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TRANSCRIPTPublic Comment

Meeting 4, Session 10March 1, 2011Washington, D.C.


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DR. GUTMANN:

And to maximize the time for anybody in the audience to make acomment, raise a question, we are going to not break and move right intopublic comments. And so there is a roving microphone. Somebody Who has the microphone? Can I see who has the microphone? Okay. So

people dont have to crawl over each other.

And if you would keep your comments brief, I would be veryappreciative. Because if you dont, Im afraid I have to make time forothers. Just give us one moment, please.

We have been timing, keeping all of our speakers to time, too. And that isthe apparatus.

MS. BONHAM:

If I can clarify. We had a number of people who asked to speak and wehad a public sign-in at the front table as we communicated throughoutthe past few weeks with people who asked to speak.

Consequently to all of you wonderful people in line, I am sorry to say Iam going to go in order of this list. So everybody could actually just sitdown please and I will call the list and I will bring this to you. Okay?Thank you so much.

DR. GUTMANN:

Please, Val, start. And I would ask each person after Val calls you andyou come up, if you could just introduce yourself to us, we would be veryappreciative of that. Thank you.

MS. BONHAM:

Wonderful. So the first person I have is Michael S. Perfect. Thank you somuch.

MR. SHANEYFELT:

My name is Michael Shaneyfelt. I am from Birmingham, Alabama. Thequestion that I brought to the Board is that in 2000 I was approached bya Navy sub diver and he brought to my attention the use of an auditoryweapon that he stole from the United States Navy. He told me about thisweapon that he stole from the Navy and he told me how the weapon

would affect the central nervous system of a human. And he wanted meto go out and assist him in certain things.

And in 2006, my life changed. I woke up one day and I got a strongelectrical shock in the center of my chest. From that, I started to haveproblems with my heart. I started having bigeminies, irregular rhythms.I went into the hospital. The doctors determined that I was getting anelectrical shock through my chest.


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Then I went in and had an operation done, an ablation. And with all this,it just keeps going on. From then it went to my lungs and then fromthere it went to my kidneys. From there it went to my bladder. Fromthere it went to my colon and it keeps going on and on and on.

Medically I have been looked at and reviewed over and over and overagain. My brother, he is a doctor. My sister, she is a nurse. My nephew isa nurse. And I have got people that have talked to me about medicalsituations and medical views. And I know exactly what is occurring iswrong and I feel like I am a test subject. And I have responded to thegovernment and the government responded back to me but I have notseen no action.

I have given you all a report and you all can look at the letters that I havesent in.

MR. SCHATZ:

Thank you. My name is Gerald Schatz and I am a lawyer and retiredprofessor, Assistant Professor of Ethics and Law at Michigan StateUniversity. I want to address two things very quickly.

One is the theme of vulnerability and its recognition. We have gone froman era of very reflective and I think very decent recognition of the moralobligations of researchers to an era of discussion of regulatory burden. Ithink that is unseemly.

The second point is that there is law out there. The bioethics community

has been oblivious to it but there is international law. There is theInternational Covenant on Civil and Political Rights the United Statesratified in 1992 and it makes informed consent an absolute requirement,no exceptions, not even in emergencies, subject to those normal legalfictions of consenting for the incapacitated patient to medical care and soforth.

Additionally, the Geneva Conventions and additional protocols to theGeneva Conventions make research very, very difficult or prohibitedaltogether for those individuals who are caught up in the war and armedconflicts.

Michigan State University faculty responded to the OHRP request forcomment in 2005 on equivalent protections. I will be pleased to providethat comment and those citations and some additional materials to theCommission. Thank you.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.


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MR. RYAN:

Thank you very much. My name is Cina Ryan. I am an American. I havebeen living here since 1976.

To answer the question the chair lady that is it still going to happen or isit still going on, I will assure you that there is still experimentation goingon and one of live is standing right here.

