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This website provides a series of nine reports on

the lineal descendants of William Horn of Nansemond

to the author, along with a tenth report considering

possible earlier ancestors in the Jamestown and

Norfolk area. (See the sidebar.)

The author, Robert Gordon Horn, born in 1931,

and most or all the Horn males buried in the Powell

Cemetery at Lafayette, KY, are proven descendants of

Henry Horn, a Quaker, born in 1716 in northeastern

North Carolina or nearby Virginia. This Henry Horn is thought to be a son

of William Horn of Nansemond County, Virginia who died in about 1754 in

Edgecomb County, North Carolina.

From results of yDNA genetic marker studies comparing the yDNA patterns

found in cell specimens obtained from me and from a distant cousin,

Etheldred Phillips Horn, now deceased, each of us being well documented

to have descended from separate sons of Henry Horn, the Quaker, our

male parentage back to Henry the Quaker is established.

During the past twenty years, I have collected, assembled, and analyzed a

large volume of data previously assembled by numerous individuals

interested in this family group.

A substantial proportion of that data has been entered into a large

database, using the genealogical software called FamilyTreeMaker,

the 2005 version, at this

site: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/o/r/Robert-G-

Horn/index.html

I have published much of that data in book form, in two books, William

Horn of Nansemond, and Henry Horn of Contentnea Creek. Both of those

books are available for about $25 each at www.lulu.com.

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Another group of Horns appear to be descended from a certain Richard

Horne who appeared in Northampton County, NC in the early 1700's, living

just a few miles east of William Horn "of Nansemond". The proximity of

these families seemed to suggest that Richard Horne and William Horn

were related, perhaps closely, but specific indication of such a relationship

has not been forthcoming.

On a separate website, www.drbobhorn.com/genealogy, I have provided

extensive information about the family and descendants of Richard Horne

of Northampton, and in the process I have attempted to clarify areas of

major uncertainty regarding the identity of a number of Horn individuals

whose ancestry, whether from Richard or William or others, is uncertain.

In the same website, I have included some information on other earlier

Horns in Virginia in the 1600's who may have been ancestors of William

and/or Richard Horn(e).

The present website contains relatively short individual biographies of each

of my direct lineal Horn ancestors, from William Horn of Nansemond to my

grandfather, Robert Lee Horn, 1861-1949, and my father, Wiley Weathers

Horn, Sr., 1909 - 1988. In these biographical sketches, it may be of

interest to note that, in many ways, more can be learned about the

"Englishmen" in the colonial North Carolina period than we can

conveniently know about those who crossed the mountains and came west,

starting about 1800, into the relatively uncivilized frontier, after our

independence was obtained.

I can only speculate that it may have been necessary, from time to time, to

burn pages from the Family Bible to get a fire started.

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The following notes are from my earlier essay, Antecedents and Peers,considering the possibilities that

1) the Horn families considered in this work were descended fromone or the other of the two Horn citizens, documented to be residents ofJamestown, Virginia in 1623, and/or

2) that a Thomas Horn, and his son, Thomas,citizens living nearNorfolk, in southeastern Virginia, in the latter 3/4 of the 1600's, were theimmediate ancestors of William Horn of Nansemond.

Henry or Richard Horn of Jamestown, Virginiaand

Thomas Horn and son of Norfolk Countybefore 1700

Generation No. 1

1. HENRY OR RICHARD1 HORN was born Abt. 1600 in ? England, and died

Aft. 1623 in ? Virginia.

Notes for HENRY OR RICHARD HORN:

To the best of my knowledge, there is no reliable information, but onlyspeculation, as to who might be the parents of either William Horn (1690-1754) of Nansemond County, Virginia or his contemporaries, RichardHorne of Northampton County, NC and Henry Horn who died in 1761 inEdgecomb County North Carolina.

On the other hand, fragmentary information about a number of otherHorn's, present in the colonies prior to the time of William, Richard, andHenry Horn(e) is available, the earliest of which I am aware having beendocumented in the listing of the citizens living in Jamestown and

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surrounding areas in 1623. In the "Lists of the Livinge & the Dead inVirginia, February 16, 1623" both a Henry Horn and a Richard Horun (sic)are listed as living on the Surry side of the James River. No furtherdocumentation of these two men is available. (This information, nowwidely available, was first provided to me by Gwen B. Horne anddiscussed in interesting detail in her contribution to the Ray Horn book.)

It is, of course, tempting to speculate that these two Horn's, Richard andHenry, known to be and documented in the Jamestown VA area in 1623,are our progenitors, but I believe at this remote stage, there is littlelikelihood of determining how these or other Horn's unknown are relatedto the several other very early Horn's of which we have somedocumentation. Nevertheless, it is worth noting that other Horn familiesare documented in Virginia in the 1600’s, affording at least a potentialgenealogical link between Richard and Henry Horn of Jamestown,Virginia and the three Horn families who entered North Carolina in theearly 1700’s.

About 25 years after the Jamestown census of 1623, a Thomas Horneappeared in Norfolk County, VA, before 1650, where he married JohannaYates and purchased land from her brother, Richard Yates in 1649. ThisThomas Horne is apparently of the age to potentially be a son of eitherRichard or Henry of 1623 Jamestown, but there is no evidence known tome to support this hypothetical relationship.

Child of HENRY OR RICHARD HORN might be:

2. i. THOMAS2 HORN, b. Bef. 1628, Virgina; d.

about 1658, Virginia.

Generation No. 2

2. THOMAS2 HORN, Sr. (HENRY OR RICHARD

1)1 was born Bef. 1628 in

Virgina2, and died about 1658 in Virginia3. He married (1) MARY YATES4,

daughter of JOHN YATES and JOANE UNKNOWN. She was born Bef. 1636

in ? England4, and died Mar 1652/53 in Virginia4. He married (2) JANE

RIGGLESWORTH4.

Children of Thomas Horne and Johanna Yates are:

1  Johanna (Hanna) Horne, born Bef. 1645. She married John

II Herbert.

2 . Mary, born about 1647, married Fanshaw.

3  Thomas Horne, born Bef. 1652; died Aft. 1664.

4  Elizabeth Horne, born Bef. 1652.

Notes for THOMAS HORN,Sr.:[ThosHorneOfNorfolkv2.ftw]

Initial Information on this man, his two wives, and his known children waslargely obtained from Elizabeth L. Gabriel of Crested Butte, CO who sentthis information to Etheldred P. Horn, in 1995. "Thel" also sent meinformation from the book, Cavaliers and Pioneers, by Nell M. Nugent,p540, where the following entry is recorded: "THOMAS HORNE, 300acs. nere the head of the W. br of Eliz.Riv., adj land of JaneRigglesworth; 27 Sept. 1665, p 453, (548). Granted unto Robt. Capps &Robt. Spring 30 May 1653, & by them sould to sd. Horne." In addition hesent me an accompanying detailed plat of the ownership of manyproperties in this area of Norfolk County, VA. Gabriel is a 9th G-granddtrof Thomas Horne and Johanna Yates, via their daughter, Hanna.

According to Gabriel's correspondence, the following references arecited:

Alice Granberry Walter (comp.). Herbert in England and Virginia 1399 -1900. 1977. Virginia Beach, VA.Horn bought land from Richard Yates, his brother-in-law, in 1649, Ipresume in Norfolk County.

Charles Fleming McIntosh, Brief Abstract of Lower Norfolk County, andNorfolk County Wills 1637 - 1710. 1914, Rpt. Westminster, MD: FamilyLine Publications, n. d. p 23. Joane Yates 1664 will names asgrandchildren the four listed children of Thomas Horne and JohannaYates.

Gabriel recommends further examining Lower Norfolk County CourtRecords.

This Thomas Horne was a cooper.

If Elizabeth Gabriel is correct as to the time of death of the older ThomasHorne, it appears likely that the son, Thomas Horne, is the 1665purchaser of the 300 acres on Western branch of Elizabeth River. Notethe important association that the older Thomas Horne second marriedJane Rigglesworth, who was probably the widowed owner of 200 acresjust to the west of Thomas Horne's 300 acres (See the Plat).

If the son, Thomas Horne, were born in, say 1645-1650, he would be ofage to possibly be the father of William Horn of Nansemond, Richard,Henry, and Moses. The time and location appears to admit of thepossibility.

20 September, 2004: Additional information on Thomas Hornes ofNorfolk.

I have recently received from Larry Horn of Arkansas some additionalinformation on this Thomas Horne, obtained by Larry from Robert W.Baird of Raleigh, NC. (http://home.nc.rr.com/rwbaird], a genealogist withparticular interest in southeastern colonial Virginia.

The information from Baird appears to consist of "hard" well-documentedcitations of deeds, wills, etc, of Horn(e) and some Yates families from s.e. VA, with short commentary notes by Baird. I have typed the materialfrom Yates into a file (FTW/Docs/LarryHorn/HORNESOFVA4X6.DOC]which prints out on about 50 4x6 index cards. Citations below may referto the particular index card from this Baird data.

There is considerable redundancy in the Baird material and materialpreviously received from Thel Horn, cited above.

With this new material in hand, I have attempted to analyze the combineddata I have on this Thomas Horne "of Norfolk", employing thecorrespondence from Elizabeth Gabriel, the Baird material, and additionalmaterial from Thel Horn, including particularly Notes furnished to Thel in1988 by Dr. R. B. True, apparently a substantial series of citations from"Biographical Dictionary of Early Virginia, 1607 - 1660".

The following is a preliminary summary of suggestions and conclusionsmade from a review of all this material now in hand. I hope to visit theSuffolk, Nansemond, Norfolk area and environs soon, in hopes ofextending the analysis of this material.

Extended Observation of September, 2004:

Mary Yates, dtr of John and Joane Yates, destined to become the firstwife of Thomas Horne, is named in VA Patent Books, 1636. [Baird #2,#3]. Joane Yates names her four g'children of Thomas Horne and MaryYates in her 1664 will [Baird #27-30]. 1649 warrant names wife ofThomas Horne as "Mary" [Baird #14].

Mary Yates, born before 1636, had a child in 1647(Baird #24 and #35),her daughter Mary Horne Fanshaw. This information suggests a likelybirth year of about 1630 and a marriage year of about 1645 for MaryYates, first wife of Thomas Horne Sr.

Thomas Horne "Sr" purchased property before 1644 [Baird #10], witnessa sale in 1645, and died in 1658, suggesting a likely birth year of 1620 -25. [This date would be consistent with his being a son of Henry Horne,a 1624 resident of James City County, a unsubstantiated speculation].

1645 - 1651: Four children borne to Thomas Horne and Mary Yates:Mary, Thomas, Elizabeth and Hanna (Johanna), inferred from will ofgrandmother Joane Yates, and other citations.

1652: Thomas Horne made constable.

1652: Death of Peter Rigglesworth.

1652: Thomas Horne, cooper, states intent to wed the widow, JaneRigglesworth [Baird #21], indicating that his wife Mary is deceased.

1658: Thomas Horne dies intestate; his widow, Jane, marries ThomasLovell. [Several citations from both Baird and True).

1660/61 Joane Yates, g'mother, charges ill-treatment of her g'children,of Mary Yates, deceased, and Thomas Horne, deceased, by ThomasLovell, their "father-in-law", or step-father. [Baird, #22, 23].

1662: Thomas Lovell ordered to give up estates of orphans ThomasHorne and Elizabeth Horne to g'mother Joane Yates, and also estates ofJohana and Mary to their respective husbands, Balentine and Fanshaw.[Baird #25, 27].

The above events appear to be well established as reported, and I see nocontroversy there. However, the following events described do notappear to me to allow an obvious, easy, or certain interpretation, unlessadditional supporting data can be located.

From the Library of Virginia, Land Office Patents and Grants/NorthernNeck Grants & Surveys:

27 Sept 1665. Thomas Horne grantee. 300 acres near the head ofthe Western branch of the Elizabeth River (in Lower Norfolk County),beginning ... joining to the land of Jane Riggleworth... the said land beingformerly granted to Robert Capps and Robert Spring dated the 30th ofMay 1653 and by the said Capps sold unto the said Horne.

Since this grant was made 7 years after the death of Thomas Horne "Sr",I initially assumed the grant was not made to him (Sr.), but, on the otherhand, was likely made to his son, Thomas Horne "Jr", who wouldpresumably be about 20 years old in 1665.

However, Mr. Baird concludes that the 1665 grant of 300 acres was madeto Thomas Horne, SR, the father, and Baird describes his reasoning asfollows: "This is evidently Thomas Horne Sr., though the above recordshow he had been dead for five years or more. Thus this is apparently aposthumous patent. A patent signed five or more years after thepatentee's death is unusual, but there's no escaping the conclusion.

( Baird continues) "The land description in patents was copied from thesurvey submitted. In this case, the survey must have been the same oneused for the 1653 patent since it mentions Jane Riggleworth (whom hehad married more than ten years earlier). See the three patents of1682."

Further, Robert Baird points out that this same land was, at someunknown time, deeded to the three daughters of Thomas Horne SR, asrecorded in three separate patents, all three dated 22 November, 1682,on which date the subsequent transfer of the three tracts from each of thethree daughters to three separate purchasers was documented.

The questions is raised as to exactly how the 300 acres came intopossession of the three daughters of Thomas Horne.

Baird hypothesizes as follows: "These three patents, all consecutive onpage 210 (of VA Patent Book 7), are the east, middle, and west parts,respectively, of the 1665 patent to Thomas Horne. Obviously, Horne'sland was inherited equally by his three daughters. Since there is no willrecorded for Thomas Horne, it would appear that he died intestate. Hisdaughters would have inherited the land in equal shares only if therewere no male children. Thus it seems that Thomas Horne Jr. must havepredeceased his father leaving no heirs of his own." [The precedingconclusion by Baird is inconsistent with his documentation of the namingof Thomas Horne, Jr in the will of his grandmother, Joane Yates, writtenin October, 1664 and proved in October, 1666. THOMAS HORN SR'SDEATH IS CLEARLY ESTABLISHED AS OCCURRING IN 1658 (SEEABOVE), AND THOMAS HORN JR IS SPECIFICALLY NAMED ASBEING ALIVE IN 1661 AND 1662 (CITED ABOVE, LNC WILLS ANDDEEDS D, pp 288, 298, AND 307, ABSTRACTED IN HISTORICALSOUTHERN FAMILIES).

Baird coments continue: "The sales by the daughters must have occurredsometime before 1669, since Thomas Fanshaw was dead by 16 June1669. It is possible that the sales actually predated the 1665 patentitself. The deed books ought to be checked for the relevant deeds."

I acknowledge that Baird's hypthesis may be correct, but, particularlybecause the granting of 300 acres to a man dead for seven years seemsso improbable, I believe that further study is indicated to test Baird'shypothesis.

Alternative hypotheses seem to me to include the following:1) Thomas Horne, "Jr" may have renounce his claim to a portion of the300 acre property for reasons other than his death.

2) Thomas Horne, "Jr" may have been the grantee of the 300 acreproperty in 1665, but may have subsequently deeded the property to hissisters.

I believe the Baird hypothesis above is not sufficient to establish crediblythat Thomas Horne Jr died prior to the transfer of the 300 acre property tothe heirs of his father, Thomas Horne, Sr.

Given the temporal and geographic considerations, I believe furtherattempts need to be made to determine if any of the other well-established Horn(e) citizens who appear to have been born in this areaon the Virginia-Carolina border in the late 17th century were descendantsof these two Thomas Hornes.

The striking prevalence of usage of the name, Thomas, among thedescendants of William Horn of Nansemond and Richard Horne ofNorthhampton, seems to me to reinforce the likelihood of a geneticconnection among these families.

I have requested assistance from Donald Moore, CGRS, a professionalgenealogist with particular expertise in this area, in the analysis of thepresent data and the search for additional information on this subject.

22 September, 2004

Additional notes of 31 January, 2005:

I have had Donald Moore, referenced above, review much of the materialcited herein. Moore offers the following general opinions, in the form ofAnswers to my specific questions:

1)> Q: How would you speculate that the date (September 27, 1665)on the> transfer of the property to Horne, appearing in the hand-written text> from patent/grant, would have been dated seven years following the> death of the "said Thomas Horne"?

Moore's Answer: I really have no idea about this one. I know that headrights (50 acresof land due for each person transported into the colony) were often notclaimed until years after the event. It could be that the transfer ofproperty that took place in 1653 before Horne's death was not recordeduntil 1665. This is not unusual. Perhaps the patent was recorded as aprecaution against possible legal difficulties with Thomas Lovell in1662 and his administration of the orphans' estate.

2) >Q: If you were a betting man, given the evidence I have presentedand> your knowledge of both the human condition and the transfer of> properties in this era, what would you judge to be the likelihood that> 1) Thomas Horne Jr predeceased his father, as postulated by Baird, or2) Thomas> Horne Jr, formally or informally, renounced his birthright and moved> west to Nansemond county, Sussex county, or thereabouts, and raiseda> family, the records of which, if any, have been long destroyed or> lost?

Moore's Answer: The first option is the simplest solution. However,given the apparentunrest in the household after Thomas Horne's widow Jane marriedThomasLovell, I would not be surprised if the second option were a betterchoice.

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Based on my study and consideration of this material, and inconsideration of the opinions offered by others, described above, I remainconvinced that it is reasonably likely that Thomas Horne, Jr., the son ofThomas Horne, Sr. and Mary Yates, a) was born in about 1640-45, b)

was orphaned at the death of his father in 1658, and c) becameembroiled in a conflicted and controversial situation over the ownership ofthe Elizabeth River property owned by his deceased father, a controversypitting his maternal family members, in particular his grandmother, JoaneYates, against his stepmother and her husband, Thomas Lovell.

I propose that the peculiar inconsistencies noted above, particularly theanomalous dates associated with the several transfers of the ElizabethRiver property that had belonged to his father, reflects delays anduncertainty in determination and adjudication of proper owners of thatproperty at various times.

It is my suggestion that Thomas Horne, Jr., as a very young man, tired ofthe conflict, yielded all claim to that property by allowing it to be patentedby his three sisters, and elected to move westward, establishing hisfamily in one of the western counties.

I am assuming that it is likely, but unproven, that Thomas Horne, Jrfathered Richard Horne "of Northampton", William Horn "of Nansemond",Henry Horn of Chowan, and other children.

I invite and solicit evidence from interested persons which may eithersupport or disparage this hypothesis.

1 February, 2005Robert G. HornFTW: ThosHorneOfNorfolkv2.ftw

Children of THOMAS HORN and MARY YATES are:

i. MARY3 HORN

4, b. 1648, Virginia; m. THOMAS

FANSHAW, Bef. Feb 1661/62.

ii. ELIZABETH HORN4, b. Bet. 1648 - 1652.

iii. HANNA HORN4, b. Bet. 1648 - 1652; m. (1)

JOHN H. HERBERT4; m. (2) GEORGE VALENTINE.

Notes for HANNA HORN:Ancestor of Elizabeth Langley Gabriel, the source of thisinformation re Herbert spouse.

Will of Joane Yates, her grandmother, and otherdocuments suggest initial marriage to George Valentime orBalentine.[ThosHorneOfNorfolkv2.ftw]

Ancestor of Elizabeth Langley Gabriel, the source of thisinformation.

iv. THOMAS HORN4, b. Bef. 16524; d. Aft. 16644;

m. UNKNOWN.

Notes for THOMAS HORN:To the best of my knowledge, there is no good informationbut only speculation as to the parentage of William Horn(1690-1754), the earliest well characterized Horn in theFamily discussed in this treatise.

Gwen Battle Horn reported to me in September of 1997that she suspects that the first immigrant Horn in our linemight have come to America, a refugee from Cromwell,possibly originally from Holland, in 1654, and that he was"possibly also kin or European descendant of Henry andRichard Horn who came to America before 1622",enumerated in the Virgina census taken on February 16th,1623, and listed as living on the Surry side of the JamesRiver.

It is, of course, tempting to speculate that these two Horn's,known to be and documented in the Jamestown VA area in1623, are our progenitors, but I believe at this remotestage, there is little likelihood of determining how these orother Horn's unknown are related to the several other veryearly Horn's of which we have some documentation.

At about the same time our William appears in NansemondVA/Chowan NC area, a Richard Horn appears in the realestate records of Chowan precinct (in 1716), apparentlylocated in what is now Northampton County, NC, and anumber of his descendants are well documented in thesame area of North Carolina. This Richard Horn seems tohave been about the age of our William of Nansemond,and it seems likely they were brothers, but I am aware ofnothing approaching proof of that. Nevertheless, in orderto incorporate and capture the data, I am including theknown descendants of this Richard Horn of Northamptoncounty as a hypothetical brother to William Horn ofNansemond.

The Henry Horn who married Elizabeth Stephenson andwho died in 1761 is quite well documented but the identityof his parents and his siblings is unknown. Because ofproximity of residence and similarity in age to William Hornof Nansemond, I have listed these two as brothers,admittedly without any semblance of documentation.

A Moses Horn is listed as a possible brother of this HenryHorn and William of Nansemond, simply because in the1761 will of Henry Horn, a brother Moses is named.

Another well documented Horn line from that area ofVirginia descends from a James Horn (1720-1793) ofSussex County VA, seemingly one generation youngerthan William and Richard of the preceding paragraph.James' relation to William and Richard, if any, is unknownto me. From this James of Sussex line, his grandson,Frederick Horn (1771-1849) appeared in the Nashville areaand a number of his descendants are recorded in themiddle Tennessee area. One fairly well known Horn fromthis line was a writer of a number of historical works,Stanley F. Horn, fairly recently deceased. A nicely detaileddescription of this Horn line is in Broderbund World FamilyTree, CD #5, pedigree #1407. No attempt is made toincorporate the descendants of this James Horn into thepresent treatise.

June, 2001: The following excerpt from a note by LarryHorn of Fayetteville, Arkansas points out other referencesto individuals with the surname of Horn(e) in 17th centuryVirginia:

"For now, I wanted to call your attention to some items Ifound in vol. 1 ofCavaliers and Pioneers by Nugent. You may be acquaintedalready with theseitems. In any case, I'd be most interested in hearing yourspeculations!

1) "James Knott, 1200 acs. Eliz. City co., 24 Mar. l635 . . .N.E. faceingupon Nanzemund Riv. . . . etc. [for] trans. of 23 pers."including "Jno.Horne."

2) "Margarett Rogers, Widdowe, 500 acs. in the upper Co.of New Norf., 14Aug. l637 . . . etc. [for] trans. of 10 pers" including "Jon.Horne."

As you may know, the county of Upper Norf., or upper Co.of New Norf.,became Nansemond in l646.

3) "James Knott, 1550 acs. Up. Co. of New Norf., l8 Aug.1637 . . . N.E.faceing upon Nansamund Riv. . . . etc. for trans. of 28pers." including"John Horne."

The description of this property is virtually identical withthat in #1above.

4) "Thomas David, Gent., 100 acs. Nanzemond Co., 16Nov. 1653 . . . fortrans. of 2 pers." including "Wm. Horne."

I know there were Horns already in Virginia in l623/4 thatwe may descendfrom; but I thought these records need our attention too. Doyou have someideas/speculations/knowledge about them."

Clearly it would be of great interest to be able to correlatethe above citations with the other information we havementioned, but at the moment I have nothing else to add.RGH

Endnotes

1. ThosHorneOfNorfolkv2.ftw, Date of Import: 27 Feb 2005.2. Gabriel, Elizabeth Langley, correspondence from E. Gabriel, POB 608, Crested Butte, CO, 81224,obtained from Etheldred P. Horn of Flint Michigan.3. Gabriel, Elizabeth Langley.4. ThosHorneOfNorfolkv2.ftw, Date of Import: 27 Feb 2005.

