Dien dan Sinh vien Dai Hoc Cong Nghiep Ha Noi > Forum Lp > H i Hc > Kho 2 > LTCD-H KHMT2-K2 > Mn Hc Cng Ngh Phn Mm Nng Cao PDA View Full Version : Mn Hc Cng Ngh Phn Mm Nng Cao Hacker_thtvn 09-21-2009, 09:38 PM Kich vo http://www.mediafire.com/file/eyzuel2mmzz/Cong nghe phan mem nang cao.rar download 100 slide mn hc CNPM nng cao do thy Lu (0979 768 010) cc bn download v tm hiu nh! Cinderella 09-21-2009, 10:02 PM Sao thy bo l 100 side c m, t mi thy c 32 slide m ko thy chng 1 u c Hacker_thtvn 09-21-2009, 10:14 PM sao khng xa c ci file nh km nh? xa Hacker_thtvn 09-22-2009, 11:42 AM Hm th gmail.com ca lp trao i mn CNPM nng cao v cc mn hc khc: User: cddhkhmt2k2 Pass: ltkhmt2k2 ngh cc bn gi thng tin vo hm th lp ghi y tiu th, tn thnh vin v thuc nhm no hm th lp d qun l nht! lenhuanh 09-22-2009, 11:53 AM Hm th gmail.com ca lp trao i mn CNPM nng cao: User: cddhkhmt2k2 Pass: ltkhmt2k2 Trao i v nhu ci na ch ko ring g mn CNPM Bth nh. Hjhj. Thank khachung225 09-22-2009, 09:22 PM ng l th. nhng mt khu phi by th ny liu c ai vo ngch ngm v thay i mt khu th sao mode lp phng trng hp ny cha :D lo sa ri ??? Hacker_thtvn 09-24-2009, 09:47 PM Thy gio gi cho chng ta 3 file Powerpoint: File 1: Gm 3 Chng I, II, III -> Phn cng cho 3 nhm mi nhm 1 chng

File 2: Gm 4 Chng I, II, III, IV -> Phn cng cho 3 nhm -> Da vo s slide trong file 2 mnh chia nh sau, 1 nhm Chng 1, 1 nhm chng II+III, 1 nhm chng 4 File 3: Gm 8 Chng I -> Chng VIII -> Phn cng cho 4 nhm -> mi nhm 2 chng. vd: Nhm mnh bc vo 1 sile 3=> mnh phi lm chng I + chng II trong file slide 3 Cng vic ca chng ta s l son gio trnh CNPM Nng Cao ( Ging mn CNPM c ca thy Dng) theo bc thm ca trng nhm v c hiu v vit ng dng. ( Mi thc mc xin lin h trc tip theo s: 0975 632 463 BT.Hng) khachung225 09-25-2009, 09:16 PM Mnh bc c 4 slide 3 l th no nh ?? gip mnh vi mnh ko bit l lm phn no na. Hacker_thtvn 09-28-2009, 04:14 PM ngh l lm 2 chng cui cng ca sile 3 l Chng 7 + chng 8 Cinderella 09-28-2009, 11:57 PM 3 Slide 3 th l chng 5,6 ca File 3 h ng ko?????? Hng hay Lan Post cc nhm i!!!! 063106222 09-29-2009, 10:36 AM K bit ti hm trc nhm trng hp, phn chia th no m mi ngi thc mc th BT i.Ai c danh sch ca nhm cha, post ln cho mi ngi cng bit nh. hieutdhn 10-04-2009, 10:33 PM Th 5 tun ny bo v CNPM Nng cao. Ngy mai 05-10 c ngh, c th phi hc mn khc. Xin nhc li H ln na l hy post thm c ngun na nh Thng bo ngh hc, hy post sang box thng bo. Tks phuc0107 10-12-2009, 10:30 PM Mi thc mc, kin xin gi v mail: phuc.nb0107@gmail.com. Xin trn thnh cm n mrme 10-12-2009, 11:42 PM Bi tng hp v slide ca nhm 3 t a ch http://bangcap.com/khmt2/tongHopBaiCuaNhom3.zip Cc bn vo download. Mi thng tin vui lng lin h nhom3@bangcap.com Cm n mi ngi. hieutdhn 10-13-2009, 02:00 AM Nhm 2 gi thng tin bi tp ln (cp nht 2h-13-10-2009) Bi thuyt trnh nhm 2 (http://bicweb.vn/FileUpload/Documents/KHMT2/SQA%20Group

%202%20release%2013-10.ppt) Ti liu nhm (word) (http://bicweb.vn/FileUpload/Documents/KHMT2/Tai%20lieu %20nhom%202%20-%2013-10.doc) sapphire 10-13-2009, 02:45 PM Nhm 2 gi last version ca bi tp - chuyn mc SQA Thanks!!! KHMT2_K2 10-13-2009, 03:21 PM link download bi tp ca nhm 3 b ie ri. check li nh tranmai 10-13-2009, 04:01 PM t c 1 cu hi ginh cho nhm 1 l: mt phn mm yu cu c tnh chuyn nghip v tnh chuyn mn ho cao? vy nhn t no trong bi ca nhm cu th hin iu .Theo cc bn chuyn nghip v chuyn mn ho i vi 1 phn mm th hin nh th no? mrme 10-13-2009, 04:17 PM link download bi tp ca nhm 3 b ie ri. check li nh Hi link khng die chc dns ca bn phn gii km qu :) Bn truy cp trc tip theo 1 trong cc a ch ny vy nh http://222.255.3.89/khmt2/ http://222.255.2.232/khmt2/ http://222.255.2.233/khmt2/ http://222.255.2.234/khmt2/ PS: nn t dns theo t chc opendns phn gii chnh xc nht cc tn min dns1: 208.67.222.222 dns1: 208.67.220.220 Cinderella 10-13-2009, 04:35 PM Theo t c bit th cc cu hi c nhn ca tng thnh vin phi c np cho nhm trng nhm ri trng nhm tng hp li sau mi bui bo v gi cho cc nhm v gi vo mail chung ca lp (CC cho c thy Lu na). Ch c vit cu hi nn y th khi cc nhm khc ng bi cc bn khc tm rt mt v lng bi post s ko th kim sot c!!! y l kin ca mnh! ngocha 10-13-2009, 10:38 PM h. th nhm 4 u nh? Cinderella 10-13-2009, 11:47 PM H nay bn Nguyt c ni n vn tr li offline trn din n vi mi nhm 1 topic. Theo mnh y cng l 1 kin rt hay. Nhng cc nhm nn tng hp li thnh 1 file

DOC ri post ln tng box nh ca cc nhm, nhm hp s post li tr li, ch ai post th tr li ngi cng s kh lng kim sot nhanh v gy ln xn cho cc bn vo xem thng tin tr li. y l kin ring ca mnh! MOD lp cho kin! Cinderella 10-13-2009, 11:53 PM Theo kin ca Hng l cc trng nhm ghi a ch email li thng nht nhn cu hi ca cc nhm, ko nhn mail ring nh, thng tin Hng b th! Hacker_thtvn 10-13-2009, 11:56 PM c th hc c mn CNPM nng cao 1 cch tt nht mnh c 1 s kin nh sau: 1. Mi 1 nhm s cung cp ln forum a ch hm th ca nhm mnh, cc thnh vin trong lp v ngoi lp c cu tr li i vi tng nhm s gi c th cu tr li qua email , v cc nhm s c trch nhim tm hiu cu tr li v post li hon chnh tt c cc cu tr li trn forum mi ngi c hiu c 1 cch tt nht. Theo cc bn kin ny c th thc hin c ch? lenhuanh 10-14-2009, 08:23 AM ngh LAN kim tra li ti ca nhm 6 - mn CNPMNC ca mnh vi. Hm bc thm mnh nhn c 2 Slide 3. Tc l chng 3+4 trong slide 3 (kim th - qun l cu hnh); v nh vy nhm mnh s lm v kim th hp en v kim th so snh ch ko phi l Trin khai SQA u. Kim tra li v pm sm cho mnh ci nha . THank su_gia_hoa_binh19872005 10-14-2009, 08:35 AM y l ti liu hon chnh nhm 5 vi ti: " tin cy phn mm v an ton phn mm". Cc bn tham kho v cho kin ng gp ti liu t hiu qu tt nht. Mi kin, thc mc xin gi v mail: cmp_haui@yahoo.com . Xin chn thnh cm n ! hieutdhn 10-14-2009, 08:45 AM ng dy nng ca nhm 2. Email: hieutd@bicweb.vn Mob.: 09 4747 2300 Rt mong nhn c kin ong gp ca cc bn. quoclinh 10-14-2009, 09:00 AM Bn no hiu r hn v phn bi tp c nhn th bo mnh vi, c phi l ghi li tt c cc kin v cu hi cng nh cu tr li trong bui bo v, cho kin nhn xt ca bn thn mnh? Ut_nho 10-14-2009, 09:23 AM Theo mnh th mi bn phi c 3 bi, gii p 3 vn m mnh hiu r. C th chn cc vn gt mc m cc bn nu cu hi trn lp hoc vn no bn c cch hiu suy lun khc cng c th trnh by. thuycn_83 10-14-2009, 10:38 AM

