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SPECIAL MEETING OF THE BOARD : Monday
OF COMMISSIONERS OF THE HOUSING : August 4, 2014AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF HOBOKEN : 7:30 p.m.
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Held At: City Hall
Council Chambers
94 Washington Street
Hoboken, New Jersey
B E F O R E:
Carmelo G. Garcia, Executive Director
Chairwoman Dana Wefer
Vice Chair David Mello
Commissioner Robert Davis, III
Commissioner Jean Rodriguez
Commissioner Judith BurrellCommissioner James Sanford
Commissioner David Dening
A P P E A R A N C E S:
CHARLES P. DAGLIAN, ESQ.
Attorney for the Board.
PHYLLIS T. LEWIS
CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER
CERTIFIED REALTIME REPORTER
Phone: (732) 735-4522
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CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. We are going
to bring this meeting to order.
Please settle down, so we can stand and
salute the flag.
(Pledge of Alliegance recited)
(Applause)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I would like to
advise those present that notice of the Special
Meeting of the Housing Authority of the City of
Hoboken has been provided to the public in
accordance with the provisions of the Open Public
Meetings Act.
Notice of this Special Monthly Meeting
was published in The Jersey Journal and The Bergen
Record on Saturday, July 2nd (sic), and notice to
the general public of said meeting was sent to the
City Clerk of Hoboken with a copy of the agenda to
be placed on the aforementioned bulletin board.
I direct the minutes of this meeting to
state that I have announced that adequate notice of
the meeting had been given as required by the Open
Public Meetings Act.
COUNCILWOMAN MASON: Chairman, if I
might, a point of order.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Yes.
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COUNCILWOMAN MASON: Thank you.
I would like to put on the record that
this meeting is in violation of the Open Public
Meetings Act, as the public is not allowed to be
totally present at it and have been sent outside, so
they cannot participate in the meeting properly.
It also was not fully announced as to
the agenda as required for Special Meetings.
Thank you.
(Applause, cheering and whistling)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director Garcia,
will you please call the roll call?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: On the roll
call, Ms. Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Here.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Mello?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Present.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Dening?
COMMISSIONER DENING: Here.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Davis?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: I'm here.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
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Commissioner Burrell?
COMMISSIONER BURRELL: Here.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Sanford?
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Here.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Wefer?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Here.
Okay. The first order of business on
our agenda tonight is the election of a Secretary
Pro Temp, and the reason for that is because under
our -- under state statute and under our contract,
the Executive Director is the Board Secretary.
However, tonight because the resolutions concern the
Executive Director's employment with the Housing
Authority, it is prudent to elect a Secretary Pro
Temp, so right now I would like to open nominations
for the Secretary Pro Temp.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair -- Madam Chair --
COMMISSIONER DENING: I would like to
nominate David Mello --
MR. COLLECIO: A point of order --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director?
MR. COLLECIO: -- a point of order --
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EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
Chair, just for the record, I present an objection
to that because as per my employment contract, as
you are aware and under the bylaws, the Executive
Director is the Board Secretary.
I am still serving in that capacity at
the moment, so I think it would be premature for you
to basically remove me as the Secretary when, in
fact, the next item on the agenda is the resolution
concerning the letter of need and not a conflict
with respect to my employment contract.
So I would say to you that, again, you
are doing this improperly by removing me as
Secretary when, in fact, you are aware that the
bylaws and my employment contract recognize the
Executive Director as that of the Board Secretary.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director Garcia,
would you like to call the vote when we do the
resolution concerning the letter of need?
MR. DAGLIAN: I think what the Director
is suggesting, Madam Chair, is that under the
bylaws, the Chair shall be the Secretary. So I
agree with you that the point of the resolution that
comes to the situation terminating his contract, it
would be a conflict only in that he would have to be
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certifying as the Secretary. You certify the -- you
certify the resolution, so I think his point is that
in the agenda, the resolution concerning the letter
of need should be moved before the election of
Secretary Pro Temp --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I'm fine with that.
MR. DAGLIAN: -- and then the Secretary
Pro Temp, and then the other two resolutions.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: So in that case,
should we suspend the agenda?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Yeah.
Madam Chairwoman, I move to suspend the
agenda for the purposes of switching items two and
three on the agenda.
MR. COLLECIO: Chairwoman, for the
record -- for the record, Chairwoman --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I second that
motion.
MR. COLLECIO: -- I would like to just
point out for the record, Chairwoman, I have serious
concerns about the safety of the people --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: We need to call --
we need to call a vote on what has been first and
seconded when it comes to the suspension of the
agenda.