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William Horn of Nansemond and his Children

1 William Horn b: Bef. 1690 in Nansemond County, VA d: Abt. 1754 in Edgecombe Co., NC

….. +Margaret Unknown b: in Virginia d: Bef. 1753 in NC..... 2 [1] William (Jr) Horn b: Abt. 1713 in Nansemond Co., VA d: 1795 in Edgecombe County, NC......... +Unknown..... *2nd Wife of [1] William (Jr) Horn:......... +Ruth Unknown..... 2 [2] Henry (the Quaker) Horn b: 21 Nov 1716 in Nansemond Cty, VA d: 1798 in Wayne, NC......... +Ann Purcell b: 01 Apr 1723 d: Aft. 1776..... *2nd Wife of [2] Henry (the Quaker) Horn:......... +Patience d: Aft. 1798..... 2 Charles Horn b: Abt. 1718 d: 02 Dec 1786 in Bertie County, NC......... +Honour Holland..... 2 Moses Horn b: Abt. 1719 d: 27 Jul 1782 in Edgecombe County, NC......... +Mary Unknown d: 1785 in Edgecombe County, NC..... 2 Thomas Horn b: Abt. 1720 d: Abt. 1782 in Nash Co, NC......... +Hannah Unknown..... 2 David Michael Horn b: 1721 in Edgecombe Cty, NC d: 1790 in Edgecombe Cty, NC......... +Luraney Robbins b: 1738 in Edgecombe County, NC..... 2 John Jacob Horn b: Abt. 1722 d: Abt. 1744 in Craven County, NC......... +Mary Magdaline..... 2 Margaret Horn b: Abt. 1730

Notes on William Horn of Nansemond

This man, the earliest clearly established Horn ancestor in this family, is the William

Horn who emerges from the few surviving records as a property owner and

paterfamilias in the Nansemond County region of southeastern Virginia and nearby

Carolina in the late 1600's or earliest 1700's.    The fact of his life is perhaps best

established by his Will, authored in September of 1753 and probated in June of 1759.

The will has been abstracted as follows: 

From Edgecomb County (NC) Will Abstracts, v. 1, (TN State Library, F262/.e2g38).

Abstract # 197.  "William (X) Horn, Sr., 10 Sep 1753, June Court 1759:  Sons: William,

Henry, Charles, Thomas, and Moses and my daughter Margaret - one shilling each.

Son Michael Horn - all my stock, etc.  To the heirs of my son John dec'd - one

shilling." 

The following text is from a copy of the will first furnished to me by Gwen Battle

Horn:

 Probated in Edgecombe County, North Carolina, June court, 1759.

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  "In the name of God, Amen.

 "The Tenth Day of Septemb. in the year of our Lord Christ one Thousand Seven

Hundred and fifty three, I William Horn Ser. being in Good Health of Body and of

perfect mind and memory, Thanks be Given unto God; Therefore calling unto mind

the Mortality of my Body; and Knowing that it is appointed for all Men once to Die; Do

Make and ordain this my last will and Testamte, That is to Say, Principally and First of

all, I give and recommend my Soul into the Hands of God that gave it, and My Body I

recommend to the Earth to be Buried in Decent Christian Buriall at the Discretion of

my Executors; Nothing Doubting but as the Generall Resurrecting, I shall Receive the

Same Again by the mighty Power of God And as Touching Such Worldy Estate

wherewith it hath Pleased God to bless me in this Life, I Give Demise and Dispose of

the Same in the following Manner and Form---

 "Imprim. I give and Bequeath unto my Well beloved Sons William, Henry, Charles,

Thomas and Moses, and to my wellbeloved Daughter Margaret, to Each of Them one

Shilling Sterling to paid unto them after my Deceace---

 "Item I Give and Bequeath unto the Heirs of my wellbeloved Son Michaell Horn all my

stock of Cattle and Horses and Mares them and there Increase to him and his Heirs

for Ever by the freely to be possessed and Enjoyed---

 "Item I Give and Bequeath unto my Wellbeloved Son Michaell one Gun and all my

Household Goods and all Improvements whatsoever to me Belonging to him and his

Heirs Forever by them freely to be Possessed and Enjoyed---

 "Item I Give and Bequeath unto the Heirs of my wellbeloved Son John Decd. one

Shilling Sterling to be paid them after my Decease---and I do hereby Likewise

Constitute make and ordain my wellbeloved Son Michaell Horn my Sole Executor of

this my last will and Testamente, and I Do hereby Disallow, Revoke and Disanull all

and Every other former---Testaments, Wills, Legacies and Bequests, and Executors by

me in any ways before named, willed and Bequeathed Ratifying and Confirming this

and no other to be my Last will and Testamente---

 "In Witness whereof I have Hereunto Sett my Hand and Seale the Day and year above

Written.---

 "Signed Sealed published, Pronounces and Declared, by the Said William Horn as his

Last will and Testamt. in presence of Wm. Reynolds, Joyce (her mark) Reynolds, Ann

(her mark) Hill, jurat, -- The mark of William (his mark) Horn.

(The will was folded as was the custom in those days and noted as follows:)

"William Horn's Will.  Letters Issued June 1759.  Recorded in the Secretary's Office,

Book No. 6, pag 202."

LOSS OF RECORDS FROM NANSEMOND COUNTY, VIRGINIA

       Several records cited below and other evidence suggests that this William Horn

resided in the Nansemond County, Virginia area in the late 1600's and early 1700's.  

The deeds and other legal records, so important in defining the origins of the earliest

Americans, have been largely lost from this area of Virginia.

       In the first paragraph to the preface of his 1963 book, "Bible Records of Suffolk

and Nansemond County Virginia",  Fillmore Norfleet lists the events which led to the

loss of most of the official records of early Nansemond County, as follows: 

"Nansemond County's official records have been totally destroyed by three sucessive

fires: (1) in April 1734 at the time the repository of official documents, the house of

Christopher Jackson, the county clerk, was consumed; (2) on May 13, 1779, when the

clerk's office along with almost the entire town of Suffolk was destroyed by a

detachment of British infantry; and (3) on February 7, 1866, the fire being of

unexplained origin.  This total destruction of the past has presented an almost

insurmountable problem to historians and genealogists, professional or otherwise,

who have sought to throw more light on the people who lived in and the events that

have taken place within the confines of one of the oldest counties in Virginia."

         For this reason, those records which are available are particularly important in

attempting to determine the origins of William Horn of Nansemond.

Records of Early Property Transactions naming William Horn

The surviving "Virginia Quit Rent Roll of 1704", a long listing of the names and

locations of property owners, was obtained from the following web site 

(www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/va/vafiles.htm).    In this record, two men named

Horne are listed.   "Wm Horne" of Nansemond County, and Richard Horne of Surry

County.   In a reference, presumably based on the same original source material,

provided to me by Larry Horn of Fayetteville, Arkansas, from a volume entitled

"English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records" the following is recorded: " On a

compleat list of the Rent Roll of the land in Nansemond County in Anno 1704", is the

name Wm. Horne, who is said to have 100 acres.   [ Phil Norfleet provides an

illuminating description of the nature of the 1704 Quit Roll rent at one of his many

wonderful websites, this one being at http://norfleet01.tripod.com/norfleet2.htm.]

Thus it appears very likely that this reference may be the earliest documentation of

the presence of this William Horn(e) in the Nansemond County area of Virginia, or

thereabouts.    (The likelihood that Richard Horne of Surry is William's brother is

discussed elsewhere).

In November of 2001, I have located on the web site of the Library of Virginia, under

the listings of Land Office Patents and Grants, a listing for three tracts of land in "the

upper parish" of Nansemond County, Virginia granted to William Horne.  Digital

images of the text of the grants are available from that web site.  The three grants are

sequentially entered in the original handwritten text, and all are dated in the text 22

January, 1718.   The descriptions indicate that the three tracts are contiguous and

located in relation to three streams or waterways, namely Cyprus Swamp, Sarem

Creek, and Scratch Hall Branch.  Tract 1 is for 392 acres "beginning by a branch called

Scratch Hall Branch... to the Cyprus Swamp", tract 2 is 384 acres "on the north side of

Cyprus Swamp ... to Scratch Hall Branch ... to Sarem Creek", and tract 3 is for 237

acres "on the north side of Cyprus Swamp ... bounding on the sd Horne to Saram

Creek".   The adjacent entries are all dated on 22 January, 1718, suggesting that the

property may have been obtained or occupied by the grantees at some date earlier

than its description was entered and recorded.

Substantial study of maps and databases of geographic names in this area suggest

that this property is located in what is now Gates County, NC, on the east side of the

Chowan River and just east of the small community of Eure, NC.    Sarem Creek is a

well defined stream in Gates County NC, clearly designated on many current

topographic maps of this area.  " Cypress Swamp" is a commonly used name in this

part of North Carolina and Virginia, and it should be noted that at that time the term

was often used as a synonym for a small stream or creek, rather than in the sense it is

now generally used.   Waterways called "Cypress Swamp" are present in this area in

the NC counties of Bertie, Gates, and Halifax and in the Virginia counties of  Surry,

Southampton, and Nansemond (now the city of Suffolk), among others.   Therefore,

the location of "Cyprus Swamp" does not locate the William Horn property of 1718. 

Initially I was unable to identify the location of a stream called Scratch Hall Branch on

current or archival maps, nor in databases of geographic names, such as the USGS-

GNIS (vide infra).   On the other hand, Sarem or Saram Creek is  still used and well

marked on current maps of the area of Gates County NC just east of the community

of Eure, NC, and I have not found any indication that this name was used at any other

location in this area or elsewhere.   Furthermore, the stream in Gates County, NC

called Cypress Swamp is located by the USGS, at latitude N362512 and longitude

W0765003, precisely at the location of the headwaters of Sarem Creek, although the

name "Cypress Swamp" does not appear inscribed on current topographic maps of

this area which I have seen.   Although the name "Scratch Hall Branch" does not seem

to be currently in use, I have (Jan 2002) located a citation in the North Carolina

Gazeteer, by Powell, TSLA F252/P6, indentifying a waterway with that name in the

expected location in Gates County NC:  ""Scratch Hall Swamp rises in w Gates County

and flows w into the Chowan River."

Thus it seems clear that the so-called Nansemond County properties assigned to

WIlliam Horn in 1718 were actually located in lands now indisputably located in Gates

County, NC>

The Disputed or Uncertain boundary between Virginia and Carolina

That land described as being in "the upper Parish of  Nansemond County, Virginia"

should now be found to have been in what is present day North Carolina may at first

seem improbable, but the border between Virginia and the territory to its south was

not well established and clarified until about 1728.   The history of this issue is well

described by Phil Norfleet in his essay on "The Norfleets of Colonial Virginia and

North Carolina (1666 - 1775)", available at

http://norfleet01.tripod.com/norfleet2.htm.    

 In 1663, King Charles II granted property south of latitude N 36 degrees (revised to

N36 degrees 30 minutes in 1665), to eight political supporters, called "Lords

Proprietors", a situation which prevailed until 1728, when the King bought the

interests of the Lords and converted North Carolina into a Royal Colony.    Phil

Norfleet further observes, "In those early days, the exact boundary between Virginia

and North Carolina was not accurately defined until a special survey was conducted in

1728.  Therefore, before 1728 many land patents issued by Virginia to land tracts,

thought to be in southern Nansemond County, were subsequently discovered to

actually lie in North Carolina."      (The extremely erudite work of Phil Norfleet, here

and elsewhere is highly recommended.)

As I have suggested above, it appears clearly to me that the 1000 acres granted to

William Horn in 1718 by King George as lying in the "upper parish of Nansemond

County, Virginia, was actually land determined to lie in what became clearly territory

of North Carolina, after the survey of 1728.     Sarem Creek, as mentioned above, is

located at latitude N36 25 minutes, less than 10 miles south of the NC-VA border

which is at latitude N36 33 minutes, a location which places this property clearly

within the area of dispute and uncertainty at the time of the 1718 grants.

The irony is possible that this man, frequently called William Horn of Nansemond,

may not have lived in Nansemond County, after all, at least not after he occupied the

land given to him by the grants of 1718.

The possibility that the 100 acres belonging to Wm Horne listed in the Quit Rent Roll

of 1704 (vide supra) was also in the part of Nansemond County subsequently to

become North Carolina might be considered.

Several  other references to the early ownership of land by a William Horn (and other

Horns) may be found in a book by Margaret Hoffman,  abstracting the records of

Chowan Precinct, NC, 1696 to 1723, in the TSLA catalogue as F262/c44/h6.   A

William Horne is cited as a land owner in the following two abstracts.    The time

frame suggests these abstracts may refer to Horn's Sarem Creek property, as

discussed above.  Note that the author includes the records under the Chowan

precinct of NC rubric, while referring to the property as if they might have been

regarded as being in Nansemond County. 

1) "#1647  Deed Book B1:   Henry Hackley of the Upper Parish of Nansemond Co Va to

William Waters (residence not given)  Carpenter.  6 Feb 1715 for love, good will and

friendly respect- the sd Henry being of Sound Mind and Disposing Memory.  100

acres more or less in the upper parish and Co. afrsd, joining John Hislip, Thomas D--

-----, William Horn and a small White Marsh  as by Patent.  Wit: William Rodes, Ann

Rodes    her mark, Jacob Butler     his mark.   Reg Nansemond Co Ct.  22 Feb 1715 by

Michael Archer C.Ct.  N. C.  29 Mar 1745 (so written in the abstract).  Proved before

me by the Oath of William Rodes.   Let it be registered  E. Moseley, Ch. Just."

2)  "#1531  Deed Book B1:   Thomas Jernegan of the Upper Parish of Nansemond Co,

Va to George Hews (residence not given).  13 October 1722.  For 40 barrels of good,

Merchantable Tarr   340 acres more or less, joining John Jernegan, Richard Odam,

William Horne and Henry Goodman,  part of a larger tract granted to the sd Jernegan. 

22 Feb 1719.  Wit: John Hews   his mark,  R D Tayloe, Robert Hicks.  Ack. 22 Dec.

1722 by Robert Hicks before C. Gale, Ch. Just.  Reg 28 Feb. 1722."

Later Property Transactions by William Horn

        Several of the earliest recorded land transactions by William Horn are listed in a

journal called "North Carolina Historical and Genealogical Register".    [All four of the

following listings are grouped on page 448, in the issue of July, 1901, in a section

called "Abstract of Conveyances", with the notation that 'Original in Court House at

Edenton, NC']   These following four transactions appear to reflect the sale of the

property obtained by William Horne in the three 1718 grants noted just above.  

1) "William Horn to John Hassell, Sr, of Nansemond Co., VA   239 acres known as

Swan Creek, patented Jan'y 22, 1718"  (The size of this property suggests it may the

third tract granted on Sarem Creek in 1718.)  (The further possibility might be

considered that the name, "Swan Creek", may be a misreading of "Sarem Creek" by an

early transcriptionist, or vice-versa.)    

2) "William Horn and wife Margaret to Elias Stallings, April 29, 1723.  My manor

plantation at a place called the Banks of Italy.  Test, Michael Horn, John Denby."  

[RGH: I am not aware of a recorded Michael Horn who would correspond to this

witness.]

3) "William Horne to Elias Stallings, Apl 15, 1729.  100 Acres known as the "Banks of

Italy".  Test, Michael Horn, John Denby.   In the Ray Horn Book, p139,  clearly the

same transaction is recorded as follows:   "April 15, 1729;  "#2.  (April 15,) 1729 -

Chowan Precinct Deeds, Book C1, page 630,  WILLIAM HORNE sold Elias Stallings 100

acres, part of a patent to said Horne in 1718.  {see Ref to 1718 patent, just above]. 

(This was known as THE BANKS OF ITALY.  The deed was witnessed by Michael Horn

and John Denby."

4)"Same (ie William Horn} and wife Margaret to John Denby, of Nansemond Co, VA. 

150 acres on the Cypress Swamp,  July 25, 1730.  Test, Elias Stallings, Michael Horn."

Thus, it appears likely that the four items immediately above represent several

transfers of the "Nansemond" property obtained in the 1718 grants to William Horn

"of Nansemond".

Other Horn(e) Families in upper eastern NC at this time

By the time, 1718, that William Horne obtained grants to over 1000 acres in the

Cypress Swamp/ Sarem Creek area, east of the Chowan River, a certain Richard Horne

had two years earlier obtained property several miles to the west of the Chowan River,

on Turkey Creek near its terminus into the Meherrin River.

A third Horn(e) family bought property in the area in 1729, and within a few years all

three of these Horn(e) families, apparently headed by men of about the same age,

lived within a few miles of each other

These three Horn(e) families that moved into eastern North Carolina, probably from

adjacent Virginia, in the early 1700's included Richard Horne and his wife, Sarah,

William Horn and wife, Margaret, and Henry Horne and wife Elizabeth. Since these

men were contemporaries and lived in clear proximity, it appears likely, but

unproven, that they were brothers.   

 A certain Thomas Horn who purchased 300 acres on Western Branch of the Elizabeth

River in Norfolk County in 1665 is a likely candidate to be the father of one or more

of these three men, but no specific evidence to support that possibility is known.

Richard and Sarah entered North Carolina first, and from 1716 to 1724 they owned

property and lived on Turkey Creek, west of the Meherrin River, near the present town

of Murfreesboro. In 1723 they obtained a patent for 640 acres, a few miles to the

southwest, and they relocated to this tract north of Potecasi Creek and west of

Paddy's Delight (creek), retaining this property until 1746.

In 1729 Henry Horne and his wife Elizabeth purchased 290 acres at the head of the

Cashie River, north of the present town of Lewiston, where they apparently lived until

Henry's death in 1761. (Bertie County Deed Book C115(90)     John Henard to Henry

Horne.    May 7 1729.   20 pounds for 290 acres.  On western and middle branch of

Cashey.  Adj. James Rutland.  Part of tract granted Abel Curtis for 640 acres, dated

August 1 1726.  Wit: Joseph Lewis, Michael Horne, Thomas Barfield,  May 1729.  R.

Forster.)

William Horn and his wife Margaret sold their Sarem Creek property east of the

Chowan River in several transactions over a number of years, perhaps from 1723 to

1730, and then appear to have purchased  other properties both on Ahoskey

Pocoson, just south of Rich Square,  located between and just a few miles from the

properties owned by Richard Horne and Henry Horne, as well as further south, on the

south side of Conneho Creek (vide infra), where they spent the final years of their life.

There is fragmentary evidence suggesting that other Horn men, contemporaries of

the above three, were present in the area at this time, men who may well be related to

the three better known Horn listed above.

A Michael Horne is named as a witness to three Bertie County deeds dated 1729, and

Henry Horne is also named in all three. A Michael Horn also witnesses two deeds in

which William Horn and wife Margaret sell Nansemond County property at about the

time they are about to relocate into NC. William and Margaret's son named David

Michael is said to have been born about 1721, thus disqualifying this Michael as the

witness to the documents cited. Perhaps this earlier Michael was a brother or cousin

to William and/or Henry. Nothing further is known about this person.

 Henry Horn's 1761 will refers to a brother, Moses, as executor of his will. This Moses

Horn is clearly not Moses Horn, the son of William, nor is he Moses Horn, the

grandson of Richard Horne. No other documentation of Henry's brother Moses is

known to me.

Further observations on real estate transactions pertaining to William

Horn(e)

I have been privileged to obtain copies of original research in this area done by Edna

Raiter of Raleigh NC, a descendant of William Horn via his grandson Elijah Horn and

Elijah's daughter, Rhoda.   Mrs. Raiter has meticulously studied deeds and other

records pertaining to this Horn family, and I will repeatedly refer to her work in my

presentations.      In most instances I believe her interpretations are correct,  and I will

indicate contrary viewpoints where I believe she may have erred.   It should be

acknowledged that, because of the frequent use of the same given names for

different individuals, ie, numerous 'cousins' living in the same area, it is often difficult

and sometimes impossible to determine which specific individual is being named in a

particular document.

In a letter from Edna Raiter to Bill Horn of Garland, TX, dated 5 Nov 1996, Raiter says

she has determined that Henry Horn, son of Wm Sr, bought land in Chowan county in

1720 (I have not located this record) and that this Henry bought land in Bertie in

1730, in an area that became Edgecomb in 1741.  I believe that this interpretation of

Raiter re 'Henry Horn' needs to be re-examined, since I am sure she at least at some

points did not correctly discriminate between 1) the Henry Horn who died with will

dated 1761 from 2) Henry Horn, "the Quaker", 1716-1798.  Henry the Quaker is the

second son of William of Nansemond, while the Henry who died about 1761 is

probably a brother of Wm of Nansemond.  Clearly a Henry Horn who purchased land

in Chowan in 1720 and Bertie in 1730 is unlikely to be Henry the Quaker, who was

born in 1716.

In Mary Bell's 1963 book, Colonial Bertie County NC Deeds, 1720-1725 [TSLA:

F262/B38B4,  the following peculiar and confusing abstract appears:

       " C232(106)    Henry Baker of Chowan Precinct to Henry (William) Horn (Horne). 

May 12, 1730.  30 pounds for 110 acres.  On Ahoskey Pocoson, Adj John Gray.  Land

bought of William Faulk.  Patent date Feb 1 1725.  Wit:  John Beverly, Henry Beverly."  

I assume the opinions of Raiter expressed in the preceding paragraph may be based,

at least in part, on this document. 

In Feb 2000 I examined a photocopy of the originals of the above deed and the deed

recording the sale of the property in 1737.   The preponderance of references in the

deeds is to Henry Horne, and the single reference to William Horne appears to be a

"slip of the Pen" by the loquacious scribe.   I believe the Henry Horne who purchased

this property in 1730 is probably the Henry Horne,with wife Elizabeth, who died about

1761, since Henry the Quaker was only 14 in 1730.    Candor and humility forces me

to admit that the idenitity of the purchaser(s) of this property may forever remain

clouded, however

The following deed, from the  Mary Bell book on Colonial Bertie, appears to record the

purchase of  land by William Horn of Nansemond, also in the Ahoskey Creek area

referenced in the preceding paragraph.

"E273(188)   Henry Baker of Chowan Precinct to William Horne.  Jan 20 1737/8.  25

pounds for 260 acres.  On Ahosey Swamp (Ahoskey Marsh) "at head of Branches". 

Patented to Henry Baker April 6 1722.  Wit: Charles Horne, jurat, Solomon Barfield,

jurat, Chris's Cuwell(?).  May Ct 1738." 

Raiter's next identification of a record of Wm Horn Sr was in the Bertie county records

on 9 May 1740 "when he gave 130 acres, part of a 260 acre tract of land, to his son

Charles.  The deed states that he, William, and his wife had the right to remain on the

property as long as they lived.  The land was located on the 'head' of one of the

brances of Ahoskey swamp located in an area where Northamption, Halifax and Bertie

counties now join together.  There is no date on the deed stating when Horn

purchased the land, only that he had bought it from Henry Baker, who had received it

by grant, dated 6 April 1722.  A Henry Horne (Wm's son ? or?Wm's brother, Henry, d

1761] had sold a tract, also bought from Henry Baker and adjoining Wm's land, on 6

July 1737, to Thomas Horne, believed to be Wm's son.  The witnesses on the latter

deed were Charles, Michael, and Moses Horn, also Wm's sons.  On 9 August 1740,

Wm sold the last 130 acres to Charles, who sold it to Moses Horn, his brother, on 9

May 1743.  Witnesses were Wm Horne Sr, Henry Horne, and John Randle.

Abstracts of four  deeds documenting Raiter's description in the preceding paragraph

are also found in Bell's book:

     1)  "E153(180)   Henry Horne to Thomas Horne   July 6 1737.  20 pounds for 110

acres.  On upper end of Ahoskey Pocoson adj. John Davison.  Land bought of Henry

Baker, and granted to William Faulk by patent for 110 acres.  Feb 1 1725.  Wit:

Charles Horne, Michael Horne, Moses Horne.  August Court 1737.