Bi tp CNPMNC ca nhm 4 cac ban vao hp th Gmail ca lp Down nhe! User: cddhkhmt2k2 Pass: ltkhmt2k2 duyenbc 10-17-2009, 10:44 PM Nhm 7 gi bi vo email cc bn nh. Cc bn vo download v nh. su_gia_hoa_binh19872005 10-17-2009, 10:50 PM Hi! y l tng hp ti liu hon chnh ca nhm 5 vi ti: " tin cy phn mm v an ton phn mm". Cc bn tham kho v ng gp kin nha! Mi kin ng gp xin gi vo a ch mail: cmp_haui@yahoo.com. Cm n cc bn rt nhiu! ngocha 10-18-2009, 02:43 PM ngh LAN kim tra li ti ca nhm 6 - mn CNPMNC ca mnh vi. Hm bc thm mnh nhn c 2 Slide 3. Tc l chng 3+4 trong slide 3 (kim th - qun l cu hnh); v nh vy nhm mnh s lm v kim th hp en v kim th so snh ch ko phi l Trin khai SQA u. Kim tra li v pm sm cho mnh ci nha . THank C g nhm ln y khng vy? Nhm H cng bc trng 2 slide 3 m. Tc l Kim th hp en v kim th so snh. Vy l nh th no? Chc chn mt iu l nhm t s khng i li ti v nhm t gn hon thnh ri. T xin khng nh l nhm t bc trng ti trn v t vn gi cu bc thm hm trc CBL a. Mong bn lp ph xem xt li vic ny. Cinderella 10-18-2009, 10:54 PM Ti liu ca nhm 9 - Phin bn 1 ti: Cng cu kim th t ng - Chin lc kim th File: DOC + PPT Link: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mhmnojwj3yo Or: Email chung ca lp. Mi kin ng gp cng nh cc cu hi ca cc nhm cho nhm mnh xin gi vo a ch email: Leehaira@gmail.com Nhm mnh s gii p tt c nhng thc mc ca cc bn v c gng hon thin phin bn cui cng sao cho y v ng nht. Xin chn thnh cm n! Mr ngu 10-19-2009, 12:37 PM xem qua slide ca nhm6 v kt qu l 100% trng vi phn nhm 8 bn mnh lm.Chc bui tho lun hm nay 2 nhm s tho lun chung v ti ny nhiu y ngocha 10-19-2009, 01:24 PM

Khng th nh th c. V trong bng phn cng th nhm Nh Anh vn phi lm ng theo l trnh. Nu lm ti nh nhm ca mnh l khng hp l. lenhuanh 10-19-2009, 02:35 PM Nhm 6 s lm li. Lm trin khai SQA. nemonb 10-19-2009, 10:48 PM Trong bui tho lun hm nay ca nhm 7, mnh c gp tr li sai, gi v check li mi bit. Thnh tht xin li nhm 7 nh. Tin y share vi cc bn mt cht ti liu mnh c c v White box: http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=71c3822ab5dc1c30d956df2962098fcbbf51b935 d32f2c8777b784fef9ed9be3 Hacker_thtvn 10-19-2009, 11:45 PM Gia nh trn thnh cm n! Nhng t vn cha bit bn, bn hy cho mnh bit thng tin c nhn nhm s hu t! Pink 10-20-2009, 02:53 PM Ti liu ca nhm 9 - Phin bn 1 ti: Cng cu kim th t ng - Chin lc kim th File: DOC + PPT Link: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mhmnojwj3yo Or: Email chung ca lp. Mi kin ng gp cng nh cc cu hi ca cc nhm cho nhm mnh xin gi vo a ch email: Leehaira@gmail.com Nhm mnh s gii p tt c nhng thc mc ca cc bn v c gng hon thin phin bn cui cng sao cho y v ng nht. Xin chn thnh cm n! T c kin l mi thc mc v tr li th post lun trn din n ny th mi ngi s c c v cng trao i, ch gi vo mail th din n lp phng c ch chi? (javascript: leoHighlightsIFrameClose();) Cinderella 10-20-2009, 08:12 PM Ko, tt nhin l nu nhm no gi vo mail th nhm mnh vn post li trn y di dng file DOC (cu hi v cu tr li), cn nu cc bn post ln y th cng nn th (File nh km), cn nu nhng cu hi v cu tr li ngn qu th mi nn vit bnh thng, vn trao i bi c bnh thng. iamtc586 10-21-2009, 09:04 AM Mnh nhm 1 c phn ny mnh lm m vn cha hiu. Cc bn cng tham gia tho lun nh. l phn cch o cht lng phn mm. Cc bn theo di bc hnh sau http://hauionline.com/%3Ca %20href=http://photo.zing.vn/photo/gallery_preview/allsize.9751307.html

%20target=_blank %3E[IMG]http://img.photo.zing.vn/file_uploads/gallery/w642h/q42008/2009/10/21/08/778 41256088043.bmp Hnh 1 http://img.photo.zing.vn/file_uploads/gallery/w642h/q42008/2009/10/21/08/645112560880 47.png (http://photo.zing.vn/photo/gallery_preview/allsize.9751308.html) y l hnh minh ha trong slide ca thy Lu. Mnh mun tho lun lm r hn cc khi nim trong hnh . y ta cn lm r mt s khi nim: - Cc c trng nh tnh cht lng? - Th hin? - o? V trn chng ta thy l o gin tip. Vy o trc tip c khng v o nh th no? Mong cc bn tham gia tho lun si ni nh:D sapphire 10-21-2009, 09:23 AM Ci o ca th hin kia khng phi l 21 khi nim o sao :( iamtc586 10-21-2009, 09:48 AM y vn phi hay khng phi bn i. M vn l bn c bt v na th post ln cho mi ngi cng tho lun. V phn mnh lm khng i chi tit qu u m l lm tng qut.(cch thc nh hehe):D sapphire 10-21-2009, 10:20 AM Mnh nhm 1 c phn ny mnh lm m vn cha hiu. Cc bn cng tham gia tho lun nh. l phn cch o cht lng phn mm. Cc bn theo di bc hnh sau http://hauionline.com/%3Ca %20href=http://photo.zing.vn/photo/gallery_preview/allsize.9751307.html %20target=_blank %3E[IMG]http://img.photo.zing.vn/file_uploads/gallery/w642h/q42008/2009/10/21/08/778 41256088043.bmp Hnh 1 y l hnh minh ha trong slide ca thy Lu. Mnh mun tho lun lm r hn cc khi nim trong hnh . y ta cn lm r mt s khi nim: - Cc c trng nh tnh cht lng? - Th hin? - o? V trn chng ta thy l o gin tip. Vy o trc tip c khng v o nh th no? Mong cc bn tham gia tho lun si ni nh:D Sapphire ko bt b cu ch ca bn, nhng bn hi sao mnh tr li vy thi. Bn l ngi thc hin phn 21 o m cn cn lm r khi nim sao? Trong file .doc ca nhm 1 cng c th chi tit v khi nim m.

