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SO ALMOST FIFTY ANYWAY ILL BE FIFTY THIS YEAR 23
EM: UM HUH 24
SO IVE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE SHE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN IN HER 25
TWENT…YOU KNOW TWENTIES I THINK SHE WAS TWENTY SIX OR SEVEN 26
EM: UM HUH 27
AND A SHE YOU KNOW SHE WAS FAIRLY NEW TO THE INDUSTRY SO SHE’D 28
CALL OUR HELP DESK FOR HELP AND SO I YOU KNOW I KINDA BUILT A 29
REPORE WITH HER SHE WAS SHE WAS A NICE WOMAN I I I REALLY LIKED 30
HER SHE WAS NICE 31
EM: OK 32
AND SHE’S SMART TO 33
EM: YEAH 34
SO UM YOU KNOW I I I THINK SHE A A ILL JUST DO YOU WANT ME JUST 35
TALK ALITTLE BIT? 36
EM: YEAH YEAH KEEP GOING GO AHEAD YOUR DOING GREAT (LAUGHING) 37
OK OK SO SHE A SHE UM SHE A SHE WAS REALLY FRIENDLY UM AND SHE 38
ALSO A SHARED A LOT OF HER PERSONAL LIFE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE 39
AROUND YOU KNOW LIKE A YOU KNOW KIND OF STUFF YOU WOULDN’T 40
EVEN WANT TO KNOW YOU KNOW? 41
EM: UM HUH 42
SO UM YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE KNEW THAT SHE HAD A YOU KNOW I 43
I HAD YOU KNOW GOING THROUGH SOME MA…MARRIAGE PROBLEMS 44
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT LAST TIME I SAW HER I I YOU KNOW SHE DIDN’T 45
SEEM YOU KNOW THAT UNHAPPY TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH THOUGH 46
EM: WHEN WAS THAT? 47
UM YOU KNOW JUST I GUESS. 48
EM: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN OR SPOKE TO HER? 49
I I GUESS I SAW HER A THE FRIDAY BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED YOU KNOW 50
SO THURSDAY FRIDAY... 51
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EM: OK 52
I WOULD SAY BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED I I I THINK THAT’S BEEN THE 53
LAST TIME I SAW HER SO 54
EM: OK 55
I GUESS THAT WAS THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS OF DECEMBER? 56
EM: UM HUH 57
UM AND A I DID DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WORK WITH HER ONCE UM 58
DO YOU KNOW 59
EM: UM HUH 60
YEAH SHE’S MY COLLEAGUE WE WORK ON THE SAME DESK AND A 61
AND UM AND A SUSAN AND I AFTER WORK ONE DAY ON SATURDAY I 62
DIDN’T WORK MANY SATURDAYS BUT A THE ONE SATURDAY WE WENT 63
TO THE UM ON 5600 WEST TOGETHER 64
EM: UM HUH 65
WE WENT THERE TO JUST YOU KNOW KINDA BROWSE I BOUGHT SOME 66
GOLF CLUBS AND SUSAN BOUGHT UM YOU KNOW LIKE SOME SOME 67
BACKPACKS FOR HER KIDS UM 68
EM: UM HUH 69
AND THAT THAT’S THE ONLY THING I EVER DID OUTSIDE OF WORK WITH 70
HER WAS JUST GO TO THE AND SHE SEEMED PRETTY HAPPY YOU 71
KNOW SHE WAS THAT THAT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE SHE 72
DISAPPEARED. 73
EM: UM HUH 74
UM BUT A YOU KNOW SHE WAS SHE WAS YOU KNOW PRETTY A HAPPY 75
PERSON USUALLY YOU KNOW SHE WAS SMIL…YOU KNOW SHE DIDN’T 76
DIDN’T TAKE MUCH FOR HER TO LAUGH OR SMILE OR 77
EM: UM HUH 78
YOU KNOW SHE WASN’T SHE WASN’T DEPRESSED OR ANYTHING IT DIDN’T 79
SEEM LIKE YOU KNOW SO THAT’S WHAT I KNEW OF HER THAT’S THAT’S 80
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ABOUT IT 81
EM: UM HUH 82
