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NCD / OSZ All-Hands Meeting November 10, 2011

NCD / OSZ All-Hands Meeting November 10, 2011. Agenda 1)Welcome 2)Quick Quiz 3) Rules 4)Case Studies 5)Race Quality (Again) 6)Jury Meetings 2

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NCD / OSZ All-Hands Meeting

November 10, 2011

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Agenda

• 1) Welcome• 2) Quick Quiz• 3) Rules• 4) Case Studies• 5) Race Quality (Again)• 6) Jury Meetings

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Quick Quiz

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1) If a coach takes part in the race, can he also act as referee?

YES NO

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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2) Is the audible countdown signal mandatory only for DH, SG and GS at all levels.

YES NO

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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3) If the Appeals Commission is dealing with a timing protest, should they ask for the timing stripes from the Technical Delegate or from the Organiser?

ORGANISER TECHNICAL DELEGATEAlpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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4) Is the starter allowed to help the competitor by showing him where to plant his poles?

YES NO

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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5) The Jury has not made any special recommendations regarding Course Inspection. One team is inspecting without skis. Is this forbidden?

YES NOAlpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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6) A competitor lost his starting bib before starting the second run. Can the Jury let him start?

NO YES

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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7) If the width of the gates is 5 m, are you setting a SG?

NO YES

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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8) The total number of entered competitors on the board of the Men’s SL is 34. One of the foreign NSA has 5 competitors over his quota. Are they allowed to start?

YES NOAlpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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9) The TD has the right to move a SC competition to a substitute course if the race cannot be carried out on the homologated course.

YES NO

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10) Course setting One pole Slalom, vertical drop 180 m. The Chief of Course asked how many poles approximately do we need in order to set the first run?

60 70 90Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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DSQ RACER

DH race is finished. You have already sent the results to the FIS and results have been published on the web. Before dinner you receive a protest against the qualification of a racer apparently who was DSQ and nobody noticed. You consult the video.

• Is there something you can do?• What advice would you give the coaches?

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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5. DSQ RACERRules to be consider:647Right of Appeals

648647.1 The Appeal

647.1.1 Can be made:- against the official result. This appeal has to

be directed exclusively against an obvious and proved calculation mistake.

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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5. DSQ RACER647.1.2 Appeals must be submitted to the FIS Office.

647.1.3 Time Limits

647.1.3.1 Appeals against Jury decisions must be submitted to the Appeals Commission within 48 hours of their announcement.

647.1.3.2 The official results may be appealed to the Council via the FIS Office within 30 days for matters that are outside the competence of the jury.

Alpine Technical Delegates Update 2011

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Split Decision

• K1 dual gender slalom, big field• Warm day, soft snow – last race of year• Not a single pole slalom• 1st run snow deteriorates, especially for the

boys• TD proposes two ideas to Jury for second

run – two courses – single pole & UREA• Any ideas?

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Who can move a gate?

• TD?• Referee?• Chief of Course?• Course Setter?• Jury?• Chief of Race?

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2011-2012

ALPINE RULE CHANGES

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PRECISIONS20

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Canadian Snowsports Association Dave Pym Managing Director

ALPINE RULES

• The current Printed Alpine ICR is 2008• No FIS Printing until June 2012• Web Version contains all changes to

PortoRoz – June 2011• Very limited Precisions• Fall changes to be confirmed by Council

Nov 7th

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ICR Spring Meeting

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Southern Hemisphere Precisions

Included in Web based ICR July 2011

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Canadian Snowsports Association Dave Pym Managing Director

Current ICR

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Southern Hemisphere

ICR 203 – Changes in Licence Transfer Strict Council Review – Spring only Personal Association with new Country Residency Passport Written reasons for requested change

ICR 607.3 – New Age Grouping U14 – (K1) U16 – (K2) U18 – (Junior 1) U21 – (Junior 2)

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Southern Hemisphere614.1.2.2

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Southern Hemisphere

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Southern Hemisphere

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Southern Hemisphere

ICR 701.1.1/2 – DH in Two RunsFIS Races – Men & Women – 350 to 450 m

ICR 701.1.3 – 2 Run ENL races 300 – 400m

ICR 702.2 &702.3 – Changes to description of character of DH – Control of Speed, Natural surfaces etc

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Southern Hemisphere

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Southern Hemisphere

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Canadian Snowsports Association Dave Pym Managing Director

Northern Hemisphere

PRECISIONSAthlete input into Jury

205 Competitors have the right under the athletes declaration to inform the Jury of safety concerns they may have regarding training, warm-up or competition courses.

