MeetingMinutes:IEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForceNovember,9-12,2015Dallas,Texas,USA
PreparedbyJairoBustosHeredia
NovemberPlenaryMeetingof the IEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForcemeetingconvenedat8:22a.m.,Tuesday,November10,2015byDaveAbramson,802.3btTaskForceCommentEditor.
ADMINISTRATIVEMATTERS
Calltoorder
Mr.DaveAbramson,TaskForceCommentEditorandActingChair,calledthemeetingtoorderat8:22a.m.onbehalfofMr.ChadJones,ChairoftheIEEE802.3btTaskForce,whowastemporarilyunavailable.Mr.DaveAbramsoncalledforintroductionsandaffiliations.Participantsintroducedthemselves.
Mr.DaveAbramsonappointedJairoBustosHerediaactingrecordingsecretaryforthesession.Mr.DaveAbramsonreviewedtheAgenda,focusedonresolvingcommentsondraftD1.4andhearingassociatedcontributions.
Motion#1:MotiontoapproveAgendaforNovember2015TaskForceMeeting(agenda_1115.pdf)
Mover:DaveDwelley Seconder:DylanWalker
Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%)November,102015,8:37a.m.Mr.DaveAbramsonintroducedthe“TaskForceDecorum”invitinganyoneattendingfromthepress,includingthosewhowouldrunapublicblogonthismeeting,topointthemselvesout.Therewerenoindications.Mr.DaveAbramsonnotedthatthereshouldbenorecordingorphotographywithoutpermission.Goalsofthemeeting,Reflector&WebandGroundRuleswerereadbyMr.DaveAbramson.HealsoremindsattendeestorecordtheirattendanceintheIMATToolforthesessions,aswellasremindsparticipantstoweartheirbadgesinpublicatalltimes.Mr.Abramsonremindedtheattendeesof inappropriatetopicsthatshouldnotbediscussed.Theseincludedprice,nomatterwhichcurrency.Mr.Abramsonasksifanyonehasnotheardaboutthepatentpolicy.Havingnobodyintheroomwhohas not, Mr. Abramson proceeds to call for potentially essential patents at 8:36 a.m. with noresponsestothecallforpatents.Mr.Abramsonreadsthrough“OtherguidelinesforIEEEWGMeetings”.Mr.AbramsongoesthroughtheoverviewoftheStandardsProcess,indicatingatwhichpointtheWGfindsitself.
Wemakearecessbeing8:45a.m.Thesessionresumesbeing8:50a.m.LIAISONSMr.Abramsonnotestwoliaisonsforthismeeting.
- FromTIATR42:TR42-2015-10-113LiaisontoIEEE802.3btreTSB-184-ADraft3.0- FromISO/IECJTC1SC25toIEEE802.3oncableheating
ADHOCREPORTSTherearenoAdHocReports.Motion#2:ApprovetheMinutesfromOctober2015
Mover:MatthiasWendt Seconder:DanDove
Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%),November,102015,8:54a.m.
MeetingMinutes from theOctober Interimmay be found under the following hyperlink: October2015Minutes.
CommentResolutionandPresentationsMr. Abramson then moves on to main business of the meeting, which is comment resolution.Resolution of comments by consensus or motion is listed in the comment database. Proceduralevents and significant motions are below. Please see the comment resolution files posted fordetailedactioninthemeeting.In the case of a presentation associated to a comment, it is noted along with the presenter andcomment number. In the case of a motion, it is recorded along with the comment number (ifapplicable.)EZBucketMr.AbramsonnotedseveralcommentswererequestedoverthereflectortoberemovedfromtheEZbucket.Hethenproposedthefollowingmotion:
Motion #3: Approve the responses for the EZ bucket comments as found in the file
802d3bt_D1p4_EZ_DraftOrder.pdf with the exception of comments: 5, 30, 38, 42, 52, 113, 122,
137,145,211and217
Mover:DaveAbramson Seconder:LennartYseboodtMr.Abramsonasksifthereisanydiscussiononthemotion.Beingnone,votingprocessproceeds.
