1l right, we
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have the Agreed Resolutions now, so we#ll go back to thak
Order.''
Selcke: ''House Resolution 86. Lauer et al. House Resolution. '
j .88. Schoberlein et a1. House Resolution 89. Diprima et a . ''
Hon W Robert Blair: ''Gentlema'n from dook Mr William Walsh ''@' * ; *
Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, theie are the .
Agreed Resolutions and ah.... House Resolutio/ 86 commends
the Lincoln Railers Cdmmunity High School for the ahm.L
tr'emendous job theyrve done this basketball season 'and is
incroduced now by Rqpresentàtive Lauer againsk the possibil'ty
of the n' ext few weeks not being so good. House Resolution
88 introduced by my seatmate commends Hilma V. Sandburg
of Aurora on the occasion of her 100th Birthday. And House
Resolution 89 commends Melta Coontz, who has been elected
National Commander of the Disabled American Veterans
iliary and I 'move the adoption of the Agreed Re'solution .''Aux ,
H'on. W. Robert Blair: ''Xny discussidn? Question is on the' adoption of the Agre' ed Resolutions. A1l those in favor,
. say 'ayef, opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and khe Agreed
Resolution's are adopied.'' All right. Secon'd Reading.''
Selcke: ''House Bill 8. Bill for an Act in relation to Fire
Xrms Training.for' Peace officers. second Reading of the
Bill. Three Committee Amendmen' ts. Committee Amebndment
No. 1. Amend House Bill 8 on Page 1 by deletihg l'ine 6
and 7 and inserting in lieu thereof the following and so
f orth . ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kosinski.''
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Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaier, has the Amen' dme'nt been distribuked?''
H W Rcbert Blair: ''Yes.''. on. .
l ' Rosinskik ''kr. Speaker, I take no 'exception to tie Akendment.) . ,,I move it be adopted. )
Hon. W. Robert bBlair: ''Discussion? Question's on the adoptio
of the Amendment. A1l those in favor, say 'aye'. opposed
'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the 'Amendment is adopked.
Further Amendmeh ts?'''
Selcke: ''CommitEee imendmenk No. 2. Amend kou'se Bill *8 on
Page 2 by adding immqdiately afte'r line 20 the followinq:' ' jjsection 5 and so forth.
Hon. W. Robert Btair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kosinski.''
xosinski: ''Mr. speaker, I ah.... have 'personally put in
Amendment No. 2. I recommend its adoption-''
Ho'n. W. Robert Blairt ''Al1 right, the question is on the
adoption of Amendment No. 2. Is there discussion? Hearing
' none, al1 Lhose in favdr say 'ayef; opposed lno'. The '
'ayes' have it and the Amendment is àdopted.''
Selcke: ''Committ'ee Amendment No. 3. Aéend House Bill 8 on
Hon. W. Robert Blair: l'A1l right, the gentleman from Cook,
Mè h dt '' wait a minute. committee Amendment 3. Wel. Blut ar .
'a ' ,hilihuv' .xr. ' Bluthardt ' s at the mike next tb you. ''
Bluthardé: ''hr. Speaker ând Members of the House. Amendment- a to House sizl a is an Aken'ament that would qlve eheNo
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op'tion of trading to municipalities. It would provide that
' any unit of government may by itself or in c'oope'ration with
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other units of goiernment, provide the course oi training
required by this section. Provided, of course, that such
training meeks the standards prescribed by the Board. Now
this has been submitted to the Sponsor and he has no
opposition he tells me to the Amendment being plaeed on the
Bill. And I move 'the adoption of tùe Amendment-l
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any discussïon? Gen'tleman from dooig
Mr. Kosinski.'' '
Kosinski: ''I think this Amendment approves the Bill and I
msve for its adoption.''
Hon. W. Roiert Blair: ''All right, further discussion? Questi n
is on' the adoption of Amendment No. 3. Al1 those in févor
say 'aye'. A11 right, wefre not going to make any headway
' 'on that one. A1l those in favor say 'aye'. Opposed 'no'.
The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is a'dopted. Further
Amendùentsz''
. , selcke: ''Amendment No.' 4. Bluthardt. Amend qouse Bill 8 on
page 2 by inserting between lines 3 and 4 the following.
1.and so forth.''
Honk w. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bluthardto/
Bluthardtz î'Mr. SPeaker.....''. , . < keap suatHon
. W. àobert Blair: Wait a minute. If we coul
out, clearx it's a matter of House courtesy and rule that' ah-- that we keep in front of the pèrson whoes' speaking.
' You stay down in front of him. Gentleman from Cook, Mr.
Bluthardt.''
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Bluthardt) ''Mr. Speaker, Amendment No. 3 is mistaken.... It's
a Committee Amendment and it has been adopted. Now Amend-
ment No. 4 is the one I just explained which ah... gives
the adoptio'n to provide this training to ah.... units of
local government, and I mcve its adcptionv''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Xl1 right, discussion? A1l rfght,
question's on the adoption of Cùmmittee Amendment No. 4.
Al1 those in favor, say 'ayed, opposed 'no'. The ayes have
it and the Amendment is adopted. Further Amendments? Thir
Reading. Oh, any floor amendments? All right, Third
Readingpt'
Selcke: ''Hoùse Bill l2. Being held for Amendment. House
Bill 15. Being held for Avendment. éouse Bill l7. A Bilf
for an Act to am' end Section 19-2 and so forth, the Election
Code. Second Reading of the Bi1l. No Committee Amendments.'
Amendment No. 1. Merlo. Amend House Bill 17 on page 3 by
deleting lines 26 and 27, inserting in lieu thereof the
' following: héncefortho''
Hon. WJ Robert Blair: 'IGentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich.l
Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Genklemen of theHouse, this is Ehe Amendmen: that we discussed thoroughly
on the floor of the House yesterday. We made the changes
as suggested on the Floor of the House'. I move the adoptïon
of Amendment No. l to House Bi11 17..9
. Hon'. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Questionls on
the adoption of the Amendment. Al1 bight, the questionês
on the ado'ption of the Amendment. A11 those in favor, say
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'aye', opposed 'no', the ayes have it and the Amendment is
adopted. Are there further amendments? Third Reâding.l
Selcke: ''House Bill 28. Bill for an Act to amend Section 294
of the Illinois Income Tax Act. Second Reading of the Bill
One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 28 by deleting'lines 27 through 30 and inberting in lieu thereaf the
. followint and s'o forth.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr.
Schneider-''
Sdhneider: ''Thank yotu Mr. Speaker. lt's an a'mendment that
' merely elaborates and includes more individuals who would
be affected by the exemption. It was adopEed in committee.
I move its adoptiono''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the gentleman from ah...
cook, Mr. William Walsho''
Waisi: ''Ah.... would the géntleman respond to a question?''
. schneïder : .'Thn gentlemarz wc a1d be glad t o rezpolzd . ''
' Walsh : ''Ali. . . can you tell me what the cosi o' f this would be?'
schneider: '1We have ah.... Bill, in the process of working
out the dost of Ehe proposal, my original figure was in
the vicinlty of around four hillioh dollars. I was told
in Committee that when I enlarged the ah... numher of
individuals that would be affected by it, it would increase
considerably, but that the amount would not exceed like' seven million'dollars. Now I have not yet p'rovided a
fiscal note on that, and I am seeking it from agencies in
the State.''
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Walshz ''Ah... I wonder if you would oiject to holding the
Bill on Second Reading until you obtaln the fiscal note.''
' Schneider: f'I probably would abject. Noneiheless, I ah.../
it's al1 right. I'd be glad to hold itg''
Walsh: nYou will not advance the Bill, khen, Mr. Speakerf
righk?''
Hon. 'W. Roberu Blair: ''That's cor'rect. 'In the liqht of the
quastion and :he request for the fiscil note, might we
take that out of the record then. All right, now the
gentleman asked leave to withdraw his Amendment from con-
sideration at this time and to take the ahJ... House Bill'28 out of th'e record. So hearing no objection, that will
done u'ntii the fiscal note act is cohplied with.''
selcke: ''House Bitl 32. Bill for an Act to Aëend Sections
24-12 and 24-16 of the School Code. Second Reading of the
Bill. One Committee Amendment'. Amend House Bill 3'2 on
Page 2, line 2l, by striksng the words îshall be a licensed.' .
ttorney at 1aw and' ''a .
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffeo/ ''
'ffe: ''Mr. speaker, this is a cdmmittee Amendme'nt. It elim'iJa
nates the nekessity of the heâring oflicer beini a lawyer
and I move its adoption-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Question's on the adoptio
of the Amendment. All those in favor, say 'aye', opposed
' 'no'. A11 those in favor say 'aye'. Opposed gnoe. The !
'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted. Purther
Amendmentsa'',., -7(7--N
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Selcke: ''Amendment No. 2. Hart. Amend House Bill 32 on
a e 9 ' ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: OGentleman from Franklin, Mr. Harto''
Hart: ''Ah... Mr. Speaker and Members af the House, this
Xmendment would provide that the Offic'e of the Superinten-
dent of Public Instruction 'would promolgàte unilorm rules''nd procedure for the hearings that are conEemplaied ina
this Bill. Ah..'. I checked this with the Sponsor and he
is in agreement with it. We talked 'about it in 'dommittee
and I think the Committee agreed with tEe idea, although
we didn't adopt it in Committee and I move for the adoption
of the Amùndment-''
Hon.' W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Question's on the
adoption of the Amendment. #2. All those in favor, say
' ' o posed 'no' The 'ayes' have it and the Amendmentaye , p .'is adopted. Are thère further amendments?k: Third Readingo''
selcke: ''House Bill 35. Bill for an Act to repeal Section
6b of an Act to provide law in relation to marriages. '
' seco'nd Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendmentso''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any' amèndments from khe Floor? Third
Readingo'' ''
jèlcke: '.:'..' ' .' bHouse Bill 39. Bill for an Act to
amend the civil Praétice Act. Second Reading of the Bill.