Actual process under development but at WC Athletes Commission will designate a person from top 15 on start list who will be spokesperson.

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Northern Hemisphere

ICR 221.6 Medical Services

Deletes reference to “Rules”

Recognizes variable geography, location, regulations

Chief of medical to advise TD of any issue preventing primary medical plan from implementation.

Note: Supposes there is a medical plan32

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Canadian Snowsports Association Dave Pym Managing Director

Northern Hemisphere

606.1 Bibs must conform to FIS Advertising Rules and Specs – all detail taken out of ICR

690 Gate Panels• Reference to “Flags” changed to Panels• Must meet FIS Specifications for Gate Panels• New Specification effective November 2012• WC will meet new Specification

701.3.2 DH panels 0.75 X 0.50 (Nov 2012)

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Canadian Snowsports Association Dave Pym Managing Director

Northern Hemisphere

Children’s Vertical – season 2012-2013

801.1.3 – U14 and U16 – Max 160m

801.2.4 – U14 and U16 – 32% to 38% +/- 3 Dir Changes

901.1.4 – U14 and U16 – Max 350m. U16 must be 2 Run

901.2.4 – Children 13% - 17% of vertical

1001.1.3 – Minimum – 250m – Max 450m

1001.3.4 – SG Direction Changes Min 8% - Max 12%

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SANCTIONS & APPEALS

Only 1 Alpine appeal in past 3 years.

WC 2010-2011 Are Sweden

Dispute between Athlete and Jury

Large Monetary Fine

Went to Alpine Appeals Board

Went to FIS Court

Consensus is Juries at all levels get it.

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Northern Hemisphere

FUTURE PROPOSALS1.NO STEPPING BACK IN GS/SG/DH

Safety Issue re definition for full stop Issue re Impact on lower levels

2.Establish deadline for entries• Effects on quotas• Fairness to roc• Emulate COC/WC with fixed deadlines• Prevent manipulation of entry. Double entry

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Northern Hemisphere

FUTURE PROPOSALS - Athletes4. Helmet – Create New Spec – Better G-Force

over 300g (Current is 200g – WC 250g)

5. Slower Race Suits – Tests this season with new fabrics. Standard Manufacturer

6. Cut Proof Underwear – Test this season

7. Dianese – Creation of safety vest – airbag technology – tests this season

8. Adjustments to Course Setting Rules – DH/SG/GS – Coaches WG

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CLASSIFICATIONS

2011- 2OI2

RULES OF FIS POINTS

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Classifications3.1 Evaluation 2nd week end of Nov to April 30

(Exception ENL)

4.2.1 Base Points published mid June

4.2.1.1 – Average of best 2 results in each event during past season will be used for Base List

4.2.1.2 to 4.2.1.7 – Details for calculation, one result only, injured status, protection and correction values

4.2.2 – Normal List – List 1 July 1 based upon BL

4.6.1 – Registration – Injury Protection

Maximum FIS Points Level – 999.99

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Canadian Snowsports Association Dave Pym Managing Director

TD Reporting

Article 8

Electronic Results go to: [email protected]

These are in xml format

TD Report Electronic on line

Email Results in pdf format go to [email protected]

Pdf files are only:• Official Results, includes 1st run start list• TD Report signed (unless submitted on

line)• TTR plus if needed Injury

Report/Sanctions40

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EQUIPEMENT

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EQUIPMENT

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EQUIPMENT6. For World Cup speed events (DH/Super G), the helmets

must fulfil the following specific additional requirement: the maximum deceleration measured during the impact established based on the test described in the norm EN1077 Class A must be equal or lower to 230g (NB: according to standard EN 1077 Class A: equal or lower to 250g). The helmet must bear a specific label / marking of minimum 1sqcm applied by the manufacturer on the outside shell and stating “DH/SG” confirming that such requirement is fullfilled.