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CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: We can't have
members of the public coming up to the microphone
and interrupting the Board's proceedings.
If you have any safety concerns, please
bring them to the attention of one of the officers
stationed around the room --
MR. CAMPOS: We just did, and the chief
asked to put it on the record. The chief asked to
place it on the record.
MR. COLLECIO: I would like the chief's
opinion on the record of whether this meeting is
safe enough to continue.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director Garcia --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: All right.
There is a motion on the floor and a
second to suspend the agenda.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chairwoman, I will defer to -- since it is a public
safety matter, I am going to defer to the Chief of
Police with respect to whether or not --
THE AUDIENCE: Chief.
(Applause and cheering)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Are you saying you
won't call the vote?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: As I noted,
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Madam Chair, for the sake of public safety because
we are placing the --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Are you going to
call the vote?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
Chair, for the record, as a matter of public safety,
I would like to ask the Chief of Police whether or
not, on the record, we are in any way in violation
of the -- is this a hazardous condition. Is it, you
know, proper to have --
A VOICE: Here is the Chief.
(Applause and cheering)
CHIEF GARCIA: Is there a question?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: It is not a question
from the staff.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: No. This meeting is
being disrupted --
MR. COLLECIO: My question was: In
your opinion, is it safe enough in this room and
outside to continue the meeting over the capacity of
185, with not allowing the rest of the public in
under the Open Public Meetings Act --
CHIEF GARCIA: Right now we are doing
our due diligence to make sure that everyone is safe
in this building and keeping the capacity to its
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limits, whatever that limit is.
If you are telling me it is 183, I
don't even know if that's the number --
A VOICE: It's 189.
ANOTHER VOICE: 189.
CHIEF GARCIA: All right. 189.
They have a -- they have a screening
facility outside that has a counter on it. It
counts every person that is coming in.
I have a number of officers here to
ensure that the aisles are open in case we need any
emergency type of vehicles, like an ambulance or
medical attention in here.
The problem -- the problem that we do
have right now, and I am bringing this to your
attention, is that there is no speakers out there,
and the general public that is out there wants to
hear what is going on in the meeting.
THE AUDIENCE: That's right. That's
right.
CHIEF GARCIA: Excuse me.
THE AUDIENCE: Shush.
CHIEF GARCIA: The issue with that is
that they cannot hear anything that is going on in
here. They want to participate. I can't let them
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in the building because of the capacity in this
room, so there are issues that we had addressed
earlier.
If this meeting must go on, can we look
for a larger venue?
(Applause and cheering)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: This is disrupting
the meeting right now. We've discussed this
privately. I think it is time that we move on with
the Board business.
CHIEF GARCIA: Okay.
But the Board business is going to be
stated at this moment, I will the keep the meeting
going, and I am informing you that if it becomes a
public safety issue, that I will be speaking to you
again on the matter.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Thank you.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Of course. Thank
you.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. There is a
motion on the floor to suspend the agenda. It's
been motioned and seconded, so that we can consider
the letter of need before the election of a
Secretary.
Director?
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EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: If I may
request, who made the motion?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: I made the motion --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I seconded it.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- who was
the second?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I seconded it.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Chairwoman Wefer was
the second.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Okay.
So the motion that you are voting on --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Is to suspend the
agenda --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- is to
suspend the agenda and --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- and switch items
three and two in the agenda order.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Mello, do you want to be the Board
Secretary?
Do you want to be Board Secretary?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: No. I thought you
were asking me a question. I was trying to give
clarification.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: No, no. This is the
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motion to suspend the agenda.
Can you call the vote?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Well --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: This is the
motion --
THE AUDIENCE: We can, we will, watch
us. We can, we will, watch us. We can, we will,
watch us. We can, we will, watch us. We can, we
will, watch us.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Roll
call --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: This is a motion to
suspend the agenda --
THE AUDIENCE: Let them in. Let them
in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let
them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them in.
Let them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them
in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let
them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them in.
Let them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them
in --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay --
THE AUDIENCE: -- let them in. Let
them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them in.
Let them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them
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in. Let them in. Let them in. Let them in. Let
them in. Let them in.
OFFICER: Hey, Guys --
A VOICE: Quiet.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: I can't
hear.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: This is a motion --
Director --
THE AUDIENCE: Let them in --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. We are going
to proceed with the meeting.
If you continue to disrupt the meeting,
you will be removed.
OFFICER: Just so you know -- I don't
need a mike. Just so you know, they have the
authority, one person on the table has the authority
to tell somebody to leave if they are being
disruptive during the meeting --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
OFFICER: -- so all I am saying to you
is: If you don't want to leave, let them do what
they got to do.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
OFFICER: They can't continue the
meeting if everybody is yelling.