BUT A YOU KNOW SHE HAD YOU KNOW BETTER FRIENDS THAT WORKED 83
HERE THAT KNEW MORE YOU KNOW LIKE THEY I KNEW SHE DID SOME OF 84
THE LADIES HAIR A I KNEW SHE WAS A HAIR DRESSER TO ON THE SIDE 85
AND I KNOW THAT SHE DID SHE DID THE HAIR OF SEVERAL PEOPLE IN IN 86
THE OFFICE 87
EM: UM HUH 88
AND SO THOSE THOSE LADIES KNEW HER BETTER THEN ANYBODY ELSE 89
EM: UM HUH 90
I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE YOU KNOW AND A AND OF 91
COURSE YOU KNOW RIGHT? 92
EM: UM HUH RIGHT 93
YEAH SO THEY THEY KNEW HER REALLY WELL BUT SHE WAS REALLY A 94
PLEASURE TO WORK WITH I MEAN SHE WAS REALLY A NICE WOMAN UM 95
YOU KNOW 96
EM: UM HUH 97
HAD NO….NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT HER AT ALL 98
EM: HMM…K 99
SO YEAH AND I YOU KNOW ITS KINDA ODD THAT SHE WOULD YOU KNOW I 100
MEAN JUST LEAVE HER JOB I MEAN AND HER KIDS I MEAN THAT SHE JUST 101
DIDN’T SEEM REALLY LIKE THE TYPE THAT WOULD JUST GET UP AND 102
LEAVE YOU KNOW AND JUST LIKE LEAVE TOWN WITHOUT HER KIDS AND 103
YOU KNOW WITHOUT GIVIN NOTICE AT HER JOB I THINK SHE LIKED THIS 104
JOB AND I THINK SHE WAS PRETTY GOOD AT YOU KNOW 105
EM: UM HUH 106
AND SHE WAS SHE WAS PRETTY SMART SO SHE WAS DEFINITELY YOU 107
KNOW HAD NO I DON’T THINK SHE HAD ANY ANY UM NEGATIVE A WORK 108
UM YOU KNOW AN..ANYTHING HERE THAT WOULD WO…WOULD 109
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CA…CAUSE HER TO WANT TO LEAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT 110
EM: UM HUH 111
SO I I DON’T KNOW I I THINK THAT’S BASICALLY WHAT I COULD ADD TO 112
YOU’RE A REPORT THERE 113
EM: OK 114
UM DO YOU HAVE ANY LIKE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS A… 115
EM: YEAH WHAT UM SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN HER? 116
I’D SAY A TWO YEARS LIKE I YOU KNOW I KNEW HER FROM THE DAY SHE 117
STARTED HERE AND I THINK SHE WORKED HERE ABOUT TWO YEARS I I 118
COULDN’T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE SO… 119
EM: OK 120
BUT IM IM I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS 121
EM: UM HUH YOU MENTION THAT SHE WAS PRETTY A OPEN PRETTY VOCAL 122
YEAH 123
EM: SOMETIMES SHE WOULD SAY THINGS THAT PEOPLE PROBABLY MAY NOT 124
WANNA HEAR 125
YEAH 126
EM: UM THAT KINDA LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU’VE HAD SOME YOU 127
KNOW SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH HER 128
YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT SHE WAS PRETTY NEGATIVE ABOUT HER FATHER 129
IN LAW YOU KNOW UM 130
EM: TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT 131
YEAH YOU KNOW AND AND ALSO SHE SHARED A THIS IS KINDA THIS IS 132
KINDA WEIRD IS THAT UM HER FATHER IN LAW MADE A C.D. LIKE A 133
MUSICAL C.D. AND AND IT HAD LYRICS ABOUT HER IN IT AND IT WAS KIND 134
OF ODD YOU KNOW LIKE AS IN AND I I LISTENED TO IT I JUST YOU KNOW 135
CAUSE SHE LET ME 136
EM: UM HUH 137
AND UM AND IT WAS JUST LIKE KIND OF LIKE ALMOST LIKE HE WAS I 138
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DON’T KNOW KIND OF A JUST JUST IT WASN’T LIKE A NORMAL A FATHER 139
IN LAW RELATIONSHIP I THINK HE HAD YOU KNOW MAYBE YOU KNOW 140