Penalty – No Start

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EQUIPMENT

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EQUIPMENT

The work of the FIS Equipment Group will continue to examine other “Driving Factors”identified as injury causes:

1. Stand height – DH

2. Binding Release Mechanisms

3. Boot stiffness

4. Equipement Set-up

5. Course/Snow Conditions

6. Course Setting – Fore-Runners (GPS/Inertia Sensors)

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[email protected]

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Practical Case: Speed Series

By Chuck Hughes

FIS TD 839

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Practical Case: Problem 101

• Need your help to solve our problem!

This is the game we are going to play: • Choose a Jury (4 people)

• Describe the facts of our problem

• Jury members decide what to do

• Discuss

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The Jury

• The TD is a good looking, well fed, and highly trained by his peers and mentors; he is a North American FIS TD.

• The Chief of Race is a well experienced C of R with years of race experience and putting on the same speed series year after year.

• The Referee is a seasoned WC Speed Coach.• The Assistant Referee is a seasoned WC

Speed Coach.

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The Facts, Just the Facts.• Five day Speed Series, consisting of two DH Training

Runs, two DH Races and one SG race for Men and Ladies.

• Discuss moving schedule due to forecast of large snow storm.

• The field is made up of 15 Ladies and 60 Men. It is noted that most of the Ladies are young and inexperienced speed racers.

• Jury assembles at the 1st Team Captain’s meeting and propose a change in the schedule:

Day 1: Two DH Training Runs Day 2: Two DH Races Day 3: One SG Race

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DH Training DayThe DH Course: gently rolling speed course with one

Medium Jump with air at top of course, a smaller bump midway down the course with a rolling flat at the bottom part of course.

Speeds of 40-60 MPH.Jury inspection goes well and Jury gets into

position: Assistant Referee: between start and the 1st Jump. Referee: at the Jump TD and C of R: further down the course, out of view of the

Jump. Coaches and Athletes state the track is in excellent

shape.

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The Mighty Jump• 3 Forerunners: 2 male forerunners complete the run and report course in good

shape with no concerns.

• Most Ladies have trouble with first jump: flapping there arms, off balance, and not able to keep correct direction after landing.

• 1 Forerunner and 4 Racers have crashed: one racer injured, needing medical assistance.

• Ladies 15 racers takes 90 minutes to conclude training run.

• Men's Training Run was completed in less than two hours.

• Jury meets, and decides that Ladies go around jump for• 2nd Training Run

• Ladies inspect new line around the jump, Men will run first in the 2nd Training Run

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At the Start-Ladies 2nd Training Run

• Start Referee notifies Jury that a couple of Ladies will not take their 2nd Training Run.

• Then, with a bang coming over the Jury Radios, a coach at the start has grabbed the Start Referee’s Radio, she is not happy with the Jury decision and is going to have her athletes go over the jump.

• A few seconds later one of her athletes has grabbed the Start Referee’s Radio and is yelling at the Jury (that she is an athlete and wants to go over the jump).

• After the Start Referee gets his radio back, the TD explains to the coach what her options are, very clearly and calmly over the radio.

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OH NO!!!! QUESTIONS????

• What are the coach’s options?

• What are the athlete’s options?

• TD, what would you do, or say???

• As a Jury member what would you say???

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Input from the Athlete

• Can the athlete give his or her input to a Jury? If so, how is this done?

• Does the athlete have any rights???

Did the coach or athlete break any rules??

• Are there any FIS or CC rules that have been broken?

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RULES??????Do any of these

rules apply?

223.1.1223.1.2223.1.3224.1224.2224.3

205205.1205.3205.5627.1640.3641.6