Cc c trng nh tnh cht lng chnh l tnh ng n, tin cy... . Mi c trng nh tnh s c th hin nh gi qua cc o -> Minh ha mi tn quan h gia o v c trng nh tnh. Cn v sao n l gin tip m khng phi l trc tip th theo mnh ngh c th l v cc o ch phn nh phn no c trng nh tnh ca sn phm phn mm. Mi c trng nh tnh c th gm nhiu o do thiu 1 o cng khng hn kt lun c rng phn mm khng c tnh tin cy hay ng n ... --> Khng c hnh thc o trc tip Nu hiu sai mong cc bn ch gip. hieutdhn 10-22-2009, 11:27 PM Ti sao phi kim th phn mm? Mc tiu kim th l g? T c quan nim gi sai v kim th phn mm? Kim th phn mm l yu t quyt nh ca SQA v khu in hnh ca r sot c t thit k v lp m L do cn kim th phn mm: mun nhn thy phn mm nh l mt phn t ca h thng hot ng Hn ch chi ph phi tr cho cc tht bi do li gy ra sau ny c k hoch tt cho sut qu trnh pht trin Tm quan trng. Kim th chim: 40% tng cng sc pht trin >=30% tng thi gian pht trin Vi phn mm nh hng ti sinh mng chi ph c th gp t 3 dn 4 ln tng chi ph khc cng li Mc tiu kim th (Glen Myers): Kim th l mt qu trnh vn hnh chng trnh tm ra li. V vy: Mt ca kim th tt l ca kim th c xc sut cao trong vic tm ra mt li cha c pht hin Mt ca kim th thng li l mt ca kim th lm l ra c t nht mt li cn cha c pht hin Mt ca kim th thng li lm l ra khim khuyt, ng thi mang li cc li ch ph: chng t rng cc chc nng phm mm lm vic tng ng vi c t, chng t cc yu cu thc thi l ph hp c thm cc ch s tin cy phn mm v cc ch s v cht lng phn mm ni chung Kim th khng th chng minh c vic khng c khim khuyt, n ch c th chng minh rng khim khuyt phn mm hin hu Ngi ta thng c nhng quan nim sai g v kim th phn mm? - Ngi pht trin khng tham gia kim th - Phn mm c cng b mt cch rng ri ngi l kim th n mt cch tn nhn

- Ngi kim th ch quan tm khi kim bt u - Kim th c th chng minh c phn mm khng c khim khuyt - Php kim th thnh cng l kim th khng tm ra li no - Ch cn kim th mt ln C nhng vn g t ra khi trin khai SQA? Li chca SQA l g? Nguyn tc chi ph hiu qu ca SQA l g? - SQA c nhng vn sau y + Kh thit lp trong mt t chc nh: kh c ngun lc thc hin cc hot ng cn thit m hin cha c. + N biu th mt thay i c tnh vn ho: nn chng bao gi d dng thc hin + N i hi tiu tn khng t tin - SQA c nhng li ch sau y: + Phn mm c t cc khim khuyt tim n hn v do mt t cng sc v thi gian kim th v bo tr. + tin cy cao hn v do khch hng tho mn hn + Gim ph tn bo tr + Gim ph tn tng th ton b vng i ca phn mm - Nguyn tc chi ph: mc c bn SQA c xem l hiu qu v chi ph nu C3>C1 + C2 y: + C3 l chi ph t cc sai do khng c SQA + C1 l chi ph cho SQA ca chng trnh + C2 l chi ph do cc sai khng tm thy khi chng trnh c SQA hieutdhn 10-22-2009, 11:45 PM Cu hi: kim th Alpha l g? Kim th Beta l g? Tr li: Kim th Alpha c bn pht trin tin hnh Phn mm s c dng trong bi cnh t nhin ngi pht trin "ng vai" ngi s dng v bo co cc sai v cc vn s dng c tin hnh trong mt mi trng c iu khin (theo k hoch ca ngi pht trin) Kim th Beta c mt hay nhiu ngi t hng tin hnh Khng c s tham gia ca nh pht trin. Ap dng phn mm trong mi trng thc, khng c s kim sot ca ngi pht trin Khch hng s bo co tt c cc vn (thc hoc tng tng) m h gp trong qu trnh kim th cho ngi pht trin mt cch nh k Da theo bo co ngi pht trin tin hnh sa i v chun b phn phi bn pht hnh cho ton b khch hng. Ut_nho 10-23-2009, 09:10 AM

http://img.photo.zing.vn/file_uploads/gallery/w642h/q42008/2009/10/21/08/645112560880 47.pngTrc ht nh gi c Cht lng Sn phm th c s tham gia ca 2 nhn t l ngi dng v nh pht trin (ngi dng th thy c cht lng SP qua thc t ca qu trnh s dng c thun tin, hiu qu phn nh. Cn Nh pht trin th nh gi cht lng SP gc ca nh chuyn mn). o c Cht lng sn phm bc u phi a ra c nhng nhn nh chung, khi nim c trng v nh tnh cht lng cho sn phm . Nh l: m bo cht lng phn mm th phi m bo cc c trng nh tnh l: mm do, d bo tr th bc ny phi a ra cc khi nim mm do, d bo tr ca PM l g? t cc bc tip theo da trn n m thc hin cho ng hng. Bc tip theo l t cc c trng nh tnh cht lng ta a ra cc th hin c trng. Tc l c th hn vo cc th hin thy r trn cht lng sn phm t nhng c trng chung rt ra t bc trc v phi tr li c nhng th hin c trng l th hin g?(ty vo tng phn mm c th) T Cc th hin c trng thy tm ra nhng th hin no o c v nghin cu xem nn s dng cc o no (trong 21 o) th ph hp v hiu qu cao. T tin hnh o. Do tnh cht c trng nh tnh ca cht lng phn mm nn khng th o trc tip c trng, m ch c th o gin tip cht lng phn mm. Ch o c mt s ci g biu th cht lng phn mm m thi l cc o ca c trng tng mt cht lng phn mm ( l iu mi tn xanh th hin)./. sapphire 10-24-2009, 03:37 PM Cu hi cho nhm 1: C nhng m hnh tin cy no? N da trn tham bin no v trn gi thit no? M hnh tin cy lm g? ngocha 10-25-2009, 04:04 PM http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d2c40dc3118618dce7c82ed4b8f0c380d9bd2b64 d3dd6908480654b192e70f3f y l ti liu chi tit ca Nhm 8. Tn ti: "Kim th hp en v kim th so snh". a ch lin h: zaizai_ls2000@yahoo.com Mi kin ng gp cc bn c th lin h theo a ch trn. Rt mong nhn c s ng gp ca cc bn. Cinderella 10-25-2009, 09:14 PM Thng tin tham kho: Cc chun SQA DOD-STD-2167A: cng ngh phn mm DOD-STD-2168: nh gi cht lng phn mm FAA-STD-018: chun SQA cho FAA IEEE Sst. 730-1984: k hoch SQA IEEE Sst. 983-1986: lp k hoch SQA IEEE Sst. 1028-1988: kim ton v r sot phn mm