[Since Henry, the son of William, was born in 1716 and was only 21 at the time of this

transaction, I believe it is very likely that the Henry Horn who obtained Ahoskey

property from Baker and who sold it to Thomas Horne in 1737 was the Henry Horn,

contemporary to William of Nansemond, probably his brother, who died in 1761.   See

mention of the 1730 purchase of this property, above.]

     2)  "F148(228)   William Horne to Charles Horne.  Aug 9 1740.  At head of the

branches of Ahoskey Swamp.  Part of a patent granted Henry Baker for 260 Acres

dated April 6, 1722.  Wit: Robert Whitfield, William Moor, jurat.  Aug Ct 1740."

     3)  "F410(257)   William Horne to Charles Horne.  May 9 1743.  To well beloved

son.  Land on Ahoskey Swamp. Being part of land William Horne bought of Henry

Baker which was granted to Baker for 260 acres.  April 6 1722.  Wit: Henry Horne,

Moses Horne, John Randall.  May Ct 1743. Henry DeLon.

     4)  "F412(257)  Charles Horne to Moses Horne.    *.  20 pounds for 130 acres.  In

"N'Hampton Co.".  Land bought of William Horne which he bought of Henry Baker and

is part of Baker's patent for 260 acres dated April 6 1722.  Wit: Henry Horne, John

Randall, William Horne.  May Ct 1743. Henry DeLon.

 Raiter continues:  "Wm's will, dated 10 Sept 1753, proved Feb ct, 1759.  The

following information indicates he died between 10 Sept 1753 and 4 April 1754.

Charles Horne, of Edgecombe  county (now Halifax county], 'having full authority as

heir of my father, ' sold 200 acres located on the south side of Conneho Creek, (now

spelled Conoho on NC maps) in Edgecombe county (now Halifax County) to John Cain

of the same county on 4 April 1754.  The deed further stated 'it being land where

John Horn, deceased, formerly lived.'  Moses Horn was a witness. "

 The abstract of that deed, from Bell, follows: "24(45)  CHARLES HORNE of Edge. Co to

JOHN CAIN of Edge Co   4 Apr 1754    15 pounds Va money   200 acres on the south

side of Conneho creek, it being the plantation whereon JOHN HORNE decd, formerly

lived.  All houses, buildings, yards, gardens etc. Wit: M A DEHORTY, MOSES HORNE,

SARAH BRYANT   S her mark   Reg. Edge. Co   May Ct 1754  B Wynns CC

 Raiter continues, " Wm Sr and Wm Jr had both rec'd grants on the south side of

Conneho Creek on 14 Feb 1739.  It was located in Bertie county until the formation of

Edgecombe county in 1741."  (RGH, Prior to Jan, 2002,  I had not been able to locate

records of these grants to Wm Sr and Wm Jr, cited by Raiter, but on 7 Jan 2002, I

located the following two citations.  1) In Hoffman's book, Colony of North Carolina,

1735-1764, Abstract of Land Patents, vol 1, I located the following entry: "Wm.Horn,

14 Feb 1739,  160 acres in Edgecombe County on the S. side of Conehoe Creek,

joining Buxton's line and the creek", and 2) from Pruitt, Colonial Land records in NC,

Land Entries 1735 -1752, the following entry: "Apr 5 1745  Wm Horn enterss 150 ac

in Edgecombe Co on N side of Coneho Creek: border: oopposite Jno Wiggon's land;

paid; made out."

 Current and archival maps show that  Conoho creek arises near Palmyra, about 12

miles NE of Tarboro, then moves south and then directly east to end in the Roanoke

River.  Conetoe creek is roughly parallel to Conoho, to the west and therefore closer

to Tarboro.

 Edna Raiter reports (p 29)  the following:  Wm Sr and Wm Jr had both received land

grants on the south side of Conneho creek on 14 Feb 1739, land located then in

Bertie co until the formation of Edgecombe in 1741.  Later on the page she indicates

that this land then became Halifax county, and in 1774 it became Martin county. 

Raiter then states, "William Sr remained on this farm until his death in 1754.  William

Jr. bought other tracts in Edgecombe co, sold his property in what was then Halifax

county, and moved to Edgecombe where it is assumed that he lived out his life.  Most

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1 Henry (the Quaker) Horn b: 21 Nov 1716 in Nansemond County, VA d: 1798 in Wayne, NC+Ann Purcell b: 01 Apr 1723 d: Aft. 1776

2 William Horn b: 30 Mar 1738 in Nansemond County, VA/NC d: Bet. 1797-1800+Celia Richardson b: Abt. 1740 d: 01 Dec 1760 in Edgecombe County, NC2nd Wife of [1] William Horn:+Mary Thomas b: Abt. 1741 in Nash County, NC d: Abt. 17783rd Wife of [1] William Horn:+Sarah Granberry d: Abt. 17904th Wife of [1] William Horn:+Sarah Norfleet b: Abt. 1763 in Nansemond County, VA d: Aft. 1824 in ?Nash County,

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2 Esther Horn b: 06 Apr 1740 in Edgecombe, NC d: Unknown+Andrew Ross, Jr.

2 Isaac Horn b: 07 May 1742 in Wayne County, NC d: 1782 in NC+Edith Richardson d: May 1801 in Nash county, NC

2 Henry Horn, Jr. b: 10 Jun 1744 in Edgecombe, NC d: 05 Feb 1785 in Edgecombe, NC+Sarah Battle b: 1743 d: 1798 in Edgecombe County, NC

2 Jacob Horn b: 10 Mar 1747/48 in NC d: 1827 in Edgecombe County, NC+Elizabeth Unknown2nd Wife of [2] Jacob Horn:+Millicent Thomas

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2 Mourning Horn b: 10 Mar 1747/48 in Wayne County, NC d: 15 Feb 1829 in TuscaloosaCo, AL

+Wilson Curl d: Abt. 1802 in Montgomery County, TN

2 Phebe Horn b: 14 Sep 1749 in Edgecombe, NC d: Unknown+James Ricks b: in Edgecombe County, NC

2 Joel Horn b: 14 Aug 1751 in Edgecombe, NC d: 1793 in Nash, NC+Ann Harris d: Abt. 17892nd Wife of [3] Joel Horn:+Sarah Philips b: 1771 in Edgecomb County, N. Carolina d: 1850 in Davidson County,

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2 Thomas Horn b: 24 Mar 1753 in Edgecombe, NC d: Abt. 1808 in Wayne County, NC+Celia Ann Vick

2 Charity Horn b: 19 Nov 1755 in Edgecombe, NC d: Unknown+William Battle b: 08 Nov 1751 in Edgecombe County, NC d: 1781 in Edgecombe

County, NC

2 Selah Horn b: 13 Feb 1758 in Edgecombe, NC d: Unknown

2 Demaris Horn b: 31 May 1760 in Edgecombe, NC d: Unknown+James Cobb

2 Jeremiah Horn b: 01 Nov 1763 in Edgecombe, NC d: Bet. 1809-1840 in Wayne County,NC or Indiana

+Pheriba Peele b: 27 Mar 1765 in Wayne County, NC d: Unknown

*2nd Wife of [4] Henry (the Quaker) Horn:.. +Patience d: Aft. 1798

Notes on Henry Horn, the Quaker

The following short excerpt from a privately published source seems to be a credible synopsis.

"The Horne-Polk Family Connection in Southern Arkansas, by John S. Polk,

207 Belding Street, Hot Springs, Arkansas, 71901.  

I. A Quaker, William Horn, of Nansemond Co, VA, was the father of Henry Horn,

b. 21 November, 1716.

II. Henry Horn, son of William, M/1 Ann Purcell in 1737.  Residence was established in Edgecombe

Co NC.  Henry was a member of Rich Square monthly meeting of Quakers, Edgecombe Co. 

Children enumerated.

Henry's first wife, Ann died after 1776, and he M/2 Patience ___________, who died after 1798. 

Removing from Edgecomb Co about 1780, the family settled in Wayne Co, NC, where it is listed on

the 1790 us census and where Henry died in 1798. etc."

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Henry was born in 1716, probably in Nansemond County, Virginia or nearby North Carolina, where

his father had obtained a grant of land by 1718.  The family by 1730 had obtained property located

at "the head of the branches of Ahoskey Pocoson", just south of Rich Square, the site of a Quaker

meeting house. The family of Henry's wife, Ann Purcell,  lived in Southampton County, VA,  just

west of Nansemond County.

Henry Horn, his wife Ann, and their children are frequently mentioned in the Quaker records of the

Rich Square Monthly Meeting from 1761 to 1776, and in the Perquimans meeting from 1757 -

1759, consistent with their residing in the Ahoskie area, just south of Rich Square, during the early

part of their lives.

[It originally appeared to me that Henry bought property  in NC as early as 1730, when he was only

14 years old, based on this peculiar abstract of this Bertie deed [" C232(106)    Henry Baker of

Chowan Precinct to Henry (William) Horn (Horne).  May 12, 1730.  30 pounds for 110 acres.  On

Ahoskey Pocoson, Adj John Gray.  Land bought of William Faulk.  Patent date Feb 1 1725.  Wit: 

John Beverly, Henry Beverly."]  In Feb 2000, I obtained a copy of the original of this deed and of the

following deed, recording the sale of the same property in 1737  [E153(180)  " Henry Horne to

Thomas Horne   July 6 1737.  20 pounds for 110 acres.  On upper end of Ahoskey Pocoson adj.

John Davison.  Land bought of Henry Baker, and granted to William Faulk by patent for 110 acres. 

Feb 1 1725.  Wit: Charles Horne, Michael Horne, Moses Horne.  August Court 1737]. " 

In the original of the peculiar 1730 Bertie deed above, the name Henry Horne is used multiple times

as the purchaser.  In only ONE location the name William Horne is clearly written in a context that

suggests it may be an error by the scribe.    The original of the deed recording the 1737 sale of

clearly the same property by Henry Horne to Thomas Horne, contains no reference to a William

Horne (see Bertie E153-180).    Since Henry the Quaker was only 14 years old in 1730, it seems

unlikely that he was buying this property.   It nows seems more likely that the purchaser here is

Henry Horne + Elizabeth, who died in 1761, possibly a brother or cousin of William of Nansemond

and/or Richard of Northampton.]

Numerous property transactions are recorded in this Ahoskey area after 1741 involving "Henry

Horn of Edgecomb County", but since both this Henry Horn and his presumed uncle, the Henry

Horn who was married to Elizabeth Stephenson, both lived in this area prior to the older Henry's

death in 1761, the particular Henry involved in a given transaction during this period  is often not

obvious.

A Henry Horn of Edgecomb County  is recorded as having bought 250 acres on the north side of

the Tar River in 1741, selling the same property, with his wife, Susana, a year later.   The same

couple bought 25 acres south of the Tar River in 1745.   Initially I had no idea who this "Henry Horn

and Susana" were, but the probability occurs to me that "Susana" may have been a familiar or

alternative name for Ann Purcell, the wife of Henry the Quaker.      I am aware of no alternative

explanation for the identity of this couple.  

In Jan of 2002, I have located evidence of a Tar River land patent to a Henry Horne in 1742, In

Hoffman's  Abstracts of Land Patents, 1735 - 1764, Colony of North Carolina: "Henry Horn, 5 May

1742, 170 acres in Edgecombe County on the S. side of the Tar River at the mouth of Dogwood

Creek, joining the river.", providing further indication that Henry the Quaker began acquiring

properties in the Tar River area about 1740.

The following deed abstract clearly records an early purchase of substantial property in the Rocky

Mount area by Henry the Quaker.  "THOMAS KERBY of Edge Co to HENRY HORN of Edge Co   10 Mar

1743/44  110 pounds current money of Va.   299 acres more or less on the north side of Tarr River

now in the possession of the sd KERBY and ELIZABETH his wife  and is part of a patent for 500 acres

to the sd KERBY   6 Mar 1729."    It appears that the residual 200 acres of the 500 acre 1729 grant

to Kerby was bought by Henry and Ann in 1752,  as recorded in the following abstract.    "352(148) 

THOMAS KIRBY of Edge Co to HENRY HORN of Edge co   16 Sept 1752  20 pounds   200 acres on

the north side of Tar river, joining Stoney creek all houses, orchards, fences etc.  Wit: BENJAMIN

BUNN, JAMES RICKS, CHARLES JONES.    Reg Edge Co Nov Ct 1752  B Wynns CC."

I believe this is almost certainly Henry Q, since the location near Rocky Mount is in the area where

he owned properties throughout much of his life, divesting himself through gifts to his

descendants in the 1780's and 1790's.   This may be the 200 acres Henry sold to his son Wm in

1761 ["254-(75)  Henry Horn of Edgecomb Co to his son William Horn of same.  21 Dec 1761.  50

pounds Va.  200 acres on the north side of Tar river, joining Stoney Creek.Wit: John Page, Joseph

Pittman (a Quaker), Isaac Horn.  Dec Ct 1761. Jams Hall DCC].  I also suggest that this property

might be the source of the name, Kirby's creek, employed in Henry's bequest to grandson Josiah in

his will.

Some of Henry's assets may have been derived from his wife's endowment. Henry and Ann sold

Virginia property in 1762, as documented in Southampton County Deed Book 3, pp 110-111. 

[Henry Horn and wife Ann of Edgecombe County, North Carolina to Newitt Drew, dated 14 Jan

1762.  100 acres on the west side of Angelica Swamp on Purcell's branch (given sd Ann, wife of sd.

Henry, by father Thomas Purcell on 12 Dec 1745), S: Henry (signed) Horn and Ann (signed) Horn,

W: Hardy (signed) Harris and Aaron (signed) Harris]. 

In his later years Henry moved south into Wayne County, where numerous deeds identify him as

living "south of Contentnea Creek", below Wilson NC.

One of the earliest references to Henry Horn that I find in Wayne County records is in Deed Book 3,

#409, p. 9. , recording William Alford in 1785 selling 400 acres to James Cobb: the deed locates

the property adjoining Henry Horn. Several following references from this Wayne County Deed Book

identify Henry Horn as living on property on the south side of Contentnea Creek.

I have not located a deed showing Henry Horn's initial acquisition of property in Wayne County. 

The handwritten text of Henry's will clearly indicates that the plantation left to his wife and thence

to three of his sons was "bought of Richard...".  The text appears to me to read "bought of Richard

Horn(e)"  with either a "Sr" or "Jr" interlineated above the "Horn(e)".  However, I have as yet not

found a deed transferring any property from a Richard Horn(e) or from any other "Richard" to Henry

Horn.  Wayne county was excised from Dobbs County in about 1780. At the Tennessee State Library

and Archives (TSLA), with an extensive collection of NC County Records, I found that there are no

Dobbs County records extant as such, since many were lost and others were transferred to the

archives of the counties which were constructed from the "lost county" of Dobbs, suggesting that

such records of Henry's property transfers prior to the formation of Wayne county (in 1779) might

be in Wayne Co records.

Accordingly, in Wayne County Deed Book 5E p 372 there is the following incomplete citation. 

Henry Horn, Senr of Dobbs County, NC bought land, witnessed by Thomas Horn, Sept 27 1777.  I

suggest that  this citation may be a reference to Henry's purchase of his last plantation, probably

from Richard Horne, Jr.   This citation clearly indicates that Henry Horn is "of" and thus already lives

in Dobbs County, which is soon to become Wayne County, in 1779.

Also in property not clearly accounted for in my analysis, Henry Horn received a Granville Grant of

425 acres in Johnston county in June 1756, property lying "on both sides of Poplar Swamp".    In

1756 the lands of Wayne County-to-become (in 1779) was a part of Johnston County.  At the

present time I cannot locate a Poplar "Swamp" in this region.  However,  in a gazeteer of Place

Names in this region, [William Murphy, Dobbs County Crown Patents, 1759-1775] Murphy

identifies a Wayne County stream called Poplar Branch as flowing northeast into Black Creek.  Black

Creek is located south of and flows into Contentnea Creek.  Therefore, it appears likely that in

Henry Horn's final years, in Wayne County, he lived on or near the property he acquired by the

Granville Grant of 1756.

The following Edgecomb County deed abstract refers to "Henry Horn of Wayne.." giving Edgecomb

county property to his son Jacob.   "535-(276)  Henry Horn of Wayne Co to his son Jacob Horn of

Edge Co.  1 Mar 1783.  Deed of gift.  350 acres, joining Tar River, Hilliard, Compass Creek, sd

Jacob Horn, a white oak marked "A", Joel Horn, Cool Spring Gut.  Wit: Hardy Harris, Joel Horn, Jacob

Johnson.  May CT 1783.  Edw Hall CC."

And the following 1785 Nash County abstract refers to Henry Horn "of Wayne County" selling two

tracts of property in Nash County.  "DB3-346  Henry Horn of Wayne Co to Joseph White Sr of Nash

Co.  Mar 25 1785.   For 400 silver dollars two tracts of land:  1) 550 acres adjoining Robert Young,

Joseph White, Widow Thompson, Whitehead's Mill Swamp, and Ready Branch;  (2)  450 acres

adjoining the aforesaid tract, Isaac Hilliard, and Little Pig Basket Creek.  The first tract was granted

to Nathaniel Folsome by Earl Granville on June 30 1760, came by descent to Israel Folsome and was

conveyed by him to Ebenezer Folsome on June 22, 1762.  The second tract was granted to

Ebenezer Folsome by Carl Granville on Aug. 8 1761 and both tracts were conveyed to Henry Horn

by Ebeneqer Folsome on Nov 24, 1772.  Wit: John Bond, David Pridgen, and Redmun Bunn."

In  attempting define the location of properties owned by Henry Horn, the Quaker, particularly his

"last plantation" south of Contentnea Creek, in the summer of 2010 I made several visits to this

area, now located primarily in the southeastern part of Wilson County and adjoining parts of Wayne

and Johnston Counties, with limited success.

It is virtually impossible to locate the precise location of specific properties described in deeds from

the 1700's.  However, a particular location is often suggested by reference to streams, swamps,

and other remaining landmarks.  By combining resources, both personal and documentary at both

the North Carolina Genealogy Library in Raleigh and the Wilson County Public Library in Wilson, NC,

I was able to locate a quite detailed map of Wilson County NC, prepared by Garland P. Stout, with a

detailed accompanying index and annotations describing a large number of landmarks in the area

in question.  In the same area, south of Contentnea Creek where the property deeds and

descriptions discussed above suggest that Henry the Quaker was located, several places and and

names were found on this map.   The following three locations, precisely defined on the old map

are Henry Horn's Mill, 1778, Horn's Bridge, 1792, and Henry Horn's Old Place,

The location of these and other sites are noted on the Map below.  

The disposition of Henry's properties at his death in 1798 is detailed in

Henry Horn's will, quoted in full below,

THE WILL OF HENRY THE QUAKER:

On 8/25/97 RGH rec'd from Gwen Battle Horn of Sante Fe, NM a copy of the will of "Henry the

Quaker", which she obtained 29 Aug 1984 at the NC State Archives.  Acc. to Gwen "This will is

recorded vol. 1, p 47, Wayne Co NC Will Book A-Z and the record there appears to be in a different

writing." 

TEXT OF THE WILL:

     Be it remembered that I, Henry Horn of Wayne County & State of North Carolina do make &

ordain this my last will & Testament, revoking & dis...ing all others heretofore made by me.

ITEM  I give & bequeth to my wife Patience one feather bed & furniture (to wit) that on which we

sleep, One black mare, one hunting saddle, one bridle, two young cows and calves, one sow and

three pigs, one small pine chest, six earthen plates, two cups and four bowls, two basins, 2 dishes,

ten pewter

plates, two silver spoons, Table & Tea spoons, 2 iron potts, 1 frying pan, one cotton wheel, one

pair cards, one tub, one pail, one pigen, 3 setting chairs, one small pine table, one case of knives &

forks, & six pewter spoons, to her & her heirs forever.

ITEM  I lend to my above & wife the use of my Lands & plantation I bought of Richard ???? during

her widowhood but no longer.

ITEM  I give & bequeath to my sons and daughters viz William, Esther, Isaac, Henry, Charity, Joel

and Demaris, the sum of five shillings each.

ITEM  I give & bequeath to my daughter (to wit) Mourning, Phebe, & Selah, the sum of ten pounds

current money to each of them, to them and their heirs forever.   

ITEM  I give & bequeath to my son Jeremiah all that Tract of parcel of Land called the Wiggins place,

to him & his heirs forever.

ITEM  I give & bequeath to my Grandson Josiah Horn, all my wright in the Lands on the North side

of Tarriver and above Kirby's Creek whereon he now lives to him & his heirs forever.

ITEM  I give & bequeath to my negrows, Will & Jude, their freedom & to them two cows, two sows &

pigs to their only use & benefit in.

ITEM  my will & desire respecting my other negroes (to wit) Isaac, Shadrack, Meshack, Duck or

Patience, is that if at any time the laws of our Country will admit of their freedom, then they shall

be free, but untill then, I do hereby deposit them in the care of my Executors as Guargians over

them in all cases with equal authority as if I had made an absolute legacy of them, to them, yet not

so as to sell them for gain.

ITEM  I give & bequeath to my sons Jacob, Thomas, & Jeremiah all & every part of my Estate which is

not heretofore bequeathed or directed, including the land lent my wife after her marryage or

decease, to be Equally divided amongst them, to them & their heirs forever. 

ITEM  I do constitute & appoint my Sons Jacob, Thomas, & Jeremiah Horn's. executors of this my

last Will & Testament, rattifying & confirming the same under my Hand & Seal this thirtieth day of

March in the year of our Lord One thousand Seven hundred and ninety-seven.

Signed and acknowledged in presence of us,             HENRY HORN  S_E_A_L

Jesse Parker

John Doudna

Sarah Doudna

The Kirby's creek property which Henry mentions in the bequest to his grandson Josiah in this will

above is probably the 200 acres which Henry had bought from Thomas Kirby in 1752  and then

sold to his son Wm in 1761 "on the north side of Tar river, joining Stoney Creek", property sold by

Col William to his Josiah in 1791.  Henry's peculiar phraseology in the will, ie, "all my wright in the

Lands on the North side of Tarriver", probably reflects that there was some question of ownership

of this property, a circumstance which often afflicted Colonel William's assets.

Henry the Quaker was doubtlessly a man of substance and character.   His abundant descendants

are well documented, herein and elsewhere.

 I salute him.

 (a copy of these Notes is available in C:\FTW\Docs\HenryQNotes.rtf)

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Response to a query from Tim Horn, manager of the Horn family page on FTDNA.com.

Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:10 AM

To: drbhorn@tnweb.com

Subject: HORN DNA PROJECT INFORMATION

Robert, this is Tim, I am emailing you from my work.

I have a strange match with your group and need some type of explanation.

David Patterson Hunt joined our group and he traces his lineage to a William Hunt b 1740 but he

matches Ethelred and John Long Horne 36/37 and matches you 35/37. 

What the Hell?

Call me if its more convenient

(561)379-7787 cell

My Response:

 Tim, (and David Hunt)

Good to hear from you.

First, let me say that I have been surprised by the fact that I see no indication from the published

yDNA data that

my Henry Horn the Quaker, b 1716, is descended from William Horn of Nansemond.  

My logic is this.     Given that William Horn of Nansemond, according to his will, had seven sons

named Horn, most of the descendants of whom lived in NC at least for a few generations, before

moving south and west and procreating abundantly, it seems likely to me that at least a few of

those who have obtained yDNA studies would have the same yDNA as William of N.    And I still

assume this is likely to be true.