. one commitEee Amendmeht. Amend House Bill 39 on page 1,
lin'e 29 by inserting immediately after the period the
following and so fortht''
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Hon W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Leon.''
Leon: ''Mr. Speaker: Amendment No. l Was idopted in Committee.
It merely provides the direction for jury demands. I move
è its adoption-'' '
Hon. k. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Qu'estion's on the. ' . jadopkion of the Amendment. All those in favore say 'aye e
opposed 'nol. The îayes' have it and the Amendment is. . . .
jjadopted. Are there further Amendments. Third Reading.
Selcke: ''House Bill 40. Held for AmendhenEs. H6use Bill
kl beinq held for Amendmentst House Bill 99. Bill fo'r an
Act to amend the Illinois Munieipal Code. Second Reading
of the Bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill
99 on 'page l by adding after the period on line 10 the
following and so forth.',
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cooke Mr- McGah-''
Mccah: ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and centlemen of the House,
this committee Amendment just makes it 'clear tkat khe
sazary of a villaqe President cannot be ràised durinq h. is
term of office. I move the adoption of the Committee
Amendment.''
Hon. W. Rober' t Blair: ''Any further discussion? Questionls
the adoption of the Amendment. All tho' se in favor,on
ay 'aye' opposed 'no'. The 'ay/s' have it a'nd theS ,
Amendment's adopted. Eurther Amendments?''
Selcke: ''Amendment No. 2. Shea. Amend House Bill 99 on .@ .
Page.....'' '
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Siea'.''
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, this is a iypïcal home rule amendmentexcluding it from operation and home rule units. I've d'is-
cussed it with the sponsor and it s an agreement amendment
with him. I move for the adoption of the Amen' dmenio''Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDiseussion? Question's on the a'doptio
' dment' Al1 tho'se in favor say 'aye' opposedof the Amen . , p
'no' The 'fayest hav'e it akd the Amehdment's a'dopted.
Further Amendmenks. Third Reading. Third Reading. House
Bi1l 122. Bill for an /ct to regulate the distribution'
' sale and delivery of e'ye glasses, sun glass frames and
lens and provide for a penalty of violation thereof. Secon
Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments.''
Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''Any from the Floor? Third Reading.''
'Selcke: ''House Bill 156. Bill for an Act to amend Section
3 and' 2.4 ot an Act to provide for the exerèise aùd right2.
2 f the Bi1 l . 'ùo donmti.ttleof eminent domain. second Red wng t> .
M dm0' JRt ''en ..
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: f'Any A/endments from the Floor?'' '
selcke: ''Am'endmmnt No'. 1. Hirschfeld. imend House Bi1l....f'
Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from champaign, kr. Hirschfe d.,
' Hirschfeld: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, a'nd iadies a'nd denilemen
of the House. Aéendment No. 1 to House Bill l56 was sug-gested by Representative Hart and a1l it accomplishes, if
' the Bill is signed into 1aw by the qovernor, it permits
the state of Illinois to recoup any amounts thaE are cur-
r'ently on deposit in the counties'. I don't know of any
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objeetions to the Amendment and I ah.... move its adoption.
Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDiscussion? Questiones on the adoption
of floor Amendment No. 1. All those in favor, say laye',
khe oppdsed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it and the Amendment
is adopted. Eurther' Ahendmènts. Third Reading.''
Selcke: ''House Bill 157. Bill for an Act to amend Sectipn2.6 of an Act to provide for the exercise o'f right of
eminent domain. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee
Xmendmentso''Hon. W. Robert Blair; 'lAny Apendments from the Floor? Third
' Reading.'' .
Selcke: ''House Bill 158. Bill for an Act to' amend School
Code. Second Reading of the Bill. No Committee Amendments n
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any X%endments fzom the Floor? Third
Reading-''
Selcke : ''House Bill l59 . Bill f or an Act to amend Section
l and 2 of an M t itz relat'ion ko prever-tion of aertain
Communicable diseases. Second Reading of the Bill. No
Committee Amendmentso''
Hon. W. Robert Bla' ir: ''Any Amendments from the Eloor? Third
Readinga''
sélcke: ''House Bill 160.'.Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman's asked that to be held. Mr.
Raysonls asked for it to be held.''Selcke: ''House Bill 162. Bill for an Act to a'mehd Section
4 of an Act in relation to acquisition of the 'Illinois a'nd
Mississippi Canal. Second Reading of the Bill. No- .v;K-w
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Committee Amendéents. Amendment No. 1. Kenny Miller.
Amend House Bill l62 on page l by deleting line 17 through
25 and inserting in lieu thereof the following and so
fdrtho''l
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Whiteside, Mr. Miller.''
Miller: NMD. Speaker, Members of the House, the Amendment
I propose has been accepted by the Sponsor, Representative
McMaster. All the AmendYent does is to change the require- '
ment of bridges over the Illinois Mississippi Canal from
the Department of Transportation to the Department of
cùnservation. l'he purpose of tlkis Amendient is that the
Can' al is now a part of the Park System of the State of
Illlnois under the Department of Conservation and this is
whère this responsibility should be. So: 1.... Mr. Speaker,
move the adoption of the Amendmento''
' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? Question is on the
adoption of Amendment No. 1. A11 those in favor, say 'aye',
. opposed lnoà. The layesf have it and the Amendieht's
do ted Eurther Amendments? Third Reaêing.''a P . k
Selcke: ''House Bill 174. Bill for an Ac* to amend the Revenue
Act.of 1939. Second Red'ding of the Bill'. No Committee
Amendments-'' :
Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''Any Amendments from Ehe Eloor?''
selcke: ''Amendient No. 1. pierce et al. àmend House Bill l74
on page 1, line l and so forthv''
'' l from ah ... Lake, Mr'. Pierce.'Hon. W. Robert Blair: Gent eman .
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Pierce: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Amendment was sug-
gested by Rèpresentative ah.... Richa'rd Walsh in the
Revenue Committee. It provides for a condoninium owner
to receive the benefits of this Bill which reduces his
assessment to that of a single family home. He must be
an owner-occupied condominium. We make certain that a
developer of a building who is merelk renEing a condominiumapartment until he can sell it or a c'onverter o'f a building
such as ihe John Hancock Builèing: téat may take them five
or six years to convert the ah... rental building to a.
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condominium building ca'n't take the advantage of a lower
' assessment. so what the amendment does primarily and it
was suggested by the committee, although it was not a
committee amendment, is require that the condominium be
owner-occupied before it can receive the' lower assessed
valuation that this Bill provides', so I move the adoption
Of Amendmenk No. 1.11 ''Honk W. Robert Blair: ifAII right, discussion. Gentleman from.
' 41 ' .Cook, Mr. Lundy. , .
cundy: ,''Mr. speaker, tadies and centlemen of the House. ;4illthe entleman yield for a question on the Ainendmen'ta''g
. ' : , .' Pierce : ''Yes . '' . . . ,% . .
'' ' i limiting the a' h -. application' . Lundy: May I ask, ah.... n ..
of this Act, kB l74 to owner-occupied condominiums. wouldli tion of the Act to perso' ns whothat preclude the app ca
are leasing or subleiting their' condomini' ums on a temporary
basis to persons who are not owners?''xvm'? '-j. . * G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y6 X )t * %.ié STATE oe lut-l-o'sî,. . , .-y;v .x . - . souws oe Rle-iseN-ra-rlves' o al.*SV-
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Pierce: ''I believe it would. Ah- .. that's the reason I
didnlt have this pr'ovision, but I think ah.'. . . once you
rent out an apartmenk, it is for inccme purposes and there-
fore the good we achieve by this Amendment', which is making
sure that developers don't get the benefit of this Billr '
is overcome by the occasional hardihips that an owner
who rents out a%.... may have. However, I would say this,. k . . ' . . ..when he rents out his apartment, he is obtaining income
it and therefore: proiably should be taxed at the fullon ,
40: assessment for income property. I donit believe it's
a hardship for him when he is renting out the apartmenton
Lundy: ''We1ï, if the g'entlemàn will yield further'. It èeems
ko me that the initial purpose of the Bill was to make
the tkeatment of single family homes and condominium homes
the same. Now we don't deny tax treatme'nt as single family
homes to homes simply because they are leased, and it seems
to me we shouldn't do that in the case of condominium homes
' ' either ''
Pierce: ''That's right. I pointed tha't out ik committee that
we donlk in our single fahily homese but condominiums are
a special problem, because virtually every hi-rise rental
. . . zs r asou. building in Chicago appears to be either conver ng o
to convert, and z don't wan: the developers to qet the brea
of this lower assess'ed valuatioh. z want the ow'ner who buy
the qpartment to qet it. And because of this danger, it was
' necessary to differentiate between the single family homes.
We don't get big subdivïsions, where the developers are
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renting out all the homes. That's very unusual-' They sell
the homes off, one by one. Xh.... but they very rarely
rent out an entire subdivision, but a whole building like
John Hancock will be leased out until the leases expire; %
)and they sell the apartments, even after they go into a
condominium arrangem'ent, and Representative Richard Walsh
. poi'nted out that we might be giving a break to those de-
velopers of either new buildings or cdnverted buildings '
and in order to remedy' this evil, we put this Amendment on.
And wien you say it does treat condominiums slightly dif-
. ferent than single family homes, youlre rïghty and it's
because of the nature of condominiums and I thini it does
improve the Bill even though we do have that difference that
you have poinked out.''
