Volume II fi TuesdayNo. 4 1st June, 1965

PA RLI AMEN TA RYD E B ATES

D EWAN R A'AYAT(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFIC I AL REPORT

SECOND SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENTOF MALAYSIA

CONTENTS

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 809]

ADJOURNMENT TO A LATER DATE (MOTION)[Col. 817]

MOTION

THE YANG DI-PERTUAN AGONG'S SPEECH(Address of Thanks) [Col. 818]

ADJOURNMENT SPEECHES

Pemberian Bantuan Kapada Ra`ayat Malaysia UntokPerusahaan di-Wilayahz Borneo [Col. 964]

H.S.C. Examination Private Candidates [Col. 969]

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN

OLEH THOR BENG CHONG , A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN

KUALA LUMPUR

1966

MALAYSIA

DEWAN RA'AYAT

(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

Official Report

Second Session of the Second Dewan Ra`ayat

Tuesday, 1st June, 1965

The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT :

The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKHABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak.

the Prime Minister, Minister of External Affairs andMinister of Culture, Youth and Sports, Y.T.M. TUNKUABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-Hu, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah).

the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister ofNational and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAKBIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan).

the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice,DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N.

(Johor Timor).

„ the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEw SIN, J.P.(Melaka Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications,DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungai Siput).

R, the Minister of Transport, DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJIJUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara).

„ the Minister of Education, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI(Kedah Tengah).

„ the Minister of Health, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN(Kuala Pilah).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN,J.P. (Larut Selatan).the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMIDKHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P.(Batang Padang).

the Minister for Local Government and Housing,ENCHE' KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K. (Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Information and Broadcasting,ENCHE' SEND BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat).the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives,ENCHE' MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak).

the Minister for Sabah Affairs and Civil Defence,DATU DONALD ALOYSIUS STEPHENS, P.D.K. (Sabah).

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The Honourable the Minister of Lands and Mines, ENCHE' ABDUL-RAHMANBIN YA`KUB (Sarawak).the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry,TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN(Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives,ENCHE' SULAIMAN BIN BULON (Bagan Datoh).

the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports,ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K.(Trengganu Tengah).

the Assistant Minister of Education,ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sepang).

ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Malaka Utara).„ ENCHE' ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N. (Melaka Selatan).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHIM ISHAK (Singapore).

„ TURN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, K.M.N., P.J.K.(Krian Laut).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI(Pasir Mas Hulu).

„ Y.A.M. TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDULRAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang).

TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N.,

S.M.J., P.I.S. (Segamat Utara).

„ ENCHE' ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok).

TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir).

„ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara).

„ TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SAAID, J.P. (Seberang Utara).

CHE' AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak).„ ENCHE' ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan).

,. DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J. (Muar Selatan).

„ ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

„ ENCHE' E. W. BARKER (Singapore).

„ ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan).

ENCHE' CHAN SLANG SUN (Bentong).

„ ENCHE' CHEN WING SUM (Damansara).

!! ENCHE' CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S. (Sarawak).

y, ENCHE' FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah).

ENCHE' CHIA THYE POH (Singapore).

ENCHE' CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta).

„ ENCHE' C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar).

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TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S.(Batu Pahat Dalam).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID(Johore Bahru Timor).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N.(Jitra-Padang Terap).

ENCHE' S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K. (Sabah).

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The Honourable DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P . (Sabah) .

„ ENCHE' GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah).

„ ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Penang Utara).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kapar).

ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P.

(Kulim Utara).

„ ENCHE' HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N. (Jerai).

,R ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling).

WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K. (Sabah).

„ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N. (Raub).

„ ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Pant).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan).

., TURN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN(Kota Bharu Hulu).

„ ENCHE' IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak).

„ ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

„ DATO' SYED JA`AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N.(Johor Tenggara).

ENCHE' JEK YEUN THONG (Singapore).

ENCHE' KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan).

ENCHE' KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KOW KEE SENG (Singapore).

ENCHE' LEE KUAN YEW (Singapore).

„ ENCHE' LEE SAN CROON, K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan).

,e ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim).

ENCHE' AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah).

„ DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong).

ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat).„ DATO' LIM KIM SAN, D.U.T., J.M.K., D.J.M.K. (Singapore).

„ ENCHE' LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K. (Alor Star).

DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan).

ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson).

ENCHE' JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah).

DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P ., J.P., P.J.K.(Kuala Kangsar).

ENCHE' MOHD. ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMAD ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA , P.M.K. (Pasir Puteh).

ENCHE' MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut).

ENCHE' MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P.(Jelebu-Jempol).

„ ENCHE' MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K.(Kuala Langat).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh).

„ ENCHE' MOHD. ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N. (Sungai Patani).

WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman).

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The Honourable TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

„ ENCHE' MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH(Pasir Mas Hilir).

TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU`AUT BIN HAJI MUHD. TAHIR, A.B.S.(Sarawak).

„ DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N.,J.P. (Sabak Bernam).

„ ENCHE' MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah).

„ DATO' NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P .M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N..

P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir).

„ ENCHE' NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah).

DR NG KAM Pox, J.P. (Telok Anson).

ENCHE' ONG KEE Hui (Sarawak).

„ ENCHE' ONG PANG BOON (Singapore).

„ TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak).

„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara).

„ ENCHE' ABANG OTHMAN BIN ABANG HAJI MOASILI , P.B.S.(Sarawak).

„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN WOK (Singapore).

„ ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor).

„ ENCHE' S. RAJARATNAM (Singapore).

„ TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N.(Johor Bahru Barat).

„ ENCHE' RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat).

„ TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID, P.J.K., J.P.(Rembau-Tampin).

„ RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA`AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor).

„ ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S. (Muar Pantai).

ENCHE' SIM BOON LIANG (Sarawak).

„ ENCHE' SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K. (Seremban Barat).

„ ENCHE' SNAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K. (Seberang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' SNG CHIN Joo (Sarawak).

z, ENCHE' SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat).

„ ENCHE' SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun).

,t PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah).

„ ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara).

ENCHE' TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu).

ENCHE' TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak).

DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu).

ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J .P. (Bagan).

„ ENCHE' TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang).

ENCHE' TAN TSAK Yu (Sarawak).

ENCHE' TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara).

DR TOH CHIN CHYE (Singapore).

„ ENCHE' TOH THERM HOCK (Kampar).

„ ENCHE' WEE TooN BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' YEH PAO TZE (Sabah).

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The Honourable ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Bruas).

ENCHE' STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).

ENCHE ' YONG NYUK LIN (Singapore).TURN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB, P.J.K. (Langat).

ABSENT:

The Honourable the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, DATO' TEMENGGONG JUGAH

R,

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ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K. (Sarawak).

the Minister of Labour , ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N.,

P.J.K. (Kiang).WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T. (Kuala Trengganu Utara).

ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K. (Kuantan).

WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG (Sarawak).

DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja(Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

O.K.K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K. (Sabah).

ENCHE' JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak).

PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S. (Sarawak).

ENCHE' CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak).

ENCHE' EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak).

DR GOH KENG SWEE (Singapore).

PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN. Q.M.C., A.B.S. (Sarawak).

ENCHE' KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak).

DATU KHOO SIAK CHIEW, P.D.K. (Sabah).

ENCHE' EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak).

DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S. (Sarawak).

ENCHE' LIM HUAN BOON (Singapore).

ENCHE' PETER Lo Su YIN (Sabah).

ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah).

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ENCHE' SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak).

ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka).PENGHULU FRANCIS UMPAU ANAK EMPAM (Sarawak).

PRAYERS(Mr Speaker in the Chair)

ORAL ANSWERS TOQUESTIONS

LOW-COST HOUSING SCHEMESIN SARAWAK

1. Enche' Abang Othman bin HajiMoasili (Sarawak) asks the Minister ofLocal Government and Housing

whether he will extend low-costhousing schemes similar to those inMalaya to Sarawak.

The Minister of Local Governmentand Housing (Enche' Khaw Kai-Boh):Mr Speaker, Sir, as I have alreadystated in the past in the House, I willconsider the expansion of low-costhousing schemes to the State ofSarawak on receipt of application forsuch schemes from the State. The State

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Government has already been acquain-ted with the procedure and the detailsrequired during my visit to Sarawak inOctober, 1964.

MENYAMAKAN GAJI BUROH DI-SARAWAK DENGAN GAJI BUROH

DI-NEGERI2 DALAM MALAYA

2. Enche' Abang Othman bin HajiMoasili bertanya kapada PerdanaMenteri sama ada tindakan akan di-ambil bagi menyamakan bayaran gajiburoh di-Sarawak dengan buroh di-lain2 negeri dalam Malaya.

The Assistant Minister of Culture,Youth and Sports (Engku Muhsein binAbdul Kadir): Tuan Speaker, jawab-nya tidak. Buroh2 dalam NegeriSarawak ada-lah kaki-tangan KerajaanSarawak. Apa2 pindaan kapada gajiatau sharat2 perkhidmatan kaki-tanganKerajaan Negeri ada-lah tanggonganKerajaan itu mengikut Clause 2 Article132 Perlembagaan Malaysia.

NUMBER OF TEACHERS FROMMALAYA STUDYING IN UNIVER-SITY OF MALAYA AND UNIVER-SITY OF SINGAPORE UNDER

STUDY LEAVE

3. Enche' C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar)asks the Minister of Education to statethe number of teachers from Malayastudying in the University of Malayaand the University of Singapore underfully-paid or partially-paid study leaveby the Government.

The Minister of Education (Enche'Mohamed Khir Johari): Mr Speaker,Sir, there are eight serving teachers fromMalaya studying at the University ofMalaya on partially-paid study leave.There are no teachers studying ateither the University of Malaya or theUniversity of Singapore on fully-paidstudy leave.

TEACHERS STUDYING INUNIVERSITY OF MALAYA ANDUNIVERSITY OF SINGAPOREUNDER STUDY LEAVE-TAKINGUP OF APPROVED COURSES FOR

TEACHING CAREER4. Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks theMinister of Education to state whetherthe teachers in the above category are

taking up approved courses that wouldfit them to a teaching career.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: MrSpeaker, Sir, the answer is "yes". Theteachers under the above category aretaking courses which are considered tobe useful to their career as teachers.

NATIONAL TYPE SCHOOLBUILDINGS UTILISATION OF

5. Enche' C. V. Devan Nair asks theMinister of Education whether he isaware that a number of National TypeSchool Buildings are not fully utilisedfor National Type Schools, that suchbuildings are used by Private Schoolsin the afternoons and if the answer tothe above is in the affirmative, wouldhe give an assurance that such buildingswill be utilised only for National andNational Type Schools in view of thefact that there is a great shortage ofschool buildings.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Yes,my Ministry is aware of the situation,but this state of affairs is limited toonly some mission schools and formerprivate Chinese Medium Schools whichhave since conformed. This arrange-ment is temporary. With the Govern-ment's own comprehensive educationprogramme and the limitation of theuse of such premises up to 1966, it isenvisaged that Government will haveat its disposal the full use of theseschool buildings both in the morningsand in the afternoons.

KURSUS TERNAK MENTERNAKAYAM DI-BERI KAPADA

PELADANG2 MUDA, SARAWAK

6. Che' Ajibah binti Abol (Sarawak)bertanya kapada Menteri Pertanian danSharikat2 Kerjasama ada-kah kemu-dahan2 untok mengambil kursus ternakmenternak ayam di-Pusat2 Ternakandi-Malaya akan di-beri kapada pe-ladang2 muda dari Sarawak.

The Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives (Enche' Mohamed Ghazalibin Haji Jawi): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,Bahagian Perkhidmatan HaiwanKementerian Pertanian dan SharikatKerjasama selalu mengadakan kursuslatehan prektik yang rapi bagi sa-lamalebeh kurang lima sampai enam minggu

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untok melatehkan ra`ayat2 yang mudadari rnerata2 Negeri di-Tanah Melayudi-Pusat Latehan Ternakan Ayam di-Port Swettenham. Bakal pelateh2 itudi-pileh oleh Pegawai2 Haiwan Negerimasing2, kerana hendak menentukanbahawa mereka2 yang sa-benar-nyaboleh mendapat faedah dari latehanitu di-pileh.

Bahagian Perkhidmatan Haiwan Ke-menterian ini bersedia menerimapeladang2 muda dari Sarawak untokdi-1_ateh di-Pusat itu kalau di-mintaoleh Kerajaan Negeri Sarawak dan jugasanggup memikul perbelanjaan tambangpergi dan balek bagi pelateh2 itu.

MENGELUARKAN ISTILAH2DI-DALAM BAHASA

KEBANGSAAN

7. Che' Ajibah binti Abol bertanyakapada Menteri Pelajaran memandangkapada usaha Kerajaan hendak meluas-kan penggunaan Bahasa Kebangsaanada-kah beliau akan meminta PengarahDewan Bahasa dan Pustaka menge-luarkan risalah2 istilah baharu di-beriperchuma kapada orang ramai tiap2bulan bagi menambahkan lagi per-bendaharaan kata mereka.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: TuanYang di-Pertua, memang ada rancha-ngan hendak menerbitkan sa-buahbuku yang mengandongi istilah2 di-dalam segala ilmu, tetapi perkaramengeluarkan istilah2 baharu dan di-beri perchuma kapada orang ramaitiap2 bulan tidak-Iah upaya hendak di-selenggarakan kerana perkara ini me-merlukan perbelanjaan yang banyakserta juga kakitangan yang lebeh.Sunggoh pun bagitu, Dewan Bahasadan Pustaka ada mengirimkan senaraiistilah2 dengan perchuma kapada seko-lah2, maktab2 dan universiti. Untokpengetahuan orang ramai Dewan Baha-sa juga menyiarkan istilah2 baharuyang di-kumpulkan dalam tiap2 kelu-aran Majallah Bulanan "DewanBahasa" yang boleh di-beli olehsa-siapa juga.

SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICSTEACHERS IN SECONDARYSCHOOLS, MALAYA SHORTAGE

8. Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks theMinister of Education whether he is

aware of the shortage if Science andMathematics teachers in the secondaryschools in the States of Malaya, and ifso, what steps has his Ministry takento overcome this shortage.

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: MrSpeaker, Sir, the Ministry is aware ofthis shortage which incidentally existsnot only in the States of Malaya butalso in the whole of Malaysia andindeed in so many other countries aswell, including the developed ones.

The Ministry has taken the followingmeasures to meet the problem :

(a) Reorganization o'f the MalayanTeachers' College in Penang witheffect from this year to providetwo year pre-service and oneyear in-service specialist trainingcourses for Mathematics andScience Teachers.

(b) Holding of in-service vacationcourses and seminars, etc, forteachers on the teaching ofMathematics and Science.

(c) More attractive offers of scholar-ships and bursaries for academicdegree courses, both locally andoverseas.

(d) As a temporary measure increaseof bids and employment of moregraduates under foreign technicalassistance schemes.

(e) Offer of employment under con-tract terms to qualified foreigngraduates.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker,Sir, if I heard the Minister correctly,he said more opportunities for academicstudies in the University of Malaya andabroad. D'o' I hear it correctly, Sir?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Isaid more attractive offers of scholar-ships and bursaries.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Minis-ter aware that there are serving officersin the various National Type schoolswho, having passed the H.S.C. or whohaving served for a number of yearsand passed the H.S.C., have nowapplied for courses in the University ofMalaya on no pay leave but, forreasons, best known to the Ministry of

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Education, their requests have beenturned down? If so, Mr Speaker, Sir,may we know the reasons why?

Enche' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir,I am not aware of any particular caseof any teacher applying for scholarshipto study Science having been turneddown by the Ministry.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker,Sir, if I bring them to the attention ofthe Minister will he take immediateaction to rectify such an anomaly?

Enche ' Mohamed Khir Johari: Sir,to me there is no anomaly.

PRICES OF SALT FISH IN KUALATRENGGANU AND KUALA

LUMPUR DISPARITY OF9. Dr Tan Chee Khoon bertanya ka-pada Menteri Pertanian dan SharikatKerjasama ada-kah beliau sedar akansangat jauh-nya perbezaan harga ikankering dan ikan bi lis di-antara KualaTrengganu dengan Kuala Lumpur danj ika sedar, apa-kah langkah2 yang telahbeliau jalankan untok memberi keun-tongan yang berpatutan kapada nela-ya n2 di-Kuala Trengganu.

Enche' Mohamed Ghazali bin HajiJawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu kajianpasaran ikan untok mengetahui antaralain-nya akan harga2 ikan is-itu ikanbasah dan ikan kering yang di-terimaoleh nelayan2 di-dalam kawasan2 per-ikanan yang besar dan juga untokmengetahui harga2 ikan yang di-jualdi-pasar2 besar itu pada waktu inisedang berjalan. Keputusan dari kajiantersebut yang di-agakkan boleh di-dapati pada penghujong tahun ini akanmemberi keterangan yang Iengkap bagimembolehkan satu pertimbangan di-buat untok menubohkan satu ran-changan pasaran ikan yang akanmenentukan yang nelayan2 di-selurohnegeri mendapat layanan yang `adil.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker,Sir, while the Ministry of Agricultureand Co-operatives is no doubt takingsteps to set up marketing boards, isthe Minister aware that about fourweeks ago, when I was in KualaTrengganu I was told, and we allknow, that ikan bilis is being sold at

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$1 to $1.30 per kati in Trengganunot the fishermen but the middlemenare being asked to sell their ikan bilisat $30 per pikul to the Kuala Lumpurmarket? Is the Minister aware that$30 per pikul is below the cost ofproduction and therefore the fishermenand the middlemen there are com-pletely at the mercy of the big tycoonswho are presumably members of theM.C.A.? If so, Mr Speaker, Sir, whatimmediate steps, not semua bersedia,will he take to rectify such exploitationof the fishermen in Kuala Trengganu?

Enche' Mohamed Ghazali bin HajiJawi: Mr Speaker, Sir, I am aware ofthe difference of the price of fish inKuala Trengganu and Kuala Lumpur,but I do not know whether the middle-men in Kuala Trengganu are from theM.C.A. or from the Socialist Front orfrom any other party. (Laughter). Thebad situation in the fishing market addsmore to the reason that the FederalAgricultural Marketing Authority Billshould be passed, and I hope that theMember for Batu would support theBill fully when it comes up for discus-sion in this House later. (Applause).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah(Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,boleh-kah saya dapat keterangan dari-pada Yang Berhormat Menteri is-ituapa-kah yang telah berlaku kapadasharikat kerjasama pemasaran ikandi-Pantai Timor yang bilangan-nyalebeh daripada dua puloh? Sa-bagai-mana yang saya tahu ada-lah sharikatkerlasama itu telah bertahun2 di-dirikan, tetapi sharikat kerjasama initidak berj alan sama sa-kali, apa-kahyang telah berlaku kapada sharikatkerjasama itu? Kerana mengikutketerangan yang telah di-terangkanoleh Yang Berhormat Menteri tadibahawa sekarang Kerajaan sedangmengadakan satu kajian untok menga-dakan satu ranchangan bagi pemasaranikan, kalau bagitu boleti-kah YangBerhormat Menteri menerangkan ke-dudokan sharikat2 kerjasama yang sayaterangkan tadi?

Enche' Mohamed Ghazali bin HajiJawi: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya rasasoalan itu tidak ada kena-mengenadengan yang asal ini (Tepok).

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Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah:Saya fikir di-dalam j awapan YangBerhormat Menteri tadi dia adamenerangkan bahawa sekarang iniKerajaan sedang mengkaji tentangpemasaran ikan dan dengan tujuanhendak mengadakan satu ranchangansupaya harga2 ikan dan pemasaran inidapat di-baiki. Oleh sebab demikian,soal saya is-lah apa-kah yang telahberlaku kapada sharikat kerjasamayang di-dirikan untok pemasaran ikandi-sana? Saya fikir soalan saya ada-lahbersangkut-paut dengan soalan yangada di-hadapan kita mi.

Enche' Mohamed Ghazali bin HajiJawi: Saya berharap Ahli Yang Ber-hormat dapat membuat soalan ber-kenaan dengan ini, dan saya dengansukachita-nya akan memberi jawap-nya.

Tuan Hajji Ahmad bin Abdullah:Boleh-kah saga memahamkan, TuanYang di-Pertua, bahawa Yang Berhor-mat Menteri itu tidak dapat memberiketerangan dalam soalan saya ini?

ADJOURNMENT TO ALATER DATE

(MOTION)

The Minister of Finance (Enche' TanSiew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg tomove :

That, notwithstanding the provisions ofStanding Order 12 (2) at its rising this daythis House do stand adjourned to Thursday,3rd June, 1965 at 10 a.m.

As Honourable Members are aware,we have to suspend our sittingtomorrow because it will be the birth-day of His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. I, therefore, do notthink I need elaborate further.

The Deputy Prime Minister (TunHaji Abdul Razak bin Dato' Hussain):Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That, notwithstanding the provisions of

Standing Order 12 (2) at its rising this daythis House do stand adjourned to Thursday,3rd June, 1965 at 10 a.m.

MOTION

THE YANG DI-PERTUANAGONG'S SPEECH

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Address of Thanks

Order read for resumption of debateon Question,

That an humble Address be presentedto His Majesty the Yang di-PertuanAgong as follows :

"Your Majesty,We, the Speaker and Members of

the Dewan Ra`ayat of Malaysia inParliament assembled, beg leave tooffer Your Majesty our humblethanks for the Gracious Speech withwhich the Second Session of theSecond Parliament has been opened",

to which the following amendmentmoved by Enche' Lee Kuan Yew wasto add at the end thereof :

"but regrets that the Address by HisMajesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agongdid not reassure the nation thatMalaysia will continue to progressin accord with its democratic con-stitution towards a Malaysian Malay-sia, but on the contrary the Addresshas added to the doubts over theintentions of the present AllianceGovernment and over the measuresit will adopt when faced with theloss of majority popular support."

Mr Speaker: I would like to informthe House that the debate on theKing's Speech will probably end todayand, therefore, I would like Honour-able Members to be as brief as possiblein their speeches. The last speaker, Ibelieve, was the Member for SeberangTengah who has not finished.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman(Seberang Tengah): Dalam 10 minitlagi. Saya sa-malam chuba hendakpendekkan, tidak dapat (Ketawa). TuanYang di-Pertua, menyambong uchapansaya sa-malam, saya telah merayukapada Kerajaan supaya menyemaksa-mula Perlembagaan Malaysia inidi-dalam Article berkenaan denganfundamental liberty dan kebebasan ia-itu freedom, kerana saya dapati ra`ayatMalaysia yang mengakul mereka itupemimpin2 parti dan tokoh2 parti

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siasah telah menyalah -gunakan ke-bebasan yang di-beri oleh Kerajaan.Semua negara , Tuan Yang di-Pertua,sama ada negara2 yang kechil ataunegara2 yang bsar dalam dunia ini adamempunyai kebebasan -nya yang ter-sendiri , saya perchaya barangkaliorange Indonesia sendiri berpendapatyang mereka ada kebebasan dalamnegeri-nya , bagitu juga Russia danCommunist China. Jadi tujuan sayasupaya Kerajaan menyemak bukan-lah berma `ana supaya meminda ber-kenaan dengan kebebasan liberty danfreedom ini in toto semua sa-kali.

Saya memang hormatkan berkenaandengan kebebasan wartawan. War-tawarl2 dalam negeri ini boleh di-katakan memainkan peranan merekasangat2 baik terutama -nya UtusanMelayu yang telah mencherminkanhasrat dan tujuan Kerajaan dalamnegeri ini , sunggoh pun tulisan Jawitetapi tidak -fah Utusan Melayu inimemainkan sentiment perkauman.Yang saya harap is-itu berkenaandengan peranan wartawan2 asing.Dalam uchapan saya , saya rasa satuatau dua tahun dahulu saya telah men-desak Kerajaan supaya memandangberat kapada sa-tengah2 telatah war-tawan2 asing wartawan2 luar negerisupaya mengishtiharkan persona-non-grata terutama Alex Josey, DennisBloodworth dan lain2 lagi yang ber-sangkut paut dengan karangan2 merekadi-dalam Majallah2 , The Times, Scots-man, Sunday Telegraph dan lain2 lagi.Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua , perananSurat khabar ada-lah peranan besar.Saya sendiri takut dan Napoleonsendiri pun takut, dia telah mengatakandia tidak takut kapada sa-ratus atausa-ribu tombak tetapi dia takut duasurat khabar . Jadi , memang -lah suratkhabar ini bukan-lah saya jack atauhendak puji2, tetapi memang perananmereka ada -lah lebeh penting, danKerajaan harus mengambil perhatianberkenaan dengan surat khabar atausatu sharikat berita kebangsaan di-luarnegeri sa-bagaimana Tass, Antara,Reuter, AP, UPI dan lain2 lagi.Kerana , chuba kita lihat , Tuan Yangdi-Pertua , berkenaan dengan telatahYang Berhormat Perdana MenteriSingapura , Enche ' Lee Kuan Yew, apa

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yang di-uchapkan -nya di -New Zealand,Australia dan lain2 tempat lagi dalamSunday Telegraph pada 28 haribulanMach, tetapi malang -nya tiada siapajuga wartawan2 kita yang ada di-luarnegeri untok menjawab . Kalau sa-kira-nya ada sharikat2 berita kebangsaanyang di-punyai oleh Kerajaan Malaysiamaka dapat-lah wartawan2 ini menang-kis segala tudohan2 yang tidak ber-tanggong -jawab oleh Yang Berhormat.Perdana Menteri Lee Kuan Yew atausiapa luga.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua , saya hanyahendak berchakap dalam dua soalyang penting is-itu soal dalam negeridan luar negeri. Apa yang saya chakap-kan ini is-lah sa-bahagian daripadasoal2 dalam negeri . Hari ini, TuanYang di-Pertua , ada Pula surat khabarkeluaran Sunday Times "Lee Givesa Hint" : "Last night spoke of thepossibility of partition as an alternativearrangement" partition , pula. Jadi,saya tidak tabu-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan dengan telatah YangBerhormat Perdana Menteri Singapuraitu. Saya anggap beliau ini sa-bagaibelut eel, bukan belut laut tetapi belutdarat . Belut darat yang kita tahu mem-punyal dua kepala , chukup lichin. Jadi,apa yang di-uchapkan di-dalam Dewanini, apa yang di-uchapkan di-luarDewan , di-dalam pertubohan2 ataujamuan2 yang di-buat oleh persatuan2di-luar Dewan ini berlainan . Kalau kitamembuat analisa yang halus, sa -benar2-nya Yang Berhormat Enche' Lee KuanYew ini ada -lah sa-orang yang tidaktahu -lah saga hendak mengatakan, diaterlampau ambitious over ambitiousdan saya takut satu hari beliau akanjadi Julius Caesar (Ketawa). Siapahendak jadi Brutus , saya tidak tabu.Tuan Yang di-Pertua , kalau YangBerhormat Enche ' Lee Kuan Yew ituberpekek di-dalam Dewan ini atau di-luar mengatakan yang beliau benar2memperjuangkan coal MalaysianMalaysia , ini saya rasa, ra`ayat sendirifaham dan ra`ayat sendiri tahu tujuan-nya yang sa - benar . Bukan-lah tujuan-nya Malaysian Malaysia tetapi tujuan-nya is-lah sate masaalah perkauman.Kerana , bukan-lah saya sa-bagaiUMNO atau orang Melayu menudohtetapi parti Socialist Front sendiri

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menudoh Yang Ber. hormat daripadaDato Kramat, Setia-usaha SocialistFront, Enche' Lim Kean Siew, telahmenudoh dalam surat khabar beberapalama dahulu mengatakan Parti Per-kauman, Enche' Lee Kuan Yew, mem-bawa soal2 perkauman. Bagitu jugaAhli Yang Berhormat daripada Batu,Barisan Socialist, semua menudoh ada-kah Yang Berhormat dari Batu ituorang Melayu, ada-kah Ahli daripadaDato Kramat orang Melayu danBarisan Socialist orang Melayu?Mereka sendiri mengatakan yangEnche' Lee Kuan Yew is-lah sa-orangyang memperjuangkan Socialism China.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Untok penje-lasan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kamimenudoh Enche' Lee Kuan Yew olehsebab kami bukan communal.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman:Tuan Yang di-Pertua, siasah inimemang kotor, kotor politik ini, sayamithalkan bagi telor busok. Busok ituakan melibatkan bukan sahaja parti-nya tetapi semua parti. Jadi saya ber-harap, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kapadaYang Berhormat Enche' Lee KuanYew jangan-lah terlalu menganggapyang beliau itu sa-bagai ayam jantan.Ayam jantan kerana dia selalu ber-kokok2 berderai2 tetapi dia tidak tahuapa yang jadi pada ekor-nya ber-lumoran dengan tahi. Dia hendak lihat-kah, dia suka-kah ekor-nya ber-lumoran dengan tahi kerana ayamjantan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, selalumengangkat kepala-nya di-atas bila diaberkokok. Jadi dia suka berkokok di-sana sini untok menchari satu modalpolitik.

Mr Speaker: Perkara Yang Ber-hormat kata belakang-nya ada kotoritu, lebeh baik tarek balek daripadamenggunakan perkataan yang tidaksesuai.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman:Terima kaseh, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,saya tarek balek, tetapi kotor.

Berkenaan dengan Yang Berhormatitu, tidak payah-lah saya berchakappanjang kerana pehak Ahli boleh di-katakan di-dalam Dewan ini telah punberchakap panjang lebar berkenaanAhli Yang Berhormat. Tetapi satusahaja sa-bagai Parliamentarian dan

beliau juga Ahli Parliamentarian, sayainenasihatkan supaya beliau itu buat sa-bagai rasmi padi padi ini makin beratmakin berisi, makin dia tundok.Jangan, sa-bagai orang tua2 kata, sa-bagai babi. Babi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,makin gemok, makin tegap badan-nya,mata-nya makin kechil. Jadi tidakmelihat kepenangan, kemewahan yangdi-beri. Jadi kemewahan yang di-beridia tidak nampak, mata-nya sa-makinkechil. Ini-lah rasmi babi jangan di-bawa. Itu yang akhir sa-kali nasihatsaya kapada Yang Berhormat.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita sedar hariini is-itu Kerajaan sedang membelanja-kan $1.6 juta untok pertahanan dalamsa-hari dan lebeh kurang $575 jutasa-tahun untok mempertahankan sa-tiapinchi negara dari pencherobohan. Ada-kah ini berma`ana, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang Kerajaan membelanjakanwang sa-bagini banyak untok menjagakepentingan Wakil2 Ra`ayat. Ini mestisatu soal yang kita harus tanya. Sa-benar2-nya wang ini di-belanjakan untokkepentingan semua kaum, semuabangsa dan semua lapisan masharakatyang ada dalam Malaysia ini termasoktokoh2 dalam Kesatuan2 Sa-kerja sa-bagai M.T.U.C. dan CUEPACS. Sayadapati, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bulletin2daripada CUEPACS boleh di-katakantiap2 dua minggu sa-kali pada tiap2kali. Tetapi pada kali ini saya lihatberbagai2 kechaman yang di-buat olehCUEPACS terhadap Kerajaan "TheBlack Day" konon-nya. Habis ! Jadikalau-lah tokoh2 ini ambil perhatian,dengar radio atau lihat T.V. apabilaaskar2 kita bernyanyi, di-situ kita akandengar rayuan daripada askar2 itu, apabunyi-nya : "Berdo`a-lah agar Malaysiaberjaya dan jikalau kami terkorban,taborkan bunga di-pusara." Jadi inipatut-lah kita kenangkan, Tuan Yangdi-Pertua. Mereka berdo`a, berharapsupaya kita berdo`a Malaysia berjayadan kalau mereka gugor di-medanpeperangan tolong taborkan bunga.Mereka sanggup berjuang memper-tahankan negara, tidak kira siang, tidakkira malam, panas terek atau halilintar,petir untok menjaga kita semua me-ninggalkan anak isteri, ibu bapa yangmereka kasehi. Patut tokoh2 ini sedaryang negara kita sedang di-ancham,

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perajurit2 sedang mempertahankan,patut mereka ini menggesa Kerajaanmembela nasib mereka ini, tetapi kitatidak dengar sa-orang daripada askaratau polis mendesak Kerajaan memintaovertime, meminta itu, meminta ini,tetapi hanya $2,000 atau $3,000 apabilamereka terkorban.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita ada 4pengorbanan yang patut kita buat tiap2sa-orang manusia is-itu fikiran, tenaga,wang ringgit dan nyawa. Patut tokoh2Kesatuan atau Pemimpin2 KesatuanSa-kerja ini tanya balek pada dirimereka sendiri apa-kah pengorbananyang mereka telah buat? Chuba lihatdi-Pusat2 Pendaftaran Buroh yang ada,tidak kurang daripada 80,000 orangyang menganggor dan pada akhir tahunini tidak dapat tidak 100,000 orangyang menganggor. Patut tokoh2 ituberunding, memberi fikiran dan kerja-sama dengan Kerajaan supaya meng-atasi soal penganggoran dan berjuang.Saya akan sokong kalau sa-kira-nyamereka berjuang benar2 untok kaumburoh yang Division IV atau buroh2yang bergaji hari. Jangan-lah hanyalihat kapada orange tingkat atasansahaja.

Sekarang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sayarasa tentu-lah ra`ayat dalam negeri iniakan sambut baik berkenaan denganBond Pertahanan. Kerana kita akanmendapat sambutan yang baik, olehsebab mereka berharap kapada faedah,tetapi apa yang mengharukan sayais-lah sebab sa-lama sa-tahun lebehyang Kerajaan telah menganjor-kan Derma Pertahanan Negara, kitahanya dapat mengumpul $5 juta sahaja.Wal-hal beratus2 jutawan ada dalamnegeri ini. Kalau benar2 kita kenangkannasib negara kita pada hari ini, patutdi-dalam tempoh satu bulan, kita bolehdapat Derma Pertahanan $500,000 atau$1 juta dengan senang sahaja dan sayaberharap-lah kapada segala jutawanyang ada di-dalam Malaysia supayamenghulorkan derma yang banyak lagitidak payah kita mengharapkanpegawai2 Kerajaan mengeluarkan 10peratus atau 5 peratus kerana merekaj uga telah pun berkorban untok fikirandan tenaga mereka dalam pekerjaan.

Sekarang, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sayasuka juga menyentoh sadikit sahaja

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soal luar negeri. Dalam soul luar negeriini, saya menguchapkan tahniah danterima kaseh kapada Yang Amat Ber-hormat Tun Abdul Razak danrombongan-nya yang telah pun men-dapat kejayaan besar dalam kunjongan-nya ka-negara2 Afrika dan TimorTengah dan saya perchaya rombonganYang Berhormat Menteri Buroh, Enche'Manickavasagam juga akan mendapatkejayaan yang besar. Tetapi soalsekarang ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam sa`at negara kita di-cherobohi,kita berharapkan supaya dapat kitamenchari kawan lebeh banyak. Kitatidak boleh mengharapkan sa-mata2kapada negara Commonwealth sahaja.Jadi kalau-lah keadaan dalam negerikita, sa-bagai telatah Yang Berhormattadi, "Partition" itu dan ini, jadi di-mana-kah sambutan yang akan kitadapat.

Daripada mana-kah, kerana kalaunegeri kita berkuchar-kachir, tentu-lahorang yang hendak berkawan dengankita rasa lemah. Negeri Malaysia yangbelum lagi aman di-antara satu kaumdengan yang lain, bertengkar danmembuat itu dan ini. Jadi, apa-kahguna-nya kita champor tangan, ataumenyebelahi pada Malaysia supayadapat hadhir dalam persidangan di-Algeria pada bulan Jun mi.

Ini-lah saya rasa Yang Berhormat itupatut tutup mulut-nya dan perhatikansoal2 dan masaalah yang kita hadapisekarang.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua apa yang sayakatakan tadi pergolakan siasah hari inisudah patut bagi kesedaran kapada kitaberkenaan dengan peranan yang lebehpenting yang patut kita ambil dalamnegara2 Afrika dan Timor Tengah.Saya rasa patut-lah Bangsa2 Bersatu,is-itu Piagam Bangsa2 Bersatu di-semaksa-mula oleh Court InternationalMahkamah Antara Bangsa supayadapat mengadakan satu pasokan polis,atau Askar Antara Bangsa supayadapat kita merayu kapada Bangsa2Bersatu menghantar askar2 orang Afrikayang berada di-dalam Commonwealth,umpama-nya saperti Uganda, Kenya,Tanzania, Tanganyika supaya dapatmenghantar askar2 mereka dan kitatempatkan di-sempadan Sarawak danSabah, kerana ini dengan sendiri-nya,

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Tuan Yang di-Pertua, askar2 ini akanmenjadi saksi, kerana kalau askar2British sahaj a, atau New Zealand, atauAustralia di-tempatkan di-sini, walaubagaimana sa-kali pun kits merayu,kita beritahu kapada negara2 di-Afrika,atau di-luar negeri, mereka mengatakanyang kita ada-lah sa-buah negara neo-colonialist, kerana askar2 British,sunggoh pun kita ada Pakatan Per-tahanan atau Perjanjian Pertahanandengan British, tetapi kenapa-kah kitatidak boleh merayu kapada negara2Afrika yang ada di-dalam Common-wealth itu sendiri, di-dalam negeriCommonwealth sa-bagaimana yang sayakatakan tadi negeri2 Uganda, Kenya,atau pun negara2 Asia, saperti Pakistan,India, Ceylon supaya menghantar askar2mereka untok mengambil tempat dandi-undorkan askar2 British itu ka-belakang. Jadi, kita dapat tahu danmereka ini dapat tahu dengan menjadisaksi siapa yang mencheroboh, ada-kahkita yang mencheroboh, atau Indonesiayang mencheroboh negara kita.

Indonesia ini memang degil dankunchu2-nya atau pun orange yangberkomplot dengan-nya itu degil, ta'mahu perchaya yang kita ini sa-benar2-nya sa-buah negara yang merdeka danberdaulat, is-itu Malaysia.

Pada akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,saya suka menguchapkan tahniahkapada Yang Amat Berhormat PerdanaMenteri Malaysia yang telah pun men-chadangkan supaya di-adakan satuPertubohan Setia Kawan Negara2 Asia.Saya rasa perkara ini akan di-sambutbaik oleh negara2 Asia, dan juga sayaharap supaya Yang Amat BerhormatPerdana Menteri Malaysia akan meng-ambil initiative sa-kali lagi untokmenubohkan satu Pertubohan Common-wealth Negara2 Islam, kerana padapendapat saya apabila 450 juta umatIslam ini bersatu, maka dengan sendiri-nya Indonesia akan dapat membenam-kan segala pertikaian politik-nya demikepentingan persaudaraan orange Islam.Jadi, dengan sendiri-nya kita akandapat sa-kali lagi, dengan takdir Tuhan,akan merapatkan perhubongan kitadengan Indonesia. Sekian.

The Minister of Finance (Enche' TanSiew Sin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I was notpresent in this House when the Honour-

able Mr Lee Kuan Yew spoke. I cametowards the end, and so I thought Iwould get a full copy of his speech inorder to distil from it the profoundwords of wisdom which he uttered.When I got this speech, I noticed thatit ran to about thirty or so pages. I,therefore, took a red pencil and feltthat, as he always urges that we shouldtry to convince others by the force ofreason and argument, I should try toreciprocate the compliment.

Mr Speaker, Sir, as a result, I under-lined the points which I felt needed areply, and I would like to assure thisHouse that wherever possible, I havetried my best, although probably theHonourable Members of the P.A.P.benches will not believe it, to give themthe benefit of the doubt whenever sucha doubt should occur.

