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Epic 40min talk on Web Hooks originally given in 2008. More information at http://webhooks.org
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WEB HOOKSProgrammable World of Tomorrow
and the
Jeff Lindsayintroductiontalk about this idiom, show examples, share ideas, explain significancehow many are familiar with this idiom?
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for those that don’t know: a story
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Web ServiceHi, I’m Twickr,
a new web service.
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Cool. Sign me up.
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“Twickr”Okay, you’re all set. Now listen...
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“Twickr”I might find myself with some
data you might be interested in.
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Alight, hold on a sec...
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hack hackety hack
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Could you just post it here when you have any?
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“Twickr”...sure, why not.
Hmm, what is that URL?
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It’s a PHP script I putup on Dreamhost.
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What does it do?
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Whatever I want...
web hooks are simple http event notifications meant to trigger other web scripts
the idea is not new, but not exactly popular. why?paypal has been doing it for ages
instant payment notification is a web hook
“When a customer pays you, PayPal posts a notification to your server at a URL you specify.”
here’s a diagram. they’ve since added anti-spoofing by requiring a validation step. useful pattern, but not core to the idea
started thinking about this in 2006.everything flashed before my eyes and was confused why it wasn’t used more.felt like i was taking crazy pills
compare to REST.
both have been around longer, but the point is rest simpler.. in fact, it’s almost described as “using HTTP properly”but not until it got a name could it be used in discourse to make it popular
REST
Hooks
rest and web hooks are two sides of the same cointhey complement each other in ways i’ll get to laterbut i just want to give this pattern a name, and start associating some ideas with it
Push
Pipes
Plugins
talk is split into three sectionsways to look at the use of web hooksicons will hopefully make more sense as i talk about them
Pushlet’s get started with pushpeople are starting to talk about push in the context of web content
because of feeds. or rather, the success of feedsit started with blog feeds, then comment feeds...
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
then soon exploded into twitter feeds, photo feeds, activity feeds, event feeds, bookmark feedseven feeds of feeds
it makes you think of feeds like in the telecom world
data coming directly to you
but we know that’s not how it works
?
instead we have to go request the data
then it gives it to us. and we do this over and over. are we there yet? are we there yet?
?
feeds made sense in a world where feed readers ran on desktops that couldn’t be pushed to over http
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of course, now we have other web applications consuming feeds and it doesn’t make senseeven our feed readers have become web applications
evan and kellan gave a great talk about this, and their proposed solution: xmppi have a condensed version of this talk. the slides speak for themselves
(aka XMPP)
they have a great point. polling sucks, and xmpp is a pretty good solution for data streams
but it’s kind of heavy weight. it does a lot and makes a decently complex little system.luckily it’s not *that* hard to use with today’s library support
joshua schachter responded to this talk in a blog post.i don’t know him, but he sounds like a smart guy
“One solution that occurred to me at the time was to build a simple callback system over HTTP.This would fall comfortably between full polling and full persistent publish/subscribe.”
i think you’re onto something joshua.i just don’t know about the name PIMP (or even Push RSS really).it *is* a nice place between polling and xmpp pubsub
it’s worked for paypal...
evan and kellan did point out there are extremes when it comes to data streams.most data streams will probably fall somewhere in between,but i do think xmpp is perfect for the fast and furious end
microformats
i’m a fan of microformats. not just in what they do, but how they do it.very ground up, grassroots... take existing popular use-patterns and make it a convention.like web hooks, microformats can be viewed as an alternative to something: xml+rdf
“Here's a new language we want you to learn, and now you need to output these additional files on your server. It's a hassle. (Microformats) lower the barrier to entry.”
xml+rdf vs microformats
tantek is a big microformats evangelist. he says....
so i told him about web hooks. “what are they?” “push over http” “how are they diff than xmpp?” “they’re a lightweight alternative”
“Good. XMPP needs a competitor.”
xmpp vs web hooks
he says...
this was encouraging. i mean, when tantek talks, you listen...if for no other reason than
he gets the chicks
started spreading the word as “web hooks” and it started popping up places.this is a standard for discovering and subscribing to content changes.they use both web hooks and xmpp, which is a good sign.good idea, but standard specs alone don’t get very far
gnip though. let me tell you about gnip...if we could just figure out what they do...ah, no, they’re on to something
Polling
they started with the goal to eliminate polling. Great!
but they do a lot in several dimensions, so its hard to explain all that they do.notice they mention web hooks though... so i gotta figure out what they do.