Lundy: ''Tf the gentleman will yield to just one more comment.May I say, I don't favor giving a tax break to developers
jo condominiums, but the amendment in its present form.sweeps far to broadly. It denies th'e tax benefits which
'. the Bill originally intended to give to condo'minium' ownerse
..' to those owners at any time that they sublet or lease, even
o'n a temporary basis. Even' for three months or six months
or a year, ah....''the condominiums that they own and that
they'are liable to pay taxes on. Now, if what w'e want to do
i . : zums tuenis to deny the benefits to developers of condom n ,
it seems to me that we can draft a narrower amendment tiat
will accomplish 'that purposee but thâs amendmente it seems
to me, sweeps much ko broadly. I would urge the Members to
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vote against it and perhaps we ean hold the bill and draf t
a narrower amendme'nt which will accomplish the purpose . ''
Pierce 2 ''I would suggest to thàt, that this M endznent puts
the Bill in the shape that I f eel is appropriate . The
tleman from Cook may introduce another Bill to furthergen
liberalize this'Bill if it doesn't work out, either this
i ' in fhe fuiure. . z belie've this Xmendnent clearlysess on or. 1 ,
' . 'takes care of the problem. After all, we are' changing the
present assessed valuations for the benefit of the' condomin'-
um owners and I think we should be very careful when we do
. thai, that we're not benefiting people who are leasing oucapartments for income pur' poses. We have to maintaân the
' bise as éest we éan and I'm trying to maintain the taxtaxbase and at the same tine treat owners of condominiums as
owners of homes would be treated in counties that classify
' real estate, and ahJ...' I think ah.... the ah... opponent
o: the Amendment might want to support my Bi1l, and ik he
.feels it's a little too narrow, then next year or even in
this session, c'ome in' with a Bill to further liberalize it.
. '' First. welre going to have enough trouble passing this Bill,. i . .
u because I waht to tell you, the cook county officials and., ) .
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' the' Assessor of cook county and probably the Assistant. . gyzyMinority Leader of the House, are going to oppose the
' ' in its 'present, more resiri'ctive form. Weire going toeven
have e'nough trouble passing it as it is with'out Amendments
even making it more liberalo''
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W. Robert Blair: 'fAny further discussion? Gentleman from '
Cook. >œ . Sheao''
Shea: *Ah.. Ilm wondering ff khe sponscr would yiéld to
a questioù?e '
W. Robert Blair: ''Ah.. he indicates he will. As r read Ehe
bill, Dan, even wiih the amehdment if Arthur éubloff wahted
to condominiùmlze 69 Wesk Nàshingkon and a lawyer that .
t6èk spéce there and occupied that spaèe insèeaè of
assessing that as an office buïlding, that space could .
only be asse' ssed at the raEe of a singl'e f am' ilk residene'' ein cook County. is that correci?''
'Pierèet. ''Ah.. n6. It's my opinion that this' bill only
à lies to residences-''Pp
shea': ''well I can' t f ind ft there' and the' second would#
be if prints took .uclaring Industrial Park and condominuim) ed
clarifè ' and then turned aroun' d a' nd sold and the' owner
! obailpibd it f csr a Susiness, ah- . suc'h as manu'f actllring
' id ets under the proposed 'amendment '1t w'ould seeun.r tow g: .
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that a11 the industrial pïants in zciaring w'duld thenme
' be subject t6 the''limitation of being a'sse'sse'd on'ly at the' '
' ari ' éin' g1e lamiïy residen' ce' -' '' 's e as a. :. . ' ' . ' . .iercez ; ''Well , I thknk you ' r'e addres'sihg the iill primaril#o'. p
, I w6uld sa'y this. :t don ' t agree-with fou. I think èhe' bill applies oh ly to residential unltsk %he biïl did
p'ass this' House.. virtùally the same bill spons'ored by
.Representative Randolph and another sponsored by Representa ive
: ' i'n the last session two years ago. You are cohcerneerman
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I be willing, in return for your sùp' pork for the b1ll.
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is now that the bill only applles ah.. to reside'ntfa'l' ) . . . . .units. Becapse if there ls that possibility in here,
I agree with you, Representative Shea, it is not
i f it to é ''ly io an'ything 'but beslden' tial 'intent on or pp' its I don ' t: know o' f an' y condô' mfn-ium f actoriei orUn
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condominzum orvice buzzdzngs. z think 'y'ou l'ay have'' somefhing of a red herrinq ée're. BuE in order io-assist
you in feeling at 'ease wiEh the bill, ah.. I would be
willing.. ah.. I would be willing to ah.. except an
amendkènt if you feel you can support *%e bill'that would
make it even mor'e clearer than it is now Ehat the bill '
ap'plles only t;o residential condômi'niums. ''Ii ' 1 ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' 'Sheaz Well, why don t you hold it on second reading and
webll sit down and see if we can kork out something as
. you éay to make i't pallible to a1l concern' ed- i'
' Pierce: ''1'11 be very happy to do Ehat.ror ah.. my éo-leader.
' W. Roéert Blairz I'Por what purpose does the gentleman from
hacon, Mr. Borchers risea''. k z. ç
. B6rchers: ''Mk. speàkek, Membèrs of the House. X've beeh'
informed that it will be an hour and é half befdke the
Governor is herek' Now' hére we arè ' lights on tée podtum'; e*
ànd an energy crisi's and an unnecessary wasEe 6k the. ' . . . .
'taxpayer's money' and the enerqy. Xnd I suggest that they
, be turned oàf-'' '
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Pierce: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, can we hold ah/. this b'ill o'n
1 second Readlng ah.. for another/. tomorrow whilej
Representative Shea and I Work out..''
W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right. The gentleman wou'ld like leave
' to take it out of the recordo''
Selcke: ''House. Bill 186. Bill for an Act to amend ihe '
. , Civil Administrative cod'e of Illinois'; Second Reàding of'ittee Amendmenks. Committee Aéendmentthe bill
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Number on'e . .' M end House Billl 186 on page 2 , line 17 by
' striking lines :.17 through 19 and so forth. !' '
' W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right'. The Gentleman from ah.. Cook.
Mr Telcser, on Commlttee Amendme'nt #l. kold it. Take
it out of the record. All rightt'?
Seleke: ''Hoùse Bill 188. Bill for àn Act to' amend the
. Illinois Municipal Code, Second Reading of th'e Bill.
Ohe Committee Amendment, amdnd House Bill 188 on page
1, line l5, by inserting idmediately after thè word' ' yj'ramp', khe following and so forth. .
W. Robert Blair: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''
kataz ''Ah/. Mr. Speakèr, if you woul; take it out'of the
' . record, please. ' .
w. Robert Bïair: ''All right. Take that one out of the
record . '' '' '
F. B. Selcke: ''House Bill 196'. Bill for an Act to amehd
the Illinoïs Mudicipal Ccde, Sedond Xeading of Yhe Bill.
No' Commlktee Ameniments?''
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W. Robert Blair: ''Any from the Floor? Third Reading./
Selcke: ''House Bill 274. Bill for an Aci to amend.. add
Section 22.2 and so forth and Act creating the Department
f Child'ren an'd F'amily Services # Second Rdading of the ,o
Bill. No dommittee Amendments.
W. Roberk Blair: ''Any from' the Floor? Ah.. Tiird Readink.';. . ... . . ,. .. ..
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House Bills, Third Reading. Now, in accordance with the : ..
Ruleg wevll start o'n Thlrd Reading at tiat poin: whére . '' .
. èe left o'ff yesterday àh.. which would bring us io .
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' Selckef ''House Bill 280. Bill for an Act t6 amend Section'
10 of the Canntbus Control Act, Third Reading of the Bill.''
W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Getty.''' . : . ' '
Getty: ''Mr. Speake/, Ladies and Gentlemen 6f the H6use, '
H6use Bill 280 which amends the Cannibus Control Ac6
ro' vides !or discreiion'ary sentencin'g by a judge af ter ' 'p' ' ' i d t charged with violation df that act w'hiéh. a de an an .
. . .f . . . . .. deals with what We call làrijuana ah.. to place this . .
. ; . ' ;: ? .. indiviéuaî after a tinding or plea o quiltv on probation.
i . w. Rober: Blalr: Now we re on Tùird Reading and we have an'' '' awfut lot of Memiers up on the Floor. I suggest we get. ' . ' . . ' ) ; , . . . . '
' ,in' our seats and those people Fho are not entiEled to thet . . .. ' . . . . . ' . ' ' ' '
Floor kindly retire therefrom. The Genilemanis explaining. - . v j a :' ttyntion' Weell jusi ''his bill. He s ent tle o your a .
wait a little bit-' 'Until you get quiet. Al1 Hight. 'j ' ' ..
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Getty: rThank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to emphasize ko you
a11 that thié applies only to first offenders and it
applies to an individual only once. That is.. if this
Act has been used as regards any conviction one timey. )
it cannot 6e used iy the same individual again. Thb
afféct, ladies and gentïemen cf'the House, Mrw' speaker,
is ihat an individual who is fouhz gùilty of a .violétibn
of'the'mariiuana'laws may be :làced upon prdbation and
afte'r conpletion of this pbobàtion p'èriod succbssfully.
he' may be-discharqed. That is,'no judgment of 'kuilt will
.be on his recoxd to-be a.blemish ah.. on khfs.record for
the rest of his life. ' I want to point out that in this
'day and age, we must vecognize that theke are many of
our young people who have run afoul of marijuana. I wouldalso point out that we have some background in support
'of this sort of treatment. The State's Attorney Office
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in Cook County has througb prosecutorial discretion
ah.. suspended prosecution on amounts up to 50 grams
of marijuana. Ah.. tiis Act is supported by the Illinoisand Chicago Bar Association and it has been supported as
was testified in Committee by Judge Will of the Federal
District Court and Judge zelizinski of the Drug AbuseCourt and Circuit Court of Cook County. It wap passed
' out of Committee by a 21 to 0 vote with one voting
' present. I would ask the ladies and gentlemen of the
House to support this bill. Thank youv''
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W. Robert Blair) DAV.. are you so rising to speak on thebill? Oh, okay. Well, Mr. Juckett was up first. 1111
take him. 1:11 be back over to you. Gentleman from
Cook, Mr. Juckett.''
1, S ker will:ihe sponsar' yield to a coupleJuckett: Mr. pea ,
of questionsa'' '
W. Robert Blair: *A1l right. He indieates that he wi11.I'
'' ih hange z;n the quant'ity o-fJuckett: Ah. . is ere any c
marijuana that would be ah.. allowable for probakion?l'
. Getty: Punder the Act as it presently reads.. ah.. it is
up to 2.5 grama which is a very small quantity of marijuanaAh.. we would raise this to 30 grams Which as was expressed
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in Committee is far more realistic. Two point five is an' listically small amounk. ' Ah.. if it is course materiaunrea
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as most of our local marijuana is, it could be only a
couple of cigarettes that would be 2.j- It could be
just a very, vety small residual amount depending as T
say on the courseness.'' .