Since three of the four Horn’s that have a clear paper trail to Henry the Quaker (me, Thel, Bryan C)

and we have near identical yDNA, it seems essentially proven that we three share Henry the Q as a

common ancestor.     The fourth Horn, John Long Horne can only trace his paper back to Pitt

county, in 1805, so it seems it is likely that he is also descended from Henry the Quaker or from a

more remote common ancestor.

Two possible explanations for the findings to date regarding Henry the Q and William of N are:

1)   Henry the Quaker was not a son of William of Nansemond.

2)   Henry the Quaker was the son of William of Nansemond, and the only descendants of

William of Nansemond who have submitted yDNA for study are those who have the yDNA of Henry

the Quaker.     Possible, but ? unlikely.

Regarding the Hunts with yDNA matching that of Henry the Quaker, their earliest known ancestor,

William Hunt, died in Richmond county NC in 1807, suggesting he was born in the middle of the

1700’s, one or two generations after Henry the Quaker.     Since these families lived in the same

area for many years it seems likely that either the first Horn or the first Hunt with the Horn-Hunt

yDNA was conceived out-of-wedlock.   I have no indication of any circumstances which would

provide additional information about this probability.     A hallowed American tradition.   

Perhaps a Hunt was the father of Henry Horn the Quaker, perhaps a son of Henry Horn was the

father of William Hunt.

(David Hunt, do you more or less agree with this?)

Keep in touch.

Bob Horn   

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Notes on the Life of

“Colonel” William Horn, 1738 – 1800

I will begin this essay by quoting the entirety of several messages

from Phil Norfleet, a distinguished genealogist who is very well-

informed about many of the families who emerged in pre-Colonial

Virginia and North Carolina, in particular his family, and to no

small extent, my own.

The first message from Phil Norfleet, 97-06-25, nicely

summarizes important information regard the "Colonel"; it is a

particularly appropriate choice because the letter provides the bulk

of the information I had on Colonel William, when I became

seriously interested in my paternal ancestry.

Hi Bob,

The info that I have re Colonel William Horn is presented below:

1 Colonel William Horn 1738 - Abt 1818

+Celia Richardson - 1759

........ 2 Nathan Horn 1759 - 1760

*2nd Wife of Colonel William Horn:

. +Mary Thomas Abt 1743 - Abt 1786

........ 2 Priscilla Horn 1762 -

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........ 2 Millberry Horn 1764 - 1851

............ +Joseph Phillips

........ 2 Josiah Horn 1766 - 1845

............ +Elizabeth _____ 1765 - 1840

................... 3 Henry Horn 1793 - 1866

....................... +Mary Morris 1799 - 1869

................... 3 Cordell Henry Horn 1800 -1882

....................... +Lucy Morris 1809 - 1884

................... 3 Josiah Horn 1806 -

....................... +Elizabeth Harriett Allen

*3rd Wife of Colonel William Horn:

. +Sarah Granberry - Abt 1790

*4th Wife of Colonel William Horn:

. +Sarah "Sallie" Norfleet Abt 1763 - Aft 1824

........ 2 William Norfleet Horn Abt 1793 - Bef 1819

........ 2 David Lawrence Horn Abt 1795 - Aft 1820

It's interesting to note that one of Josiah's sons was named Cordell

H.Horn and one of his grandsons was named Cordell Norfleet Horn.

Cordell (Cordall) Norfleet (1777-1834) was a resident of Montgomery

County TN and had been a member of the Red River Baptist Church until

he was excommunicated in 1816. Do you know anything about the

connection between Josiah Horn and Cordall Norfleet?

Re the 360-acre tract of land given to Col Horn and his wife Sarah

Norfleet Horn by Lemuel Lawrence: This land was later resold by David

Lawrence Horn on 01 February 1820 (see Davidson County Deed Book

"O," page 45). At the time his father and brother (William Norfleet

Horn) were both apparently dead. Previously, on 5 April 1819, David's

mother, Sarah, signed a quit-claim (see Davidson County Deed Book "N,"

page 428) in his favor so that he could sell theland. At the time of the

sale, David Lawrence Horn was a resident of Green County GA. Today,

the actual location of the land is in Cheatham County (established 1856)

TN.

I have never seen hard evidence proving that Josiah was the son of Col

Horn. There was an unsigned monograph in the Horn Vertical File at the

Clarksville Public Library, in which the genealogist (name unknown)

conjectured that Josiah was the son of Colonel William Horn by his 2nd

wife.

Re Colonel Horn's death, most sources I have seen give his death as

1824, the year that his estate in Nash County NC was divided. The only

thing I can state for sure is that he was dead by 1819.

Regards, Phil Norfleet

An earlier E-mail from Phil Norfleet on 6/20/97 to Bill Horn,

forwarded to me, stated the following:

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your message dated 20 June 1997.

There are two Horn family members that I am particularly interested in.

1. Colonel William Horn (1738-c1818) of Nash County NC:

In about the year 1792 Colonel William Horn, a Revolutionary War Hero,

took as his fourth and last wife, Sarah (Sallie) Norfleet, the daughter of

James Norfleet (1735-1780) and Mary Battle. Sallie Norfleet and Colonel

Horn had at least two children: William Norfleet Horn and David

Lawrence Horn.

After James Norfleet's death in 1780, Mary Battle Norfleet, Sallie's

mother, married Lemuel Lawrence (d 1811) of Northampton County NC,

who was a close friend of Colonel Horn. By indenture, dated 29 August

1796, Lemuel Lawrence "for the love and affection that I have and

declare unto my friend William Horn & his wife Sarah Horn, both of the

county of Nash and State of North Carolina," conveyed a 360 acre tract

of land in Davidson County TN to "...the said William Horn & Sarah his

during their natural life and after their decease unto the aforesaid sons

of William and Sarah Horn. To Wit, William Norfleet Horn and David

Lawrence Horn to them & theirs forever." (Davidson County TN, Deed

Book "D", p 225.) See further notes re this land below.

2. Josiah Horn (1766-1845) of Montgomery County TN:

Josiah was a noted Baptist minister and the founder (in about 1805) of

the Blooming Grove Baptist Church in Montgomery County TN. He is

reputed to have been the son of William Horn by his second wife, Mary

Thomas (1743-1786). However, I have no hard evidence that proves this

assertion.

Any information you might have concerning Colonel Horn, his ancestors,

his four wives, and his children would be much appreciated.

Regards,

Phil Norfleet

Chronology of Selected Events in the Life of Colonel William Horn

(1738-?) and his Associates

1738: Born in Nansemond VA. He was the firstborn child of Henry Horn and

Ann Purcell.

1758: Married Celia Richardson, August 2. (She was a first cousin, the daughter

of Ann Purcell’s sister, Phoebe) This wife, Celia Richardson was also the sister of

Edith Richardson who married Col Wm's brother, Isaac.

1759: Son Nathan born, April 9. (Eight months after marriage)

1760: Son Nathan died in January. His wife,Celia, died in December.

1762: Married Mary Thomas, age 19.

1762-1766: Three children born, Priscilla, Millberry, and Josiah

1775-78: Mary Thomas dies, her early thirties.

Milberry may have been raised by her uncle, Henry Horn, Jr. and his

wife, Sarah Battle. In some Battle family records, Milberry is erroneously

described a being a child of Henry and Sarah.

1776, November 12: "William Horn duly elected and certified for Edgecombe

County to a Congress begun and held at Halifax, in the County of Halifax". V.

10, p. 919, Colonial and State Records of North Carolina. Wm Horn was in the

state legislature for a number of years. Same reference states, v 19, p233, "In

the House of Commons April 18, 1783, William Horn certified as being duly

elected to represent Bertie County." He probably continued as a House

member through 1789. V. 21, p193, Colonial Records states "November 2,

1789: House Journal in the House of Commons... William Horn certified as

being duly elected to represent Bertie County." Extensive citations of the

Colonial Records in the Ray Horn Book, pp 77-87.

1779: Marries Sarah Granberry. Information about this marriage was largely

provided to me by Gwen Horne, who provided me a copy of a marriage contract

between these two in which the action is clearly dated as 1779, witnessed by

Thos. Rhodes and Lemuel Burkitt

1780, Dec 26: Nash Co NC Deed Book 1-241: William Horn of Bertie Co NC to

George Wimberley of Edgecombe Co, for 33 pds, a tract of 100 acres on Pig

Basket Creek. Witnesses: Joel Horn, Josiah Horn, Milberry Horn (from data sent

by Jim Doyle). According to Gwen Horn, this 100 acres was a part of Mary

Thomas’ inheritance, and this sale rather well establishes that Josiah and

Milberry had an interest in the property, presumably because she was their

mother. This document is interpreted as indication that Josiah was a son of Col

WM and Mary Thomas. (Gwen’s note of 12/15/97)

1789: Sarah Norfleet Hilliard petitions the Northampton Co Court for Dower of

several tracts of land, her husband Elias having recently died intestate.

1790-1792: Col Wm marries Sarah Norfleet Hilliard.

1793-1795: Sons, William Norfleet Horn and David Lawrence Horn, born to Col

Wm and Sarah Norfleet Horn.

1796, Deed transferring 360 acres in Davidson County, TN from Lemuel

Lawrence to Wm and Sarah Horn, signed 29 August 1796, presumably in Nash

Co NC, witnessed by Cordall Norfleet, John Cryer, and E???? Thompson.

Execution of this deed in Davidson County, TN court on 18 March, 1797, "by the

oath of John Cryer".

[Cordall Norfleet, witness to the deed above, the brother of Sarah Norfleet

Hilliard Horn, according to Phil Norfleet,

(http://members.xoom.com/norfleet1666/norfleet5.htm], relocated from NC to

TN in 1799, joining his brother Capt. James Norfleet in Montgomery and

Robertson Counties, where both were prominent citizens. Cordall was affiliated

with the Port Royal Baptist church. Cordall was probably well known to Josiah

Horn of Blooming Grove, probably providing a name for Josiah's son Cordell and

his grandson Cordial. John Cryer, another witness to the NC deed above and an

affiant to the execution of that deed in 1797 in Davidson County court, was a

apparently a citizen of Sumner county, TN, since an individual of that named in

frequently cited in Sumner County record of the early 1800's.]

Colonel William was, at least for a time active in the affairs, political as well as

religious, of a Baptist Church in North Carolina, discussed by Hugh B. Johnston

in History of The Falls of the Tar River Baptist Church, 1757-1939, Wilson County

(NC) Public Library. This period of religious interest may relate to the religious

interests of the Norfleets and his son Josiah in Tennessee (previous paragraph).

THE DEED IN THE PRIOR PARAGRAPH IS THE SECOND-TO-LAST KNOWN

DOCUMENTATION I HAVE THAT COLONEL WILLIAM HORN WAS STILL ALIVE. (3

Feb 1999, RGH). (The last known documentation, described in detail below, is

the March 1797 Wayne County Deed, which the Colonel apparently was named

and which he witnessed. [vide infra]).

For a considerable time, until the summer of 2010, I had been

unable to any documentation of the continued life or of the death

of Colonel William.

(Most or all of the following discussion was formulated while attempting to

determine what had been the fate of Colonel William after March of 1797.

Near the end of this essay, I will provide convincing evidence bearing on the

answer to that question.)

1800, 1 January: Deed signed transferring 230 Acres in Montgomery county TN

to Josiah Horn, son of Colonel William. Proven in Court, April 1801, registered 8

July 1801. Although this property of Josiah, where he lived for the remaining

45 years of his life, is only about 20 miles from the Cumberland River property

deeded to his father in 1796 (see above), I have no indication that the

transactions are at all related, and there is, in fact, no indication that the

Colonel ever saw his Cumberland River property or had any interaction with his

son, Josiah, after the son's migration to Tennessee.

The following two transactions were thought initially to possibly

represent land purchases by Sarah Norfleet Hilliard Horn, the wife

of Col William, but that possibility was proved to be erroneous, as

is discussed in great detail in the NOTES to Sarah Norfleet Horn.

1799, 8 January: Deed signed transferring 50 acres on Whites Creek (TN) to

Sarah Horn. Davidson county court, 1800.

1802, 20 January: Deed signed transferring 14 acres on Whites Creek (TN) to

Sarah Horn. To Court in April Session 1803.

A study of events surrounding this other Sarah Horn, recounted in

detail in the Notes to Sarah Norfleet Horn, seems to clearly establish that

another Sarah Horn, the widow of Joel Horn, a brother of Colonel William,

brought her two young sons, Etheldred and Matthew, to Tennessee to locate

near her brothers, Joseph and Benjamin Philips. For this reason Sarah Philips

Horn purchased land on White's Creek, near the Joseph Philips property in 1800

and 1803. 2) And, on the other hand, considerable investigation of Davidson

county records in this period provide no evidence that Col William and Sarah

Horn ever got to Davidson County to see their Cumberland River property, and

furthermore, it seems if they did get here they probably did not stay very long.

WAS COL. WILLIAM HORN CITED AS DECEASED IN THE 1797 WILL

OF HIS FATHER, HENRY THE QUAKER?

The following excerpt of a letter describes my consideration of the

answer to the preceding question.

30 January, 1999

A distant cousin of ours, Charlene Sallee Sidwell, after looking at

my Home Page on the Web, pointed out to me that several of the

children of Henry the Quaker, named as if alive in his 1797 will, are

recorded as having died before 1797 in my listing of Henry's

descendants.

I had not noticed that paradox, but upon perusal the apparent

disconnect is quite obvious.

A listing of Henry's children, with dates of birth and death

follows:

1 Henry Horn b: November 21, 1716 d: 1798

...... 2 William Horn b: March 30, 1738 d: Bet. 1795 - 1800

...... 2 Esther Horn b: April 6, 1740 d: 1789

...... 2 Isaac Horn b: May 7, 1742 d: 1782

...... 2 Henry Horn, Jr. b: June 10, 1744 d: February 5, 1785

...... 2 Jacob Horn b: March 10, 1747/48 d: 1827

...... 2 Mourning Horn b: March 10, 1747/8 d: February 15, 1829

...... 2 Phebe Horn b: September 14, 1749 d: Unknown

...... 2 Joel Horn b: August 14, 1751 d: 1793

...... 2 Thomas Horn b: March 24, 1753 d: Abt. 1808

...... 2 Charity Horn b: November 19, 1755 d: Unknown

...... 2 Selah Horn b: February 13, 1758 d: Unknown

...... 2 Demaris Horn b: May 31, 1760 d: Unknown

...... 2 Jeremiah Horn b: November 1, 1763 d: Bet. 1809 – 1840

Reviewing this information has led me to some interesting speculation.

I would like you to consider this. The following appears to be the case:

Of the 13 Children of Henry the Quaker, the date of death of five is

unknown to me (William, Phebe, Charity, Selah, and Demaris).

Of the other eight children, the year of their death seems well

established. Of the eight, the following died well before the date of their

father's will:

Isaac, 1782, Henry, 1785, Esther, 1789, and Joel, 1793.

Given this fact, why would the following line be included in the will of

their father:

"ITEM I give and bequeath to my sons and daughters viz William,

Esther, Isaac, Henry, Joel, Charity, and Demaris the sum of five

shillings each."

[I have rechecked a photocopy of the original document and the

cited line is correctly transcribed above.]

It is well established that the following children died after the death of

their father:

Jacob, 1827, Mourning 1829, Thomas 1808, and Jeremiah, after

1809.

Of the children known to be dead before 1797, all four are listed in the

"five shilling" bequest above. The time of death of the other three children

listed in that line, William, Charity, and Demaris, is unknown. [Parenthetically,

the seven children listed in that line are named in the order of their birth.]

It is consistent with known facts that the seven children listed in the

"five shilling line" were all dead at the time Henry the Quaker wrote his 1797

Will, and that this bequest is essentially a symbolic tribute to their memories,

and possibly a clever mechanism to avoid a challenge to the Will by heirs of his

deceased children.

His other six children each received a significant bequest: 10 pounds

current money to each daughter, Mourning, Phebe, and Selah, and the

remainder of the estate equally to each of the surviving three sons, Jacob,

Thomas, and Jeremiah.

If this hypothesis of mine were true it would indicate that, in his final

days, Henry knew, or believed, that his oldest son, Colonel William, had

preceded him in death. Such a possibility would probably be both a

disappointment and a relief to many Horn genealogists who have continued to

look for some evidence as to what finally happened to the flamboyant and

redoubtable Colonel, and when, where, and how his career came to an end.

At the moment, the considerations discussed suggest to me it is likely

that Col William had died some time between 29 August 1796, when he

received the gift of 360 acres on the Cumberland River, near Nashville, TN, from

his friend, Lemuel Lawrence, and 30 March, 1797, when his father, Henry Horn,

signed his Will, listing his oldest son, William, among the dead.

In regard to and arguing against the above hypothesis, Gwen Horne

recalls that William Horn is named in a Nash County Deed in 1797, suggesting

he is alive at that time. An abstract of such a deed follows:

"Nash County Deed Book 6, p 268. Mar 8 1797. From Henry Horn of

Wayne Co to Thomas Horn of same. For 45 pounds Virginia money paid to

William Row, deceased, including the plantation whereon William Horn then

lived. Wit: Wm Horn, Jeremiah Horn, and Patience Horn."

A photocopy of the microfilm of the handwritten original document was

examined on 23 Feb 1999. The original documents states directly the

following: "... including the plantation whereon William Horn now lives."

Furthermore, according to the original document, William Horn not only

witnessed the signature by Henry Horn, but William also presented the

document in open court under Oath as proof (the date of "proof" in court does

not appear to be documented.

Henry Horn's Will was dated 22 days later, 30 March, 1797, in which his

son appears to be addressed as among the dead. Why?

Review of Nash Co Deed Abstracts reveals three additional references

to the same (almost certainly) piece of property. Two of those deeds record the

purchase of two additional adjacent tracts by Thomas in 1798. The more

significant is this:

1) Four weeks prior to the 8 March deed cited above, Henry Horn

deeded the property to this son Thomas. " Nash Co, DB6-233 Henry Horn of

Wayne Co to his son Thomas Horn of same. Feb 9 1797. For love and affection

that tract of land in Nash Co on the north side of Contentnea Creek beginning at

the upper end of the William Row old friend and near Cornelius Sanders' field.

Wit: William Row and James Broadstreet."

(Note: William Row dies between 9 Feb (see above) and 8 March

1797 (see next paragraphs.)

2) Four weeks later, they were back in court, now with Colonel

William, to execute the second deed, wherein the failing Henry Horn pays 45

pounds Virginia money to his son, Colonel William, undoubtedly that the

prodigal son William wanted, to clear any cloud to the claim of his son Thomas

to the property that William felt he was entitled to. The text is somewhat

cluttered, but I believe it is clear that this is the effect and intent of The 8 March

deed, the text of which follows:

" This Indenture made this Eighth day of March in the year one thousand

seven hundred & ninety-seven Between Henry Horn of Wayne County and State

of North Carolina, and Thomas Horn of the same place witnesseth that the said

Henry Horn for a consideration of the sum of Forth five pounds Virgina Currency

paid to William Horn doth acquit and Discharge the said Thomas Horn haith

given Granted Bargained & sold unto the said Thomas Horn all my wright to and

privilege in all the Lands formerly belonging to William Row Deceased with my

benefit thereunto belonging Including the plantation whereon William Horn

now lives To Have and To Hold the said land above Granted with Every

appurtenance thereto belonging to him the said Thomas Horn his Heirs and

assigns forever and I the said Henry Horn do for my self my Heirs Executors or

Administrators acquit all claim in said Land and do warrant & defend the title

thereof against the lawfull Claim of other person or persons whatsoever, in

anywise. In Witness whereof I do hereto set my hand with my seal this day and

year above written.

Signed and Acknowledged in the presence of Wm Horn and Jeremiah Horn.

Henry Horn S_E_A_L

The written Deed was in open Court duly proved by the Oath of Wm Horn

& Patience Horn and ordered to be registered.

Nash County ---lig & term 1797

The above documents seem to clearly establish that Col. William was

alive on 8 March 1797, while the fact remains that the Col's father, Henry the

Quaker refers in his will dated 30 March, 1797 to son William as if he were

dead.

Did Colonel William die shortly after 8 March 1797? Could the fact or

circumstances of his death been a particular stimulus to Henry to write his Will

and prepare for the settlement of his estate?

Or, on the other hand, did the redoubtable Colonel William Horn, on 8

March, 1797, tuck the 45 pounds Virginia currency in his purse, mount up, and

head west to see his property in Tennessee, on the Cumberland River, just

north of Nashville. The deed to this 360 acres was executed in Davidson county

court, just 10 days later, 18 March, 1797 (vide supra). Was the deed delivered

to the court by the Colonel himself? Was Henry the Quaker, the Colonel's ailing

and elderly father, so angered by the circumstances of his first son's departure,

that Henry referred to his son in his will, signed on 30 March, 1797, as if the son

were dead?

No clear trace remains of Colonel William Horn following these events

of March, 1797.

Although there are numerous references to several individuals with the name

"William Horn(e) " in the records of eastern NC in the 20 years or so after the

events of March, 1797, cited above. I have looked with reasonable care to see

if any of those citations appear to refer to Colonel William, and it seems that

most of the references are to other known men, often cousins of the Colonel,

and not to the Colonel himself. For example, several deeds naming "William

Horn of Nash County" appear to refer to a son of Thomas Horn and his wife,

Hannah, the uncertain paternity of whom (i. e., Thomas) is discussed elsewhere

in this tome. Several deeds naming "William Horn of Edgecombe County" in

this period appear to refer to either a son of Moses Horn and wife Mary, or

possibly "Willie", the son of Elijah Horn, Sr.

There are a number of land transactions involving a William Horn)e) of Johnston

County, and one of these even cites both a William and a Josiah, making it

tempting to conclude that this citation refers to the Colonel and his son Josiah.

However, this Johnston county transaction in 1802 occurs more than two years

after Josiah Horn and his family had moved hundreds of miles to west, to

Montgomery county, TN. It seems improbable, two years after Josiah had left

NC for good, that he would have bought 20 acres of NC land from his father. In

view of the more recent information regarding the time of death of Colonel

William (vide infra), it may be that this 1802 real estate record reflects an

action taken in regard to the settling of the estate of the Colonel.

Recorded events involving the wife/widow of the Colonel, and their

two sons establish their likely leaving North Carolina after 1800,

and possibly being in middle Tennesse, before residing in Georgia

and then Mississippi prior to the death of the last of the three, in

1840 in Mississippi.

In 1819, Sarah Horn, then in Greene County, Georgia, signed a Quit-Claim deed

in favor of David L. Horn, re 360 acres in northern Davidson County TN. Joseph

Phillips, husband of Milberry Horn (daughter of Col Wm. Horn), handled this

transaction as well as the sale of the property in 1820.

In 1820 David L. Horn of Greene County GA sold the Davidson

County property, his aunt Milberry,’s husband, Joseph Phillips

handling the legal proceedings for him.

1840: David L. Horn dies in Warren County, MS.

Interesting details surrounding the disposition of his property may be found in

notes to this David Lawrence Horn, available elsewhere, where there is

additional information about this man, his mother, and others of their

relatives. Similar discussion of this area is present near the end of these

Notes.

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The following note of 20 September, 2002, to Larry Horn, provides

a summary of my interpretation at that time of the likely fate of

Colonel William:

"Regarding the Colonel, I have the strong feeling that something

happened to the Colonel in 1797, following the events we have recently

discussed in which his father transferred property to Thomas and paid

off the Colonel to prevent his contesting the gift, in the Nash County

court action of 8 March, 1797.

Actually, we are lucky to have as much information as we do have in

regard to the Colonel at this time.