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Source Destination
Publisher Consumer
ok. so here’s what i found out. they’re an adaptor for data streams, letting publishers and consumers choose their format, protocol, and mechanism of choicevarious formats, polling or push using web hooks or xmpp (soon).
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Source
Publisher Consumer
so for example, i want a digg data stream
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Source
Publisher Consumer
they provide in rss over rest, which means polling
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Source
Publisher Consumer
but i want web hooks with an atom payload.gnip makes it happen
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Publisher Consumer
same thing if twitter provides xmpp notifications, but i have rss polling infrastructure...gnip makes it happen
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Publisher Consumer
cases like with friendfeed (which doesn’t actually work with fb)say fb provides atom over rest, but friendfeed doesn’t find that efficient... they want xmppgnip
RSSAtomXML
Format
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
Web HooksXMPP
REST
Protocol + Mechanism
RSSAtomXML
Format
Publisher Consumer
even something as redundant as polling atom on both ends, gnip offloads the polling stress from facebook (and adds filters, etc)
Push is good.
so the moral here is that push is good.
XMPP is ideal when needed,but Web Hooks generally do the job.
as far as xmpp vs web hooks, i think they both have their place.
But push is not the point.
so far, push has been about pushing content. this is not that interesting to me. i like functionality. and as simple as web hooks are, they have something xmpp doesn’t:simple code triggering
Pipesi love this photo. even more than the cute kid pushing the car
there once was a command linenav filesystem, launch apps, scripting environment.but it had an extra something special: pipes. letting you combine applications
Program
Input Output
all from a bit of infrastructure involving input and output
Program
STDIN STDOUT
STDERR
stdin, stdout were available to reroute wherever the user wantedmost common use was chaining commands together: piping
cat
xargs
wc
mailecho
grep
wget
so you had all these simple little programs, that might not even be useful alone
cat
xargs
wc
mailecho
grep
wget
string them together...
grepcat
xargs
wc
mailecho
wget
mailgrepcat
xargs
wc
echowget
and you have something more useful than the sum of the parts
Write programs to work together.
Write programs that do one thing and do it well.
Write programs that handle text streams, because that is a universal interface.
this helped put forth the unix philosophy
Program
STDIN
but it doesn’t work without the output. it just breaks.
Web App
API
unfortunately that’s how the web is today. we can talk to web apps, but they really can’t talk to us. or anything else really.
Web App
API Events
it’s not that they can’t, they just don’t. we need to start placing event hooks in.
Web App
REST Hooks
those roles are best played by mechanisms that use the protocol the web is built on
backhoe
+
front-loader + excavator
Basecamp
mailgrepcat
so we want to combine web applications like we can CLI programs.get more than the sum of the parts. web hooks open up this possibility, but need like APIs, need to be implemented
Basecamp
imagine basecamp with a bunch of hooks for events
Basecamp
Project finished
Todo completed
Milestone created
Contact added
File uploaded
Basecamp
My handlerhttp://example.com/handler
users can write handlers that are just web scripts. they have a url, and thats what you give basecamp
Basecamp
My handlerhttp://example.com/handler
it’s code. it can do anything from there. integrate with other services, make a phone call, order pizza, whatever
Basecamp
Todos
for example, all these apps share data about todos. they each have respective specialized talents,but all work with todos. by putting hooks on todo CRUD, you can use their apis to keep them synced pretty well. magically. real-time.
Service integration
web hooks enable service integration
Composability
adding composability to web apps
Code as glue
based on the idea that web urls can run code. and code can do anything.
when i first thought about this, cheap PHP hosting was all over, but it could be even simpler.there are paste bins like this one. made to share formatted code with people over IRC or email
put in some code you want to share or ask a question about
http://pastie.org/84826
hit save and you get a URL you can share when you ask “where’s the data stored?”
i’m thinking of the same thing, but that you write handlers with
http://pastie.org/run/24576
and saving doesn’t just give a url to view, but to run. pass that url into an app with web hooks
Basecamp
Project finishedhttp://pastie.org/run/24576
for example, basecamp. now when you finish a project, everybody meets for shots in the break room.
fortunately, we have this. it’s called appjet by ex googlers.
just hit a button, write code, hit save, share the url. it’s javascript
obviously app engine, although it’s a little more involved than appjet for quick handlers.but it is an option for python.and there are ruby/rails hosts like heroku
one thing i’ve been working on is an extension to integrate these ideas.