I strongly believe that I have been targeted for the experimentation ofbrain research since September 2008, without my consent. They arecontrolling my mind and using electronic remote control device to sendinstruction. In the past two and a half years, I have been subjected toconstant electric shock, a sleep disturbance, a sleep deprivation, shortbreaths, severe localized pain into various parts of my body, telephoneand bell rings in my ears, heat waves through my body, horrifyingdreams, creating sudden fear and worries in my mind.

They do these mostly when I am inside my apartment but sometimes allthis happens, some of this happens when I am outside without I amseeing anybody or any device. This experimentation are done to mewithout any touch or anything or see anybody.

This inhuman and painful method of torture include reading mythoughts and memories. To this, they have been able to control me andsubject me to severe pain that I have been suffering for the past 29months. My health has deteriorated during this time and I have nomedical insurance to significant help. My life is in danger and I need

your help from the government. And I am only asking them to stop thispainful torture and leave me alone so I can go back to my life. Thank you.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Dr. John Hall.

DR. HALL:

My name is Dr. John Hall. I am a medical doctor from Texas. As I

understand the memorandum from the President, it is for you todetermine if current legislation is adequate in protecting individuals andif there is any ongoing experimentation.

In reviewing the Common Rule, it is very obvious that there is a lot ofloop holes to informed consent. All of the horrific experiments you havementioned, Willowbrook, MKULTRA, radiation experiments, mostlywere done without informed consent. They were funded by the DoD and


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intelligence agencies where I am not even so sure you would know ifthere is an IRB, much less if an IRB is looking at informed consent.

As a physician, relative to some of what you are hearing today, in thecommunity we are seeing an alarming rate of complaints of use of

electromagnetic weapons. Microwave auditory effects, silent soundspectrum, EEG cloning, which has taken the lab out of the laboratoryand into the home. Most of these from the research that we havereviewed can be done remotely. It seems to be more weapons researchthan medical research.

I personally corresponded with upwards of 1500 victims all complainingof identical complaints from every state in the nation of being exposed toelectromagnetic radiation, non-ionizing radiation for the use of cognitivecontrol or behavior control.

I submitted a paper to you and there is another paper submitted to eachmember from another physician in Kansas City alluding to the samething.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Ms. Millicent Black.

MS. BLACK:

My name is Millicent Black. I am from Tennessee, possibly a

transgenerational person whose family members have been used for atleast three generations and I am the second one. My Dad possibly wasthe first one who was admitted to a Nashville Hospital with a pinealgland tumor left there with a plate in the back of his head, not the frontof his head where his pineal gland would have been.

At his death, I sought Well actually before his death I sought legalcounsel for some horrendous treatment he had received at a nursinghome that was also partnering with that hospital in Nashville, only tofind out that a judge told the attorneys to drop that case.

I am a part of the group that is here today representing those who arereceiving the electromagnetic torture and even my daughter at fivemonths old was referred to that same Nashville Hospital after havingbeen refused treatment at the local hospital. I believe she is also a victimof the electromagnetic torture. Where does this stop? When are we re-given our rights as humans and as citizens? Does being AfricanAmericans qualify us as non-Black or non-White, and non-Americancitizens or non-American people? We seem to have a double blind going.


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DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Mr. Marshall? Mrs. Marshall.

MS. MARSHALL:

Good afternoon. My name is Connie Marshall. I am a former mayoralcandidate from Louisville, Kentucky. I have never been involved in anycriminal activity. I found a document in my bank account that saidproblem with Kentucky government. Check federal governmentpaperwork in file before releasing information to anyone.

I am an eight year victim survivor of assaults by directed energyweapons. The torture I have experienced consists of body overheating,body extremely cold, seizures, heart pain, earaches, itching behind eyes,burning behind eyes, swelling, headaches, involuntary movement of mylimbs, exhaustion, speeding and heart racing, hair coming out by thehandfuls as if I have had chemotherapy, mind paralysis, beinghypnotized or being placed in a trance-type state, being tracked by adrone or satellite, controlled dreams, sleep deprivation, V2K which isvoice to skull, projected sound, extreme muscle spasms and extrememuscle cramps; being made to fall down; blue circles around the pupilsof my eyes and I am here and you can look at them if you like; lowfrequency noises in my home; high frequency noises in my home; sexualstimulation. Numerous electrical appliances in my home are destroyed;four computers, two fax machines, seven telephones, four CD players,

VCR, DVD players, the electrical igniter switch on my furnace, washerand dryer, air conditioner. Also my car radio, CD player and engine weredestroyed. I am watched in my home 24 hours a day and followedaround everywhere I go, though I do not have a criminal history.