IEEE Sst. 1012-1986: k hoch kim th v thm nh phn mm khachung225 10-26-2009, 02:01 AM mnh xin gi phn ngin cu cai nhm 10. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mh4mdlzh2zm mong cc bn ng gp kin. mi kin ng gp xin gi v mail. khachung225@gmail.com hoc nguyencongquyet@gmail.com cm n cc bn! lenhuanh 10-26-2009, 01:04 PM Bo co ca nhm 6 http://www.mediafire.com/?nzujyh5yx0m ti: trin khai SQA kin ng gp xin gi v: lenhuanh@gmail.com ngocha 10-26-2009, 04:04 PM Phin bn update ln 1: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wzmeyyzmwnz Tn nhm: nhm 8 a ch lin h v ng gp kin: http://vn.myblog.yahoo.com/nhom8_tin2k2 Cinderella 10-26-2009, 04:22 PM Nhm 9 Update Ver.2 (Cng khng khc nhiu lm) Mi thc mc cc bn xin gi v mail: leehaira@gmail.com nhm s gii p sm nht c th! http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mxjkhzxzjrv Cinderella 10-26-2009, 11:03 PM Sau khi mn hc CNPM nng cao kt thc mnh s gi cho mi ngi Ebook ngn: Bt u tr thnh 1 Tester (ng di gc ca ngi cha bit g v Tester, tuy rng mnh ko phi l 1 tester cng nh khng dm ma ru qua mt nhng tester, ngoi ra mnh cng s ni 1 cht v QA, mt ngh cng kh thu ht cc bn n IT khi mi ra trng). Cc bn no quan tm xin hy gh qua Topic ny khi b mn ny kt thc nh! Nhn tin xin nhc li l mi thc mc cng nh cc cu hi cho nhm 9 xin gi v Mail: Leehaira@gmail.com Ut_nho 10-27-2009, 08:35 PM theo nh ngha ca Boehm: *Xc minh(verification) l s kim tra xem sn phm c ng vi c t khng, tc l ch trng vo vic pht hin li lp trnh. *Thm nh(validation) l s kim tra xem sn phm c p ng c nhu cu ngi dng

khng, c hot ng hiu qu khng, tc l ch trng vo vic pht hin li phn tch, li thit k. Tm li, mc ch ca thm nh v xc minh l pht hin v sa li phn mm v nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm. Xc minh v thm nh phi c tin hnh tng cng on pht trin phn mm ch khng ch khu kim th khi pht trin xong m ngun. su_gia_hoa_binh19872005 10-30-2009, 09:15 AM Ngi hi: H Mnh Tuyn Nhm 8 Ni dung: Nhm 5 c trnh by v cng thc tnh tin cy ca mt phn mm. Mnh xin hi gi tr ca tin cy l bao nhiu xc nh c xem phn mm c tin cy hay khng? Tr li: Cng thc tnh tin cy c nh ngha nh sau: Vi cc h thng da trn my tnh th mt s o n gin v tin cy chnh l thi gian trung bnh gia hai ln tht bi k tip (MTBF- Mean Time Between Failure): MTBF = MTTF + MTTR Trong : - MTTF (Mean Time To Failure) l thi gian hot ng lin tc trung bnh - MTTR (Mean Time To Repair) l thi gian sa xong li trung bnh. ngha: MTBF l cch o hu ch hn nhiu so vi t s s khim khuyt/KLOC (LOC-Line Of Code) v ngi dng cui cng quan tm ti nhng tht bi ch khng quan tm m li (nh nghin cu). Do cc li trong chng trnh khng c cng mc (nng, nh khc nhau) nn s cc li ch cho ta mt ch s nh v tin cy ca h thng. V d: Khi a 1 chng trnh vo vn hnh trong 14 thng , trong cc li cha c pht hin c li ch c pht hin sau dm chc nm, cc li cn li vi MTBF khong 18 - 24 thng . T cng thc v ngha tin cy va nu phn trn ta c nhn xt nh sau: Khng th o c gi tr c th ca tin cy v trong tng trng hp c th th tin cy li cho nhng gi tr khc nhau, tuy nhin c th xc nh c phn mm c ng tin cy hay khng ta phi qua thi gian s dng phn mm. Ut_nho 10-30-2009, 09:12 PM SQA KHNG phi l ngh "hc trong cng vic" h l nhng ngi lm phn mm c kinh nghim v c hun luyn thc hin cng vic SQ. m bo cht lng v trnh thin lch no , nhiu cng ty yu cu tin hnh bi "bn th ba c lp thay v ngi ang lm vic trong d n. IEEE xc nh tnh c lp trong ba min: c lp k thut, c lp qun l, v c lp ti chnh. Ngi SQA, ngi khng tham gia vo pht trin phn mm t ti c lp k thut. Do ngi SQA dng tri thc chuyn gia ca h nh gi cc qui trnh v sn phm phi KHNG lm vic trong d n hay bo co cho ngi qun l d n. c lp qun l yu cu p ng cho n lc ny cn c tin hnh bi mt t chc tch bit vi t chc phn mm do t chc SQA phi KHNG l mt phn ca t chc phn mm. T chc SQA la cc cu phn

ca phn mm m h mun kim th, chn cc k thut kim th, lp lch biu, v la cc vn v ti liu k thut ring kim im tng ng theo cc qui trnh v th tc SQA xc nh. c lp ti chnh l kh bi v phn ln cng vic ca d n, k c SQA, thng c cng ty ti tr trc tip. p ng yu cu ny, cng ty phi tch vic ti tr cho SQA khi ti trn cp cho d n trnh xung t v nu khng c vic tch ri ti tr, ngi qun l d n c th loi b vic cp ngn qu cho SQA nu h khng c tho mn vi cng vic ca SQA hay khng ng vi nhng pht hin ca nhm ny. (y l 1 t t liu mnh c c trn internet, nu bn no c kinh nghim hay hiu bit theo hng khc mong cng tho lun, gp cng hiu vn ny 1 cch hp l nht!) lanorc 10-31-2009, 09:31 AM + Cac nhom h, nh la th 2 mang cac cu hoi ma moi ngi a hoi i np cho thy nhe( giay ma moi nguoi gui cho cac nhom ay). Nhom L co it cu hoi co, hm nay co ai co cho nhom L na ko? I slice 1 y. thuandn 10-31-2009, 01:17 PM theo nh ngha ca Boehm: *Xc minh(verification) l s kim tra xem sn phm c ng vi c t khng, tc l ch trng vo vic pht hin li lp trnh. *Thm nh(validation) l s kim tra xem sn phm c p ng c nhu cu ngi dng khng, c hot ng hiu qu khng, tc l ch trng vo vic pht hin li phn tch, li thit k. Tm li, mc ch ca thm nh v xc minh l pht hin v sa li phn mm v nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm. Xc minh v thm nh phi c tin hnh tng cng on pht trin phn mm ch khng ch khu kim th khi pht trin xong m ngun. Rt tic l trong bui bo v mnh khng th trnh by y cho mi ngi c v vn thi gian. - Verification: Qu trnh nh gi phn mm xc nh xem cc sn phm ca mt giai on pht trin no (Requirement specification, Logical design, physical design, implement) c p ng c cc iu kin p t ti u ca giai on (c thc hin thng qua qu trnh review). - Validation: Qu trnh nh gi phn mm trong hoc cui ca qu trnh pht trin xc nh xem n tha mn cc yu cu quy nh (c thc hin thng qua qu trnh test). Ni cch khc, Verification m bo rng cc sn phm thc s p ng nhu cu ca ngi dng, v rng cc chi tit k thut c sa cha ti a im u tin, trong khi Validation l m bo rng sn phm c xy dng theo cc yu cu v thng s k thut thit k. Verification m bo rng 'bn thit k ng'. Validation m bo rng bn xy dng ng vi thit k y iu c ngha l y l hai mc kim tra khc nhau s p dng cho mi i tng cn kim tra, hai mc ny s b tr cho nhau v cng hng ti mt mc ch l nng cao cht lng cho i tng . Ch khng phi nh bn t trnh by trn ("verification - ch trng vo vic pht hin li lp trnh. validation - ch trng vo vic pht hin li phn tch, li thit k"). verification & validation l mt trong nhng i tng c xem xt chnh ca qu trnh

