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  • Parent Ego State

    Adrienne Lee



    Conferences • Interviews • Training


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    First published 2014

    Copyright © John Wilson 2014

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    Adrienne will discuss and explore parent ego state theory and introduce her new

    ideas about the different roles or parts of parent that are expressed externally as well

    as experienced internally.

    She invites the audience to join the theoretical discussion and apply it to their own

    practice with clients and to their own parenting experience.

    Adrienne Lee is very generously offering a 10% discount on her upcoming Parenting

    Workshop to onlinevents viewers.

    Click here for more details.

    About Adrienne Lee BA MPracNLP TSTA(P)

    Adrienne is a Teaching and Supervising Transactional

    Analyst, a UKCP Registered Psychotherapist, and a

    Master Practitioner in NLP.

    She has been practising as a psychotherapist for over 30

    years, and has been centrally involved in the

    development of TA in Britain from its earliest beginnings.

    Originally trained by the late Professor John Allaway,

    Adrienne is a founder member and past Chair of the UK’s

    Institute of Transactional Analysis (ITA). She has served

    in many committee posts in the ITA and the European

    Association for Psychotherapy (EAP), and is a past

    President of the European Association of TA (EATA).

    In 2010, Adrienne was awarded the EATA Gold Medal, given for “outstanding

    services to TA in Europe”.

    About #TATuesdays

    UKATA Logo#TATuesdays are a series of events organised

    in collaboration with the UKATA, we are looking forward to

    working with a number of practitioners from the field of

    Transactional Analysis as a way of getting to know more

    about TA theory and getting the chance to meet other

    practitioners in the chat room.

    Click here to learn more about the UKATA.


    Parent Ego State

    Adrienne Lee

    John: Hello, everyone. Welcome to our event today. It’s a TA Tuesdays event, “The

    Parent Ego State,” with Adrienne Lee. Adrienne, a very warm welcome to

    Online Events.

    Adrienne: Thank you.

    John: It’s great to have you here with us tonight, especially on conference week.

    Thank you for taking time out of conference preparation.

    Adrienne: Indeed. I hadn’t realised it was in the same week. Here we go.

    John: Yes. I just managed to sneak that into your diary, didn’t I? Here you are on a

    Tuesday night.

    Adrienne: It’s a delight to be here. Hello, everybody. It’s great to know that there are

    people out there. “Hi, Adrienne,” somebody’s saying. My goodness, you

    really are real out there. That’s wonderful. I feel as if I’m talking to just my

    computer, so it’s nice to know that there are real people out there too.

    John: A very warm welcome to everyone who’s with us on the website. You can

    see the chat room, Adrienne. You’re looking forward to taking some

    comments and questions. We can all be in the chat together.

    Adrienne: You can remind me because I can’t look at you all at once. It’s too exciting.

    John: There’s too much going on here, isn’t there? We’ve got Saz in the chat room,

    too. Hi, Saz. Saz is there to give everyone a hand with their technology.


    Then we’ve got a little blue button on the website just down to the bottom

    right-hand corner that says “Chat with Online Events.” If you click on that

    button, you’ll get straight through to Saz. She can give you a hand to get in

    the chat room. Saz is waving in the chat room. Fantastic. We’ll wave back.

    To get started, Adrienne, could I ask you to give us a sense of where you’re

    located geographically? Whereabouts in the world are you?

    Adrienne: I didn’t realise that there would be people from all over the world who are

    looking at this, or certainly all over the country anyway. I live in Nottingham,

    which is in the middle of England, the UK. I live in the very centre of

    Nottingham just by Nottingham Castle. I’m sitting in my office which is in the

    centre of the house. We’re very central here.

    John: Yes, in the middle of the country and the city. Thank you for having us in

    your home office. That feels like a real privilege.

    Adrienne: You’re welcome.

    John: We usually ask people to say little bit about their journey and what’s

    brought them to the work that they’re excited about. We could spend days I

    guess talking about all the different, exciting experiences that you’ve had.

    Adrienne: I’ve been around in TA since about 1972. I think that was the first TA group I

    went to in adult education. I was working at the university while doing

    research at the time. I gave up my research to learn more about TA and

    carried on working at the university, but TA became my first love.

    I set up therapy groups and training groups long before there was ever an

    official training in England. I was excited about this very new theory that

    made absolute sense out of the most complex of experiences. That’s how I

    began a long time ago. I’ve been around when lots of different movements

    have gone on in TA. I’ve seen transactional analysis changing. It’s very

    interesting because I’ve chosen to talk about the parent ego state tonight. I

    feel like one of the parents in TA now.


    I never used to. I used to feel like one of the children. Then I suddenly

    realised there’s a critical time when you become almost in the parent, or

    even grandparent or great-grandparent role.

    That is a very interesting dynamic in your professional journey, as well as in

    your personal journey.

    John: It’s really lovely to have you here in that place of being a parent, or maybe

    even a grandparent, in the approach with lots of experience.

    “What course will we train on?” That’s often the big question as people

    come into the field of counselling and psychotherapy, but it wasn’t like that

    for you.

    Adrienne: I was teaching literature and creative arts initially. Remember, these were

    early days. These were the ‘60s and ‘70s. I was a child of the ‘60s, the human

    potential movement and all of that. I was running a weird group called

    Interplay, which was a drama group, express yourself, set up strange

    experiments with people and see what happens.

    John: Wow!

    Adrienne: It was very exciting. We used to do this every Wednesday afternoon in the

    college I was teaching in, but people came from outside the college. We had

    student, staff, and people from the local community. They came on the

    Wednesday afternoon for this experimental Interplay group. People were

    doing weird things, as people do.

    I thought, “What is going on here? I don’t know what’s going on here. I don’t

    understand what’s going on. How do I work with what’s going on if I don’t

    understand?” That’s when I thought, “What’s this group dynamics or

    transaction analysis? I’ll go and find out.”

    That’s what took me to this adult education class run by a beautiful, lovely

    old man led called John Alloway who was reading Eric Berne’s books and

    teaching his theory. I just happened to find him. As soon as I came across


    this TA, I thought, “Wow! That’s the best thing since sliced bread. That’s

    what I’m going to do.” That’s what I’ve done.

    I carried on as a university teacher for nearly 30 years, but I introduced TA

    into the curriculum. I was still teaching drama, literature and critical theory,

    but I would get invited into many different other disciplines like education,

    communications or psychology to actually teach some TA units, which I did.

    The university accepted my work in TA, which was brilliant, but even while

    teaching at the university, I was still seeing clients. I was working at a

    psychiatric hospital. I was doing training in TA. I was still directing plays and

    raising children. You can do it all.

    John: Wow! You’ve had a very busy life. As you talk about it, it sounds like you’ve

    loved every minute of it.