Yes:22;No:0;Abstain:1(Technical>75%)
Motionpasses.November,102015,8:58a.m.Mr.Abramsongoes throughthecomments removed fromEZbucket.Being9:23a.m., removedEZBucketcommentshavealreadybeenreviewed.Mr.AbramsonmovesontononEZBucketcomments
(106 in total), focusing first on those commentswhich do not have any associated presentations.Thesemaybefoundunderthefollowinghyperlink:nonEZBucketcomments.**********************************************************************************Break:recessat10:13a.m.Sessionresumesat10:32a.m.**********************************************************************************
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Thegroupproceedswithcommentresolution.Mr.AbramsonremindsattendeestologintoIMATToolandrecordtheirattendance.
Mr.YseboodtwouldliketohaveStrawPollforcomment#201(2:04p.m.).ItwasvotedtoeitherleavethetextasitisorchangetoXandY(seecomment#201innonEZBucketcomments)
ResultofStrawPoll:
Asitis:4
ChangetoXandY:8
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Duetoanendlessdiscussiononcomment#205,Mr.Abramsonproposestovoteforacceptingorrejectingit.
Accept:10
Reject:0
Abstain:8
Commentisaccepted.
At3:58p.m.,allnon-presentation-relateddocumentswhichhavenorelationwithStateDiagramwereresolved.Discussionproceedstocommentswithrelatedpresentations.
Presentations
Title:NewClauseforType3&4(yseboodt_1_1115_newclause_v120.pdf)
Presenter:LennartYseboodt
Relatedtocomments:102
Discussion:PresenterpresentshisproposalofsplittingupClause33andhavinganewClauseforTypes3and4andtheirinteractionwithTypes1and2.HedescribedthereasonsforwhichunderhisopinionasplittingoftheClausewouldbebeneficial,aswellasdescribingtheproceduretofollowwhensplitting.
Title:TwoPoEchaptersvs.1:pro’sandcon’s.(darshan_06_1115.pdf).
Presenter:YairDarshan
Relatedtocomments:102
Discussion:PresenterpresentshisproposalofkeepingonlyoneClauseforPoE,whichdescribeallTypes.HeenumeratedthedifferentbenefitsofkeepingoneClause.
StrawPoll(followingChicagorules)takesplaceregardingsplittingorkeepingClause33.
Splitting:11
Keeping:17
Title:LLDPExtensionsII(wendt_1_1115_LLDP_Extensions_v100.pdf)
Presenter:MatthiasWendt
Relatedtocomment:153,155
Mr.AbramsonindicatesthatTaskForceMeetingwillresumeeitherWednesdayat8:30a.m.orwhentheStateMachineAdHocfinishes,whichevercomeslater,butnolaterthan1:00p.m.
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NovemberPlenaryMeetingof the IEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForcemeeting convened at 10:25AM,Wednesday,November 11, 2015 by Chad Jones, 802.3btTaskForceChair
Mr.ChadJones,TaskForceChair,callsbackinsessionat10:25a.m.resumingcommentresolutionwithpresentation-relatedcomments(nonEZBucketcomments).HealsoremindsattendeestologontoIMATToolandrecordattendancefortheday,passingaroundtheattendancesheet.
Mr.AbramsonrecommendsresumingwithcommentsrelatedtoStateDiagram,aswehavejustfinishedtheStateDiagramAdHoc.
At10:26a.m.therewasanewstrawpoll,followingNon-Chicagorules,regardingthesplittingoftheClause:
Split:10
Keep:8
Abstain:3
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Comment#201appearsagain.Mr.Abramsonproceedstoopenavotingprocess:
Accept:10
Reject:5
Abstain:13
Commentisrejected.
At1:46p.m.commentsnotrelatedtopresentationsarefinished.
Title:BaselineforFigure33-14v310(yseboodt_10_1115_Figure_33_14_v310.pdf)
Presenter:LennartYseboodt
Relatedtocomment:8,40and139
Sessionjumpsoutofcommentresolutiontopresentationsat2:42p.m.