We know he had obtained the property in Tennessee, which he must

have intended to utilize, if we can imagine the conversations, the

planning for the future, in the summer of 1796, among the Colonel, his

wife, and his wife's mother and her husband, who would give the

property to the Colonel and his wife, for their two children's benefit.

I think Colonel William was planning to make an exploratory trip to

Tennessee to see the property and make plans to move there. He

managed to maneuver his father into giving him enough money, the 45

pounds, to make the trip and implement the relocation.The Colonel was

probably traveling with John Cryer, the individual who was both a

witness to the NC deed giving the Tennessee land to the Colonel's

family, as well as the man who registered the deed in the Tennessee

court on 18 March, 1797. Or perhaps he sent Cryer on ahead to register

the deed in Tennessee, while the Colonel managed a slower pace.

I can imagine the Colonel left NC for Tennessee after 8 March, 1797, and

that he never arrived there.

A thousand things are easily imagined that might have happened to a 60

year old man, traversing the four or five hundred miles across the

Appalachian mountains.

I think the reason his death is not documented is because no one was

sure he was dead, even then, and they were expecting, for a long while,

that he would ride up one day, with a bottle half full, and a lot of

wonderful tales to tell.

I suspect this is as close to the truth about the Colonel's end as I will ever

get.

Stay in touch. "

Bob Horn

As a consequence of two short trips to North Carolina in July of

2010, I obtained copies of about 375 pages of miscellaneous

notes on some of the Horn families of early NC collected by Hugh

B. Johnston, provided with the assistance of Sue Powell of Wilson

County, NC of the Wilson County Genealogical Society.

In these HBJ papers there is a 1/3 page carefully hand-written note, obviously

being a note written by someone who was examining court papers of Franklin

County, NC. The transcription of the note states the following: Franklin

County NC County Court mInutes of September, 1800, state that the Court

ordered Sally Horn (Sarah Norfleet Hilliard Horn) be appointed administratrix

of Wm. Horn, deceased, who entered bond in the sum of 100 pounds with

Wm Green, Jr her security.

The immediately following note from the HBJ papers, clearly written by the

same person, contains the following references: “Thomas Christmas of Warren

County NC)…, Mother-in-law: Sally Horn, and Wife: Mary Ann Christmas, and

Thomas Powers.”

From the above notes and correlated information obtained from

other sources, I am confident of the following conclusions:

1) Sally Horn is clearly Sarah Norfleet Hilliard Horn the fourth wife

of Col Wm.

2) Her oldest child by Hilliard, Elizabeth, married William Green Jr

in 1797 in Franklin County NC.

3) Her second child by Hilliard, Mary Ann, married Thomas

Christmas (III) of Warren County NC in 1801.

4) Thomas Powers of Warren County was married to a Christmas.

5) Franklin and Warren counties are adjacent, northeast of Raleigh.

6) The initial text of the note states explicitly that Wm Horn, clearly the husband

of Sally Hilliard Horn, was deceased, and that he had left property to be

allocated by a court supervised probate or administration. ( The use of the

term, administratrix, indicates the deceased Colonel William had not left a will,

which would administered by probate, rather than “administration”, according

to Stephen Bradley).

Given the above information, it seems obvious that by 1800 Sally Horn (Sarah

Norfleet Hilliard Horn) had relocated to Warren or Franklin county, presumably

as a consequence of the relationship of her daughters to William Green, a son-

in-law, and Thomas Christmas, a son-in-law to be. Whether she had relocated

there before or after the death of Colonel William is not clear.

Presumably this relocation of the Colonel and/or his wife and children, probably

not long before his death, contributed greatly to the difficulty in our learning

more about the fact and circumstances of his death. Gwen Horne had long

complained to me that she could not imagine why such a public figure as the

Colonel left no apparent record of his demise.

With this knowledge of the approximate time of the death of

Colonel William, it may be easier to interpret the actions of his

widow and their children in the following years.

It was long recognized that at times Sally and her daughters by

Hilliard and sons by Horn were located first in Georgia and then in

Mississippi.

It now becomes reasonable to consider that possibility that after the death of

the Colonel, probably in 1800, Sally and some of her family may have at least for

a time lived in Montgomery County TN, in or near where two younger brothers

of Sarah Norfleet, James and Cordell resided at that time. Such a happening

might explain how David Lawrence Horn, son of Sarah and the Colonel, and his

cousin, William B. Norfleet, son of Cordell, became closely acquainted.

These two men, near the same age, lived during their final years in

Mississippi, in Hinds and Warren counties, both were childless and

apparently unmarried, both wrote their wills and died in 1840, and

both left the bulk of their estates to Elizabeth Hilliard Green and

Mary Ann Hilliard Christmas, daughters of Sarah Norfleet Hilliard

Horn.

It is my intention to travel to NC again within the next few weeks

to visit Franklin and Warren counties and elsewhere as needed to

obtain more information regarding the circumstances of the death

of the Colonel, and to reconsider the events in the light of this new

information.

STATUS REPORT, 18 SEPTEMBER, 2010

THE FATE OF COLONEL WILLIAM HORN, 1738-1800

In early September of 2010 I made a quick trip to North Carolina. I will mention a few

highlights. I drove all day Tuesday, and went to the State Archives on Wednesday morning.

In a short time I was able to see the original documents from the Franklin County Court

Minutes wherein the fact of the death of Colonel William Horn shortly before September of

1800 was documented. The Court minutes document the appointment of his widow, Sarah

(Sally) Norfleet Hilliard Horn as administratrix of his estate, and give her the authority to

dispose of his “Perishable Estate”.

There are two consecutive Court actions on Sept 8, the first appointing Sally Horn the

adminstratrix of estate of Wm Horn, dec’d, and the second giving 6 months to dispose of the

“perishable assets”. These two court actions seem to synchronize with the two notations

from the Franklin County Will book A, by Stephen Bradley, noting the Inventory and Sale of

William Horn, dec’d.

Stephen Bradley astutely points out in a general reference that, “probate” is the process of

effecting the terms of a will, while the term, “administration”, is used to define the court-

directed action of settling the estate in the absence of a will. Therefore, the Franklin county

Court action of 8 September, 1800, in appointing Sally Horn the administratrix of the Colonel’s

estate, indicates that Colonel William died intestate. Correspondingly, I find no record of a

Will for Colonel Williams in the NC State Archives.

What, if anything, can we infer about the death of Colonel William, apparently shortly before

September of 1800?

In the late 1790’s the Colonel was apparently a vigorous young man in his early sixties, with

two young sons by his fourth wife. Only a couple of years earlier, in 1796, the Colonel and

Sarah had been given a large tract of land on the Cumberland river, just north of Nashville, a

gift from Sarah’s stepfather. I can only imagine the family foresaw a bright future across the

mountains in Tennessee. The Colonel’s daughter, Milberry, married to the well-to-do Joseph

Phillips, had recently moved from NC to the Nashville area, and they had a large property and

accommodations just east of Nashville. The Colonel’s son, Josiah, would come to

Montgomery county in late 1799 and purchase land on the Cumberland River on 1 January,

1800, along with his family and others, Including his aunt, Mourning, the Colonel’s young

sister and her family.

(Parenthetically, the fact that we have noted before, that Col William’s son David became

very close to William Battle Norfleet, raises the interesting question of where David Horn

and William B. Norfleet became acquainted. The two were about the same age. They both

lived in Mississippi, near each other, and they each wrote wills and died in 1840, both

leaving the bulk of their estates to the descendants of Sarah Norfleet Horn’s daughters.

Strange, is it not? William B Norfleet was the son of Cordall Norfleet, a close friend and

compatriot of Colonel William. Cordall moved from NC to Montgomery County TN in 1798,

when both William B. Norfleet and David L. Horn were less than 10 years old. Is it possible

that the young David Horn came to Tennessee with the Norfleets, perhaps even Sarah and

her other young son, living with or in proximity to Cordall Norfleet, prior to the young men’s

later moving south and ending up in Mississippi with Sarah Norfleet and her two daughters

and their families.)

Unfortunately, it seems, the Colonel never apparently arrived in Tennessee, if

he ever started.   

The Colonel and his family received the gift of land in Tennessee in 1796.   In

1797, in March, he was involved in a legal dispute in a Nash County court, in

which the ownership of a property was in dispute among the Colonel, a

brother, and their father.   At the same time a friend of the Colonel had

traveled to Tennessee and registered the deed to the Colonel’s property in

Davidson County, TN.

I am aware of no documentation of the presence or existence of the Colonel

between March of 1797 and the reference to his death in the Franklin county

NC courts records in September of 1800.

I speculate that the Colonel, possibly even with his family, started on the trek

to Tennessee, and I further speculate that he may have died during the course

of that journey.     His wife’s presence is Franklin County, NC in 1800 is

probably related to the fact that, of her two grown young daughters by

Hilliard, one was married to William Green, Jr, and the other would shortly

thereafter marry Thomas Christmas, both citizens of Franklin County at the

time of the execution of the court document in September of 1800.   Perhaps

after the Colonel died or disappeared, Sarah Horn, the young widow, moved to

Franklin County in relation to her daughter’s interests there.

Larry Horn asks: “So you think that the Colonel and Sally after marriage just lived in

Northampton County, and that she went to Franklin after his death? If so, then the l800

Franklin document naming her administratrix of his estate would be referring to his

holdings in Northampton County, or elsewhere? Could one county decree in that way

about property in another county?

To which I answered Larry:  “All good questions.   I have no answers.  It is not

clear to me what property Col Wm owned at the time of his death.    The land

in TN was actually gifted to the two sons of Wm and Sally, with the assignment

of a “life estate” to the parents. It is possible Sally was trying to be sure she

had a clear title to the Tennessee property, and perhaps other tracts or items.

Sally must have known the Colonel often found himself in litigious situations.  

Surely he must have at least occasionally been at some fault in his business

arrangements or dealings.   Recall the unseemly situation in court with his

father and brother Thomas in Feb/March of 1797.   Of course, also with issues

over Hilliard property at around the time of his marriage to the widow Hilliard.

It seems to me that the following is where we stand now regarding the fate of

Colonel William.

Col. Wm. died sometime before Sept of 1800 when Sarah, his wife was

apparently living in Franklin County with or in proximity to her two grown

daughters.  Her two sons, William Norfleet Horn, age 7 and David Lawrence

Horn, age 5, were living with her.

I do not know where the Colonel and Sarah lived after their marriage in about

1789, apparently in Northampton County.  

We know that in August of 1796, Sarah’s stepfather gave the family the 360

acre property in Davidson County, Tennessee and directly or indirectly, the

Colonel sent his friend John Cryer to Tennessee where Cryer registered the deed

on the property of the Colonel and Sarah, in the Tennessee court on 18 March,

1797.

I cannot at the moment recall knowing anything else specific about the

Colonel’s whereabouts, until the controversial episode of February/March 1797

involving his father, Henry and brother, Thomas, over real property issues and

money.

I believe we still have no evidence of any action or identification of a living

Colonel William after March of 1797.

You will recall the perhaps interesting observation which I have discussed

perhaps excessively, where the text of Henry the Quaker’s will can be

interpreted to refer to his son, Colonel William, by implication, as being dead, in

the Will Henry signed on 30 March, 1797.

Is it possible that Colonel William died, by fair means or foul, in mid-March of

1797, leaving his widow Sarah and their two young sons to fend for themselves

without a husband and father.    By this time John Cryer must have been long

gone toward Tennessee, where he arrived on or before 18 March, 1797.

Or, perhaps Colonel William, angered by the dealings with his father and

brother, impulsively decided to depart for Tennessee with the 45 pounds,

promising to lay the ground work for a planned move to Tennessee, and leaving

his wife and two young ones to adjourn to Franklin county where Sarah’s twp

daughters might help them sustain themselves until he returned.    (In this

scenario, we might imagine Henry rhetorically disowned his son, William, thus

referring to him in his will as in the “past tense”.)

It is not hard for me to imagine that an impulsive and somewhat irresponsible

60 year old man could meet his fate on such a journey, five or six hundred

miles through the wilderness.

It might well have taken two years or more for Sarah to learn of what might have

happened to him, or to come to the conclusion that he was not going to return,

as planned.

Whatever specific fate finally befell him, it must be acknowledged that, in spite

of flamboyant and possibly heroic marital efforts, resulted only the survival of a

single son who would maintain his paternal line. His first son, Nathan died in

infancy, along with his mother. Of Sally’s two sons, William apparently died

prematurely and David Lawrence died childless in Mississippi in 1840.

Nevertheless, Josiah Horn, 1766-1845, who seems almost certainly* to be a son

of Colonel William, even if the documentation is poor, provided sufficient sons

and grandsons to carry the Horn name across the mountains to Tennessee, to

begat fruitfully and well, sending sons and daughters in abundance to the South

and West, even unto today.

Bob Horn

18 September, 2010

*(Perhaps it might well be acknowledged here that, even if it were unlikely but

true that Josiah was not the son of Colonel William, he is certainly a lineal

descendant of Henry the Quaker. Available yDNA evidence from a number of

Horn descendants of Josiah and Henry the Quaker establishes with near

absolute certainty that Henry the Quaker is a common ancestor of these Horns.

Thus, if Josiah Horn is not the son of Colonel William, as seems most likely, he

is the son of another son of Henry the Quaker, his grandfather. See further

discussion under the Notes to Josiah Horn of Blooming Grove.)

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2 Thomas Horn b: 17 Mar 1788 in North Carolina d: 01 Nov 1867 in Missouri+Elizabeth Hunt b: 06 Apr 1797 d: 03 Jun 1838 in Missouri

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+Mary Morris b: 07 May 1793 in North Carolina d: 19 Aug 1869 in Montgomery County,TN

2 Winifred Horn b: Abt. 1800 d: 1845 in Howard County, Missouri+Obadiah Jr. Tindall b: in Virginia d: 1828 in Howard County, Missouri

2 Cordell H. Horn b: 16 Sep 1800 in Nash County NC d: 18 Aug 1882 in MontgomeryCounty, TN

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Notes on Josiah Horn of Blooming Grove

"Josiah Horn, born to Col. William Horn and his wife, Mary Thomas, August

6,1766." 

 The above date of birth and parentage is frequently cited by careful students of this

family and the stated facts do not seem controversial, but I am aware of no precise

documentation of these facts.  For example, the births of the first two children of

Col Wm and Mary T. Horn are listed in Williams and Griffin, Bible Records of Early

Edgecombe, citing the files of Hugh B. Johnston, but neither Josiah nor the later

wives and children of the Colonel are listed there.

 The above date of birth is engraved on Josiah's tombstone (Photograph available) in

the cemetary at Blooming Grove Church, so this date seems to have been in no

doubt.  Clear documentation of his parentage is lacking, however, and any

conclusion requires some inferences.

 Josiah was clearly a grandson of Henry "the Quaker" Horn and Ann Purcell.  He

received a bequest in the 1797 will of his grandfather, Henry "the Quaker" Horn,

namely: "ITEM I give & bequeath to my Grandson Josiah Horn, all my wright in the

Lands on the North side of Tarriver and above Kirby's Creek whereon he now lives to

him & his heirs forever."

The Kirby's creek property which Henry mentions in the bequest to his

grandson Josiah in his will is probably the 200 acres which Henry had bought from

Thomas Kirby in 1752  and then sold to his son Wm in 1761 "on the north side of

Tar river, joining Stoney Creek", property sold by Col William to his Josiah in 1791. 

Henry's peculiar phraseology in the will, ie, "all my wright in the Lands on the North

side of Tarriver", probably reflects that there was some question of ownership of this

property, a circumstance which often afflicted Colonel William's assets. (See further

discussion of this issue below.)

(Henry and Ann Horn had a second grandson named Josiah, i. e., Josiah

Robert, son of Jacob, but his age (born 1797) essentially precludes the possibility

that Josiah Robert was the recipient of the bequest in Henry's 1797 will.)

 Indication that this Josiah Horn, born 1766, is the son of Col. William Horn and Mary

Thomas is suggested by numerous real estate transactions which tend to link these

individuals.  Cited in the abstracts of Early deeds of Nash County, NC, 1778-1813,

by Joseph Watson, in 1780 and 1782 there are transactions by William Horn,

witnessed by Josiah Horn and Milbrie Horn, linking these three rather convincingly. 

William would be about 42, now married to Sarah Granberry, Mary Thomas having

died a few years earlier, and Josiah would be about 15.  

[In 1762, the first year of their marriage, William Horn and Mary Thomas sold to

Thomas Whitfield 260 acres on Pigbasket Creek, property which had been a grant to

Joseph Thomas, Mary's father, and "Said Mary relinquished right of

dower" (Edgecombe county deed book B, p530(603).  Additional property on

Pigbasket Creek, 100 acres,  was sold by the Colonel in 1780, in a transaction (Nash

Book 1, p 241) witnessed by Josiah Horn and "Melbry" Horn.  It seems likely that this

was residual property which had been part of the dower of Mary Thomas, mother of

Josiah and Milberry.  Citing this 1780 transaction, Gwen B. Horn, a very

knowledgable student of this Horn family, commented to me in December, 1997:  "

How much documentary evidence do you need? ... Josiah is Col. Wm's son.  In this

1780 NC deed Josiah, Milberry and and unidentified Joel witness  the Col's sale of

Mary Thomas's Pig Basket Creek inheritance. Clearly Mary died intestate and Josiah

and Milberry had some sort of claim.  I say clearly Mary died intestate, for I have

searched for her will for 40 years."]

 Josiah Horn witnessed the sale of property by Col. William in 1782 (Nash  Deed Book

1, p 194) and in 1786 (Edgecombe Deed Book E, p 105(514), indicating that the

father and son were in contact and on good terms at this time.  

 By 1788 Col William was no longer married to Sarah Granberry, and he married the

fourth time, to Sarah Norfleet Hilliard, in 1790-1792.  At the time of her marriage to

the Colonel, Sarah was recently widowed by the death of her husband, Elias

Hilliard.   Considerable legal controversy involving the Colonel and his wife and the

estate of her late husband, Elias Hilliard, ensued, as reflected in subsequent real

estate transactions and other legal documents.

 According to the 1790 NC census, listed in the Halifax district of Nash County,

Josiah Horn was listed as head-of-household, with the following enumeration:  Free

WM >15, 1, presumably Josiah; Free WM <16, 1; free W F, 3, Slaves, 5, none other

listed."  [This 1790 census material may be found in the Ray Horn book, p146, p464,

and in papers received from Bill Horn].

 In January, 1791 the Colonel sold 200 acres to his son Josiah, land "lying in both

Nash and Edgecomb counties, beginning at the mouth of Kirby's creek"  (Nash Deed

Book 4, p 65).  It seems possible, in view of the controversy about to develop, that

this sale might have been made to protect it from the Colonel's creditors.  Along this

line of reasoning, I believe it is possible that this is the same property bequeathed to

Josiah in his grandfather's 1797 will, noted above, considering the likelihood that

Colonel William did not clearly own the Kirby creek 200 acres when he "sold" it to his

son, and speculating that the grandfather Henry's gift of Kirby creek land to Josiah

may have been an attempt  of the grandfather to correct a wrong perpetrated by his

son, the Colonel, on the Colonel's son, Josiah.  [The somewhat peculiar phraseology

used by Henry the Quaker, "... I bequeath all my wright in the Lands whereon he

(grandson Josiah) now lives" seems to me to support this notion of the justification

for the bequest.]   This scenario is entirely speculative, but to me it has the ring of

credibility, given the general impressions that the Colonel was at least occasionally

inclined to somewhat nefarious deals.

 In September, 1791, by order of the Sheriff of Nash County, pursuant to a court

order obtained by the administrator of the estate of Elias Hilliard (the Colonel's wife's

first husband), 200 acres on the north side of the Tar River belonging to William

Horn was sold for 50 pounds and 1 shilling (Nash Deed Book 4, p 119); this tract

was apparently near to but not the same property sold to Josiah in January of 1791. 

Under apparently similar circumstances, in April of 1792, Josiah purchased a tract of

185 acres  (Nash Deed Book 4, p 148)  "sold by Wm. Arrington, Sheriff, on Aug 10,

1791, by virtue of an execution obtained by ... the administrator of Elias Hilliard,

against William Horne".    

 The above happenings and others documented in Nash County records seem to

indicate that the Colonel's financial affairs were in serious disorder, in difficulties

which must have arisen in relation to his marriage to the recently widowed Sarah

Norfleet Hilliard.   The real estate transactions involving Josiah suggest to me that

Josiah was probably trying to help his father, the Colonel, extricate himself from his

presumably self-inflicted wounds. 

 In the next several years Josiah Horn bought several additional properties in Nash

County, in no apparent connection with his father.  In 1792 Josiah purchased "..320

acres (Nash Deed Book 4, p 190) on the Great or Bloomery Swamp adjoining (1)

Benjamin Bunn (possibly the brother of Josiah's wife, see below) and (2) Joseph

Phillips (the husband of his sister, Milberry).  [Within a few years, the families of both

Josiah and his sister Milberry would move to middle Tennessee, in Montgomery and

Davidson counties respectively, but there is no evidence that they interacted after

the migration westward, to the Cumberland River Valley of Tennessee.]  In 1794

Josiah purchased another 22 acres on Kirby's creek along with  another nearby 14

acres  (Nash Deed Book 6, p 8 and p18).

 In Nash County records of 1796, Josiah Horn is bonded at 46 pounds ".. to keep a

passable bridge across Stony Creek at the lower road ..", witnesses include Benjamin

Bunn (from Ray Horn book, p 122).

 Josiah's accumulation of property during this period, his late twenties, seem to

indicate substantial material success, presumably in farming or other rural

commerce.  Presumably he was also active in religious affairs, since in less than a

decade he would become the founding minister of a Baptist church in Tennessee.

 Shortly after the death of his grandfather, Henry "the Quaker" Horn, in 1797 (his will

signed March 30, 1797, probated in April Court, 1798, Wayne County), Josiah sold "a

tract of 150 acres on Tar River and Kirby's creek", presumably the property

bequeathed to him by his grandfather.  I assume he sold other properties which he

had acquired, listed above, although I have not identified recorded deeds describing

the sale of those additional properties.

Josiah then purchased property in Tennessee and relocated there.

[ From TN State Library/Archives, Montgomery County Deeds, 1796-1800, p394

(Microfilm). Josiah Horn purchases property from Robert Prince. "This indenture

made 10th day of January, 1800....sum of $400... 230 acres...Montgomery County

Tennessee...on the waters of the Blooming Grove Creek joining the lands of William

Weathersby, it being part of John McKey(?) preemption of his 640 acres granted to

said McKey by patent, bearing the date the 10th day of July, 1778 and by him

conveyed to Robert Prince by conveyance bearing the date 15 October 1799...

Witnesses: Robert Nelson, Jesse Nelson"]

In 1841, four years before his death, Josiah Sr divided and deeded his property,

apparently the 230 acres on Blooming Grove Creek, part to Josiah Jr, and part to

Cordal H.   See the Notes to these two men for more on the location and disposition

of this property.

 Apparently Josiah was married in the period of 1790-1792, although there is no

known record of his marriage date, and it has, in fact, been difficult to establish a

clear identification of the name and origins of his wife, Elizabeth.

 According to the Ray Horn book Josiah was guardian to Howell Horn, son of Josiah's

uncle, Joel (d 1793) from 1793 to 1798, indicating that Josiah was probably married

before 1793.

 A number of family researchers who have studied this family have stated that

Josiah's wife was Elizabeth Bunn, born September 18, 1765 in North Carolina.  While

I was unable to locate any primary documentation of the source of either her

surname or date of birth, I had no substantial reason to doubt the validity of her

reported indentification.  The most complete documentation of the Bunn family of

North Carolina that I have encountered is in World Family Tree CD 19, #266,

prepared and contributed by Deborah C. Harbuck of Georgia.  An apparently

expanded listing of this family tree is available on the Rootsweb World Connect

project under the GEDCOM name, "mrsharbuck".