The sad conclusion to which I havecome is that very rarely in my life haveI heard, if I may paraphrase a famousphrase of Churchill, "so little thoughtcompressed into so many words". Verybriefly, I think we can say that Mr LeeKuan Yew's thirty-page speech boilsdown to two points. In the first place,he says that the Alliance has failed toproject the concept or to practise thepolicy of a Malaysian Malaysia. Thesecond major point which he made isthat this Government has not doneenough, or has not provided sufficientfunds for rural uplift. In regard to thelatter point, that is, the failure of theGovernment's policy on the subject ofrural uplift, I believe my Honourablefriend and colleague, the Minister ofCommerce and Industry, has dealtadequately with this point. In any case,Mr Lee has confined only a very smallportion of his speech to this particularitem.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I hope the Honour-able Members of this House will bearwith me. I would like to confine thefirst part of my speech to dealing withthe points which have been raised bythe Honourable Prime Minister ofSingapore. The first point which hemakes is that we, the Alliance Govern-ment, should abide by the Constitutionand should preserve the fundamentalrights which are enshrined in the Con-stitution of Malaysia. He hastens to

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assure us that he accepts, I think,without any reservation, Article 153 ofthe Constitution, that is the Articlewhich deals with the special position ofthe Malays. While on this subject, Iwould like to emphasise again that thisArticle is not a creation of the AllianceGovernment. This Article did not comeinto force on 31st August, 1957, that isthe date on which we achieved indepen-dence for the Federation of Malaya.This, in fact, was a carry over not onlyfrom the 1948 Federation Agreement,it was the policy of the Governmenteven pre-war and was embodied in the1948 Federation of Malaya Agreementin much more comprehensive terms.Anyway, I will not dwell further onthis because Mr Lee has assured us thathe accepts this provision. If we setaside this particular subject, I reallywonder in what way this Governmentcan be accused of not accepting theconcept of a Malaysian Malaysia,because this is the only Article in theentire Constitution, which stipulatesthat Malays will be in any way differentfrom the other races inhabitingMalaysia.

Mr Lee, however, made the otherpoint that we have prohibited strikes,but he conveniently forgets that all thatwe have done at the moment is to putthe States of Malaya in roughly thesame position as Singapore. As Honour-able Members are aware and I thinkas many people outside this House areaware the position in Singapore isthat -I am open to correction, andHonourable Members on the P.A.F.benches can correct me if I am wrongthe general position in Singapore is thatthe Government is in a position to defera strike by submitting an industrialdispute to arbitration, and when a dis-pute is submitted to arbitration then theparties to the dispute will have to deferany industrial action, which they maycontemplate, refer the matter to arbitra-tion, and then accept the findings of thearbitration court which has been set upunder the relevant Ordinance. In theStates of Malaya, I agree, the positionis slightly different, in the sense thatthis ruling in regard to arbitration onlyapplies to private industrial disputes.In so far as Government disputes with

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its own unions are concerned, we haveset up this Salaries Commission, and Ithink it is reasonable to lay down thatwhere a Salaries Commission is alreadyin session, it would be in the interestof the country to defer any threat ofindustrial action for the time being,particularly in view of the fact that thiscountry is now passing through a mostserious emergency.

He also, I think, castigates theGovernment that is Mr Lee forlimiting the right of appeal to the PrivyCouncil. I have, Mr Speaker, Sir,deliberately used the word "limited",because what the Government intendsis a very limited exercise. All that wehave proposed in the Bill which, I think,has come up for first reading but whichis not likely to proceed further until thenext meeting of Parliament in July orthereabouts, is that as a first stage,criminal appeals and the appeals inconstitutional cases will not go to thePrivy Council. In this matter, MrSpeaker, Sir, I think it is well to recallthat we in Malaysia, previously in theStates of Malaya and Singapore, havehad thousands, literally thousands, ofour students passing law and subse-quently practising either as advocatesand solicitors or as judges in recentyears. I, therefore, say that we have inthis country itself a fairly adequatereservoir, to put it no higher, of localtalent; and one cannot escape theconclusion that the reason why there issuch vociferous opposition to this verylimited restriction is that those who areopposing it basically have no faith inthe calibre of the lawyers in ourcountry. That, I think, is the real reason,and I suggest also with very greatsorrow . . .

Enche' E. W. Barker (Singapore):On a point of clarification, Sir. Is theMinister aware that all the Bar Com-mittees throughout Malaysia areagainst the proposed amendment?

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr Speaker,Sir, that, I think, is not really indicativeof the situation in this country. Firstly,I am not sure that all the lawyers inthis country are against it. We knowthat certain resolutions have beenpassed by certain committees, but thatreally means nothing if we know how

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things work in this country but I thinkit must be accepted that those whoare against this proposal basically haveno faith in our people. It is very i llumi-nating, if I can recall a bit, that thesewere the very same people, who wereagainst independence in 1957 for theFederation of Malaya. I can recall,only too vividly, when we wanted inde-pendence before 1957, we had the samearguments : "We are not ready. Therewill be clashes between the Malays andChinese, and so on." We hear the samereasons now, and to me it is extremelysurprising that this should come from,of all people, those who pretend to beardent nationalists. To me it is alsovery extraordinary that those in parti-cular Mr Lee. Kuan Yew-who accuseus of being inclined to be undemocraticshould be the worst offenders in thisrespect. My Honourable friend andcolleague the Minister of Home Affairshas already pointed out that sinceSeptember 1963, and this is aboutnearly 18 months ago, the SingaporeGovernment has held something liketwo meetings of the Singapore Legisla-tive Assembly. That is their idea ofdemocracy. These are the democrats,who talk so loudly about democracy.(HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Shame!). Onewould have thought that when youyourselves incline to this sort of prac-tice you would at least have kept quieton this point but I suppose as myHonourable colleague the Minister ofHome Affairs has told this House, thatHonourable Members of the P.A.P.benches are under the impression thatthe rest of Malaysia are so stupid thatwhatever they say will be accepted asgospel truth. I do not want to usestrong language , but 1 think that state-ment about democracy is about themost nauseating hypocrisy I have everheard in my life. (HONOURABLE MEM-BERS : Hear , hear!). In this speech, theHonourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew talksabout "the basis on which solemnlyand in good faith we came to Malay-sia." Now, this is an exact quotationfrom his speech . Has anythingchanged then? Has the Central Govern-ment during these first 18 months ofMalaysia done anything which can beconstrued with good reason as chang-

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ing the concept of or the basis onwhich Malaysia was formed less thantwo' years ago?

It is very significant that in his12-hour long speech, in which herepeated himself times without number,he did not give one single instance,did not quote any evidence to subs-tantiate his charge that the CentralGovernment does not believe in whathe chooses to call a Malaysian Malay-sia. He rambles all over the place, hemakes charges , innuendoes , insinua-tions, but there was not one specificinstance to substantiate his charge. Inthis connection , Mr Speaker, Sir, Ihope you will allow me if I quote fromsome of his speeches in the past. Thisis very relevant because he specificallyaccused us of not having kept our wordsince he entered Malaysia. On the29th September, 1963 , addressing ahuge rally to introduce the newAssemblymen and defining the tasksahead, Premier Lee Kuan Yew said,according to the Straits Times of thisdate, "Our intention and our purposeis to work together with the CentralGovernment for the benefit of Singa-pore and Malaysia."

Well, this is even more interesting.This was just one year ago on the24th April, 1964 , when the electioncampaign for the States of Malaya wasabout the end . When the P.A.P.announced that its two P.A.P. candi-dates for the Johore Bahru Parlia-mentary and State elections were beingwithdrawn from the contest , as theywere facing UMNO candidates inthese two constituencies, Mr Lee,according to the Straits Times of 25thApril, 1964, said as follows :

"The rational choice in this election wasto vote for the UMNO"--

this was only thirteen months ago'.

On the 19th August , 1964, Mr LeeKuan Yew, who accompanied theHonourable Prime Minister on his visitto Geylang Serai said, according to theStraits Tunes of 20th August, 1964:

"The Tengku was the only man with thecapacity to solve the problems now con-fronting Malaysia . We trust him ; that's thereason we joined Malaysia ." (Applause).

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Mr Speaker, Sir, 20th August, 1964is only nine months ago. I think allof us will agree that although theTengku is older since then (Laughter)he has not changed very much atleast not basically (Laughter)--and yetwe see from Mr Lee Kuan Yew'sutterances that his attitude towards theTengku and the UMNO today isvastly and radically different from whatit was only nine months ago , or lessthan nine months ago. In fact, there areindications -I will not quote themthat when Mr Lee visited Australiahe said something quite different; any-way I will not quote what he saidthere, although I have got a copy here.

Now, we come to his favouritesubject of percentages, and this is where,I think, the trouble started. Mr Lee,according to the Sin Chew lit Poh of5th May, 1965, said as follows :

"The Malays in the whole of Malaysia,including Singapore, Sarawak and Sabah,consist of 39 per cent of the total population;Chinese comprise 42 per cent of theMalaysian population."

Then-this is the final one in aSingapore Government Press State-ment, Mr Lee said as follows on the20th September, 1964, when speakingat the opening of the new building ofthe Singapore Chinese Chamber ofCommerce

"This symmetry of concrete and greenglazed tiles tilting elegantly at the eaves andwith two lions standing guard over itsentrance speak of the security of the Chinesein Malaysia"-mind you, security of theChinese in Malaysia-"It is a symbol of agreat and proud heritage . It speaks of securityfor it is concrete proof of the qualities ofthrift and industry of the people who havecome to the South Seas and made good andsettled with the indigenous people here."

Now, this is again eight or nine monthsago, and in this statement, which Ipresume must be a considered state-ment, because it is part of a SingaporeGovernment Press Statement, Mr Leespeaks of the security of the Chinesein Malaysia. We would like to knowon this side of the House what hashappened in the intervening period toindicate that the Chinese or, for thatmatter, any people in Malaysia are lesssecure.

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has Mr Lee regretted joining Malay-sia?" I did not wish to say so, but Ithink it is patently clear to anybodywho studies the situation that theHonourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew isfrustrated, simply because he finds hisavenues to power too effectively blockedfor his liking and, therefore, he feelsthat something must be done to clearthe obstacles in his path; and hence,as my Honourable friend, the Ministerof Education said only a few days ago,"What Mr Lee wants is not so much a"Malaysian Malaysia" or a "ChineseMalaysia", because I am not sure theChinese will be happy under Mr Lee,even though he himself may thinkotherwise. What he wants is a "LeeKuan Yew Malaysia". (Applause).That, I think, is nearer the mark.

Mr Lee also that it is essential thatnobody should be left in any doubt asto where we stand. I take it that in thiscase "we" refers to the SingaporeGovernment and the P.A.P. I cannotsay how much we appreciate that state-ment that it is very essential to knowwhere we stand with each other wherethe P.A.P. stand with us and where westand with the P.A.P. However, we arecertain of one thing : that not even hisParty probably knows where he himselfsometimes stand. (Applause) (Laughter).We certainly would like to know wherehe stands on some basic issues. Healways tells us he never ceases toremind us that it (the P.A.P.) is aloyal Opposition, that the P.A.P. canbe regarded as a loyal Opposition andyet we remember, because it does nottake much effort to remember, that MrLee Kuan Yew went to Moscow evenwhen the Tengku advised him not togo. He communicated with the ChinesePrime Minister, Mr Chou En Lai, andrecently he went overseas to securesupport for himself and his Govern-ment against the Central Government.Mr Speaker, Sir, this may not soundvery reprehensible. You can say, "Whatis wrong with going overseas on atour?" though admittedly, he also gota little holiday in the process to pro-pagate the concept of Malaysia, tospeak about Singapore and speakabout Malaysia. But it is clear fromthe utterances which Mr Lee made

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when he was in Australia and NewZealand , for example , that his purposein going overseas was not so much topropagate the concept of Malaysia; itwas not so much to propagate theimage of Singapore , or Malaysia , to theworld, it was to attract support forSingapore , particularly for himself,against the Central Government. Isuggest that that was an act of dis-loyalty. (HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Hear!hear! ) (SEVERAL HONOURABLE MEM-BERS : Traitor !) We do not dispute MrLee's right to go overseas . We do notdispute Mr Lee's right to have his ownopinion, however much that opinionmay be different from ours. But wesay and I think we are on goodground here that if you have a dis-agreement with the Central Govern-ment , that if any state disagrees withthe Central Government , it should talkit over with the Central Government;it should try to resolve its differences inprivate instead of telling those differencesto the rest of the world , instead ofshouting at the top of its voice to therest of the world , particularly in aforeign country . After all, we havereceived Members of the Opposition ofother countries and one thing we knowis that whenever Members of suchOpposition come to this country theydo not talk against their Government;they have not even talked privatelyagainst their Government . We knewthey could not agree , otherwise theywill not be in the Opposition vis-a-vistheir own Government . However, theydo not go to the housetops , and shoutevery day against the Central Govern-ment. That certainly is not democracy.It may be the P.A.P.'s brand ofdemocracy , but it certainly is notParliamentary democracy as practisedin the oldest democracies of the world.(HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Hear ! hear!)(Applause). It is , I think , very signifi-cant that the entire career of theHonourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew doesnot bear very close examination. I donot wish to be personal, but I thinkgenerally speaking it is fair to say thathis bitterest enemies are those who wereonce his closest friends . I shall not saymore than that . I think that speaksvolumes and that very fact is far moreeloquent than any words . I have got

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any number of instances, but I do notwish to be personal. But we shouldremember that just before Malaysiahe came practically crawling to theTunku asking the Tunku to help himagainst the Barisan Sosialis. He waswith the Tunku night and day wrigglinggolf invitations, and so on in order toshow to the people of Singapore howclose he was to the Tunku, and yetnow with Malaysia things have takenan entirely different turn.

The Honourable Member for Tan-jong asked us -I think this point wasalso made by Mr Lee Kuan Yew=-Why we have suspended local electionsand he deduces from that fact, orbecause of that, that we do not believein democracy. We also remember thatnot so long ago the P.A.P. Governmentsuspended City Council elections inSingapore. . . . .

SOME HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Abo-lished !

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Abolishedthat is right. In any case, we havesuspended local elections only for thetime being as a temporary measurebecause of the Emergency. In the caseof the P.A.P., City Council electionsin Singapore have been permanentlyabolished. Now, if you compare thetwo, I think certainly the action of theP.A.P. Government is far less demo-cratic than that of our own.

Enche' Wee Toon Boon (Singapore):On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker,Sir, just now the Minister of Financesaid that the State of Singapore abo-lished local council elections, but thereis a difference there. That was an itemin our Party Manifesto which was putto the public. It was only after we hadwon the elections that we carried outthe peoples' mandate; Whereas in thecase of the Central Government. thiswas done even without the courtesy oftabling a motion or a Bill for membersof this House to discuss it (Applause).

Enche' Tan Slew Sin : The Honour-able Member need not worry. We haveno intention of abolishing elections toFederal and State Legislatures and inthe forthcoming elections we can debate

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this point and see whether or not wehave the support of the electorate onthis issue.

Mr Lee Kuan Yew also stated thatwe have not done enough for the ruralareas. As 1 have said, my Honourablefriend, the Minister of Commerce andIndustry has already answered thatpoint, but I wish to make one morepoint. When Mr Lee Kuan Yew quotedonly the estimates of the Ministry ofAgriculture and Co-operatives of only$18 million for 1964, he convenientlyforgot that we have poured about tentimes that amount into the rural areasthrough the Ministry of Rural andNational. Development. He is aware, aswell as anyone of us, of the vast landdevelopment schemes we have alreadyinitiated the vast F.L.D.A. schemes,the group settlement schemes, theirrigation schemes and others but heconveniently forgets all that and con-centrates only on one point. If I maysay so, he is a pastmaster of half-truth(Laughter).

It is also very significant that at thetime of the 1964 general election, hisaccusation was the exact opposite. Hesaid then, in order to win what mightbe called urban support i.e. the supportof the people in the urban areas, i.e.,the Chinese section of the population,that the Alliance Government had donetoo much for the rural areas and notenough for the urban areas. That wasonly one year ago. In fact, he cam-paigned very strongly on this point andyet one year later he reverses himselfcompletely.

The other point which he made wasthat we were taxing the poor to payfor the defence of this country. Isuggest, Sir, that it is sheer effronteryfor him to talk like this, and I will saywhy. Up to about 18 months ago theCentral Provident Fund in Singaporepaid only 2+ per cent per annum toits contributors. Now, all of us knowthat the Provident Fund caters for thepoorest section of the population. Itcertainly does not cater for themillionaires or for the rich becausethey do not have any need for aprovident fund, and yet the SingaporeGovernment, which must have receivedbetween 5+ per cent to 54 per cent for

its investments, returned only 2+ percent to the workers. This, I think, isreprehensible by any standard. In thefirst place, this money belongs to theworkers, it is theirs by right becauseyou use their money to invest and itis clear that by any standard ofjustice you should return practically thewhole lot back to them less the cost ofadministration. In the case of the Statesof Malaya, we returned about 4 percent. I think my figure of 5+ per centis roughly correct unless the SingaporeGovernment is grossly inefficient, whichthey always claim they are not, fornot having got their investments. In anycase, even if you are moderately effi-cient you should get 5+ per cent for along term loan, and yet they returnedonly 2+ per cent to their workers. Itwas only after constant proddings byKuala Lumpur, that recently theybumped up the rate to 5 or 5 percent. That is an example of thesolicitude of the P.A.P. for the poor inSingapore. I say, Mr Speaker, Sir, thatthis act of theirs, and this involvesnot one million dollars, it involveshundreds of millions of dollars, was Ithink the grossest act of deception onthe part of the Singapore Governmenttowards the workers of Singapore(Applause) thousands of them.

Another even better instance ofP.A.P. double talk was their attitudetowards the pioneer companies. In theStates of Malaya, for example , we havealways urged , though it is not in thelegislation, that pioneer firms, especiallypioneer firms based on foreign capital,should at least invite domestic capitalto participate in its equity. This I thinkneeds no elaboration , because it is soobvious. In the case of the States ofMalaya , I think we can say that thevast majority, if not all the firms, whichhave been granted pioneer status, havecomplied with this advice from theGovernment . In the case of the so-called socialist Government of Singa-pore , we have noted any number ofcases where pioneer certificates havebeen handed to firms in which 100 percent of the equity was owned by foreignnationals . That is an example again ofthe P . A.P. attitude towards big businessand foreign big business to boot.

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Mr Lee Kuan Yew in his speechsays, I quote

"We never run away from the open con-frontation as our friends from the BarisanSosialis can testify. We love it; we relish theprospect of a meeting of minds, a conflict ofideas, not of force. We are gentle peoplewho believe very firmly in ideas."

Now, this I think is even a betterstatement and yet it is probably themost untrue of the lot. (Laughter). Ithink if Mr Lee is afraid of anybody,he certainly is afraid of the BarisanSosialis. A few months before Malay-sia, he suggested to us that two thingsshould be done in order to secure whathe called the stability of Singapore. Hesuggested that where a person had beenelected to the Legislative Assembly asthe candidate of a political party, hewill vacate his seat if he resigns fromthe party, or he is expelled from theparty. Now, what is the implication ofthis statement? That means that iftoday you are elected to the SingaporeState Legislative Assembly on a P.A.P.ticket and for some reason or other,say three months later, Mr Lee doesnot like your face-as happened in thecase of Mr Ong Eng Guan he says,"You leave the party, or I will expelyou". Then that person automaticallyvacates his seat in the SingaporeLegislative Assembly. That I think iscertainly undemocratic, we have got tobe very charitable to describe that asdemocracy. But Mr Lee went evenfurther. He suggested that, startingfrom that, if under such circumstancesa seat is vacated, there should be noelection at all but the party concernedwill nominate someone to fill thatvacancy without a by-election. That isthe P.A.P. idea of democracy (HON-OURABLE MEMBERS : Shame ! shame!).I must admit that when this proposalwas put forward to the Central Govern-ment we were horrified. We could notbelieve that the P.A.P. could evenconsider this sort of proposal, and thatis P.A.P. democracy for you. That iswhat Mr Lee calls "the prospect of ameeting of minds, a conflict of ideas."(Laughter) (interruption).

Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong): MrSpeaker, Sir, on a point of clarification.In fact, on who influenced whom, theP.A.P. Government influenced the

Central Government, or the CentralGovernment prevailed in its betterconcept of democracy, if I remembercorrectly, the terms, whereby the LocalAuthorities Elections were suspended,provided for an almost identicalsituation as recommended by Mr Leenine months ago.

Enche ' Tan Siew Sin: The Honour-able Member for Tanjong is barkingup the wrong tree. (Laughter). Therewas no question of the Singapore StateGovernment influencing the CentralGovernment. This proposal was putforward in all seriousness to the CentralGovernment, and we rejected it andthat was where the matter lay, but Iwould like to make it clear that thisproposal concerned elections to theSingapore Legislative Assembly, whichhas nothing to do with the elections inthe States of Malaya.

Mr Speaker, Sir, having said allthese, I would like to make it clearthat we in the Central Government,whatever our differences with theSingapore Government might be, haveno quarrel with the people of Singa-pore. (Applause). Not only do we wishthem well, we also want them toprogress as they should progressbearing in mind some of the greatqualities which they possess in somarked a degree. When our Honour-able Prime Minister, our belovedTunku, stated that he wanted Singaporeto become the New York of Malaysia,I knew he meant every word of whathe said. Let us admit, however, thatwith the best will in the world it is notso easy to co-operate with a StateGovernment, which clearly has nointention of co-operating with theCentral Government, except in so far asit suits it to do so. I do not make thisstatement without good reason and, infact, I can substantiate what I say. Ican give examples, but I do not wishto waste the time of this House. It,however, has to be conceded that, andI am sorry to say this, so long as MrLee Kuan Yew is the Prime Ministerof Singapore, one can almost say thatit will be far easier for the camel togo through the proverbial needle's eyethan for the Central Government to

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co-operate with the Government ofSingapore.

Mr Speaker, Sir, Mr Lee's realmasterpiece fortunately appeared onlythis morning. I regard this as his realmasterpiece. If the newspapers are tobe believed, in a speech which he made,I think, in Singapore last night, hesuggested that there should be partitionif the Central Government refuses toaccept his concept of a MalaysianMalaysia. As I have said already, theconcept of a Malaysian Malaysia wasthought of by the Central Governmentand was put into practice long beforeMr Lee came into politics. (Applause).I say that there would have been noAlliance at all if we had not believedin a Malaysian Malaysia. (Applause).The concept of a Malaysian Malaysiawas born on the day the Alliance wasborn. If there is to be a MalaysianMalaysia at all, and if any credit is tobe given, it is to be given to theAlliance and not to the P.A.P.(Applause. Now, what is the troublewith the P.A.P.? I can assure Honour-able Members on the P.A.P. benchesthat we are not worried when they saythey want to fight us. We do not worryif they say they are more efficient thanthe Central Government. Even that isdebatable. Time will show whetherwe or they are more efficient. In fact,I am not even sure that their financialpolicies are right, but we will notdiscuss it now. I think eighteen monthsfrom now we will see who has got thebetter policies. We do not worry whenMr Lee Kuan Yew says either byimplication or explicitly that he wantsto become the Prime Minister ofMalaysia. Let us see. We, like him, areprepared for the meeting of minds andfor the open contest, otherwise we willnot be where we are today. We do noteven worry if Mr Lee Kuan Yew isover-ambitious. After all, there is noharm in being over-ambitious. It isprobably a sign that he has got talent,some of which is, probably fairlydesirable.

Now, what is our greatest worryabout the P.A.P.? I think the greatestdanger about the P.A.P. and, parti-cularly, its leader, that is the Secretary-General and the Prime Minister of

Singapore, is that it is the greatest dis-ruptive force in the entire history ofMalaya and Malaysia. This proposalwhich was made last night proves itbeyond all shadow of doubt. Now,Mr Lee Kuan Yew, if the newspaper iscorrect, proposed last night that ifMalaysia cannot succeed from hisstandpoint, not from the standpoint ofthe people of Malaysia, then we shoulddo this : take away Singapore -I thinkhe says Malacca (Laughter) . .

Dato' Dr Ismail: Take him awaywith it! (Laughter).

Enche ' Tan Slew Sin: . . Penang,Sabah and Sarawak and let these fiveStates form a separate federation. Now,in order to do this, you clearly musthave a vote, a referendum. and thereare many States -I think probablyPerak, Johore and Selangor are the bestexamples where the numbers of theMalays and the Chinese are roughlyabout equal.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER: MoreChinese !

Enche' Tan Slew Sin: It does notmatter whether they are more or less :roughly they are equal it may be 55to 45; 47 to 53 but roughly they areequal. If today a suggestion is madethat Perak should go to Singapore andJohore to Kuala Lumpur, obviously,there will be many people, hundredsand thousands of people, who will notbe happy with the decision. If thatwere to be implemented, either youhave a wholesale removal of familiesor those who are dissatisfied will haveto remain there by force. One does nothave to be a political genius to, Ithink, guess that this sort of exercisecan only be undertaken at the point ofthe sword. We have seen it done inIndia. India was much easier, becausethat was before independence, wherethings had not settled down. It wasdone in Cyprus, but even in. India, itled to bloodshed and millions ofpeople there were displaced. What itdid was to create millions of refugees,and the bitterness which partitioncreated in India nearly twenty yearsago, has still not died down. In thecase of Cyprus, of course, you knowwhat has happened, but in the case

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of Malaysia, it would be utterlyimpracticable, the country is too small.It is pretty clear that if you want topartition Malaysia, I think that exercisemust produce not only complete chaosbut civil war as well. Then what Ithink is very disturbing to us is thatwe know, and Mr Lee himself hasconfirmed it, that he is the last manin Malaysia to act impulsively healways boasts to us that he takes penand pencil and calculates carefully. So,the very fact that he has mentionedthis in a speech, I think, must force usto the conclusion that this is no new-fangled idea, this is not an idea whichhe has thought up in order to best theHonourable Member for Johore Teng-gara. This was clearly an idea whichhe must have conceived months, if notyears, ago after very careful and seriousdeliberation. We must, therefore, con-clude that this is a serious idea whichhe means to pursue seriously, and Ithink we on our part should take himseriously too. He always boasts that hecalculates coldly and logically, unlikethe Alliance which probably has notgot very much brains to think carefullyand, therefore, I think, we must assumethis is a very serious proposal.

I would also like to say, Sir, and Ithink it is not an unfair statement,that any man who can make this kindof proposal, coldly and deliberately hasa boundless capacity for mischief. Inmy nineteen years of public service, Ihave heard many mischievous state-ments, I have heard many dangerousstatements, but I would like to say thatthis statement which Mr Lee made lastnight is probably the most mischievousand vicious of the lot. (HONOURABLEMEMBERS : Hear, hear!). I say thisin sorrow rather than in anger. I sayit is only a warped mind which isfrustrated in its thirst o power that canconceive this idea. It is not only awarped mind, it is clearly a warpedmind which is prepared to sacrifice, ifnecessary, thousands of lives. It isprepared to shed blood in order toensure that the owner of the mindachieves supreme power. I think thatis the measure of Mr Lee Kuan Yew.

All indications, I am sorry to say,Sir, point to one thing: that if Mr Lee

Kuan Yew has his way on his partitionproposal, if he succeeds by any chance,or mischance, into convincing enoughpeople in this country that partition isthe answer to our differences, then I alsosay, and I am prepared to stake myreputation on these words, that it willinevitably bring Malays and Chineseinto conflict as surely as night followsthe day.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I think it is a pitythat 1 have had to make this speech.I can assure this House that I spokein sorrow rather than in anger. In fact,it is a terrible pity that this is so, thatthese differences should become soacute and so serious, that is thedifferences between Kuala Lumpur andSingapore, because I am convincedthat not only should Malaysia be one,the human race itself should be one.In the last analysis, the interests ofMalaysia are far more important thanthe . interests of any political party(Applause), or even the interests of asingle State. If this truth, if this vitalprinciple is borne in mind, it might yetbe possible to see through the shadowsof today the light of hope which couldbe the reward of tomorrow. (Applause).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah(Kelantan Hilir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,saya telah berhari2 menchuba hendakmendapat peluang berchakap, tetapiAlhamdulillah pada hari ini saya telahdapat peluang ini dan saya uchapkanterima kaseh kapada Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Sa-lama 3 hari ini kita telahmembahathkan usul yang telah di-kemukakan oleh wakil dari Kota StarSelatan is-itu usul untok memberitahniah kapada Duli Yang Maha MuliaSeri Paduka Baginda Yang di-PertuanAgong. Di-dalam sharahan2 yang kitatelah mendengar sa-lama 3 hari ini per-kara konferantasi, sama ada daridalam atau pun dari luar, telahmengambil bahagian yang paling besarsa-kali. Nampak-nya konferantasisedang berjalan sama ada dari luarmahu pun dari dalam makin harimakin besar dan harus konferantasiini kalau tidak di-jaga akibat-nya akanmeruntohkan Malaysia sendiri.

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apabila chadangan Malaysia telah tim-bul untok hendak di-adakan satu negarabaharu nama-nya Malaysia. Di-dalamketerangan2 itu kami telah terangkandengan chukup jelas bahawa Malaysiaini akan mendatangkan huru-hara,porak-peranda kapada tanah ayer kita.Nampak-nya apa yang telah kamiterangkan itu sekarang ini sedang ber-laku dengan chukup giat, tetapi kalauperkara konferantasi ini datang dariluar sahaja tidak-lah menghairankankita tetapi sekarang ini konferantasitelah datang dari dalam pula dengansa-chara yang hebat dan yang palingmerbahaya. Sa-lama 3 hari perbaha-than ini telah berlaku di-dalam Dewanyang mulia ini dan perkataan2 yangpaling merbahaya telah di-keluarkan.P.A.P. telah menchabar KerajaanPerikatan, demikian juga Kerajaan danpenyokong2 Perikatan telah membuatchabaran2 yang merbahaya belaka, sa-hingga pada pagi ini, sa-bagaimanayang kita sakalian telah dengar YangBerhormat Menteri Kewangan telahmembuat satu kenyataan, bahawakenyataan itu is-lah di-buat oleh YangBerhormat Perdana Menteri Singapurabahawa dia berchadang hendak mem-buat partition atau hendak di-belahbahagi Malaysia ini kapada duabahagi. Satu bahagi Malaya ini sahajayang di-perentah oleh Perikatan dansatu bahagi lagi yang terkandong di-dalam-nya Pulau Singapura, Melaka,Pulau Pinang, Sabah dan Sarawakakan di-perentah oleh Mr Lee KuanYew. Ini-lah akhir-nya dan akibat-nyayang telah atau pun akan tiba kapadaMalaysia yang kita agong2kan itu.

Saya yakin, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,perkataan yang telah di-keluarkan olehYang Berhormat Perdana MenteriSingapura sa-malam itu kalau di-keluarkan oleh orang PAS, maka sudahyakin orang PAS itu telah di-tangkapdengan sa-berapa chepat. .

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Sa-rupa Socia-list Front !

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah:... tetapi malang-nya Kerajaan tidak

mengambil atau pun tidak beranimengambil tindakan kapada orangyang sa-lain daripada Persatuan Islamsa-Tanah Melayu atau Socialist Front.

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Di-sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sayasuka-lah terangkan sadikit sa-banyakdi-atas tindakan2 yang di-buat olehKerajaan Pusat kapada orange PAS.Orange PAS telah di-tangkap dan telahdi-tahan bertahun2 lama-nya dalamtahanan. Apa-kah kesalahan merekaitu? Tidak ada sadikit pun kesalahanmereka. Tetapi sa-bagaimana yang kitadengar perkhabaran daripada Kerajaanmengatakan tangkapan dan tahananmereka telah di-jalankan keranamereka menggunakan ugama untokhendak menchapai kejayaan bagi Per-satuan Islam sa.-Tanah Melayu.

Tetapi baharu2 ini di-dalam per-sidangan U.MNO di-Kuala Lumpursendiri, kita telah dapat mendengardan membaeha satu siaran dan per-bahathan yang telah di-kemukakanoleh wakil dari Melaka dan juga dariTrengganu bahawa sa-nya ada-lahsenjata ugama yang telah di-kemuka-kan oleh Parti Islam sa-Tanah Melayutidak ada berjaya kerana Parti Islamsa-Tanah Melayu tidak dapat menangdi-dalam pilehan raya yang baharudi-Melaka dan juga di-Trengganu.Keterangan ini menunjokkan-lah ka-pada kita dengan terang dan jelas,bahawa sa-nya Kerajaan Perikatanchuma berani menangkap orang PASsahaja.

:Dada masa sekarang ini, Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, tangkapan maseh sedang di-jalankan di-negeri Kelantan. Beberapahari yang lalu sa-orang penjual kopidi-Jalan Satu Batu Sa-tengah jalanPengkalan Chempa, padang KapalTerbang, telah di-tahan oleh poliskerana hamba Allah ini is-Iah sa-orangpenyokong PAS yang kuat dan adaorange Perikatan yang selalu ber-bahath2 dengan-nya di-dalam perkarapolitik dan tidak dapat menang danorang ini telah mengadu kapada pehakpolls yang bahawasa-nya orang PAS initelah menjalankan perbuatan subver-sive dan sa-terus-nya, maka hambaAllah itu telah di-tahan sekarang mi.Bahkan orange yang kuat2 di-dalamkawasan saya sendiri telah di-panggiloleh S.B. atau pun Special Branch dandi-ugut mereka itu. Ini-lah tindasanyang sedang di-jalankan oleh KerajaanPerikatan ka-atas orang PAS.

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Tetapi sa-bagaimana yang sayaterangkan tadi, kapada parti yangbesar sadikit saperti P.A.P., Perikatantidak berani membuat demikian. Walaupun Enche' Lee Kuan Yew sa-bagai-mana yang telah di-terangkan olehYang Berhormat Menteri Kewanganbahawa sa-nya Enche' Lee Kuan Yewpergi ka-Moscow walau pun Tunkutidak bersetu ju dengan lawatan itu danjuga dia telah menulis surat berulang2kali kapada Perdana Menteri ChouEn-Lai. Perbuatan ini ada-lah per-buatan yang paling merbahaya kapadakeselamatan negara tetapi kenapa-kahKeraj aan Perikatan berdiam dirisahaja?

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: Mr Speaker,Sir, is the Honourable Membersuggesting that to write in reply to aletter from the Prime Minister of thePeople's Republic of China is an actof subversion which undermines thesecurity of Malaysia? Is he seriouslysuggesting that?

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah:Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah sagamemberi fahaman yang bagitu tetapiperbuatan menulis surat ka-CommunistChina, dan tegoran yang telah di-berikan oleh Perdana Menteri sa-bagaimana yang telah di-terangkanoleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Ke-wangan, jangan pergi ka-Moscow danis pergi juga, ini menunjokkan per-bvatan pertentangan dengan kemahuandan policy Kerajaan Pusat.

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew : Mr' Speaker,Sir, is the Honourable Memberseriously suggesting that any man whogoes to Moscow is a threat to thiscountry? Is he aware that the Federa-tion Government sponsored a delega-tion of rubber merchants to visitMoscow, Warsaw, and other EasternEuropean capitals only a few monthsago?

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah:Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita dapatfaham, bukan-lah kita ini orang yangbodoh. Kalau sa-orang ahli politikyang besar pergi melawat ka-Moscow,tentu-lah ada perkara yang pentingyang hendak di-bahathkan di-dalamperkara politik. Kalau ahli perdaga-ngan pergi ka-sana, maka tentu-Iah kitatahu orang perdagangan itu ka-sana

untok membahathkan perkara per-dagangan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua .

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: Mr' Speaker,Sir, is it suggested that if one went asa tourist and went on sight seeing, allis well?

Mr Speaker: I really hope that thetwo Honourable Members understandeach other : one speaks in English andthe other in Malay. (Laughter).

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah:Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah mem-ber peluang kapada Yang Berhormatsudah banyak kali, dan saya sekarangini sa-bagaimana Tuan Yang di-Pertuakata, pada pukul 2 ini akan di-tutuppeluang berbahath, jadi saya tidak-fahdapat memberi peluang, saya harapjangan-lah dia marah kapada saya.Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sambong-kan lagi. Tindasan Kerajaan Perikatankapada ahli2 PAS bagitu hebat danbagitu giat bukan sahaja di-dalam segipolitik bahkan di-dalam segi perdaga-ngan pun bagitu juga.

Di-sini ada sa-orang ahli PAS telahmendapat lesen menjalankan satujentera memberi api leterek di-PekanLanggar, Alor Star, di-Kedah sana.Oleh sebab hamba Allah ini terdiridaripada orang PAS, maka orangUMNO di-sana di-dalam satu per-sidangan tahunan 1964--PertubohanMelayu Bersatu chawangan Langgartelah membuat berbagai2 keputusandan satu daripada keputusan itu baginibunyi-nya :

AJENDA YANG KELIMALaing hal.

Majlis bersetuju menerima chadanganbersama dari Pergerakan Kaum Ibu danPergerakan Pemuda2 UMNO supayaUMNO chawangan ini mendesak Ke-rajaan supaya mengambil aleh perbekalanapi leterek di-Pekan Langgar sa-chepatmungkin.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini-lah minitmeshuarat parti UMNO chawanganLanggar Alor Star, Kedah, pada tahun1964. Oleh sebab desakan ini dari-pada pehak kaum ibu UMNO danpemuda UMNO maka satu surat dari-pada Central Electricity Board ber-tarikh 18 haribulan December, 1964telah mengambil tindakan menarekbalek lesen itu daripada orang PAS.Kedana apabila hamba Allah ini dengar

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Kerajaan hendak tarek balek lesen-nyais telah menulis surat kapada CentralElectricity Board mengadukan hal di-atas perkara ini dan ini-lah jawapanyang telah di-terima daripada RajaZainal bin Raja Sulaiman , TimbalanPengerusi dan Pengurus Besar Lem-baga Leterek Pusat, ini-lah kandongansurat-nya :

"Di-ma`alomkan bahawa surat tuan ber-tarikh 10 haribulan December, 1964, telahdi-terima dan faham-lah saya atas apa2 yangtersebut di-dalam-nya . Dukachita saya mem-ber tahu kapada tuan , bahawa lesen itu telahdi-baharui hanya sa-lama sa-tahun sahaja,maka ini ada -lah mengikut arahan daripadaKementerian Perdagangan dan Perusahaanoleh sebab bekalan leterek KampongLanggar sa-lepas itu akan di-jalankan olehLembaga Leterek Pusat."

Di-sini dapat kita fahamkan bahawasa-nya Lembaga Bekalan Leterek Pusatini telah menarek lesen yang telah di-berikan kapada sa-orang PAS yangtelah menjalankan jentera ini beberapatahun lama-nya. mi satu tanda yangpaling terang yang bahawa sa-nyaorang UMNO dan Perikatan bukansahaja menindas orang PAS di-dalamsegi politik bahkan juga di-dalam segiekonomi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalammasaalah yang akhir ini, nampak-nvaKerajaan Perikatan telah mengambillangkah2 yang mengharukan perasaanra ayat jelata. Baharu2 ini pada 13haribulan Mei, Kerajaan telah meng-haramkan mogok. Kita tahu mogoklnl la-lah satu senjata sahaja bagi kaumburoh untok membela kedudokan dankepentingan mereka, itu pun telah di-tarek oleh Kerajaan. Saya fikir per-buatan ini bukan-lah akan mengun-tongkan Parti Perikatan dan KerajaanPerikatan, bahkan akan menguntongkankapada. Parti P.A.P. Kerana PartiP.A.P. boleh berkata kapada kaumburoh bahawa "kami aku hak dankepentingan kaum buroh. Oleh sebabyang demikian kami tidak mengharam-kan mogok ka-atas kaum buroh". MrLee Kuan Yew boleh kata dan jugaP.A.P. boleh kata dengan terang danjelas, "tengok-lah perbuatan Perikatanhingga sampai mogok, •ia-itu chumasatu senjata bagi orang kaum burohitu pun telah di-hapuskan".