' Juckett: ''My understanding under this bill then that this
probation feature ah.. would be just a one time shot.The first time that he was convicted ah.. he could use
j ! .thls provlsion. ' , .
''That i s right . '' .cetty:' ' '' ' i s he would not be able to and heauckett: Any other k me
would have the benefit of the law-. or ah.. penalty of the
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Getty: l'Thak 1 s correctt ''Gettyz:' nIt is discretionary with the court to follow
this.. that's point nmmber one. And it could only
be applied to an individuat person once in his lifetime-''Juckett: ''Now you mentioned, also, that the statees attorney
of Cook Coeunty had exercised iks discretion in going up ,
to, did you say j0 grams?'' . . ' '. t .
'' Getty: ''Yes, in Cook County and I happened to have
recently been ah.. chief of the felony division in
Sta'ce ' s atzorney of f ice in Cook County and .ge had a '
. program whereby up to 50 grams of marijuana ah.. we
would suspend prosecution and place the individual under
What was in effect a probationary status.. what this
bill does. And we would also send him to school. Now
it is my hope that under the terms of this Act the judges
would also exercise some disdretlon and require that
the individual learn the affects of drugso'' .
Jucketts: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the1House. I'served on the Judiciary Committee when Judge .
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' Whente who was the author of the original Narcotics Act '
:: of Illinois. And he served down here with distinction and
he then.. when he went to the Court system, ah.. his
fellow judges made him the Chief of the Narcotics Court
because he was the author of the Act. And he came down
here in 1969 and made an elloquent plea for the revision j. . Iof the Maril.uana Act. And he made it on the basïs that !
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he had some 875 convictions 'under the Narcotics Act
and because there was no provision for probation, there
was no provision for any kind of supervision or trainfng,
he convinced khe Judiciaryngcommittee in the House that
we should make allowances so thak the Judiciary could,
in lookâng at the lndividual treated on an indivldual
matter. And he proved to us thak out of his some '
875 convictions, there were only two people who violated '
his probationary status. But at that point, he said
that the 2.5 grams was more than sufficient for a person
who was a first offender.. for a person who was not
a professional in marijuana. And he indicated tiat the
2.5 grams would be somewhat the equivalent of about
three marijuana cigarettes. Then: in 1971, they reintroduc d
a new bill which complètely opened up again the Marijuana
Act. And now in 1973 what we seem to be sayïng that
is that 2.5 grams is not a suffàfzient amount to really '
. do too much about. We ought to qet up to 30 grams.
And I somewhat wonder what it's going to be like next
year. If we.re g6ing to multlply by almost lo times or
more than 10 times now, will it be 300 grams next year.
Will it be 3,000 grams the next year? And I?m somekhat
concerned that the affect of a little bit is really no';
affect at all. And we really should be forgiving. And
what the heck. Itfs only 30 cigarettes or 10 cigarettes.
For a man, you know, really didn't know what he was doing.
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He.wash't a professional at all. What the ieckt He was .
just.. just trying it out. He was just trying out original y
three cigarettes for size. Now he's just trying out 10
cigarettes for size. Pretty soon he's going to have
è artons of cigarettes. Anda whole ,warehouse of ah.. c
what khe heck. He's just trying .it ouk for size. We
really haven't been shown any proöf of any of the affect
. . . of tùe current law. We havén't been given any examples '
of whether these people are violating the probation on
' the 2.5. We havenêt really been given anything. Except
we ought to eniarge it. And I don't èhlnk that's sufficien
grounds to change a law. And I think that the judge
' was probably zigh: in his first change. But I don't think
' ' i ht in enlarging it to such an extenf thai Uefve) ' We re r g
got professionals in the business. So I think.. I would
all of you to vo'te no in this change.''
W. Robert Blair: DGenkleman from Cook, Mr. Manno''
.Mann: ''Mr. Speaker, ah.. I'd like to ask the' chief sponsor.. . '' . . # . . . . . . .
'M'r . Speaker: I'd like to ask the chief sponsor a question
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'then to be heard on the bi11.'' ' . ' k.. . . . . .. . ' .
. w. Rober: Blair:' œves, proceed-a He indicates he'l1..'' .
. t : 'Mann: ''Mr. Getty, is this your first bill? Yes, it is.
' All riqht. Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House, this is
a biïl which is inevitable in terms of national recognition
of the fact khat we ought not to incarcerate possessors. (
' of marijuana. We ought to, instead, concentrate on
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incarcerating the pushers-of marijuana. As far as I'm
l concerned, you can give them a life sentence. I think that2!. they are that destructive in their affect upon young
people, o1d people and middle aqed people in khis country.
But I do think that we have to take cognizance of the
fa'ct that when we imposezpenalties for possession alone,
' j :we in af f ect drive students into the subcu ture o
crime and drug addiction. We do not approve of students
injecting Horse into their veiné in the washrooms of
our public schools. But weêre not talking about hard-
core drugs here. We're not talking about heroin, weere
' not talking about the other drugs which are habituating
and habit forming in nature. What we're trying ko do
here is focus in realistically on a problem which has
. done nothing but give criminal records to young people' b tional pasttimewho are ïndulging in what has ecome a na
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in this country. Governox's sons: Senatcr's sons,
' Presidentls sons have been arrested for ah.. posession
. of marijuana. And this is one àrea.ikawould seem ko me,
: Mr. Speaker, that the police authorities have no business
' getting involved in. Let them concentrate on apprehension,l .
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' incarceration and conviction of the pushers. Let s not
. divert police attention to the possessorts. The possessors
' are not the criminal in this ball game. The pushers are. ,
But as long as we Concentrate On the Possessor3s, We Will
be neglecting the real source of the problem. There are
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people in this country who are making billions of dollars
a year pushing hard core drugs and pushing marijuana.
These are the people that we ought to be pursuing, Mr.
Speaker. These are the pecple who are perverting the
minds and the bodies of our young people in this country.
And I would ask al1 of you to give very serious considerati n
to this bill. There was a tlme ân khis Illinois General
Assembly when people w'ere lining up to put bills in which
would effect posàeàsion penalties for up to l0# 20 a
hundred years. Now we know and we understand that this
is not the answer, Mr. Speaker. Letfs not make
criminals of our young people. Letfs not drive them into
a subculture of drug addiction. Pot is a part of the
national scene. We knew, we saw and we observed the
total failure of prohibition on liquor. All we did kas
raise the price and make drunkards out of millions of
Americans who are still alcoholics. And that a problem,i . .
'too, that weere going to have to confront. So I would '
say to ah.. my dear friend, Mr. Juckett from Parkridge;
' ' and al1 of you.. this is not a fuzzy, liberal-minded
' ' approach to the problem. On the contrary. It is a
realistic aporoach to the problem. Which will enable
. us really to zero in on the real offenders in this country.
Those unconscionablè persons who are gouging the market
plaee and addicting young people. And I would hope that
this bill would have your support-'', ' I
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A. Telcser: NGentleman from Lake, ah-- Representative
i Griesheimer.n
Griesheimer: ''Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield to a
question?''
A. Telcser; êlHe indicates he wi11.''
Griesheimer: ''Mr. Gekty, I was wondering on this bill if
you can explain the results after an offender has served
his probation and has nokrecord whether on a subsequent
pick-up and convietion, whether the judge could consider
this f irst event f or purposes of sentencing?''
''I would p.. t wopld point out that the fact of theGetty:
prior arrest would, of course, be there. The entry on
h FBI sheet, as'it's called, or the via-vi sheet.t e
would indicate that he had been discharged. It would
' also indicate the lag time and it would be clear that
the records ah.. had in effect, there would be a record
of eile arrest. Ik wouid also be a record t-aat he was
discharged and by the lag in time, I think it would be
fairly obvious as to what had happened that this act
' had been applied to the individual. As far as considering
it for purposes of a prior conviction. obviously, no
. . yar as consideri gbecause he Would hàve been discharged. As
it for a background, yes.''
Griesheimér: ''Thank youo''A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representative Maragos.''
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Maragos:a ''Mr. Speaker, at this time I would like to ask
the chief sponsor a question and then go inko the merits
of the bill if I mayo'' .
A. Telcser: 1'He indicates heîll yieldo''
Maragos: ''Mr. Getty, how many years have you served in the
' State's Attorney Office in Cook County?''
Getty: RAh.. approximately ten yearsz'' ' ' .
Maragos: WAnd during that time youêve seen the present
. act regarding the sutencing of cannibus ahh.. and ah..
possession ah.. of it being ah.. pro.. processed by your
. office and seeing the results of the court's action on '
these arrests that hava been made. Have you not?''
Getty: ''That's correcto''
Maragos: ''And what have you found.. isn't it a fact that
you have found that many times the judge will'fi.. give '
a finding of not guilty when Ehe possession or the sub..
the amount of the substance is just over 2.5?''Getty: ''That's correct. Rather.. rather than impose the
' conviction and then you do not have any of the protectived .
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' .' '.7and preventive measures which this bill would permit.. . ( . '' ' . . . . .' .. e ' : ' ;
? i that is! to have the ah.. first defender put on probation
Where he.. he will realize because of the conditions of '
' ' the probation that he 'has run afoul of the law.. where
. he will realize that he had done something wrong.. where
he will find out and know that drugs are dangerous and at
the same time we build in the provision that if he does
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live up to the conditions of probation, he will not have
a criminal record to haunt the rest of his lifeo''
. Maragos: nThank you. Now I%d like to speak on the bill,
Zre SPOaXZr.D ' '
A. Telcser: ''Proceed, Sir.N
Maragosz PMr. Speakerw Members of the House, I became ak
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' ' co-sponsor of this piece of legislation because I discussed
' this thoroughly, not only with Mr. Getty but from others
' in the State's Attorney Office.and other prosecutors
throughout the state. ' Time and again we put severe
' penalkies for minor offenses at which time the judges
rather than have this defendant be sentenced with a hard
sentence for a small offense will declare him not guilty
when in affect the person may be guilty- This in affect
' by the explanation given tocus by Mr. Getty a few' , ; '
minutes ago, point::out that in some ways it is a harsher
. penalty apoo the posseasor of thq mari4uana ratlter than
a lesser penalty because it fmposes a responsibility.