When I ran for Mayor of my town, I was also attacked at debates andforums. My website iswww.justiceforallcitizens.com. Thank you. And Iwould like to leave you with these flyers as well. Thank you.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Mr. Allen Hornblum.

MR. HORNBLUM:

My name is Allen Hornblum. I am a Philadelphia-based author who haswritten books on things running the gambit from organized crime toSoviet espionage. But for the purposes of this meeting, I have written two
http://www.justiceforallcitizens.com/http://www.justiceforallcitizens.com/


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books on the history of using prison inmates as test subjects. You may befamiliar with one or both of them.

I am working with a couple colleagues now on the history of usinginstitutionalized children as test subjects for research. And I can assure

you some of the material I am finding is quite astounding, including thefact that Nobel Prize winners went to institutions for the feeble mindedto use them as test subjects.

And in interviewing people over the years, not just test subjects which Ido on a regular basis, but also the doctors who initiated theseexperiments, these clinical trials. I am talking about people like AlbertKligman and Hilary Koprowski, Chester Southam, some of the topresearchers of the twentieth century, most of them are famous but someare infamous. It is remarkable that almost all of them articulate howlittle medical ethics was taught in medical schools at the time. And I hadto bring up, I had to educate one of them, in fact, about the NurembergCode. When I mentioned it, he wasnt even familiar with it.

These problems with regard to medical ethics are still there. Iperiodically give talks at Universities in med schools and it is stunning tome that when I go into a book store at the university and go in, maybe Iwill see one of my books there. Of course I am a little bit disturbed whenthey dont, but I also dont see anything by Harriet Washington or byJames Jones, Bad Blood, or by Jonathan Morenos book. Medical ethicsis an orphan in todays medical arena. It is out there in left field. Theyreally deemphasize it and that is part of the continuing problem.

The doctors, as Dan said earlier when they do these studies, it is a costbenefit analysis and there is much more benefit to doing research, evenwhen it breaks rules and laws and cuts corners than by following therules. And that is why I believe the Commission has to make a verystrong condemnation of Dr. Cutler and the institutions and doctors thathe worked with, not just with regard to Tuskegee and Guatemala butthere are so many other incidents and events out there.

As Susan said, we will continue to discover these. There will be anothercommission like yours in ten years going over what you didnt look at orwhat you didnt do. So I would encourage you to be as aggressive as

possible, not just describe what happened but really condemn those whobroke the law because there are doctors making decisions right now andthose decisions are going the wrong way. Thank you.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.


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STAFFER:

Ms. Debra Poulson or Debra Paulson.

MS. POULSEN

Hi, I am Debra Poulsen from Kenosha, Wisconsin.

I am going to refer to a paper from Professor McCoy at the University ofWisconsin on no-touch torture. He talks about a total assault on allsenses and sensibilities, auditory, visual, tactile, temporal, temperature,and survival, refined through years of practice. Sensory disorientationrelies on a mix of sensory overload and sensory deprivation via banalprocedures, isolation, by intense interrogation, heat and cold, light anddark, noise and silence or a systematic attack on all human stimuli.

I have been a human subject for experimentation for almost two yearsand I stand with, I have contacted Dr. Hall, I stand with a very largegroup. Excuse me I am very nervous but I am very tired of having myrights taken away. And thank you for hearing me and thank you for theothers. I would like some help. Thank you.

[Audience Applause]

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Ms. Lisa Becker.

MS. BECKER:

Thank you. My name is Lisa Becker. I am also from Wisconsin. I havebeen a non-consenting test subject in military medical research. I, too,believe my experience is referred to as no-touch torture, utilize defensetechnologies.

Jonathan Moreno, he basically predicted all this a number of years ago inhis book Undue Risk.