Hey, there’s an event hook here!
by detecting some markup in a page, it discovers hooks. like say for new photos from contacts.you want to do something when that happens, click it
Save
and write some code. hit save, it posts to AppJet (or wherever), registers the handler (assuming a standard protocol), and done. all inline.go back and change the code.
Real world examples
but these are all mockups and what-ifs... there is a world of web hooks already evolving...
i started by exposing svn hooks as web hooks in devjavu
i talked about web hooks enough using pbwiki as an example, their mysterious cto decided to implement them
and apparently really liked what he found
went all out on hooked events. not sure if it’s made it to production, but really cool
github though. they had a push hook. in fact, they linked to my blog post from their homepage for a long time.
they’ve been doing really well with web hooks. we’ll come back to them...
“Building projects with web hooks in mind lets me keep the core Lighthouse source focused, while external services live in their own libraries.”
--Rick Olson
from there the idea silently spread to other rails guys.rick olson used them in lighthouse
“We implemented web hooks a while ago and people have been building all sorts of unexpected stuff on top of it.”
--Tobias Lütke
tobias used them in shopify. i’m told he’s revamping their api to have more hooks
and back to github. they were so successful with the adhoc integration, they formalized it.but in the best way! using their existing web hook infrastructure. they just have modules running in a separate but local web service.
in fact, that lets them open source it. letting people fork, write new handlers, and push back.this is probably going to be the standard model of service integration.
and a great example of services integrated with github, besides lighthouse, is runcoderun.they run your regression tests for you. continuous integration in the sky. love it.they sign you up automatically if you put their hook in github.
then there’s martyn and andy. two guys in the uk that love web hooks.they built this thing called spaghetti junction at a hackday. it involved into...
switchub. i REALLY love this. i knew this sort of thing would emerge, but i didn’t think it would happen until web hooks were more popular. kind of like the pastinbin code runner, they let you create hook inputs with urls to put in apps that you can route to various output handlers: email, irc, etc
my example switchboard. this kind of feels like gnip, only more focused and more about web hooks. so i like it lots.
opening handlers up like github. anybody can write handlers soon.working with them a little to make it real awesome.
for example, i suggested rss as an input, but that would require polling. well distribute it!let somebody like rssfwd implement hooks and use them. wow, what other services could you build around switchub?
switchub is more of how i envisioned piping on the web.yahoo pipes was a great experiment, but it’s not real pipes. no integration. only aggregation.
i visualize it more like this. reason: virtual rack mounts
flip it around and wire them together however you like. totally cool.
and of course i mentioned paypal. but i should mention, web hooks make so much sensefor paypal... they’re not so much about pushing content, but INTEGRATING. that’s whatweb hooks are great for, even though they can be used for content push.
jott is another example of a web hook implementer that doesn’t know it. they parse voice over the phone and do stuff with it, like post to twitter, etc
they do it with “Links”... which are just hooks. they post to a script that does something with the parsed text. really cool for todos.
User jotts toa Jott Link
The message isconvertedinto text
Message is sent viaHTTP Post to a
web page
Jott reads back theresponse and sendsit via SMS & SMTP
User receivesinformation back
here’s their diagram. totally web hooks.
so, thinking back to switchub, and like jott, there’s a lot of cool ideas for something to web hook services. I made mailhook to parse incoming email and trigger scripts to handle it. very useful.