Perkataan yang bagini, dan da`awaanyang bagini tidak-lah sa-kali2 akan

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menguntongkan Parti Perikatan danKerajaan Perikatan bahkan akanmerugikan sa-besar2 kerugian dan kitadengar baharu2 ini bahawa LabourUnion dan CUEPACS dan lain2 per-tubohan lagi telah membuat chadanganbahawa mereka akan mendirikan sa-buah Parti Siasah untok membela ke-pentingan mereka. Saya fikir kalau sa-kira-nya ada pilehan raya di-dalamperengkat masa yang sengkat di-TanahMelayu ini tetap P.A.P. akan menda-pat satu senjata yang besar sa-kaliuntok mengalahkan Parti Perikatan di-dalam pilehan raya itu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lawatan yangtelah di-buat oleh Yang Amat Berhor-mat Timbalan Perdana Menteri danyang akhir2 ini pula oleh Duli YangMaha Mulia Seri Paduka BagindaYang di-Pertuan Agong ka-negara2Arab sangat-lah balk dan kena padatempat-nya. Di-harapkan moga= denganlawatan yang telah di-buat oleh DuliYang Maha Mulia itu ka-sana akandapat merapatkan lagi perhubongandan fahaman di-antara Kerajaan Pusatdengan Kerajaan Arab. Tetapi satuperkara yang saya suka hendak menegordan menasihatkan kapada KerajaanPerikatan, bahawa lawatan yang telahdi-buat oleh Timbalan Perdana Menterika-Afrika baharu2 ini dan keterangan2yang telah di-berikan oleh Yang AmatBerhormat Timbalan Perdana Menterikapada ketua2 dan penganjor2 Afrikaitu semua-nya di-terima dengan balk,tetapi ada satu perkara yang merekatidak dapat memuaskan hati merekais-itu dua tiga perkara yang sedang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Tanah Melayu.Pertama-nya is-lah perkara akuanKerajaan Malaysia kapada KerajaanIsrael. Lagu mana sa-kali pun kitamenchuba hendak memperbaiki per-hubongan diplomatik kita denganorange Arab supaya dapat-lah merekaitu menyokong kita bagi kemasokan kiraka-dalam Persidangan Afro-Asia yangakan datang ini, tidak-lah akan mem-ber kejayaan yang penoh sa-lama kitatidak tarek balek akuan kita kapadaKerajaan Israel itu. Maseh orange Arabdan negara Arab bertanya2 kerana apa-kah, kalau sunggoh Kerajaan Malaysiajujor dan bersunggoh2 hendak memper-baiki perhubongan di-antara dunia

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Arab dengan Kerajaan Malaysia, keranaapa-kah maseh lagi akuan yang di-berikapada Kerajaan Israel itu tidak di-tarek balek. Ini satu soal yang palingpenting.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang kedua-nyais-lah kedudokan tentera Inggeris di-dalam tanah ayer kita. Ini satu masa-alah yang tidak dapat di-telan olehpenganjor2 Afrika dengan senang danmudah. Ada berita dari sa-orangwartawan yang telah pergi bersama2dengan Yang Berhormat TimbalanPerdana Menteri, di-dalam lawatan-nyaka-negeri Afrika di-sana, sa-telah balek-nya daripada lawatan itu is telahmembuat kenyataan di-dalam suratkhabar Inggeris, juga di-dalam Utu sanMelayu, wartawan daripada UtusanMelayu sendiri pun telah menulis di-dalam surat khabar-nya yang berkata,walau pun lawatan itu telah memberisatu keterangan yang paling jelas di-atas kedudokan Malaysia di-dalamperkara konfrantasi dengan Indonesiatetapi _ mereka itu tidak dapat terimadengan senang-nya kedudokan tenteraInggeris di-dalam tanah ayer kita danjuga sokongan Yang Amat BerhormatTunku Abdul. Rahman, PerdanaMenteri, kapada perbuatan KerajaanAmerika menggugorkan bom2 ka-atasorang dan pendudok2 di-negeri VietnamUtara. Oleh sebab yang demikian sayaharap-lah kapada Kerajaan, ulang kajibalek polisi2 yang telah menyusahkankedudokan Kerajaan bagi kemasokankita ka-dalam Persidangan Afro-Asiayang akan datang mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, uchapan sayadalam 10 minit lagi akan habis. Di-sinisuka-lah saya hendak menyentoh sadikitdi-dalam soal kedudokan orange Melayudi-dalam tanah ayer kita sendiri. Sa-bagaimana kenyataan yang telah kitadengar di-dalam Rumah ini dua tigahari yang lalu, bahawa orange Melayusekarang ini sudah menjadi 39% di-dalam tanah ayer kita sendiri. Dahulu-nya kita-lah yang menjadi major com-munity atau pun bangsa yang mem-punyai majority, sekarang ini kita telahmenjadi 39% sahaja. Siapa-kah yangtelah menjadikan kedudokan kita makinsa-hari makin burok sa-hingga kita,orang Melayu, yang tuan rumah baginegeri ini, menjadi satu kaum sahaja

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di-dalam tanah ayer kita yang mem-punyai bilangan 39% sahaja dan sa-bagaimana yang telah di-terangkan olehMenteri Kewangan bahawa orang Chinatelah lebeh dari 40%. Siapa-kah yangtelah menjalankan polisi2 ini? Tidaklain dan tidak bukan is-lah Perikatandan UMNO yang pengkhianat kapadabangsa kita.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, barangkaliorang akan berkata bahawa P.A.S. iniis-lah satu Parti perkauman. Tetapisaya harap-lah kapada saudara2 kitamemikirkan apa-kah akan j adi kapadaorang Melayu di-dalam masa 25 tahunyang akan datang dengan polisi2 yangsedang di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan Per-ikatan di-dalam tanah ayer kita. Lihatdalam Universiti, berapa peratus sahajaorang Melayu di-sana, 15 peratus.Lihat-lah kapada Jabatan2 yangpenting2 . . . .

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, untok penjelasan, bukan15% tetapi 28%.

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah:Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lihat-lah kapadaJabatan2 Kerajaan, di-atas sahaja orangMelayu dan di-bawah-nya kesemua-nyabukan orang Melayu. Peerbuatan siapa-kah ini ka-atas orange Melayu? MrSpeaker, Sir, Malays will be reduced tothe status of beggars in their owncountry in 20 years time to come.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sekarang biarsaya sentoh sadikit tentang perkaraekonomi. Di-dalam Titah di-Raja adaterkandong bahawa satu KongresEkonomi Bumiputera akan di-adakanpada 5, 6 dan 7 haribulan ini. Inimemang satu chadangan yang baik dantenaga yang elok, yang orange Melayusudah menanti2, tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita jemput orange Melayu yangsudah lama menderita dan mendapattekanan dan tindasan di-dalam ekonomiini yang tidak pula mempunyaipengalaman yang tinggi dan di-dalamperkara perdagangan untok mereka itubertemu dan bertukar2 fikiran. Apa-kahyang dapat kita harapkan? Kalauorange ini terdiri daripada orange yangmempunyai pengalaman yang tinggi di-dalam perdagangan dan perusahaan,harus barangkali mereka itu dapatmenunjokkan ubat2-nya, dapat memberi

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keterangan2, atau pun penjelasan2supaya Kerajaan mengambil tindakanuntok memperbaiki kedudokan ekonomimereka, tetapi petty businessmensahaja yang kita jemputkan dan kitasuroh mereka itu berbahath di-antaramereka itu. Apa-kah yang akan dapatdan timbul daripada perbahathanmereka itu? P'endapat2 mereka itutidak-lah akan dapat mengubati ke-dudokan ekonomi orange Melayusekarang ini yang, makin hari makinburok. Kongres ini chuma-nya sa-bagaisatu langkah yang boleh di-katakandalam bahasa Melayu kita sa-bagai"batok di-tangga" sahaja, kerana orangekampong sekarang ini sudah meng-gelisah dan mengadu hal-nya ka-sanaka-sini di-atas kedudokan mereka ituyang sa-makin hari sa-makin buroksupaya Kerajaan mengambil tindakan.Jadi, di-jemput mereka itu datang ka-sini supaya dapat mengeluarkanperasaan marah mereka itu bersama2,kemudian mereka itu pun akan di-berisatu jamuan dan lepas itu pulang-lahmereka itu ka-kampong masing2 didalam keadaan puas hati.

Di-dalam Jabatan2 Kerajaan sendiripun belum dapat lagi Kerajaan meng-ubati penyakit2-nya. Saya akan bacha-kan satu potongan akhbar UtusanMelayu yang bertarikh 7 haribulanFebruari, 1965. Ini tajok-nya :

Hati kita bertanya, apa-kah dalam kawasanyang jarak-nya 20 batu, kita mempunyai 2bush perusahaan membuat Kilang Kertas.

Dan mengikut keterangan ini bahawasa-nya Yang Berhormat Menteri Per-tanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama padamasa itu is-lah Yang Berhormat Enche'Mohamed Khir Johari kita, telah mem-buat satu siaran bahawa sa-nya Kera-jaan akan mendirikan satu KilangKertas di-Seberang Prai Utara dan istelah memberi jaminan . Ini bunyij aminan-nya di-dalam Surat Nombor15 keluaran October, 1964. Bunyi-nya :

Hal ini menambah mengembirakan lagidengan Jaminan Menteri Pertanian danSharikat Kerjasama menegaskan KerajaanPersekutuan tidak akan membenarkan sa-barang ranchangan untok membena KilangKertas yang lain dalam negeri ini , sa-hinggaKilang Kertas Sharikat Kerjasama yang di-ranchangkan untok di -dirikan di-Lahad Tiang,Seberang Prai itu di-dirikan.

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Jaminan ini di-buat oleh MenteriPertanian kita di-dalam Surat BeritaKerjasama, Nombor 15, bulan Oktober,1964, yang telah di-edarkan kapadaseluroh ahli2 sharikat kerjasama. Apa-kah yang telah berlaku kapada KilangKertas yang di-chadangkan itu? Bahkansurat khabar ini ada menerang danmenyiarkan bahawa satu bangunanKilang Kertas telah di-bangunkan olehorang bersendirian, tetapi Kilang Kertassharikat kerjasama yang telah di-chadangkan oleh Menteri sendiri sa-hingga sampai sekarang ini belumdapat di-dirikan lagi.

Ini ada-lah satu penyakit keranaKerajaan sendiri telah memberikanjaminan kapada ra`ayat jelata untokmendirikan-nya kenapa-kah Kerajaansendiri tidak dapat berbuat demikian.Banyak lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,keterangan2 yang boleh kita tunj okkankapada ra`ayat jelata yang Kerajaantidak dapat memperbaiki ekonomiorange Melayu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orange Melayukita sekarang di-dalam kampong, di-dalam segi pertanian ada-lah per capitaproductivity penghasilan-nya bagitiap2 sa-orang tidak bertambah, bahkanberkurangan. Kenapa? Dahulu-nya,kalau di-dalam satu ekar sa-orangsahaja yang bekerja, sekarang keranaanak2-nya tidak mendapat kerja di-dalam perusahaan, dan terpaksa-lahmereka itu bekerjasama dengan bapa-nya di-dalam satu ekar tanah yangpendapatan-nya chuma $300 juga. Jadi,ada-kah per capita productivity itusudah lebeh? Tentu tidak, bahkan ber-kurang.

Yang pelek-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, harga barang2 kampong ada-lahmurah, kerana tidak ada pasaran yangterator dan tidak ada satu atoran yangdi-buat oleh Kerajaan Perikatan sa-lama Kerajaan Perikatan memerentah8 tahun lama-nya, untok membenanasib orange kampong ini bagi menjualbarang2 hasil mereka dengan hargayang baik.

Perkara Kilang Getah RIDA. Di-Kelantan chuma ada satu Kilang Getahsahaja untok menolong pekebun2 kechil.Ini-kah policy Kerajaan Perikatanyang berkata hendak memperbaiki

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kedudokan orange Melayu dalam segiekonomi? Sedangkan barang2 keluaranmereka itu tidak mendapat harga yangtinggi, bahkan harga yang paling murah.Pisang, sa-bagaimana yang saya telahterangkan dahulu, is-itu di-Pahang di-jual satu kati dengan harga 2 sen. Di-bandar2 di-sini berapa sen harga-nya?Dua puloh sen satu kati di-jual. Ada-kah Kerajaan Perikatan telah bertindakuntok membela orange ini, orangekampong ini yang terpaksa menjualpisang mereka itu dengan harga 2 sensatu kati?

Chuba tuan2 berjalan dari sini ka-Pahang, melalui Temerloh di-tepi2jalan Temerloh, tuan2 akan dapatibahawa ada orang yang menjualpapaya buah betek dengan harga 5sen satu biji buah-nya besar. Di-siniberapa sen harga-nya satu biji? Apa-kah langkah2 yang Kerajaan Perikatantelah buat untok memperbaiki ke-dudokan mereka itu supaya dapatmereka itu menjual barang2-nya denganharga yang lebeh tinggi. Di-dalam Titahdi-Raja di-sebutkan bahawa sa-nyakenaikkan pengeluaran bagi tiap2 tahunsudah meningkat 5% tetapi apa-kahsatu keterangan yang Kerajaan dapatmengemukakan kapada orang ramai sa-bagai satu alasan bagi Kerajaan yangberkata bahawa sa-nya penghasilanpengeluaran barang2 sudah bertambah5%. Sa-kurang2-nya hendak-lah Kera-jaan menunjokkan gross nationalproductivity bagi tahun 1964, daritahun 1965 dengan bilangan pendudokMalaysia, maka di-situ dapat-lah di-ukor betul-kah, atau tidak bahawakeluaran barang2 itu telah bertambah5 % atau berapa persen-kah. Semuaorang boleh agak belaka tetapi ke-dudokan di-kampong sangat-lah me-nyedehkan. Barang2 yang mereka belisaperti gula dan segala2-nya harga-nyamenengkat ka-langit, tetapi hargabarang2 mereka itu sendiri makin sa-hari sa-makin kurang. Harga padi yangdi-jamin oleh Kerajaan is-lah $16tetapi petani Melayu tidak dapat men-jual dengan harga $16 yang di-jaminoleh Kerajaan itu, kerana tipu dayadengan bermacham helah yang di-buatkan ka-atas petani Melayu itu.Apa-kah tindakan yang Kerajaan telahambil untok menyekat middleman

supaya mereka tidak dapat menghisapdarah petani2 itu lagi?

Dr Tan Chee Khaon: Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, saya hendak berchakaptentang pindaan yang di-chadangkanoleh Perdana Menteri Singapura ... .

Mr Speaker: I think you have spokenbefore.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: But we areon the amendment by the HonourablePrime Minister of Singapore. Surely,Sir, I am entitled to speak on it. I shallnot take long, Sir.

Mr Speaker: Will you please sitdown. I think I have to give a chanceto the others.

The Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives (Enche' Mohamed Ghazalibin Haji Jawi): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,saya mengambil peluang ' di-sini me-nyokong chadangan yang di-bawa olehAhli dari Kota Star Selatan memberiuchapan terima kaseh dan tahniahkapada Duli Yang Maha Mulia SeriPaduka Baginda Yang di-PertuanAgong di-atas uchapan-nya itu. Di-dalam uchapan2 daripada Ahli2 Dewan,saya suka mengambil peluang di-sinimenerangkan sadikit berkenaan denganuchapan yang di-buat oleh PerdanaMenteri Singapura, Enche' Lee KuanYew.

Di-dalam uchapan Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri Singapura, Enche' LeeKuan Yew di-Dewan Ra`ayat pada27hb Mei, 1965, beliau mengatakanyang Kerajaan Perikatan telah tidakmembuat apa2 berkenaan dengan ke-majuan pertanian di-dalam negeri ini,khas-nya di-dalam bidang menambah-kan pendapatan ra`ayat di-dalamkawasan luar bandar. Beliau telahberkata bukan sahaja di-dalam Dewanini bahkan di-dalam mana2 forum,hatta di-luar negeri, is-itu hanya wangsa-banyak $18 juta sahaja telah di-belanj akan di-dalam bidang pertaniandan sa-bahagian besar daripada per-untokan itu di-gunakan untok mem-bayar gaji2 Menteri dan pegawai2 di-Kementerian Pertanian dan SharikatKerjasama sahaja. Saya ingin menafikannndapat yang tidak benar yang di-keluarkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormatitu tentang peranan yang di-mainkan

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oleh Kerajaan Perikatan di-dalam per-kembangan ekonomi pertanian Malay-sia. Wang sa-jumlah $18 juta yang di-katakan oleh Yang Berhormat ituhanya-lah merupai perbelanjaan untokmengendali pentadbiran Kerajaan Pusatbagi Kementerian Pertanian danSharikat Kerjasama di-dalam BahagianTeknikal, dan di-antara-nya sa-banyak60 peratus untok membayar gaji2.Peruntokan sa-banyak itu tidak-lahboleh sadikit pun di-kaitkan sa-bagaiperuntokan Kerajaan Pusat di-dalambidang ekonomi pertanian.

Saperti yang telah di-sedari oleh YangBerhormat itu bahawa pertanian ada-lah sangat mustahak di-dalam ekonomikebangsaan Malaysia. Hampir2 sa-tengah daripada pengeluaran kebang-saan terbit-nya dari pertanian danhampir2 60 peratus daripada pendudok2negeri ini terdiri dari kaum tani. Sa-laindari itu, elok-lah di-tegaskan bahawa3 hasil yang di-dapati daripada eksepotterdiri dari pengeluaran pertanian.Tidak shak lagi yang perkembanganpertanian menjadi satu daripada unsor2yang penting dalam bidang perekono-mian negara dan oleh sebab itu-lahpertanian di-letakkan pada tempat yangistimewa di-dalam Ranchangan Pem-bangunan Negara mi. Sa-sunggoh-nyasatu daripada tujuan yang besar di-dalam Peringkat Kedua RanchanganKemajuan Lima Tahun itu di-dapatiberbunyi demikian :

"Mengadakan kemudahan2 dan memberipe'uang kapada pendudok2 di-kawasan luarbandar bagi meninggikan ekonomi dan tarafhidup mereka."

dan tujuan lain yang sama sahajamustahak-nya is-lah "membanyakkanjenis2 pengeluaran Malaysia denganmenitek-beratkan di-dalam bidangkemajuan pengeluaran pertanian yangsesuai sa-lain daripada tanaman getah."Bagi menchapai tujuan itu maka Kera-j aan Perikatan telah menumpukan sa-bahagian besar daripada peruntokankemajuan-nya di-dalam RanchanganKemajuan Lima Tahun Yang Pertama(1956-1960) dan Ranchangan LimaTahun Yang Kedua (1961-1965) kapadatujuan2 untok memberi faedah kapadapendudok2 di-luar .Bandar.

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lagi daripada apa yang boleh di-chakap-kan. Di-dalam Ranchangan KemajuanLima Tahun Yang Pertama wang sa-jumlah $227.5 juta merupai sa-banyak23.4 peratus daripada penanaman modal`am ada-lah berkisar di-dalam bidangpertanian. Di-dalam Ranchangan Ke-majuan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua pulamatalamat yang telah di-kaji sa-mulamenunjokkan bahawa sa-banyak $549.8juta telah di-peruntokkan di-dalambidang pertanian is-itu merupai 21.1peratus daripada jumlah penanamanmodal `am sa-banyak $2,606,000. Sa-kira-nya kalau kita memandang kapadaperanan yang sa-benar yang di-j alankandi-dalam Ranchangan Kemajuan LimaTahun Yang Kedua dan kalau di-sedutkan dari butir2 perbelanjaan yangbesar, boleh-lah kita dapati bahawabidang Pant dan Taliayer sahaja telahmenggunakan sa-banyak $76.4 juta sa-hingga tahun 1964. Hasil yang sa-benardi-chapai di-dalam masa tiga tahunranchangan itu di-mulakan di-dalambidang pembenaan sahaja, sa-banyak27 projek taliayer bagi mengayerikawasan sa-luas lebeh kurang 109,000ekar sawah dan sa-banyak 13 projeklagi bagi mengayeri sawah sa-banyak106,000 ekar telah pun siap di-bena.Di-dalam bidang2 lain yang tidakkurang mustahak-nya di-dalam Ran-changan Lima Tahun Yang Kedua itutermasok-lah peruntokan sa-banyak $20juta bagi pinjaman kerjasama, $15j uta Pemulehan Sa-mula dan MenanamKelapa; sa-banyak $20 juta lagi di-peruntokkan kapada penyelidekan dankerja2 extension dalam bidang per-tanian; bagitu juga sa-banyak $10 jutadi-untokkan kapada ternakan serta $7.2j uta untok perikanan. Angka2 yangtersebut itu tidak-lah termasok dua lagiunsor2 perbelanjaan yang besar yangterkeluar dari portfolio saya, tetapidapat di-katakan perkara ini termasokdi-dalam bidang perkembangan per-tanian. Apa yang saya maksudkanis-lah sa-banyak $140.8 juta telah di-untokkan di-dalam bidang menanamgetah sa-mula dan sa-banyak $156.9juta untok kemajuan tanah.

Angka2 yang telah saya nyatakan ituboleh di-dapati daripada laporan"Interim Review of Development inMalaya under the Second Five-Year

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Plan" dan Yang Berhormat P'erdanaMenteri Singapura sa-bagai sa-orangAhli Dewan ini telah pun di-beri satusalinan pada tahun lepas. Kalau-lahbeliau semak pada muka 7 laporantersebut, beliau tidak shak lagi bolehnampak yang sa-bahagian benar dari-pada peruntokan untok pertanian dankemajuan luar Bandar telah di-chadang-kan sa-banyak $712 juta bagi tempohdari tahun 1961 sa-hingga tahun 1965.Dari jumlah itu sa-banyak $75 jutatelah pun di-belanjakan di-dalam tahun1961, $166 juta di-dalam tahun 1962dan $163 juta di-dalam tahun 1963.Perbelanjaan bagi tahun 1964 ada-lahlebeh tinggi lagi. Sa-kira-nya kalau di-pukul rata dari ketiga2 tahun itu, dapat-lah di-lihat yang pada tiap2 tahun sa-banyak $100 juta telah di-belanjakanoleh Kerajaan Pusat bagi perkembanganekonomi kawasan luar bandar di-dalamnegeri2 di-Tanah Melayu sahaja. Per-belanjaan itu tidak pula di-kira per-untokan biasa dan peruntokan ke-majuan yang di-belanjakan olehKerajaan Negeri.

Sa-bagaimana Ahli2 Dewan sediam a`alum tiga daripada j abatan di-bawahKementerian Pertanian dan SharikatKerj asama ada-lah perkara2 yang ter-masok dalam State List atau pun di-bawah jagaan Negeri is-itu Pertanian,Pant dan Tali Ayer dan juga JabatanHaiwan. Kalau pula di-kirakan per-belanj aan di-dalam tahun 1963 sahaj abagi 10 buah negeri dengan tidak ter-masok Kelantan, maka jumlah bagisemua bidang perbelanjaan untokJabatan2 Pertanian Negeri ada-lah sa-banyak $5.6 juta, sa-banyak $2.5 jutauntok Jabatan2 Haiwan Negeri dan sa-banyak $19 juta untok Jabatan2 Pantdan Tali Ayer Negeri. Sa-kira-nya kitajumlahkan semua sa-kali angka2 itukita akan dapati jumlah-nya hampirbenar kapada perbelanjaan KerajaanPerikatan yang telah di-belanjakanuntok ekonomi pertanian di-dalamTanah Melayu pada tiap2 tahun. Sayatelah hitong angka2 itu dan di-dapatijumlah-nya ada-lah lebeh kurang $150juta bagi perbelanjaan tiap2 tahun is-itulebeh daripada 8 kali ganda daripadaangka $18 juta sahaja yang selalu di-nyanyi2kan oleh Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri itu. Angka2 ini, walau

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bagaimana pun, hanya merupal pena-naman modal dalam sector orang ramaisahaja.

Perkara yang mesti di-sedari benaris-itu bahagian yang penting di-dalamusaha2 Kerajaan di-dalam bidang per-tanian is-lah memberi kemudahan2 danmemberi peluang bagi membolehkanperkembangan pertanian terlaksana di-kalangan sector orang persaorangan.Kita semua sedar bahawa sementarapenanaman modal orang ramai atau"public investment" itu ada-lah di-tentukan oleh Kerajaan Pusat danKerajaan2 Negeri dan boleh jadi sadikitperbadanan2, penanaman modal ituada-lah hasil dari beribu2 bahkan ber-juta2 unit pengeluaran persaorangan.Manakala penanaman modal orangramai itu bertujuan mengadakan bahan2dan kemudahan2 untok pengeluaranmaka boleh-lah kita dapati kebanyakandaripada bahan2 yang perlu lagi di-kehendaki dengan segera itu menam-bahkan pengeluaran dan pendapatandi-kalangan sector persaorangan atau"private sector". Bidang ini ada-lahmembayangkan bertambah-nya hasilpengeluaran pertanian Tanah Melayu,perikanan, kayuan2 dan juga bahan2makanan pertanian.

Perkara yang mesti di-tegaskan is-itusunggoh pun peruntokan bagi menam-bahkan kemudahan2 tali ayer dan charaternakan yang elok termasok meng-gunakan biji2 beneh yang boleh menge-luarkan hasil yang lumayan atau punyang baik serta menggunakan baja2 ituboleh memberikan pengeluaran yangdi-chita2kan, tetapi kemahuan petani2hendak menambahkan pengeluaran-nyasendiri itu tidak-lah boleh di-pisahkandaripada ranchangan ini. Kemahuanyang berbentok kemahuan ekonomiyang di-sebutkan itu ada-lab bergantongdi-atas keadaan di-sekitar kesanggupanpetani2 itu boleh memasarkan hasil2pengeluaran-nya, sa-bagaimana yangtelah di-terangkan oleh Yang Berhormatdaripada Kelantan. Oleh yang demikianKerajaan Perikatan ada-lab memandangberat is-itu peranan yang tidak kurangpenting-nya yang di-mainkan oleh Ke-rajaan is-lah supaya petani2, pekebun2getah kechil, kelapa, pengeluar2 nanasserta juga nelayan2 dapat mengechappendapatan yang besar dari aliran

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ekonomi negeri mi. Tetapi malang-nyapada hari ini chara2 pemasaran di-dalam bidang pertanian yang ada ituboleh di-sifatkan sa-bagai chara pe-masaran lapok. Sebab2 perkara initer jadi ada-lah di-sebutkan di-dalampenerangan Rang Undang2 Pemasaranyang saya akan bawa ka-dalam Majlisini di-dalam meshuarat ini juga.

Wakil daripada Kelantan telahmenyuarakan perkara berkenaan de-ngan pemasaran ini dan telah berkata,mengapa-kah di-Kelantan barang2 pe-ngeluaran hasil tanaman tidak mendapatharga yang balk terutama-nya padi,sunggoh pun Kerajaan telah menetap-kan $16 sa-pikul tetapi ra`ayat tidakmendapat $16 bahkan ada yang men-dapat $10 atau kurang daripada itu.Jadi dalam masaalah ini banyak faktoratau perkara2 yang bersangkutandengan-nya patut di-kaji dan juga di-baiki. Salah satu daripada-nya, sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang BerhormatDewan sedia ma`alum, is-lah berkenaandengan peranan yang di-permainkanoleh orange tengah is-itu menurunkanharga2 yang telah di-tetapkan olehKerajaan. Tetapi di-dalam negeriKelantan ada lain faktor daripada orangtengah itu, is-itu sebab-nya is-lahketiadaan mendapat kerjasama yangsa-penoh daripada Kerajaan Negeri ituberhubong dengan kilang'- padi yangada di-dalam negeri itu. Sunggoh punpehak Kementerian Pertanian danSharikat Kerjasama telah merayu danmendesak supaya kilang2 padi di-dalamnegeri itu di-khaskan kapada Sharikat2Kerjasama, tetapi di-dalam negeriKelantan boleh di-katakan hari inilebeh banyak kilang padi yang haramdaripada kilang padi yang halal.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul AhmadMianji (Pasir Mas Hilir): Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, untok penjelasan Yang Ber-hormat Menteri yang berkenaan, bukanKerajaan Kelantan yang membawamasok kilang2 kechil ini, di-benarkanoleh Kerajaan Persekutuan sendiri danmasaalah yang di-chakapkan olehWakil Kelantan Hilir tadi bukan hargapadi di-Kelantan, harga padi umum di-seluroh Tanah Melayu ini bagitu-lahgaya-nya.

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mana kita sedia ma`alum, kuasa mem-ber lesen berkenaan dengan kilangpadi ada-lah dudok-nya di-Kemente-rian Perdagangan dan Perusahaan,tetapi kuasa itu telah pun di-serahkanatau di-wakilkan kapada KerajaanNegeri dan Kerajaan Negeri-lah ber-kuasa hari ini mendaftarkan ataumengeluarkan lesen2 berkenaan dengankilang2 padi dan sa-bagaimana yangsaya sebut di-dalam negeri Kelantanlebeh banyak kilang2 padi yang haramdaripada kilang2 padi yang mempunyailesen atau pun yang di-benarkan danperkara ini saya telah rundingkan de-ngan Kerajaan Kelantan dan Kerajaanitu tidak sanggup mengambil langkahanbagi menutup kilang2 yang haram yangada itu.

Oleh sebab petani2 dan nelayan2 kitahanya dapat bergerak di-dalam usaha2yang terhad dan tidak chukup modal,maka tidak-lah mereka mempunyaikuasa2 untok membanyakkan hasil2pengeluaran mereka bagitu juga tidakberupaya mendapat harga yang patutdan akhir-nya mereka terpedaya olehorange tengah, langkah2 telah di-jalan-kan untok mengatasi kelemahan2 itu.chontoh-nya Kerajaan telah menetap-kan harga padi dan menj alankan Sha-rikat2 Kerjasama untok memperbaikiatau memberi kapada petani2 itu hakatas hasil2 pengeluaran-nya tetapi charaitu tidak menchukupi. Oleh yang demi-kian satu chara yang di-kehendaki di-lakukan dengan tidak boleh di-lengah2-kan lagi, satu chara memusatkan semuausa:ha2 yang akan boleh memberi, di-antara lain, kemudahan2 yang sesuaidan chukup bagi melichinkan perja-lanan pemasaran hasil2 pertanian danbagi menjaminkan harga2 yang tetapatas hasil2 pertanian itu supaya petani2kita boleh mendapat harga yang ber-patutan atas hasil2 pengeluaran merekaitu. Masaalah ini, saya sukachita me-nyebutkan, ada-lah usaha2 yang akandi-mainkan oleh Llembaga PemasaranPertanian Persekutuan atau "FederalAgricurtural Marketing Authority" dansaya perchaya Ahli2 Yang Berhormatdalam Dewan ini dan, Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri Singapura sendiritentu sedan bahawa satu Rang Undang2mengenai pembentokan-nya akan di-bawa di-dalam sidang Dewan penggal

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ini dan saya berharap akan dapat sayamenerangkan lebeh panjang lagi di-dalam masaalah ini bila saya kemuka-kan Rang Undang2 itu sa-bagai bachaankali yang kedua-nya kelak.

Daripada keterangan2 dan juga ang-ka2 atau jumlah peruntokan yang sayyatelah terangkan di-dalam Majlis ini,nampak-lah bagaimana Yang Berhor-mat Enche' Lee Kuan Yew telah mem-ber keterangan2 dan penjelasan yangmengelirukan dan chuba menipura`ayat. Kalau-lah di-dalam masaalahyang; sa-bagini kechil berkenaan denganperbelanjaan. Kementerian Pertaniandan Sharikat Kerj asama yang manaboleh di-dapati, bukan sahaja daripadaAnggaran Perbelanjaan, tetapi juga kitatelah pun mengeluarkan risalah ber-kenaan dengan itu ini pun is hendakmengelirukan ra`ayat, hendak menipura`ayat, kemudian bagaimana-kah kitahendak memperchayai kapada pemim-pin yang demikian itu di-dalammasaalah2 lain yang besar.

Uchapan telah juga di-buat oleh sa-orang lagi Ahli Yang Berhormat dariSingapura is-itu Enche' Rahim binIshak, bahawa P.A.P. mempunyairanchangan2 kerja bagi meninggikankedudokan ekonomi peladang2. Sayaterpaksa mengatakan di-sini bahawasementara P.A.P. maseh di-dalamperengkat menyediakan ranchangan,Kerajaan Perikatan telah pun me-mungut hasil perladangan daripada be-berapa banyak ranchangan2 Kerajaanuntok faedah paladang2 dan nelayan2kita. Memadai-lah j ika kita berkata sa-chara ringkas, bahawa daripada sa-tahun ka-satahun kawasan penanamanpadi dua kali sa-tahun sa-makin ber-tambah luas dan kita telah mengedar-kan atau mengadakan dua j enis benehpadi yang boleh mengeluarkan hasilyang tinggi di-dalam masa yang seng-kat, is-itu Padi Malinja dan PadiMahsuri. Sa-lain daripada itu, Ahli2Yang Berhormat itu boleh jadi barang-kali telah mendengar berkenaandengan perojek empangan dan taliayeryang besar di-Kedah dan di-Perlis ber-nama Perojek Sungai Muda yang apa-bila siap kira2 dalam tahun 1968 / 1969akan mmengayerkan suku juta ekarsawah padi di-bawah RanchanganMenanam Padi dua kali sa-tahun.

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Kita juga telah mengeluarkan lagiRanchangan Bantuan Baja, Ran-changan Pemulehan Dusun Buah2an,Ranchangan Pemulehan Kelapa danRanchangan Menj enterai Pekebun2Kechil. Semua-nya ini akan di-lanjut-kan lagi dan di-perhebatkan lagi di-dalam Ranchangan Malaysia YangPertama kelak.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew (DatoKramat): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise in thisHouse first of all to support the senti-ments and the statement which theHonourable the Minister of Financemade this morning. We also, however,support the words of the amendment,that we must attempt to establishMalaysian unity. But 1 rise, MrSpeaker, Sir, to register our abstentionin this amendment.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we have decided toabstain, because we question themotives of this amendment. We cannotquarrel with the words, and that is thedanger of this amendment. We allknow that today our biggest enemy isthe division of our races. It is a time-honoured tactics of imperialism todivide and rule a country. Yet todayit is shocking to find people usingracialism in order to achieve supportand power for themselves. Mr Speaker,Sir, the people of our country want toknow how we can progress. We owethem that duty. The people in thiscountry are also afraid of racialism.By the people of this country, I donot mean the people of only one race,but other races as well what about theEurasians, the Indians and the otherminority races in the Bornean States?Surely we cannot only speak for theChinese and we cannot only speak ofthe Malays. But before I continue, Imust first deal with the statement bythe Honourable Member from Singa-pore that the Socialist Front is not aforce to be contended with.

In 1959, the Socialist Front had12.9% votes. In 1964 we had 16.1%votes, i.e., 330,898 people voted for us.At the same time, the P.P.P. had 3.4%votes, the U.D.P. had 4.3% votes andthe P.A.P. in Malaya had 2% votes.Now it might be argued that theP.A.P. had majority in Singapore.

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Well, Mr Speaker, Sir, let me straightenthe Honourable Prime Minister ofSingapore's memory on this. The Bari-san Sosialis had 33% of the votes inSingapore in spite of a nine-day trial,in spite of the fact that 130 of itsleaders were arrested a few monthsbefore the elections and of the fact thatall, who could have become candidatesfor the Barisan Sosialis, were taken intocustody like James Puthuchery whomwe all know in this House and outsidethis House is not a communist and hasnever been a communist.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : On a, point ofclarification, Mr Speaker, Sir. He isnow a persona grata to the Government.(Laughter).

Enche' Lim Kean Siew: The onlyreason why such people like him werearrested was not because the P.A.P.was not afraid of an open confronta-tion and "a conflict of minds" butbecause it was afraid of them. MrSpeaker, Sir, if the P.A.P. is not afraidof confrontation, if the P.A.P. claimsto represent a sizeable proportion ofthe people in Malaysia, I ask its leaderthis : let him move to have the BarisanSosialis members released from deten-tion, and we will fight him and we cansee who will become the next StateGovernment of Singapore. We all knowvery well how, as far as the P.A.P. isconcerned, the banning of newspapersis nothing new; the banning of tradeunions is nothing new. We all knowhow it supported the Security Councilin the detention of its erstwhile friends,and I say this : let the P.A.P., if itwishes to come into Malaysia torepresent the people, come at least withclean hands, and if its hands cannotbe cleaned, let them at least try towash their hands.

Mr Speaker, Sir, what does theamendment say? It says that "itregrets that the Address by HisMajesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agongdid not reassure the nation that Malay-sia will continue to progress in accordwith its democratic constitutiontowards a Malaysian Malaysia . . "In the first place, is the P.A.P. admit-ting that there is a democracy whichhas been in practice and that its only

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hope is that it should continue it. orthat it has not ever started on the pathtowards a Malaysian Malaysia? Thesecond point is this : what does theP.A.P. mean by a "Malaysian Malay-sia"? Can we, by dividing the people,create a Malaysian Malaysia?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is time for us toweigh our words carefully and not letour emotions run away with us, andlet us face the facts squarely. There isno doubt that this country, whatevermay be the professions of a great num-ber of our political leaders, is beingslowly split into two big factions :Malays and non-Malays. Whilst we allshould be proud of our heritage, whilstwe all should be proud of our traditions,is this split the solution for Malaysiacommunalism? Sir, the problems con-fronting Malaysia were, in fact, in thesituation itself and must have beenquite clear before Malaysia wasformed. For example, there was theinequality of economic development inthe States of Malaya as opposed toSingapore and in comparison to theBorneo States. There was a differenceeven in the cultural levels not onlybetween the people of the rural areasin Malaya and the people of the urbanareas but also as between Singaporeand Malaya and as between Malayaand the Borneo States. It was alsoobvious that as long as Malaysia wasformed in the way it was formed,Indonesia would become hostile. Know-ing this, the P.A.P. joined the Federa-tion of Malaysia; knowing this theP.A.P. signed the Malaysia Agreement;knowing this, the P.A.P. willingly andconsciously co-operated in the forma-tion of Malaysia, praising our PrimeMinister in the meantime; knowing thisand knowing our Constitution, theP.A.P. also agreed to come in thushelping to create a Malaysia that willprovoke Indonesia. When the MalaysiaAgreement was signed, it was clear thatSingapore citizenship would be notsynonymous with Malayan citizenship,although they both were Malaysiancitizenships. It was also clear that immi-gration would be under the control ofthe respective State Governments as faras the Borneo' States were concernedand, therefore, Singapore's problem of

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overgrowing unemployment could notbe solved by a mass emigration of theSingapore workers to the under-popu-lated Borneo States. It was also clear atthat time that if Singapore citizenswanted to apply for jobs in Malaya,they could be discriminated against.Mr Speaker, Sir, it was also clear that,as far as Singapore was concerned,there were four official languages andthere are still four official languagesand they did not ask to do awaywith other official languages in orderto use Malay. And, as far as the BorneoStates were concerned, English wouldbe the main language and would remainthe main language under the FederationAgreement and, therefore, Malay can-not be practised to that extent as it canbe practised in Malaya, so that thereis a more likelihood of Malaya usingMalay as the National Language thanthere is for the Borneo States using itas the National Language. It was alsoclear from the Honourable PrimeMinister's statement at the time thatSingapore would be the "New York"of the new Federation in other words,the economic and industrial wealthwould be poured into Singapore. Thiswould drain the rural areas of theireconomy; this would continually serveas a drain not only as regards moneybut also as regards population. Therewould be a drift from the rural areasinto the industrial areas to get jobs. So,if it is true that the rural areas aresuffering under Malaysia, who is toblame, who conspired with this? It isthe P.A.P. itself and the HonourableMover of the amendment. If we thinkthat Malaysia is being split and thereis inequality, who is to be blamed?Should not the Honourable Mover ofthe amendment accept part of the res-ponsibility? If there is discriminationin our service as regards Malays andnon-Malays to the proportion of fourMalays to one non-Malay, who is tobe blamed, except the P.A.P.?

Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, we havehowever the P.A.P., who supportedMalaysia, coming into this House andasking that we should now reconsiderour position, at the same time statingthat he would not secede from Malay-sia. Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may use a

colloquial language, this is all a lot oftripe; this is just a humbug.

Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may say so,the Honourable Mover of the amend-ment cannot have his cake and eat it.Surely under the present structure,under our present Constitution, thereis no doubt that the wealth of thiscountry is being slowly partitionedbetween the rural people and theindustrial people. The industrial peopleget most of the benefit of this divisionof wealth. The industrial people live intowns. The industrial people who livein the towns are mostly non-Malays,and therefore the economic wealthwould continue to be held by the non-Malays. Whilst it is true that in theGovernment service there is a 4-1 ratioin favour of the Malays, it cannot bedenied that as far as the private sectoris concerned, the percentage is at theleast 4-1 against the Malay population.We cannot, therefore, say at this stagethat the Malays must give up whateverpolitical rights they have. On the otherhand, Mr Speaker, Sir, they cannottell the non-Malays that they mustgive up their economic position, because,as much as it would be a disadvantageto the Malays to give up their politicalpower, it is just as equally impossibleto ask non-Malay to give up hiseconomic power with no safeguardsand no guarantees. Surely the line tobe drawn is somewhere in the middle.And the middle line would be foundonly in a time socialist economy andin Socialism not Malaysian Malaysia !

Mr Speaker, Sir, if the P.A.P. issincere, surely this is the line it shouldadopt. If the P.A.P. is honest, surelythis must be the policy that it mustfollow. The P.A.P. said that they weresocialists long ago and the reason whythey said that they were socialists wasbecause they believe that there mustbe parring away of inequity, so thatwe could get a more egalitariansociety, so that one group cannot havethe economic power and use thateconomic power to suppress anothergroup, as, similarly, we do not expectthe other group to use its politicalpower to suppress its opponents. Butthe P.A.P. does not really take thatline. The P.A.P. takes the line that

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unless more power is given to the non-Malays, they will secede. They knowvery well that this will only strengthenthe Opposition into racial group thusmaking us easy meat for the wolves ofWestern domination and be unable totackle the real problems of economicprogress.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I think it is mostcontemptible to say that everything hasalready been worked out and thatBritish troops would not interfere ifthere was civil strife in this country.I say it is despicable to say that,because it assumes two things : (1)There will be civil strife, in which casethere will be bloodshed. (2) That ithas been calculated, very carefully, thatduring a civil strife there will be nointerference by foreign troops, andtherefore there will be more bloodshed.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we must regret thatthe situation in Malaysia has come tothis position. We must regret that thesituation in Malaysia has come to thepoint where we begin to look at oneanother not as persons any more but asracial beings. We begin to look at eachother by the colour of one's face. And,Mr Speaker, Sir, if it is a question ofinterference by foreign troops, let meput the P.A.P. right. If there is a clashbetween the Chinese and the Malays, Idoubt if the British troops will supportthe Chinese people.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I said that when theP.A.P. came to Malaya, it should atleast come with clean hands. Now, Ithink, these are few questions whichthe P.A.P. must straighten :

1. Does the Honourable Mover of theamendment fully support the InternalSecurity Act and its present application?

2. What has he got to say about the 130-odd ex-colleagues who were with himand who are now in goal? They are, Ithink, mostly non-Malays.

3. Had the Honourable Mover of theamendment anything to do with thebanning of the publications in Singa-pore? Does he say that that is demo-cratic? If he does not say that that isdemocratic, then, surely, his amendmentis hypocritical.

4. Will the Honourable Mover of theamendment give an assurance in thisHouse that the licence of Fajar, whichis an organ of the University of Singa-pore Socialist Club, be renewed if theyapply for it again?

5. What about the renewal of the licencesof the printing presses that were bannedjust before the elections of Singapore,so that the P.A.P. could win theelections?

6. What of the cancellation of the registra-tion of the five largest trade unions inSingapore because their members didnot toe the P.A.P. line?

7. How many times has the SingaporeState Legislative Assembly met sinceMerdeka Day, 16th September, 1963,and how many times will it hold itsmeetings in the next coming year?

8. What has the Honourable Mover of theamendment got to say about the banningof the S.U.P.P. Branch at the 24th mile,Simanggang Road?

Mr Speaker , Sir, the Prime Minister ofSingapore will have to answer thesequestions to the satisfaction of thewhole country , if he wishes even toexploit the most dangerous thing of all,the racialism of this country.

Mr Speaker , Sir, I rise also to put iton record that we share the views ofthe Honourable Minister of Financethat on the question of national unityand on the question of building onenation , we do not stand as a politicalparty, but that we stand as a nationalof our country . (Applause).

Mr Speaker, Sir, today the Honour-able Mover of the amendment said thatan alternative could be the splitting upof Malaysia into a formation of twoFederations , one consisting of Penang,Malacca, Singapore and the BorneoStates and the other consisting of theFederation of Malaya , without Penangand Malacca . Surely that is completelyand entirely contradictory to thereasons he had given for the formationof Malyasia , because, if I remembercorrectly, at that time he said , "Let usbe 10 million strong; let us all beunited, because if we are in pieces, wewill not be able to withstand theonslaught of modern times ; and theonly way for us to succeed is that weshould all come together as one". MrSpeaker, Sir, in making that statementhe has now declared himself quiteclearly to be an anti -Malaysianelement. ... .

Mr Speaker: The time is up. Youmay continue when the House resumes.

Enche' Lim Kean Siew : Yes, Sir.

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Mr Speaker : The sitting is suspendeduntil 4 o'clock today.

Sitting suspended at 1 p.m.

Sitting r?sumed at 4 p.m.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair).

EXEMPTED BUSINESSMOTION

Tun Haji Abdul Razak : Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, saya menchadangkan supayaperbahathan Dewan ini bagi mem-binchangkan Uchapan di-Raja di-kechualikan daripada Fasal 2 (1) dalamAtoran Peratoran2 Meshuarat sa-hinggapukul 9 malam mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebab kitatelah berbahath sudah lebeh tiga harilama-nya, dan banyak urusan2 Kera-jaan yang hendak di-jalankan di-dalampersidangan ini, mustahak-fah per-bahathan ini di-tamatkan juga padahari ini. Chadangan Kerajaan dahulu,is-lah hendak memberi peluang satuhari kapada Ahli2 pehak Pembangkangsupaya usul2 atau motion2 mereka itudapat di-binchangkan. Akan tetapisekarang ini nampak-nya masa telahsuntok dan sebab itu-lah mustahak di-tamatkan perbahathan ini supaya dapaturusan2 yang lain itu termasok jugausul2 daripada pehak Pembangkangitu di-bahathkan di-dalam persidanganini. Saya menchadangkan.

Dato ' V. T. Sambanthan: Sayamenyokong.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That notwithstanding the provisions of

Standing Order 12 (1) this House shall notadjourn today until 9 p.m.

MOTION

THE YANG DI-PERTUANAGONG'S SPEECH

Address of Thanks

Question that an humble address bepresented to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong as follows :

"Your Majesty,We, the Speaker and Members of

the Dewan Ra`ayat of Malaysia in

Parliament assembled, beg leave tooffer Your Majesty our humble thanksfor the Gracious Speech with which theSecond Session of the Second Parlia-ment has been opened."

Which amendment was to add, at theend thereof, the words, "but regretsthat the Address by His Majesty theYang di-Pertuan Agong did notreassure the nation that Malaysia willcontinue to progress in accord with itsdemocratic constitution towards aMalaysian Malaysia, but on the contrarythe Address has added to the doubtsover the intentions of the presentAlliance Government and over themeasures it will adopt when faced withthe loss of majority popular support."

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: Ahli2 YangBerhormat, oleh kerana ini is-lah hariyang keempat perbahathan Uchapandi-Raja di-jalankan dan banyak lagiurusan2 Kerajaan yang lain, terpaksa-lah saya menghadkan perbahathanhingga pukul 9 malam mi. Uchapangulongan yang penghabisan, pehakKerajaan akan berbuat pada pukul.10 pagi 3 haribulan Jun. Sa-hinggapukul 9 malam ini, saya akan mem-ber peluang kapada Menteri2 KerajaanPusat membuat uchapan mereka.Dalam pada itu jika ada masa, sayaakan memberi juga peluang kapadaAhli2 Berhormat lain mengambil baha-gian. Oleh kerana itu, saya merayukapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat yangdapat peluang berbahath pada malamir^i supaya merengkaskan uchapan2mereka itu dan menjauhkan daripadaberulang2. Ahli2, lain daripada Men-teri2, di-minta-lah berchakap tidaklebeh daripada 15 minit pada sa-orang.

Enche' Lim Kean Slew: Mr Speaker,Sir, as I said this morning, the state-ment of the Honourable Mover of thisamendment motion, that we could havean alternative arrangement by theformation of a new federation bysplitting the present federation into twoparts, is a curious admission in twoways. Firstly, it is an admission thathis flirtation with the UMNO is at anend and that he has a last decidedthat he should no longer make eyes'at the Alliance. It is an admission thathe has been rejected by the Govern-ment and, therefore, cannot take part

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in the Government of Malaysia and,therefore , to him , Malaysia is bad,because of this . The second point isalso curious : By his statement he hasnow become an anti-Malaysia elementand, therefore , agrees today with thevery people in whose arrest he tookpart and put into detention camp in1963 . By and large they should eitherbe released or he should rightly belongwith them and yet, curiously enough,he has now put himself up to be themost loyal of us all. Mr Speaker, Sir,his statement today and his amend-ment , I say, is an admission thatMalaysia is not going to be a bed ofroses after all and that in fact perhapsour Government was stampeded into theformation of this Federation. It is badon two grounds . Interna ly, it is badbecause of its competing a id conflictingState, economic , cultural , language andracial interests , which are manifestingthemselves in the greater demands fromthe Bornean States and in the racialdemands within the various States ofMalaysia . Externally, it is bad becauseof Indonesian antagonism . The Indone-sian antagonism has also isolated usfrom the Afro-Asian bloc. Mr Speaker,Sir, curiously enough, the HonourableMember from Bungsar has stated thatthe rebuff of the Malaysian delegationin Winneba was due to the support ofthe American bombing of North Viet-nam. Whilst I do not wish to contradicthim, I think he is confusing betweenthe root causes and the results of ourMalaysian policy. The present Malay-sian policy would inevitably lead ustowards support for America and there-fore isolate us even furher from theAfro-Asian bloc. In other wordsMalaysia is the cause of Indonesianantagonism , not its result . It has playedus into British and Western hands. MrSpeaker, Sir, alternatively it might bequestioned that if it is not that theability of the amendment to solve theproblem , what then should it be? MrSpeaker , Sir, I do not think thatracialism ever solved anything. Onebowl of rice taken from A and givento B will satisfy B, but will make Adissatisfied . One bowl of rice takenfrom the Malay and given to theChinese will make the Malay dissatis-fied. The same bowl of rice taken from

the Chinese and given to the Malaywill make the Chinese dissatisfied. Theanswer is in the greater production ofrice ; the answer is in the greater andmore equal distribution of wealth. Theanswer, of course , is in the overhaul ofour social and economic structure tobring in socialism.

Mr Speaker , Sir, we have always saidMalaysia was bad, but as long asMalaysia exists we must try our bestnot to emphasise its differences but toemphasise its points of unity . Racialequality must be our first aim. Withoutracial equality , there can never be aneradication of race differences. TheConstitution has loaded the rural peoplewith greater political powers, but thatpolitical power must be used rationallyand not abused, nor provoked like ithas been provoked by the HonourableMember from Kota Star Selatan whohad the audacity to state in this House,thus displaying his complete ignorance,that the Socialist Front has never stoodfor nationalisation and has not stoodfor social benefits. I have in my posses-sion a free copy of the Socialist Frontpolicy statement called "Towards aNew Malyysia" which I will give tohim if he wants to read it that is, ifhe is capable of doing so (Laughter).

The second principle upon whichMalaysia should be developed is thatit should be based upon a reorientationof minds. It is true that we all havedifferent origins. I can't say I am aMalay; I cannot deny I am a Chinese.That is my racial origin as much asevery one of us have racial origins, andthese racial origins have cultural charac-teristics and we are quite rightly proudof our cultural heritage as well. Butwe cannot keep on repeating that weare Malays or Chinese . We are Malay-sians-that is fundamental not thatyou want to create a Malaysian Malay-sia at all. But we are Malaysianspure and simple and we hope thatracialism will die not only in Malaysiabut elsewhere in the world . Even theterm "Chinese" is not a racial term.It is a political / cultural term thereare Chinese of many races . The term"American" or "British" or "Russian"is also not a racial term and we cannotturn these terms into racial terms.

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Neither should we look upon theMalaysian society from its purely racialangle. But, Mr Speaker, Sir, unfor-tunately Malaya has its people dividedinto the rural and urban areas. Urbanareas are mostly Chinese, people ofChinese origin. People in the rural areasare mostly Malays. As long as thereis this inequality of social structure, aslong as there is inequality in the econo-mic structure and as long as the townsare being developed,, the Malay eco-nomy will be drained, but as long asthe industrial population is increasingthe Chinese industrial worker wantland to go into' the rural areas. Howare you going to solve this problem?That is the point. But not by meansof racialism. Differences exist, butshould they be exploited and inflamed?

Mr Speaker, Sir, I have said thatexternally Malaysia is also bad. Whyis it bad? Because we are anti-Indo-nesia. Even if the government is anti-Indonesia and anti-Communist, it doesnot necessarily follow that we must bepro-West, pro-imperialists and pro-America, but so often we fall into thatkind of error i.e., I am anti-Commu-nist and therefore I must be pro-Capitalist, or he is anti-Capitalist,therefore he must be pro-Communist.This is the sort of psychology thatmade us fail in Winneba. There-fore, as far as we are concerned, irrele-vant of the confrontation of Indonesia,we must not extend the area of conflict,we must still fight for neutrality andfor peace and we cannot be imperialistsand we support the principles ofPancha Sila although it may havebeen inspired by Indonesia. Malaysiais in fact designed as part of a pro-Western bloc.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I say this : as longas Malaysia lasts its ills will continueuntil its economic and social structureis changed, and unless we have a com-pletely different orientation to ourproblems and as long as Malaysia lasts,it will become sicker and sicker.Nothing is going to' solve this problemand as it gets sicker and sicker anddanger threatens, as His Majesty putit, from outside and from inside,there would be more and more excusefor dictatorship, more and more excuse

for the use of the bayonets until finallywe must succumb to' a dictatorship.But, as I have said, the words them-selves are attractive in this amendment,and so also are the words of everybodyin this House who stands for non-racialism.

The question is what is the motivebehind the words, and the sincerity ofit. And can it solve the real problem?We do not think so'. Therefore, myparty cannot accept the sweet words ofthis amendment at its face value. TheHonourable mover of the motionwants to live in a glass house andthrow stones, but this amendmentfocuses on communal antagonism whichunfortunately the foolish speech fromthe Honourable Member from KotaStar Selatan has not helped. My Partyhas steadfastly refused to be involvedin communal tactics and only a com-munal bigot will not realise the dangersof such a policy. Because of this, MrSpeaker, Sir, we have to abstain fromthis amendment.

Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad (KotaStar Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,saya ingin membuat penjelasan sadikitberkenaan dengan uchapan saya waktumembawa usul menguchap terimakaseh kapada Duli Yang Maha MuliaSeri Paduka Baginda. Saya telah sebutdi-dalam uchapan saya, "They (theP.A.P.) have never known Malay ruleand couldn't bear the idea that thepeople they have so long kept undertheir heels should now be in a position.to rule them." Saya maksudkan di-siniis-lah oleh kerana pada masa sekarangParty Perikatan, party yang di-sukairamai, di-ketuai oleh sa-orang, orangMelayu, dan Party Perikatan menj adiKerajaan Pusat, maka sa-orang orangMelayu telah jumpa diri-nya i.e.,"found himself in a position to rule."

Ini-lah "Malay rule" yang sayamaksudkan dan bukan saya maksud-kan is-itu Kerajaan Malaysia ini is-lahKerajaan Melayu. Terima kaseh.

The Minister of Works, Posts andTelecommunications (Dato' V. T.Sambanthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, thismorning when I scanned the paper,I asked myself this question : whatsort of a man is this; what sort of a

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man is this that can calmly and quietlypropose the cutting up of our country;what megalomania is it that is drivinghim forth; and what is his fevered minddriving at? And, as I looked further,I found that he has one reason forsuggesting that this country should becut up, and that is that he is againstMalay rule here Malay rule in Malay-sia. Before accepting his definition, letus for a moment go back into the past.

I could do no worse than drawMembers in this House to think of theyear 1955 when we had our first elec-tions. Before that, this country of ourswas very much like a political back-water; we had not had much of elec-tions and in 1955 we were going tohave nation-wide elections. At thattime, the Alliance, forming UMNO,M.C.A. and M.I.C., decided to contestthe elections on the basis of freedom infour years. When one looked at theelectorate at that time, one observedthat 4% of the electorate was Indian,8% was Chinese and 88% was Malay.Now, there were 52 seats to becontested at that time. Yet, how werethe seats allocated? Roughly 40% ofthe seats were allocated to the non-Malays and, mark you, at thatoccasion, because of the large majorityof Malay voters barring one consti-tuency, I think, all the others hadMalay majority. And so, if anybodywanted to stand up for the elections atthat time and win, he had to have theMalay electorate with him. 88% of theMalay electorate what does it mean?It means that politically the Malayswere really powerful. It also meansthat even though they were so power-ful, the leadership of the UMNO com-prising mainly of the Tunku, TunRazak, Dr Ismail and others felt thatthey had to be large hearted enough toconcede to fellow races, brother racesin this country, a larger measure ofseats than their numbers warranted,and so we had it. In 1955, as I said,the people had not yet been into elec-tions. Before that, the backwash ofBritish rule here had left within thecountry various communities, eachsettled within itself, fairly cordial nodoubt, but still without much opportu-nity for intermingling, apart from in

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the social sphere. And so, we had theMalay electorate having to vote for non-Malays.

I was one of those in 1955 who hadthe good fortune of having been chosento stand for elections. At that time, inmy own constituency, the majority ofthe voters were Malays. Two of myopponents were Malays, locally based,men of good reputation. One of them,strangely enough, was the presentSpeaker of the House. However, theMalay people in the kampongs weretold of the objectives that we had, ofthe necessity for us to be non-racial inour outlook, of the need for them tovote for the policy, the policy of free-dom and all the consequential improve-ments that the country would havebecause of freedom; and so it was inmany of the other constituencies. TheMalay kampong folk came out inthousands, and they voted us in.

Around that time, one of the menwho' had to go from village to village,kampong to kampong, wading in water,going by boat, living in the jungle,sometimes at the threat of being shotby Malay extremists, is one who istoday being branded by the P.A.P.character assassinators, as ultra racialist.I refer to no less a man than TuanSyed Ja`afar Albar. (Applause ^ TuanSyed Ja`af ar Albar at that time had avery important task of going fromvillage to village to tell the Malays,"This is not the right thing, we havegot to think of Malaya, we have got tothink of the people as one, we cannotsay that Malays should vote forMalays, we should vote for anybody,whomever the party puts in and weshould vote on non-racial lines. That,Mr Speaker, Sir, is Tuan Syed Ja`afarAlbar. (Applause) If record of a mancan speak for himself, that record, Ithink, is vivid enough to' cast aside allthese aspersions that have been thrownat the door of Tuan Syed Ja`afar Albar.I have myself deep respect for him.However, that is the past.

Now, in 1955, we won the electionswith a great majority. Then we obtainedfreedom in two years time. During thisperiod, we had to discuss citizenshipand various other things. Now, what

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did the Malays do since we arespeaking on racial lines what did theMalay leadership do? They had 88%of the electorate still with them. Whatdid they do with citizenship? If welook around in Asia and in East Asia,particularly, you will find that my race,the Indian race, is not welcomed inCeylon, is not welcomed in Burma.Look at my brother Chinese race, it isnot welcomed in Thailand, in Vietnam,in Cambodia, in all the other areas.What help do they get for citizenshipin all these territories? In Burma, aswe know, Indians have been sent pack-ing, in Ceylon they refused themcitizenship and in Burma it is likewise.I know it, you know it. And yet inMalaya what happened? Here, wefound that the Malay leadership said,"We shall take them unto ourselves asbrothers, we shall give; them full oppor-tunity to live in this country, we shallgive them every opportunity to' becomecitizens." And so, in 1957, for the wholeyear, we waived language qualifications,and tens of thousands of Indians,Chinese, Ceylonese and others becamecitizens. Why did the Malays do' this?Is it to propitiate Malay rule in thiscountry? Is it to keep themselves allthe time in power that they watereddown their own authority? It would bestupid, utterly stupid, for them to' do.that, if they wanted to' control thiscountry for all time. They could havedone it by the simple expedient thatone observed in Ceylon, Burma andother countries deny the opportunityof citizenship to' these people. They cannever take this country from you. Thenwhy did they do it and are these thepeople today who' are trying to foistMalay rule?

In all my life I haven't seen suchmendacity as that put in by Mr LeeKuan Yew of the P.A.P. (Applause).Such vicious, utterly vicious mendacityagainst a race with whom it is our greatfortune to live. A race who havethroughout their time have beenhospitable, been polite, been respect-able and yet this race, believe me, isthe poorest in this country. The otherraces have come here, they are by farricher. Even my own race, mostly madeup of labourers today have a monthly

earning much better than the ordinarykampong dweller; I know it. Thetowns who owns the towns in ourcountry? Who owns the cities? Whoowns the estates? Do the Malays ownthese? Then what is it that we aretrying to shout at them for? This infact, Mr Speaker, is the essence of thewhole question. We have got to recog-nise this fundamental fact.

In 1957, I said, in the whole year,hundreds of thousands of non-Malaysbecame citizens, by a voluntary act. Bya voluntary act the Malay leadershipitself watered down their own politicalpower. Can you see it anywhere else?Even the huge nations of the Westthe United States. Can 100,000 Malay-sians go to the United States tomorrowand become citizens there? Could youdo it in Germany, in Turkey, in Albania,in Russia, or in any part of the world,I ask. The answer is "No". In theUnited States they have got a quota, inAustralia you cannot put your footdown and step into it, and yet here, wefind the course of history changed. Adifferent pattern -a different pattern ofbrotherhood, of understanding, ofgoodwill-a different pattern basedupon morals, ethics; -a good decent,humanistic pattern. And so in 1957, wehad freedom. We had more and morebecome citizens. In 1959 we hadanother election. We won this electionagain. Despite the fact that in theintervening period, some parties cameout, openly chauvinistic because insome towns they found that there wereChinese citizens and they thought theycould play them up for their own ends;chief amongst them, of course, was theP.P.P. But then, in 1964 they werebeaten roundly and soundly, simplybecause the people came to know oftheir wiles. They were trying to playupon race.

The imperialist game, once theimperialists left, was taken up by thelocal politician, simply because hethinks that in a country where thereare many races, people of manyreligions, speaking many languages, itwould be easy to divide them. Thatthey have failed. Between 1955 and1963 we found the Federation of

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Malaya a very stable, a very democraticand very well run country in this region.

We found that in the United Nations,that we had a fairly good reputation;our stand against apartheid was quitesound and applauded everywhere exceptof course by the South African fascists.

But apart from that, we had our ownplans for the development of thecountry. We had the Second Five-YearPlan, which was going ahead. We hadlarge land schemes which gave not onlyto the Malays but to all the races tensof thousands of acres of land. We hadroads, water supply schemes, all thesegoing ahead in an Asia of trouble andturmoil.

This one country was an oasis ofhappiness, of a happy people livingtogether, not asking themselves, "Am Ia Malayan Malayan?" They were allMalayans. There was no question oftheir being anybody else. They were alltogether as one. Nobody came aroundwith any cliches those days. We all feltwe were Malayans; we lived asMalayans. Our land schemes were forthe Malayans and we had them inplentiful supply. And even at that timethe Deputy Prime Minister, who was incharge of the schemes even then, hewas thinking of a huge land scheme of200,000 acres. And was it only for theMalays? No. It was for many racesfor all the races, for the underprivileged,for those without land, without work.

We do not think that we want toimpoverish the Chinese and enrich theMalays; we want everybody to be welloff in this country. That is what theFather of the nation wants.

Then, around 1960, things changed.We had, as I said, in the Federation ofMalaya, a tranquil, happy, peacefulcountry with the people quite happy.They had something to look forwardto, an era' of peace and happiness. TheCommunist menace had been broken.We were happy.

In Singapore, on the other hand, therehad been trouble. Different Govern-ments, different set-ups. Then we heardof one Mr Ong Eng Guan and how hewas doing certain things and howlatterly the P.A.P. came into power in

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Singapore. Then there came about aP.A.P. strutting about; speaking muchabout itself. But, no sooner had theycome into office then the party broke intotwo. This was around 1961. Before that,it would interest Honourable Membersto know that this same P.A.P., whicha year later was go go round day afterday and stand at the door-steps of thePrime Minister of Malaysia, of Malayathen, to ask him to agree to take inSingapore, of their own volition, wroteto me a letter as Minister of Telecom-munications to tell me that they wantto break up the Pan-Malayn set up ofthe Telecommunications Department.

That was their thinking in 1960. Butwhen the Barisan party came up andthe P.A.P. broke up, mark you, notbecause all of them were Communistsand that is what Mr Lee Kuan Yewwants us to believe, but I don't believeit. It was a clash of personalities. Theyjust could not stand up to this man'sarrogance. It was just that, and so theparty had to break up. Then whathappened? A Lim Yew Hock had tocome in to keep that party in power,or it would have been thrown out. Thatwas the situation. A Lim Yew Hock, alone man had to throw his vote to keepthat party going. Then they thought ofsomething. "Ah, there is Kuala Lumpur,a monolithic, powerful, strong Govern-ment there and a mild, kind heartedman who is the Prime Minister there;may be, he will agree; may be, I canrun to him for succour." Which, in fact,was what he did.

Mr Lee Kuan Yew a couple of daysago said that he calculated yes hecalculated very much or schemed overand over again. A word he did not usewas that he normally calculated on thebasis of what they call "dialecticalmaterialism." But whatever his dialecti-cal materialism means, he found thedialectic of incense burning couldcome in useful you can puji somebodynow and then and so incense burningwent feverishly at a hot pace at the feetof the Prime Miinster of Malaya. Dayafter day, week after week, month aftermonth, his wooing to get Singapore in.To get the Prime Minister to say, "Yes,we will accept Singapore." Otherwisethe whole edifice was going to crumble

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round the P.A.P. That is history andI don't think anybody can question it.

After that, the Prime Minister said,"Yes, we shall have Malaysia." Thesewere quiet spoken words. But what areaction they had ! Immediately afterthat, somebody had to make somecapital out of it. "Why should I notdo it," said Mr Lee Kuan Yew. So hehad a referendum armed with thestrength that the Tunku's name shouldcarry him through the referendum,which he did. But no sooner had thereferendum been through and Tunkuhad committed ourselves into Malaysia,then Mr Lee Kuan Yew felt he couldstart bargaining. If you went throughhis speeches you would find a subtlechange in tone. The old tone of abjectplea was no more present; we now findit replaced by an arrogance towardsKuala Lumpur.

Then we had the Malaysia Agree-ment signed in London. No sooner wasthis Agreement signed and the ink washardly dry, a meeting of students byMr Lee was held in England. At thismeeting Mr Lee, who likes to say thathe wants to analyse in public, went tothe students and said, "You know, Icannot become the Prime Ministersimply because there is an army andyou know who is the chief of it?" Theinsinuation being that Tunku's nephewwas the chief of the army and, there-fore, he would prevent anybody elsefrom becoming the Prime Minister. MrLee spoke about this hardly before theink had dried on the Malaysia Agree-ment. This, Mr Speaker, Sir, is one ofthe examples of signs for the future.We could hardly believe when we weretold of such things. We thought, "Surelythis man talks so nicely and is ever soopen in what he says". We did not thinkthat his words were glib words thatwere uttered only by one who calculatedwith an abacus mind, moment aftermoment, using various types of dialecticsfor various purposes. Thereafter, MrSpeaker, Sir, what happened is knownto all of us. However, stage by stage,we found conditions changing.

Around the time of referendum, theSingapore Ministers would go roundand say, "We are all Malaysians". Butafter the referendum and the second

elections, they said, "Oh, we areSingaporeans. Singapore shall showMalaysia." So you can see howMalaysian Malaysians become Singa-pore Malaysians sometimes. So, thisding-dong has been going on.

Just recently in the last elections of1964 this gentleman, Mr Lee KuanYew, spoke of Malay leadership. Yousee, Mr Lee Kuan Yew is one of thosewho thinks that he walks against thebackdrop of history, that he strides withhistory, that history must follow himand so all he writes must be put intobooks, all his speeches must come intoa book form, that his words mustalways exist, for he is part of history.However, let me read. This is what hesays around the time of the last elec-tions, at Seremban where he had goneto play up Chinese chauvinism :

"The implication is, first, that we aredeceitful people who say one thing in Chineseand a different thing in English and Malay;and, second , that I have often said in publicthat the Malay leadership of UMNO isirreplaceable. Off the record, in Chinese, Ihave contradicted this by saying that thisleadership is not of the right calibre."

If you compare this to what he saystoday, you will realise that what he saidin Chinese that day was quite correct.He was being deceitful.

"In the last three weeks, two weeks beforenomination day and one week after it, I havebeen explaining why the UMNO leadershipis irreplaceable in order to safeguard theintegrity of Malaysia as a separate anddistinct unit from Indonesia."

All this happened barely a year agoall these things about the UMNOleadership. "The UMNO leadership isan important leadership, it is a neces-sary leadership, and nobody should beable to overthrow this leadership". Hereagain you have it:

"For Malaysia to succeed we must helpthe Tunku's leadership to succeed."

What has happened between then andnow that there should be a completechange of attitude? What have wedone, what has this country done, whathas the Cabinet done? Has the Ministerof Home affairs been arresting Chineseand letting off the Malays, or has hebeen arresting Indians and letting offthe Malays? No. Where is the line thatthis Government has taken which

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shows that it is Malay and not Malay-sian? Where have we said anythinglike that? Nowhere as far as I can see.Our policy has been distinctly Malay-sian. Our attitude to problems has beendistinctly Malaysian.

So, Mr Speaker, Sir, these are someof the things which I should mentionhere, simply because we have to placeon record that we in this country areat a peculiar juncture. We are faced,after Malaysia, with a danger ofIndonesian confrontation. One wouldhave thought that all sensible, intelli-gent, patriotic citizens of this countrywould rally round and keep a singlehouse and not divide that house. Weshould have thought that at this momentour main task is unity and not division.We should have thought that disunitywould be the last thing for us to speakof. But yet why should a man ofintelligence as Mr Lee Kuan Yew doall these things? This is the question Iask, because it is a vital question. Ifeel that he does these things because,among other things, he is a very dis-appointed man. If earlier on he hadpraised the UMNO leadership, ifearlier on he had said he trusted theUMNO leadership, it was perhapsbecause it was caused by a certainamount of ardour, ardour at the anti-cipated love of living together. But,unfortunately, the passionate embracenever came forth and like a rejectedsuitor he must hit back bit back anddestroy if he can, this young nation ofours. That is what it amounts to.

Let us look more closely at what hesaid. Some days ago, this same gentle-man said that Singapore is necessary tosafeguard the minorities here. Theminorities here have been able to behappy without Mr Lee Kuan Yew tolook after them. (HONOURABLE MEM-BERS : Hear ! Hear!) When we weremade citizens, it was not Mr Lee KuanYew who made us citizens; it wasTunku and his brother comrades whomade the country as it is today. It wasthe brotherhood that we had amongstourselves, that complete brotherhoodwe had, that complete goodwill we hadamongst ourselves, which made itpossible for everyone here to becomecitizens. Where are the distinctions?

Then we had this "wonderful ! "concept of a United Front, expounded incliche form of "Malaysian Malaysia".What was more surprising and morelaughable is that we had the Memberfor Ipoh, utterly, completely, contemp-tibly, a racial chauvinist, getting up andsaying, "Oh, we will join the UnitedFront if it is not communal." I wouldask him to tell it to the marines thatis, without insulting the marines. TheP.P.P. is openly chauvinistic. The P.A.P.is chauvinistic but in a more subtleform. That is the only difference. Ifthe P.A.P. is not chauvinistic, whyshould it try to play up communalfeelings? Who was it who startedanalysing publicly about the Malaybase in politics? It was not we. Wehave been getting together; we havebeen living together, living together fora long time. The Malays have been fora very long time. I do not question thatthey have not been living long here.But why should this great gentlemancome in and say, "Oh, the Malays hereare as much immigrant as anybodyelse"? Surely that, excuse me MrSpeaker, Sir, is beyond the realm ofstupidity, because that is precisely whatit is. No leader of any reputationwould try to rouse communal feelings,and this is precisely what he is tryingto do.

So, Mr Speaker, I fear that we arepassing through an extremely dangerousphase in the life of our country.Externally, we have Indonesia; inter-nally, we have Lee Kuan Yew and hisbrand of politics (Applause). In hismegalomania he tells us to break upthis country into Malacca, Penang,Singapore and other places. Can welive like that? What madness is this;what utter, absolute and completemadness is this? Surely we in thiscountry will never permit such madnessto rule this country. That is what wehave to face. The situation is serious,extremely serious, I tell you. Have wenot got the example of Pakistan andIndia before us? Don't we know themillions that were killed there theordinary people? Of course, peoplelike him would be in hiding. Theywould not get involved. It is the women,the children, the girls they are the

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people who will suffer. But thank God,we do not equate Chinese sentimentswith Mr Lee Kuan Yew. He is trying toequate and say that he is Chinesesentiments, which he is not. TheChinese race is a great and noble race.It will never give way to such nonsense;neither will the Malay race. As I said,it has been my great good fortune tohave been born in this country. Whereelse can you find a more charitable, amore polite, a more decent race thanthe Malay race? Where else can youget such politically decent treatmentfor any immigrant race? Where else inthe history of the world? -I ask you.These are the facts.

A famous political philospher oncesaid : "When you want to adjudgewhat a man says, ask this question,`What are your principles? What areyour practices? What is your record?' ".The record of the Federation ofMalaya and the Alliance has been arecord of peace; a record of brother-hood, a record of unity and amitywithin this nation. We will not permitanything to mar this unity and thisamity.

Simply because a party has got as itsprimary membership Chinese, Malaysand Indians, it does not mean that it isnon-communal, when every word theymouth is communal. Every time theMember for Ipoh opens his mouth, itis communal. Everybody knows that. Iknow in my own constituency his partytried to do a fantastic trick. They wentto the Malays and said, "You knowthe Chinese are squeezing the blood outof you"; and they went to the Chineseand said, "You know, the Malays aretaking all the land away from you"the same party, the same constituency,different villages. That is a non-communal party according to theP.A.P. and the people of their thinking.But we in the Alliance, what do wesay at every platform? We arebrothers, we should live together, wewant to make this country a happycountry, we want to build this countryup, we want land schemes and otherschemes for the well-being of ourpeople. History, Sir, shall record whatwe have done. It shall record that wehave been highly ethical in our motives,

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highly ethical in our attitude, andhighly humanistic in all that we havedone. That same history shall recordthat a man with some megalomaniatried to break up this country in allhis megalomania. He even propoundsthe theory of hostage-he says, and Iquote, "we in Singapore must be thereto safeguard the minorities of Malaya."Who are you to safeguard us? I ama 10 per cent minority race here, butI am happy here. I do not wantanybody to safeguard me. This is mycountry. Surely the estate labourer, thenew village dweller, he does not needLee Kuan Yew to come and look afterhim (HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Hear,hear!). He has been there all along.

In 1948 when the Emergency started,when villages were being burnt by thearmy in their attempt to supplementthe Briggs Scheme and some of themwere asked to pack and get out, some-times rather rudely, who stood bythem? Was it the P.A.P.? It was noteven born then. It was Tan Cheng Lockand the M.C.A. (Applause). Thesepeople stood by them during thoseturbulent times. They stood by them ata time when no question could beasked. The Chinese were on questionthen. The whole Chinese communitywas at the court-house, the wholeChinese community was questionable.Their loyalty way questionable. Butwho stood by them? It was the M.C.A.in those days. They have a record ofsuffering, they have a record of servicefor the people. These are things thatwe cannot deny, and has the M.C.A.gone round and said "We areChinese, you are Malays, let us fight"?We have never said any such things.At every platform we say, "We willunite, we will safeguard this country,we will defend this country." And so,by God, we shall, Mr Speaker(Applause).

Enche' Abdul Ghani bin Ishak(Malacca Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengambil peluang sama2menguchapkan tahniah kapada Titahdi-Raja yang sama2 kita bahathkansekarang. Dalam hal masaalah apayang telah di-titahkan oleh Seri PadukaBaginda dapat-lah kita kaji daripadaperbahathan2 yang sedang berjalan

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mi. Tidak ada tempat atau kurangtempat yang hendak di -jadikan per-bahathan terutama sa-kali bagi pehak2pembangkang . Oleh sebab itu-lahdalam perbahathan kita hari ini, yangsampai hari ini , banyak soal2 kepartian,soal2 yang bersangkut -paut denganparti2 politik sahaj a timbul dan hariini harus -lah kita bersama2 barangkalimenerima kaseh kerana apa yangtimbul pada masa perbahathan initidak lain dan tidak bukan is-lahmembukakan tembelang atau punbahawa yang tidak benar itu akhir2-nya dapat juga di -lihat, dapat di-ketahui oleh ra`ayat seluroh-nya.

Mithalan-nya di-dalam perbahathanyang kita dengar , wakil daripadaSingapura Yang Berhormat Enche' LeeKuan Yew sendiri , selalu mengulang2entah beberapa kali di-dalam Dewanini mengatakan yang ta`at setia-nyatidak-lah boleh di-persoalkan, tang-gong-jawab-nya terhadap Malaysia initidak dapat di-soal orang lain. Tetapiapa yang ada dan apa yang di-perjuangkan , apa yang kita ikuti, dari-pada perbuatan2 atau tindak-tandokyang di-lakukan oleh Perdana MenteriSingapura , Enche' Lee Kuan Yew itu,ada-lah sangat berlainan daripada apayang di-katakan-nya kapada kita. Inibenar-lah sa-bagaimana yang telah di-katakan atau pun bagi pehak kamiPerikatan mengatakan sa-lama inibahawa P.A.P. sa -buah parti yangtidak dapat betul meletakkan kedudo-kan yang sa -benar dalam masa kitamemperjuangkan atau menghentamkominis, dia mengatakan dia non-communist.

Kemudian , dalam masa kita menyo-kong, barangkali tindakan atau puntindakan negara bebas VietnamSelatan , dia Pula mengatakan kita initerikat dengan Barat. Wal-hasil apayang di-katakan oleh pehak2 pem-bangkang terhadap P.A.P. sendiri,umpama Singapura , kadang2 sayasendiri pun harus memikirkan benar.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya daripadadahulu lagi memang P.A.P. inilangsong2 saya tidak perchaya , keranasaya ikuti tiap2 pemimpin, mithal-nyayang hendak memimpin kami, yanghendak memimpin ra`ayat hendak-lahmereka mempunyai kata satu, kata

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putus dan tidak boleh di-telan balekludah2 yang sudah di-keluarkan . Tetapipemimpin2 yang ada dalam P.A.P. hariini boleh dia berchakap "A", tetapisa-kejap masa lagi mereka akan ber-chakap "B" dan sa-kejap masa lagibarangkali berubah entah apa yangakan di-uchapkan-nya. Dan sa-tengah2pemimpin, ini saya tahu, kerj a-nyadaripada dahulu menjalankan jarum,kadang2 bukan tanggong-jawab-nyamereka masok champor dan mem-porak-perandakan satu perkara.

