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WP: Were they receptive to your curi-osity, of wanting to put your hand on their hair, and look at them and come up to them?

MT: Very much so, they thought it was really weird that somebody would want to do that.

WP: That’s cute. Okay, so you finished schooling there, and then on to college. What were you pursuing in college?

MT: I studied pharmaceutics at Wits University; it’s the University of the Wit-watersrand in Johannesburg, the main university in South Africa. I know Cape Town and Stellenbosch will claim other-wise, but it’s the big one.

WP: What drew you to that? What ex-cited your curiosity?

MT: I just had to study something. That was expected of me by my father. I had to get a degree and a career to make sure I could survive.

WP: Exactly. So you could pay bills and pay rent and have a roof over your head. But nonetheless, you ended up picking pharmaceutics.

MT: Completely by accident. Because I loved chemistry. I left, phoned my friend who was in Johannesburg, who was studying pharmacy, and asked him, “hey, what are the girls like?” and he said, “aw, great”. I said, “I’ll see you tomorrow.” That’s it; I joined the medical school and studied pharmaceutics.

WP: Wow. That was quite a change. Did that create any disruption with the family, or was that okay?

MT: That’s the one thing about my family. I’ve probably had the most sup-portive family anyone could ever pray and wish and hope for. Although my fa-ther doesn’t understand what I’m doing, he still supports me.

WP: What a beautiful gift. Isn’t it? Es-pecially when you say that he doesn’t quite understand what it is, but he’s happy to say, “keep doing it.”

WP: So we’re going to go back to a little bit of childhood, a little bit of his-tory of what it was like being a little Mi-chael Tellinger, so if you could share that just a tiny bit.

MT: I don’t really think I had a different kind of an upbringing from anybody else, because I didn’t know there was a differ-ence. I was born in the Czech Republic, to a very musical family. My mother was an opera singer, I used to travel with her around Europe on occasion; I was ex-posed to classical music and opera at a very early age. My father was a mining engineer, so I had an interesting mix. Very close family at that stage. WP: Siblings?

MT: One sister, she’s four years younger.

WP: Were you ever inspired as a young man to become a singer, or ex-plore it a bit?

MT: Oh, absolutely, and that’s really I think what makes my life slightly differ-ent, because I never ever thought while I was growing up that I would be anything else other than a musician.

WP: Sure. You were immersed in that arena. Not only were you learning sing-ing, but were you also learning some in-struments?

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years of my life. I played music profes-sionally between the ages of about 19 un-til about 28.

WP: Okay, so coming out of the Czech, you then made a move at some point to South Africa. I was curious how that im-pacted you in terms of coming into a country where perhaps you’d seen black people, but suddenly you were confront-ed with a whole army of them. What was that experience like?

MT: I’d never seen a black person in my life before, so it was really strange to see people that looked completely different from white people. And I remember try-ing to touch their hair, asking if I could feel their hair, you know, “can I feel your

We let things go until they become explosive, then there’s a revolt.

MT: Exactly.

WP: It’s where we’re headed at some level. But just in the sense of conscious-ness, as people become more aware, they’re more active.

MT: I do believe, however, that bankers are human beings as well.

WP: Yeah, of course.

MT: Politicians are human beings and suddenly they wake up and it hits them, and they go, “oh my god, I’ve been steal-ing from the world, I’ve been oppressing the people.” And that’s when the con-sciousness overcomes them. The chil-dren become the trigger points of con-sciousness in their parents.

WP: I see it like you do, in the sense that it’s going to happen faster, because the kids today, and I say kids whether they’re teen-agers or young adults in their twenties, they’re much more aware. They’re not afraid to say that what you do, what you think, or what you support isn’t so right. So we get to be the ones that are taught, as you say, by our children. We just have to be-come a little less stubborn. We have to let go of our egos at that level.

MT: It is the ego thing. The ego is the big common denominator that keeps propagating the enslavement.

WP: Absolutely. It’s sad, because it’s such a trap, and your ego is so enormous-ly creative.

MT: Absolutely, totally.

WP: And you think you’ve moved away from it but there it is. So it’s kind of fun-ny. But it’s great exercise to be clearer and clearer as we go through the process.