 Based on the work of Larry Horn in early 2002, I am convinced that Josiah Horn's

wife was not Elizabeth Bunn, and I have removed her from this Family File as Josiah's

spouse.  However, in order to preserve the information pertinent to this woman, in

prior considerations of her possible relationship to Josiah, I have included her in this

FTM file, unconnected to any Horn, and I have retained abundant information about

her in the FTM file.

 Also included in the Notes to Elizabeth Bunn is Larry Horn's essay supporting the

conclusion that the earlier presumed relationship was in error.         

 On 21 December, 1804, William Curl, [son of Wilson Curl (spouse of Mourning Horn,

Josiah's Aunt)], now of Stewart County, TN, sold 144 acres, a tract lying on the west

side of Blooming Grove (creek) on Pain's Branch, running north on William

Weathersby's line.  Josiah Horn lived on Blooming Grove Creek, also adjoining Wm

Weathersby, from 1800 until his death.  On the same date on which Josiah Horn

purchased from Robert Prince his 230 acres on Blooming Grove Creek, ie, 16

January, 1800, Prince also sold to "Edward More" a 150 acre tract "on the waters of

Blooming Grove Creek".   HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS:   Sarah Curl, daughter of Wilson

Curl and Mourning Horn, see above, married an Edward Moore, and it appears that

after Wilson Curl's death in about 1802, the widow Mourning Horn moved south to

Maury County Tn with her dtr Sarah and Edward Moore, then southward later to

Tuscaloosa AL.        (See Notes to Wilson Curl, for elaboration.)

 It may be of interest to note that in June 1805 William Curl is recorded as a buyer at

the estate sale of Thomas Tire, Will Book A, p 268.  Five pages later, p 273, Josiah

Horn posts a guardian bond as Guardian of Mary Tire, heir of Thomas Tire,

deceased.  I believe the Tire family is also called Tyree, and that two of the

Tire/Tyree young ladies, married two of Josiah grandsons several years later.

 Thus the Bunn's and the Curl's and the Horn's maintained some proximity in

Tennessee as they had done in NC, but it now appears almost certain that Josiah's

wife, Elizabeth, was not related to either the Bunn or Curl families.

Two of the children of Josiah Horn which are listed above, Thomas and Winifred,

were not recorded in the records and resources which were initially available to me,

but subsequent strong circumstantial evidence indicates that such children may have

existed. 

Two entirely independent sources have described remarkably similar stories, in

which an apparently undocumented child of Josiah and Elizabeth was with them in

Tennessee in the early 1800's, each subsequently relocating to Missouri, and each

having assigned names to their children strongly supporting a relationship to Josiah

Horn, who had given a son the quite unusual name of Cordell/Cordal/Cordial or a

similar name, after his friend, Cordall Norfleet.

Exploration of the relationship of Thomas and Winifred to old Josiah led Larry Horn

to the conclusion that Josiah's wife was Elizabeth Hunter and provided much

additional support to the conclusion that Josiah and his wife had several additional

children, not appreciated by most early students of this family.

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The emerging evidence that Josiah and Elizabeth may have assisted with brought

some "adopted" children with them to Tennessee in 1800, assumed some possible

significance in trying to account for the parentage of a well know figure, Elisha

Thomas Horn, the patriarch of a large number of interesting and successful

descendants.

Concern with this question was brought to my attention by my rich and productive

acquaintance with Gwen Battle Horne, of Santa Fe, New Mexico, a fascinating and

well documented descendant of "ETH", who had spent much effort over many years

looking for an answer to that riddle.                                    

In speculating who might have been the father of Elisha Thomas Horn, born 1800 in

NC, etc, I considered the possibility that ETH might have been an illegitimate child of

one of  Joel's orphaned daughters.  They would have been 14 and 12 years old in

1800.  Milbrie, the older, seems to have disappeared from the record.

A Jacob Horn appears on the 1811 Davidson County Tax List, but I have no other

record of Jacob Horn in Tenn.  Possibly Jacob came to Tenn with his second wife for

a few years and then returned to Edgecomb where his will was probated in

1826/27.   Consider the possibility that Jacob was the father of ETH, by one of Joel's

daughters, ?Milbrie, and that they (or some of them) were in Tennessee in regard to

ETH and his possibly living with Josiah, Mourning Curl, etc, prior to his appearance

in Alabama.]

Consider that Josiah and Elizabeth and/or Mourning and Wilson Curl and/or Sarah

Curl and Edward Moore undertook the care of the foundling infant, taking it with

them to Tennessee when they went there in 1800.  See Above in these Notes to

Josiah Horn and the essay speculating on the possible relationship of ETH to Colonel

William.   See Notes to Jacob Horn.

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1. REVEREND HENRY8 HORN (JOSIAH

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WILLIAM4, THOMAS

3, THOMAS2, HENRY OR RICHARD

1) was born 22 Aug

1793 in Nash CountyNorth Carolina1, and died 21 Feb 1866 inMontgomery County, Tenn. He married MARY MORRIS 30 Sep 1813 inTennessee, daughter of NATHAN MORRIS and LOUISA. She was born 07

May 1793 in North Carolina2, and died 19 Aug 1869 in MontgomeryCounty, Tennessee.

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Notes for REVEREND HENRY HORN:In 1824 Henry purchased 640 acres on Marshall Creek, just a couple ofmiles downriver from Blooming Grove Creek. Deeds obtained fromDivision of Archives, Montgomery County, Clarksville. It appears thatHenry lived on this property for the remainder of his life.

The general area where this property is located is easily identified fromcurrent maps.

In the 1878 map of Montgomery County, readily available in MontgomeryCounty and Tennessee state archives, naming selected property ownerson the map (including Henry's younger brother, C H Horn, it is noteworthyto some that in the same area, west of Marshall Creek (named HowardFork on this map), a T M Reynolds is named. This is undoubtedlyThomas Mack Reynolds.

My grandparents, Emmaline Reynolds and Robert Lee Horn weregrandchildren of Henry Horn and Thomas Mack Reynolds. Propinquintycounts!

He followed in his father's footsteps as pastor of Blooming Grovechurch. Buried in churchyard cemetary alongside his wife. Photographsabove.

The following note of 6 April, 2002, is excerpted from a letter to LarryHorn, of Fayetteville, Arkansas.:

"Henry died in 1866, having lived through what must have been agenerally very happy and prosperous earlier life prior to the civil war, but Iam sure things were very difficult in his final years. I can imagine he musthave thought that his and his friends' attempts to make a new life on thefrontier had ended in catastrophe and perhaps hopelessness.

I do not know how his estate was disposed of. As far as I can recall, Ihave not seen a will for Henry, son of Josiah.

By the time of Henry's death in 1866, Josiah, Thomas, and Henry werelong gone to Arkansas. Columbus was killed in the war. Cordial andJames Robert had long since gone to Louisiana, and we more or lessknow about them, from my lucky finds about their marriage to the Stanleysisters, Cordial's early death, and Robert's long life as a "countrydoctor". I wish I knew how Robert got his "medical training". (I am veryproud of discovering about Cordial and Robert.)

That left William D., Charles F. M. and Cornelius David still in or aroundMontgomery County when their father died.

These three young men chose to try to survive "at home", or nearby, inthe post Civil War economy

In the 1870 census, William D. was still in Montgomery County, with hisfamily. I do not know what happened to them.

Cornelius lived and died in Stewart County, to the west of MontgomeryCounty, and downriver from "Blooming Grove".

Charles F M and his two sons lived in this area and across the state linein Christian County, KY.

I can imagine that when Henry died in 1866, apparently intestate, histhree sons that remained in the vicinity managed to allocate his propertyamong themselves, without particular generosity toward the olderbrothers who had gone off to Arkansas. This is a pretty typical approachto estate settlement, is it not?

There probably was not too much left to fight over or negotiate for, in1866."

And continuing shortly thereafter:

"Hey, Larry,

Just writing this, I have made a discovery, looking over my censusrecords and related information.

In the 1870 census of the 9th district of Montgomery County, TN, thefollowing is noted.

Dwelling #174 is T. Reynolds and family. This is Thomas MackReynolds, the grandfather of my grandmother, Emmaline Reynolds. Iknow from an 1878 map of Montgomery County, that this Reynolds familylived on Marshall Creek/Howard Fork, just west of Blooming GroveCreek. This is the same "hollow" where Henry Horn lived from 1824 tohis death in 1866.

In the 1870 census, C. M. Horn (Charles Marion) and his family (includingmy then 10 year old grandfather, Robert Lee Horn), lived in dwelling#180, and William Horn, definitely William D. Horn, and his wife and fivechildren, lived in dwelling #182. ( A black female named Marshall, age of20 with a one year old child occupied dwelling # 181).

By combining the facts in the above two paragraphs, I will bet it is almostcertain that C. M. and William D. lived on the property that had belongedto their father, prior to his death in 1866. It would certainly be interestingto know who was the father of the one year old black child namedMarshall.

Children of HENRY HORN and MARY MORRIS are:

i. JOSIAH MARTIN9 HORN, b. 04 Nov 1816,

Montgomery County, TN3; d. 03 Jul 1898, Baxter County,Arkansas; m. MARY JANE TYRE, 26 Nov 1843, MontgomeryCounty, TN4; b. Abt. 1822, Montgomery County, TN; d. 16 Apr

1888, Baxter County, Arkansas5.

Notes for JOSIAH MARTIN HORN:Note from Larry Horn, 12,2000: " I notice that you still haveJosiah Martin and Mary Jane Tyre Horn's  first two children listedas having been born in Tennessee. Everything I have seen says thathis first child, Sarah, was born in Arkansas. And I know that hissecond child, my grandfather John David, was born inIndependence County, AR in l849."

Notes for MARY JANE TYRE:See notes to her father, Richard Tyree.

ii. SARAH T. HORN, b. 31 Jul 1819, Montgomery

County, TN6; d. 07 Feb 1841, Montgomery County, TN.iii. THOMAS HUNTER HORN, b. 28 Aug 1821,

Montgomery County, TN6; d. 11 Jul 1910, Mountain Home,

Baxter, Arkansas, USA7; m. TABITHA ELIZABETH TYRE, 25 Feb

1847, Montgomery, Tennessee, USA8; b. 1825, Tennessee; d.Arkansas.

iv. WILLIAM D. HORN, b. 28 Oct 1823, Montgomery

County, TN9; m. C. E. SMYTHE, 30 Oct 185610.

Notes for WILLIAM D. HORN:In 1870 TN census, Wm. Horn, 46 MW, lives nearby and betweenCharles Marion Horn, 39 MW, and (Cornelius) David Horn, 30MW. Surely this is William D., the fourth child of Henry and MaryHorn. Children entered here are from that 1870 Census.

v. HENRY S. HORN, b. 20 Oct 1825, Montgomery

County, TN; d. 15 Sep 1894, Arkansas10; m. MARY JANE

MEACHUM, 30 Oct 1851, Independence, Arkansas11.

Notes for HENRY S. HORN:According to David Sallee papers, he lived in Sharpe county,Arkansas.

On 25 August, 2002, I received the following correspondence froma descendant of this Henry Horn, as follows, providing informationwhich appears to be highly credible:

"Dear Dr. Bob,

I've followed the updated information about the Horn family as Isearched for additional information about my great grandfather,Henry S. Horn. The information I've found has not shown up inyour great compilation.

Henry S. Horn moved to Arkansas after the 1840 Federal Censusto Hickory Valley, Independence County, Arkansas with JosiahHorn and Mary Jane Tyer Horn. I was unable to determine if Josiahwas his brother or uncle with the 10 year age difference but found anote in my mother's handwriting indicating my grandfather had an"Uncle Joe" that moved to Arkansas with Henry S. Horn, thereforeI've proceeded as if that is accurate until I can actually prove it. I'vealso found indications of a Thomas Horn in the same general area.(Izard, Independence Counties) The family lived in Hickory Valley,Barren Township, Independence County, Arkansas. Later I foundevidence of Josiah, age 33) from TN in Izard County in the 1850Federal Census listing Mary Jane Tyer as his wife, with childrenSarah A. E., John D.E. and Henry S. Horn (age 24).

Further, I located Henry's wife. She was Mary Jane Meachum (yourhave her listed as Miacham) the daughter of James Meachum ( whowas married to Mary Allen) both from Montgomery County, TN.He arrived in Arkansas after the 1810 census in TN but by 1812

because his two sons were listed in Goodspeed's History ofNortheast Arkansas as good horsemen from Hickory Valley. SinceArkansas became a state in 1836, they were certainly pioneersettlers.

Two summers ago, I went to Batesville, AR (very close to HickoryValley) and located the family cemetery from Independence CountyCemeteries Index in the library there. It's the Meachum cemetery.Henry S. and Mary Jane are buried there as are two baby sons whodied in infancy with James and Mary Meachum there, too. It is offthe road, through several fields, and difficult to find but very closeto the area watertower on the left side of Hwy. 63 driving north.

Henry S. and Mary Jane had five listed children in the variousfederal census reports and I have found the birthdates of only mygrandfather. They were: William Thornberry, ChristopherColumbus, Barsheeba L. Horn, James M., and Elizabeth L.. Theylived north of the current town of Cave City, Sharp County, AR.

My grandfather, William Thornberry, was born in Nov. 1862 andmarried Flora Belle Ball in 1886. Their offspring were Lola Belle(July 1891), Henry Albartus ( July 1893), Clinton Van Buren (Feb.19, 1899 or 1900), George Buford (July 7, 1903), and JamesConway (May 17, 1907).

The area of Arkansas where they lived was very divided during theCivil War. My grandmother was born in Southern Illinois where herfamily fled during that time. (One of her Ball uncles was hung as aspy during the Civil War and that would have made a family flee ifanything would.) I've found no evidence that Henry S. left the areaduring the conflict.

My grandfather, William Thornberry, lived next to the cave whichthe town is named for in Cave City. It has a subterranean riverwith Indian remains in it when my father played in that cave.William Thornberry Horn gave the land for the schools in CaveCity to the town. (The date of that gift is an unchecked item forme.)

William moved his family the Hardy, Independence County,Arkansas and was the County Judge for many years.

My father was Clinton Van Buren Horn.

My search will continue and I will send additional informationwhen I find it. The Arkansas Genealogical Association has justpublished a CD of Arkansas births before official records were keptand I hope to find more information about the Horn's in thatresource.

Please call or E-mail me if you have questions.

Sincerely,

Anne Horn Crow3805 D Abbott Martin RoadNashville, TN463-7851

Unrelated to the above correspondence, I learned on 4 March,2006, from information posted on the FamilyTreeDNA Hornsurname family page and related associations, that Bryan ClintonHorn, b 1945, and a nephew of Ann Horn Crow, above, 1) is adirect lineal male descendant of this Henry S, Horn, and 2) mostsatisfying and significant, that Bryan Clinton Horn has a 12/12yDNA match with me, Robert G. Horn, and with Ethelred P.Horn, V, essentially proving that the three of us are all direct linealmale descendants of Henry Horn, the Quaker, 1716 - 1798.

The inescapable inference of the above observation is that all directlineal male descendants of Henry the Quaker Horn should haveidentical or highly similar yDNA markers to that of the three of us.

Further implications of this finding will be discussed elsewhere.

My correspondence with Bryan Clinton Horn on this date islocated in the Notes to Bryan, in this FTM family file.

Robert G. Horn, 4 May, 2006.

Notes for MARY JANE MEACHUM:For elaboration of the source of the following paragraph, andcorollary information, see Notes to her spouse:

"Henry's wife ... was Mary Jane Meachum, the daughter of JamesMeachum ( who was married to Mary Allen) both fromMontgomery County, TN. He arrived in Arkansas after the 1810census in TN but by 1812 because his two sons were listed inGoodspeed's History of Northeast Arkansas as good horsemenfrom Hickory Valley. Since Arkansas became a state in 1836, theywere certainly pioneer settlers."

vi. CORDIAL N. HORN, b. 25 Sep 1827, Montgomery

County, TN; d. 22 Jan 1865, DeSoto Parish, Louisiana12; m. SUSAN

EMMA STANLEY, 29 Nov 1855, DeSoto Parish, Louisiana12; b. Abt.1832, DeSoto Parish, Louisiana.

Notes for CORDIAL N. HORN:Sue Siler of Keithville LA on 9 June 1997 provides a letter whichdescribes her discovery of several Horn's in the DeSoto (LA) parishcensus of 1860, some of which correspond to individuals on mypedigree (HORNREYN.ftw). She cites ..." ...p.933 R. H. Horn 29 TENN $70,000-1500 (physician), MaryMatron 32 ALA, John H. 9, LA; James? 7; Wm 5; Mary Jane 3.<This one not id'e yet>

And then there was on the same page:#802-21. C. N. Horn 31,TENN, farmer, Susan 28, LA, Isabella 4 Tenn, Susan E. 1 LA,John Stanley, 16, LA, Peyton Stanley, 10, LA, Marion(m) Stanley 10LA. <?presume relatives of wife Susan>Their marriage date is Oct 27, 1855, DeSoto Parish, LA -= CordialN. Horn to Susan Emma Stanley. He died Jan 22, 1865, DeSotoParish LA. She may have married again a Potts, as there were landtransa tions between she and ---Potts around Keathchie about1881.

Can you identify the R . H.? Maybe James R. b 1829?" End ofletter from Sue Siler.

From the above I assume 1) Cordial N. Horn and his brotherJames R. Horn removed to DeSoto Parish LA 2) the correct nameof Cordial's wife is probably Susan Stanley, and not 'S. C. Panley' ascited elsewhere.DeSoto Parish LA

See Notes of James R. Horn for some clarification of abovematerial.

Notes for SUSAN EMMA STANLEY:See Notes on her father, Peyton Stanley

vii. DR. JAMES ROBERT HORN, b. 01 Oct 1829,

Montgomery County, TN; d. 31 Dec 1909, Keatchie, LA13; m. ANN

ELIZA STANLEY, Abt. 1858; b. 1842, Louisiana; d. Aft. 1870.

Notes for DR. JAMES ROBERT HORN:Letter, E-mail from Sue Siler of Keithville, LA, reporting oninformation clearly indicating that James R. Horn and Cordial N.Horn, sons of Henry Horn (1792 -1866) and Mary Morris,removed to Louisiana before 1860 and raised families there,includes this data:1860 DeSoto Parish Census: P O Mansfield, Sept 1860, p 933:

#820 R. H. Horn 29 Tenn, $7,000-1,500. Physician.Anna E. 18 LAJosephine 8 months LA

#821 C. M? Horn 31 Tenn farmerSusan E. 28 LAIsabella G. 4 TNSusan E. 1 LAJohn L. Stanley 16Peyton Stanley 10 LAMarion Stanley 10 LA

The above "R. H. Horn" is almost certainly a census typo error,since:1870 DeSoto Parish Census, P O Keathchie, LA, 1st ward, June 281870, p 410.#379-375?, J. R. Horn 40 Tenn Doctor

A. E. Horn 27 LAJosephine, 10 LA

S. E. (f) 38 ALA [must be the widow of Cordial N. &sister of A E ]

I. G. (f) 14 LAS. E. (f) 10 LALilian Adams 18 TX

Other notes from DeSoto Parish Record, cited by Sue Siler:Dec 15, 1858 C. N. Horn appointed guardian for minor childrenof Stanford Stanley. 1861, C N Horn appointed Tutor for childrenof Sanford Stanley. Succession for Cordial N. Horn-No. H-20.Dec 9, 1859 - Robert Horn bought slave from Peyton Stanley, Bk J-52.Mar 28, 1861 - Robert Horn bought land from Peyton Stanley,Oct 11, 1867 - Robert Horn bought a lot in Keatchie LA fromJames McCraken.L-373.

Oct 11, 1867 -Susan Horn bought a lot in Keatchie LA from JamesMcCraken.Jan 17 1870 - Robert Horn bought land from Mary J. Blackwell. N-86Aug 31 1871 - Robert Horn bought land from R. J. Wood. N-670.Oct 2, 1872 - Robert Horn bought land from J. W. Cherry. p-255.Additional purchases of Land by Robert Horn recorded, 1879 -1887,

I suppose:1) James R(obert) Horn is the name.2) Dr. James Robert Horn and Susan Horn (widow of C N)removed to Keatchie area after death of C N in 1865.3) The younger Stanleys were perhaps the siblings or cousins ofSusan Stanley Horn, 'adopted' by CN after they were orphaned inabout 1858.

4 February, 2001: I recently discovered in papers sent to me byEstelle Horn of Memphis, a letter from Trisha Perkins ofNacogdoches, TX (Rt 2, Box 4528) written to Estelle in April1988. The text of that letter follows:

Dear Mrs. Horn,I am writing you in response to your inquiry in the

"Anse?????". At the present time I am trying to place my great-grandmother. Her name was Bella Horn Falbert (?Talbert). Shelived in Keathchie, LA. She was born in 1856 - the family she livedwith was Dr. James Robert Horn who was born in Clarksville TNin October 1, 1829. He died in Keathchie on Dec. 31, 1909. Ibelieve he was Bella's uncle, but I'm not sure. I haven't founddefinite informtion on Dr. Horn's family. In the 1820 census Ihave James, Josiah and Henry listed with boys under 10 but don'tknow where he might fit in. I would appreciate anything you mightbe able to help me with. Most of my work has been done aroundKeathchie (27 miles from Shreveport). I have found a largenumber of Horn's buried in several local cemeteries - mostly smallchurch graveyards. I did come across Henry & Mary's cemetary -

Blooming Grove, Clarksville, TN and felt certain some of theseHorns must tie into mine.

I would love to be able to go to Tennessee and continue mywork, but with three children in school, it becomes almostimpossible. Thank you for your time,

Trisha Perkins, Rt 2, Box 4528, Nacogdoches, TX, 75961.

An excerpt from another letter states that Trisha Perkins hasdetermined from guardianship papers at the DeSoto Parishcourthouse that her g-grandmother's father was Cordell Horn, born1827 in Tennessee and died January, 1865.

Ms. Perkins has also encountered Levi Horn and other Horn's inthe graveyards in the Logansport area.

It is of course obvious that Mrs. Perkins g-grandmother is CordialN. Horn's daughter, Isabella.

I have been unable to locate Mrs. Perkins, as of 10 February, 2001.

Notes for ANN ELIZA STANLEY:

Subj: Stanley infoDate: 97-06-25 05:21:04 EDTFrom: MSSiler@worldnet.att.net (Sue Siler)Reply-to: MSSiler@worldnet.att.netTo: DRBHORN@aol.com

Hi Bob,I am so excited to send you added info on your James Robert

Horn...here goes...Mickey called me last night after her trip to theLibrary with the following...Bk. A-p.235. Marriages of DeSotoParish:Annie D.[?] Stanley to Robert Horn on December 4, 1858. Also aprobateon Peyton Stanley: he died April 2, 1853. Son Mason of Texas; SonStephen was appointed Tutor for Peyton's minor children--SUSAN,Stanford, Green, Augustus, ANN ELIZA, John, Peyton, Marion.This pretty well wraps it up since it is quite apparent that brothers

married sisters and that accounts for Susan in their household inthe1860 Census.

With the land records that I picked up on the NET as follows:Pat. No.2578, Mason L. Stanley 1846\9\1 Caddo/DeSoto 40.14 SENWS1,T14.R15.3688 Peyton Stanley 1849\9\1 DeSoto 40.36 NWNWS7,T14,R15.707 Peyton Stanley 1843\04\1 Caddo/DeSoto 240.30 E<SES12,T14,R15.