Saya teringat dalam satu cherita,sahabat saya Enche ' Rahim Ishak, diatidak ada di-dalam Dewan ini, sayaingat cherita beliau sendiri ini diatokoh yang hendak mengatakanpemimpin Melayu yang ada dalamP.A.P., yang hendak memperjuangkanorang Melayu mithal-nya di-Singapuraitu bersama2 dengan P.A.P. Satu masadahulu tahun 1958 di-bilek No. 2 di-New Hotel bahawa saudara RahimIshak yang masa itu menjadi PengarahUtusan Melayu telah dapat memasok-kan satu jarum yang paling merbahayaketika itu hendak memechahkan ataumendatangkan satu chadangan supayaguru2 seluroh yang bergabong denganP.G.M.S . masa itu keluar menentangKerajaan yang ada pada masa itu.Faedah -nya bila menang sahaja pilehanraya P.A.P., Rahim Ishak yang adadi-Malaya , tidak ada kerja apa2,kerana boleh di-jadikan muka depan,boleh di-jadikan barangkali jarum atauboleh di-jadikan topeng, maka diadapat Setia -usaha Politik kapada salahsa-buah Kementerian . Ini-lah dia tokohyang ada dalam P.A.P. dan di-dalamkajian Ahli2 P.A.P. daripada Singa-pura ini , pada sa`at ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Saya rasa patut kita sedarkan,kita sedarkan pandangan atau pen-dapatan mereka ini, kadang2 merekalupa. dan mereka menyamakan tarafbahawa Perdana Menteri Singapura ituagak-nya sama-lah taraf -nya denganPerdana Menteri Malaysia.

Oleh tersangat besar nafsu-nya danapa yang ada di-dalam dada -nya yangtelah salah perbandingan -nya tadi,maka ini-lah tadi kadang2 kita di-katakan tidak betul , tetapi apa yang di-jalankan oleh P.A.P., kalau kita ikuti

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daripada satu masa ka-satu masa,maka P.A.P.-lah yang salah , keranatadi baharu saya mendengar uchapandari Menteri Penerangan dan Penyia-ran yang memberikan satu pandangan,akan di-kaji untok mengambil, untokmenyamakan penyiaran radio yangada, atau pun talivishen yang ada di-Singapura itu yang sa -tengah2 daripadawakil atau pun Ahli2 daripada P.A.P.telah takut , atau telah pun khuatir,takut2 kalau bagi pehak kita menyalah-gunakan Perlembagaan yang ada.Tetapi, pemimpin besar -nya kalau diakata besar , tetapi bagi pehak saya,saga belum lagi nampak Mr Lee KuanYew ini sangat besar pemimpinbesar-nya sendiri pun tidak tahukedudokan -nya yang sa-benar. Sa-patut-nya sa-bagai sa-buah negeri yangmemimpin sa-buah Negeri , sa-bahagianNegeri di-dalam Malaysia ini, apabilakeluar daripada negeri ini , dia mesti-lah mematohi Perlembagaan . Sa-bagaira`ayat yang chintakan Malaysia, diatidak boleh membuat analisa2 ber-kena an dengan Keraj aan sendiri yangada, tetapi kalau dia menghadapikapada parti , atau kapada orang ramaidi-dalam kempen2 , di-dalam penera-ngan kita tidak gadoh mengatakankami ini tidak betul , dia tidak betulmengatakan bagi pehak Perikatantidak layak, P.A.P. layak itu tidak-lah barangkali kita ragukan, atau punkita susahkan , tetapi dalam soal ini,saya nampak di-dalam pemutusanfikiran saya, maka P.A.P. sekarangsunggoh2 merasa takut , berapa diri-nya,barangkali kurang kuat, dan haruspada tahun 1969 akan datang, barang-kali berubah chorak pemerentahan di-Singapura . Oleh sebab itu-lah terbuktiyang dia sendiri sudah tahu dengankeadaan P.A.P. sendiri sahaja menen-tang Perikatan , atau pun barangkalihendak berjalan dalam masa yang akandatang, harus tidak berjaya. Merekatelah mengumpulkan semua parti2yang pro-Malaysia keadaan yangsama bagi parti ini, sama ada dasarsocialist-kah, atau dasar perkaumantidak kira , asal boleh di -jadikan per-kakas, umpama-nya yang di-pileh-nyamacham Rahim Ishak dahulu yangboleh menj adi perkakas mereka, makaparti2 itu, atau orange yang saperti itudi-ambil, tetapi ini pun memboktikan

bahawa Enche ' Lee Kuan Yew sendiri,dia berchakap , dia tidak pakai.

Pada satu masa dahulu di-dalamUchapan Titah di-Raja juga, tahunlepas, dia mengatakan bahawa ke-dudokan parti, P.A.P. ini terang,dia bukan -lah sa-bagai muka hadapanbarisan kominis umpama -nya, PartiBarisan Sosialis umpama -nya, PartiS.U.P.P. daripada Sarawak, sekarangtanya dengan "saudara" Lee KuanYew, kalau orang Singupra kata dia"saudara" Lee Kuan Yew ini, apa-kah S.U.P.P. yang sudah samapenting anasir2 yang di-belakangS.U.P.P. ini? Apa-kah chakap dahulu,bukan chakap Lee Kuan Yewsekarang? Apa yang di-buat -nya di-siniyang sampai hari ini, itu juga tapeyang di-ulang2 -nya dan S .U.P.P. kitaterang2 mengatakan bahawa parti inidahulu menentang Malaysia dan adadi-selaputi , atau pun barangkali di-seludupi oleh kominis dan baharu duahari yang lepas, kita dapat tahubahawa Kerajaan bertindak mengha-ramkan sa-buah Chawangan S.U.P.P.,barangkali 14 batu -kah, atau berapabatu-kah daripada Bandar Kuchingdaripada pekan Kuching. Ini terang,tetapi kapada P.A.P. sa-bagaimanayang di-uchapkan oleh Menteri2 sa-bagaimana yang di -buat oleh Ahli2Yang Berhormat pemimpin2 Perika-tan- ini orang yang boleh , atau punparti yang boleh di-gunakan -nya : ah !mari di-gunakan , tetapi bila sampaimasa-nya, dia akan membuat guna,atau pun membuat analisa-nya sendiri,barangkali entah apa yang dia hendakbuat-nya yang akan datang.

Akhir-nya, pada sa`at ini , yang di-hadapan saya ini, paling senang Enche'Lee Kuan Yew ini mengatakan ter-masok pula tempat saya negeri Melakayang harus2 salah agak akan membuatsatu fikiran baharu hendak menyokongdengan ideal yang mengatakan charayang di-fikirkan , atau yang di-analisa-kan oleh P.A.P. dengan apa yangtimbul pada masa sekarang. Ini sayarasa patut-lah bagi pehak pemimpinP.A.P. ini , kalau mithal-nya hendakmembelah -bagi pun, kalau dia-lahmahu pada masa akan datang , biar-lahbetul2 sadikit.

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Ini, kami di-Melaka kalau hendakpergi di-Singapura pun Ialu di-Johordahulu, dan sangat-lah bodoh rasa-nyabagi pehak kami, terutama sa-kalira`ayat negeri Melaka, kalau tidakmengkaji sa-benar2-nya, atau tidak ber-gerak dengan sa-benar2-nya denganchary terang, dengan chara j aga,dengan chara hidup, bukan denganchara mimpi, kerana P.A.P. sendiripun tahu di-Melaka, saya rasa P.A.P.sendiri pun belum laku lagi belumlaku. Ada chalun2 yang bertanding di-Melaka dahulu, tentu-lah saudaraOthman wok boleh memberi jawapan,menang-kah atau tidak kalah ! dansunggoh bagi pehak kami di-Melakasekarang, kenal tindak-tandok P.A.P.ini, menlang-lah sudah terang sekarangini, dia hendak mengikat, atau punhendak mempengarohi, atau hendakmenipu orange China pada mula-nyauntok menyokong P.A.P. dan satumasa, saya perchaya, kalau kekuasaanada di-tangan P.A.P. nanti, makaMalaysia kita ini akan jadi salah satuta`alok negara kominis.

Jadi, sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, saya mengambil masa sadikitsahaja berkenaan dengan langkah Kera-jaan yang memutuskan bahawa pe-kerja2 tidak-lah boleh menjalankanmogok pada masa sekarang ini. Jadi,saya bagi pehak Perikatan pun, sayarasa bukan-lah tidak, atau pun tidakmahu bekerja bagi pehak pekerja2memang kita sedar bahawa kita bagi,pehak P'er'ikatan, atau Kerajaan sendirimemang sa-lama-nya memberi keuta-maan yang baik, atau pun yang elokkapada pekerja2, saya, ingat lebeh dari-pada keadaan2 yang telah lalu, tetapiapa yang saya hendak suarakan padahari ini bahawa sahabat2 kita, pemim-pin2 Trade Union ini hendak-iah ber-fikir masak di-dalam hale yang bersang-kut-paut dengan keadaan negara kitasekarang. Jangan menggunakan ugutandan memakai barangkali fikiran2 yangamrah ketika memikirkan keputusanbagi pehak Kerajaan.

Ada kita mendengar sekarang sa-hingga mereka mahu menubohkanparti2 politik, atau pun mahu menyoalpolitik bersama sa-bagai orang persa-orangan, atau pun sa-bagai kitara`ayat yang hidup di-dalam nega-ra

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demokrasi , tidak-lah terlarang, tidakdi-beri sekatan di-dalam soalan2 ini,tetapi magi-lah kita insaf sa-nlula ba-hawa bukan sahaja bagi pehak pekerja2yang hendak kita lindongi dalam kehi-dupan kita bahkan seluroh pekerja yangbukan kaki -tangan Kerajaan yang be-kerja kapada perusahaan pun ada-lahpatut sama2 kita fikirkan sekarang mi.Dan dalam masa keadaan negara kitayang sedang di -dalam dharurat ini, ataupun menghadapi konferantasi daripadaIndonesia ini, patut -lah kita memikir-kan bersama2 dengan sa-sunggoh-nyamemikirkan perkara ini dan bukan-lahboleh kita alehkan niat Kerajaan Per-ikatan ini menjalankan satu dasarhendak menchari kebaikan yang bolehpula kita pesongkan kapada tujuan2yang lain. Sakian -lah sahaja . Terimakaseh.

Enche' Geh Chong Keat (PenangUtara): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise tosupport the original motion before theHouse and, on behalf of my consti-tuents, thank Duli Yang Maha MuliaSeri P'aduka Baginda Yang di-PertuanAgong for the Gracious Speech, forruling our nation wisely and justly.During Their Majesties' reign they havereceived and reciprocated goodwill andfriendship from nations far and wide.Our Malaysian citizens and people,young and old, from all races, religionsand creeds, love Their Majesties andowe much to them for the big leap inour national progress, prosperity andhappiness. Under the able leadershipof Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku AbdulRahman Putra Al-Haj and his Cabinet,the economy of the nation is expandingin step with a growing population andsuccessfully meeting the challenge ofbuilding a better life and a happiersociety for all true Malaysians, andparticularly for the underprivileged.Under the various rural developmentschemes and rural economic upliftment,the use of modern techniques to in-crease production in the factories andin the fields has forged ahead the dedi-cation to the goal of ensuring that thegap between the haves and the have-nots is steadily narrowed, so that thelabourers and the lower income groupcan have a fair share of the fruits oftheir labour. Big land development

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schemes are making wider settlementpossible, and fulfilling the Alliancepolicy of land for the landless, and thiswill maintain a proper balance betweenland and population for any length oftime; this would prove to be verysuccessful and would claim nationalachievement in land reform, if distri-bution or allocation is made on a moregeneral basis, i.e. Malaysian basis, atthis latter part of our Malaysianprogramme.

We are most grateful to our belovedPrime Minister for leading us forwardtogether with hope and confidence tothe future. We have very good reasonsto rejoice in our overall advance inMalaysia and also for maintaining thepolicy we adopted at the time of ourindependence. We have and will remainconsistent and loyal to our ideals offreedom and democracy in accordancewith the Constitution, and to our desireto maintain friendship and co-opera-tion with other nations, particularlyour immediate neighbours.

The firm steps taken by our PerdanaMenteri and the Minister four HomeAffairs to protect the integrity andprestige of the Malaysians of Chineseorigin against the Philippines' discri-mination has brought added pride toour Malaysian heritage. This is not thefirst time that they have taken actionto defend Malaysians of Chinese origin.This action speaks volume of theirassurances of building a truly Malay-sian Malaysia and this has again beenendorsed by our Honourable Ministerfor Home Affairs. Such action deservesthe praise and support of all loyal andtrue Malaysians.

Our Prime Minister has time andagain told the people that there is aplace under the Malaysian sun foreveryone, a place for every loyal citizenand those who consider Malaysia theirhome, and that the country belongs toloyal and true Malaysians. Here, Iwould like to' say in Bahasa Kebang-saan :

Kita ra`ayat Malaysia, bukan China bukanMelayu atau orang India. Tiga bangsa danasing bersatu bangsa Malaysia. Tanah ayerpun hak ra`ayat Malaysia.

Our Honourable Minister of Finance,Enche' Tan Siew Sin, has often

appealed to all Malaysians to livetogether harmoniously with tolerancefor a better and happier society. As theNational President of the MalayanChinese Association, he has pledgedthe forging of the Chinese culturalidentity into a Malaysian culture, whichwill enrich and which is the logicaloutcome of the Malaysian nation,which we X11 are striving to build.With his guidance and our citizens'high sense of responsibility and loyaltyin regarding ourselves as Malaysians,we therefore deem it our duty to defendour nation against all aggressors at thecost of our lives, in order to protectour Malaysian heritage.

I would like to remind this House ofthe warnings given by the many leadersabout enemies within and without ourcountry. These warnings have to betaken in all seriousness in the consoli-dation of our preparedness to' meet ourcommon enemy. We should not allowpoliticking to split us apart thetraitors and disloyal elements must beseriously dealt with without reserva-tion.

Sir, the Members of the SocialistFront have in this House pledged theirloyalty to our King and country andthe Member for Dato' Kramat hassupported the call from the HonourableMinister of Finance for unity. He hasalso informed us that there are copiesof statements by the Socialist Front,Malaysia. I am very worried as to whattype of statements or booklets he isgoing to show. However, I have gothere some quotations , which I wouldlike to quote, from the suggestionsproposed in discussions by the PenangDivisional Branch at a representativemeeting on whether or not the Partyshould issue illegal statements datedthe 7th March, 1965:

"The Socialist Front discussed the term`illegal '. It must be more clearly definedamong their Party. Does it mean unconstitu-tional, or unlawful, or non-constitutional andunlawful statements? If `illegal' means un-constitutional or unlawful because it isconstitutional, then, obviously, the Partymust not make such statements as we are aconstitutional party and owe a responsibilityas such to all members and the people whomwe represent."

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This is a little bit of tongue twisting,Sir, by the Socialist Front and thisI have got to^ practise.

"If it means purely unlawful but constitu-tional statements , then the national executivemust decide according to each case , that is,to call for a demonstration banned by thePolice may sometimes be necessary when themembers are prepared to face the conse-quences . In such instances , it would beridiculous for the Party not to take appro-priate action as a calculated risk."

"The party also decided that it should,bearing the above two contradictions in mind,use its powers to oppose the call-up withinall constitutional means, provided we do notjeopardise the national interest and thesovereign integrity of our country andprovided we do not by these means becomean anti -national organisation , and these con-tradictions are : `We are anti -Malaysia butneither do we support illegal struggle.'Bearing in mind all the points, the Branchesfeel that they cannot support the Nationalcall-up as it might heighten the danger ofwar with Indonesia . At the same time werealise that if we do not support the Nationalcall-up and strengthen our defences we willbecome victims of foreign powers and mightend up in an anti-national position."

Here, we have in the same breathmembers from the Socialist Frontdeclaring their loyalty and support to^their King and country . What appearsmore dangerous of all, Sir, I would liketo read again from the extracts of theSocialist Front's minutes :

"Not to act unconstitutionally does notmean to oppose . To attack such laws we canattack the fundamental basis of such lawsand we do that constitutionally and legally.For example, this is not a good example,but we might as well deal with it. Malaysiawas formed with the signatures of the variousGovernments concerned . It is a constitutionalreality. Do we , in opposing Malaysia, denythat it exists for its citizens? To deny itsexistence must seem to deny its citizenshiptoo."

As it is, they proclaim themselves anti-Malaysia and yet we have not heardboth Members of the Socialist Fronthere renouncing their citizenships.

"But should we not oppose it? Of course,we must . But how ? Do we say we do notaccept Malaysia , or do we admit thatMalaysia exist, but maintain that it isrepugnant to our concept of democracy, andthat it would lead to disaster and that itshould be dissolved and a new discussionshould begin?"

Sir, they are trying to dissolve what isundissolvable ! That is what I know ofthe views of the Socialist Front, andthey are trying to do things behind the

back of the Government; the mostdangerous of all is that they are tryingto dissolve the undissolvable andwhich, I am sure, Members of Parlia-ment and the citizens of this countrywill gladly invite them to do.

Sir, it is very necessary that I alsoecho in this august House the warningof the Honourable Minister of Educa-tion on the 18th March, 1958, deliveredat the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. Iquote :

"Fanatics and opportunists will createdisorder. We have heard of what hadhappened in India and Ceylon, where riotshad resulted in bloodshed, just because of theimpossible action of a minority group."

He added further, and I quote :"We must not let this happen here. We

must not allow anyone to exploit languageor religion for their own ends."

How right he was in warning thenation to beware of the fanatics. As weknow, there are some people whowould like to tell us what to do whatthey themselves do not believe or havefaith in. I ask these few people, whyexploit our people, our citizens andabove all, why exploit other people'schildren? Sir, we must look forward;we must not look backward. Thecountry has progressed and has bornefruits and has shown results. Whetherthe policy is right or wrong, there isa democratic provision for parties tofight it out and make it their businessto take over the Government. Butexploitation of this type must not betolerated by any member of any party.

Sir, I would like to state specificallythat I support the National languageand associate myself specifically withthe remarks made by the Minister ofEducation. I quote :

"Language should be a unifying factor. Ifwe are to have this, we should be broad-minded and show tolerance, as we believe indemocracy."

Arising out of this, I am sure theHonourable Minister of Education hasshown a lot of tolerance and under-standing, and he has also shown thatthe National language as a bindingfactor can be achieved, if we arepractical and sensible. He has alsoshown great tolerance by allowingChinese schools to have Chinese sign

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boards. It may be a small matter, butlittle things will give rise to fear. How-ever, I am glad to say that his broad-mindedness has corrected the wronginstructions carried out by the StateChief Education Officer.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: May I knowhow long more it will take you tofinish?

Enche' Geh Chong Keat : I will takeonly another five minutes, Sir. Now,Sir, I would like to touch on Commerceand Industry. I am sure that the publicfully realise that it is the Government'spolicy to protect local industries. If inprotecting each and every industry,Government has to drastically curtailthe importation of goods from abroad,surely, the nation's cost of living wouldrise considerably sooner or later. It istherefore, incumbent upon the Govern-ment to try to strike a suitable mediumof maintaining a healthy competitionuntil such time as the country's require-ments in the various commodities andessential products can be really met byour local pioneer-status factories. Togive protection in order for the factoriesto monopolise would not be a healthypolicy of the Government.

Sir, the people of Penang Island feelthat they have been strangled veryslowly and steadily. Import restrictionhas been imposed "for only Penangconsumption". The Government hascontrolled export to the Mainland; ithas made it very complicating anddifficult for the Islanders. Goods canbe imported by the residents, or thetraders, residing in Butterworth, andthey can apply for import permits atthe local Penang office. But the PenangIsland traders cannot export goods toButterworth or the Mainland, unlessthey apply to Kuala Lumpur, theHeadquarters, direct. This is really,shall I say, "passing the buck from oneDepartment to another". I request theHonourable Minister of Commerce andIndustry to study the situation and Ihope that he will ease the restriction,because a lot of traders in PenangIsland have their business on the Main-land, Butterworth, and they would liketo move their articles to Butterworth,

but under the present restriction, theyare not allowed to ship or transportover whatever remaining products theymay have in Penang. For example, acontractor may need some of hismaterials at Butterworth, or the Main-land, to fulfil his contracts. Now, tobring the old planks and materials overto Butterworth, he has got to apply toKuala Lumpur rather than the Penangoffice.

Sir, another point that I would liketo bring forth is in regard to partitionmentioned by Mr Lee Kuan Yew, theP.A.P. leader. Sir, he spoke of parti-tioning and in that he has includedPenang. Sir, we may have our quarrelswith the Minister of Finance (Mr TanSiew Sin); we may not see eye to eyewith him; we may also not agree withthe Minister of Commerce and Industry.Penang may have a record for secessionbefore the formation of the Federationof Malaya, but as time passes we alsohave changed our views. We have beenvery annoyed with the Minister ofFinance for committing Penang Islandinto the Common Market. We haveheard, time and again, of statementsand representations made to him. Hehas at one time made himself veryunpopular, but then, as time marcheson, we have progressed. Above all, wehave faith in Malaysia and we havefaith in the Prime Minister, TunkuAbdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj, and weare sure that whatever grievances andfrustrations we may have in Penangover the free port status, he would lookinto them. We have made known ourdecisions and he has reciprocatedsaying that the free port status shall beuntil such time as the people desire it.But then we are very worried becausethe Minister of Finance and theMinister of Commerce and Industrymay not agree with that view, and asthe result of that, with all these restric-tions, we, the Penang people, aresuffering in trade and other businessesHowever, in spite of these, we will notagree to go in alignment with the P.A.P.to secede or form another union withSingapore. It is up to the P.A.P. toconvince the people. It is up to them tocapture the State Government. They didtry. Mr Lee Kuan Yew marched along

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Beach Street towards a public rallyone afternoon. He tried to gather acrowd or a mass behind him. Unfor-tunately, the people, who came out, justwanted to have a look to see what LeeKuan Yew looks like. The P.A.P.closed down its branch, took down itssignboard and, in the last three months,the P.A.P. has been making anothereffort to establish themselves in anothernew building. Sir, as one party toanother, as one politician to another,we say, "Welcome to Penang Island.We can fight it out all over again."(Applause).

Sir, when debating on the King'sSpeech it is natural for Members ofParliament to touch on certain aspectsof economy. Since time is very pressingand as the Yang di-Pertuan Agong hasmentioned, "With regard to the econo-mic development, one unfortunatefactor is the downward trend in theprice of rubber, one of our two mainproducts, because of competition fromsynthetic rubber", I would not like togo through what I have here. However,I would like to bring forth this to theattention of the Minister of Agriculture.Under diversification, I request forGovernment support and subsidy fornutmeg and cloves cultivation on theIsland of Penang in the nationallanguage it is bunga chengkeh andbuah Pala. Sir, the history of Penang islinked with the cultivation of nutmegand cloves as economic crops. Beforethe turn of this century there wereapproximately 14,000 acres under thecultivation of nutmeg, but this crop wasreplaced by rubber, and today we haveabout 400 acres of grown nutmegplantation. Sir, if the Minister canestablish an experimental station tostudy the growing of these crops, I amsure this diversification of crops willbring more income to our cultivatorsin Penang and the country, as bothnutmegs and cloves are in very greatdemand in the European countries andAmerica. Incidentally, they have beentrying to grow these crops in Mexico,in the Philippines, and even in India,but have failed. Given the right oppor-tunity at the right time, I shall go intodetails.

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Sir, the next point is in regard totrawler fishing, because the Yang di-Pertuan Agong ... .

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: I would remindyou that you have already taken up10 minutes.

Enche' Geh Chong Keat : I will makeit short.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: I will giveyou one more minute.

Enche ' Geh Chong Keat: Yes, Sir.The Yang di-Pertuan Agong in para-graph 404 mentioned trawler fishing.Sir, we agree to progress, but in makingprogress we must safeguard the liveli-hood of the inshore fishermen. TheMinister has allowed trawler fishingwith conditions, but very unfortunatelya 15 fathom limit has been agreed uponas a common fishing ground of theoffshore fishermen, and I would requestthat he look into this question of depthand the question of supervision. As itis, a statement was made by the Hon-ourable Minister of Agriculture on acertain date the heading was some-thing like "Trawler fishing ban lifted."This statement and heading had broughtabout a lot of misunderstanding andeven the police were misled by thisstatement. They thought that the banon trawler fishing was lifted and theycould trawl anywhere they liked andeven today they have been trawling. Tomake matters worse, the NorthernRegional Fisheries Officer said, "Whynot, what can we do? What can theMinister do?" And it was said at thatmeeting; he admitted openly that therewas illegal trawling all over the shoreson the eastern side, and the Departmentcould not do anything against thisillegal trawling. Therefore, I request theHonourable Minister to be very cautiousin granting licences to trawler fishing.He must stick to the conditions that hehas imposed and also see that there isproper control and supervision : andunless he can control and supervise andeliminate this illegal trawling, then Isay that the permitting of trawler fishingwould turn out to be a failure andwould bring trouble between the fisher-men and trawlers. Thank you.

Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (KualaKangsar): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya

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suka-lah berdiri di-sini, petang ini,mengambil sadikit peluang beruchapdi-dalam perkara Titah Duli YangMaha Mulia Seri Paduka BagindaYang di-Pertuan Agong dan menyo-kong dengan sa-penoh-nya is-itu di-dalam Rumah yang berbahagia inimenyampaikan junjong kaseh kapadaDuli Yang Maha Mulia itu di-ataslimpah kurnia memberi kita Uchapanyang bagitu baik dan bagitu penoh dandengan yang demikian juga, Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, saya suka-lah membangkangdengan sa-penoh2-nya di-atas pindaanyang telah di-bawa oleh Ahli YangBerhormat dari Singapura dua hariyang lalu. Kemudian daripada itu apa-bila saya memikirkan di-atas uchapan2yang telah di-dengar di-dalam Rumahyang berbahagia ini sa-lama tiga hariyang telah lalu, teringat-fah saya akanuchapan "Edmund Burke" tatkalamenuntut kemerdekaan bagi negeriAmerika di-dalam tahun 1768 dahulu,kerana ada-Iah uchapan2-nya itusangat-lah lanchar, sangat-lah penohdan penoh juga dengan segala sengat2dan penyakit2 yang di-tujukan kapadaKerajaan kita. Pendek kata-nyasemua-lah kita di-sini teringat hari27 haribulan dahulu, bagaimanasaperti satu orang memainkan wayang,Yang Berhormat Perdana MenteriSingapura, telah mengangkat bukuPerlembagaan Malaysia dan mengata-kan is-itu tiap2 Ahli di-dalam RumahYang Berbahagia ini hendak-lahmengekalkan Perlembagaan itu danjuga mengingatkan kita is-itu tiap2 satuorang daripada kita yang dudok di-sinitelah mengangkat sumpah yang Per-lembagaan itu hendak-lah di-kawal,hendak-Iah di-churiga, hendak-Iah di-pertahankan. Maka pada hari ini, padapagi tadi, kita semua terbacha di-dalamsurat khabar "Straits Times" mengata-kan is-itu beliau telah pun membayang2-kan soalan Malaysia di-depan kita mi.Kalau sa-kira-nya tidak dapat di-selesaikan dengan jalan yang lain,hendak-lah Malaysia ini di-rombakbalek menj adikan sa-umpama sa-helaikain yang hendak di-charek2. Jadi tidakada berma`ana kapada beliau itu yangMalaysia yang kita idami dan kitaagong2kan pembangunan-nya sa-telahdua tahun lalu di-panjangkan usia-nya.

Jadi, perkara itu biar-lah sayatinggalkan dahulu, kerana denganpesanan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tadi, ia-itu tiap2 orang itu boleh berchakapchuma dalam 10 minit dan saya ber-pandu juga dengan sa-berapa bolehuntok mengetatkan isi-nya. Sa-telahAhli Yang Berhormat daripada Singa-pura itu berchakap, berdiri-lah pulaAhli Yang Berhormat dari Ipoh yangtelah mengatakan, is-itu dengan ada-nya clause, atau pun Article 153 di-dalam Perlembagaan itu, dia juga-fahmengatakan yang dia tidak bersetujudaripada mula-nya di-adakan dan di-tubohkan Malaysia ini, dan sa-olah2chakap-nya sekarang, awak telah dapatmengalami kerumitan2 daripada Malay-sia di-dirikan, apa kata kami? Bakkata orang tua2: Ah ! kami sudahchakap dahulu, sekarang awak sudahrasa betul-kah atau tidak. Jadi, diajuga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lahsatu daripada parti yang tidak memeli-hara dan mengawal PerlembagaanMalaysia ini dan sumpah yang di-angkat-nya di-dalam Rumah yang ber-bahagia ini tidak ada berma`anakapada Ahli Yang Berhormat dariIpoh itu, kerana tiap2 sa-orang mesti-lah mewakili, atau pun mengawal danmenahankan Perlembagaan itu, tetapidi-dalam Perlembagaan itu apa yangdi-pechat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormatitu is-lah "Bahasa", dan "Hak IstimewaOrange Melayu". Sunggoh pun lagu ituis-Iah lagu lama dan kita semua sudahpuas mendengar-nya, tetapi sakit jugahati kita mendengar-nya lagi sa-kali.Sa-telah itu, berdiri pula wakil dari-pada U.D.P. mengatakan kenapa pulaParti Perikatan takut kapada PartiP.A.P. yang ada di-Singapura danmenudoh kita, barangkali is-lah keranakita telah silap dan dia telah menge-mukakan empat factor yang mengata-kan is-lab kita ini takut dan dengansebab itu telah mengadakan chara2 danusaha2 yang boleh mengejutkan ra-`ayat jelata dan yang kedua-nya ketaku-tan kita itu is-lab dengan sebab kitatelah membuat salah dan tahu is-ituperasaan perkauman belum habis danbelum selesai, dan yang ketiga kata-nya ini-lah satu chara Parti Perikatanhendak mengekalkan kuasa-nya. Demi-kian-lah kata beliau di-dalam uchapan-nya yang panjang lebar yang telah

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mengambil masa lebeh daripada duajam pada hari itu juga.

Kemudian berdiri pula Ahli YangBerhormat daripada Barisan SosialisSingapura yang telah menerangkankapada kita di-dalam Rumah yangberbahagia ini macham mana pendirianParti-nya, is-itu dia juga sa-rupadengan P.A.P. mengatakan pada masayang lalu, kami dahulu ta' suka di-adakan Malaysia dan kesusahan2-nyatimbul sekarang, rasa-lah sendiri. Apakata kami hari itu, kami juga ta' sukatentera2 daripada negeri2 asing beradadi-sini, pendek kata Parti BarisanSosialis itu is-lah dudok di-dalammimpi sampai pada hari mi. Kalausa-kira-nya tidak bagitu, tentu-lah diatidak berkata demikian, kerana kalautidak ada tentera2 daripada sahabat2kita di-dalam Commonwealth dudokbersama2 kita di-sini, besok pun bolehdi-masoki oleh kominis, malam iniboleh di-masoki oleh Indonesia. Pen-dek kata, kalau sa-kira-nya boleh, sayasendiri mengi`tirafkan Barisan Sosialisini is-lah suka dia kapada kominisdan boleh-lah kita katakan, kalau ta'silap saya, dia "tali barut" kominisdi-dalam negeri ini saya ulang lagitali barut kominis di-dalam negeri mi.Dan dia tidak bersetuju dengan partiP.A.P. kerana is-lah kalau dua orangmenjadi penchuri itu, dual orang pen-churi juga, tetapi sa-orang bolehmengatakan dia ta' menchuri bila di asudah mendapati kawan itu salah. Jadi,kata pepatah orang puteh: "There isno honour among the thieves, andboth of them are thieves".

Jadi, daripada situ saya berbalek-lah sa-mula, kerana masa hanya adalima minit pada saya. Berbalek sayakapada soal Parti P.A.P., khusus-nyais-itu Ahli Yang Berhormat daripadaSingapura, Enche' Lee Kuan Yewyang telah mengemukakan is-itu patut-lah kita bercherai sa-lepas kita ber-kahwin dahulu. Belum lagi kita ber-bulan madu dan tengah dua tahun kitadi-Malaysia ini belum lagi berbulanmadu, Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, tetapisudah hendak bercherai. Jadi, cheraiitu, barangkali talak satu-kah, talakdua-kah, atau talak tiga-kah wallahhua`lam, tetapi saya berharap is-itukepentingan negara hendak-Iah kita

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jaga dengan sa-boleh2-nya dan kamibagi Parti Perikatan di-dalam Negeriini, atau pun Negeri2 di-dalam Seme-nanjong ini telah berkata berkali2,berulang2 kali, bukan sahaja tenaga,usaha wang ringgit, bahkan nyawadan titisan darah yang akhir, kamisedia mengorbankan untok negarakami, kerana tidak ada negara lainyang kami anggap sa-bagai tempatdudok kami, dan kami biar-lah ber-mati dengan-nya. Maka dengan ada-nya gambaran yang telah di-bawa olehakhbar Straits Times pagi tadi men-jadikan terkejut kapada kami orangePerikatan di-sini dan juga kapadaorange Melayu `am-nya, walau partiapa sa-kali pun, saya perchaya sahabatsaya di-sabelah sana daripada orangeMelayu, barangkali ta' bersetuju diatelah mengatakan bertalu2 is-itu di-sinidia tidak bersetuju sa-mata2 dengankerana kita, tetapi saya rasa kalau sa-kira-nya negeri kita di-ancham, tentusa-kali dia pun masok pada sa-belahki ta.

Jadi, dengan sebab itu, saya berharapjangan-lah lidah itu berchakap denganmudah, dengan chara berchabang di-sini berchakap bagini, di-sini bercha-kap bagini.

Yang Berhormat Enche' Lee KuanYew pada pagi yang pertama mengata-kan : "Kami is-lab loyal OppositionPembangkang yang ta`at setia kapadaNegara". Hari ini hendak merombakMalaysia. Saya rasa ini-lah dua perkarayang berlainan. Dia boleh di-anggaptidak setia. dan kalau sa-kira-nyahendak memakai perkataan yang lebehkeras boleh di-katakan treason dalambahasa Inggeris. Barangkali juga beliauitu tidak tahu macham mana bagi kamiorange Melayu khusus-nya berada padatentang negeri mi. Kalau sa-kira-nyahendak di-pechah2kan Malaysia iniuntok di-bahagi kapada kominis, sayaperchaya dengan perpechahan itu inibesok Indonesia boleh masok ka-Sabahmengikut Pulau Sebatek, lusa Indone-sia boleh ka-Sibu dari Limbangan di-dalam Sarawak dan tulat barangkaliboleh masok ka-Singapura daripadaRhio. Jadi, tidak-Iah ada ma`ana-nyakita mengadakan satu batasan hendakmenchegah kemajuan daripada satuparti yang besar di-dunia ini is-itu

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parti kominis. Maka dengan sebab ituhendak-lah kita semua memandangkepentingan negara dan tidak ada lainj alan kepentingan itu di-kawal melain-kan dengan bersatu-padu.

Maka saya rasa dengan sebab ba-nyak lagi kawan saya yang hendakberchakap kalau di-biarkan saya ber-chakap barangkali sa-tengah jam lagipun boleh, tetapi tentu-lah Tuan Yangdi-Pertua akan menegor dan keranakita telah berjanji, kita ikut-lah janji.Biar-lah saga minta diri dahulu.Terima kaseh.

Enche' E. W. Barker (Singapore):Mr Speaker, Sir, the motion before thisHouse is a motion on the Speechgraciously delivered by His Majestythe Yang di-Pertuan Agong. We haveheard several speakers, GovermnentMinisters and backbenchers, who havehardly touched upon the contents ofHis Majesty's Address. Instead, theyhave chosen the People's Action Partyas the target for their attacks. Wehave heard no constructive suggestions;instead, one after another of thespeakers have done nothing else butspeak of the People's Action Party andthe Prime Minister of Singapore.

On behalf of my colleagues andmyself I would like to thank theGovernment for the valuable publicitywhich they have given us publicitygiven continuously over four days, andpublicity which we consider worth itsweight in gold. This continuous attackagainst the Singapore Governmentmight make some people think thatit is the Singapore Governmentwhich is the Government of Malaysia.(Laughter). But, as a few speakers havepointed out, Mr Speaker, we are beingconfronted by the Indonesians. Theyhave landed paratroops; they havemade incursions into Kota Tinggi andeven Pontian; they have from time totime exploded bombs in Singapore.But hardly any of the Governmentspeakers have touched upon the ques-tion of confrontation. Instead, theytalked about their internal enemy, andas one of the Ministers pointed out justnow, externally, they say, Soekarno,internally Lee Kuan Yew. But whichis worse? To come to the truth, MrSpeaker, I think I should quote part

of a speech made by the HonourableMember for Johore Tenggara thiswas a speech he was alleged to havemade in Malacca on 5th April thisyear and he is reported in the UtusanMelayu to have said this :

"Dato' Albar added :-and I quote-`TheAlliance, particularly UMNO, is not so muchworried about Indonesia' s confrontation,because we know how far they can takeaction. But we are very afraid of internalelements.'"

Mr Speaker, Sir, that little part of thespeech, I think, explains the whole toneof this debate on the King's Address.Right from the beginning, starting fromthe Mover of the motion right up totoday, there has been nothing else butthe alleged evils of Lee Kuan Yew andthe Singapore Ministers.

Enche' Tan Toh Hong: On a pointof clarification, Sir. When I made thespeech on Friday, I think the Honour-able Member who is speaking now wasnot here. I spoke quite long on con-frontation, not merely in terms ofMalaysia's survival but in terms of awider context and a threat to worldpeace. Unfortunately, some papers havenot bothered to publish it. But thereare some papers which have publishedit in the language which the Honour-able Member, who spoke just now,probably cannot read.

Enche' E. W. Barker : I can assurethe Honourable Member from BukitBintang that I was here part of thetime when he spoke, but I am not toblame if the newspapers do not carryhis speech. (Laughter).

Mr. Speaker, Sir, our Constitutionprovides for a democratic Malaysiabut, unfortunately, recent legislationalready passed and legislation intendedto be passed by the Central Govern-ment has encroached upon the funda-mental concepts of democracy uponwhich our Constitution is based. Men-tion has been made in this debate aboutthe postponing of local governmentelections and the banning in essentialservices of strikes and industrialactions. But, Mr Speaker, Sir, what ismore disconcerting is the proposedlegislation by the Ministry of Justice.I refer, firstly, to the Criminal Proce-dure Code, (Amendment) Act, 1965,

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and secondly, to the Court of Judica-ture Act (Amendment) Bill. Little hasbeen said about the first Act in thisHouse, but judging from the news-papers that Act is causing much publicconcern. And, Mr Speaker, I think Icannot do better than bring the atten-tion of the House to an editorial in theStraits T ijnes of yesterday, on page 10,headed "Accusation and Trial".

Mr Speaker, Sir, if you will bearwith me, I will quote very shortly fromthis editorial.

"Although the proposed changes in thecriminal Procedure Code (Amendment) Billare not as drastic in at least one importantrespect as was first reported, they are farreaching and on the whole regressive. Theyare not attracting anywhere near the attentionthey deserve. The two major changes proposedare the abolition of preliminary enquirybefore committal for trial in the High Court,and the restriction of the right of trial byjury to offences punishable by death."

The editorial ends, Mr Speaker, Sir, inthis way :

"It is very difficult not to question theseamendments to the code when the explana-tory statement solemnly asserts that all theexisting safeguards of the present system arepreserved. They are not."

Mr Speaker, Sir, we in Singaporeare not affected by this proposed Bill,which, I understand, is being confinedto the States of Malaya and the Borneoterritories. What we are more con-cerned with is the proposed amend-ment to the court of JudicatureAct (Amendment) Bill which hasalso attracted sufficient public atten-tion to merit comments in the StraitsTimes of today. The Straits Timestoday gave a whole editorial to thisproposed Bill, an editorial under theheading "Privy Council".

Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe-rang Utara): Mr Speaker, Sir, on apoint of order Standing Order 39 (1)states :

"It shall be out of order to anticipate thediscussion of a Bill standing on the Orderof Business by discussion upon a substantivemotion . .. . "

I think the Honourable Member isspeaking on the Bill that is coming upfor discussion. I appeal to you for yourruling, Mr Speaker, Sir.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: Yes, the Billwill be discussed tomorrow.