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upon the defendant and the accused to become more careful,
' . . ' ' '. ' : ' 'that he doesnft be caught during this period of possession.
' Now I'dLalso like to state further thai we have to# ' .
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read tùe' section 10 in whole that the only one who would
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be eligible to receivelthekbenéfits of this Act is one
' who has never been previously convicted under any öffense o
this, not only the State of Illinoist, but the United States
' f ijuana or narcotics. I think Iregardingr possession o mar
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this is a fine bill. I think it is a realistic approach
to khis whole problem and inspite of the few objections
made on the other side of the aisle: I would state that
this gentleman is a tougher bill than the present one
' we have in practice if not in theory. And I ask you a11
to support this bill and give Mr. Getty a very resounding
' send off on his first bill he's presented us for considerat on
. of Ehis House. Thank you.p '
' A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Whiteside, Representative Miller.'
Miller : olfill the sponticr yie.ld f or a couple of questi.ons ,
please?''
. A. Telcser: ''He indicates he wil1.,'
Miller: ''Mr. Getty, I've listened to all of this that I
could hear coneerning ah.. your bill. But I would like
to know, is there anything in these sections referred to
in your bill concerning the age of the accused?''
' . ' I ' js ê . ' ' JGetty: No . . .
' Miller : ''Nothing whàtsoever?'' ' .q . . # ! . ' . ' '
Getty: ''NO '' ' ' ', * ' . 4 ,' . . . ' . . . : .
' Miller: ''A1l right. . The next question and the last one...
' ' i this conf ined to user onlya'' Is there anything in heres
. Wouldoz Would...lallow your bill to take affect for khek
so called peddler or ah.. pusher?'' . ' '
''Eor this reason the answer is no.' Ah .. up to 30Getty:
grams would be an amount which would not be the type: .
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of quantity which 'would be carried around by a peddler.
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The fact that the next division is within the statute, .
within the Cannibus control Act is from 30 grams to
500 grams. Now, the legislature in its wisdom ah.. when
the Cannibus Control was pàssed two years ago, divided
and made these ah.. segregàtions and it was our
experience ah.. in following the Act that it would be .
. that greater amount, that is when you get into Ehe . '
hundreds of grams where you would have the so-called
pusher. I again point out to you that this is not
an autontatic provision. That is , certa '.1t1y >re would
expect that if somebody were f ound or known under Ehe
facks of the case to be as we call a 'pusher' that
a judge certainly wouldn't apply this provision to him
even though the evidence might indicate it was a
quantity under 30 grams... even under the present
Act. Supposing the evidence indicated that it was a
. pusher, but he only had 2 grams of marïjuanao''
Miller: ''Wel1e ah.. 1et me interrupt youe Sir. I'm old
$ .enough to remenber the days of prohibition. And I
' remember when there a different type of penalty provided
. ' for ah.. larger penalty if the person sellipg the alcohol' on the streets for example, if it was more than so many
ounces, it was a lesser penalty if a11 he had in his
' possession, even though he was a seller, ah.. of lesser !I
; ' jquantities. Now what my theory is herey that ah.. if you j
' go up to ac qrams' that this might mean thaE there would
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be ways for pushers to get around this. In other words,
he could have a full pack off. of cigarettes under this
Act and have somebody else standipg by and if he's. N) '
picked the first time, he'would be under this act. Rhis
is what bothers me.''
Millèr: ''We11, can you assure me at a11 that this wonRt.j ' .
happen?'t ' ;Getty: ''We11 I can assure you of this, Representative. '
that the same situation that you suggesk now ah/. canl:
be done act presently is. We certainly would expect that
the penalties, the more severe penalties would be
imposed ah.. on the pusher. And the evidence would so
indicate. And I point out to you that this Act does not
in any way change the penaltyp per say- It merely permits
' La suspension in the proceedings after a finding or a
plea of guilty and the man is placed on probation before'
judgement is entered. Now, this would, of course, not
be khe case and I.. I.. would think thak a judge certainly
would run afoul of the press and the media if a pusher. . .
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were found gullty and they'applled this Section to him.''
Miller: ''Well, if I understand this correctly, the 30
qrams ah.. would be ah.. equfvalent to sonethlng more than
. one pack of cigarettes. Isntt that correct? Normally?''
Getty: ''Yes, it is hard.'to say because there's such a
variation in the courseness of what it is.'' - Ls J'% ',%
Miller: ''This is where I run into trouble with the question
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I'm asking you. I don't know how'the court's going to
determine where somebodyfs a pusher cr just a user if
' heîs gok one pack in possession or two packs in his
possession . '' 'à
Getty: ''We11, from the evidence and, of course, an individual
is far more likely as smokers of regular tobacco to have
a package or two of cigarettes in his possession and not
. merely 2.5 grams. So what welre doing is, we are
artificidlly cutting it off at an unrealistically low
' amount. By ratsing the limits and not changing the
penalties we give the court full discretion to meet out
the full penalties in the law in an appropriate case and
again, in an appropriake case to place the man under this
as I call suspended type of probation without entering the
' finding of guilty. And I again call to your attention
that beeause.. this is very low, the 2.5 thresholdg is
unrealisticalxy low.. judgas.find r.at guilty rather thar.
find guilty and this would end a very inappropriate situ-
. ation if we raised ito''
Miller: ''Mr. Speakere may I address myself to this bi11?''
A. Telcser: nProceed, Sir.''
Miller: ''I'm for the concept of raising it from the present
law. I'm for the concept of probation as a first offender
with respeet to a ruser as concerned. I do have doubts,
however, Mr. Speaker, that this will adequately ah..
take care of the situation to which I've just been referrin .
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I think Iî1l vote for this bill, Mr- Speaker, buk I do
have those reservations and 1111 predict nowe that I
think in.. in a short length of time this General
' Assembly may be called upon to tighten up this law as..
. ,, ) , -if it is passed. .
A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representative Kosinskiol'
Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,
' I think Ken's remarks were perfectly in order and I'm .
delighted hees voting for the bill. Ah.- but I'm losing '
the thrust of this bill with all this conversation:
tharefoze I move the previcus question-''
A. Telcser: NGentleman has moved the previous questionu-
All those in favor signify by saying 'aye#-p
em ers: Aye. . .
'' d eno' The Gentlemanis motion previils.At-velcser: oppose , .
' And the gentleman from Cook, Representative Getty to
close the debateo'' ' '
Getty:'' *Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I
. strongly urge your vote on this very important amendment. .
' ; I point outbto a1l of you that this applies only. to .4 . . ' . I . , .
.eannibus which we commonly refer to as ma:ijuana'- It does:. . 1 ' . .
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'' t a ply to any hard drugs or other'narcotics. ;It is. no p
' discretionary. It is within the sound discretion of a court.
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. to use this statute or not use-it. The penalties are un-' changed. If a first offender is placed on probation under
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this act and he runs afoul ofzthe:èonditions of -his
probation, the court may impose the full sentence under the
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law. I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, to vote affirmativel
for this bill. We need it.'l
A. Telcser: ''The queskion is shall House Bill 280.pass.
A1l Ehose in favor, signify by voting 'aye'e the opposed-)
by voting 'not. The gentleman from.. The lady from
Lake. Geo-Karis to explain her voteol
Geo-Karis: HMr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the
House, I'm speaking as one who has been a prosecukor
in the State's Attorney's office, speaking as one who
has defended young people in i'nvolvements of offenses
of this nature, I feel that this bill is a proper one.
And I'd like ko speaker in favor ôf it, because let us
not 'full ourselves lf we give a child or a grown-up
even 18.. 21 years of age a record from which he eould
extricate himself: I think it's only right- We are here
to rehabilitake people.. not to make confirmed criminals
of someone who will not repeat the offdnse. We are
leaving the discretion to the judge. Surely, any
consciencous judge is not going to give probation or give
a chance to a person to have a clean record if circumstance' '
. warrant otherwise. And I speak in favor of this bill and' 1. . ' . . .
I so vote. . .
A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representative Rayson,
. to explain his vote.'' ?
Raysonz ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, just briefly, and l commend
the qentleman and he's got his vote and itls a very
important bill. I will say that State's Attornies in Cook
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County including the present State's Attorney are
pleased that the legislature passed a bill that they
passed last session. And it became the best bill in-)
' the Unïted States. And they support this kind of
leiislation so that they won't have to con a charge' by reducing maybe 20 grams to 2.5 in order to work '.
. ' .this kind of finesse that the court should have all
lon anyway. So I vote ' aye # on this . '' 'a g
A. Telcser: I'Gentleman from Cook, Representative Duffol '
Duffz ''AK.. Mr. Chairman: I don't need to explain my vote.
Ah.. the board looks pretty goodo''
A. Telcser: ''The Gehtleman from Sangamon, Representative
Londrigan.'' . ' .
Londrigan: 'fMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House
as one Who was the first to sponsor marijuana bills in .
the'last session, several have asked me my opinion of
going from 2.5 to 30. And while I will support this' bill,. . ,
' . ' .
' I think most of us would prefer to see it about 10 or
' 20 grams rakher khan 30. Howevere we used 2.5 previously. : . ' .'.. because it was already the law. It is too low. The
' kincipal point here is that we 're givini more discretion. P
to the courts to judge these cases on an individual .basis and I think that's what we must do in this area.
And thereforee'although I woùld like to see it about# .
10 or 20 grams, I will support the present billo''
A. Telcser: ''Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record.
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On this question l23 'ayes', 25 'nays' and this bill
s having received the constitutional majority is hereby
declared passed.-
W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Renry, Mr. McGrew, for
what purpose do you risea''
McGrew: OMr. Speaker, I don't believe my switch was working.