You can see from previous records that Cordial is in the sameT14,R15.

There is an entry for James R. Horn #11362 1904\4\8 Winn152.13 SWNES6,T9,R3. I don't know if this one is yours.

Mickey also ran the marriages through 1912 and found no otherStanley,so they might have gone over the Texas line as it is only a few milesaway and Mason Stanley was there in 1853 as per Succession ofPeytonStanley.

Let me know what you think about all this. Sue

viii. CHARLES FRANCES MARION HORN, b. 03 Oct1831, Montgomery County, TN; d. Apr 1918, Lafayette, Kentucky;

m. (1) SARAH WYLIE, 30 Oct 1860, Montgomery County, TN14; b.24 Feb 1839; d. 08 Feb 1896, Stewart County, TN; m. (2) LUCY

TIPPIT, 01 Oct 189615.

Notes for CHARLES FRANCES MARION HORN:   Detailed Noteson this man and his family are found in a separate section of thiswebsite.   See the link on the home page.

ix. ELIZABETH W. HORN, b. 07 Nov 183316; d. 23Apr 1855; m. JOSEPH A. WELKER, 23 Apr 1854, MontgomeryCounty, TN; b. Abt. 1830.

x. COLUMBUS J. HORN, b. 20 May 1837; d. Feb 1865,Civil War.

Notes for COLUMBUS J. HORN:Enlisted 22 May, 1861 at Camp Duncan, Montgomery Co. TN.From War records located and cited by Estelle Horn. 5 ft 10inches. Dark Hair, hazel eyes, and dark complexion. Woundedseveral times. Taken prisoner at Fredericksburg, paroled andreturned to duty. Served in Virginia and Pennsylvania. Lastrecords are in Jan and Feb, 1865.

xi. CORNELIUS DAVID HORN, b. 16 Mar 1840,Montgomery County, TN; d. 04 Jul 1928, Cumberland City, Stewart

Co, TN17; m. ELLA ANN BARBEE, 18 Jan 1871, MontgomeryCounty, TN; b. 01 Jan 1850, Tennessee; d. 16 Oct 1936,Cumberland City, Stewart Co, TN.

Notes for CORNELIUS DAVID HORN:From Notes of Estelle Horn.Recalled as being small, 5' 8", stern and unfriendly. EnlistedConfederate Army at Camp Duncan, Montgomery Co, TN in May

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HENRY OR RICHARD1) was

born 03 Oct 1831 inMontgomery County, TN,and died Apr 1918 inLafayette, Kentucky. Hemarried (1) SARAH WYLIE

30 Oct 1860 in Montgomery County, TN1. She was born 24 Feb 1839,and died 08 Feb 1896 in Stewart County, TN. He married (2) LUCY

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(Photograph taken in Lafayette, Kentucky,at Powell Cemetery, 29 September, 2010.)

Notes for CHARLES FRANCES MARION HORN:

Charles F. M. Horn and his family apparently lived at his father's farm inMontgomery County for at least several years after his father's death.

In the 1870 census of the 9th district of Montgomery County, TN, thefollowing is noted.

Dwelling #174 is T. Reynolds and family. This is Thomas MackReynolds, the grandfather of my grandmother, Emmaline Reynolds. Iknow from an 1878 map of Montgomery County, that this Reynolds familylived on Marshall Creek/Howard Fork, just west of Blooming GroveCreek. This is the same "hollow" where Henry Horn lived from 1824 tohis death in 1866.

In the 1870 census, C. M. Horn (Charles Marion) and his family (includingmy then 10 year old grandfather, Robert Lee Horn), lived in dwelling#180, and William Horn, definitely William D. Horn, C. M.'s brother, andhis wife and five children, lived in dwelling #182. ( A black female namedMarshall, age of 20 with a one year old child occupied dwelling # 181).

By combining the facts in the above two paragraphs, I BELIEVE it isalmost certain that Charles M. and William D. lived on the property thathad belonged to their father, prior to his death in 1866. It would certainlybe interesting to know who was the father of the one year old black childnamed Marshall, and through what circumstances she happened toreside on or near to the farm of Henry Horn.

(See Notes to C M's father for some elaboration of the above topic).

R G Horn, April, 2002: The following is indication thatchildren/grandchildren of T. M. Reynolds and Henry Horn may have livedin the Marshall Creek area as late as 1898. According to MontgomeryCounty cemetary records, in the Reynolds cemetary off Lylewood Road indistrict 9, interments include "Clifton R. Horn, son of R. L. and E. R. Horn,Dec 12 1892 - Feb 8, 1898." This child was of course an early child ofmy grandparents, Robert Lee Horn and Emmaline Reynolds, and agrandchild of Charles F. M. Horn.

When elderly, Charles and Lucy returned to their respective families,Charles living with his son Robert L and family, either in Lafayette KY orin nearby Stewart Co TN. Charles was burned to death in a fire thatdestroyed the residence of his son Robert. Robert was burned trying tosave his father, possibly accounting for his wearing a full beardthereafter. Charles was initially buried with his first wife Sarah at the RLHorn cemetery in Stewart Co, but both were removed to the Powell

cemetery in Lafayette when Fort Campbell was built (WWII). R L andEmma also buried in Powell cemetery, Lafayette KY. [FromEstelle Horn papers and common family lore. All of these graves are inthe older part of the cemetary; the newer part, toward Lafayette, wasadded shortly after WWII.

Feb 2003. My brothers, Wiley and Phil, and I visited the Powellcemetery, confirming that Charles M. Horn and his first wife, Sarah areburied there, adjacent to their two sons, Robert L. and Wiley. My brotherWiley W. Horn, Jr reports that he was told by our cousin, DurwoodRoach, that RL and Emma were living in Lafayette, between the presentlocation of the Powell cemetery and Lafayette, at the time of the housefire that resulted in C M 's death.

Wiley, Phil, and I are considering purchasing a block of grave sites nearwhere our grandfather and great-grandfather are buried, for personal use,as needed.

Notes for SARAH WYLIE:The name Wiley, Wylie, Wilee, etc, is prominent in early records of folksin the Blooming Grove area.

Investigation is indicated.

Children of CHARLES HORN and SARAH WYLIE are:

2. i. ROBERT LEE10 HORN, b. 12 Jul 1861,

Montgomery County, TN; d. 07 Feb 1949, Christian County, KY.3. ii. WILEY JACKSON HORN, b. 28 Jun 1864,Montgomery County, TN; d. 22 May 1956, Christian County, KY.

Generation No. 2

2. ROBERT LEE10 HORN (CHARLES FRANCES MARION

9, HENRY8, JOSIAH

7,

WILLIAM6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)

5, WILLIAM4, THOMAS

3, THOMAS2, HENRY

OR RICHARD1) was born 12 Jul 1861 in Montgomery County, TN, and died

07 Feb 1949 in Christian County, KY. He married EMMALINE GERTRUDE

REYNOLDS 18 Feb 1890 in Stewart County, TN, daughter of JOHN

REYNOLDS and CLARA PARMINTER. She was born 05 Apr 1873 in BigRock, TN, and died 25 Mar 1946 in Hopkinsville, KY.

Notes for ROBERT LEE HORN:

Detailed Notes on this man and his family are found in a separate section ofthis website, accessible from the home page.

3. WILEY JACKSON10 HORN (CHARLES FRANCES MARION

9, HENRY8,

JOSIAH7, WILLIAM

6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)5, WILLIAM

4, THOMAS3,

THOMAS2, HENRY OR RICHARD

1) was born 28 Jun 1864 in Montgomery

County, TN, and died 22 May 1956 in Christian County, KY. He marriedIDA PACE 23 Dec 1891 in Stewart County, TN. She was born Mar 1873.

(Photograph taken at Powell Cemetery in Lafayette, Kentucky, 2010)

Notes for WILEY JACKSON HORN:According to the 1870 census of Montgomery County, TN, in the family ofC. M. Horn, M39 and Sarah, F31, were two children, Robert, M10,presumably Robert Lee Horn, born 1861, and Wiley, M 7, presumablyborn 1863.

Children of WILEY HORN and IDA PACE are:

i. CHARLES WILLIAM11 HORN, b. 28 Nov 1892; d.

22 Jul 1965, Fairview, Kentucky; m. FRANCES BURKS, 30 Sep 1914.

Notes for FRANCES BURKS:Feb, 2003: On a visit to the Powell cemetery with my brothers,Wiley and Phil, Wiley observes that the Burks family lived justacross the road from the Powell cemetary, a bit toward Lafayette, ina large two story white house, still standing and in good repair in2003.

ii. MARY HORN, b. Aft. 1892.

Endnotes

1. Tennesse Marriages 1850 to 1900/ancestry.com.2. Estelle Horn papers3. William Glasgow Reynolds, REYNOLDS HISTORY ANNOTATED, (Mercury Press, Rockville,Maryland 1978).4. gordon.ftw, Date of Import: Jan 1, 2001.

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1. ROBERT LEE10 HORN (CHARLES FRANCES MARION

9, HENRY8, JOSIAH

7,

WILLIAM6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)

5, WILLIAM4, THOMAS

3, THOMAS2, HENRY OR

RICHARD1) was born 12 Jul 1861 in Montgomery County, TN, and died 07 Feb

1949 in Christian County, KY. He married EMMALINE GERTRUDE REYNOLDS 18Feb 1890 in Stewart County, TN, daughter of JOHN REYNOLDS and CLARA

PARMINTER. She was born 05 Apr 1873 in Big Rock, TN, and died 25 Mar 1946 inHopkinsville, KY.

Photograph taken at Powell Cemetery, Lafayette, Kentucky.

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Notes for ROBERT LEE HORN:

According to his son and my father, Wiley Horn, R. L. Horn was a farmer andoccasional merchant, frequently selling and buying farms, in and around the areaof Lafayette, Ky.

It has come to my attention recently that my grandfather, Robert Lee Horn, livedthrough the Civil War, (which he must have recalled at least slightly, since he wasfour years old in 1865,) Reconstruction, the Spanish-American war, World War I,the influenza pandemic of 1918, the Great Depression of the 1930's, and WorldWar II.

His first two sons died young, Clifton at age 6, in 1898, and his namesake, RobertJr. , in 1933 at age 27.

Children of ROBERT HORN and EMMALINE REYNOLDS are:

i. CLIFTON R.11 HORN

1, b. 12 Dec 1892; d. 08 Feb 1898,

Montgomery County, TN1.

Notes for CLIFTON R. HORN:Date of birth and death is recorded in "Cemetery Records of MontgomeryCounty Tennessee, v. 2". TSLA f443,m8d3,v 2.

Reynolds Cemetery. Off Lylewood Road in District 9 - back of a small houseat the top of a hill. Also among the 12 people buried in this cemetery areSusan Reynolds, mother of Thomas Mack Reynolds.

2. ii. SARAH HORN, b. Abt. 1900; d. 18 Mar 1977, Kentucky.3. iii. RUTH HORN, b. Abt. 1902; d. 04 Aug 2000, Nashville, TN.

iv. CLARA HORN, b. Abt. 1905; d. Aft. 1950, Tullahoma, TN;m. C. L. MCDOWELL.

Notes for CLARA HORN:Clara was an attractive, rather prim, red-haired, intelligent lady. For manyyears she was employed in the office of the Nashville Bridge Co, and lived inNashville. For some years she lived with her brother Wiley and his family at2515 Dickerson Rd. Well into adult life she married Mr. McDowell, awidower, owner of a Lumber Co. in Tullahoma, TN. In late middle age shedied in Tullahoma, I think of complications of an abdominal tumor. She hadnever borne children. Recollections of Robert Gordon Horn.

4. v. JR. ROBERT LEE HORN, b. 1906; d. 1933, Hopkinsville, Ky.5. vi. WILEY WEATHERS HORN, b. 12 Apr 1909, near Lafayette,KY; d. 15 Nov 1988, Nashville, TN.

Generation No. 2

2. SARAH11 HORN (ROBERT LEE

10, CHARLES FRANCES MARION9, HENRY

8,

JOSIAH7, WILLIAM

6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)5, WILLIAM

4, THOMAS3, THOMAS

2, HENRY

OR RICHARD1) was born Abt. 1900, and died 18 Mar 1977 in Kentucky. She

married (1) CARTER BRANDON Abt. 1918. She married (2) DR. DURWOOD BELL

ROACH Abt. 1930.

Children of SARAH HORN and CARTER BRANDON are:

i. CHARLES12 BRANDON.

ii. WESLEY BRANDON.

iii. RICHARD BRANDON.iv. PAUL BRANDON.

Children of SARAH HORN and DURWOOD ROACH are:

v. DURWOOD B.12 ROACH, b. 1931; d. 08 Feb 2003, Christian

County, KY.

Notes for DURWOOD B. ROACH:Durwood was a KY State Trooper. He retired in Lafayette, KY and latermoved to place near Kentucky Lake. Large family.

vi. IRENE ROACH, b. Abt. 1934; m. JOE LAWSON.

Notes for JOE LAWSON:Joe was a prosperous farmer in Christian County. Died at about age 70 oflung cancer. Many good cigarettes from the tobacco he had raised.

vii. ROBERT ROACH, b. Abt. 1937.

Notes for ROBERT ROACH:Robert lives in Hopkinsville KY, where he was a school teacher andadministrator, long being the principal of Christian County High School.

3. RUTH11 HORN (ROBERT LEE

10, CHARLES FRANCES MARION9, HENRY

8, JOSIAH7,

WILLIAM6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)

5, WILLIAM4, THOMAS

3, THOMAS2, HENRY OR

RICHARD1) was born Abt. 1902, and died 04 Aug 2000 in Nashville, TN. She

married PAUL WAIN. He died 18 Dec 1976 in Nashville, TN.

Notes for RUTH HORN:Ruth was an intelligent and civilized lady. She lived alone for many years after herhusband's, but near her daughters, and was alert, loving, and involved for almostone hundred years. She could always smile, from the heart.

Children of RUTH HORN and PAUL WAIN are:

i. ELLEN CLAIRE12 WAIN, b. Abt. 1928.

ii. MARY RUTH WAIN, b. Abt. 1929.

4. JR. ROBERT LEE11 HORN (ROBERT LEE

10, CHARLES FRANCES MARION9,

HENRY8, JOSIAH

7, WILLIAM6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)

5, WILLIAM4, THOMAS

3,

THOMAS2, HENRY OR RICHARD

1) was born 1906, and died 1933 in Hopkinsville,Ky. He married LUCILLE ROSE.

Notes for JR. ROBERT LEE HORN:This young man died of a "ruptured appendix". It is my recollection that he wasemployed with city or county government in Hopkinsville, Christian County, Ky.To the day of his own death my father was troubled by the early loss of hisbrother. (Wiley tells me that our father told him that Robert survived the acuteappendicitis, but died from adhesions and obstruction, during surgery, some timelater.

I recall brief visits from Robert's widow and Jack and Sue, during or shortly afterWWII, when they were teen agers. I can still recall what seemed to me and myparents to be grandiose tales of unlikely accomplishments by Jack during the war.

I have no idea what became of them.

Robert is buried in the Powell cemetary in Lafayette, in the Rose family plot. Hiswidow, Lucille Rose has her name on a adjacent stone, with no death date. Isuspect she is buried elsewhere, having long since left this area, I believe.

R G Horn, April, 2002. February, 2003

Children of ROBERT HORN and LUCILLE ROSE are:

i. JACK12 HORN, b. Abt. 1928.

ii. SUE HORN.

5. WILEY WEATHERS11 HORN (ROBERT LEE

10, CHARLES FRANCES MARION9,

HENRY8, JOSIAH

7, WILLIAM6, HENRY (THE QUAKER)

5, WILLIAM4, THOMAS

3,

THOMAS2, HENRY OR RICHARD

1)2 was born 12 Apr 1909 in near Lafayette, KY, and

died 15 Nov 1988 in Nashville, TN. He married MARY VIRGINIA GORDON2 Abt. 15

Jan 1931 in Nashville, TN, daughter of JOHN GORDON and NORA NASH. She wasborn 25 Jun 1910 in Nashville, TN, and died 13 Nov 1993 in Hopkinsville, KY.

Notes for WILEY WEATHERS HORN:

Detailed Notes on this man and some of his descendants are included in aseparate section of this website, accessible from the home page.

Endnotes

1. William Glasgow Reynolds, REYNOLDS HISTORY ANNOTATED, (Mercury Press, Rockville, Maryland 1978).2. gordon.ftw, Date of Import: Jan 1, 2001.

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MARION9, HENRY

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near Lafayette, KY, and died 15 Nov 1988 in Nashville, TN. He married

MARY VIRGINIA GORDON1 Abt. 15 Jan 1931 in Nashville, TN, daughter of

JOHN GORDON and NORA NASH. She was born 25 Jun 1910 in Nashville,TN, and died 13 Nov 1993 in Hopkinsville, KY.

Notes for WILEY WEATHERS HORN:

My father, Wiley Horn, grew up as the youngest child of a relativelyprosperous farmer and small business man in the Tenn/Ky border area ofChristian (KY) and Stewart (TN) counties. My father is recalled to havesaid that his father lived at Weaver's store when my father was born.Weaver' Store was a community in Stewart County, TN, 3 to 4 milessouthwest of LaFayette, Ky on State Route 107, now located within FortCampbell, and no longer existent as a community. (A Google search willshow its former location on the Google Map.)

When I was a child, in the 1930's, my grandparents lived in nice whiteframe house on a couple of acres in the tiny town of Lafayette, KY.Accent the second syllable: la FAY et.

The house was clean, nicely furnished and comfortable. Featuresincluded kerosene lamps for lighting, a gigantic black cook stove in thekitchen, a bucket of water with a dipper on the side porch, adjacent to thekitchen, and an outdoor toilet, with a Sears catalogue providing pages forreading and toilet use. I assume this was the kind of accomodation in

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which my father had grown up. Maids cooked and took care of thehouse. My grandparents appeared always "dressed", as if ready for avisit by neighbors or friends.

My father recalled that his father was habitually buying and selling farmproperties, necessitating frequent relocations by the family. It appearedthat my grandfather was well off, but it became clear as the economicboom of the twenties began to bust before the Great Depression thatthings would not always be so plentiful.

By the time my father finished high school in Lafayette, times were verytroubled. His father had lost much or all of his wealth. His older brotherwould die of appendicitis in about 1931. His sister, Sarah, was marriedfor the second time to the family doctor of Lafayette, with three or fourchildren by her first husband.

My father said he caught the bus for Nashville on the day after hegraduated from high school, to live with his sister, Ruth in Nashville.

My father spoke of a menial job at a pharmacy while he took a "businessschool" course to prepare him for a white collar job.

My father's maternal uncles had been rather successful. Wilton was ageneral practitioner in Nashville, and her brother John Lacey Reynoldswas a prominent attorney. My father was never inclined to socialize withthese uncles, although my mother frequently took me to see Uncle Wiltonfor minor childhood complaints.

Once or twice during my 50+ years of knowing my father, I heard him saythat WIlton had encouraged him to try for Medical School, but my fatherwas, I believe, too proud to admit that he needed any help from a "richuncle". So, instead, he got married to a girl he met on the bus or streetcar, on the way to his work in the downtown office of the TelephoneCompany, then called Southern Bell, where he worked for several years.I recall knowing as a very young child that my dad worked for thetelephone company. In later years my father told me that his primary jobwas to count the coins collected from phone booths in the area, and toaccount for the funds collected.

During the late thirties, my father left the phone company and took a jobas a salesman with a small motor freight line, called Southeastern MotorFreight, its offices being on first avenue south, facing the river, in the firstblock south of Broadway. I clearly recall that in a flood in the late 1930'sthe river rose high enough to cover First Avenue, about 3 or 4 feet abovethe pavement. Needless to say, Southeastern's office was flooded.

I believe my mother's half-brother Vernon, a lawyer, and her half-sister,Cumi, an aspiring entrepeneur and a dominating large wonderful woman,had for a time acquired the truck company, possibly as a result of abankruptcy, accounting for my father's opportunity to work forSoutheastern. Not long afterward, Southeastern was purchased byCharles Potter, a young man from a well off Nashville family whichincluded Ed Potter, a bank president, and Justin Potter, financial

powerhouse, now with a statue on the Vanderbilt campus for hisgenerosity, and not necessarily for his high ethical business standards.

Charles Potter owned Southeastern for many years, and the company didwell. I believe my father was an excellent salesman and representative ofthe company for many years. He was appreciated, he had a good job,and the pay was adequate, but he had no ownership interest.

During the 1950's, as a sideline, my father "developed" the 125 acre farmon Haywood Lane, which had been our homeplace for my childhood, intoa subdivision. In this process, he borrowed money, built roads, installedutility services, and then sold the lots to home builders. In the processhe was able to convert a property he had purchased for $12,500 in theearly 1940's into sufficient funds to purchase a 300+ acre farm inChristian County, KY, on the Fairview road, with a wonderful home of1900 vintage, where he relocated with my mother and two brothers, bothstill in high school or college, while I was already married and on my own,in Medical School in Nashville.

Soon thereafter, he decided to give up his job with the Truck line andbecome a full-time farmer. This worked for several years, but forreasons about which I can only speculate, probably both personal andfinancial, he elected to purchase a small truck line, called PulaskiHighway Express.

Wiley and his partner in PHE, J. T. Foster, were able to develop the truckline into a moderately large and rather lucrative business over the nexttwo decades. During this period, my father experienced a degree ofreward and independence which he had never experienced, and hefound much gratification and enjoyment from his business experiences.During this period, my father and mother became estranged, and theywere never reunited. My father lived in Nashville until his death, and mymother remained on the farm in Kentucky until she required a long periodof hospitalization in a nursing home setting for the last several years ofher life.

In the late 1970's, the nature of the interstate trucking business changeddramatically, from a highly regulated industry, requiring much politicalknow-how, to a more entrepeneurial and "free market" industry. Ibelieve my father and his partner did not begin to forsee the cataclysmicchange in the business climate produced by changes in federal regulationof the industry, and in an unbelievably short period of time a very largeproportion of the small and medium-sized truck lines collapsed intobankruptcy, as a result of "deregulation".

During the last several years of my father's life he lived alone, simply, in avery modest house in a near blue collar neighborhood, but he retainedhis intelligence, wit, and vigor until the last day of his life, having dealtquite well with coronary bypass surgery and carcinoma of the prostate,before finally succumbing to a several year struggle with amyotrophiclateral sclerosis.

During the last years of his life my father was cared for by a muchyounger woman, a handsome nurse with whom he had long beenintimately acquainted. They occupied separate residences, but weremutually devoted until his death.

Until the very end, my father elected to avoid hospitalization, and hiscircumstances permitted him to remain independent and well cared for byhis loving friend. When finally the disease had progressed to the pointthat he could barely breathe sufficiently to maintain himself, it becameclear that hospitalization would be necessary. His friend, my brothers,Wiley and Phil, and I met with him and arranged for him to be transportedto the hospital on the following morning. We all elected to stay awakefor the night, and assist with preparation for sending him to the hospitalby ambulance in the AM.

There was little to do during that evening, except for casual and not tooserious conversation. My father was too breathless to speak, but hewould occasionally make himself understood by whispers and signals.He remained fully alert and cheerful.

To pass the time, some of us worked a crossword puzzle and ananagram puzzle in the newspaper, with some light banter about riddlesevoked by the puzzles.

After a while it became clear to me, that my father wanted to saysomething, so I leaned over and listened carefully, to his barely audiblewhisper.

I finally was able to hear, not clearly but with perfect undertanding, that hewas recalling a verbal puzzle from his childhood. He was saying this:"The fox, the goose, and the corn", then smiling broadly.

These were the last words I heard him say. "The fox, the goose, and thecorn".

