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Fine Art of Selling (“It’s When You SELL that Counts !”) AAII Washington D.C. Metro Chapter April 17, 2010 Don Cassidy President, Retirement Investing Institute www. AAIIdenverChapter. Org >> Don @ R-i-i. org <<

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Improve Your Skill in the Fine Art of Selling

(“It’s When You SELL that Counts !”)

AAII Washington D.C. Metro ChapterApril 17, 2010Don Cassidy

President, Retirement Investing Institute

www. AAIIdenverChapter. Org>> Don @ R-i-i. org <<

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DISCLAIMER Neither the speaker nor the Retirement

Investing Institute provides individualized investment advice. Neither is licensed as a Registered Investment Advisor. No investment products are offered for sale. Any individual securities (including stocks, mutual funds, or ETFs) mentioned are strictly examples and do not imply investment or trading recommendations. Investors should do their own homework before taking any actions.

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It’s the money you could be saving with better selling !

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PROBLEM, and STAKES• Thomas Friedman in The World is Flat:• p21. “Change is hard. Change is hardest on

those caught by surprise. Change is hardest on those who also have difficulty changing. But change is natural; change is not new.”

• p378. “The weak will fall further behind faster. The traditional will feel the force of change more profoundly. The new will get turned into old quicker.”

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CRITICALITY OF SELLING WELL

“If you avoid the big down cycle, you don’t have to hit it out of the park on the way up.”

-money manager Pat Adams, PVG Asset Management

(which means taking less risk to hit home runs to catch up!)

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INVESTING IS LIKE COACHING

• Don’t Go Into the Game Unprepared!

• Watch Game Films for Opponent’s Tendencies

• Focus on Correcting Our Own Weaknesses

• OUR NEED IS MOST ACUTE re SELLING

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WAYS TO BE ONLY HALF PREPARED

1. Think 100% Fundamentals and Ignore Technical Analysis & Psychology

1. Focus Attention on What to BUY, withNo Special Attention on Selling Skills

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“Hey, great! I can’t wait to see how my Enron, AIG, & GM stocks are doing.”

PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME LETTING GO

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Selling’s Pain Meter

HIGHSell @ Loss Finality Ends Hope

Proves Us a “Failure” Quantifies Official Loss Verdict

Hold @ Loss Retains Hope; Postpones Pain

Sell @ Gain “Realization Utility” – Prof. Barberis @ Yale Proves Brilliance – BUT Pay Taxes!

Hold @ Gain Endowment Effect; Strokes Ego; Keeps an Known Friend Close at Hand

Postpones Taxes; “I’m a Good L-T Investor”

LOW

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WHAT DO I BELIEVE ?

By permission: Vitaliy Katsenelson (author of Active Value Investing © 2008 )

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MAJOR FOCUSES FOR SELLING

• NOT primarily fundamentals– But don’t ignore them!

• Heavy emphasis on psychology– The crowd’s, but our own as well !

• Watch for extreme moves in price– these ARE unsustainable

• Be careful of “religion stocks” !• Volume extremes = useful immediate signal • Selling IS a reversible decision !!

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“THE NEW NORMAL”

• Implies the old normal is outdated

• Implies a thorough portfolio re-exam

• Strongly implies the need to be able to sell dispassionately !

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ROAD MAP• Understanding Ourselves and Surroundings

• Viewing the Market in Crowd Terms• Becoming Contrarians

• Naming & Battling the Barriers to Action

• Listing Some Good-Selling Rules

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WHY DO WE BUY STOCKS?• Think Like a Shop-Keeper

• We Buy to SELL !!

• Don’t Think Like a Collector !

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WHICH IS MOST VARIABLE ?

Price Value TaxesComm’s & Expenses

>> The MEDIA Mis-focus the Public !

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Looking in All the Wrong Places !

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ERROR OF FOCUSING ON TAXES AND EXPENSES…

• Implicit Assumption = Randomness and Helplessness

• Therefore ALL of AAII’s Tools are Useless ( NOT !!)

• If YOU Believe THAT, no need for effort.• Give up and go index!

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LAWS OF MARKET

GRAVITY What Goes Up Probably Comes Down !

“In the long run, stocks will fluctuate.”

What Went Up MOST and MOST RECENTLY will come down the hardest !

What’s Gone Up May Not DESERVE to Stay Up.

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HOPE IS NOT A USEFUL INVESTMENT (or trading)

STRATEGY !!

• Hope is designed to shield the ego

• It often damages wealth in the process

• At best, hope prevents considering potentially better opportunities

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Behavioral Finance

Integrates…

• Rational Theory: • Economics BF• Finance• Accounting• Security Analysis

• Human Realities:

• Anthropology• Psychology• Sociology

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USE BEHAVIORAL FINANCE !• LOTS More than Fear and Greed• Ego – a subtly strong force• Hope Springs Eternal• Reinforcement• Anchoring (3 stock prices)• Endowment Effect (mugs vs. chocolate)• The Tyranny of Choice• Group “Evidence”• Cave Dwellers: Risk Avoidance is #1

• Blue-Chip Memories? AT&T GM WaMu Kodak Westinghouse Sears Merrill Lynch AIG GE

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IMPORTANT IMPLICATION…

Successful investing ALWAYS requires doing what feels UNCOMFORTABLE at the time.

BECAUSE…Certainty comes late and so is usually 100% wrong!