' I tried ko turn ii on and it didnet catch. How am I ' '
recorded? '
P. B. Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as not voting.'' '
' ' . McGrew: 'lWould you recordjme as 'ayee please?''#
. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the Gentlemàn as 'aye'. All right.
We'll take a little break in the proceedings. Wedre
pleased to have with us today a number of very
distinguished officials from our State Veteran's Organizati n.
And 1'11 introduce them and ask them just individually
. to say hello to us. First Joe Loam, who is the State
$ ,Commander of Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A.''
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' Joe Loam: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Assembly,
thank you for the honor and privilege of appearing before'$ .
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you. . . ' '
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WJ Robert Blair: ''And Herbert H. Jûscowitz, State Commander
Department of Illinois, the Polish Legion of American
Veterans U.S.A.'' . ''# ' t
. Herbert Juscowitz: ' ''Mr . Blair, sadies ana centlemen ôf the
House, I thank you for the honor of being here. And all
I ask is your kind support for any veteran's bills to be
assed. Thank y'ou very kindly. ''p- :'' .
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''John F. Walsh, Chairman, State Com-
mander's Commission, 1972.1,
John F. Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, I want
to thank Representative Larry Diprima for giving us the
privilege of being here today with you people. Thank you
Very much.'' ' '
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Louis Vincent: Illinois Squadron
. Commander, Navy club U.s.A.''. '.
Louis Vincent: ''Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you
very much for inviting us here today.l'
Hcn. W. Rotsrt Blair: ''Henry I'Y ite, the Senior Vice-coamander,
Department of Illinois Marine Corps League.o
Henry White: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House
of Representatives, I'm really happy to be here today, be-
cause it gives me a good reason not to be at work. and on
behalf of the Ma:ine Corps Leaguez I want to thank you all
for your assistance and help you have given us in Veterans
legislationg''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''David J. Finch of Paral#zed Veterans
of America, and he's right down to my right with a nlcro-
' . hone . î' ' ' .#
' ' David J. Finch: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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' i deed annhonor to be here toéay. I thank you-w, ie s n
Ron. W. Robert Blair: ''AI Katz, the grand 40 and 8.''
A1 Katz: ''Mr. Speaker', Ladies and Gentlemen, it is a pleasure
also for rme to be here, representing the 40 and 8 and thank
you for the legislation you have supported in the past and
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we hope we can come back next and thank you again for the
legislation we hope you will support this session-''
Hon. :.7. Robert Blair: Sidney Vick, State Commander, Disabled
American Veterans Department of Illinois.''. :
Sidney Vick: ''Mr. Speakers and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, On behalf of the disabled veterans of the Department
. of Illinois, we sincerely thank you in your past support
and especiàlly for getting Veterans Day back to November
' the 11th. We ask you to continue in those things that are
l'mmenent to the disabled American veterans apd appreciate
. YOLr SUPPOrt.'î '
Hon. :.7. Robert Blair: ''Ralph J. Coup, the Senior Vice-command r
American Legion Department of Illinois.''
Ralph J. Coup: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House of Representatives, on behalf of the American Legion
' . and the Veterans of the State of Illinois, we thànk you for
' ' tèe support ycu ' ve gf.ven us in the past an5 we enli .;t yourI ' .
. continued support in *he future. Thank youo''
. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ' Ostate Commander Pat Harold, Veterans
' .of Eoreign Wars is'not able to be with us today, but he: . . . .
'. ' had intended to be. Gentlemen, we are pleased that you took
this time to be down here and visit with us. Scotty' scardino from the Amvets just appeared on the podium, State
. ,. commander . .1
Scotty Scardino: ''Thank you, thank you very much. It's nice
to be here, though I ran a1l the way over here, so I1m out
of breath. You' 11 have to excuse me. Thank you very much. ''
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Hon. W- Robert Blair: ''And our former colleague, the Chairman
of the Veterans Commission, John Houlihan, is down here
with us.''
John Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, it's sure a pleasurê for me to be back here on the
flaor and I know that I can expect a 1ot of support from
. b0th sides of the aisle on veterans legislation, in this
session of the General Assembly. Thank you.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. William
Walsh.l .
William Walsh: ''Mr. Speakèr, I move that the House recess to
the hour of 11:45 AM.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair; ''All right, ah.... when we come back in,
wefll be coming back into our Regular Session. We will the
be going right into our Joint Session for the Governor's. I
Budget message at 12:00 Noon. So wedll take upbat 11:45.
' A1l those in favor of the gentleman's motion to reeess, say
'aye'. Opposed Ino'. The 'ayes' have it a'nd we'll stand
' in recess.''
' Hon- W- Robert Blair: ''A1l right, the Doorkeeper advises the
senate is at the door, and he will admit them. A11 right,
' ah.... let's be in order. Mr. President, is there a quorum
of the Senate present?f'
President Harris: ''Mr. Speakere I find that there is a quorum
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of the Senate present.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, there is a quorum of the
House present, so the Joint Session will be in order. Join
session Resolutionso'' ' 'à:
Selcke: ''Joink Session Resolution No. 2. W. D. Walsh. Resol ed
that a Committee of ten be appointed, five from the House b
the Speaker of the House and five from the Senate by the
Committee on Committees of the senate to wait upon h1s
Excellency, Governor Daniel Walkere and invite him to
' address tha Joint Assembly. On the rart of the Senate,
Senator Rose, Scholl, Berning, Buzbee, and Wooten. The
House, Geo-xaris, Kempinters, Leinenweber, Elinn and Ike
Sims-'' '
Hon. 5'7. Robert Blair: '1A11 right, the Chair recognizes the
. ) gentlemen from Cook, Mr. William Walshe who moves the
adoption of ah.... Joint Session Resolution 2. All those
. ' l j t # a the fayes' have itin falor, Sa7 aye , Opposed no an
. e'and the Résolution is adopted, and the' Members of the Com-
' mittee will now... A11 .right, we're ad+ksed that khe
' Governor is érriving from the north, and so the Members of
. ' ' the Committee are directed to go to the rear of the Chamber
. ' to direct the covernor to the podium when he arrives.'l
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' Doorkeeper: 'Mr. Speakerv''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: NMr. Doorkeeper.''
Doorkeeper: ''Mr. speakere the Honorable Governor of the
' ' state of Illinois, wishes to be admitted to this Chamber
a i s art . ''
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, admit the ah.... Honorable
Governor and his party. A1l righte if we can be in order
now, we're going to be ready to proceed here in just a very
very short timee and so if the Members would please be in
their seats and Ehose other than the media, of course, who
are here in fronke if they would ah-.. please clear the
. aisles... Members of the Joint Session, the Governor of the
State of Illinoisw the Honorable Dan Walker.N
Honorable Dan Walker: 'fThank you very much. Thank you very
much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker:
Mr. President, Distinguished Officials, Honorable Members o
the General Assembly. I come before this General Assembly
to present to you and to the People of Illinois the first
budget of my administration. It is a bare bones budget;
it is a taxpayers budget. A budget which provides l18 mill' n
dollars in tax relief for the people. 1l8 Million dollars
that is put back into the pockets of the People. There is
89 million dollars for a new program of incame tax relief
throuqh a 350 dollar per person food and medecine exemption.
'V Every taxpayer benefits. The family of six will have' ' $52.50 more to spend on what they want. not what government
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' '' wants. There is 29'mi1lion dollars for the current'pr'ogram
'. of relief for the e'lderly and the disabled; those who have
for years supported government with their taxes. This is
a budget which means more in essential services to People.
We will spend more in the critical areas of education,
kpersonal safety, roads, the environment, occupational sa ety,
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mental health and health, and we will see that those dollar
are productive. This is a budget, which for the first time
in twenty-khree years, seeks appropriations lower than the
previous budget. An appropriation 617 million dollars less
than for last year. We can and we will accomplish our '
. objective, because we will hold the line on spending for
run-a-way government servicçs: spending for unneeded buildi gs,
. ' spending for planners, managers, and bureaucrats. We will
do it because we will tighten our belts, eliminate waste an
reallocate our resources and increase our determination to
see that the taxpayers get a dollar's worth' of service for
every tax dollar spent. When I began work on this budget,
the spending requests were over-welming. If I had allowed
all the increases sought, the total budget would have been
over one billion dollars higher. I could not tolerate this.'
You would not tolerate it and the People of Illinois would
not tolerate it. You and I can agree on these basics.
Government should be honest. Government should 'be effective
' in delivering services to People. Government shouîd not
' promise more than its ability to deliver. Spending can
and must be controlled and unless it is clearly essential
' to spend their money on public needs, government should be
looking for ways to return the People's money back to the
People. The so-called experts say that spendin'g will' always
rise and taxes will always increase. They point to infla-
tion, and the tradition that each government must have pew ,
programs which add spending on top of existing programs.' ...--
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They say that o1d programs have constituencies and will be
offended if.programs are cut. They say that it is easier
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and politically smarter to placate the bureaucrats and the
:' speclal interest groups by spendlng noney to silence khem
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è i their good will. I do notas potential critics and r ta n
believe that government should shoulder every burden. I do
nok believe in government spending as the routine solution
' to the problems. I do not believe thak bureacracy must con
tinue to expand endlessly, or that we must automakically
accept the past failures intnpublic Aid as a pattern of the
' : t'hen we are surel'future. If we say that it can t be dore, .
saylng that it won't be done, and so I rejected the so-cille
expert opinions. In conskructing this budget, I approaehed
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' it às I believe the People would have me do it. For this
: budget, we did not accept the concept that it's always been
l done this way, or that it's never been done that way. I
7 know, and you do to# thekenormous burden of today's local,
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)state and federal taxes. People everywhere are having '
trouble m'aking ends meet. Anyone who has qone food shopping
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' knows the problem. The standard of living for many of the
work'ing pep/le of this State is incredibly going down, be-t
cause paychecka deductionse taxes and inflation are going
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. up faster than income. And People ee
and it is. They feel that in an affluent society: with
' increasing productivity, their lot should be better and not:'
worse. And it should. And we must help. Tn short, the
People in this State need tax relief, not tax increase. !