I am asking you to help initiate a congressional investigation. We have allcome a long way. This is what is needed. We want to have the accounts of

this extreme human rights abuse that is going on in our countrydocumented and heard, all of the accounts.

We also need what was done during the Clinton administration, which isa major declassification of some of these documents that are hiding whathas been going on.


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I speak for many when I say we have suffered long enough. My personalexperience has been ten years. I have been vilified. I have been tortured.I have burns on my body. I am an American. I have rights.

The answer to the question, the big question today, could it happen

today, the answer is yes. It is happening today. It is happening for someof us every day.

I am begging for you to help us. Thank you.

[Audience Applause]

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Mr. James Wollet Walbert.

MR. WOLLET:

My name is James Wollet. To date, I have one of the strongest casesdocumented of these unethical violations against our society.

Due to the facts of having the kinds of professionals that I have involvedwith this case, I have been able to prove that this crime against othersand myself is real and shows reason to be concerned with.

I am in hopes that I am able to prove the same thing to this committeeand by the introduction of the evidence that I have to introduce to the

committee, I and the professionals that are standing with myself in thiscrime, would like for this committee to consider the introduction of thesedocuments with the growing concern of this crime to the President forhis review.

With these hopes in mind for this consideration, I would also like to askof this committee to consider an investigation into these unethicalviolations of others and myself that are affected by this crime.

With this consideration of this investigation I request into these matters,I would also like to point out the abuses of children that have been

documented by the many professionals that I am currently working withinto these matters of this crime. To date, the professionals have beendocumenting these offenses against the children that are related to themany victims of these crimes. They have proven this concern to be validas I am pointing out to this committee. The growing concern of fellowstates that have now passed laws against forced chipping of an RFIDtracking chip. These states have now passed such bills into law. ColoradoHouse Bill 071082; North Dakota Senate Bill 2415; Oklahoma State


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Senate Bill 47, House Bill 072092; Missouri House Bill 550;Pennsylvania Bill; Georgia Senate Bill 235; and the list just goes on.

I was also wanting to ask if I could provide a portfolio of introduction of12 professionals from political support to medical investigations, as well

as private investigative support to committee as well for review.

DR. GUTMANN:

You may. Thank you very much.

MR. WOLLET:

Thank you.

[Audience Applause]

STAFFER:

Mr. Peter Rosen.

MR. ROSENHOLM:

Hi, I am Peter Rosenholm. I am from Rhode Island. Like all the others,we go through this every day, at least 14 years now of being tortured. It isnonconsensual human experimentation. It is remote. It is covert. It ishard to prove it a lot of times. Many of my attacks were microwaveweapons, MEDUSA is one.

In all the hospital statements when I was hospitalized, I told of being hitby radiation weapons, that I could hear voices. MEDUSA now admits toall those capabilities.

I am also in the Naval War Colleges Congressional District and I have gotfalsely diagnosed, drugged. I have pretty much proven all that wrong. Iam off all the medication but I am still tortured. It goes on every day andit goes on every day for all of these people. What I would like is for us tohave a participation on your committee for someone from our group toactually participate. I am wondering if that is possible because we are thevictims. We are like the Guatemalans who were tortured. Is there achance that that can happen? Did you hear me?

DR. GUTMANN:

You are

MR. ROSENHOLM:

Is there a chance that a group or an individual from us can be on thecommittee?


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DR. GUTMANN:

We are constituted by the President as a Commission and we have publiccomment and you can write us and we will read everything you give us.

MR. ROSENHOLM:

Right.

DR. GUTMANN:

It is the President who President Obama appoints the Commission.

MR. ROSENHOLM:

The other thing we deal with is like a COINTELPRO attack. Lawenforcement attacks us, discredits us, will put us in a mental hospital ifwe try too hard. These people all dont want to go to doctors. The PatriotAct has provisions what doctors have to follow what they say. So all ofthese people arent getting their teeth fixed, arent going for medical care.We are in a bad situation.

Thank you.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Mr. Kenneth Rhoads or Rhands. Mr. Kenneth Rhoads.

(No response.)