MT: Yeah. Especially in the field that I’m in now, going to an event like Contact in the Desert, coming face to face with people that have reached great fame and have become well-exposed, and seeing how it’s changed them. What I like about the philosophy of Ubuntu Contribution-ism is that there is no hierarchy. There can be nobody in charge because there’s no money to create and support the hier-archy. It’s impossible to create a hierarchy

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MT: I mean, just the other day, he said to me, “why don’t you just get yourself a job?” He’s got no idea what I do, it’s quite sweet.

WP: It is. Has he read the books, seen any of the films?

MT: No, he looks at my books and he just thinks it’s a bunch of rubbish. Because of the economics, because of the money and things I’ve been telling him for the last two years about the money system. In his mind, he can’t imagine that there could be a group of people so devious and so evil that they could have hijacked and manipulated the world for their benefit.

WP: It’s a mouthful, for anybody. It is. It’s a huge hurdle, even without all the education.

MT: Well, when I speak of aliens, he says, “you know what? If there were aliens, we would know about it.” And I say, “no, the government doesn’t want us to know about it.” That’s where his reasoning comes crash-ing down.

WP: It’s true. And to that issue, it really speaks to our inability or our lack of initia-tive in bringing about and asking for change. As citizens, we become pretty complacent.

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without money. “When you sell millions of books and people elevate you to a demi-god status, you need to break that down at all times. Break it down and keep a level playing field.”

WP: I like the philosophy. It’s like what Krishnamurti spoke of when he said, “don’t look to me as being a guru. I’m just here to share information. Don’t follow me; don’t even embrace what I’m telling you. You can look at it and do what you will with it.” He was just inviting people to come in contact with that voice inside of them.MT: It’s critical, and I find it quite frus-trating when I share this philosophy with people and they want to engage me in ar-guing about it. That’s not my job. I don’t want to convince you of this. It’s okay! Carry on with what you’re doing, because something will happen that will make you come back here and go, “hold on, I want to go back and revisit that.”

WP: I like what you say, that we’re not going to force anybody into taking anything, but I feel a little bit of our job is perhaps being just a tad persistent.

MT: Exactly? Or it might be a line in a

movie, many people don’t realize movies are fully encoded with this information. But it’s very subliminal.

Back to the history. I was playing music, I was playing golf and wind surfing, doing theater, I was on stage in front of 1500 people every night. I came to America with my partner Russell Sterling, and we recorded an album in Nashville. Then off to L.A. in ‘85 to sell the album and get signed, which we did very successfully. We had at least three labels look at us, we were just choosing which was the best deal, until they found out that we were two white boys from South Africa. Ee-rything stopped. They said, “sorry, can’t do the deal, goodbye.” End of deal. Be-cause of apartheid.

WP: It reminds me of a recent movie, I don’t know if you saw it? Searching for Sugar Man?

MT: I was very closely affiliated to that moment because I was friends with Ste-phen Segerman, the guy that found Ro-driguez. I had arrived at his house the morning after he spoke to him on the phone in Cape Town.

WP: Oh, wow.

MT: I walked to his house and he said, “I spoke to him last night!” I said, “who is it?” He said “Rodriguez” I was there when it happened, so when I saw the doc-umentary it was like I was in tears man.

WP: It’s a great story, on so many lev-els. This humility in him, he was such a humble man. So coming back, there you were doing water ski instructing and all kinds of stuff. What was the pivotal mo-ment for you, what hooked you, about other worlds, about E.T.s, about different civilizations?

MT: It wasn’t anything specific at that stage. I didn’t have to be hooked because even as a five year old, I was always look-ing at the skies, thinking to myself, “when are other people going to come and say hello to us?” When I got to school, that was beaten out of me. “That doesn’t ex-ist. Stop that, you’re imagining things. We’re the only ones.” Later, when I was in my first year at the University, 18 years old, I read Daniken’s ‘Chariots of the Gods’, in 1978, and that was the reintro-duction. But throughout my childhood, I wrote a lot of music, I wrote a lot of songs from about twelve years old.

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WP: Well you’re very talented. You’re very gifted.