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' But you, who have been here for many years longer than Ie
know that giving tax relief is not easy. It cannot be done
by hurting the unemployed persons, the child in school, the
elderly in a mental institvtion. It must not be done byQ
dismembering vital programs Ehat bring necessary services
ko people, but it can be done by eliminating unnecessary
spending: by reallocakions, by belk-tightening that I have '
d d that is the meaning of tiis taxpayer budget. Therone an
will be no new taxes and no increases in any existing
taxes. For fiscal 1973, total appropriations, including
deficiencies is 7 billion, 645 million dollars. My budget
for fiscal year 1974 totals 7 billion, 27 million dollars.
' When tax relief payments are excluded, the 1974 total is
6 billion, 983 million dollars. To obtain this reduction,
I have cut hard and deep. I have departed from the tradi:-' tional inclusion of 'fat' for the legislature to cut. I
have departed from the past pr:ctice of requesting greater1
appropriations for operaiions and grants than can be spvnt.
This is a traditional practice. It has been defended in .. :
' ' ' the name of management flexibility. .But it hasz.in fact,
1ed to false expectàtions and wasteful spending. And this' budqet asks you to commit only what we have to spend. These
dollars must be translated into programs for People. The
programs that I am recommending are described in the .c-
budget documents, particularly the budget in'brief, but I
' would like to mention a few specifics. Th'e largest spending'
.2 .increase I propose is for education. For the current year,
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a total of one billion: 64l million dollars is being spent
on elementary, secondary and higher education, excluding
capital. For fiscal 74r I reccmmend one billion, 805 m'illi n,
an increase of ten percent. For elementary and secozdaryeducation, I propose one billion, 230 million dollars, a
twelve percent increase, over the current year. We need a
formula that provides more assistance to the school diskric s.
The total school aid I am recommending moves us t'oward the
primary State responsibility called for by the new Constitu
i d it should be enough to avoid tbe necessity fort on, an
local property tax increases anywhere in this State with on y
a few exceptions. We have squeezed other programs to make
room for this increase for the schools. We have done so,
nöt only because of our constitutional obligation, but be-
cause we realize that no other program is so important to
the future of the State, but I think we have to remember
that spehding is not an end in i'zsal f. Tha goal is quality
education for our children. We must find ways to ensure tha; .
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the goal is achieved through the adoption of better business
practices and effective use of billions of tax dollars.
.school districts should not view increased aid as a license
to spend. Rather, they should increase their vegilence
d determination to see that every dollar spent is a dollaran
well spent. Increased State-aid and T want to repeat this
here today - Increased State-aid should provide the
occasion for decreasing reliance on the property tax a'nd
controlling the continuing escalation of real property
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taxes. We propose to increase higher education spending
from the General Revenue fund by 30 million dollars to prov'de
for reasonable growth. This is not a1l that the higher
education community has asked for, but it is all that the .
State should spend. Our colleges and universities have
classroom space for 15,000 more students than they have
enrolled: and enrollments are declining. At the same'timez. '
there are thousands of families in this Stateg and you know' .
f them who cannot afford to send their youngster's tomany o ,
college. Therefore, the pac'e of construction must be re-
duced and we must find ways to provide for additional
scholarship assistance and expanded junior college programs
and meanwhile, maintainlng the primacy of our senior
universities. I am asking the Board of Higher Education. j 'to reconsider its budget requests in t e light of the fiscal
' situakion and #he priorities that I have ouklined. Ac-
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receive State support. We need more opportunities for
electricians, mechanics, repairmen. There are many young
.. people who rightly prefer this to a four year academic
, course. Spending for highwaysy 530 million dollars, up
substantially from the 449 million dollars for fiscal 1973.
''' : New highways will. be built. But top priority must be given; . 'Tto upgrading the Staté's 16,000 miles of existing roads.
This includes resurfacing, widening, improvinq narrow.
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of People. People who drive to work, to shop or to visit
friends or felatives. To provide for more money for con-
struction and maintenance, we reduce spending for administr -
tion in thak Departmenty by 15 percent. Our public trans-,. )
portation systems cannot survive solely from the fare boxes.
But we cannot be forced to act blindly in an atmosphere of
. crisis. We do need integrated regional transportation
systems. Health care for al1 citizens is a major concern.
In mental health, our emphasis will be on direck care for
patiëNts in state institutions and on communiky mental heal h
programs. Our focus must be on compassion, on understandin ,
on quality treatment, which enables people to resume normal
lives. Our attitude:toward the elderly simply must change.
' It is wrong, I suggest, to treat the mentally ill and aging
persons, whose mobility and mental facilities have slipped
naturally with age. It is equally wrong to t/eat elderly' people in institutions as numbers, t.o be dumped indiscrimina -ely
into inadequate private facilities. Other health programs
will also receive attention and support. By coordinated. lazning, invoiving the numerous state agencies,c.boards andP
' commission, we will be seeking ways of improving our
' ' health services, and in many smaller communities and in some
11portiônss ofoour big cities, many of you are persona y
familiar with this, it ls not a question of quality healkh
care, it is a question of being able to get to a doctor
at all. We must find ways through controlling excessive
costs and frauding insurance programs to make quality
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health care available within the budgets of working men
and working women. We will continue to increase support
for medical education, and at the same time, devise ways
to induce the doctors we trained so expensively to remain
in our State. The State must see the laws regulating
occupational health and safety are fully implemenked. The' measure of suceess will nok be the number of violations '
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. found, but the prevention of work related diseases and
accidents. In children andlfahily services, our aim is .
to provide health to the thousands of children dependent
on the State. We will, we must, end the bureaucratlc
boon-doggles, which have had tragic consequences. We must
see that children neglected by their pakents are not dumped
into institutions and neglected again. We must see that
children abused by their parents are not returned to those' parents to be abused again. We are increasing our commit-
' ment to personal safety. Support for local law enforcement
.will be increased so that we can 'get more policemenk out th re
on the streets, visible where they can prevent crime. 'A1l' J . ' '
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' in one of our lnstitutions. The guards must be Mafe and. . ' . . .
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the number of Yuards and initiate programs to improve their '' ''training and improve their pay. We are committed to the !
protection of our natural resources. The Environmental
Proiection Agency will receive two and one-half million
dollars more to administer expanded programs designed to
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1 the air the land and the water.' This agency isc ean up ,
going to do more than find technical violations. It will
' cease the arrogantkenforcement of unrealistic deadlines and
' the dissipation of efforts on 1ow priority projects. I am. ) '
much more concerned about 'the factory belching smoke of
major industrial areas, than a farmer burning branches onthe south 40. In.... Senator: I'm not about to stop now. '
. In Conservationg the emphasis will be on opening for public
use, a vast land, which the Statœ now owns. I have referre
to it in the budget-in-brief as too much banking of land.
. In many of these areas, improvements can be minimum, so tha
a working man and his f amily can enjoy hiking and hunting
and f ishing and camping . Now other spending will be sub-
tantially reduced f rom this year ' s level . Going to do this
not by arbitrakily cutting, but by looking caref ully to'
determine what is essential and what is not essential .
. There will be reallocation. For example , the Commerce
commission recently enteeedninto a joing program with the
f trucking regulatio sstate Police for increased enforcement o
and wedre going to save approximately one-hundred and fifty
thousand doïlars in rèduced personnel costs at the CommerceCommission. Weere going to spend less money on brochures
and new cars. Welre going to spend less money preparing
plans that nobody reads, and forms and reports that nobody
ds We are going to reduce the number of top a'nd middlenee .
level bureaucrats, who are sometimes there, merely to answer ;
questions from other bureaucrats. For example: in the
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Department of Agriculture, we have cut 35 positions,
unnecessary administrators, clerical help and inspeetors.
I am confident that the People of this State have not
suffered any loss in service and yet the annual savings. '%! .
. .1are about 300 thausand doïlars. In every departmenk and
agency, I'm going to insist on cut-backs on outside con-
tracing, on excessive staffs and more creative savings.
If this sounds simplistic; let me remind you that when afinancial crunch comes to any family, that family weathers
. ' its storm by taking a hard look at every part of its house-
hold. You find pennies to save dollars. And we must think
of spending taxpayers money as though it were our own.
Our battle to controlo... gain control of public aid is goi g
ko be a tough one, and as I stand here before you with this
budget, I know that very, very well. We expect to hold
public aid spending next year below the spending expected
this year. Currently, one billion. 448 million. Next year
one million, 430 million. Eliminating over-payments and '
payments to ineligible recepients will enable us to meet
.this goal. By adding capable caseworkers and allowlng the. . . ' . ,
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caseworkers to help peg#le by liberating them from a morass
of forms and procedures, they can help win this battle
agains public aid waste. We believe, we believe that by
holding our capital plans to what we çxpect to commit and
by commiting only What we need to provide services, we can
live with a more modest construction budget. Now this not
only helps lower the budget this year, it reduces the
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upward pressure on that budget in every subsequent year,
coming from operating, maintaining and paying the debt
service. This will help avoid tax increasesy not just this
year, but in every fiscal year that follows. I have pro-
posed today that we give back to the People of Illinois
some of their hard, earned money. I have proposed that we
i b k l18 million dollars lrin tax relief. The way thatg ve ac
I propose to do this is through a food and medecine income
tax exempti6n and relief to the elderly. The basis of the
income tax relief is a 350 dollar exemption per person in
addition to the exemptions now received. A couple would re
ceive an additional 700 dollar exemption, two people. A
family of four, an additional 1400 dollars in exemptions.
Let's take a look at a family of five. Three children,
earning $10,000 a year. Now, they pay $125 in State income
tax. Under this tax relief program, they would pay $81.25.