Enche' E. W. Barker: Mr Speaker,Sir, though the Bill will be discussedtomorrow, may I point out that severalHonourable Members from the Govern-ment side have made reference to thisBill this morning, and the Minister ofFinance has also supported the Bill bysaying that the only argument againstthe Bill is that our Bar and our Benchare not fit enough to sit at the finalCourt of Appeal. It was on that thatI ask the Honourable Minister ques-tions. However, I shall abide by yourruling, Mr Speaker. If you think youshould rule me out, that I would notsay anything on the Bill, I will sitdown.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: Yes, that Billwill be discussed tomorrow.

Dato ' Dr Ismail : Sir, the Bill is notgoing to be read a second time in thissession. In moving the Bill for the firsttime, I did mention that the secondreading will be at the subsequentsession and not at this session. This isjust a point of information.

Enche' E. W. Barker: I thank theHonourable Minister of Home Affairsfor his explanation. I understand theposition as was stated : the Bill is notcoming up tomorrow and it mightnever come up at all. However, this isa debate on the King's Speech and onthe King's Speech a Member can rangeover all sorts of matters. Shall Iproceed, Mr Speaker, Sir? (Mr DeputySpeaker assents).

Dato' Dr Ismail : Sir, on behalf ofthe Government, I have no objection.

Enche' E. W. Barker : Sir, theJudicial Committee of the Privy Councilis a unique body which still serves avery important purpose in the Commonwealth of today. No one can denyits invaluable contribution to theadministration of justice in thosecountries which have at one time orother allowed appeals to the PrivyCouncil. It has been our final Court ofAppeal for many years and has servedus well. Why then should we dispensewith its services so quickly after theformation of Malaysia? Why, MrSpeaker, Sir, I ask, should there be acloud of secrecy under which the Bill'

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was tabled ? In a democratic country itis usual for any responsible governmentto consult not only the Bench but alsothe Bar when proposing to makeimportant changes in the law.

We have three High Courts inMalaysia : one in Kuala Lumpur, onein Singapore and one in Kuching toserve the Borneo territories. I do notknow , Mr Speaker , Sir, whether theChief Justice of Malaya was consulted.But I am reliably informed that neitherthe Chief Justice of Singapore nor theChief Justice of North Borneo wasofficially consulted, or even showndrafts of the Bill, which I, myself, onlysaw this morning. What is even worseis the fact that the Bar was not con-sulted at any stage . In fact , it was onlyafter several meetings of the variousBar Committees throughout the countrythat the Draft Bill and the contentsthereof were made available to them.

Mr Speaker , Sir, the Singapore BarCommittee has passed certain drasticresolutions which I intended to read tothis House, but in view of the shorttime we have left I am afraid I will not.

Mr Speaker , Sir, the methods used bythe Government in shrouding its inten-tions by almost complete secrecy cannotcertainly be described in any sense as"democratic". The only excuse theGovernment can have for abolishingthis right of appeal is that afterIndependence we should not submitourselves to the dictates of an EnglishCourt . But if this view is held, it is ofcourse erroneous , for the Privy Councilis not an English Court. The PrivyCouncil consists of judges from all overthe Commonwealth . At one time itconsisted of judges from India,Sinhalese judges, judges from Australia,judges from New Zealand , judges fromCanada . So, to say that we arefollowing the dictates of an EnglishCourt is completely wrong. It is true,Mr Speaker , that in theory the systemof appeals to the Privy Council is stillformally associated with the Britishmonarch as the foundation of justice.But in practice when the Judicial Com-mittee sits to hear an overseas appeal,it is , to all intents and purposes, sittingas a final Court of Appeal for that

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particular country from which theappeal came. The law it applies is thelaw of that country and not Englishlaw.

Mr Speaker , Sir, the retention ofold forms may be objectionable tonationalistic sentiments , but any objec-tion on that score is not reasonable.In Malaysia, His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong is interposed betweenthe Federal Court and the JudicialCommittee of the Privy Council.Appeals do not lie direct from ourCourt to England . Appeals lie from theFederal Court to the Yang di-PertuanAgong. He then refers the appeals, orapplications for special leave to appeal,to the Judicial Committee of the PrivyCouncil. But when the Judicial Com-mittee delivers judgment, it usually endsby saying that "Their Lordships willreport to the Head of the Federation toallow or dismiss the appeal", as thecase may be. This clearly shows, MrSpeaker , Sir, that the Yang di-PertuanAgong and not the British monarch isthe foundation of justice in Malaysia.

It is apparent, Mr Speaker, Sir, thatthe Government has no excuse , exceptperhaps a political one, for the abolitionor restriction of appeals to the PrivyCouncil. With regard to constitutionalmatters , this is very apparent as theConstitution provides that only theFederal Court can deal with constitu-tional matters. Mr Speaker , Sir, I wouldrefer to Article 128 of our Constitution,which reads

"The Federal Court shall , to the exclusionof any other court, have jurisdiction todetermine-

(a) any question whether a law made byParliament or by the Legislature of aState is invalid on the ground that itmakes provision with respect to a matterwith respect to which Parliament or, asthe case may be, the Legislature of theState has no power to make laws; and

(b) disputes on any other question betweenStates or between the Federation andany State."

So, Sir , if a dispute arises, not neces-sarily between Singapore and KualaLumpur (pause) (Mr Speaker takes overthe Chair from Mr (Deputy) Speaker).Mr Speaker , Sir, I have just referred toArticle 128 of the Constitution whichdeals with constitutional matters. What

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I was going to say was that it is onlythe Federal Court that can deal withconstitutional matters and if we are toget rid of the Privy Council in respectof constitutional matters, then ourFederal Court not only becomes thecourt of first instance but it is also thecourt of the last instance where anydispute on the Constitution lies.

Mr Speaker, Sir, before I conclude,may I say that we note with satisfactionthat the Government has postponed thesecond and third readings of this Bill.We hope that the protests of the Barand the public, and I include the Bench,will be considered by the Governmentseriously and that the Bill will not beproceeded with further in this House.Before I close, Mr Speaker, Sir, may Ithank the Honourable Minister ... .

Dato' Dr Ismail : On a point of clari-fication, it has not been the intentionof the Government to bring the Bill forthe second and third readings at thismeeting. So there is no question ofpostponement as the Honourable Mem-ber said.

Enche' E. W. Barker: Before I close,I want to thank the HonourableMinister on the other bench for givingme this opportunity to say my littlepiece, and thank you Mr Speaker.

Enche' Lee San Choon (SegamatSelatan): Mr Speaker, Sir, the lastspeaker from the P.A.P. has said thatwe from the Government backbencheshave so far not offered any constructivesuggestion. I would like to offer one, ifI may. Let me advise the P.A.P. to lookafter Singapore properly. I can assurethe Honourable Members from theP.A.P. that this time there would notbe another Tunku or the Alliancecoming to the rescue of the P.A.P. Iwould tell you why.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in this multi-racialsociety of ours, if one studies the historyof the political figures of the recent pastof this country, one cannot miss adistinguishing feature among them.That is, they tend to play a communalline, when they find that they are losingthe support of the people. Now, let megive you a few examples.

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First, let me take the late great Dato'Onn. At the beginning of his politicalcareer, he was a great friend of theChinese. Later when the UMNOpreferred the Tunku to Kato ' Onn, heleft the UMNO and formed PartyNegara, which initially claimed to benon-communal . However , when Dato'Onn realised that he had no Chinesesupport , he played the Malay line andhe became the champion of the Malays.He went everywhere and championedthe Malay cause, and Party Negarabecame the most anti-Chinese party.That resulted in the liquidation of PartyNegara.

Next, we have the Honourable Mem-ber for Tanjong, Dr Lim Chong Euand his friends so many friends, likeMr Too Joon Hing , and his cliqueswho used to champion the Alliancecause also at a time when Dr Lim wasthe president of the M.C.A. Then therewas a crisis . What happened? TheAlliance is no good , UMNO too domi-nating , Chinese interests are notprotected ! Now what has become ofDr Lim today ? The U .D.P., a so-callednational party, with only one lonelymember in the Parliament.

Then we come to Enche' Aziz Ishak,who is now in detention. Similarly, heused to be a champion of the Allianceand a friend of the Chinese . When hewas sacked, he formed the NationalConvention Party and he accused, justlike Enche ' Rahim Ishak of the P.A.P.did, that the Chinese are blood-suckers,the Malays were exploited , all the ruraldevelopment programmes did notbenefit the Malays . What happened?He was rejected by the people . That iswhy he went to the extent of gettingIndonesian help.

Now, we come to the arrogant andconceited Prime Minister of Singapore.What did he say a year or two ago? Heseems to think that we are all fools andthat he can lie to us all the time. Weall know that at the beginning theF.A.P. wanted to replace the M.C.A.and work with the UMNO. TheHonourable Mr Lee Kuan Yew,perhaps, at that time also wanted to bein the Cabinet . So, he thought that bypleasing the leaders of the UMNO' hecould succeed in his manoeuvre. He

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tried very hard to please the Tunku, toplease Tun Razak and to please DrIsmail, and at the same time condemnedthe M.C.A. I know quite a number ofspeakers have quoted what Mr LeeKuan Yew said in the past, but let memake a few others. This one is from theMalay Mail dated the 26th of March,1964, and what did Mr Lee say? Hesaid, and I quote

"Whatever could be said about the Tunku'spolicy, basically he, Tun Razak and Dr Ismailwant to keep this country harmonious." Healso said, "In the rural areas the Malayswere united under the UMNO leadership andthey should be grateful, for the leaders werepragmatic men."

Now, on the 6th of April, 1964, MrLee had this to say:

"The Tunku's contribution to our successas a harmonious and prosperous society isunique. His warm and human approach toproblems has generated confidence in thetolerance of the Government in racial andreligious matter .. . ."-and this is more important ... ."I hope that the Tunku will carry on for aslong as he can. When the time comes, I amsure Tun Razak will carry on this policy ofinter-racial harmony and co-operation whichalone will produce a prosperous and happyMalaysia."

This appeared in the Straits Times.

Mr Lee also informed us then thatthe masses in the rural areas were allright, that they were taken care of,that only the towns, the urban areas,were in a mess, " and that the M.C.A.was no good as it could not take careof the urban people. Now, let me quotehim again:

"The Government of Malaysia combiningthe strength of UMNO with its rural Malaymass base with effectiveness of the P.A.P.'spolicies in countering communist subversiveactivities in the towns, was the best answerto the challenge which communalism posesto us."

Now, we begin to seek Mr Lee's realintention. He wanted to join hands withthe UMNO and have a say in therunning of the Central Government,but he realised the grave consequencesof creating communal trouble. This iswhat he has to say:

"The situation will deteriorate to a pointwhere it is unlikely that the country can begoverned through the democratic system, andthen it is doubtful whether elections will beheld in 1969 or ever again."

Sir, these speeches were made duringthe Election campaign held last year.

Even after the General Election, afterthe P.A.P. suffered a very humiliatingdefeat, which resulted in the forfeitureof eight deposits out of nine, Mr Leestill felt that he had still a chance towork with the UMNO, and he saidthis:

"The people decided to back the Tunku inthe fight . . . . . . "

Enche' Jek Yuen Thong (Singapore):Mr Speaker, Sir, on a point of order.I would suggest that the HonourableMember read his own speech insteadof other people's speeches ! (Laughter).

Enche' Lee San Choon : What Order?Mr Speaker, Sir, time is very precious.

Mr Speaker : Will you carry on?

Enche' Lee San Choon : He can dothat in the Singapore LegislativeAssembly but not here, Sir!

Sir, after the General Election, hestill felt that he could work withthe UMNO and he had this to say :

"The people decided to back the Tunku inthe fight for Malaysia's survival. All theother problems of economic and socialchange will come back to the fold later whenIndonesian confrontation has been resolvedor contained."

Now, compare this with what he saidfew days ago: "If we must have trouble,let us have it now instead of waitingfor another five or ten years." HasIndonesian confrontation been resolvedor contained? Has it been stopped?What was his advice to the people justa year ago? Has he forgotten all thathe has said? Mr Lee says now. "Oh!The towns are prosperous, they arebetter off people, only the Malay massesin the rural areas are poor." In onlyone year, Mr Speaker, Sir} have thingschanged so quickly and so suddenly?In Mr Lee's own words, only 0.3 % ofthe population are employers. Whatabout the rest of 99.7% of the urbanpeople? What did he say a year ago?"Oh! Tunku must lead and I hope hewill lead as long as he can, and TunRazak must take over and he will dolikewise. There was no alternative."Mr Speaker, Sir, he has uttered somany sweet words about Tunku, butonly is short of telling the Tunku, "Oh!Tunku, I am very pretty, please loveme." only short of that. (Laughter).

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To Mr Lee, everything has beenchanged today . There is an alternativeto Tunku 's leadership now. "Theurban people are prosperous , they areblood suckers" in the words of Enche'Rahim Ishak of the P.A.P. "Theconfrontation can be put aside. .", MrLee tells us, "so as to push ouralternative first , hence if we musthave trouble , let us have it nowinstead of waiting for five or ten years."

Sir, all of us agree that the PrimeMinister of Singapore is a clever manand an eloquent speaker . But he is nota sincere man. He tries to impress uponus that Singapore is a paradise. Hetalks a lot about democracy, but hehas not answered the charge that therehas been no meeting of the SingaporeLegislative Assembly so far this year.He uses the most undemocraticmethods to suppress the people. Thereare hundreds of examples , but I justlike to quote one. Sir, after theGeneral Election in Singapore lastyear, there were thousands of Chineseschool teachers opposing the P.A.P'spolicy. What happened when theP.A.P. came into power? They sackedthem, hundreds of them were sacked.The papers dared not publish this,because they were suppressed. Sir, ifyou do not believe this, you can ask theMembers from the Barisan Sosialis ofSingapore this is what they told me.(Laughter). The Member from theBarisan Sosialis of Singapore said, "Wecannot air our views in Singaporebecause there is no meeting of theLegislative Assembly. We try to put itacross to the papers but the papers darenot publish it because the papers aresuppressed ." Now, Mr Lee Kuan Yewhas the cheek to come to this Houseand talk about democracy.

Sir, since we are short of time, I donot wish to waste the valuable time ofthis House , and I will go on with othermatters. I think there is not much usefor me to dwell any longer on theP.A.P. because the people all overMalaysia know now what is the P.A.P.Hence my advice to them is: Betterlook after Singapore properly, other-wise there won 't be any Tunku or theAlliance Party to come to the rescueof P.A.P.

Sir, in the Royal Speech , a largepart has been devoted to foreign affairs.Perhaps, this is because the AllianceGovernment has been over -enthusiasticin promoting the welfare of the peoplethat we have in the past been too much"inward looking" . This new change,therefore, is an encouraging one.Being an Asian nation , we must livewith the Afro-Asian world, whether welike it or not. It is also encouraging tonote that an increasing number of Afro-Asian nations are beginning toappreciate our position in connectionwith the Indonesian confrontation. TheRoyal Tour of the Arab world andthe tours made by the Deputy PrimeMinister to the African countries havecontributed to a large extent in thisrespect. I would , therefore , urge theGovernment to intensify this campaignabroad, particularly the Afro-Asiancountries.

Our independent foreign policy hasbeen exemplified by our performancein the United Nations Security Councilrecently in connection with SouthernRhodesia. The• British Government hasbeen , I regret to say, dilly-dallying onthis issue. The lame excuse that this is aninternal problem of Southern Rhodesiaand, therefore , the British Governmentshould not interfere is, I submit, noexcuse at all. Britain has the power tosuspend the constitution of SouthernRhodesia . In the interest of goodrelations and justice of mankind Britainshould be more positive in this crucialissue. I take this opportunity to urgeour beloved Prime Minister to take thelead in supporting the freedom fightersof Southern Rhodesia in the comingCommonwealth Prime Minister'sConference.

Sir, while on foreign affairs, a lothas been said about the Afro-AsianPeoples' Solidarity Conference inWinneba. Sir, I would not like to saymore to confuse the issue, if possible, buttruth must be told . It is true that manyorganisations represented in the Afro-Asian Peoples' Solidarity Conferencewere sponsored by the Communist bloc.It is also true that many organisationsrepresented the view of their owngovernments . The question of NationalCommittee of A.A.P.S.O. (Malaysia)

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was not brought up, because it was feltby the non-aligned bloc that if the issuewas brought up at the meeting, theremight be a split. Indonesia would takethe opportunity to quit the organisation.So, under such circumstances, thoseorganisations which were sponsored byeither China or Russia would back outfrom the organisation.

Dr Lim Chong Eu: On a point ofclarification. In view of the fact thatthe Honourable the Prime Minister ina press realease said that he himselfknew nothing of the Malaysian delega-tion to Winneba, I would like to knowwhether this delegation was an officialone representing Malaysia, or what itsstanding was?

Enche' Lee San Choon : It is a privateorganisation. It is the NationalCommittee of Afro-Asian Peoples'Solidarity Conference Organisationand I have said so. I was saying thatthe question of the Malaysian organisa-tion was not brought up for discussionbecause they feared that there mightbe a split. Ghana, for example, beingthe host country and which alsosupported us, have such a fear. Theywant the Conference to be a success.So, that is the case.

As regards the Barisan Sosialis, theSocialist Front and Party Rakyat, thedecision was that they would notconsider their application unless theycame back together and then put upanother application. So, I think, it isvery misleading indeed if the SocialistFront or the Barisan Sosialis or, forthat matter, the Party Rakyat were toclaim that they have been accepted bythe Organisation. They have not beenaccepted. In this respect, Sir, I regretto note that the foreign controlledpress, the Straits Times, saw fit toattack this Organisation. I know thatthe Straits Times has cause to be un-happy about this Organisation, becausewe made clear our stand we arebasically against military bases. Weappreciate the military assistancegiven to us at this juncture when weare facing confrontation, but one daywhen confrontation stops, we willadvocate for the elimination of militarybases. This has caused uneasiness or

unpleasantness for the Straits Times,because it has a duty to protect theinterests of those who give the mono-poly of advertisement to the StraitsTimes.Sir, in the Royal speech, His Majestyannounced:

"One important feature introduced lastyear in the field of education is in respect ofthe teaching of Chinese and Tamil languagesin English Medium Schools. This is inkeeping with the aim of My Government topreserve and sustain the use and study of thelanguages of the various communities in thiscountry."

As a member of the M.C.A. I am verygrateful to His Majesty, for this is inaccordance with the spirit of the M.C.A.constitution to preserve and sustainthe study and use of the Chineselanguage.

The Honourable Member from theP.M.I.P. the Mentri Besar of Kelan-tan-took strong objection to this in hisspeech delivered a few days ago. Itmust be clearly understood, once andfor all, that the M.C.A. stand by theConstitution of the country. It alsomeans that the M.C.A. has no reserva-tion in supporting the National language,but in so doing, it does not mean thatwe are not allowed to learn otherlanguages. The Honourable Memberfrom P.M.I.P. seems to tell us that theonly way to promote the Nationallanguage is to suppress the teaching ofother languages. This is not the aim ofthe Alliance Government, and neither isit in accordance with the spirit of theConstitution of the nation. Mr Speaker,Sir, as a Member of the M.C.A., I wishto inform the Honourable Member thatwe will, and all the time, stand by ourConstitution.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government hasmade its desire clear of an "economydrive". In this respect, may I point outthat we should endeavour to exploreinto every possibility of using our localproducts. For example, today, we in thiscountry have an over-production ofeggs, which could be utilised in themaking of kaya and other products.I am shocked to learn the other daythat kaya, a speciality of the Malaysiandelicacy, has to be imported in largequantity from China. This makes us alaughing stock, Sir. We grow coconuts,

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we have an over -production of eggs, wehave refine our sugar, and yet we havegot to import this special kaya fromChina ! It seems to me that no one in theMinistry of Agriculture and Co-opera-tives, or in the Ministry of Commerceand Industry , seems to have taken theinitiative in this matter. I know,Mr Speaker , Sir, that the Ministers arevery busy they have many policy-making jobs to do but surely the staffin either Ministry could have taken theinitiative . In my view, Sir, not onlyshould we produce enough kaya for ourhome consumption , but we should alsoexport kayo. I was informed thatbecause of the "dumping" policy ofChina, many of our kaya manufacturershave closed shops. This I urge theGovernment to rectify immediately.

Sir, time does not allow me to quotemany cases of a similar nature in thisdebate . However , Sir, the point I wishto say is this : It is not enough for ourplanners, our administrators and ourcivil servants to just carry out instruc-tions only ; they should use their initia-tive and keep up with the spirit ofnation-building.

Sir, there are one or two more pointsI wish to raise , and this is thatMalaysia .. . .

Mr Speaker : May I point out thatyou have already spoken for half-an-hour!

Enche' Lee San Choon : I will takeanother five minutes, Sir. There are oneor two more points I wish to raise. Sir,Malaysia is one of the few countries inthe world which is without a NationalNews Agency. A National NewsAgency is very important, and I do notwish to say more. I hope our ableMinister of Information and Broadcast-ing will take this matter up imme-diately.

Another point I wish to raise is thatit is a shame and disgrace for everyoneof us to see the Union Jack emblem onthe Malaysian Airways' planes. Thismakes people to believe that we arereally neo-colonialist. (Laughter). I alsourge our hard-working Minister ofTransport to buy our own planes, ifpossible, with our own emblem.

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Finally, Sir, on behalf of the peopleof Segamat Selatan, I wish to associatemyself with the feelings expressed in theRoyal Address that we should expressour gratitude to members of theSecurity Forces for the fine manner inwhich they have discharged their dutiesin the defence of this country. To allthose members of the Security Forceswho have fallen , let us all pray thatGod's blessings be with them. To theirfamilies let us extend our condolencesfor their irreparable loss. Thank you.

Dato ' Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir:Tuan Yang di-Pertua , saya hendak ber-chakap rengkas sahaja. Sunggoh punsaya tidak mahu berchakap panjangtentang perbahathan yang hebat tigahari tiga malam ini berkenaan dengandasar politik P.A.P. dan Perikatan,tetapi saga sa-bagai Menteri Pengang-kutan ada di-sentoh j uga . MengikutPerlembagaan Artikal 153 is-itu ber-kenaan dengan Tanah Melayu, Sabahdan Sarawak hak istimewa orangeMelayu atau pun di -bahagikan keuta-maan tentang membahagikan kebenarankereta2 sewa dan juga base, nampak-nyabagi pehak Yang Berhormat Enche' LeeKuan Yew memperkechil2kan konon-nya dia buat chontoh , kalau -lah adasa-buah kompani bas ahli sharikat-nya20 orang; barangkali ini Private LimitedCompany, boleh j adi ini di-Singapuradi-katakan-nya 2 ,000 orang yangbekerja. mi hanya bilangan yang kechildaripada orange Melayu atau punorang bumiputera dalam Malaysia iniyang bilangan-nya lebeh 4- juta yanglain, mana dapat kerja, dapat ke-untongan dan dapat mengambilbahagian saham2 dalam sharikat bas1tu.

Saya suka-lah menerangkan kapadapehak Yang Berhormat , terutama sa-kali parti P.A.P., saya tahu dalamPerlembagaan Singapura hak istimewadalam segi kenderaan tidak ada , tetapimereka mahu menolong orang Melayudari segala segi supaya mereka dapatmenarafkan orang Melayu denganorang yang lain. Tetapi saya sukahendak dengar juga, berapa-kahbilangan orang Melayu yang mempunyaitaxi , berapa -kah bilangan orang Melayuyang mempunyai pangkat2 yang tinggi2

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dan memegang jawatan yang tinggi2 di-Singapura itu. Di-Tanah Melayu dengansebab ada-nya hak istimewa ini yangtermaktub di-dalam Perlembagaan sayasuka menerangkan, sa-bagai orangMelayu yang hanya berapa tahun sahajabaharu di-j alankan tentang mengambilbahagian dalam saham, tidak kurang$6 juta daripada $30 juta modal2 dalamsharikat bas telah di-punyai oleh orangMelayu. Kita berasa sombong sa-buahsharikat bas Melayu yang terkenalSeri Jaya yang mempunyai bas lebeh100 buah dan mempunyai modalhampir2 $2 million yang 100 peratusmodal orang Melayu, dan ini jugamemberi peluang bekerja bukan sahajakapada orang Melayu bahkan banyakbangsa juga. Bagitu juga Sharikat BasNets di-Kelantan yang mempunyai jugahampir ratusan bus yang membahagikerja boleh di-katakan 99 peratusmodal-nya daripada orang Melayu juga.

Dan banyak juga dari segi kenderaan,umpama-nya mengikut had quota pen-dudok2 orang Melayu dalam tiap2 buahnegeri hari ini di-seluroh TanahMelayu, jumlah paratus 47.9 yang hariini hampir penoh quota itu. mi ber-ma`ana kalau ada 4,000 lebeh taxi yangada di-Tanah Melayu ini, orang Melayuada mempunyai tidak kurang daripada$7 juta. Modal di-dalam perniagaan2base jumlah lebeh kurang 32 jutaringgit. Tetapi saya suka bertanyakapada P.A.P. yang suka hendakmenolong orang Melayu, dan orangMelayu hari ini di-Pulau Singapuratelah mendesak saya tiap2 kali sayaturun dan bagi keterangan, kenapahak istimewa di-Tanah Melayu danbumiputera di-Sabah dan Sarawaktidak di-panjangkan ka-Singapura.Saya sedang bertanya dengan Kera-jaan P.A.P. dan saya sedang ber-unding bagaimana hendak memberipeluang kapada orange Melayu di-Singapura sedang berunding denganKerajaan P.A.P. Kerajaan Singapura.Saya harap Yang Berhormat, terutamaPerdana Menteri-nya dan lain2, supayamemberi kerjasama dengan saya supayamemberi peluang kapada orangeMelayu yang mereka katakan hendakmenolong dari segi ekonomi-nya dandari segi perniagaan supaya mereka ituakan dapat sama maju di-dalam per-

niagaan terutama-nya dari segi pengang-kutan.

Maka, dengan rengkas-nya, TuanYang di-Pertua, perkara hak istimewaorang bumiputera dari segi kenderaanterutama sa-kali di-Tanah Melayu,Sarawak dan Sabah ini, saya haraptidak-lah hanya di-perkechil2kan bahkanorang bumiputera akan mendapatbanyak peluang lagi pada masahadapan sa-kira-nya orang yang bukanbumiputera banyak lagi memberipeluang dalam segi pengangkutan yangbesar2. Mereka sedang atorkan lagiUudang2 sharikat2-nya dan akanmenerima beberapa banyak lagimodal2 dan mengambil bahagian yangtepat di-dalam sharikat2 kenderaan mi.

Sa-lain daripada itu saya sukamenjawab dengan rengkas-nya ber-kenaan dengan tegoran dari YangBerhormat Wakil Melaka Selatan ber-kenaan dengan sharikat kerjasama yangmenjalankan bas antara Merlimaudengan Sungai Rambai. Yang sa-benar-nya sharikat bas itu berkehendakkanjalan yang baharu, maka tentu-fah hakistimewa atau pun keutamaan di-berikan kapada sharikat Melayu, samaada rugi dan untong dalam daerah itutentu-lah pehak2 yang menjalankansharikat ini telah memereksa Iebehdahulu. Beliau mengatakan daripadaMerlimau hendak pergi Melaka tidakboleh pungut orang tepi2 j alan itu.Memang ada atoran yang ada sekarangini mana jalan yang lama2 yangmana sharikat2 has itu berjalandi-situ dan mereka membayar chukaiyang banyak. Maka kita tidak-lahsementara ini membenarkan banyaksharikat2 bas itu berlawan satu denganlain akhir-nya sa-kali semua rugi,semua sa-kali akan tutup. Tetapiwalau sa-kali macham itu pun, sayaakan menyiasat perkara ini keranapehak yang berkenaan belum lagi ber-temu dengan saya. Perkara ini bolehberunding dengan Sharikat China yangmenjalankan jalan antara Merlimaudengan Melaka atau pun di-antaraMuar dengan Melaka. Maka sayaminta-lah kapada Yang BerhormatWakil Melaka Selatan supaya dapatberhubong dengan pehak Sharikat itudan satu waktu dapat berunding dengansaya sendiri supaya saya dapat

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menasihat supaya tidak akan rugi danakan tutup Sharikat2 Melayu dan kitamemang hendak, bukan di-tutup danbukan rugi tetapi akan maju, mara danuntong bertambah2 lagi.

Berkenaan dengan tegoran sahabatsaya tadi, Malaysian Airways keranaapa menggunakan bendera UnionJack. mi berkenaan undang2 antarabangsa International Law. Hari iniMalaysian Airways maseh lagimenyewa eomet2 yang ada pada harimi. Maka kapal terbang jet comet inidi-punyai oleh B.O.A.C. dan di-daftar-kan di-London. Maka mengikutUndang2 Antara Bangsa, di-mana kapalterbang itu di-daftarkan maka kapalterbang itu kena-lah menggunakanbendera atau pun tanda kepunyaannegeri sana nationality, kerana kapalterbang ini terbang keliling dunia ataumenyeberang daripada sa-buah negaraka-sa-buah negara yang lain. Tetapiterima kaseh atas galakan itu, memangMalaysian Airways telah berunding danakan membeli 5 buah jet comet yangada pada hari ini dalam bulan Oktoberini. Kelima2 buah comet itu akanmenjadi kepunyaan Sharikat MalaysianAirways dan tentu-lah kita akan daftar-kan di-Kuala Lumpur, di-pejabat-nya,dan akan menggunakan benderaMalaysia. Maka ini bukan-lah kamitidak mahu membuat dan menukarbendera tetapi ini di-kehendaki mengi-kut Undang2 International. Maka sayaharap rakan2 saya Yang Berhormatsama2-lah berdo`a dan menggunakanbanyak Malaysian Airways ini supayabanyak dapat hasil-nya, supaya lekaslagi banyak kita akan membeli kapal2terbang sendiri dan mempunyai benderaMalaysia sendiri.

Enche' T. Mahima Singh (PortDickson): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would liketo support the original motion to thankHis Majesty the King for his GraciousSpeech. In the last three days, from theway the debate has gone, one wouldhave wondered whether we are debat-ing on the speech of His Majesty oron the speech of the Prime Ministerof Singapore.

Mr Speaker, Sir, in his speech, HisMajesty has stated that our veryexistence is being threatened by a

dictator, i.e., Indonesia, and that issufficient cause for the people of thiscountry to worry, because a dividedMalaysia cannot face the enemy and thefirst concern of the people of thiscountry should be that we are united athome. In this respect, the speech madeby the Honourable the Prime Ministerof Singapore did not give any indica-tion of trying to bring the people ofthis country into unity. In fact, itcreated doubts in the minds of thepeople as to whether he reallyrepresented a loyal opposition. Lookingat today's newspaper, page 1 of theStraits Times, one would read about the24 hours curfew in Johore. That is whatwe are getting from the enemy. But onthe same page we have this "Lee Givesa Hint It could be Partition." Now,that definitely is not loyal opposition.As we sit in this House, Sir, we havepaid mercenaries of the enemy who arebombing our bridges and bombing ourtowns, and on the borders of Malaysiahundreds of our youths are defendingthe cause of the country and we aregrateful to these young men who aregiving undivided loyalty that isundivided loyalty. I would appeal to theOpposition that in this hour of need,they should be contributing their ideasand their political strength, if they haveany.

Reading through His Majesty'sspeech and the appendix, this nationcan be proud that we have at the helmof our nation leaders who are reallyloyal and dedicated and with properexperience, so that in spite of this attackfrom the enemy the country is still ableto make progress. Our economy hasmade tremendous progress during thecourse of the year. New schemes havebeen started for housing the poor andthose of the low income group. In thefield of foreign affairs, our Governmenthas done whatever it can to getassistance from where we can.Naturally, when we are attacked by amore powerful foe ten times ourstrength, we have to get assistance fromabroad and we have to go to theCommonwealth for assistance and,being forced to get this assistance, forthe enemy to turn round and say thatwe are neo-colonialists because we are

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getting assistance from the Common-wealth, I think, is absurd. We realisethat with the coming of independencethe nations of Asia and Africa will getcloser and closer. With that view, ourDeputy Prime Minister and our Kinghad made trips to that part of theworld. As we sit here today, one of ourMinisters is touring those countries.All this is done to show that we areone and together and we are nearer theAfro-Asian countries.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I have one moreitem to speak on. I note that theHonourable Minister of Transport hasalready spoken, but I hope he will bearin mind what I have to say. We have alot of pilgrims who go from thiscountry to Mecca and I think theirneeds are fairly well looked after. Wehave also thousands of Malaysians ofIndian descend who make frequentvisits to India and it is very unfortunatethat these people, who are the poorestof our citizens, have sometimes to waitfor months because the only two shipsplying between Malaya and India -1believe there are only two have theirbookings months ahead. I hope theMinister of Transport will be able tofind some way out, so that these poorlabourers do not have to travel in suchcongested and unhygienic conditions.

Mr Speaker, Sir, before I sit down,I would like to tender my thanks tothose loyal young men who are helpingto defend our country, to the PoliceForce, and last but not least, I am surethe House would join me in tellingHis Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agonghow proud and how grateful we are forhis term of service to the nation.Tomorrow is the birthday of HisMajesty and I am sure you will all joinme in wishing him many happy returns.Thank you, Sir (Applause).

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul AhmadMianji (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, akhir-nya sa-telah menunggulima hari, dapat-lah saya berchakappada petang ini dan apa yang menjadisoal sekarang ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, is-lah peperangan di-antarapehak sa-belah sana cl ngan pehaksa-belah sini yang sudah berpindahdengan pehak sa-belah lagi. Jadi,

dahulu kalau tiga empat bulan dahulupeperangan ini berlaku di-antara pehakKera jaan dengan pehak PAS, terok-IahPAS ini kena godam tetapi alhamdulillah, kenal rupa-nya tuan2 siapasekarang ini musoh yang sa-benar-nyadan berpindah peperangan itu dari-pada PAS kapada Petir.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi saya,peperangan ini kita tidak champor.Kita tidak champor di-dalam per-balahan ini, dan kita tidak mahumenyalahkan sa-siapa pun. Sa-belumdaripada Yang Berhormat Lee KuanYew mengatakan orang Melayu inibukan bumiputera negeri ini, sudahada orang lain mengatakan bahawaorang Melayu ini keturunan lanun,dan banyak lagi orange lain yang telahmenghina bangsa Melayu ini, tetapimalang-nya belum ada pernah danbelum terniat oleh pehak Kerajaanhendak mengambil apa2 tindakan.

Apabila di-katakan orang Melayuini keturun an lanun bukan saya,tetapi tuan2, termasok Tuan Yang di-Pertua sendiri pun keturunan lanun,dan bagitu-lah juga Duli2 Yang MahaMulia Raja2. Jadi, kami ini semuasampai bagitu di-hinakan. Apa-kahorang Melayu ini sudah bachol? Apa-kah dalam tuboh orang Melayu inisudah tidak ada darah yang mengalirdan sekarang Yang Berhormat LeeKuan Yew mengatakan orang Melayuini bukan bumiputera; hanya orangyang tidak berbudi sahaja sanggupmengatakan bagini. Sa-puloh tahundahulu telah kami ingatkan kapadasaudara2 orang UMNO sa-pulohtahun dahulu, bukan kelmarin dansa-belum merdeka telah kami ingatkansa-kali lagi, kami bagi pehak PersatuanIslam sa-Tanah Melayu telah meng-hantar satu memorandum kapadapehak Kerajaan supaya menchatitkandalam Perlembagaan PersekutuanTanah Melayu ini bahawa Melayuada-lah menjadi hak dan menjadi tuanTanah Melayu mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi PASsaya dan kawan2 saya dan selurohpenyokong2 PAS--kami tetap bertegasdalam soal ini, dalam soal kebangsaan,dalam soal Tanah Melayu ini hakorang Melayu, walau apa tuan2 ber-kata, tetapi kami tetap tegas dalam

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soal mi . Saudara2 boleh mengatakan,kami ini perkauman , f ahaman kamiini sempit , kami ini kolot dan sa-bagai-nya , tetapi biar-lah apa yangtuan2 katakan itu tetap hilang olehangin , tetapi kami tetap memperjuang-kan chita2 bahawa Tanah Melayu inihak pertuanan orang Melayu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini ada-lahdi-harap mendapat perhatian, bukansahaja daripada Petir, malah daripadasiapa sahaja daripada M.C.A., dari-pada U.D.P., daripada S.U.P.P.,Socialist Front siapa sahaja yangmenentang hake kami , hake bangsaMelayu di-atas bumi Melayu ini,hanya satu sahaja ingatan yang dapatkami katakan , boleh jadi ada satugulongan Melayu yang dapat tuan2jadikan kuda, tetapi ada lagi satugulongan Melayu yang ta' dapat tuan2jadikan kuda.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidakmahu menerangkan sejarah bangsaMelayu di-Rumah yang mulia mi.Sa-benar-nya saudara daripada Singa-Pura, daripada P.A.P. bukan tidaktahu sejarah Melayu ini. Dia lebehkenal sejarah Melayu ini, sejarahTemasek, sejarah Rumah Temasekyang ada di-Kuala . Lumpur ini, danbagi mereka sendiri , kalau merekamahu mengakui sejarah bangsaMelayu, tidak-lah keluar perkataanbahawa Melayu ini bukan bumiputeranegeri mi . Saya bersetuju dengan apayang di-uchapkan oleh Yang Berhor-mat Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos danTalikom tidak ada di-dalam duniaini sa -buah negara yang bagini murahhati memberikan hak-nya kapadaorange lain, tidak ada. Kalau-lahdunia ini sudah berada dua ribu tahun,chari-lah di-dalam sejarah dua ributahun itu tidak pernah berlaku ada-nya sa-buah negara, satu bangsa yangmemberikan hak-nya kapada orangelain sampai bagini--tidak ada. Apalagi yang tinggal pada orange Melayusekarang? Chuba saudara2 orangeUMNO mencheritakan dalam Dewanini, apa lagi yang tinggal pada orangMelayu sa-lain daripada songkok-nya,songkok ini pun sudah di-hadiahkapada Yang di-Pertua M.C.A. Apalagi yang tinggal pada orang Melayuini? Tidak ada, tidak ada. Ini-lah

soal-nya tuan2 ini-lah soal-nya, TuanYang di-Pertua.