FEELINGS FOR HER OR SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULDN’T YOU KNOW 141
EM: UM HUH 142
SO THAT WAS KIND OF ODD I THINK A SO AND HE…SHE MENTIONED IT 143
AND THIS IS SHE MENTIONED THAT UM YEAH THAT HE HE HAD LIKE COME 144
ON TO HER BEFORE BUT YOU KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF ODD 145
EM: UM HUH 146
I JUST THOUGHT SO YEAH STUFF LIKE THAT YOU KNOW STUFF THAT YOU 147
USUALLY WOULDN’T BRING UP AT WORK YOU KNOW THAT THAT TYPE OF 148
THING 149
EM: UM HUH 150
SO BUT UM BUT I DON’T THINK A I THINK HE WAS SHE WAS ABLE TO UM 151
MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BUT YOU KNOW LIKE AT KIND OF AT A 152
DISTANCE YOU KNOW 153
EM: UM HUH 154
EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD KIND OF BOTHERED HER SO BUT THAT’S THAT’S 155
ABOUT IT YOU KNOW (INAUDIBLE) 156
EM: (INAUDIBLE) OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT? 157
UM OH YOU KNOW I MEAN SHE A SHE LOVED HER KIDS OBVIOUSLY UM 158
YOU KNOW A THAT’S ABOUT IT I MEAN A THE THE ODD THING WAS THE 159
FATHER IN LAW I DIDN’T I DIDN’T REALLY GET IN…INVOLVED WITH ANY 160
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HER HUSBAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO BUT 161
I JUST REMEMBER THE FATHER IN LAW KIND OF STOOD OUT 162
EM: UM HUH 163
JUST A KIND OF A KIND OF A NEGATIVE POINT IN HER IN HER PERSONAL 164
RELATIONSHIP 165
EM: DO YOU GUYS SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR ARE YOU GUYS IN DIFFERENT 166
ROOMS? 167
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NO NO NO ACTUALLY UM A I SAT ABOUT THIRTY FEET FROM HER SO YOU 168
KNOW I COULD SEE HER A YOU KNOW WALKING AROUND SOMETIMES 169
EM: UM HUH 170
YOU KNOW I’D PASS HER PASS HER DESK THAT TYPE OF THING 171
EM: UM HUH 172
YEAH 173
EM: OK 174
I MEAN WE WE WORK IN A CALL CENTER 175
EM: RIGHT 176
SO IT’S REALLY OPEN AND A EVEN WHEN YOUR SITTING DOWN AT YOUR 177
DESK YOU CAN LOOK ACROSS AND SEE OTHER PEOPLE 178
EM: UM HUH 179
UM WERE NOT YOU KNOW IN IN TALL CUBICLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT 180
ITS ITS MORE OF A YOU KNOW LIKE IF YOU NEED HELP YOU CAN KINDA 181
YELL ACROSS AT YOUR COLLEAGUE OR 182
EM: RIGHT 183
YOU KNOW IT’S ITS PRETTY OPEN 184
EM: OK SO ABOUT A…AS FAR AS YOUR GUY’S CONVERSATIONS THE ONE 185
THING THAT STANDS OUT IS A THE FATHER IN LAW AND THOSE ISSUES? 186
YEAH THE (INAUDIBLE) 187
EM: A DON’T RECALL ANYTHING A ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HER ABOUT JOSH? 188
NO NOPE NO (INAUDIBLE) 189
EM: UM…SHE WOULD SPEAK OF HER KIDS 190
YEAH 191
EM: SHE EVER MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT JOGGING OUTSIDE? 192
NO NO BUT I I REMEMBER THAT SHE USE TO RIDE HER BIKE LIKE NOT LAST 193
SUMMER BUT THE SUMMER BEFORE 194
EM: UM HUH 195
SHE’D BEEN RIDING HER BIKE TO WORK AND THAT’S KIND OF FAR 196
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EM: WHAT WAS THAT 197
(INAUDIBLE) 198
EM: DID SHE EVER EXPRESS WHY? 199
UM YOU KNOW I MEAN I GUESS CAUSE SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CAR AND I 200