Title:ConductorAmpacity4-pairCommunicationsCables(diminico_1_1115.pdf)
Presenter:ChrisDiMinico
Relatedtocomment:N.A.
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TaskForcecontinueswithpresentations.
Title:BaselineforPtypev110(Yseboodt_6_1115_Ptype_baseline_v110.pdf)
Presenter:LennartYseboodt
Relatedtocomment:33,47,207,203,206
Votingprocessisopenedforthispresentation,4:20p.m.Adopt“Yseboodt_6_1115_Ptype_baseline_v110.pdf”with45WreplacedwithTBD
Yes:13
No:10
Abstain:11
Votingfails.
Votingprocessforacceptingcomment#207:
Accept:16
Reject:0
Abstain:20
Commentisaccepted.
Title:Proposedresponsetocomment146,147(darshan_07_1115.pdf)
Presenter:YairDarshan
Relatedtocomment:146,147
Title:Figure33-1-Rpair_max_PDandRpair_min_PDPDcommonmodeinputeffectiveimpedance(darshan_01_1115.pdf)
Presenter:YairDarshan
Relatedtocomment:10,222
Title:AddressingthechangesinTable33-1forsupportingType3and4PSEsInrush(darshan_04_1115Rev009.pdf)
Presenter:YairDarshan
Relatedtocomment:11
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NovemberPlenaryMeetingoftheIEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForcemeetingconvenedat8:00AM,Thursday,November12,2015byChadJones,802.3btTaskForceChair
Mr.ChadJones,TaskForceChair,callsbackinsessionat8:00a.m.
Title:Figure33-17.1–PSE-PDsimplifiedCportinterpretationmodel(darshan_02_1115.pdf)
Presenter:YairDarshan
Relatedtocomment:202,221
Title:Updating33.3.7.10perD1.4requirements(darshan_03_1115.pdf)
Presenter:YairDarshan
Relatedtocomment:13,186
Comment#102.VotingprocessforsplittingClause33intoseparatesubclauses,withinClause33(seeLennart’sTOCinthereflector.
Split:19
Notsplit:11
Abstain:11
Votingfails.Commentisrejected.
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Mr.DavidLawpresents“UseofPowerPriceIndexinformationinmeasurementTLV”.(law_1_1115.pdf)
AfterMr.Law’spresentation,thesessioncontinueswithcommentresolutionat10:50a.m.
Title:Type3andType4PSEstatediagram–variables,functionsandtimers(walker_1_1115_rev_2.pdf)
Presenter:DylanWalker
Relatedtocomment:n.A.
Mr.ChadJonespresentsanewtimelineproposition,version3
Motion#4:AdopttheApprovedTimelinev3
Mover:LennartYseboodt Seconder:YairDarshan
Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%).November,122015,11:23a.m.Motion#5:Adoptcommentresolutionsinthecommentdatabaseandchartertheeditortocreate
D1.5byincorporatingthecommentsforreviewbyNovember30,2015
Mover:DaveAbramson Seconder:MatthiasWendt
Yes:41;No:0;Abstain:0
Motionpasses(Technical>=75%).November,122015,11:28a.m.
Motion#6:MovethattheChairholdsacommentcycleonD1.5startingnolaterthanNovember
30,andendingJanuary10,201611:59p.m.AOE,withresolutionspostedbyJanuary13,2016
M:DaveAbramson S:FredSchindler
Yes:42;No:0;Abstain:0
Motionpasses(Technical>=75%).November12,2015,11:30a.m.
TheChairmovedtoliaisonsat11:34a.m.,andnotedtwoliaisonsforthismeeting,assignedtothegroupinSeptember.TheChairreadstheliaisonstothegroupandtakesonthehomeworktodraftaresponsetotheISO/IECletterforreviewinJanuary.ItisdeemedthattheTIALiaisonletterdoesnotneedaresponse.
Motion#7:Movetoadjournthemeeting
Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%).November,122015,11:44a.m.
TheMeetingwasadjournedat11:44a.m.,Thursday,November12,2015.