GAE community made one because GAE doesn’t have a way to accept email. web hooks were the obvious solution.
rick olson has an open source non-hosted ruby version that will do xmpp.he uses it for lighthouse.
but smtp2web is interesting because it was made because of the limitations of GAE...
in fact a lot of people made these kinds of “micro webservices” to do simple things GAE didn’t do.
http://movq.net
here’s a couple from a site i found. they have a cool cron service ... should be useful in the web hooks ecosystem
making things more web friendly... working with lisa dussault to make a IMAP to REST bridge...
this makes working with email mailboxes way easier in the context of the web
it’s neat to see it in netnewswire. looks like mail.app
point is to make more protocols easier to work with from web scripts in fairly limited environments... because there will be more of them as the cloud grows
Write services to work together.
Write services that do one thing and do it well.
Write services that interact with HTTP, because that is simple + ubiquitous
...and it’s already in your stack.
but these micro webservices are like the tiny CLI programs that aren’t very useful by themselves. but they need a means to interact with other apps, and web hooks have been the obvious solution. so i’d like to start pushing these tenets, similar to the unix philosophy
jon udell talks about websites as data sources that can be reused and remixedtoday that idea isn’t very novel
“a new programming paradigm that takes the whole Internet
as its platform”
he envisions the Internet (and I’ll say the web) as a programming paradigm. i’d say also an OS, but that’s for another time. but it won’t be true until apps are composable and easily integratable.
that’s the future i see though.
Pluginsthere’s one more thing i want to talk about.
web was a bunch of pages linked together.
but people kept wanting to access other things through the web (like me today)
so they developed cgi
tangent: this is a neat find. was on reddit. andreessen proposing IMG tag.people fought it, said it needed to be more generalized.he just put it on mosaic and that was that
so these pages... today... because of cgi
are actually the result
of these higher order nodes... the code... the apps. this is most of the web today. neat how that evolved
so you have these applications
and the difference you might think is backend and frontend.but there is a subtly different way to think about it
ContentLogic
logic and content. the read-write web gave us user contributed content...i want user contributed (democratized) logic.
ContentLogic
not just integrating and composing apps
ContentLogic
but extending apps...
almost called this section Platforms.platforms are really cool. we all love them.i LOVE them, so fb platform was really cool.asked a friend how it worked. he said “web hooks”
sure enough, this looks like web hooks to me. as long as it’s http, calling out... but then using the results in their app? thats different...
in fact a few people have used web hooks for plugins. dabble is a great example.
they do online databased for people that use excel as a database.
their plugin API is great. it uses web hooks!
“Dabble plugins allow Dabble applications to create new, derived fields by calling out to external HTTP-accessible applications. This solves the problem of safely enabling
extension of a centrally-located hosted application, in that, while you’re writing code to extend and enhance the behavior of a Dabble application, your code never
actually runs inside Dabble.”
[General]Name = Amazon Sales Rank
[Sales Rank by ISBN]URL = http://chadfowler.com/dabble/amazon_sales_rank.cgiInput = TextOutput = Number
only they have an extra layer for meta data. but that’s a cool pattern.
“If you’ve used a UNIX-based operating system, you’re probably familiar with the notion of pipes. The output of one program is piped into the input of another, creating a filter chain. This is conceptually the same as the way Dabble’s plugin IO works.
Nice and simple.”
of course, they compare it to pipes. the simplicity. the natural fit of it.
of course, i think they should have web hooks for all their standard CRUD events... this way their database apps can integrate (like PayPal) with the rest of your workflow
in fact, all these “app platforms” like coghead and salesforce should have web hooks.that would make them more useful, less silo’d off into just processing data in their world
here’s a little microplatform i made last month.a twitter bot platform using web hooks.in fact, i built it with web hooks... using mailhook and appjet.
here’s the code.
you just register hooks, give them a name, and DM tdo with the command and arguments.
IMified uses web hooks. sells the tech too: “allows anyone with basic web programming skills to quickly and easily create ...”
General SystemsTheory
close by dropping some GST on you
General SystemsTheory
central tenet is value is not in the elements or parts of a system
General SystemsTheory
the real value is in the interactions, how they work together. this creates the emergent phenomenon of a system, and defines its behavior
Degrees of freedom
increase the ways to work together, the means of combination, increases the DoF
Increase possibility space
uncover new opportunities in business, tools, and empowerment
“a new programming paradigm that takes the whole Internet
as its platform”
sounds cool
Web APIs
half way there
Web APIsWeb Hooks
not hard to go the rest of the way
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