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MARKET CLOCK ?• 3 Phases:

– Denial / Disbelief– Migration– Panic

Todd Harrison, www. Minyanville. com

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From Ray Johns

“Nosce te ipsum” - Know thyself!

“Becoming successful … has more to do with learning about yourself and less to do with learning about the market.”

(DC: It’s about psychology, not fundamentals alone!)

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“95% of this game is 50%

mental.”

-Yogi

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UNLOAD THE BAGGAGE !Many decisions HAVE major costs for making errors… wrong college, wrong mate, wrong house,

wrong car, wrong job

Investing (and trading) has LOW $$ costs for escaping (but high emotional baggage)

Our EGOs get involved because keeping score is a daily ritual with investments.

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HOPING FOR SOME HELP WITH SELLING ??

( better plan to D-I-Y ! )

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NEVER Wait for Brokers !• Their ‘Buy Bias’• Training is in Product Pushing• Most CANNOT Use the S Word• If / When They Ever do, it is WAY Late!• Know the Code Words

And ESPECIALLY IGNORE BUY ADVICE ON FINANCIAL-TALK RADIO & TV !

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NOTE AND USE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INPUTS

• Conversations/parties (celebration)• Counting the chips• Market headlines on non-business pages• ICI mutual-funds’ flows data (ICI.org)• Cartoons and TV humor and ads (!)• Having too much fun??• The VIX Index• Personal Diffusion Index

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EQUITY MUTUAL FUNDS’NET FLOWS, 1994-2008

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New Yorker Cartoon Count

Bullish Percent and Total Number

1995: 100% (1)1996: 63% (8)

1997: 50% (14) 1998: 46% (13) 1999: 70% (33)

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New Yorker Cartoon Count, cont’d.

Bullish Percent and Total Number

1997: 50% (14) 1998: 46% (13) 1999: 70% (33)

2002: 0% (25)2003: 0% (7)

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Crowd Screaming Loudly? Give It What It’s Demanding

• Cash? Give it some of yours !• Stocks? Give it some of yours !

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“TIMING THE MARKET” ??

• TIMING = attempting to ANTICIPATE market or individual-stock up or down moves

• PRICING or HARVESTING = taking advantage of unusual recent moves that appear potentially unsustainable.

• (Farmers do!)

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RULE OF 3-4-5-6

Markets are overextended, based on historical odds, after rising consecutively for

3 years4 months

5 weeks 6 days

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“In Just Another …”(quarter? 3 points?)

HOPE IS NOT A USEFUL STRATEGY !

AN IMPORTANT SELF-TEST:Are you TRULY able to

Sell as readily as you Buy ?( Keep working at it ! )

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NOTHING IS FOREVER• Don’t Agonize/Obsess re Buys

– This is NOT a marriage or career choice !

• Act on Themes• Keep Themes Constantly Under Review• Get Your Ego Out of the Way!• Set Stops (but NOT at IBD’s 8%)• Set Sell Targets• When Bad Things Happen,

Recovery May Never Occur (!)(GM, WaMu, Enron, Beth Steel, ETC ETC!)

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BIG-PICTURE SELLING RULES

• Sell when you’re having lots of fun• Sell when tempted to count the chips

• Sell when market is on an extended run (up)

• Use Rule of 110 to make yourself sell high

• Sell when S&P 500 ~ 20% above its 200-day M A

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BIG-PICTURE SELLING RULES

• Sell when VIX index @ its lowest in several months

• Sell when stock funds’ net inflows have been strong

• Sell 60-90 minutes after gap-up openings• Sell when market doesn’t rally

on good news• Sell when news surprises are most likely

not favorable (‘Goldilocks market’)

• Sell when # stocks passing Schloss screen is under 6.

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WINNINGA GAME

• Often Means NOT Making Killer Mistakes

• Remember the 3 Market Phases– Denial /Disbelief– Migration– Panic

• Don’t Join the Crowd !

• OBEY the Rule of 110

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SINGLE-STOCK ( & ETF ) RULES

• Sell when you fall in love with a stock

• Sell when you feel really smart

• Sell when stock is on a multiple-day run

• Sell on volume crescendos• Sell on volume spikes

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SINGLE-STOCK ( & ETF) RULES

• Sell 60-90 minutes after gap-up openings• Sell on good earnings news (!) • Sell when stock is far above its 20-day

moving average• Sell when stock doesn’t rally on good news• Sell when EITHER the fundamentals OR

technical analysis speaks caution

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THE ACID-TEST QUESTIONWOULD

YOU BUY

ITTODAYTODAY ?

No?: Playing Greater Fool

! Holding IS Buying !

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SUGGESTED READING

• Blue Ocean Strategies Kim & Mauborgne• The World is Flat T. Friedman• Inside the Investor’s Brain R. Peterson• More than You Know M. Mauboussin• The Paradox of Choice B. Schwartz• The WSJ Guide to the End of Wall Street as We Know It D. Kansas• Active Value Investing V. Katsenelson• When to Sell J & R Mamis

• It’s When You Sell that Counts! D. Cassidy www.GlobalPublishing.comTrading on Volume D. Cassidy

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MORE GOOD READING…

www. R-i-i. orgClick on ‘Good Books’

Classics Market History Technical Analysis Market Psychology Selling & Contrary Opinion Bond & Income Investing Other Topics