SQA. Di y mnh s trnh by vai tr ca SQA trong qu trnh verification & validation: 1. Verification Monitoring SQA m bo rng cc hot ng review c thc hin mt cch chnh xc bng cch gim xt qu trnh managerment review, technical review, review chnh thc v walkthroughs, Vai tr ca SQA trong qu trnh managerment review , technical review, review chnh thc v walkthroughs l quan xt v tham gia nu thy cn thit. v cui cng l xc minh rng cc thnh vin (member) thc hin ng v c a ra cc ti liu c th. SQA cng s m bo rng cc thc thi cn thit nh giao vic, lm ti liu, to lch biu v thc hin vic update s c thc thi. Vic tin hnh nhn xt chnh thc thng c thc hin vo cui mi giai on ca mt chu trnh pht trin, bng vic xem xt li mt cch tng th ton b cc sn phm to xem p ng c yu cu hay cha, liu c th sn sng chuyn sang giai on tip theo c hay khng. Vic nhn xt nh gi chnh thc c thc hin da vo vic so sch kt qu thc t vi cc tiu chun t ra ban u. Vic quyt nh c chuyn sang giai on pht trin tip theo hay khng l do ngi qun l a ra, SQA ch c trnh nhim t vn v tham gia trong qu trnh ra quyt nh. 2. Validation Monitoring SQA s bo m chc chn rng qu trnh kim th chnh thc (test) c thc hin mt cch chnh xc nh k hoch v th tc ra (unit testing, integration testing, system testing, acceptance testing). SQA s review cc ti liu test gip cho cc ti liu ny hon chnh v ng chun. vic review ti liu bao gm: test plan, test spec, test procedure v test report. Bng vic gim xt qu trnh test, SQA s m bo cho vic hon thin sn phm v sn sng cho vic giao hng. Mc tiu ca SQA trong vic gim xt qu trnh kim th chnh thc l m bo rng: Cc th tc test c tin hnh test m bo cc yu cu ca phn mm theo nh ng k hoch. Cc th tc test c kim chng Cc th tc test c tun theo Cc li tm thy trong qu trnh test th c ghi nhn li c th Bo co test c lp mt cch chnh xc v y Cc li tm thy th c gii php v c tin hnh sa cha Di y c gi l m hnh verification & validation hay cn c gi vi tn vit tt l m hnh V&V trong qu trnh pht trin phn mm. http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=dfac91bb329f964dd2db6fb9a8902bdahttp://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=dfac91bb329f964dd2db6fb9a8902bda ngocha 10-31-2009, 02:31 PM + Cac nhom h, nh la th 2 mang cac cu hoi ma moi ngi a hoi i np cho thy nhe( giay ma moi nguoi gui cho cac nhom ay). Nhom L co it cu hoi co, hm nay co ai co cho nhom L na ko? I slice 1 y.

Np my ci t giy y ? Nhm t tng hp li trong 1 file word c c khng? Nh vy gn hn rt nhiu. Ut_nho 11-01-2009, 08:12 PM Rt tic l trong bui bo v mnh khng th trnh by y cho mi ngi c v vn thi gian. - Verification: Qu trnh nh gi phn mm xc nh xem cc sn phm ca mt giai on pht trin no (Requirement specification, Logical design, physical design, implement) c p ng c cc iu kin p t ti u ca giai on (c thc hin thng qua qu trnh review). - Validation: Qu trnh nh gi phn mm trong hoc cui ca qu trnh pht trin xc nh xem n tha mn cc yu cu quy nh (c thc hin thng qua qu trnh test). Ni cch khc, Verification m bo rng cc sn phm thc s p ng nhu cu ca ngi dng, v rng cc chi tit k thut c sa cha ti a im u tin, trong khi Validation l m bo rng sn phm c xy dng theo cc yu cu v thng s k thut thit k. Verification m bo rng 'bn thit k ng'. Validation m bo rng bn xy dng ng vi thit k y iu c ngha l y l hai mc kim tra khc nhau s p dng cho mi i tng cn kim tra, hai mc ny s b tr cho nhau v cng hng ti mt mc ch l nng cao cht lng cho i tng . Ch khng phi nh bn t trnh by trn ("verification - ch trng vo vic pht hin li lp trnh. validation - ch trng vo vic pht hin li phn tch, li thit k")... t thy c 1 vn mu thun:"Verification m bo rng cc sn phm thc s p ng nhu cu ca ngi dng" vi nh ngha ut c c ca Boehm. Validation mi l s kim tra xem sp c thc s p ng nhu cu ca ngi dng ko. v nh ngha ch ni l "ch trng" ch khng ni " l cng vic ca.." chnh l: - Xc minh l s kim tra xem sp c ng vi c t ko. - Thm nh l s kim tra xem sp c p ng c nhu cu ngi dng ko, c hot ng hiu qu khng. (Ut s c bi hon chnh cho vn ny. y l ti liu hin t ang c ch ko phi l cch lp lun m h. Vy a Th ly ngun dl t u, ln lp e s a ti liu anh xem.) khachung225 11-01-2009, 11:21 PM Mnhng vi kim v xc minh v thm nh ny: Mc ch ca vic xc minh v thm nh l m bo pm ng . vic xc minh v thm nh ny khng nht thit l ti thi im kt thc Pm tc l phn mm hon thnh. M n nm vic kt thc mt tin trnh no . hy kt thc mt thi im no ,"mc quan trng ca d n bn giao cho khch hng". Xc minh th bn pht trin xc minh. Thm nh th bn khch hnh thm inh. - Xc minh l s kim tra xem sp c ng vi c t ko.

- Thm nh l s kim tra xem sp c p ng c nhu cu ngi dng ko, c hot ng hiu qu khng. Cinderella 11-02-2009, 12:07 AM y l phn tr li ca nhm 9 - ghi r cu hi ca ai v do ai tr li (File nh km) Trong s 28 cu hi m Nhm 9 nhn c c 1 cu ngoi phm vi ca nhm. Mn php c post y. Bn no c cu tr li xin vui lng li li nhn ti y hoc PM: lee_haira hoc Mail to: leehaira@gmail.com Nhm 9 xin cm n rt nhiu! Cu 7: ng Ngoan Cng & L Sn - Nhm 6: Khi bn xy dng 1 pm ng dng, cch no bn kim sot c khi n tr thnh yu t khch quan (nh hng xu ti qu trnh xy dng pm) su_gia_hoa_binh19872005 11-02-2009, 08:20 AM y l tp hp tt c cc cu hi ca cc bn v ti:" tin cy v An ton phn mm" v phn tr li tng ng ca nhm 5 (File nh km). Cc bn tham kho v ng gp kin nha! Mi kin ng gp xin gi vo hm th: cmp_haui@yahoo.com Nhm 5 xin chn thnh cm n ! ngocha 11-02-2009, 08:53 AM [/URL] (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jejwlijwjmj) y l bn tng hp cu hi ca nhm 8: [URL]http://www.mediafire.com/download.php? znmey2leymz Rt vui khi nhn c s ng gp kin t pha cc bn. Mi kin ng gp xin gi ti blog: http://vn.myblog.yahoo.com/nhom8_tin2k2 Nhm 8 xin chn thnh cm n! Ut_nho 11-02-2009, 12:04 PM Nh hn, y l chi tit v xc minh v thm nh: Xc minh v thm nh l tn gi chung ca tin trnh kim tra phn mm m bo phn mm c pht trin ng theo c t v p ng nhu cu ca ngi dng. Tuy cng nhm mc ch m bo cht lng phn mm nhng xc minh v thm nh l hai hot ng khc nhau. Theo nh nh ngha ca Boehm: - Xc minh (verification) l s kim tra xem sn phm c ng vi c t khng, tc l ch trng vo vic pht hin li lp trnh. - Thm nh (validation) l s kim tra xem sn phm c p ng c nhu cu ca ngi dng khng, c hot ng hiu qu khng, tc l ch trng vo vic pht hin li phn tch, li thit k. Tm li, mc ch ca thm nh v xc minh pht hin v sa li phn mm v nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm. Xc minh v thm nh phi c tin hnh tng cng on pht trin phn mm, ch khng ch khu kim th(testing) khi pht trin xong m ngun. V d, khu phn tch chng ta cn kim tra c t yu cu, khu thit k chng ta cn kim tra, xt duyt thit k, khu pht trin v tch hp h thng cn kim th cc modul phn mm. C th