STAFFER

Ms. Letitia Peters.

MS. PETERS:

Madame Chair, members of the Bioethics Committee, my name is LetitiaPeters and I am from Trenton, New Jersey. I was a federal governmentemployee working 16 years as an electronics engineer right here inWashington, D.C. where I got sick due to toxic metal exposure. Andwhen I started complaining about it and using my rights, I believe nowafter five years of being out of the government, after 16 years of service,that I was put into this 24/7 execution chamber. And I, too, am looking

for congressional investigations. I should be covered under the WhistleProtection Blowers Act and I, too, would like to submit documentationwhich I presented.

And I have been denied medical treatment. I have been disregarded asbeing nonhuman. All my rights have been violated. My parents and I areliving together now in Trenton, New Jersey, and there are low-flyingaircrafts dropping biological weapons over our houses every day in order


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to try to kill me. And I just want to demonstrate some of the evidencethat I have and provide to you because I have been trying to get to thePresident but I know all of my information has been rerouted.

So I, too, am requesting a congressional investigation as well. And may I

present this information to you?

DR. GUTMANN:

You may. Thank you very much.

STAFFER:

Ms. Tammy Battaglia.

MS. BATTAGLIA

Hi, my name is Tammy Battaglia. I have been enrolled in psychologicalexperiments on the record since the age of 13 without my consent.

I have spent many years recovering from experimental hypnosis,physical and biological testing that I have undergone during decades oftests conducted by government-funded doctors, corporate think tanksand researchers.

I have experienced tremendous loss and trauma over the years ofsubjection to nonconsensual experimentation, which has beendevastating to my life. The people conducting experiments on otherhuman beings do not consider the horribly destructive ramifications thatthey are subjecting victims to. As a result, there is no rehabilitation afterexperiments. No consideration is given to the often severe, psychological

and physical trauma suffered by nonconsensual tests subjects almostcontinuously.

Many victims such as myself are diagnosed with nonexistent mentalillnesses and as a result, we are expected to take dangerous medicationsthat we do not need. There is no way to seek justice for what we haveendured because in America, the land of the free, justice is not free.

The experiments violate every right imaginable and offer no restitutionwhatsoever. If myself or any other victim approaches law enforcement orgovernment agencies, we are spurned and in some cases forcibly taken to

mental institutions. I have not consented to be experimented on by anybranch of the government, military, or members of the AmericanMedical Association.

The initial experiments unfolded from decisions that were made for mewhen I was a child at a time when I was unable to understand what I wasbeing volunteered for or what the consequences would be. I deserve to be


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vindicated and released from these experiments immediately, as do all ofus. Thank you.

[Audience Applause]

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Ms. Rose Gapinski.

MS. GAPINSKI:

Amy, I love your question of us to try to figure out what the big problemis, to really analyze and get to the root of it. And I thought at first it wascontainment, which leads to things like false flags to confuse people. Itleads to harassing people to discredit them or disable them, the TIs thatis, the victims. It leads to possible corruption, secrecy, possible fear ofgoing to prison on the part of the people that are executing these things.

And then I realized underneath the containment, the secrecy-containment umbrella, is a really glaring inability of the U.S. to everapologize for anything. To be able to say I am sorry, the rest of the worldis waiting for us to say Im sorry or I admit to something. I have flaws.Everyone does. And contrary to the Pentagon myth that you should notdo that to be strong, contrary to that myth, it makes a person stronger.Therefore, it will also make a country stronger. Other countries wouldvery much appreciate it.

Say, you know, Im sorry, two seconds of silence and then we can go onwith life.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

[Audience Applause]

STAFFER:

Mr. Jeremy Radlow.

MR. RADLAR:My name is Jeremy Radlar. I am here to tell you that nonconsensualhuman experimentation is happening in the United States today. I havebeen the subject of this experimentation for more than five years.

Calling these activities experimentation is truthful but possiblydistracting. I think the criteria governing the selection of experimenteeswill prove to be a much bigger scandal than the experimentation itself.