DON’T I DON’T KNOW BUT I MEAN I JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF A 201
DANGEROUS LONG RIDE FOR A A YOUNG WOMAN TO 202
EM: UM HUH 203
RIDE DOWN 5600 YOU KNOW WEST ALL THE WAY TO WORK BUT UM I SHE 204
STOPPED DOIN IT I I I KNOW SHE I DON’T THINK SHE DID IT AT ALL LAST 205
SUMMER 206
EM: UM HUH 207
BUT IT WAS THE SUMMER BEFORE SHE DID 208
EM: HMM…K 209
SO BUT NOTHING ABOUT JOGGING NO 210
EM: HOW WOULD SHE GET TO AND FROM WORK? 211
I I DON’T KNOW I I DIDN’T I DIDN’T KNOW HOW SHE GOT TO WORK A I I 212
MEAN I I DON’T KNOW 213
EM: DID YOU EVER GIVE HER A RIDE TO AND FROM WORK? 214
NO I I NEVER DID… 215
EM: OK 216
CAUSE I I LIVE UM I LIVE A ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN I LIVE NEAR UM 217
DO YOU KNOW WHERE A IS? 218
EM: UM HUH 219
ON I LIVE NEXT DOOR 220
EM: OH OK 221
TO THE 222
EM: DID YOU GUYS SPEND ANY TIME ALONE OUTSIDE OF A WORK OTHER 223
THEN THAT SATURDAY 224
NO THE ONLY 225
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EM: HAVE A INTERESTED IN ANYBODY? 255
OH NO SHE WAS INTERESTED IN MEL GIBSON (LAUGHING) 256
EM: (LAUGHING) 257
SO UM YEAH SHE SAID IF HE EVER CAME INTO TOWN SHE WOULD LEAVE 258
WITH HIM THAT’S ABOUT IT 259
EM: OK 260
(LAUGHING) 261
EM: THAT ONES FUNNY 262
I I DO RECALL THAT 263
EM: OK 264
YEAH 265
EM: UM YOU’VE NEVER HAD A WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN A RELATIONSHIP 266
WITH HER WAS INTIMATE WITH HER AT ANY… 267
ME? 268
EM: POINT IN TIME YEAH 269
OH NO NO NO WE JUST HAD A WORK RELATIONSHIP AND A YOU KNOW 270
LIKE I SAID SHE BROUGHT SOME PERSONAL THING OUT THAT I 271
MENTIONED 272
EM: UM HUH 273
WHICH I THOUGHT YOU KNOW PROBABLY WOULDN’T BE APPROPRIATE 274
NORMALLY UM SO THAT’S WHY I MENTIONED THEM TO YOU CAUSE 275
THAT’S A YOU KNOW I I WOULDN’T BE YOU KNOW MENTIONING STUFF 276
(INAUDIBLE) 277
EM: SHE NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING WITH YA ABOUT HER UM 278
RELATIONSHIP TROUBLES AT HOME? 279
NOT REALLY I MEAN EXCEPT FOR THE YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID THE 280
FATHER IN LAW 281
EM: UM HUH 282
A THAT’S THAT’S ABOUT IT 283
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EM: WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE INVOLVING THE FATHER IN LAW OTHER 284
THEN THESE A LYRICS ON THE C.D. AND A OR THE C.D. MUSIC? 285
NO A I MEAN NO 286
EM: UM… 287
I THINK THAT SHE DREADED WHEN HE WOULD COME TO TOWN 288
EM: UM HUH 289
I MEAN THAT’S ABOUT IT BUT YOU KNOW MORE OF A CREEPINESS NOT 290
LIKE I THINK A THREAT 291
EM: UM HUH 292
I I WENT AND TOLD HER I SAID WELL THESE LYRICS I MEAN ITS OBVIOUS I 293
I TOLD HER I SAID YOU KNOW THIS IS A GUY THAT’S REALLY LONELY AND 294
KINDA LIVIN HIS WELL LIVIN IN THE PAST 295
EM: UM HUH 296
OR SOMEBODY WHO WHOSE DANGEROUS BUT I I DON’T THINK THAT HE 297
WO...YOU KNOW LIKE PROBABLY WAS JUST A LONELY OLD GUY I DON’T 298
KNOW LIKE MY AGE PROBABLY (LAUGHING) SHE SHE’S LIKE IN HER 299
TWENTIES I (LAUGHING) AND HE’S PROBABLY LIKE FIFTY LIKE I AM YOU 300
KNOW (LAUGHING) 301
EM: UM HUH K 302
SO YEAH 303
EM: A LETS SEE WHAT IS IS THAT YOUR REAL NAME 304
?