hnh dung xc minh v thm nh l mt tin trnh bao trm ln cc bc pht trin phn mm v c lp k hoch song song vi k hoch pht trin phn mm. Trong m hnh "V" v mi quan h gia xc minh/thm nh v vic pht trin phn mm. ng vi khu phn tch yu cu chng ta lp k hoch kim th nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm, ng vi khu c t h thng chng ta cn lp k hoch kim th tch hp h thng, ng vi thit k v thit k chi tit chng ta cn lp k hoch kim th tch hp v kim th modul tng ng. Ty theo thi im v i tng ca hot ng kim tra m ngi ta cn phn bit thm nh/xc minh tnh v thm nh/xc minh ng. Xc minh v thm nh tnh l s kim tra m khng thc hin chng trnh, v d nh vic xt duyt thit k, xt duyt yu cu, nghin cu m ngun, s dng cc bin i hnh thc (suy lun) kim tra tnh ng n ca chng trnh. Xc minh v thm nh c tin hnh mi khu trong vng i phn mm. Phng php ny c mt s u im nh d tin hnh, c th ng thi pht hin mt s li phn mm. Ngi ta thng to mt s danh mc kim tra (check list) kim tra chng trnh ngun, danh mc ny thng thay i ty theo ngn ng c s dng. V l thuyt, thng qua hot ng ny khng th nh gi mt cch tng th tnh hiu qu ca phn mm. Xc minh v thm nh ng l s kim tra thng qua vic thc hin chng trnh, c tin hnh sau khi pht trin chng trnh (m ngun). Hin y l k thut kim tra c p dng ph bin nht. (cn gi l s kim th chng trnh) Tm li: Xc minh v thm nh l cc hot ng quan trng trong vic m bo cht lng phn mm. Xc minh nhm mc ch kim tra tnh chnh xc ca cc modul so vi c t cn thm nh nhm mc ch kim tra kh nng p ng ca phn mm i vi ngi dng. Xc minh v thm nh c tin hnh xuyn sut trong qu trnh pht trin phn mm.C hai hng nu trn u rt quan trng v chng b khuyt ln nhau. Mt trong cc hot ng xc minh v thm nh quan trng l tin hnh kim th phn mm. Kim th cn tin hnh nhiu mc v phi hp nhiu k thut khc nhau Ut_nho 11-02-2009, 12:05 PM Ca kim th trong kim th hp en c thit k da trn c t yu cu, ti liu ngi dng. Cn thit k 1 ca kim th bao gm: Tn ca modul c kim th D liu vo D liu ra mong mun (ng) D liu ra thc t (khi tin hnh kim th) Cc ca kim th nn c thit k khi chng ta to cc ti liu phn tch v thit k phn mm ch khng phi l khi vit xong m ngun Ut_nho 11-02-2009, 12:06 PM Nu ni thc hin kim th phn mm cho n khi n cn hot ng l sai. Qu trnh kim th khng m bo pht hin ht cc khim khuyt ca phn mm, tuy nhin ngi ta cn dng li mt thi im thch hp. i vi kim th hp en v kim th hp trng thng thng ngi ta dng kim th khi thc hin ht cc trng hp c thit k pht hin khuyt tt. Cn i vi kim th nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm nh kim th thng k ngi ta thng quyt nh dng kim th da trn mt s tiu ch:

Ht thi gian cho kim th Ht kinh ph cho kim th t n cn bng v hiu qu: im cn bng l khi pht hin v khc phc mt s lng ln li, phn mm t n mt cht lng c th chp nhn c v nu tip tc kim th th chi ph cho vic pht hin li khng thp hn chi ph cho vic sa li nu li xy ra. y chnh l tiu ch quan trng nht khi xem xt vic tip tc hay dng kim th hieutdhn 11-02-2009, 04:26 PM Cc bn thng cm hm nay mnh c cht vic bn gi mi online gi cho mi ngi c. http://bicweb.vn/Group2.doc khachung225 11-02-2009, 04:42 PM Xain cm n cc bn ng gp cu hi cho nhm 10: Nhm 10 nguyn cu v: Slide 1 .O {color:black; font-size:149%;} a:link {color:#E2D700 !important;} a:active {color:#009DD9 !important;} a:visited {color:#85DFD0 !important;} T chc kim th v qun l cu hnh. xin gi cc bn phn cu hi v cu tr li ca nhm. [/URL][url]http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?znjmk0edwom (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wwzan1hzwdw) rt mong nhn c nhiu cu hi v ng gp cu cc bn. Nhm 10 xin cm n cc bn. c s thc mc v cu hi hay cu tr li xin cc bn gi mail v mail: khachung225@gmail.com hoc nguyencongquyet@gmail.com nemonb 11-02-2009, 11:13 PM http://www.segvn.org/improDetail?id=220 Link ny c th b die ri C th dng link cache ny thay th. http://74.125.153.132/search? q=cache:ORtgw8PbaUEJ:www.segvn.org/forum/mvnforum/viewthread_thread,180+ti %E1%BA%BFp+c%E1%BA%ADn+h%C 3%ACnh+th%E1%BB %A9c+cho+SQA&cd=3&hl=vi&ct=clnk&gl=vn Mr ngu 11-03-2009, 01:03 AM Nu ni thc hin kim th phn mm cho n khi n cn hot ng l sai. Qu trnh kim th khng m bo pht hin ht cc khim khuyt ca phn mm, tuy nhin ngi ta cn dng li mt thi im thch hp. i vi kim th hp en v kim th hp trng thng thng ngi ta dng kim th khi thc hin ht cc trng hp c thit k pht hin khuyt tt. Cn i vi kim th nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm nh kim th thng k

ngi ta thng quyt nh dng kim th da trn mt s tiu ch: Ht thi gian cho kim th Ht kinh ph cho kim th t n cn bng v hiu qu: im cn bng l khi pht hin v khc phc mt s lng ln li, phn mm t n mt cht lng c th chp nhn c v nu tip tc kim th th chi ph cho vic pht hin li khng thp hn chi ph cho vic sa li nu li xy ra. y chnh l tiu ch quan trng nht khi xem xt vic tip tc hay dng kim th Mnh l Nguyn c Thanh thnh vin nhm 8 y l cu ca bn Trn Vit Dng Nhm: 3 9. Theo cc bn th kim th hp en bt u giai on no ? v n dng li khi no? V kin ca bn Ca kim th trong kim th hp en c thit k da trn c t yu cu, ti liu ngi dng. Cc ca kim th nn c thit k khi chng ta to cc ti liu phn tch v thit k phn mm ch khng phi l khi vit xong m ngun Nh bn bit kim th hp en l kim th da vo giao din v v th bt buc l phi c chng trnh chy(d ch l 1 modun) nn d cc ca kim th c c ln k hoach chi tit bao nhiu i na.Ch khi no c file chy th kim th hp en mi c chnh thc bt u(Trong giao on thit k phn mm bn ch c th ln k hoch kim th ch ko th kim th hp en) Cn v vn Khi no dng li Theo Thng l: +)Ht thi gian cho kim th +)Ht kinh ph cho kim th Mnh ngh y l kin sai Nh chnh Thng ni:Kim th hp en v hp trng l kim th tm ra khuyt tt ca phn mm. Nu kim th c dng li->bn giao cho ngi mua.Nhng trong giao on s dng li xut hin li(v mi ln dng phm mm vn c coi nh mt ln kim th hp en).Nu li y nh c th b qua,nhng nu li ln gy nh hng n chng trnh.Ngi s dng s c kin ngay vi nh sn xut,nh sn xut s da vo ti liu ngi s dng bo co kim th li li xem c ng th khng v c chin lc sa li Mnh c v d rt c th nh sau: Game online(phn mm gii tr) Th gii hon m c cng ty cng ty Bejing Perfect World (Trung Quc) sn xut v c Cng ty Quang Minh DEC mua bn quyn pht hnh c quyn ti Vit Nam t ngy 01/06/2007.Mc d c test rt k trc khi bn giao nhng khi bt u chnh thc i vo hot ng vi hng nghn ngi tham gia,tr chi bt u bc l cc li,Nhng li ny nhanh chng c i tc cng ty Bejing Perfect sa li.n nm 2008 khi tr chi ang thi k hong kim thu ht ng o game th;game li i mt vi mt vn khc. l hack(Vic li dng cc li ca phn mm lm li cho bn thn mnh) v mn o li c gi tr ln v tin mt.Cc hacker s dng cc cng c nh shell c99, r57, CheatEngine tin hnh kim th game t tm ra cc li c th li dng