MT: I just never ever wanted to tow the normal line. When I go back and revisit the lyrics of these songs, I’m astounded at how conscious the lyrics are.

WP: Was there a sensation of that, as the information was coming to you, as you were there writing, “I’m not quite sure why I’m writing this, but here it is”?

MT: I didn’t really know. I did not know until I read when I was 18. By then I’d written probably 200 songs, and I’d say at least 50% of them were deeply spiritual and conscious songs. Until I read Erich von Daniken, and I just sud-denly went, “Ah, I got it!” It was a homecoming; I said “wow, that’s amazing.” I was doing the same kind of work musically.

WP: You were dialed in.

MT: Yes, the lyrics were dialed in. But then the music didn’t take off. And I’m glad it didn’t. I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing now.

WP: No, no question about it. So when was your first little excursion? Was it in Africa ?

MT: No, it was when I’d just turned thirty. Twelve years after I’d read von Daniken. A friend of mine, Michelle, dropped off a present for my birthday, William Bramley’s Gods of Eden, which is a classic in this field. I just devoured that book. That was it. The next few weeks I went and I got into Zechariah Sitchin. So it started in 1990.

WP: Well you’ve certainly provided a lot of information. So you’ve devoured all of Sitchin’s work, which has been prolific.

MT: And then I got into Hancock, more scientific stuff. I like the scientific stuff.

WP: Just a side note, there’s a great book out now, and you may have read it, Rupert Sheldrake, ‘Science Set Free.’

MT: I haven’t read it. I need to read it. And on that note, I must also tell you about another wonderful book on that line called ‘Punk Science’ by a British medical doctor of Indian origin, called Manjir Samanta-Laughton. A spectacular book. I just couldn’t put it down.

WP: That’s great, I’ll have to get it. Can you tell me a little bit about some of the surprising discoveries you’ve come upon?

MT: Well the first one was the fact that there is a vast, vanished civilization off the southern tip of Africa that no one has ever figured out or recognized, of more than ten million structures. And Egypt is inextrica-bly linked to what’s happening in South Africa and in Zimbabwe. It’s on the same longitudinal line. We now know instinc-tively and immediately that there is a vast vanished civilization. We need to rethink the entire story of our human origin.

WP: Absolutely. So is there a name to that area?

MT: Well, the Sumerian tablets call it the Abzu, and that’s apparently where the gold came from. First of all, the mystery is that they’re connected by these chan-nels that are not roads. It’s like every-thing’s suspended in a giant spider’s web that are actually giant agricultural terrac-es. And this is just insane. We have a huge population potentially, who were grow-ing a lot of crops or growing a lot of something, and using these devices that are not dwellings, and then realizing that

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WP: Yes. You have the advantage of looking at it really from a very metaphysi-cal standpoint, which allows you to see it vastly different.

MT: Yes. And then I started getting in-volved in the more spiritual aspect, going to a few channelings myself and getting exactly the information that I was finding on the ground. What’s exciting for me and I guess many other people is that I’m pro-viding the physical evidence for much of Zecharia Sitchin’s work.

WP: Right. And then here you are.

MT: Adam’s Calendar description is vir-tually as if he’s described it perfectly, perched on the edge of a cliff, in line with Great Zimbabwe and the Pyramids at Giza. Measuring the sound frequencies and electromagnetic waves, it’s clear now, from a scientific perspective, that they are energy generating devices. They give energy every second of every day.

WP: These are areas of civilizations that go back to what time, what year?

MT: About 300,000 years. This is why the average academic, when they hear this, they shut down. They think that you’ve lost your mind.

WP: Yes, that’s exactly right. It’s way

outside their beliefs, so they don’t want to have a conversation about it. It’s so be-yond our periphery, we don’t look into it. It’s sad.

MT: Just like many people. So I hope that this message is not ahead of its time. I trust it’s not, because we finally have a large group of scientists that understand the science and the metaphysics at the same time and know that it’s the same thing. Otherwise, the next part is out of context.

WP: Yeah, a larger group. In some re-spects it is still limited but there is a lot of momentum.

MT: So, we can really get into the sci-ence of this, and I believe if we go and investigate these stone circles, we can give the entire world free energy tomorrow. But the authorities will want to disprove any findings.