Jadi, kalau-lah yang tidak ada inipun mahu di-sentoh2 lagi saya tidaktahu apa yang akan berlaku, dankalau-lah Perda .na Menteri Singapuraboleh, saperti akhbar hari ini mengata-kan "Partition" Sabah , Sarawak, Singa-pura, Melaka dan Pulau Pinang sayapun boleh buat . Bagi PAS saya bolehbuat partition Kelantan , Trengganu,Kedah dan Perlis, dan biar-lah kitaini berperang selalu . Kita kumpulkanorange Melayu satu pehak, kitakumpulkan orange lain satu pehakkita perang dan biar sejarah kitamengutok kita di-kemudian hari. Ini-lah kesilapan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,satu kesilapan yang di-lakukan sayatidak menyesal dan saya tidak mahumenyalahkan orang lain, boleh jadiorange M.C.A. dan orange M.I.C.menyatakan saya ini orang Melayusaya bukan orang Melayu. Saya di-lahirkan di-Tanah Melayu ini, di-takdirkan oleh Tuhan di-lahirkandi-sini, tetapi saya bukan orangMelayu. Tiap2 sa-titek darah yangada pada tuboh saya ini bukanorang Melayu, dengan di-takdirkanoleh Tuhan bapa saya datang dari-pada India saya di-lahirkan di-bumiMelayu ini, semenjak saya di-lahirkandi-dunia, saya makan beras Melayu,saya hisap udara Melayu. NegeriMelayu ini-lah yang memberi sayasekolah dan semenjak saya pandai,saya belajar di-sekolah Melayu chari-lah sa-orang yang ta`at setia padaTanah Melayu ini sa-rupa dengansaya. Tuaa2 mengakui ta`at setiakapada Tanah Melayu, tetapi bahasaChina hendak di -daulatkan, tuan2mengaku ta`at setia pada TanahMelayu, bahasa Tamil hendak di-daulatkan. Saya tidak tabu bahasaibunda saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,dan kalau boleh, biar-lah saya matidi-Tanah Melayu ini. Fasal apa yangmasok PAS, kalau saya hendak mem-perjuangkan hak saya lebeh baiksaya masok M.I.C., tetapi kerana ta`atsetia saya pada Tanah Melayu initidak berbelah bagi, saya masok dalamPersatuan Islam sa-Tanah Melayu danmenapikan bahawa PAS ini per-kauman, kalau perkauman PAS ini,saya tidak masok PAS. Saya harap

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perkataan perkauman ini chukup-lahjangan di-timbulkan lagi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mungkinpeperangan ini bermula di-antarapehak Kerajaan dengan pehak P.A.P.,macham mana dahulu juga--dahuluPAS ini kena terok, kena tangkap,kena macham2 ta' payah-lah kitaulang lagi, kerana PAS dekat pilehanraya itu nampak kuat sadikit, tangkapdahulu dan sekarang sudah nampakP.A.P. ini kuat, ah ! ka-sana pergiberperang. Kita tahu satu tujuanPerdana Menteri Singapura YangBerhormat Perdana Menteri Singapura,dia berchita2 mahu menjadi PerdanaMenteri Malaysia. Menteri KesihatanSingapura, dia berchita2 mahu menjadiMenteri Kesihatan Malaysia siapaboleti lawan, siapa boleh menahan diadaripada menjadi Perdana MenteriMalaysia? Sedangkan dalam Per-lembagaan Malaysia ini membenarkandia menjadi Perdana Menteri Malay-sia ta' usah kita chakap, kita yangmembuat Perlembagaan itu membenar-kan orang itu menjadi Perdana Men-teri dan bila dia sudah kuat, hendaksampai ka-tingkatan jadi PerdanaMenteri, kita hendak marah, why?

Apa f asal kita hendak marah? Sebabitu PAS menentang dalam coal mi.Sa-puloh tahun dahulu kita sudahmenentang jangan memberi hak inikapada orang lain terlampau murahhati hingga bila orang kuat kita jatoh.Ada-kah kerana kita berchakap inimaka tuan2 mahu menudoh bahawaPAS ini anti tidak. Kalau kamidengan chita2 kami ini anti bangsalain, Kerajaan Amerika juga sa-buahKerajaan perkauman, kerana dia tidakmembenarkan orang kulit hitam men-jadi President. Kalau kami ini salah,salah-lah dunia ini semua. Ini yangbenda-nya, tetapi malang-nya memo-randum yang di-hantar oleh PAS itutelah di-bakul-sampahkan. Apa yangdi-chakap oleh PAS ini dengansombong dan megah-nya Menteri2 iniakan bangun, akan menjawab ah !soal PAS ini, tetapi sekarang merahmuka bila Lee Kuan Yew berchakap,why? Apa f asal kita hendak march?Bagi saya, saya tidak marah. Awakada hak jadi Perdana Menteri, sila

dudok sana. Betul-lah PAS ini tidakkuat hendak memerentah Malaysiaini, tetapi orang yang lebeh kuat, sila.Kami tidak boleh membangkang,kalau kami hendak ubah Perlembagaanini pun kami 9 orang, tidak bolehmengubah Perlembagaan itu. TuanYang di-Pertua, kerana tidak bersetujudengan j alan itu kami mempunyainiat suchi untok menjatohkan Kera-j aan Perikatan dengan sa-charaPerlembagaan saya ulangi dengansa-chara Perlembagaan. Kalau tidak-lah kerana hendak menjatohkanKerajaan Perikatan ini kami tidaktubohkan Parti PAS dan lebeh baikkami masok ka-UMNO. Apa yangdi-lakukan oleh Keraj aan itu kamitidak bersetuju dan apa yang adadalam Perlembagaan itu menjahanam-kan dan mengkhianati hak bangsaMelayu di-bumi Melayu ini dan kamimahu mengubah-nya. Ini-lah soal-nya,Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Boleh jadi adaorang UMNO bila kita berchakapmacham ini muka-nya sudah rupamarah, tetapi biar-fah. Bagi saya, TuanYang di-Pertua, ini-lah soal-nya.

Ada orang memik irkan bahawakalau PAS memerentah akan timbul-lah saperti faham Nazi German, mem-besarkan bangsa-nya tidak. Walaupun dalam chita2 dan polisl is-itumahu menulis dalam Perlembagaansharat tuan punya negeri ini bangsaMelayu, bukan-lah berma`ana oranglain itu akan di-zalimi, tetapi semuakaum mesti mengakui bahawa TanahMelayu ini tuan-nya Melayu baharu-lah tidak ada bergadoh, tidak adaMalaysian Malaysia, tidak adaChinese Malaysia, tidak ada MalayMalaysia, semua sa-kali mengakui hakpertuanan yang asal is-lah bangsaMelayu dan orang lain boleh hidupsaperti biasa, tetapi tuan-nya yang asalmesti di-tulis. Ini-lah soal-nya. Itusebab saya menggesa dan menuntutKeraj aan Persekutuan Tanah Melayuini memikirkan sa-mula dan men-chatitkan dalam Perlembagaan Per-sekutuan Tanah Melayu ini hakpertuanan itu bangsa Melayu, baharu-lah kita tidak ada gadoh. Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, ini-lah soal yang sekarangini hebat di-binchangkan dan kalausoal pergadohan ini tidak di-selesaikan

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dengan segera saya tidak tahu apayang akan berlaku.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, soya sukamenyentoh sadikit sahaja coal luarnegeri. Dalam soal ini tidak-lah sagamahu mengatakan konferantasi itumemberi rahmat, tetapi dapat-lah sayamengatakan semenjak konferantasi iniada tahu-lah Kerajaan kita ini mahupergi berjumpa dengan orange kulithitam dan sudah kenal-lah orangekulit hitam. Kalau dahulu bukan mainsombong, tetapi sekarang ini tahubahawa kuasa orange kulit hitam itubesar. Kita tengok wayang gambarsa-malam semua orang kulit hitamyang kita pergi jumpa, pada haldahulu kita sudah chakap is-itukurangkan rapat-nya kita dengannegara2 barat, negara2 British, Ameri-ka, New Zealand dan Australia danberdamping-lah diri kita ini denganorang kulit hitam kerana kita iniorang kulit hitam bukan orang barat,sa-puloh kali kita chelup dalam ayerbarat kita tidak jadi barat. Tidak usah-lah kita berlagak. Saperti pengakuanyang telah di-buat oleh Yang Berhor-mat Timbalan Perdana Menteri sang-gup yang pertama sa-kali kesanggupanyang di-beri kapada Kerajaan UnitedArab Republic is-itu sanggup me-mikirkan sa-mula penaakkan penga-kuan-nya terhadap negara Isrealnegara bangsat Yahudi yang di-dirikandengan kemahuan Amerika danBritish. Dan kita menanti, bagi sayadan bagi seluroh umat Islam negeri initengah menanti, bila-kah pengakuanyang di-buat oleh Timbalan PerdanaMenteri itu akan di-laksanakan bila-kah lagi? Sidang Algeria akan di-adakan pada bulan hadapan. YangBerhormat dari Pontian Selatan marahKerajaan P.A.P. mengambil 3 pro-fessor Yahudi mengajar di-Singapura,tetapi Kerajaan Malaysia ini akuiKerajaan Yahudi. Mana lebeh besar,kerana Jerman Barat mahu mengakuiIsreal sahaja pun sudah negara2 Arabputuskan perhubongan diplomat habissemua hendak perang, kita akuisudah? Mengakui negara Isreal itusaperti memberi tamparan kapadamuka umat Islam dan kapada mukaumat Arab. Tarek balek pengakuanitu, insha Allah kita akan dapatsokongan.

Mr Speaker: Saya suka mengingat-kan masa sudah lebeh.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gui AhmadMianji: Sadikit lagi. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pertahanan. Saya tidak ber-setu ju dan kami tetap mengatakanada-nya tentera2 axing di-bumi kitami. Orange puteh, Australia dan NewZealand bukan satu bangsa yangbodoh ka-mari coati kerana memper-tahankan orang lain. Kami tidaksetuju dengan tentera mana pun, dankami m.aseh perchaya dan yakinbahawa anak negeri ini sendiri-lahyang lebeh kaseh dan ta`at dalammempertahankan negeri-nya. Kalauorang puteh betul2 jujor hendakmenolong kita mempertahankan tanahayer ini, kita sedia dia menolongdengan sharat dia menghantar wangdan senjata, dan biar-lah anak negeriini yang kaseh-nya kapada tanah ayerini tidak tumpah, biar mereka in imempertahankan negeri ini, lain dari-pada askar upahan yang datang dari-pada negara luar. Orang puteh datangmempertahankan negeri ini dengansurohan daripada Kerajaan-nya bukandengan rasa kaseh atau sayang kapadaMalaysia. Bagitu juga Australia, NewZealand, Amerika dan dain2.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, SidangAlgeria akan di-adakan bulan hadapan.Dalam masa sa-bulan ini-lah segalabenda yang tidak betul ini mesti di-betulkan, dan kita maseh sangsi sa-juah mana-kah pengakuan negara2Asia-Afrika hendak menerima kita ka-dalam Sidang Algeria itu menjadi satutanaa tanya yang besar. Bagitu j ugasikap yang di-ambil oleh kita satukesilapan besar dengan menyokongtindakan liar Kerajaan Amerika di-Vietnam Utara. Chuba kita bertanyadan fakir hak apa-kah Amerika inibagi menchampori dan pergi bornnegeri orang. Jawab-nya senang. Kitahendak menahan kemaraan yang kitatahu tentera2 pemberontakan Vietcongini berpusat di-Vietnam Utara. Ini-lahkata Amerika, kerana tidak mem-benarkan kemaraan tentera Vietcongini me eka born. Kalau ini-lah lojikAmerika, Indonesia juga benar.T'udohan Amerika dengan tudohanIndonesia ini sama. Amerika me-nudoh datang-nya pemberontakan

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Vietcong ini daripada Vietnam Utara,sebab itu kita mesti bom. Indonesiamenudoh datang-nya subversive danneo-colonialist hendak menghanchor-kan Indonesia itu datang-nya daripadaMalaysia. Siapa yang akan menghor-mati United Nations. Siapa yang akanmenghormati negara2 besar kalaunegara Amerika, sa-buah negara besaratau gergasi, sanggup dengan per-buatan liar-nya pergi born negara2kechil dan tindakan Amerika di-Congo, di-Dominican Republic, dankita sa-buah negara kerdel menyo-kong negara besar saperti Amerika,sedang kita tahu negara India sa-buah negara Commonwealth mem-bantah; Pakistan sa-buah negaraCommonwealth membantah, apa-tahlagi negara2 Asia-Afrika yang lainsemua-nya membantah tindakan yangdi-ambil oleh Amerika itu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkaralagi yang akhir . . . . .

Mr Speaker: Saya suka hendakm.engingatkan masa yang di-hadkanlagi 15 mintt. sahaja, sekarang sudah20 minit. Tolong rengkaskan sadikit.

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Gul AhmadMianji: Ta' sampai lima mintt. TuanYang di-Pertua, satu perkara yangselalu terjadi is-itu perbuatan orangedalam negara ini dengan kelakuan yangmerosakkan persahabatan kita dengannegara luar. Satu perkara kita sekarangdengan Jepun baik tidak ada per-selisehan faham, dan Jepun denganmurah hati chuba mengikhtiarkanperdamaian di-antara Indonesia denganMalaysia. Tetapi, ada pehak dan puakyang tidak suka melihat Jepun denganMalaysia ini baik dan dengan baik-nyaitu, maka akan di-usahakan per-damaian kita dengan Indonesia, makadi-timbulkan suatu benda supayaJepun itu merasa sangsi terhadap negerimi. Timbul-nya masaalah HutangDarah. Baharu2 ini saya berpeluangbertanya Yang Berhormat PerdanaMenteri tentang tuntutan Hutang Darahini. Jawapan daripada Yang AmatBerhormat Perdana Menteri is-lahmula2 di-minta tuntutan Hutang Darahapabila Jepun sanggup hendak men-dirikan sa-buah kolej di-Pulau Pinangkalau saya tidak silap sa-bagai ganti-

rugi Hutang Darah itu, maka jawapandaripada Yang Amat Berhormat Per-dana Menteri is-lah pehak2 yangmenuntut itu menaikkan harga-nya.

Maka ini-lah jawab Tunku PerdanaMenteri, is-Iah pehak2 orang yangmenuntut menaikkan harga-nya, makaini-lah menunjokkan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu benda yang di-lakukanoleh sa-gulongan ra`ayat dalam negeriini hendak merosakkan perhubongankita dengan negara luar. Saya sukahendak menyeru kapada Yang AmatBerhormat Perdana Menteri, kalau-lahsudah nampak terang orange yangmenuntut ini hendak menaikkan hargadengan tidak tentu fasal, saya men-chadangkan berhentikan tuntutan darahmi. Dan kalau-lah hendak di-kiraorang yang mati dalam peperanganini, tidak kurang orang Kelantanprang Kelantan-lah yang terok sa-kalikerana Jepun mula2 mendarat di-Kelantan, dan hampir2 beratus2 ribupemuda2 Kelantan di-bawa ka-Burmakerana mendirikan jalan keretapi maut.Jadi, kalau yang itu kita tidak tuntut,dan kalau tutut pun sudah di-adakanpasokan bekas buroh paksa menuntut,dan jawapan daripada Kerajaan Jepunis-lah kita sudah bayar dan mast itupemerentahan kita is-lah British dantelah di-ambil wang itu di-bawa ka-England. Dan sekarang ada satu puaklagi yang meminta tuntutan darah. Sayachadangkan kapada Kerajaan, berhen-tikan tuntutan darah ini dan janganlayan semua sa-kali. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kerana masa di-beri kapadasaya, itu-lah sahaja yang dapat sayasampaikan, terima kaseh.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Bata): TuanYang di-Pertua, saya bangun untokberchakap sadikit tentang pindaan yangdi-chadangkan oleh Enche' Lee KuanYew. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Enche' LeeKuan Yew tidak peas hati oleh keranadi-dalam Titah Uchapan Seri PadukaBaginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong adaayat ini:

"Dan lagi negara kita sedang meng-hadapi juga anchaman dari dalamnegeri."

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Enche' LeeKuan Yew bertanya, Siapa-kah se-karang menjadi anchaman di-dalam

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negeri kita, dan beliau memandang ka-sini, beliau bertanya, ada-kah PASsekarang menjadi anchaman di-dalamnegeri? PAS tidak guna, kerana PAStidak berapa bey Jaya di-dalam duapilehan raya dalam tahun 1959 dantahun 1964. Dan beliau memandagka-sini dan bertanya, apa gunaSocialist Front itu, sekarang ada duaoi'ang wakil sahaja di-Rumah yangberhormat ini, mana boleh menjadianchaman . .

Dr Awang bin Hassan (Muar Sela-tan): Sir, on a point of order theHonourable Member for Batu hasalready spoken once before and hastaken nearly two hours of our time.Standing Order 35 (3) says:

"No member shall speak more than onceto any question except-

(a) in Committee; or(b) in explanation as prescribed in .

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak berchakapte:ntang . . . . . .

Mr Speaker : (To Dr A wang binHassan) The Honourable Member forBato is speaking on the amendmentand I think he has the right to makea few points clear, but I will only allowhim a limited time to do so.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Terima kaseh,Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Apabila beliaumemandang ka-sini beliau berkata,mana boleh Socialist Front menjadianchaman di-dalam negeri kita.Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pagi ini rakansaya dari.. . . .. .

Dr Awang bin Hassan : I think theHonourable Member has spoken on theamendment.

Mr Speaker: I am not aware.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker,Sir, how can I have spoken on theamendment when I spoke before thePrime Minister of Singapore. I hopethe Honourable Member for MuarSelatan will allow me to speak in peace.I am sure he can have his chance later.

Mr Speaker: The Honourable Mem-ber has spoken on the substantivemotion and not on the amendment. I

think that is the case . (To Dr TanChee Khoon) Have you spoken onthe amendment?

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : I have not, Sir.

Mr Speaker : In that case, you maycarry on, but not for too long.(Laughter).

Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, mari-lah kita lihat akibat2pilehan raya tahun 1959 dal tahun1964. Dalam pilehan raya tahun 1959Socialist Front mendapat 12.9 peratusundi. Di-dalam pilehan raya tahun1964, kami mendapat 16.1 peratusundi. mi boleh di-katakan SocialistFront makin lama makin kuat;Socialist Front bukan makin, lamamakin lemah. Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mari kita lihat partai P.P.P.,U.D.P. dan P.A.P. U.D.P. mendapat4.3 peratus, P.P.P. mendapat 3.4peratus dan P.A.P. 2 peratus danjumlah-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 9.7peratus. Bagaimana partai2 kachangputeh ini boleh menjadi anchamandalam negeri kita (ketawa).

Dr Lim Chong Lu (Tanjong): MrSpeaker, Sir, on a point of clarification.I think, is it a matter of looking back-ward or looking forward? The SocialistFront, I understand, is a progressiveparty and I am surprised that they arealways looking backward.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker,Sir,. when I spoke on Wednesday after-noon, I said that at our session lastyear the curtain went up on Act 1,Scene 1: the Prime Minister of Singa-pore was openly "making eyes" at theGovernment benches. It reminded meof the song in those days: "Ma, he ismaking eyes at me ! " (Laughter) Ipredicted, Mr Speaker, Sir, in myspeech, now that the curtain has goneup to Act II, Scene II, that the eventsthat will unfold before us will bedramatically different from those ofAct I, Scene I; and as the House hasnow seen, this "making eyes" gestureno longer prevails; you have seen wordsamounting to abuses being hurled atat each other not only from this sideto the other side but vice versa.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the present publicexchange of polemics on communal

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questions between the UMNO andthe P .A.P are inflaming public opinion.Are the rest of us in this country tosit quietly whilst communal elementsin the Alliance and the P .A.P. competefor communal support? Are we to sitby quietly whilst the peace andharmony of this country is endangeredby unscrupulous arguments? Untilrecently the wild men in the UMNOgrowled but accepting the P .A.P., asnc one has challenged them exceptthe P .P.P. However , now the P.A.P.has joined in the game. Mr Speaker,Sir, this is a deadly game of communalpolitics which can bring bloodshedand destruction to this country. Let usnot avoid open discussions of what ispublic knowledge . A forum at theUniversity of Malaya on Friday, 27thMay was cancelled because there wasan attempt to have a communaldemonstration, and I gathered thatthere were other attempts to havecommunal demonstrations in KualaLumpur last Sunday night . Let no oneundertake such an adventure , becausehe will have to face the consequences."Mob action" is no answer to parlia-mentary debates and the sooner theAlliance backbenchers realise this thebetter.

Touching on the amendment to themotion of thanks to the King's speech,let me say that I, on behalf of myparty, the Socialist Front , have timeand again protested at the erosion offundamental liberties and the marchtowards totalitarianism . Now, MrSpeaker, Sir, to my surprise I find anunaccustomed voice articulating un-familiar words about democracy. Itmust be a long time since the PrimeMinister of Singapore has talked inthe defence of democracy. As mycolleague the Member for DatoKramat has said , the Prime Ministerof Singapore will have to answermany questions to the whole of thiscountry if he wants to convince thecountry that the Malaysian SolidarityConvention is the party of the future.

As for the second part of theamendment to the motion , it is nothingnew to us in the Socialist Front. Timeand again , in the past we have statedthat the Alliance Party will practise

democracy so long as there is nodanger of their losing at the ballotbox. We have time and again statedthat should there be the slightestdanger of their losing , there will bedictatorship of the right propped upby bayonets and by the military forces.Mr Speaker , Sir, dictatorship of onesection of the community is toohorrible to contemplate. The PrimeMinister of Singapore has dwelt atlength about this and I do not wish towaste the time of this House onenlarging on it. Therefore, the SocialistFront cannot accept the sweet wordsof this amendment at its face value.The Honourable the Prime Ministerof Singapore wants to live in a glasshouse and throw stones . The amend-ment focuses on communal antagonism.The foolish speech of the HonourableMember for Kota Star Selatan mustnot be compounded by a provocativeresolution . My party has steadfastlyrefused to use communal tactics. Onlya communal bigot would say that weare communally inclined. We do notintend to start communal politics nowor ever. The communal attacks on uswill be treated with the contempt thatthey deserve . The first part of theamendment piously calls for a Malay-sian Malaysia whilst the second parttalks even more piously on democracy,which has been raped time and againin Singapore.

Mr Speaker , Sir, lastly shall I ask,what has been asked already by mycolleague the Member for DatoKramat , what has the P .A.P. got tosay about the banning of the S.U.P.P.Branch on the 24th Mile SemanggangRoad, Kuching? Does the P.A.P.support the action of the Governmentin that , it has stated that this branchis infiltrated by communists and thatit should be banned ? Or does theP.A.P. in defence of the fundamentalliberties that are threatened in thiscountry protest against the banning ofthat branch? The Prime Minister ofSingapore is a master of invectives.He is also a master of equivocation.I am a very simple minded person,Mr Speaker , Sir, and I demand asimple answer does he support ordoes he not support that action of the

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Government? Let it not be said thatthe P.A.P. is a partai atas pagan.

As such, Mr Speaker, we cannotsupport this motion and to show thatwe do not want to join in this scramblefor power I, on behalf of my party,will say that we will abstain fromvoting on this amendment.

Dr Awang bin Hassan : Mr Speaker,Sir, I rise to join in supporting themotion moved by the HonourableMember for Iota Star Selatan thank-ing His Majesty the Yang di-PertuanAgong for his Gracious Address, andI would like also to pay my humbletribute to His Majesty for his dedica-tion to duty and the able and dignifiedmanner in which he has conductedhimself in fulfilling the functions ofhis high office as Head of State. Theimpact His Majesty has made on allthe countries he visited has contributedenormously to the prestige of ouryoung nation.

I regret to find, Sir, that the Opposi-tion has found it fit to introduce anamendment to the motion, whichreads

"but regrets that the Address by HisMajesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong did notreassure the nation that Malaysia will con-tinue to progress in accord with its democraticconstitution towards a Malaysian Malaysia,but on the contrary the Address has addedto the doubts over the intentions of thepresent Alliance Government and over themeasures it will adopt when faced with theloss of majority popular support."

Mr Speaker, Sir, judging from thefreedom of criticism which has beenlengthy and unsparing from theOpposition and the free access givento all the members of the Press, bothhome and foreign, it does not appearto me that the end of parliamentarydemocracy is in sight as feared by theOpposition. That alone, Sir, is proofenough that parliamentary democracyin this country is flourishing. We onthis side of the House fully realise thatthe very essence of parliamentarydemocracy is the presence of anOpposition. There is no democracywithout an Opposition and we fullyrealise too that the presence of anOpposition poses the possibility of analternative Government brought aboutby democratic and constitutional

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methods. We are not in the leastperturbed by the formation of a GrandOpposition , a step which is as it shouldbe in our democratic set up. In fact,our Prime Minister has expressed hiswelcome to the move . I do not seeany justification for the fears whichprompted the Opposition to move thisamendment. I think almost all of ushere who were living during theJapanese military occupation expe-rienced and knew what living in fearwas like in a totalitarian and tyrannicalregime, and so we are in an advan-tageous position to compare andcontrast the conditions of living in afree democratic society and in atotalitarian and tyrannical regime.Can we honestly say to ourselves thatwe are living in fear today under theAlliance Government? Can we honestlysay to ourselves that we are living infear today under the Alliance Govern-ment , and can we also say honestlythat our sports -loving Prime Ministerwith his forever disarming smile is aruthless dictator? If anything , Sir, ourHonourable Prime Minister is muchtoo much of a democrat. Admittedly,the Alliance Government has takencertain restrictive measures like theInternal Security Act, but they are tocounter subversion and preserve demo-cracy itself , and the Opposition cannotdeny that subversion exists in thiscountry and in a dangerous form too.

As for the allegation that the funda-mental liberties are being eroded, Sir,there is absolutely no truth . We havebeen living with those liberties as partand parcel of our life. I think , Sir, theAlliance Government can look withpride on its record of preservingdemocracy in this country. Unlikesome African countries, the AllianceGovernment has not deported anyforeign correspondent however hostileand unfriendly his criticism of theGovernment is, nor has Governmentrelieved any judge of his post. Wehave preserved the freedom of thepress and the independence of thejudiciary . There is no doubt , Sir, thatthe Alliance Party will see to it thatthe flame of democracy will burn inthis country and will burn brightlytoo. I say, therefore , that there is no

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justification for this amendment, and Icall upon this House to reject it.

Now, Sir, to come to the concept ofMalaysia. The Honourable PrimeMinister of Singapore made a two-and-a-half-hour flight into the sky ofrhetorics just to fly the banner of"Malaysian Malaysia" and "Malaysiafor Malaysians". There is absolutelyno necessity for that. We have agreedto it both in theory and in practice.The Alliance Government passed theMalaysia Act and embodied it in theMalaysian Constitution, and it isfollowing a policy to put Malaysianconcept into practice. Of course, Romewas not built in a day and so we mustallow time, Sir, for this concept tosink into the minds of the people. Itmight take a decade or two for theMalaysian consciousness to be arousedto the full. This concept must betaught in the home, in the classroom,in the office, in the workshop and, infact, in every walk of life; and it isthe duty and responsibility of all ofus, Members of this House, to see thatnothing that we do will delay orarrest the growth of this Malaysianconsciousness.

At the last session of this Parlia-ment, Sir, I had the privilege ofseconding the motion thanking HisMajesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agongon his Address. The whole theme ofmy speech then was on racial harmonywhich I likened to a plant which weall in this House should nourishwith constant attention and tendercare. But, lately, Sir, utterance ofcertain politicians have given causefor concern. Talk of one race domina-ting another can hardly be calculatedto promote racial harmony. In thestruggle for power, Sir, no politicianshould gamble with racial harmony :the price is much too high and nocommunity can afford it.

Sir, I am not going to join in thebarrage against the Honourable: PrimeMinister of Singapore. In fact, ifanything, I am going to praise him.But I hope he is not worried, becauseI am not attacking him. Why I saythat, Sir, perhaps, I may just explain.We all may have heard of the fierystormy petrel of English politics, the

late Anuerin Bevan, that fieryWelshman, the debating genius, withwhom even Sir Winston Churchill wasafraid to have an argument. Well, heused to be attacked from all sides ofthe House from Opposition benchesand from the Members of his partyand he used to relish these attacks andhe used to say, "If they stop attackingme, then I am really worried." As Isaid just now, I am not going to joinin the barrage against the HonourableMr Lee Kuan Yew.

There is no denying of the fact thatthe Honourable Prime Minister ofSingapore is a brilliant and outstand-ing politician. He has mastered thecorrect political technique in havinghis own press agents, who project hisdesired image both at home andabroad. We really have no objection,nor do we see any harm at all to hisgoing on overseas trips, for example,provided of course he enlists supportand sympathy for Malaysia duringthis confrontation. Well, after all, Sir,we have read of Harold Wilson andPatrick Gordon Walker. Before theycame into power, they used to go toWashington, they used to go toMoscow, as Opposition Members, andthere is nothing wrong in that. But, ofcourse, they went there to talk oninternational issues like disarmament,Berlin crisis, but I do not think theytold Lyndon Johnson or Khruschevthat Sir Alec Home then was a cretinor an imbecile. Well it is a pity, Sir,if the Honourable Mr Lee Kuan Yewcan only give us his constructiveco-operation, and be more accommo-dating, I think he can be an enormousasset to the country as his skill andtalent can well be harnessed to thegood of the country and the people.

Mr Speaker: Will the HonourableMember speak a little louder, please?

Dr Awang bin Hassan : Yes. I amafraid that is the loudest I can speak,Sir. (Laughter).

But, unfortunately, Sir, the recordof the People's Action Party, as led byMr Lee Kuan Yew, in its struggle forpower cannot exactly be described aswholesome, and also can hardly inspireconfidence and trust in the people.

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Here, perhaps, it is better for me toquote from a Barisan Sosialis news-letter on the People's Action Party'smethods. I quote:

"With the P.A.P.'s past record of brutalrepressions against its political opponentsand its frequent use of threats and intimida-tion in order to compel non-supporters tosupport P.A.F. machinations still fresh in thepeople's mind, there cannot be anythingdemocratic about such a concept. Therefore,this P.A.P. concept should be properly called`a concept of fascist P.A.P.' "

There you are, Sir, the BarisanSosialis was talking from bitterexperience, and I do not think onecan improve on that. Well, I do notwant to speak any further on that,Sir.

Here, Sir, we have the AllianceParty, led by our Prime Minister theTunku, and on the other side we havethe People's Action Party, led by thebrilliant Mr Lee Kuan Yew. But Ihave no doubt, Sir, that if the peopleof the country are given a chance tochoose between the two, I am quitesure of the answer. The answer willbe, with all Mr Lee Kuan Yew'sbrilliant gifts the people will say to theopposition, "You can have onethousand Lee Kuan Yews with all hisbrilliance, but let us have our Tunkuhere with us." (Applause).

The Minister for Sabah Affairs andCivil Defence (Dato' Donald A. Ste-phens): Mr Speaker, Sir, yesterday Ilistened to the speech of the Honour-able Barisan Sosialis Member fromSingapore, and I was for a momentangry angry that someone who hassworn to be loyal and true to Malaysiaand to defend the Constitution shouldspeak such disloyal and false words.And yet I felt that he has served hispurpose in shewing that if democracymust not only be in existence but beclearly seen to exist, then the Honour-able Member has indeed done his bittowards this end and clearly shewedthat contrary to what he says demo-cracy is very much alive in Malaysia.

There are few countries, especiallynewly independent democracies, in theworld where words like those used bythe Barisan Sosialis Member would betolerated and yet here in this Housethe false mouthings of someone who

is clearly a puppet of the enemies . ofthe nation are not only tolerated buteven accepted in good humour !

The Honourable Enche' Chia ThyePoh spoke the now familiar propa-ganda cry of Jakarta and Peking in hisdenunciation of the Government: Weare neo-colonialists; we are alreadybreaking up, we are a fascist state andare only able to exist by virtue ofBritish and American bayonets, andso on. And in almost the same breaththe Honourable Member says that heand his party are loyal to the country !What does his Party really want?From the words used by him yesterday,it is easy to see what they wantbecause, when the Honourable Mem-ber spoke gloatingly of Malaysiabreaking up, he made known to us thesort of wishful thinking which hisparty here had all this while.

The Honourable Member spoke ofhis Party as non-communal and yetagain in the same breath he calls onthe Chinese to be vigilant and spokeof second class citizenship for them.Mr Speaker, Sir, the HonourableMember, when taking his oath, sworethat he would be loyal to Malaysiaand will protect, uphold and defendthe Constitution of Malaysia. And yethere in this House we have heard himsay "We have always opposed Malay-sia and we still oppose Malaysia."

Mr Speaker, Sir, the HonourableMember and also the HonourableMember for Batu referred to Sabahand the elections held in Sabah beforeMalaysia. The Honourable Membersspoke of self-determination for thepeople and said that the people ofSabah had not been allowed self-determination. I cannot allow suchfalsehood to go uncorrected. TheHonourable Member for Batu, whoseems to be a very methodical person,must have known that the firstelections held in Sabah before Malay-sia were completely democratic, andthat in fact everyone above twenty-oneyears of age, men and women, whohad resided for seven out of ten yearsin Sabah were given the franchise.There was no other qualification.

This is now history but the issuebefore the people of Sabah at the time

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of the election was Malaysia. Had thepeople then voted for those who wereagainst Sabah's entry into Malaysia,Sabah would not have become a partof Malaysia. The district councillorselected would have been anti-Malaysia,and they in turn would have electedto the Assembly an anti-Malaysiangroup who certainly would have keptSabah out of Malaysia. But the peoplevoted into power those who were forMalaysia, shewing that Malaysia waswhat they wanted and Malaysia wasin their best interest. They had deter-mined for themselves and they choseMalaysia.

The Honourable Member for Batucould have easily found out that about85 per cent of the electorate went tothe polls in the first elections held inSabah, and this was enough toconvince the United Nations team sentto Sabah by the U.N. Secretary-General that the people had beenallowed to determine for themselvesthe future they want for themselves,and that they had decided on Malaysia.The U.N. team also found the electionsto have been properly and democrati-cally held. I would have thought thatthe Honourable Member for Batuwould have read the U Thant Report;if he had read the Report then heshould not have tried to rehash theold Soekarno lie about the people ofNorth Borneo not having been givenself-determination.

The State and the Federal Govern-ments have had problems there havebeen disagreements but all these, Sir,I believe, are a natural consequenceof a young democratic Federation.Nothing has happened which has notbeen solved, or could not be solved,by goodwill and give and take. In fact,if there had been no disagreementsat all, we should have been much moreworried since this could have meantdomination of the State by the Centre.

In the early years of our nation, aFederation comprising as it does of14 component parts, there are bound tobe stresses and strains, changes and re-adjustments which are necessary. Noone need take delight in thinking thatthese stresses and strains will be ofsuch magnitude that they would break

Malaysia. I say this because I knowthat the people of Sabah, nay I thinkI can say the vast majority of thepeople of Malaysia, know that they areMalaysians, and come what may, theymust work together to make Malay-sia stick. (Applause). Over and overagain we have heard it said that all ofus in Malaysia should swim together orwe shall sink together. The swim is noteasy. The tide of Indonesian confronta-tion, domestic political problems, 12years of fighting the Communistsbefore Malaysia, all these make theswimming tough, but we shall make itif we swim together. Unity for anynation facing big cruel enemies is amust it is only if we allow ourselvesto be disunited that we can be broken.

Mr Speaker, Sir, we all know in ourheart of hearts that if we allowracialism to get out of hand in ourcountry, then indeed Soekarno will win.

Mr Speaker, Sir, the words"Secession" and "Partition" have beenused by the Honourable Members ofthe Opposition in this House. It is amatter of great regret to me that thesewords should have been used at all.

I will not be so bold as to speakfor other States, but I think I can takeit on myself to speak for Sabah. Thepeople of Sabah, as I said earlier, hadchosen freely to become a part ofMalaysia, knowing that the decisiononce taken, was irrevocable.(Applause) Sabah will never secede.(Applause) Sabah will never supportany move to partition Malaysia.(Applause) We have chosen; we havefreely determined to become a part ofMalaysia. We are very proud to beMalaysians and come what mayMalaysians we shall remain.

Sir, this is a beautiful country, ourmother Malaysia dari Perlis sampai-lab ka-Sabah, as it says in the Berjayasong. We who love her must do all wecan to strengthen her, make her evenmore beautiful, more prosperous. I amsure we can do it. There is no doubtabout it. But Malaysia can onlyremain strong and beautiful if all herchildren are willing to work together,stand united. We have to bepatient, to forego ambition, to be

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less suspicious of our brothers ofwhatever colour or creed; in short, wemust always put the country beforeourselves.

Racial name calling, no matter howcleverly they are disguised, willcertainly not help solve any of theproblems which we are now facing,because racial name calling merelybreeds more name calling and, if thisis allowed to go on unchecked, insteadof name calling someone may startthrowing a bottle or a brick and thiswill be followed by more bottles andmore bricks and escalation willfollow. What then? I do not think itis necessary for me to say more.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I have said enough.What I have said comes from thebottom of my heart, and it is my hopethat those who would play with racialpolitics will think again, because theywill be playing with an atom bomb.A wrong move and a switch is sparkedoff whoof that could easily be theend of all that we hold most near anddear to our hearts. Our leader, thePrime Minister, the Tunku, has shownwhat a non-communal person he is.He is a Malay and a prince, but doesany of us ever think of him as such?To us he is just the Tunku.

He is very worthy of emulation, andI would ask Members of the Opposi-tion to emulate him his big hearted-ness, his love for all Malaysianseven for the members of theOpposition. He is always fair and non-communal in outlook. To himMalaysians are Malaysians notMalays, Chinese, Indians, Ibans,Kadazans, and what have you. MrSpeaker, Sir, he is, in fact, theoriginal Malaysia Malaysian. If all ofus will follow the Tunku's example,there will be no need for all this hottalk about "Malaysian Malaysia". Wewill all be what we are Malaysians.(Applause).

Enche' Kam Woon Wah (Sitiawan):Mr Speaker, Sir, I will only take justa few minutes. Sir, we have heard theHonourable Member for Tanjong twodays ago, when he said that previouslyhe was in the Alliance but the "windof change" had begun to blow and

eventually he was blown over to theOpposition. (Laughter). I hope the"wind of change" has now stopped;otherwise he might be blown backagain.

Sir, we have heard so much aboutthe term "Malaysian Malaysia". Sir,before Malaysia was formed, all theterms and conditions were agreed uponby all the parties to the Agreement.Singapore, like a new bride, insisted onher dowry of autonomy in educationand labour. Those conditions wereagreed to by the Central Government.Finally, the marriage took place. Allwent very well, when they went forhoneymoon. Now, the honeymoon isover and the bride comes home andfinds a new life facing her. All thesweetness, all the bliss of the honey-moon period, is over. She now findsherself in a very difficult position toadjust, or readjust, so that she can facethe realities of the world. This is thestage where the P.A.P. has come to.She now finds that life is too difficultfor her to be a new wife. She nowrecalls how happy she was when shewas under the wings of her father andmother, but that is wrong. That ideashould be off her head, because onceshe had agreed to marry into Malaysiashe must take it and face the worldwhether it be for better or for worsedoes not matter. To go back to theparents is too late. That is why latelywe have heard so much howling,screaming and tearing of hair bySingapore.

Sir, Singapore is predominantly aChinese island. The way of life inSingapore is, I would say, more aChinese than a Malaysian way of life.We, Chinese, in the Mainland of thePeninsula do not feel so much thatwe are Chinese, nor do our Malaybrothers feel' that they are Malays. Wefeel that we are all Malaysians, weare together. To the Singapore Chinese,it is a new way of life to them, andthey feel it very badly becausesuddenly, as I said, they have awakenedfrom their bliss of honeymoon andthey feel, "Well, this husband of mineis not exactly what I thought him tobe." Sir, in Malaya, or in the Main-land of the Peninsula, as I said, we

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are all Malaysians. There is no thisnonsense of a "master race" over otherraces. So, let us hope that the P.A.P.will now drop that melodious songentitled "Malaysian Malaysia".

Sir, lately there is the quarrelbetween the Prime Minister of Singa-pore and the Honourable Member forJohore Tenggara. This is quite adifficult matter actually, because it islike a quarrel between a couplebecause both do not want to give way,and the earlier they stop it the betterit is for all of us in this country. Thesetwo are just like two grindstones tryingto clash with one another, but do theyrealise that when they clash they mustbe trying to crush something inbetween? And what is that something,or the people, in between? The poor,innocent and peace-loving citizens ofthis country. Sir, our social andcultural plurality in this country addscolour, personality and strength to ourown Malaysian way of life. So, let usforget the new theme "MalaysianMalaysia". We are all Malaysians.

Sir, coming to the next point, we allheard the Honourable Member forBatu, Dr Tan Chee Khoon, say twodays ago that the P.A.P. is a party ofdouble-talk, double-thinking, double-crossing, etc., and that the AllianceParty is autocratic, communalisticand all the other nonsense. Sir, whenI heard him speak in this vein, itreminds me of a story of the oldBritish colonial days in India beforethe partition of that country that wasif a Pakistani killed an Indian, it wasmanslaughter, if an Indian killed aPakistani, it was murder, but if aBritisher killed a Pakistani plus anIndian, it was preservation of lawand order (Laughter). However, even-tually the British had to give away. Ihope that will also apply to the Socia-list Front.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like totouch briefly on our foreign policy.Sir, it is good that we believe indemocracy and in our way of life,but that does not mean that our foreignpolicy cannot be a bit more flexible.We have rightly, I think, got all theassistance from the Commonwealth

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countries and now I hope our Govern-ment will go a step further and insteadof sending delegations only to theCommonwealth countries, we shouldtry even sending delegations to theCommunist countries. There is no harmin going and talking to them andexplaining to them the senseless Indo-nesian confrontation against uswhether this suggestion will meet withapproval or not I do not know.