Qua v d trn mnh chng minh rng: -Ngay c khi phn mm c bn giao,kim th hp en vn c tin hnh v do ngi s dng m nhn v cng nhiu ngi s dng th kh nng tm c li l cng cao,c bit vi cc phn mm trc tuyn nh game online hay thanh ton in t,Nu bn l mt hacker bn c th kim th mt chng trnh no bt c khi no bn mun v vi bt c cch no bn c th -Trong bui bo v cui bn ni l "chi ph cho vic kim th hp en l tn km" l sai, V kim th hp en da vo giao din(m giao din by gi qu d s dng) v ch quan tm n gi tr vo/ra m trc mi ca kim th c sn bng cng vic cn lm v gi tr so snh. Trong phn u im ca kim th hp en cng ni Ngi kim th phn mm khng cn c mt kin thc su rng v c t v ngn ng lp trnh..Nh vy nhn cng cho vic kim th hp en l khng h cao v cng vic cng khng h kh khn -Bn cng hi l:Nu trong giao on a vo s dng m vn tin hnh kim th th chi ph ly u ra? Mnh xin tr li l: Bao gi khi mua mt phn mm th ngi sn xut cng c mt thi gian bo hnh cho phn mm mnh bn,trong giai on y nu ngi s dng pht hin li s lun c kim th li l bo tr min ph Vi nhng phn mm ln v c gi tr s dng lu di,ngi mua lun c k hoch mua cc phin bn cp nht ca chnh phn mm mnh ang s dng b sung thm cc modul,fix cc li nh kChi ph ny nh sn xut tin hnh cc ca kim th.Trong v d trn Game Th gii hon m lin tc c mua cc phin bn cp nht t bn 01 hin n ngy hm nay l phin bn 102. Mnh khng bit bit ti liu Thng s dng l ngun u v t nm no,c th vui lng share cho Thanh bit khng.Trn y ch l nhng g mnh tm hiu v suy ngh,nu Thng hay bn no mun b sung hay tranh lun mnh rt vui lng. P/S) hm nay do thi gian hn ch mnh thy c rt nhiu cu hi c cc bn trong lp chun b rt cng phu(V d nh ca bn Hng B th,ca bn nh Anh) nhng m khng c thi gian trnh by.Cc bn c th vui lng post ln din n mi ngi cng tho lun khng? ngocha 11-03-2009, 09:02 AM Mnh l: Nng Th Ngc H (Nhm 8) Xin b sung cu tr li ca bn Thanh (Nhm 8) Trc tin, mnh thay mt nhm 8 xin cm n bn t Thng nhit tnh ng gp kin. Sau y mnh xin nu ra kin ca mnh: Nh bn Thng ni "nu nh vic kim th c tin hnh khi bn giao cho khch hng a vo s dng m vn kim th th chi ph ly u? Bi v, chi ph cho vic kim th khng nhiu. " Mnh xin nu ra kin nh sau: Khi tin hnh xy dng mt phn mm thng thng cc nh qun l h lun lp cc k hoch cho vic vit phn mm theo tng giai on v tt c cc giai on u c tnh v d tr v kinh ph. V d nh: chi ph v mt thi gian, chi ph v nhn lc c bit l chi ph v tin...Ngay c giai on bo hnh cng cn phi c chi ph. Vic kim th hp en c tip tc tin hnh khi khch hng thng bo v li cng u c cc nh qun l phng v c kinh ph cho giai on ny.V vy, nu nh trong qu trnh s dng khch hng c pht hin ra li phn

mm th qu trnh kim th v test li, fix li cc li phn mm chc chn s c thc hin. 063106222 11-03-2009, 09:14 AM Mnh thy nu ch hi v tr li trn 1 thread s b chng cho thng tin. V th yu cu cc nhm t to thread ( ch m)i, tn l s nhm+ ti. v d: Nhm 9: Kim th t ng v Quy trnh kim th. Trong , post ln ton b ti liu nhm bn, gip mi ngi tra cu ti liu d dng hn Khi post bi, hy li thng tin c nhn ca bn. ngocha 11-03-2009, 01:21 PM T ngh vic to thread ring s tt hn. Nhng bn th ngh, lp chng ta c 10 nhm, mi nhm 1thread th s rt nhiu. Vic qun l box ca lp s kh khn hn. Khng bit nh nhm t thc hin th Thy c hng ng khng. Nhng theo t, CBL v tt c cc nhm trng nn thng nht li xem th no l hp l v d s dng vi mi ngi nht. Ut_nho 11-04-2009, 10:28 AM Mnh khng ng vi bn Thanh: "Nh bn bit kim th hp en l kim th da vo giao din v v th bt buc l phi c chng trnh chy(d ch l 1 modun) nn d cc ca kim th c c ln k hoach chi tit bao nhiu i na.Ch khi no c file chy th kim th hp en mi c chnh thc bt u(Trong giao on thit k phn mm bn ch c th ln k hoch kim th ch ko th kim th hp en)"_ mnh vn bo ton kin: Cc ca kim th nn c thit k khi chng ta to cc ti liu phn tch v thit k phn mm. Gii thch: kim th hp en trc tin phi xy dng cc ca kim th, chin lc phn hoch tng ng thit k ca kim th (php th) ch ra rng phi chia min d liu vo ra thnh cc vng, m mi vng cha cc d liu c cng hnh vi. i vi mi vng d liu ch cn xy dng 1 ca kim th i din. Thm vo l cc ca kim th i vi bin gii cc vng. => r rng phi c d liu thit k, vy Cc ca kim th nn c thit k khi chng ta to cc ti liu phn tch v thit k phn mm, ch khng phi l khi vit xong m ngun. +/ bn Thanh c 2 nhm ln ca mnh: _Th nht ca t l :Kim th hp en khng phi l khng tn km _Th hai: Nguyn vn t post hm trc: i vi kim th hp en v kim th hp trng thng thng ngi ta dng kim th khi thc hin ht cc trng hp c thit k pht hin khuyt tt. Cn i vi kim th nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm nh kim th thng k ngi ta thng quyt nh dng kim th da trn mt s tiu ch: Ht thi gian cho kim th, Ht kinh ph cho kim th, t n cn bng v hiu qu Mnh ch a thm 1 s tiu ch dng kim th vi loi kim th khc l kim th nh gi tnh dng c cc bn tham kho thi. Mnh ngh khi phn mm c chuyn n tay ngi dng v ch phn hi ca h khc phc sai st cng c trong k hoch ca d n trong mt khong thi gian nht nh. Cn nh v d ca bn Thanh Mc d c test rt k trc khi bn giao nhng khi bt u chnh thc i vo hot ng vi hng nghn ngi tham gia,tr chi bt u bc l cc