You may remember the story. A farmer, traveling to market with a fox, agoose, and a bag of corn is required to cross the river, but the boatavailable is only of sufficient size to at one time carry himself and one ofthe items he carries. How does he transport the three items across theriver without allowing an opportunity for the fox to eat the goose or thegoose to eat the corn?

Then and now, I repeatedly recollect what I think was my father's calmand frankly humorous consideration of the problems associated with"crossing the river", on what I suspect he knew was his last night onearth.

Early the next morning the ambulance came, and without ado my fatherwas put on the stretcher and taken to the ambulance for transport to thehospital. I do not really remember seeing my father conscious after hewhispered to me the reminder of the old riddle night before. But I knowhe was conscious and breathing on his own when he was placed thestretcher.

After my father was put in the transport vehicle, the EMT exited thevehicle, told me that my father was no longer breathing, and asked me ifwe wished him to provide ventilatory assistance. I told the EMT that Idid not wish him to provide further support.

In a separate car I followed the ambulance on the trip to Westsidehospital, a component of the Centenniel Medical Center complex. Whenwe arrived at the hospital, my father was intermittently making weakrespiratory efforts, but he was clearly unconscious and comatose. Hedied quietly, without further suffering, on that afternoon.

I can only speculate, but I feel there was probably a substantial voluntaryelement exercised by my father in choosing to die when he did. Hehad reached a stage of weakness and muscular atrophy, such thatrespiratory activity required all the effort he could muster to slightly movehis chest and diaphragm. It is my feeling that he realized he could not goon breathing on his own, and that he willfully and knowledgably elected todie, by his own will, and the time of his choice, by choosinging not toexert the effort required when he realized the time had come.

He know how to cross the river, on his terms.

Such a choice would have been, and I am sure, was, in perfect characterfor this remarkable man.

His courage is a challenge to each of us.

Photographs taken at Powell Cemetery, Lafayette, Kentucky,September, 2010

Children of WILEY HORN and MARY GORDON are:

i. ROBERT GORDON12 HORN, b. 17 Dec 1931,

Davidson County, Tennessee.ii. WILEY WEATHERS HORN (JR), b. 09 Nov 1937,

Davidson County, Tnessee.iii. PHILLIP LOUIS HORN, b. 01 Oct 1940, Davidson

County, Tennessee.

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1. ROBERT GORDON12 HORN (WILEY WEATHERS

11, ROBERT LEE10,

CHARLES FRANCES MARION9, HENRY

8, JOSIAH7, WILLIAM

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QUAKER)5, WILLIAM

4, THOMAS3, THOMAS

2, HENRY OR RICHARD1) was

born 17 Dec 1931 in Davidson County, Tennessee. He married (1)BETTY JANE WADDELL 18 Dec 1954 in Nashville, Tennessee. She wasborn 12 Dec 1931 in Nashville, Tennessee. He met (2) LILIA DUJUA

MAURICIO. She was born 14 Aug 1943 in Manila, The Philipines.

Notes for ROBERT GORDON HORN:

Born at 2515 Dickerson Rd, on 25 acre farm of John Gordon. Houseburned about 1933 and replaced by brick bungalow, still there in 2011.Place left to Patsy, my mother, on death of John Gordon, in July of 1935.Sold in about 1943 when Wiley and Patsy bougt 100+ acre farm onHaywood Lane. This place subdivided by Wiley Horn in about 1958, theresidence becoming site of present day Baptist church (ghosts of Josiahand Henry).

Wiley and Patsy bought 300+ acre farm in Christian County, Kentucky for$75,000. Transferred to Bob, Wiley, and Phil in late 80's and sold toMennonite family from Ohio. The meek shall inherit the earth.

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Places of residence of RGH:1931-~43: 2515 Dickerson Rd, Davidson County, TN1943-~54: Haywood Lane, " " "1954- 61: Acklen Park Drive (site now about 50 feet in the air, over I-440),Haywood Lane,Bordeaux hospital(57-58), various apartments in theVanderbilt-West End area.1961-1965: Silver Spring and Bethesda, Maryland, near NIH.1965-1995: Various locations in Nashville and Brentwood, TN.1996- ? : 3530 John Allen Road, Cornersville, Marshall County, TN.

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(The following notes were prepared by me, Robert G. Horn, in Novemberof 2002, in response to a request by my grandson, Gordon Chavez, forsome information he wanted to present a talk in school about one of hisancestors.)

I was born in 1931 on a small farm, 25 acres, on the outskirts of the cityof Nasvhille, northeast of town, the first child of Wiley Horn and PatsyGordon, where I lived until I was 12 years old. My parents lived in thehousehold of Patsy's mother and father, John and Nora Nash Gordon.At the time the country was in an economic depression, many peoplewere unemployed and homeless, businesses were failing, and manypeople were penniless because they had lost their jobs, and often anymoney they had. Many the banks had collapsed and lost the savingswhich had been entrusted to them by their customers.

My grandfather, then quite old, had owned and operated a small grocerybusiness and later a bakery, and his businesses managed to survive the"crash" of the economy, although he suffered substantial losses in theprocess.

My father had come to Nashville from nearby Christian County, Kentucky,as soon as he had graduated from high school in about 1929. He livedwith an older sister, took classes at a "Business School", got a job in theoffice of the telephone company, and married my mother, whom he hadfirst encountered on a city bus, in January of 1931. When they firstmarried, they lived in a tent in the back yard of my grandfather's house,but by the time I came along, a week before Christmas day in 1931, Ithink they had moved into the house where I was born.

When I was a small baby, the house burned on a Saturday night, whilemy parents, grandparents and I had taken a drive to the city. On theway home, they heard a fire engine, going the same way they were, andit turned out both of them were going to the same place.

The house was promptlyrebuilt, a nice 3-bedroombrick bungalow which stillsstands there. This is the firsthome I remember. Becauseso many people were out of ajob and available for work, thehouse was promptly rebuilt, fora very few dollars, I forget theamount, but if one had anymoney at all, they could buy agreat deal with it.

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My grandfather died suddenly of heart problems in July of 1935. I wasonly three and a half years old, but I think I can remember that when mygrandmother, mother, and I came back to the house from a short trip to anearby grocery, he had fallen out of his chair and was dead on the floor.

As a result of my grandfather's death, my mother was given the propertywhere we lived, and my aunt Dee was given some other property that hehad owned. Dee had recently married a young attorney, Beverly Briley,who would obtain considerable fame as the first mayor of theconsolidated Metropolitan Government of Nashville and DavidsonCounty, a few years later.

My grandmother continued to live with my parents and me on the smallfarm, although she frequently visited and spent time with her other fivechildren and their families in the nearby communities.

I did not have a younger brother until I was almost six years old, so Iinitially grew up as an "only child", with few nearby neighbors and nochildhood friends except for my occasional visits from cousins. As aresult, I had considerable time to entertain myself, and I promptly learnedto read whatever I could find to try to interpret. My parents have told methat they were often somewhat aggravated when they would take me fora drive, and I would insist on "showing off" by reading the roadside signs

from the car window. I think I also learned how to entertain myself inthose early years, and even now I am not often entirely happy in busyand bubbling social situations.

Even after I started to school, my schoolmates all lived in a suburbanneighborhood near the school, while I lived "alone" on the farm about amile or two from school. This arrangement provided me with much timefor reflection and study. I am sure I would have been a more sociableperson, if I had been forced to deal with more children of my own age atthis time of my life.

I found it quite easy to do the school work, and I think I found that I couldobtain considerable satisfaction and self-assurance from knowing morethan most of classmates and impressing the teacher's with my fund ofinformation. In many ways, this approach to the world outside my homebecame a way of life to me for a long time.

I think my parents were so busy learning to be parents and young adults,that they did not spend much time in conversation with me. On theother hand, my grandmother told me many stories of her life and times.I wish that she had told me more, and that I had listened morecarefully. She was born in Henry County, TN and grew up in thePinewood community of Hickman County where her father was theforeman of a saw mill on the Piney River. Living conditions were verypoor, particularly in rural areas of the South, after the Civil War.Infectious diseases were rampant, and life was often very short anddifficult. Her father died as a young man, at work at the mill, of heartdisease, age 39. Nora was first married as a very young woman andseveral of her first-born children died, of diarrhea, meningitis, and otherinfectious diseases. And her first husband died as a young man,perhaps of tuberculosis, leaving her with four young children and noready means of supporting herself. Perhaps these stories of mygrandmother awakened in me some interest in diseases, which sotragically had affected her life and the lives of most people in those days.

In spite of it all, my grandmother married a second time, to the childlessand recently widowed Mr. Gordon,and they had two more children, mymother, "Patsy", and "Dee". Nora lived for another 35 years following thedeath of her second husband in 1935. Nora Nash Hines Gordon died atage 97 in 1970, having raised six children to adulthood in health andprosperity, with multitudes of grandchildren who loved her dearly andwere awed by her simplicity and effectiveness.

When I was twelve years old, my parents sold the small farm where I hadbeen born and took me and my six and three year old brothers to a largerbut somewhat similar place, 125 acres on Haywood Lane, in thesouthernmost part of Davidson County. By this age, I was able to enjoythe wide open spaces on our farm as well have friends in the communitywhere we lived. But I still managed to find time to be the "smartest kid inschool", at least in the very small schools I went to then. At Antiochelementary school, the fifth and sixth grade classes were in the sameroom, and at Tusculum elementary school, both the seventh and eighthgrades were in the same room. There were only 8 or 10 students in my

8th grade class there. No one was very far from the top or from thebottom in that school.

I think my father wanted me to be a "gentleman farmer" when I grew up.When I was ten years old, he bought me a pony as a surprise. It wasquite a surprise. We went to the back yard and saddled the pony, whoappeared quite large to me, and my father helped me onto the horse'sback. I guess somebody said, "giddy up", but in any case the ponystarted to run. He ran through a narrow gate, jammed my leg against thegate latch, and I must have fallen off, with a large laceration just belowmy left knee. This required a trip to the doctor and several large metalclamps to close the wound. I recovered from the injury promptly, but Ihave never trusted horses, and it took me forty more years to want tobecome a farmer. As a result of this episode and, I am sure, others likeit, my father and I modified our expectations of each other, and each of ustried to do as we pleased, with cautious respect. I helped out a good bitat the farm, fencing, making hay, milking cows, but it was alway clear toall of us, that at that time my deeper interests lay somewhere beyond thefarm.

After we moved to the larger farm on Haywood Lane, I enjoyed school, atleast the "doing well" part and being with friends. I enjoyed living in thecountry, I tolerated the small amount of farm work that I did, and greatlyenjoyed solitary walking and investigation on the farm. I bought asingle-shot .22 rifle, but I did not like to hunt and I had no talent for it. Iremember once shooting a crow, a bird which I enjoyed stalking,because they are so smart. But one was enough. Crows live in socialgroups, they do not willingly let people get near them, and they postsentries to watch for encroaching humans and warn the rest of the crowswhen someone approaches. Nice birds. There are not nearly so manynow as there were then.

I also enjoyed talking a walk on the farm, finding a comfortable place andbuilding a small bon-fire, especially in the winter. It is always a challengeto build a small outdoor fire with only a few matches and no kindling orfuel, and it is, of course, very comforting to sit quietly and watch a fire,especially if you have created it.

As soon as I was old enough, 15 or 16, along with one or two friends, Itook every chance to go on hiking and camping trips away from home.We had initially done this several years earlier with the Boy Scouts, butshortly gave up on this organization and started doing similar things onour own. Our favorite reasonably nearby places were the SmokyMountains of eastern Tennessee and North Carolina. Newfound Gap,Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge, Mount Le Conte, and Cades Cove. Bears,campfires, the Appalachian Trail, and very few people.

Shortly, thereafter, while still in high school, with my friend, WallaceRogers, we undertook long trips by car to see the country beyondTennessee. Our first trip was to the northeast, with one other friend, AlTurman. We travelled to Knoxville, Virginia, Monticello, Mount Vernon,Washington, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, Boston, Cape Cod, thecoast of Maine, Mount Katahdin at the northern end of the Appalachian

Trail, then west into Canada, Montreal and Quebec, Niagra Falls, andback home. Amazingly, on most nights we camped out on cots by theroadside, only occasionally stopping at cheap motels for a bath and agood night's sleep. We never encountered any hostility or concern fromother travelers, the locals, police, or psycopaths. It was a somewhatdifferent world then, when President Truman would talk a walk on thesidewalk around the White House, unaccompanied, like us, not botheredby and not bothering anyone in the process.

After the successful northeastern trip we made two similar two to threeweek long trips to the West, to see just about all of it. In two separatelong summer trips Wallace and I and a couple of our friends saw justabout all of the western United States. I think we were most awed andfascinated by the mountain ranges, the Rockies, the Sierras, and by themassive dams across some of the largest rivers, the Grand Coulee Damin the State of Washington, and the Hoover/Boulder Dam across theColorado River.

Shortly after first encountering the site of the massive wall of the RockyMountains, leaping up from the earth, after we had driven westwardacross the endless plains of Kansas and eastern Colorado, we drovedirectly into the mountains, looking for places to camp and hike. Itwas then that I first realized that when one enters the mountains, sodramatically visible from afar, the peaks disappear from view. From thesurface of the earth, in the valleys and lower ridges, the peaks tend toremain blocked from view, except for occasional glimpses. We laterlearned that to truly see the grandeur and presence of the mountains,one must climb to or very near their peaks and look at them from above.

For our initial climb, Wallace and I selected a rather dramatic lookingmountain in the southern portion of Rocky Mountain National Park toattempt our first climb. We had driven along a mountain road to about8000 feet above sea level, and the estimated 6000 feet additional verticalclimb to the top did not seem insuperable at the moment. We did notmake it even halfway that day, the effort required to climb at thatelevation, with its lowered oxygen content, making even our young andenthusiastic hearts and lungs too starved to go on. It took us severalmore attempts, considerable planning, and more than a decade to finishthe ascent of Mount Meeker, the peak of which is just short of 14,000 feetabove sea level.

In later years with my son, David, in one summer trip we were able toclimb to the summits of three mountains higher than 14,000 feet. Weclimbed Long's Peak, the highest mountain in Colorado's Rocky MountainNational Park, Mount Elbert, the highest mountain in Colorado, andMount Whitney in the Sierra Mountains of California, the highestmountain in the the United States, excepting those in Alaska (which reallyshould not count, since Alaska may be a nice place but it is certainly notmuch of a state).

After finishing my college degree at Vanderbilt in 1954, my entrance toMedical School in the fall of that year pretty much ended my electivepursuits. It was four years of very hard work, long hours, an exhausting

curriculum, capable of being grasped only very incompletely by even themost qualified students. The process determines that you can survive alife of extreme rigor and stress, while providing you with just enoughinformation that you can begin to select and learn to be the kind ofphysician you wish to become. I recommend the process only for theextremely dedicated and determined, those with clearly nothing better todo.

In the latter stages of medical school, I decided I was very interested inthe science of Medicine, determining how the body works and fails towork properly, (an arena I later found to be, much more than I hadimagined, a vast and inexpressibly complex area of incomplete andcontinually expanding information), and I correctly concluded that I wasnot particularly well suited for the hands on close personal interactionswith patients that were required to become a good care-giving physician,perhaps as a result of those interpersonal skills I failed to acquire in earlylife.

After completion of medical school, I entered a training program to learnto be a Pathologist. Pathologist are physicians who are trained to uselaboratory techniques of many types to assist in the diagnosis ofdiseases. A skill particularly important to the practice of Pathology isskill in use of Microscopy in determining the nature of diseasesprocesses.

After 3 years working in the Department of Pathology at VanderbiltHospital, I was able to become an officer in the United States PublicHealth Service, stationed for four years at the National Institutes of Healthin Bethesda, Maryland. The NIH was at that time, and even now, is,one of the premier medical research institutions in the world. Duringthat four years I was able to work with some good and some near greatscientists at the NIH, accomplishing some research goals and, moreimportantly, obtaining experience in the use of research techniques whichwere then quite new and "avant garde".

In 1965, I was offered and accepted a position on the faculty of theDepartment of Pathology at Vanderbilt University. At that time the VUSchool of Medicine was a much smaller and simpler institution that it is atthe present time. Medicine was about to embark on a phase of veryrapid growth, fuelled by America's prosperity after the end of WWII, therapid advances in science and technology of that era, citizens' demandfor improved medical care, and the growth of governmental and corporateinvolvement in trying to meet those demands and provide neededservices.

In the intial phases of that growth spurt at Vanderbilt, I was able to bringto the institution and to the department of Pathology a beginnning ofenhanced competence in some of the important research techniques Ihad learned to use at the NIH. I obtained NIH funded research grants toequip a Laboratoy for Electron Microscopy and facilities to begin toemploy some immunological and other new techniques in the study ofhuman diseases.

At this time rapid growth in the understanding of disease of the kidneywas underway, due to 1) the use of techniques to remove a very smallamount of tissue from the kidney, using a biopsy needle to remove asmall piece of tissue from the diseased kidney, and 2) by using the newtechniques of Electron Microscopy and other special microscopictechniques to determine the processes which were injuring the kidneys ofthese patients. Over the next decade, a large number of these kidneybiopsy procedures were performed, both at Vanderbilt and in othermedical research institutions, and a new discipline of Kidney BiopsyPathology developed, producing greatly improved understanding ofkidney diseases and substantial improvement in the management ofpatients with such problems.

With the expanded demand for health care in America, the decision wasmade to increase the number of physicians being trained in Americathrough increased governmental funding of medical schools for thispurpose. The number of students in Medical School at Vanderbilt wasmore than doubled in a very few years, and beginning in the early 1970's,considerable effort was made to improve the quality and effectiveness ofthe educational process in medical schools. For several years I was thedirector of education for the long and demanding course in Pathology,required of all medical students during their second year. I was able toaccomplish a number of dramatic and effective changes in educationaltechniques and content in our Patholgy teaching, due to my interest inimproving the quality of the teaching which I had found to be soabysmally awful just a few years earlier, and in these efforts I was givenmuch appreciated support by the Dean of the Medical School and manyof the faculty of Pathology. In 1975, the graduating class chose to giveme the "Shovel Award", for my teaching efforts on behalf of the VanderbiltMedical students, a much appreciated honor.

After about 15 years as a member of the faculty at Vanderbilt, havingenjoyed greatly my efforts in research, teaching, and the practice ofPathology, and being reasonably gratified by the results, having reachedthe rank of Professor of Pathology and determining that I did not wish toattempt to try to rise higher in the ranks of Academic Medicine, I electedto resign from my academic position and try something new, in a differentenvironment.

Beginning in 1981, I worked for four years as a practicing hospitalpathologist at a large community hospital in Nashville. In this position Iestablished a laboratory to continue my work in Kidney Biopsy Pathology,offering my diagnostic services and professional expertise in this area tophysicians in practice outside the university hospital.

In 1985 I resigned my position at Baptist Hospital and opened anindependent laboratory devoted to the practice of Kidney BiopsyPathology, the facet of Pathology that I had found was particularlyrewarding in applying relatively new and sophisticated diagnostictechniques to practicing physicians and their patients with kidneydisease.

My established clientele responded to the services offered by the newlycreated independent small and focussed laboratory, and over the years,the amount of service being provided by this Laboratory has slowly butregularly increased.

The productivity and reasonable success of this Laboratory for KidneyPathology has been due in large measure to the continuing contributionof Mrs. Jennie O'Saile, who has been my technological wizard for morethan 25 years, and to two of my daughters, Sarah and Cynthia, who haveeach worked with me for more than 10 years. These three and twoother wonderful technologists provide an efficient, effective, and caringservice to our physician clientele and their patients. I have recentlybeen joined in this practice by a dear friend and outstanding Pathologist,Dr. Lilia Mauricio, and it is our intention to continue to provide theseservices for the forseeable future.

In about 1983, perhaps in response to the lingering feeling that perhaps Ihad disappointed my father in not being able to become a gentlemanfarmer, like I thought he may have wanted, and perhaps motivated bysome genetic urge that afflicted my ancestors, a need to "go west, andseek a new land", perhaps to repay them, symbolically, for their efforts, Ipurchased a debilitated old farm, 325 acres in the rocky hills and valleysof southern middle Tennessee, about an hour directly south of Nashville,just outside the Nashville basin, at the headwaters of Richland Creek, atributary of the Elk River, and then the Tennessee River. Remainingrelics of those pioneers who settled the place in the early 1800's were thehand hewn logs in the smoke house, 8 to 12 inches in cross-section, therock chimney in the interior of the old house, chinked with mud betweenthe closely fitting rocks, still standing straight, and the rows of buttercupsat the head of some of the smaller valleys, marking the remains of anattempted beginning of a new homestead of the offspring of the then-owner of the farm, an attempt now long since abandoned and untenable.

In the ensuing now nearly 20 years I have begun to restore some of thefeatures of the old place, while adding modern amenities to acknowledgethe present and the future, as well as remembering the past. It is mywish and desire than this place can provide a site for at least theoccasional assembly of our families, in recognition of the ties that bind usand the forces that separate us, now, as earlier, and forthwith.

With the help of a few distant relatives and newfound acquaintances, andseveral visits to libraries, I have in the last year or so been able to trace,with reasonable conviction, my Horn lineage to the area of southeasternVirginia near the end of the 1600's, where a certain William Horn and hiswife, Margaret, and their family appears in the records of NansemondeCounty, Virginia.

In 1718 this William Horn was awarded 1000 acres by King George, forreasons unknown, property then said to be in Nansemonde County,Virginia, and determined, after the survey of 1728, to be property thatwould become Gates County, North Carolina.

A son of William Horn of Nansemond, Henry Horn, a Quaker, lived from1716 to 1798, mostly in the Tar River area of upper eastern NorthCarolina, raising to adulthood thirteen children, one of whom, the oldest,"Colonel" William, among his other accomplishments, was four timesmarried, as well as being an elected member of the North Carolinalegislature, 1776-1789, apparently being more successful in politics thanin matrimony.

The oldest son of Colonel William, Josiah Horn, emigrated from NorthCarolina to Montgomery County, Tennessee in 1800 where he boughtfarm land and established a Baptist Church where he was the minister formany years. The initial membership of Josiah's church was 17 Whitesand 6 Blacks.

Josiah's grandfather, Henry the Quaker, had been a slaveholder,bequeathing several slaves to his children at his death in 1798, but Henrystipulated in his Will that the "if at any time the laws of our Country willadmit of their freedom, then they shall be free, but untill then, I do herebydeposit them in the care of my Executors as Guargians over them in allcases with equal authority as if I had made an absolute legacy of them, tothem, yet not so as to sell them for gain.".

Josiah's son, Henry Horn, followed his father as minister of the BloomingGrove Church. He raised two daughters and nine sons, two of whomserved in Army of the Confederacy, and one whom died in that War, in1865.

One of Henry's sons, Charles Frances Marion Horn, was a schoolteacher. He survived the War and Reconstruction. One of Charles' twosons, Robert Lee Horn, 1861 - 1949, survived the Civil War,Reconstruction, World War I, the influenza Pandemic of 1918, the GreatDepression, and World War II.

Robert Lee Horn, and his wife, Emma Reynolds, raised six children, thelast of whom was my father, Wiley Weathers Horn, 1909 - 1988.

As with every person and every family, each of our lives should be atribute to those who lives made ours possible.

My final home is meant to recognize and be emblematic of the joys andstruggles involved in the lives each of us has led, since timeunremembered, and will continue to lead into the unforseeable future.

Among the greatest pleasures of my life is walking with my grandchildren,Gordon and Warner, surveying the rocky hills around us, pondering thetimes that have passed and the wonderful days to come, planning ourfutures, wherever the days will take us.

Robert G. Horn11 November, 2002.

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