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The psychological torture protocol that is part of the so-calledexperimentation includes, but is not limited to, the use of non-lethalweapons and mind-invasive technology. Sleep deprivation, pain centerstimulation, and worse are used against subjects.

While some experimentees have found foreign objects in their bodiessuggesting implantation, most have not. Receiverless mind-invasivetechnology has been demonstrated under laboratory conditions but themost likely explanation is that experimentees are implanted with foreignobjects either too small to appear on commercially available scanningequipment or designed to be indistinguishable from the surroundingtissue. These activities are highly deceptive, use clandestine technology,and have the fingerprints of the CIA all over them.

It is unreasonable to expect isolated individuals receiving this treatmentto furnish proof. A thorough investigation is warranted. Thanks for yourtime.

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you very much.

[Audience Applause]

STAFFER:

Ms. Kathryn Nestor.

MS. NESTOR:

My name is Kathryn Nestor and I am from Pennsylvania.

This Commission has spoken of a long history of abuse of the humanresearch subject. Although no one mentioned MKULTRA today,President Clinton recently apologized for this.

My young child and I have been used as nonconsensual test subjects. Wehave been subjected to COINTELPRO-like stalking, remoteneuromonitoring and electromagnetic torture, resulting in psychologicaland physical damage. And I wont go into the details of that because Ihave four pages written in here. It is very similar to Connies testimony.

Please do not wait 70 years to investigate this. I ask Dr. Amy Gutmann tobegin today. There is new work for the Commission for human subjectprotection on our shores. And please give us a dramatic response, Susan.And please give us a congressional hearing. Thank you.

[Audience Applause]


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DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you.

STAFFER:

Ms. Miriam Snyder.

MS. SNYDER:Hello. My name is Miriam Snyder. I am an educator, minister, humanrights advocate. I work with many people that have suffered theramifications of unregulated deadly human research experimentation.Since I have brought this to the public, I have become a victim, too. Infact in the past I was. I have three questions I would like the Commissionto answer and then I would like to submit some recommendations sothat we do not have to go through this type of forum of listening,listening, and then we have to rush this serious assassination program.Human research experimentation is being used to assassinate innocentpeople and I think it is time that it takes much more than two minutes torush up. I resent it. I spent my time. I listened and I ask that you listen.

Foremost, since Guatemala and Tuskegee experiments, it is understoodthat human research experimentation via particularly injections oninnocent people is understood that these things are going on. I wouldlike the Commission to address what is being done to stop thecontinuance of non-verifiable injections being used on people.

I would like to know, the Commission to address, what penalties andprotections are in place for researchers. The incarceration of researcherswho create deadly weapons and viruses. What is going to be done to stop

the deadly created manmade viruses getting out the laboratory to humanbodies? And when are we going to start incarcerating researchers? Allright?

Number three. Who supervises energy technology, specifically electronictorture? That is a major issue. Just hold on. I waited two days. Electronictorture. All these people are here talking about they are being tortured.They are in a slow-kill program via radiation. The cleft lip babies arecoming out through radiation programs. The studies show it. I havesubmitted documentation. We have cleft lip babies because ofunregulated radiation studies. What is going to be done to stop this?

These people are suffering because of unregulated radiation studies,human research experiments. And the funding is immense and peopleare dying. What is going to be done to stop it? Okay.

With respect to neuroimaging, I found a tremendous amount of researchregarding injection-induced seizures. Why is human research allowing


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experiments that allow injection-induced seizures and through electronictechnology?

Now my recommendation. I would hope that this committee couldlaunch a specific committee to address these issues with human rights

experts, genocide specialists, people who have studied mass murders;that it is understood that these things do happen through genocide and Ican give you a list of people that have documentaries on this; and toinvestigate the citizen complaints regarding mind control weapons, inparticular energy technology via satellite; induced seizures via satellite;microwave auditory effect weapon; all government-sponsoredpsychological operations; microchipping through injections.

Above all, we seek the creation of a means for injections to be verifiedbefore entering the human body and prosecution for anyone using thesedeadly tactics to harm the people. And we seek compensation for all thevictims who have filed affidavit after affidavit documenting the atrocitiesinvolved with unregulated and deadly human research experimentationthat they have suffered as a direct result of these criminal humanresearch and the whistle blowers who have exposed this.