li,Nhng li ny nhanh chng c i tc cng ty Bejing Perfect sa li n nm 2008 khi tr chi ang thi k hong kim thu ht ng o game th;game li i mt vi mt vn khc phn mm ny xd t 2007 sau khi bn giao pht hin li nhanh chng khc phc (nm trong k hoch). Mt nm sau, v n ang l thi k hong kim nn theo mnh v n cn mang li nhun cao nn h li tm n nh cung cp phn mm khc phc pht trin n thay v tm mt phn mm mi (y l giai on pht trin ri). Vy mnh t ra cu hi nu phn mm tt (cha pht hin ra li) n tn ti 10 hoc 20 nm thm ch hn cc bn vn cn chu trch nhim kim th cho n h? N khng tn km nhiu khng c ngha khng tn km thi gian, cng sc, kinh ph. Nn mnh l kim th hp en ca mt i m theo sut tui th ca pm l khng ng. ng l c bo hnh_ nhng phi c im dng (bo hnh trong bao lu). Mnh xin nhn mnh li ln na: i vi kim th hp en v kim th hp trng thng thng ngi ta dng kim th khi thc hin ht cc trng hp c thit k pht hin khuyt tt. khachung225 11-04-2009, 10:37 AM Mnh xin gii thiu vi cc bn hai chng trnh m (IFI Solution) ang dng. TortoiseSVN v SmrtVN link down http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads v http://www.syntevo.com/smartsvn/download.html Gii thiu qua hi ng dng ny. hai ng dng trn dng qun l code project ca d n. khi c s thay i code c commit th ng dng to nn mt phin bn code, cc header dng cc phin bn code ny dng qun l phin bn ca project. ci hay ca ng dng ny l c th lm vic vi nhiu ngi. v d. c 5 ngi trong d n, cng lc mi ngi lm mi module khi commit th ng dng t gp cc module ny li thnh project ca d n, rt thch hp cho lm nhm. cc bn xa khng cn phi hp nhm vit code cng nh gp code. 063106222 11-04-2009, 11:55 AM T ngh vic to thread ring s tt hn. Nhng bn th ngh, lp chng ta c 10 nhm, mi nhm 1thread th s rt nhiu. Vic qun l box ca lp s kh khn hn. Khng bit nh nhm t thc hin th Thy c hng ng khng. Nhng theo t, CBL v tt c cc nhm trng nn thng nht li xem th no l hp l v d s dng vi mi ngi nht.

Theo mnh, phng n "chia tr" l thch hp trong thi gian ny. Khi m cc vn vn cha c gii quyt ht. Mnh ang thc mc l thy gio hay CBL s tng hp v bin son li bi lm ca cc nhm. Nu cc nhm thay i trong ti liu chi tit, hy up ln mi ngi cng bit. Ut_nho 11-04-2009, 11:58 AM Thanh ni kim th hp en :" nhn cng cho vic kim th hp en l khng h cao v cng vic cng khng h kh khn" l khng ng v: Theo kinh nghim cc sai st v lp trnh thng sy ra i vi cc d liu bin. Kh khn th nht :Vi cc modul c chc nng v d liu phc tp th vic phn hoch tng ng trong khi thit k ca kim th l khng h n gin v i hi kinh nghim ca ngi thit k ca kim th. Kh khn th hai l: trong nhiu trng hp chng ta kh m bo xy dng y cc ca kim th. (vn ny cc bn hon ton c th tin tng c_ ti liu 2003 ca Nguyn Vn V) rock2712 11-04-2009, 12:26 PM Mnh xin gii thiu vi cc bn hai chng trnh m (IFI Solution) ang dng. TortoiseSVN v SmrtVN link down http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads v http://www.syntevo.com/smartsvn/download.html Gii thiu qua hi ng dng ny. hai ng dng trn dng qun l code project ca d n. khi c s thay i code c commit th ng dng to nn mt phin bn code, cc header dng cc phin bn code ny dng qun l phin bn ca project. ci hay ca ng dng ny l c th lm vic vi nhiu ngi. v d. c 5 ngi trong d n, cng lc mi ngi lm mi module khi commit th ng dng t gp cc module ny li thnh project ca d n, rt thch hp cho lm nhm. cc bn xa khng cn phi hp nhm vit code cng nh gp code. Mnh l Nguyn nh Anh. Rt hng ng nu bn post ln 4 frum cch ci t v hng dn s dng ca phn mm. rock2712 11-04-2009, 12:30 PM Mnh khng ng vi bn Thanh: "Nh bn bit kim th hp en l kim th da vo giao din v v th bt buc l phi c chng trnh chy(d ch l 1 modun) nn d

cc ca kim th c c ln k hoach chi tit bao nhiu i na.Ch khi no c file chy th kim th hp en mi c chnh thc bt u(Trong giao on thit k phn mm bn ch c th ln k hoch kim th ch ko th kim th hp en)"_ mnh vn bo ton kin: Cc ca kim th nn c thit k khi chng ta to cc ti liu phn tch v thit k phn mm. Gii thch: kim th hp en trc tin phi xy dng cc ca kim th, chin lc phn hoch tng ng thit k ca kim th (php th) ch ra rng phi chia min d liu vo ra thnh cc vng, m mi vng cha cc d liu c cng hnh vi. i vi mi vng d liu ch cn xy dng 1 ca kim th i din. Thm vo l cc ca kim th i vi bin gii cc vng. => r rng phi c d liu thit k, vy Cc ca kim th nn c thit k khi chng ta to cc ti liu phn tch v thit k phn mm, ch khng phi l khi vit xong m ngun. +/ bn Thanh c 2 nhm ln ca mnh: _Th nht ca t l :Kim th hp en khng phi l khng tn km _Th hai: Nguyn vn t post hm trc: i vi kim th hp en v kim th hp trng thng thng ngi ta dng kim th khi thc hin ht cc trng hp c thit k pht hin khuyt tt. Cn i vi kim th nh gi tnh dng c ca phn mm nh kim th thng k ngi ta thng quyt nh dng kim th da trn mt s tiu ch: Ht thi gian cho kim th, Ht kinh ph cho kim th, t n cn bng v hiu qu Mnh ch a thm 1 s tiu ch dng kim th vi loi kim th khc l kim th nh gi tnh dng c cc bn tham kho thi. Mnh ngh khi phn mm c chuyn n tay ngi dng v ch phn hi ca h khc phc sai st cng c trong k hoch ca d n trong mt khong thi gian nht nh. Cn nh v d ca bn Thanh Mc d c test rt k trc khi bn giao nhng khi bt u chnh thc i vo hot ng vi hng nghn ngi tham gia,tr chi bt u bc l cc li,Nhng li ny nhanh chng c i tc cng ty Bejing Perfect sa li n nm 2008 khi tr chi ang thi k hong kim thu ht ng o game th;game li i mt vi mt vn khc phn mm ny xd t 2007 sau khi bn giao pht hin li nhanh chng khc phc (nm trong k hoch). Mt nm sau, v n ang l thi k hong kim nn theo mnh v n cn mang li nhun cao nn h li tm n nh cung cp phn mm khc phc pht trin n thay v tm mt phn mm mi (y l giai on pht trin ri). Vy mnh t ra cu hi nu phn mm tt (cha pht hin ra li) n tn ti 10 hoc 20 nm thm ch hn cc bn vn cn chu trch nhim kim th cho n h? N khng tn km nhiu khng c ngha khng tn km thi gian, cng sc, kinh ph. Nn mnh l kim th hp en ca mt i m theo sut tui th ca pm l khng ng. ng l c bo hnh_ nhng phi c im dng (bo hnh trong bao lu). Mnh xin nhn mnh li ln na: i vi kim th hp en v kim th hp trng thng thng ngi ta dng kim th khi thc hin ht cc trng hp c thit k pht hin khuyt tt. Mnh ngh l bn t thng nn ly mt vi v d v kim th hp en v hp trng minh chng cho nhng l thuyt bn a ra. Nu c th th bn to mt topic v vn ny v cc bi tp lin quan n kim th hp en v kim th hp trng.Mi ngi cng vo cng lm v trao i hiu r hn v kim th phn mm.

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