YES RIGHT 306
EM: ALRIGHT WHATS YOUR DATE OF BIRTH? 307
IT’S UM THE A IT’S 308
EM: AND YOUR ADDRESS? 309
IT’S A I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO ON 310
EM: WHATS THE ZIP ? 312
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SO 371
EM: DO YOU REMEMBER ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT DREAMS? DID YOU FIND 372
THAT SHE WAS THAT SHE’D DREAM ABOUT YOU? OR DID SHE EVER 373
MENTION THAT TO ANYBODY? 374
NO NO I DON’T NO 375
EM: OK 376
NO I DON’T REMEMBER ANY ANY ANY ANY NO SHE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT 377
HER DREAMS TO ME NO 378
EM: OK 379
THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE WEIRD (LAUGHING) 380
EM: (CHUCKLE) 381
(LAUGHING) 382
EM: ALRIGHT 383
I YOU KNOW ITS IT IS A WORK PLACE AND WE WE DO WE ARE BUSY SO 384
EM: UM HUH 385
AND WE DON’T YOU KNOW I I FELT IT WAS KIND OF TO KNOW AS MUCH AS 386
I KNOW ABOUT HER PERSONAL LIFE SO 387
EM: UM HUH 388
ACTUALLY SO 389
EM: YOU SAY THE LAST TIME YOU SEEN HER WAS ON THE FOURTH OF 390
DECEMBER THAT FRIDAY WHAT WAS HER DEMEANOR PERSONALITY LIKE 391
THAT DAY? 392
YOU KNOW I I TO TO LOOK BACK THAT FAR I WOULD SAY A THERES 393
NOTHING THAT COMES TO MIND THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT I WOULD 394
SAY THAT SHE’S PROBABLY YOU KNOW JUST AS HAPPY AS SHE’D EVER 395
BEEN UM YOU KNOW I DIDN’T SEE HER IN ANY ANY NEGATIVE FUNK OR 396
ANYTHING LIKE THAT PRIOR TO HER DISAPPEARING UM NOTHING OUT OF 397
THE ORDINARY I WOULD SAY BUT THEN YOU KNOW LIKE I SAY IM NOT AS 398
CLOSE TO HER AS OTHERS SO 399
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EM: HAD YOU EVER DID YOU KNOW JOSH? OR HAD EVER MET HIM? 400
NO NEVER MET HIM 401
EM: OK 402
DON’T KNOW HIM NO LIKE I SAY THE THE ONLY THING OUTSIDE OF WORK 403
THAT I EVER DID WAS A WAS A SATURDAY AFTERNOON A AFTER WORK A 404
WHICH I DON’T USUALLY WORK ON SATURDAYS AND WE WENT TO THE 405
D.I. 406
EM: OK 407
YOU KNOW A JUST TO JUST FOR LIKE AN HOUR I GUESS I MEAN… 408
EM: OK 409
I I I DROVE MY CAR I THINK SHE WAS IN SHE MUST HAVE BEEN IN 410
’S CAR CAUSE SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CAR SO SHE WAS IN ’S CAR 411
AND THEN I YOU KNOW I LEFT THE AND WENT DIRECTLY HOME FROM 412
THERE 413
EM: UM HUH 414
BUT THEN NOT USUALLY A SIDE OF TOWN THAT IM FAMILIAR WITH OR 415
A...A…REALLY YOU KNOW HAPPEN TO I I I DON’T REALLY KNOW THE 416
WEST SIDE OF TOWN VERY WELL 417
EM: UM HUH 418
THAT’S ABOUT IT 419
EM: ALRIGHT PERFECT ANY QUESTIONS? 420
HUH? 421
EM: I SAID DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL FOR ME? 422
NO NO JUST UM NO I DON’T I JUST HOPE THAT YOU KNOW I I HOPE THE 423
BEST FOR YOU THAT YOU CAN A SOLVE THE CASE AND YOU KNOW MOVE 424
ON WITH YOU’RE A PROFESSIONAL LIFE AS WELL SO 425
EM: ALRIGHT WELL I APPRECIATE THAT 426
YEAH 427
EM: ALRIGHT WELL THANK YOU A… 428
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SURE 429
EM: AND YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY OK? 430
HEY THANKS FOR CALLING 431
EM: ALRIGHT 432
AND YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY TO 433
EM: THANK YOU FOR TAKIN MY CALL 434
K SURE NO PROBLEM 435
EM: BA...BYE 436
BYE 437
END OF INTERVIEW…………………………………………………………………………….. 438
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