WP: Yes, they don’t want that at all. But on the other side, you potentially have people who would be interested in explor-ing, supporting, and being co-partners to discover it, because of the money issue.

MT: Trying to make some money out of it is really not the intention. The intention is the opposite.

WP: Exactly. That would be fantastic. So what are the new things you’re looking at?

MT: The brand new things are the sacred stones, and the vortex fields that they cre-ate.

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search institute in Hawaii. They got very excited. These are donut-shaped stones that are exactly the same shape as the to-roid vortex models that we see in movies like Thrive. I started looking at the donut shapes. I went, “hold on, these are far more important than I ever imagined.” And I’d already had measurements of the energy fields around them done, not with elec-tronic devices, but with dowsing. We used very accurate dowsing devices. So much so, it stripped the skin off one of my friend’s hands. That’s how strong these fields are around this donut-shaped stone.

WP: Oh goodness.

MT: It activated some sort of a spark, you know, they’re obviously bombarded with all kinds of frequencies. How the stone works, I believe, is that you put a sound frequency into it. It creates the elec-tromagnetic and vortex field around it. That’s how these things work. We were bringing one into the US, and Homeland Security stopped the plane. They made me get off the plane and open my bag on the tarmac. So when this happened, I went, “the stone works!”

WP: Very funny. Then they let you go? And they didn’t take it?

MT: No, I was really relieved. Now it’s up to Nassim to do some studies.

WP: He’s been quite a visionary.

MT: He has been, but we need to see what he comes up with on a practical level. That’s the thing. There are, however, other people who have been developing these cone-shaped, donut-shaped vortex coils.

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One of them is Daniel Nunez, a young guy in New York. He directs sound right into the center. He’s been able to direct the energy to a point where lights burn, but they flicker on and off. So we’re close, we just need funding.

WP: Yeah. So are you collaborating with other people in terms of seeking funding?

MT: No. We’re all on our own, and this is the problem. But more and more peo-ple with money are also becoming con-scious. So it’s just a matter of time before they find either me or Daniel and say, “hey, what do you need?”

WP: Yeah. I feel like, if this were a graph, we’re really moving up the slope, and it’s going to really start to bloom very, very fast.

MT: For me, the most exciting thing is that there can be no doubt any more that my research has been worth it. We’ve found the missing, vanished civilization. This is one of the big ones. And it’s linked to gold, so it makes a direct connection to

the Anunaki, these mysterious E.T.s that came here looking for gold. I have some of the tools and artifacts, not all of them. I think we’ll find more when we start dig-ging. Now it’s just a matter of finding some funding.

WP: Is there a connection between the Anunaki and Atlanteans?

MT: Absolutely. The technology used in Atlantis was Anunaki technology. They’re masters of technology. The Anunaki are probably one of highest masters of technology in the universe. And we’re talking billions of years. The Anunaki presence on earth just goes back 500,000 years, and this is how often people get confused and start writing the emails and say, “you don’t know what you’re talking about, the Anunaki are much older.” I say, “I know they’re a lot older, but I’m talk-ing about their presence on earth. So let’s first define what we’re talking about.” They’re masters and they’ve been doing this on many, many plan-ets. However, they’ve also risen in con-sciousness.

WP: Yeah, that would make sense.

MT: A lot of this information is downloaded to me. I walk in there and I look at it, and either immedi-ately or a day or a week later, I figure out what’s going on. It’s interesting, you know?

WP: Well it’s quite a gift. You are quite a talented, gifted man.

MT: I must have chosen to do this, be-cause otherwise I’d be baking bread, working in a mine, or singing. Feeding my ego, playing songs to large crowds. Al-though now, I would sing songs I’ve writ-ten now, and be performing with a differ-ent headspace.

WP: So a conscious you is present, and performing (laughing) rather than the ego part of you saying, “okay, give me more applause.” I hear you.

MT: I mean, the last time I per-formed was in 2002 actually, to about 9,000 people at a reunion of all the

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South African bands from the eighties. We went on stage and the people start-ed singing along with our songs… and… Wow! I couldn’t believe it!

WP Now you still live in South Afri-ca, but you spend a fair amount of your time travelling abroad. What portion of your year is abroad?