Sir, lastly, about the learning of ournational language, I think there is aconsensus of opinion in this countrythat everybody must and should learnBahasa Kebangsaan, but I feel that themethods being used at the moment arewrong. The methods used should besuch that the people are made interest-ed in the subject and the people lovethe subject but not speeches made bya certain civil servant in the DewanBahasa as though by 1967 hell isgoing to break loose on Malaysia.

Mr Speaker : At the closing stagesof the debate, I am afraid I have toannounce to the House that twoHonourable Ministers would like tospeak first and then I think I wouldallow the Honourable Mr Lee KuanYew to make his reply.

The Minister of Information andBroadcasting (Enche' Senu bin AbdulRahman): Mr Speaker, Sir, for the lastfew days we have been hearing in thisHouse, for the first time in the historyof this country, speeches which will godown in our history as a tragedy. Asa newcomer to this House, I do feelthat, if this sort of talks should go on,the future of our democracy has indeedgot to be very bleak and gloomy.

Sir, in regard to the P.A.P., we donot like and I personally do not liketo touch on the P.A.P. I do not liketo speak of the P.A.P. ; we do notwant to give so much importance tothe P.A.P. But what the P.A.P. hasdone? The speeches by the leaders ofthe P.A.P., and the speech made bythe Honourable the Prime Minister ofSingapore, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, allthese give us concern and all these willgive the impression, in this countryand outside this country, that Malaysiais really going to pieces. I do not have

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to go into detail in this and deal withit at length, as my colleagues theMinisters and the Government back-benchers have spoken at length andthey have replied to the speeches fromthe P.A.P. bench. However, I wouldlike to describe one thing. The P.A.P.has described its policy as democraticsocialism. The P.A.P. members callthemselves democratic socialists, but Iwould like to call them not democraticsocialists, but futurists futurism(HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Hear hear!).Futurism is an attempt to escape thepresent by a leap into the darkness ofan unknown future. It involves thescrapping of traditional links with thepast. That is futurism, and that iswhat they are doing. I would like toread to the House so many things. Infact, I have many documents here, andI can show to this House what theP.A.P. Government has been doing inSingapore by abusing television, radioand everything else for the interests ofthe P.A.P. and for the interests of theGovernment of Singapore.

They talk about Malaysia forMalaysians. Here, Sir, I do not haveto repeat what has been said in respectof "Malaysia for Malaysians", becausemy colleagues in the Cabinet havealready spoken at length. However, itreminds me of one thing "Malaysiafor Malaysians" has been stressed andstressed. We must give credit to theP.A.P. leaders. They really know howto coin phrases. It reminds me of theCommunists, and I am not accusingthem of being Communists or usingCommunist tactics, but Communistsuse the same tactics. Peace they talkabout peace. Everybody is for peace.Who would go against peace? Theywould talk about "peaceful co-existence". Who would go againstpeaceful co-existence? Who would dareto go against peaceful co-existence?The same thing with Malaysia forMalaysians. They know it. Who woulddare to go against Malaysia for Malay-sians? The Communists speak aboutpeace, talk about peaceful co-existence,but what do they do? They subvert atthe same time, infiltrate, make everyattempt and every endeavour todestroy the neighbouring country orthe Government which is not to their

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liking. Is not the P.A.P. doing thesame? Honourable Members can seethat. The evidence is clear. In the lastfew days, in the last few weeks ... I amgoing to read some of the statementsmade by the Prime Minister of Singa-pore which were not mentioned in theStraits Times. This morning you haveread about the partition. He spokeabout the partition, but there isanother phrase which was reported bythe U.P.I. and which was not men-tioned, I think, in the Straits Times.Mr Lee said, when he was speaking atthe Delta constituency:

"From the ashes of that fire we arebuilding a new community, and this is aforerunner of what is possible in the rest ofSingapore and, indeed, in the rest of Malaysia,if we are prepared to be forbearing witheach other to build a Malaysian Malaysia,a Malaysia in which all Malaysians regardlessof race, language or religion, share equallyin the opportunities of life."

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: Sir, on apoint of clarification.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Sitdown!

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:You will have your time!

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: Before theHonourable Minister goes further, Iwould like to say that I was speakingat the Delta Community Centre .

HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Sit down !Sit down! !

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: As you wish !

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:Sir, the Honourable Prime Minister ofSingapore would say that he wasspeaking at the Delta constituency,and that there was a big fire, and thatthese people were to build up thecommunity. But the phrase itself wasworded in such a way . . . (Interrup-tion) Well, if I was wrong, thereporting here was wrong. However,you can see from the phrase here,"From the ashes of the fire" (Interrup-tion), that if you want to build thenation, you must destroy this nationfirst, in order to build a new one.(Laughter) The Prime Minister ofSingapore may laugh, but this is theconclusion we can draw from his

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speech, from what the P.A.P. has beendoing in the past few weeks and fewmonths.

Sir, we should speak, as I said twodays ago, with only one voice and mystatement was wrongly interpreted tomean "one idea". I did not say "oneidea", and I deny it now. I did not say"one idea", as it is wrong to say thatwe must have only one idea in thecountry. I said "one voice". What Imean by "one voice" is -I think every-body will agree with it how can wespeak with several voices in ourcountry? We must have only one voiceeither inside the country or, parti-cularly, outside the country. We musthave only one foreign policy. Once weaccept Malaysia, we agree that Malay-sia is for Malaysians; we accept theCentral Government; and the CentralGovernment should speak as the voiceof all. There should be only onevoice. But how many voices have weheard so far? Many.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I would now quotewhat Mr Lee Kuan Yew said inAustralia recently. The politics whichshould be confined to this country,which should be fought out in thiscountry, was taken to Australia, wastaken to New Zealand, was presentedto the Australians and New Zealanders,and many others. I would like toquote here, and I would like theHouse to judge whether this is theright thing to do to build a Malaysiannation. On the 28th March, 1963, inthe Sunday Telegraph, this is what MrLee Kuan Yew said:

"He demands-that means Mr Lee de-mands-`Let me say this : the Tunku gaveforty seats in the Government of Malaysiato 1.2 million people in Borneo and onlyfifteen seats to 1.8 million Chinese in Singa-pore'-this is in Australia. Now the reasonhe gives : `So many more seats to Borneowere given because he thought they were allMalays there like him, but now he has justfound out that he was wrong, that there areseveral races in Borneo and it is too late forhim to do anything about it. Lee's eyesnarrowed at the thought'-and I quoteagain-`He made a simple, stupid, naive,mistake about Borneo of all places, MyGod'--that is his expression-`My God' .."

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: Sir, on apoint of clarification.

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:Sir, let me finish !

HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Sit down !Sit down ! ! (interruption).

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: The Malay-sian Commission has issued adenial . . . . (Interruption).

Enche' Senu bin. Abdul Rahman:Sir, he can deny that later on. (Interrup-tion). The papers are here !

Mr Speaker: Will. Honourable Mem-bers stop shouting and behaving in anunparliamentary way, please?

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:I continue, Sir.

" . `No wonder there is trouble inSarawak and Sabah. So the Tunku was afool. Don't ask me why."

Those are some of Mr Lee's remarksin Australia, and there are more.

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: Read them !

Enche' Senu bin. Abdul Rahman:In fact, it will take three days to readall these things, but I will read somepart of it. Sir, there is another one ofMr Lee's statements on the 18th ofMarch. This is a comment from PeterSmart in Canberra. Sir, I just want toshow to this House how the internalpolitics of Malaysia was brought toAustralia, and how the Australianswere so much interested or had showninterest in our internal politics:

"The Central Malaysian Government,headed by Tunku Abdul Rahman, is said tobe concerned at the effects that the visit ofthe Singapore Prime Minister, Mr Lee KuanYew, may have on Australian opinion. It isconsidering sending a delegation to Australiato counter Mr Lee's energetic campaigning.Mr Lee, whose socialist People's Action Partyis the main Opposition Party in Malaysia, isbusily building a good image for himself inAustralia. He wants Australia to switch fromthe support for Tunku Abdul Rahman as aperson and the Head of the Government tothe support of the country itself. Mr Lee issounding warnings of the dangers of racialstrife, if the Malays continue to assume astronger hold over the new Federation."

This has been the theme of Mr Leesince months and it has, of course,culminated in this House and in hisspeech in Delta. I quote and I do notknow whether the Straits Times didmention it what he said in Delta:

"The Singapore Prime Minister, Mr LeeKuan Yew, has declared that Singapore had

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never agreed to Malay rule when she joinedMalaysia. What she had agreed to wasMalaysian rule. He stressed their thoughtsthat the people of Singapore were notaccustomed to the Malay rule like the peopleof Kelantan and Trengganu, and he added`Somebody is making a grave error of judg-ment if he thinks that the people agreed toMalay rule in joining Malaysia,' "--I am sureyou said it.

Why did he say all these? He knowsvery well that the Alliance Govern-ment is not a Malay Government, thatit is not Malay rule. Why is it neces-sary to make these statements? Theremust be ulterior motives. Sir, I saythat they are out to destroy. So,whether the Honourable the PrimeMinister denies it or not, but by whathe said at the Delta, when describingthe fire and the ashes, he is out todestroy this country they will destroythis country first. (AN HONOURABLEMEMBER : Traitor!) I had seen, MrSpeaker, Sir, how the CommunistParty worked in Indonesia, how theysplit the leaders, how they destroyedthe political parties, how they madethe economy of the country sufferand we can see what is Indonesiatoday. That was the work of theCommunists. I am not blaming theP.A.P., I am not accusing the P.A.P.as a Communist party, but the tacticsare, I think, not far different from thetactics of the Communists.

Sir, we live in this country. It issuch a beautiful country and, as hasbeen described by my colleague justnow from Sabah, it is such a peacefulcountry, and it is the reason why thepeople of Sabah decided to joinMalaysia. So, why is it now that somepeople, because they are so impatient,because they are so obsessed by theirown thoughts, think that they are theonly clever and intelligent ones, andnot anybody else, who can rule andgovern this country? Why? This is aunique country. You cannot bring anyidea or any philosophy into thiscountry. I must say this again to theP.A.P. Members here: You cannotbring a foreign ideology into thiscountry. This is the reason. If youinsist in bringing into and plantingforeign ideology in this country, theresult will be that there is going to bebloodshed in this country, because the

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soil, the atmosphere are not suitablefor foreign ideologies.

Enche' Lee Kuan Yew: What kindof ideology?

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:Well, socialism (Laughter) the wayyou describe those foreign ideologies.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker,Sir, on a point of clarification Doesnot Saberkas in Kedah believe insocialism?

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:It is not clarification. I won't answerthat. I must mention, Mr Speaker, Sir,that this country is unique, unique inevery sense of the word. There is nocountry in the world which you cancompare with our country Malaysia.Look at the people in this HouseMalays, Chinese, Indians, Eurasians.

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Cey-lonese !

Enche' Senu bin Abdul Rahinan:Yes, Ceylonese and Pakistanis.(Laughter) (Interruption).

AN HONOURABLE MEMBER : Mr

Speaker, Sir, isn't there a Speaker inthis House?

Mr Speaker: I am afraid there is,and I must warn Honourable Membersnot to interrupt in an unruly fashion,because I have the means at my dis-posal to deal with it.

Enche ' Senu bin Abdul Rahman:As I said, Mr Speaker, Sir, thiscountry is unique unique in everysense of the word. Therefore, anyideology, any belief, must be from thiscountry. It must originate from here.That is the only sure and secure wayfor peace and security in this country.The P.A.P. has brought in an ideologywhich is strange and foreign to thiscountry. And I would like to remindthe P.A.P. Members again that theyare going to destroy this country.(Laughter}. They are laughing, they aresmiling, Mr Speaker, Sir, but by theway they are doing things now theyare going to destroy this country.

Mr Speaker, Sir, there are manydialecticians in the P.A.P. They believein the dialectical idealism of heckling,

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in the dialectical mechanism inthought, c f Marx, in everything inthesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. And allthese theoreticians, do they think thatthe 11 million Malaysians are guineapigs? We are not guinea pigs, who aregoing to be destroyed by their theories,by their dialetics. What I want to tellthem is that we are not guinea pigsMalaysians are not guinea pigs tobe destroyed, to be tested. In yourambitions, do not attempt to makeMalaysians guinea pigs. You can dowhat you like, but do not destroyMalaysia and the Malaysians. Sir,I want to repeat again that thiscountry is unique remember that. Noideology or foreign ideology can savethis country. You must build up fromthe soil in this country. As Malaysians,we must get together, we must worktogether. This is our country. Wemust build up our country for ourposterity, for our future generations.

I am sure that the statement of thePrime Minister of Singapore thismorning about partition will bereceived with jubilation in Indonesia.I am sure Subandrio will be sayingtonight, "Well, look at Malaysia.Malaysia is going to pieces." He willsay to the Indonesian people that thePrime Minister of Singapore is talkingabout partition now. Is that what hewants really? When our country isfacing an external threat, when we arefighting for survival, he talks of Malayrule, he talks of partition, he talksabout this and that. I would like tomake this appeal to the leaders of thePeople's Action Party: at this moment,we have got to concentrate on facingthe external threat; we have got toface the external enemy, and we havegot to be united. Only unity is ourstrength. (Applause).

The Minister of Lands and Minesand Acting Minister of Labour (Enche'Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub): MrSpeaker, Sir, I would like to comestraight to the point. First, let me dealwith the speeches made by theHonourable Member for Batu. Healleges that the Alliance Governmentis anti-labour and has chosen to usethe mailed fist in its dealing with itsemployees. Sir, I need only say that

the record behind the Alliance Govern-ment, as far as the encouragement offree trade unions is concerned, speaksvolumes to refute the allegation of theHonourable Member. The AllianceGovernment, Mr Speaker, Sir, hasnever attempted to stifle the growth offree democratic trade unions in thiscountry.

The Honourable Member has rightlyquoted the Address of His Majesty theYang di-Pertuan Agong in 1961 show-ing clearly our belief in this connec-tion. The Honourable Prime Ministerhas time and again reiterated the standof the Alliance Party in this respect.Has the Alliance Part' ever attemptedto gain control of any trade union inthis country? No, we have not. Why?Because we know that trade unionsmust protect, fight and work for theworkers. Trade unions should notbecome the tools of any organisationfor the organisation's interest.

The Honourable Member quoted"work-to-rule" and "go-slow" cam-paigns, which he alleges have beenbanned by the Government, togetherwith the recent promulgation of thestrike regulations and the essentialarbitration regulations, as a clearindication that the Alliance Govern-ment is anti-labour, that we are takingaway the legitimate rights of theworkers of this country. However, Sir,in connection with "work-to-rule" and"go-slow" and other irritation strikes,I have quoted a passage from theTrade Union Handbook isssued by theInternational Confederation of FreeTrade Unions which I would like toread again for the benefit of theHonourable Member here. Passage134 says-

"Slow-down strikes are resorted to attimes, although they are strictly question-able."

The Honourable Member forBungsar argued that that refers to theabuse of those rights. Mr Speaker, Sir,it is in no way mentioned in thatHandbook that that opinion in thatTrade Union Handbook refers specifi-cally to the abuse of strikes. MrSpeaker, Sir, the Honourable Memberquoted

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Enche' C.. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar):On a point of clarification -I hope theHonourable acting Minister of Labouris not suggesting that the InternationalConfederation of Free Trade Unions isagainst strikes?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub:Not at all. He was coming in when Iwas talking about "go-slow" and thisother form of "irritation" strike. I amnot suggesting that the I.C.F.T.U. isagainst strikes, nor does the AllianceGovernment for that matter.

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : On a point ofclarification If the Government isnot against strikes, why has it pro-mulgated those two Emergencyregulations?

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub:I am coming to that, Mr Speaker, Sir.He has quoted several passages whichhe alleges were statements made bythe Honourable Minister of Labourthe substantive Minister of Labourand I must say that those passagesquoted were taken completely out ofcontext; for example, he quoted thatthe Minister of Labour said that tradeunions have tried to disrupt themachinery of the Government andendanger the economy and stability ofthe nation. I have here a copy of thespeech made by the HonourableMinister of Labour. He said "certainunions". He did not say that "all thetrade unions" are behaving as allegedin this country, and, in fact, theHonourable Member has convenientlyleft out one very important statementby the Honourable Minister of Labour,which reads thus

"Let me make it quite clear that there areamongst the working population, both in theGovernment sector as well as in the privatesector, people whose loyalty is completelyvindicated in every way, people who put theoverall interest of the nation above theirpersonal interests, people who are preparedto play their part , including personal sacri-fices, so long as the economy, stability andsecurity of the country can be attained andindeed advanced."

I need not refer to other passagesquoted by the Honourable Member. Itis sufficient to say that he has learneda very expert way of twisting facts.

Mr Speaker, Sir, these two regula-tions-the prohibition of strikes andthe Essential Services are measuresto deal with the situation prevailing inour country; and I need hardly remindthe House that the emergency is goingon and we are facing an externalthreat.

Some time this month, before thepromulgation of the prohibition ofstrike regulations, the Fire Servicesserved notice to go on strike, theRailway Services, the Division IV, andthe N.I.M.G. threatened to resortto strike action at a time whenwe have to exert all our efforts tofight a very powerful external enemy.The Government was left with noalternative but to promulgate thoseregulations. I need not in fact go toany other explanation, because theexplanation has been given by theHonourable Minister of Labour on the13th of this month.

Sir, as I said just now, the AllianceGovernment believes that the workershave the right to go on strike. It isclearly stated, it is recognised, in ourrelevant Ordinances in this country.The promulgation of the Emergencyregulations in question do not meanthat we completely deny, as from thedate the regulations came into force,the right of all workers to resort tostrike. Even in the Government sector,which we must distinguish from theprivate sector, we have only prohibitedstrikes in respect of certain EssentialServices. The Fire Services, forexample, can we afford to have themen in the Fire Services to go onstrike? In the Telecommunications,Postal Services, and other EssentialServices, can we afford to have mento go on strike, when they must berunning at the highest pitch at thistime of national emergency?

In the private sector, Sir, it is clearlyshown in the Essential ServicesRegulations of 1965 that we have notbanned strikes completely. We haveadopted a method to ensure thatdisputes between the employees andthe employers should be settled asexpeditiously as possible. In fact, it is

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stated in these Regulations-Regula-tion 5 reads as follows

"An employer shall not declare or takepart in a lockout and a workman shall nottake part in a strike that proscribes industrialaction in connection with a trade dispute inany Essential Services , as defined in theRegulations , unless the dispute has beenreported to the Minister of Labour inaccordance with the provisions of Regulation4, and 21 days have elapsed since the dateof the report and the dispute has not duringthat time been referred by the Minister ofLabour for settlement in accordance with theprovisions of those Regulations."

Sir, a period of twenty -one days onlyis given to the Minister of Labour totry his very best to get settlement ofa dispute . If he does not do that, thenthe workers can go on strike in theprivate sector in connection with theEssential Services as defined in thoseRegulations.

I maintain , Sir, that these regulationsdo not contravene the Geneva Conven-tions . Convention 98, which deals withthe application of the principles of theright to organise and to bargaincollectively , says, among other things

"Machinery appropriate to national condi-tions shall be established , where necessary,for the purpose to ensuring respect for theright to organise as defined in the precedingArticle."

Mr Speaker , Sir, it says "machineryappropriate to national conditions".And Article 6 says

"This Convention does not deal with theposition of public servants engaged in theadministration of the State , nor shall it beconstrued as prejudicing their rights or statusin any way."

Now, before this period of Emergency,before we had all these threats toresort to strike , what did our PrimeMinister say? He said, "Let us talk,let us try to settle the claims, let usnot threaten to take any industrialactions which might jeopardise thesecurity of our country .", but certainI am not saying all union leadersignored that advice and, as I havesaid just now , we have had no alter-native but to promulgate, muchreluctantly , those Regulations.

Sir, it is still not conclusivelysettled whether or not civil servantsshould have the right to strike. It isstated so in the International Labour

Office Workers Educational Manual.Among other things , it says

"Then there is the question of whethercivil servants have the right to strike. Insome countries they have not, in others theymay strike , but because of their long termengagements and conditions of service theywould commit a breach of contract by goingon strike and would run the risk of loss ofseniority or even dismissal."

Be that as it may, Sir, before thepromulgation of these Regulations werecognised the civil servants ' right togo on strike . It they wanted to go onstrike, all they needed to do was toserve the proper notice and they couldgo on strike.

Mr Speaker , Sir, there are manyother things in connection with labourto which I would like to reply . Unfor-tunately, however, time is rather shortand I need only say this in respect ofthe observation made by the Honour-able Dr Toh Chin Chye in connectionwith the labour legislation. Dr Tohsaid , and I quote, "Was this, MrSpeaker , Sir, a matter of life and deathfor the country that the Minister ofLabour could not wait for Parliamentto meet , or was it not a growingtendency for the Government to avoidParliament and to fall into the habitsof guided democracy?" Sir, when youdeal with an Emergency, you have gotto act expeditiously , quickly, to dealwith that situation right away. Youcannot wait for two weeks , three weeksor four weeks . As to the allegationthat we are falling into the habits ofguided democracy , I think, the cap fitsthe P .A.P. more than the AllianceParty (Applause).

Sir, coming to the S.U.P.P. fromSarawak congratulations to thatParty , which now appears to be dis-carding their old comrades , the FrontSosialis and the Barisan Sosialis. If Iremember correctly , last year theHonourable Enche' Lee Kuan Yewspoke something about the S.U.P.P. inSarawak , likening the S .U.P.P. inSarawak to the Barisan Sosialis andthe Front Sosialis. Now, it appears thatthe S .U.P.P. has found a new comrade.The allegation by the S.U.P.P . is thatthey crisis in the Sarawak Alliance wasall engineered by myself and by

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Enche' Taib Mahmud (ONE HONOUR-ABLE MEMBER : UMNO). Be patient, Iwill come to that and manipulatedby UMNO, forgetting the fact, Sir,that when the crisis started on the 11thI was still flying from Hongkong backto Kuala Lumpur, after visiting Koreaand Japan accompanying the Honour-able the Prime Minister. I can producedocuments to show, if need be in thefuture, that neither myself, nor Enche'Taib, nor UMNO initiated the crisis.Let me read the Memorandum fromParty Pesaka, Sarawak, to the Honour-able Chief Minister of Sarawak inconnection with the Land Bills. TheMemorandum is dated 8th April,cancelling a former Memorandumdated 23rd March, 1965, and is signedby the Honourable Dato' TemenggongJugah anak Barieng as Chairman ofParty Pesaka. It says here, amongother things, referring to the Land(Native Dealings) Bill

"For the above reasons, it is submitted thatthe Bill must be scrapped."

Again, it says, in connection with thenative area land

"It is submitted that land classified underthis category shall be absolutely inalienableto non-natives. It is alienable as betweennatives themselves, as in the present position.Only natives may hold title to and occupythis class of land, which is only 2,600 acres.Every assistance must be given to the nativesthemselves to work on this land through theintroduction of the F.L.D.A. and the RIDAschemes."

Then Dato' Temenggong Jugah says inhis Memorandum, paragraph 6

"It is vital that the protection legitimatelydue to the natives of Sarawak and enshrinedin the existing Land Code must not bewhittled down in the name of developmentand that their rights in land must bepreserved at all costs."

He goes further to say"It is appreciated there is an urgent need

of landless people, of whom a good numberare Sarawakians and Malaysians of Chineseorigin, for more land and it is acknowledgedthat generally they make the best possibleuse of it, but the native must be preventedfrom disposing of his land until he has beenbetter educated in how to use it properly.

This Memorandum supersedes the onesubmitted to you on 23rd March, 1965."

I say, Mr Speaker, Sir, it is an insultto the intelligence of the Pesakaleaders in Sarawak and other politicalleaders in Sarawak, the Alliance

leaders in Sarawak, to say that theycould be manipulated anyhow by theUMNO in Kuala Lumpur.

Some of the observations made bythe Honourable Member from theS.U.P.P. concerning my joining theUMNO here is no concern, in fact, ofthis Dewan, but I am proud to saythat I am a member of the UMNOand have been elected to the MajlisKerja Tertinggi of the UMNO, andam at the same time a member of theBerj asa. But if there is a branch of theBerjasa here, I do not have to be amember of the UMNO; and if there isa branch of the UMNO in Sarawak, Ido not have to be a member of the Ber-jasa or Berjasa might be closed downor vice versa. The two Parties have thesame approach. The S.U.P.P. chaps, asproved by the closing down of the24th Mile Branch, Simanggang RoadWen Meng Chong, Poh Choo Man andthe others appear outwardly to bedemocrats but at the same time three-quarters of their body, if not 99.9%,are with the C.C.O. in Sarawak.

Mr Speaker: Order, order! May Ipoint out to the Minister that the timeis up.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub:I think, Sir, because the time is up, Ineed only say that and thank you verymuch (Applause).

ADJOURNMENTDato ' Dr Ismail : Sir, I beg to movethat this House do now adjourn.

Enche' Abdul-Rahman bin Ya`kub:Sir, I beg to second the motion.

ADJOURNMENT SPEECHES

PEMBERIAN BANTUAN KAPADARA'AYAT MALAYSIA UNTOKPERUSAHAAN DI-WILAYAH2

BORNEO

Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan(Sarawak): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,banyak penerangan telah di-keluarkandi-dalam surat2 khabar di-Malaysiadan Sarawak berhubong dengan tujuanKerajaan Pusat memberi bantuankapada ra`ayat Malaysia, khas-nya

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orange Ash, mengambil bahagian di-dalam perusahaan agent2 sapertiRIDA dan F.L.D.A. dan ada-lahdi-perchayai melebarkan ranchanganmereka ka-wilayah2 Borneo yangboleh mendatangkan kemajuan di-wilayah2 itu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, malang-nyabantuan2 yang di-beri sa-takat ininampak-nya ada-lah terhad kapadakumpulan orange yang terpileh khassahaja dan tidak sama sa-kali men-datangkan faedah kapada umum.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, baharu2 iniKerajaan Sarawak telah membagi arealdan kawasan2 hutan yang besar kapadaorange tertentu dan di-dalam daerahdaripada mana saya, datang, maka satuarea kawasan besar telah di-bagikapada sa-bilangan ketua2 kaum sahajadan sa-bilangan besar ra`ayat yangtinggal berhampiran. Area kawasanbesar ini tidak di-ambil perlu kira-nyatujuan membantu ra`ayat bumiputeraitu berbentok satu kelas baharusahaja, meninggi dan mementingkankeperluan-nya sendiri.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchayais hanya-lah menimbulkan perasaantidak puas hati di-kalangan ra`ayat,kerana tidak ada jalan di-dalam sa-barang apa pun yang boleh menolongekonomi masharakat, atau mening-gikan taraf hidup mereka.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh yangdemikian, saya bersunggoh2 memintaKerajaan Pusat bila mana meranchang-kan sa-barang sekim untok faedahra`ayat bumiputera, hendak-lah is-nyabenar2 memberi bantuan kapadara`ayat jelata, dan bukan satu sekimyang hanya membesarkan hake utamakapada sa-bilangan orange yangtertentu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya inginmenerangkan di-dalam Dewan ini,fasal banyak ra`ayat. bumiputera di-tempat kami tidak pugs hati tentanghale hutan yang di-kuasai oleh merekayang di-ambil memakai tendar olehJawatan-kuasa perentah Sarawak, danhutan2 itu di-beri kapada siapa2 yangada modal besar, pada hal bumi-putera Sarawak perchaya yang hutan2

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itu is-lah hake mereka yang bolehmendatangkan kemajuan ka-arahhidup mereka di-masa hadapan.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sendiriada bertanya dengan pehak yangberkuasa mengenai perkara ini danjawapan yang di-beri saperti bagini:

Hutan2 semua ada-lah kepunyaan Kerajaandan tidak sa-orang pun ada kuasa atas-nya.

Kalau-lah ini benar, Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, saperti Malaysia ini,kemerdekaan untok ketua2 sahaja danbukan-lah kemerdekaan bumiputerayang ada hake di-Malaysia ini, makadari jawapan pehak yang berkuasaMalaysia di-Sarawak yang saperti itu.Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jadi ra`ayatjelata dengan dukachita tentu sahajatidak puas hati dengan chara2 memakaitendar di-tempat tanah ayer merekasendiri, is-itu tempat turun-menurundatok nenek mereka is-lah hutan2 yangdi-beri oleh Tuhan untok meninggikantaraf hidup pendudok2 di-kawasan itu.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya denganbesar harapan Perdana Menteri, TunkuAbdul Rahman memberi ubat, keranapenyakit2 yang saperti saya telahkatakan di-sini tadi. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana sebab orange yangkena sakit itu telah dengan suarabesar2an, jadi-nya yang berteriak itudi-tudoh oleh pehak yang berkuasakominis, tetapi penyakit2 itu tidak di-ubat dengan chara2 yang menyenang-kan hati mereka. Perchaya-lah, TuanYang di-Pertua, bila orange inimendapat tudohan bagitu, pada halmereka ada-lah benar2 bukan kominis,maka tentu sahaja mereka jadi panashati, bila panas hati, makin kuat, jadiorange ini tentu boleh buat macham2perkara burok yang akhir dengankachau-bilau di-Malaysia mi. Kalauorange ini di-tangkap, di-penjarakan,atau di-bunoh, kerana melawanundang2 keselamatan itu juga, sayaperchaya bukan menguntongkanMalaysia, tetapi ada-lah merugikan dannama baik Malaysia pun jadi gelap.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya . . .

Mr Speaker: Masa sudah lampausudah lebeh! Tolong pendekkansadikit!

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Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan:Sadikit, tidak panjang. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berkata demikian is-lahsa-belum Malaysia kita itu hari ter jadiatau di-tubohkan, tidak ada di-tanahayer kami berlaku perkara baginihingga di-kenal oleh dunia yangSarawak is-lah satu negeri yang amandan sentosa, tetapi bila masok Malaysiasudah timbul bermacham2 soalan danperkara2.

Buat menutup chakapan saya inisaya menyeru Keraj aan Federal, demikepentingan ra`ayat jelata, supayamenyiasat perkara yang saya kemuka-kan ini sa-dalam2-nya supaya dapatkita aman, damai tidak di-mulutsahaja, tetapi pada kehidupan ra`ayatjelata seluroh Malaysia. Tuan Yangdi-Pertua, bukan sa-takat mulut sahaja.Ini-lah chakap kami sa-belumMalaysia, maka ini kertas sudahgarisan merah di-beri oleh Forest danyang tendar ini pun garisan juga danpakai perentah Malaysia menutupkertas yang garisan merah yang di-beri oleh Section Forest Officer, akantetapi dalam kuasa Malaysia diabuat pindaan bagini benda ini diapakai tendar tutup permintaan kamidan satu pindaan lagi dia tutup. Sayalawan masok tendar sama orang yangkaya maka many kami dapat di-buatoleh pehak yang berkuasa Malaysiadi-Sarawak mi.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya beritahubukan di-mulut sahaja is orang dariKorea yang dapat area kayu2 danbumiputera tengok dengan mata sahaj a,dan luas-nya area itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 74,750 ekar. Ini orang pehakberkuasa menj aga orang kaya, dantidak peduli orang miskin. Perkaraini sarpai ka-Dewan Ra`ayat, TuanYang di-Pertua, kerana perkaraini tidak dapat di-bawa di-Kuchingoleh sebab dia juga suroh meeting. Diachuma ator dia sendiri dan mintasembahyang, maka dia juga hantu.Maka oleh kerana hantu ini-lah yangmenutup kemajuan ra`ayat bumiputeradan kerana hantu ini juga ra`ayatbumiputera ada mendapat pergadohankapada yang pekerjaan Malaysia danhantu ini juga yang menudoh sertamembuat perkiraan ra`ayat bumiputera.

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Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya perchayajikalau hantu ini tidak di-sembahyangdengan sa-benar2-nya saya perchayara`ayat bumiputera jadi rosak di-Malaysia dan nama baik Malaysia initidak di-perchayai oleh ra`ayat bumi-putera seluroh negeri Borneo,.Sarawak dan hantu ini di-Borneo,Sarawak.

The Assistant Minister of Commerceand Industry (Twin Haji Abdul Khalidbin Awang Osman): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Ahli Yang Berhormat itu telahberchakap panjang lebar di-dalamuchapan penanggohan-nya berkenaandengan soalan perusahaan kayu. Dalamperkara ini saya sukachita mengatakansoalan kayu dan juga soalan2 yang ber-kenaan dengan Pembahagian hutan,lesen dan permit is-lab kuasa Negerimasing2, dan saya dengan segalahormat-nya menasihatkan kapadaYang Berhormat itu supaya merayuperkara ini kapada Kerajaan-nyasendiri. Walau pun bagitu, saya sukamenegaskan bahawa dasar kerajaanPerikatan is-lah hendak meninggikantaraf hidup ra`ayat pada seluroh-nyamaka sebab itu-lah Kerajaan telahmelancharkan Ranchangan Pembangu-nan Luar Bandar dan Alhamdulillahranchangan ini telah menchapai keja-yaan yang gemilang. Bagitu juga-lahKerajaan harap dengan ada-nya Malay-sia, Ranchangan Pembangunan LuarBandar dapat-lah di-sampaikan jugakapada bumiputera di-Sarawak danSabah, dengan harapan pada satu masaakan datang ra`ayat dan bumiputeraSabah dan Sarawak khas-nya akanhidup bahagia saperti pendudok2 di-dalam tanah besar Malaya . . . . .

Enche' Tama Weng Tinggang Wan:Rises.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid bin AwangOsman: . . . . . . . memang-lah dasarKeraj aan hendak memberi segalapertolongan kapada ra`ayat Malaysiasupaya maju di-dalam lapangan inidan pehak Kerajaan telah pun men-jadikan dasar bagi membantu anakbumiputera supaya maju di-dalamperusahaan dan sebab itu-lah Kera-jaan Perikatan akan mengadakan satukonggeres yang di-namakan KonggeresEkonomi Bumiputera pada 5, 6 dan

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7hb. Jun tahun mi. Kerajaan harapramai anak2 bumiputera dari Sarawakdan Sabah akan mengambil bahagiandi-dalam konggeres itu supaya dapat-lah kita bersama2 membinchangkansoalan yang rumit ini supaya dengankerjasama yang di-beri kapada Kera-jaan Persekutuan dan juga Kerajaan2Sarawak dan Sabah dapat -lah kitabersama2 memajukan tugas yang sangatrumit mi. Dalam pada itu saya sukamenerangkan kapada Yang Berhormatbahawa Kerajaan Persekutuan telahpun menubohkan pejabat2 RIDA danF.L.D.A. di-Jesselton dan Kuching,usaha2 sedang di-jalankan untok men-jalankan kewajipan kedua2 jabatan ini,dan saya perchaya manakala kedua2pejabat ini menjalankan usaha2-nyadapat-lah pejabat2 ini, bagi pehakKerajaan, menyempurnakan kehendak2bumiputera di-Sarawak dan Sabah ituSekian-lah sahaja. Terima kaseh.

H.S.C. EXAMINATION PRIVATECANDIDATES

Dr Tan Chee Khoon : Mr Speaker, Sir,I rise to speak on the question of thetaking of H.S.C. Examination byprivate candidates. The recent H.S.C.Examination ruling, which requirescandidates to follow a two-year post-school certificate course organised bythe Ministry before they are permittedto take the full examination, is plainlystupid and senseless. The restrictionhas aroused so much controversy andmisgivings that even the Straits Timeshas thought it fit to brand the moveas a senseless ban. In its editorial onthe 19th March, 1965 it says:

"It is difficult not to suspect that the banhas been imposed because the catering forprivate students involves more administrativetrouble than the Ministry feels it is worth.A case of public interest is being sacrificedto bureaucratic convenience.

Recent statements placing responsibilityfor the new regulation on the CambridgeExamination Syndicate are hard to credit.The Syndicate does not usually take this kindof initiative and certainly does not have thelast word."

The press statement made by theMinister of Education on the 26thMarch, 1965 obliquely confirms theaccuracy of this observation. It isapparent that the CambridgeAuthority has conferred on the

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Ministry of Education the power tomake the necessary arrangement.

The revised list of entry requirementsfor the said Examination and an-nounced by the Minister of Educationon 26th. March, 1965 does not fullymeet the needs of those who wish toimprove themselves by sheer industryand sacrifice. The so-called revisedruling has only added more restrictionson prospective candidates and itcompletely bars private candidates whodo not follow fall within the fourcategories, as listed by the Ministry,from sitting the full H.S.C. Examina-tion. The requirement of having toundergo a full two-year course, in oneform or another, still remains. Thiswould exclude all those who could notafford the expensive correspondancecourses and those who are unable tosecure a place in the Sixth Formclasses.

Further the Government has notprovi led adequate facilities to cater forthe needs of those who are ipso factoqualified to sit for the Examination. Inparticular, with the increase in thenumber of school leavers and thediminishing opportunities in employ-ment, the need for Sixth Form classesis becoming more and more pressing;but the Government has been slow inits effort to provide more of theseclasses.

If the Government wants to imposethis unreasonable restriction, then Iwould suggest that the alternative is toprovide more classes in the major townsthroughout the country; otherwise itwould mean closing the only avenueavailable to those who seek self-development.

For the time being, I hope theMinister would reconsider his decisionand relax the restriction so thatmature and industrious candidates who,because they cannot attend furthereducation classes or take up expensivecorrespondence courses, are notprevented from taking the full H.S.C.Examination. The removal of thisrestriction would prove a boost tomany candidates in this category.

Mr Speaker, Sir, I do know that theMinister of Education is very

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sympathetic and fully realises the plightof those whom I would call the under-dogs, and no doubt in his reply I amsure he will give full consideration forthe improvement of these underdogs.

Thank you.

The Minister of Education (Enche'Mohamed Khir Johari): Mr Speaker,Sir, I must say that I am surprisedthat the Honourable Member hasbrought up this matter again evenbefore this almost empty House.

Sir, anyone having read my pressstatement, which was issued on the26th March this year, would haverealised that, except in one instance,every opportunity is given to privatecandidates to sit for the full H.S.C.Examination. The one instance whereprivate candidates are denied concernthose who are not considered bonafide under the Local Examination Syn-dicate regulations which require candi-dates sitting for the H.S.C. Examinationfor the first time and on a full certificatebasis to have undergone a two-yearapproved post-school certificate course.This, I must point out to theHonourable Member, is not a regula-tion laid down by the Ministry butit is laid down by the ExaminationAuthority concerned. I can, however,assure the Honourable Member thatthis is down purely in the interest ofraising the examination standard. Ishould further explain that even those

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non-bona fide candidates may still sitfor their full H.S.C. Examination if theyprove themselves qualified by firstsitting for part of the H.S.C. Examina-tion. If, by doing so, they obtain suchpasses totalling only four units, theymay sit for the full H.S.C. Examinationeven though they have not undertakenany correspondence courses.

I am sure the Honourable Memberwill agree with me that the assumptiongenerally made by the public thatprivate candidates are banned fromsitting for the H.S.C. Examination isa total misconception.

Finally, Sir, I would like to assurethe Honourable Member, and also thecountry at large, that I have everysympathy with those who aspire to sitfor the H.S.C. Examination. I myselfdid not have the opportunity when Iwas young, but I can assure theHonourable Member that I would doeverything in my power to see thatevery person who aspires to sit for theH.S.C. Examination should be givenevery opportunity and facility to doso, and I shall go out, even out of myway, to do what I can in order toenable this to be achieved. Thankyou, Sir.

Mr Speaker: The House is nowadjourned till 10.00 a.m. on Thursday,3rd June, 1965.

Adjourned at 9.27 pin.

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