There income tax bill will be down by 3s'percent. And I
wnuld like to invite your attention to the other part of
this program. A retired cou/le, whose taxable income '
is $3,800. currently receives $4,000 in exemptions and pays
no state income tax. Under this program, that couple will
èiv'e a check for $17.50 from the State. Now that mayrec
not seem like a lot to some of us, but I*d like you to think.
yo wuomabout what it means to a Senior Citizen. A person
a new pipe, or a movie or a trip to the beauty shop is a rea
lu' xury. Holding the line on spending and cutting the budget
is not going to be popular in all quarters and I know that.
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knocking on your doors and knocking on my door, and they#ll
do it even though that means taking money out of the pocket
of the taxpayers, but I urge youy do not listen to the
voices crying the loudest. Do not listen to the voices
claiming that spending must keep going up. Do not listen
to the voices that are clammering for more public money.
I ask you today to joink with me to resist the pressureto spend more. I ask you to turn a death ear to the specia
i t t and to listen to the voic'es of the over-burdenedn eres
;' taxpayers. I ask you to join me in protecting their tax
. relief. I bring this budget to you today and the days
ahead. We must take it directly to the People of this
State. Thank youmf' .
' Hon. W. Robert Blair: '1All right, Mr. President.''
President Harrisz ''Mr. Speakere I now move that the joint
session do arise.'' . ' . k '
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l those in favor of the gentlemen's .. . k
motion, say 'ayei, opposea 'no'. And the joint session
' is now adjourned. Gentlemen from Cook, Mr. Willian Walsh.''
Walshz ''Mr. Speakerr I move that the House adjourn until
' ' 9:30 Azf tomorrow, March 8, in perfunctory session and
10:00 in regular session.'' '
Hon w Robert B'lair: ''Gentleman from cook Mr. william walsh-''@' * '
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will meet at 2:00 O'clock komorrow afternoon, and the
11:00 committee meetings scheduled for tomorrow will meet
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the gentlmen's motion is
that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 9:30 AM
. tomorrow morning for the purposes of perfunctory and 10:00
' O'clock for Regular Session. All those in favor of the
gentlemen's motion, say 'aye', the opposed îno', and the
House standscadjourned. /
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SEVENTY-EIGHTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
1TWENTY-THIRD LEGISLATIVE DAY
MARCH 7. 1973
10:00 O'CLOCK A.M. '
THE HONROABLE W. ROBERT BLKIR. SPEAKER
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A Roll Call for attendance was taken and indicated that
al1 were present with the exception of the following:
Representative Richard A. Carter - illness;
Representative Peter C. Grahata - illness;
Representative Peter Pappas - illness;
Representative Joseph G. Sevcik - illness;
Representative Fred Tuerk - no reason given;
Representative John F. Wall illness;
Representative Robert L. Dunne - no reason given.
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, Catania: ''The House will now come to Order. The Prayer will
be given to us by Mr. Merlo.''
Merlo: RLet us pray. Oh Father, give us thanks this morning,
for giving us the p/ivilege of coming before you. Thank-
ing each one of the Members, we ask this in Jesus' name.
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Catania: ''The business that ' 'èones before the House. Commit ee
Reportsm''
Selcke: ''Mr. Bluthardt from the Commiktee on Electionse to
which House Bill 185 and 286 were referrede reported sendin. . . . .
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back wilh the reconnendaiion the Bills do p'ass. Mr. Blutha dt.
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from khe Committee on Eleetions, to which Hou'se Bill 2 was
referred, reporked sending back with Amendments thereto,
. with a recommendation the Amendments be adopted and the
Bill as amended do pass and be re-referred to Appropriation v
Mr. Bluthardt from Elections to which House Bills l and
53 were r'eferred, reported sending back with Amendments
thereto, with the reeommendation the Amendments be adopted
d the Bills as 'ame'nded do pass. Mr. Soderstrom fro'm thean
Committe'e on Elementary and Secondary Education', to which
kouse Bills 205, 306'and 307 were Fefer-red, reporte; sendin
bac'k 'with Amendments'thereto, with a bec'ommendation the
àmendments be adopted and the Bil'l as amended do pass. Mr.
kpton from Insurance to which kouse Bill l44 was Yeferred,
reported sendinq bàck With Amendments thereto, with the
recommendation th'e Amendments be adppted ànd the Bill as
amended do pass. M/. Epton from Insurance to 'which House
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3.Bills 149, '151 were referred, reported sending back with
a recommendation the Bills do pass. No furkher Committee
Reports.''
Catania: ''Introduction on the First Readingo''
Selckez ''House Bill 505. Philip. Amend State Police Act.
First Reading of Ehe Bill. Hoise Bill j06. Emil Jonei
et al. Amends,public Utility Act. First Reading of the
Bill. House Bill 507. Jones et al. Aiends Public
Utifity Act. First Reading of ihe Bill. House Bill 508.'
Aé i to Public'officialsMcMaster et a1. ends an Act relat ng
holding other of f ices . First Readiïxg of the Pill. . liouse
Bill 509. kcMaster et al. Section of Probation Ofticerls
. Act. First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 510'. McMasker
et al. Amends Revenue Code. First Reading of the Bill. '
House Bill 511. McMaster et a1. Amends the Highway Code.
First Reading of the Bill. House Bill 512. McMaster.
Amends Municipaï Code. First Reading of the Bi11. House
' Bill 513. McMaster et a1. imends an Act relating co the
Election of County Board Members. First Reiding of thek
Bill 'House éill 514.' McMaster et aà. Amends the Electio
. . Code. First Reading of the Bill. 515. McMaster èt al.
Adds section to counties Act. First Reâdin' g of Bill. Hous
Bill $16. McMaster et al. Amends the Counties Act. First
Reading of the Bill. House Bill 5171 Mckaster. Amends
the Township Act. First Reading of the Bill. 518.
Mckastèr. Amends Ehe Illinois Inheritance Tax Act. FirstReading of the Bill. 519. McMaster et al. Transfer' s the
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Authority to pay certain township funds. First Readinq of
the Bi11. 520. MeMaster. Amends the Counties Act. First
Reading of the Bill. 521. McMaster. Amends an Act in
relation to County Zoning. First Reading of the Bill. 522' )
McMaster. Amends an Act r'elaking to State Revenue Sharing.
First Reading of the éill. éouse Bill 523. Muéphy et al.
Amends Sheriff's Act. First Reading of the Bili. 524.
Murphy et a1t Amends state Police Act. First Reading of
the Bill. 525. Murphy et a1. imends Municipal dode. Fir t
Reading of the Billk 526. J. J. Wolf. Amends an Act and
provides law in reiaiion'to Marriages. First Reading of
the Bill. 527. Kenny Miller et al. Amends Probate Act.
First Reading of the Bill. 528. Day et a1. Amends the
kage Deduction for benefit of c'reditors Act. eirs't Reading'
of the B1lï. 529. Day et a1. Provides for State payment
' on àccount of benefits for State pröperty resulting from
local improvements made by special assessment. First ieadi g'
of the Bilf 53o schneider et al. crèates the office
of ombudsman. First Reading of the'Bill. 531. Kosinski.
'Apprbopriatesb3o m'illlon dollars to the Commission of
savlngs and Loa'n. F'irst Reading of the Bill. House Bill. . ' . .
532. #linn. Amends the Provision of the Illinois Govern-' mèhtal Ethics Act. First Réàding of the Bill. 5331
. Matijevich. Creates the Youth Camp Act. First Reàding of
the Bill. 534. J. J. Hill, et al. Appropriates $3,500,000
to the Departm'ent of Transportation. Eirst Reading of the
Bill. 535. Matijevich 'et al. Amends an Act in refation
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j Mcclain et al. Amends the Department of Children and);
Eamily Services Act. Pirst Reading of the Bill. 537.
Harpstrite et a1. Apprcrpriates $235,000 to the City of
j Salem. First Reading of the Bill. 538. Murphy. Conveys
j a 20 foot strip of land in Lake County to ownèrs of idjoini g
property. Firsk Reading of khe Bill. 539. Blades et a1.lAmends the Illinois Horse Racing Act. First Reading of the
Bill. 540. Houlihén et al. Amends the Liuuor ControlAct. Pirst Reading oi the Bill. 541. Blades et al. Amen s
the Electric Suppliers Act. èirst Reading of the Bill.
542. Rigney et af. Amends Motor Fuel Tax Act. Pirst
Reading of the Bill. 543. Rayson et al. Amends Fair
Employment Practice Act. First Reading of the Bill. 544.
Rayson et al. Amends the Criminal Code. 'First Reading of
the Bil1.''
tatania: ''We'll now go to the House Joint Resolution and
the Constitutional Amendments.'' ' .
Selcke: ''House Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment l9.
Jaffe et al. Resolved 'by khe éouse of Representatives of .. . '
.s j..the 78th General Assembly of the State of Illinois, the
àenate concurring herein, that there' shall be submitted to
the electors of the State for adoption or rejection at theùeneral Election next occurring àt least six months after
the 'adoption of this Resolution, a proposition to amend
section 3 of Article VII of the Constitution to read as
follows: 'Article VII. Section 3. County B6ards. A.zo'V
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A County Board shall be elected in each County. The number
of Members of the County Board shall be fixed by Ordinance
ïn each County with a limitation prcvlded by law. B.
The General Assembly by law shall provide methods available3
to a1l Counties, except Coak County, for the election of
' County Boa' rd Member's. No county shall change its method
of electing Board Members except as àpproved by County-wide
ref breiiduin. C. Members of the Cook County Board siall b'e
elected from 15 single member districté. Each member shall
be a resident of the District he represehts. No later than
June 30èh, the year after the adoption of this Amendment
an'd the year after each Federal Census year thereafter, the
Cbok County Board by ordinance shall divide the county into
15 single member dlstricts from whlch the Members of the
County Board shall be elected at the next ele-ction bf'the
County Board Members, and each election of County Board
Members thereafter untl.l the County B'oard is 'required to
be redistricted. The method of electing Members of Cook
' ùb t to change by rdferendum. 'county Board is not s jec
i i nal Amendmént-wFirst Reading of the Const tut o
catania: ''àepresentative simms, are you moving to adjourn
the House until 10:007 All those in favor, signify by ,'f u ' a M tion carried''' 'saying aye
, all oppose . o .
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