MT: Well this is the biggest, every year it seems to get longer. So it’s four months away from home.

WP: Wow. Yeah, a long time.

MT: We want to find a place in the USA, somewhere in L.A. or the west coast because I like the climate here. It’s very similar to our climate.

WP: Good surf too.

MT: Yeah, exactly. Live here for three months and live in Europe for three months because of my Czech heritage; I’ve got a EU passport. And then we can do presentations and tours throughout Europe.

WP: Have you done anything in South America?

MT: No, but we have to do that. We have some invitations but we just haven’t done it.

WP: What’s on the horizon, the im-mediate horizon, in terms of projects for you? Are there any new areas you’re scoping out?

MT: My new book, Ubuntu Contri-butionism: A World Without Money. If you Google Ubuntu Contributionism, you’ll get a lot of information about it already, and our website is up. We’ve got members all over the world. Plus we’ve also started the Ubuntu party in South Africa; it’s a registered political party. And I’m running for president next year.

WP:Congratulations! How exciting is that.

MT: It’s funny, but it’s true.

WP: No, it’s wonderful!

MT: And if you elect us, we’ll dissolve the government. The people governed by the people, for the people.

WP:: Very exciting!

MT: And as quickly as possible, get rid of the money. There’s a very simple process.

WP: I’m not too familiar with the concept, but from what you just shared, it makes perfect sense.

MT: If your little community is doing something another community in the mountain can’t do, for reasons that are obvious, even geographic or for re-source reasons, this is how the spill-over of the Ubuntu community works. It’s not a closed system. Any scientists will know what I’m talking about. Whenever you have a closed system, it will fail. You need to open it up, be-cause everything is connected. One of the biggest mistakes communities make is when they become self-sus-tained. That becomes their suffoca-tion. You’ve got to sustain yourself and all your neighboring communities. You let the energy flow from your own community into all the neighboring communities. And they do the same. So you become the seed of the toroid vortex field, your community. It spews the energy out and it sucks the energy in, and other ones do the same next to you, so it becomes this completely en-meshed, entangled, toroid vortex field of energy, of people doing things, and sharing, and reaching incredible abun-dance.

WP: Fantastic. Here’s my last question for you, Is Michael Tallinger a Whole Person?

MT: No way. I’m so far from being whole, it’s ridiculous. Sheesh. I wonder if anyone thinks that they’re a whole per-son. I guess maybe some people do.

WP: They do.

MT: In fact, how would I even know what a whole person is? How do you define a whole person? Is it ‘whole’ be-cause I’ve been sitting on a mountain meditating for twenty years and I think I’ve reached an understanding of en-

lightenment? That is a whole bunch of BS in itself, because most so-called teachers of enlightenment don’t even know what the word ‘enlightenment’ means! They teach it and preach it but they don’t understand what it means, they keep giving you descriptions, but they don’t actually give you an answer.

WP: True.

MT: They keep describing the same thing with different words. I’ve started doing that now because I’ve reached a sense of understanding of what en-lightenment is in the last six months. I’m still struggling with it because I don’t want to be too arrogant and start preaching to the people, but I tell them, this is what I believe it is. And it seems to be working. It’s reaching a level of comprehension of our enslavement status that allows you to take the necessary steps to reach higher con-sciousness. That is a moment of enlightenment. Until then, you remain a slave, ignorant and full of ego. So for me, enlightenment is coming to terms with the fact that we’re a slave species. And we can choose to do something about it. And suddenly the messages of Christ, and Buddha, and Krishna, and so forth, all their messages suddenly all start sounding the same, and they resonate with that ‘being’ purpose.

WP: No question. So I want to compliment you in a huge way, in the sense that you have this humility about you, and you recognize no mat-ter how aware, no matter how con-scious you are, that there’s this infi-nite space for you to move into.

MT: And once I’ve moved into the furthest corner of infinity, there’s no need for me to be here.

WP: So thank you very much, I’m really honored to have you here. I re-ally appreciate you and your work.

MT: Well thank you. I feel honored to be here. You’ve made your beauti-ful space available to us.

For more information on Mr. Tellinger, please check out his website at Michaeltellinger.com

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