Thank you very much and please have a forum where we dont have to dothis rush up. I waited two days and I dont like being rushed like this, Ireally dont. Thank you.

[Audience Applause]

DR. GUTMANN:


STAFFER:

Mr. Nigel Nicholson.

MR. NICHOLSON:

Hi, good evening. My name is Nigel Nicholson and I have been in apsychological coercive mind control program. This started in 2002 whenI was falsely arrested, I was drugged, and I believe I was hypnotized.Soon after that, I was being harassed by the police department, alongwith noise campaign that was being committed by the New York City

Fire Department. I mean, for a whole year, every time I left my house, Iwas bombarded with noise which led me to have a psychologicalbreakdown. I have been job mobbed. I have been put into what I call anassassination-type program. I have been villainized. My friends havetotally retreated from me, even though I have continuously reached outto them.


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I have been under what I believe is neuromonitoring. When I can thinkof something and go outside and somebody will walk by me and repeatwhat I just said, I know I am not crazy. Okay? Regardless of what isbeing said, they made the victims of these programs to be diagnosed witha psychological illness to hide these crimes because we all know that to

discredit an individual, if you give them a mental illness or diagnosethem with a mental illness, no one is going to believe us. No one is goingto believe you or I and this is how they are hiding these crimes.

[Audience Applause]

DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you, sir.

STAFFER:

Ms. Micheline Jones.

MS. JONES:

Hello, my name is Micheline Jones. I am right here from D.C. I live inpublic housing and I mention that because this where most of the poorpeople are at, especially these days with the way the economy is going.

I am the subject of MKULTRA mind control. I am also the subject ofelectromagnetic radiation and I have many videos to prove it. I havetaken these videos to newspapers and to various places even includingwhat is that CDC and everyone has just turned away as if this is hush-hush. I have had lawyers deny me assistance because they said this is toobig.

So in research I found out that the former Congresswoman CynthiaMcKinney asked for reinvestigation under her resolution H.R. 1026 toreinvestigate COINTEL activities. I am constantly stalked. There is manycovert activities that have followed me. Sleep deprivation, I dont havethat too much now because I force myself, clocks, radios, too muchliquids at night, whatever, just to get up and get out of the house.

I have asked public housing from the executive director all the way downto fair hearing which is still pending right now to get me out of this placebut now I am beginning to wonder would it do any good. I have relocated

three or four times and I had a deputy officer or a county officer tell methis will follow you. So when they pick their subjects, this goes with you.

I would like all of this medical abuse to be investigated and, if possible,for you to get back with us. I didnt know about this meeting untilyesterday and I do appreciate you letting me have this time to speak.Thank you.


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DR. GUTMANN:

Thank you, Ms. Jones.

STAFFER:

Mr. Timothy White.

MR. WHITE:

I would like to thank the Commission for allowing the public to addressthese issues. And it has been a lot of information and it has been verygood and enlightening. And I see I am in the right place to provide theinformation I have.

And yes, the Tuskegee experiments are still going on and the Guatemalaexperiments are still going on. But they are going on because of theadvances in the signals technology and in cognitive neurologicaltechnology and neurophysiological experimentation in research andadvances in that technology is allowing these things to happen andcreating a new class of vulnerabilities for citizens who cannot protectthemselves against this.

We provide citizens who are currently nonconsensual victims ofcognitive neuroscience in neurophysiological research andexperimentation which is enabled remotely through extremely lowfrequency computer to brain entrainment technology This technologyexists and can be verified on subjects with a high degree of accuracy,using current neuroimaging technologies.

Okay, this is an atrocity that has gone on for years. And like the Tuskegee

experiments, it is clearly within the scope of this Commission. If there isany doubt as to the validity of these claims then this Commission canconduct its own independent investigation by using functional brainimaging techniques.

We ask that the Committee, just because of the existence of ourorganization, Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance, alonewe have thousands of people who have contacted us claiming to bevictims of this. Our existence is justification that you should investigatethis occurrence further.

We need test developed to determine if a citizen has been harmed by acognitive weapon. These are cognitive weapons that somehow thesepeople are being experimented on with. And just overall, you need to banthe unethical use of science and technology on all citizens for any reasonand in any form. Thank you.

DR. GUTMANN

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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:

May I put my name on the list?

DR. GUTMANN:

I dont have the list.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT:

Well what happened was I called in and found out it would be opened upto actually be able to speak to be put on the list. And when I got here, Iwasnt informed that there was a list that I actually had to sign up. I amasking for a minute.

DR. GUTMANN

Yes, you may have a minute. We have about five minutes left.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT

Okay. Well, I will take five minutes.

DR. GUTMANN

No, no.

(Laughter.)

DR. GUTMANN

If there is somebody else. Okay, thank you.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT

I will try.

DR. GUTMANN

Absolutely. Thank you.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT

As you see, we have, actually this is a minority of us. Approximately letssay I have spoken to probably 3,000 people. He is on probably 1,500, heis on 5,000. There is a lot of us across the U.S. And there are certainstatistics I think that if you find that there is something going on wrong,that you are going on wrong, that somewhere along the line, somebody

has to do an investigation. If there is a certain percentage of illness. Youdo an investigation. If there is a certain amount of cancers in the area,the same as Brockovich went and did the investigation, she found acertain amount. Well, we are presenting our case right now. You said youguys wanted to be in the know. We are giving you the information now sothat you are in the know.


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There is something going on. It is an electromagnetic issue and it has todo with from cell phones all the way to directed energy. And I thinkyesterday some of the colleagues went ahead and said that we didntreally talk about whether there is energy weapons or not but I mean, wehave thousands and thousands of documentations about energy weapons

themselves and all we are asking for is an investigation on this. Peopleare being harmed. People are being tortured and people are being killed.And I think it is a pretty important thing for a bioethics committee tolook into. And all we ask today is to please do that. And mark on Marchfirst 2011 we came to you and we told you. And I dont know how manymore people. My friends are dead. Tortured to death by electronicweapons and I dont know how many more people will die. And I hope Iwill be here again if you have this next year.

DR. GUTMANN


STAFFER

That is the end of the list.

DR. GUTMANN

Are we

STAFFER:

That is the end of the list.

DR. GUTMANN

Okay. One minute. Thank you.

MALE PARTICIPANT

I am going to do the best that I can while being hurt by a nationaldefense weapon that our country built. I love our country but I am incontact and have been with the Chief of the Department of DefenseFraud, Waste and Abuse hotline. He has worked with me and my wife fortwo years. And he went to the Pentagon after we were aerosoled by a jetat 150 to 200 miles per hour, that being me and my wife. That is why myface is rebuilt and she is at home taking care of a hundred head of cattlewith a brain tumor. I have had three removed.

I guess my point would be this, is that I stood up to this program, andthat would be the joint operations system that our country built with anonlethal, less than lethal weapons system. And I am the only one knownin the world, besides the people that helped build this system, to havethis actual pulse on camera and have caught it. And I would like tosubmit that disk.


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But I would guess that the one question I would have Its okay, Eli.You dont have to beat me up with the microphone.

The one question I would add is first of all, I would like to submit this toyou as promptly as possible and then ask each and every one of you that

90 percent of the people that approached you spoke the same way I am,scared but also spoke They are speaking of directed energy weapons.That was phased out with a nonlethal and less than lethal programs. Andwe all know that. Most of you do anyways.

Would you please help save my life, maam?

[Audience Applause]

DR. GUTMANN

Please submit what you have and we will do what we can. Thank you.

MALE PARTICIPANT

And your name?

DR. GUTMANN

My name

MALE PARTICIPANT

Yes, maam.

DR. GUTMANN is Dr. Amy Gutmann.

MALE PARTICIPANT

Dr. Amy Goodman, I am going to submit that to you and if I die fromthis, then I am quite sure somebody else will look at the evidence. Thankyou for your time.

DR. GUTMANN

Thank you.

MALE PARTICIPANT

I appreciate it, maam.


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