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THE AUDIENCE: This is not fair. This
is not fair. This is not fair. This is not fair.
This is not fair. This is not fair. This is not
fair.
(Audience continues to talk at once.)
(Officer confers with the Board)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: So let's settle
down, so we can move on with the meeting.
MR. CAMPOS: May I address,
Chairwoman --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: No.
MR. CAMPOS: You don't want any help?
I am trying to help.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Right now we need to
move on with Board business. I have asked the
officers that if people are yelling out --
(Audience continues to yell and
scream.)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- if you disrupt
the Board meeting by chanting or coming up to the
microphone, we are going to have to have you
removed.
A VOICE: We can't hear you.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: If you can't hear
me, that means you need to be quiet.
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A VOICE: Maybe you can chant.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: There is a
resolution -- there is a motion. There is a first
and a second. The motion is to suspend the agenda,
so that we can consider the resolution concerning
the letter of need.
(Audience yelling at once.)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director Garcia,
please call the vote.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: I am going
to put the volume up.
(Audience continues talking)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, Director,
please call the vote.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: On the
vote --
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: What are we voting
on?
We're voting to suspend?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Yes.
Ms. Waiters, please be quiet --
(Audience all talking at once.)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- Ms. Waiters.
(Audience all talking at once.)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
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Commissioner Mello?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please be quiet.
(Audience talking at once)
(Chief Garcia confers with the Board.)
OFFICER: Close the door.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please come to
order. Come to order.
We are moving on with this meeting. If
you are speaking, I will point at you. I will warn
you, and if you continue speaking, I will have the
officer remove you.
Director?
(Audience talking at once)
A VOICE: We can't hear you.
(Audience talking at once)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Okay.
MR. COLLECIO: Another point of order.
Now, that they closed the door to the
outside --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, please
call the vote.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: What are we
voting on?
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(Audience cheering)
A VOICE: To suspend the agenda.
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Yes.
MR. CAMPOS: Excuse me --
(Audience talking at once)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Folks, we are going
to proceed with the meeting.
Mr. Campos, please sit down.
MR. CAMPOS: Chairwoman, wait for --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Mr. Campos, please
take your seat.
MR. CAMPOS: -- there hasn't -- the
Open Public Meeting Act hasn't been read. It hasn't
been read. I did not hear anybody read it --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please sit down.
Yes --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Thank you. Thank
you --
MR. CAMPOS: -- so this meeting has not
been officially called to order.
So all I want to do is address and get
people to calm down, so we can hear you.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Mr. Campos, thank
you.
MR. CAMPOS: You're welcome.
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So why is the Chairwoman telling me to
shut up? That is disrespectful. That is
disrespectful.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Mr. Camps --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
MR. CAMPOS: Wait one second. One
second --
A VOICE: Quiet.
MR. CAMPOS: -- all of you, let's do
this the right way.
Your voices will be heard if the
Chairwoman so allows. Nonetheless, since the Open
Public Meetings Act hasn't been read into the
record. My suggestion is that the Chairwoman pick a
venue that will allow for everybody to participate
in this meeting.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
MR. CAMPOS: Guys, guys, guys, we want
to make sure this is a safe meeting. We want to
make sure that everybody's rights are protected. We
want to work together, but we need the cooperation
of the Chairwoman. We need her to listen to reason.
We need her to listen to reason.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Now it works.
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Please sit down.
MR. CAMPOS: The meeting hasn't been
called because the Open Public Meetings Act hasn't
been read --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Just because you
didn't hear it doesn't mean it wasn't read --
MR. CAMPOS: Has anybody heard it?
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director Garcia,
there is a motion and a second on the motion to
suspend the agenda, so we can do the resolution
concerning the letter of need before the election of
a Secretary Pro Temp.
Can you please call the vote?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: I have been
calling the names.
Commissioner Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner --
THE AUDIENCE: It's not fair. It's not
fair. It's not fair.
(Audience talking at once)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
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Commissioner Mello, I did not shut the microphone
off. I turned it on.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: I'm sorry?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: I heard you
say that I shut the microphone off. I did not. I
turned that one on.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: I said no such
thing.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: You are
such a liar. You just told Chairwoman Wefer that --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- come
on --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Let's continue with
the meeting. Let's continue with the meeting --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- own up
to it. Own up to it.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- I own up to
everything that I say.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: That's a
lie. You are lying right through your teeth.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Commissioner
Burrell, this is a motion to suspend -- are you
going to call the vote?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: I asked
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Commissioner Rodriguez.
Are you going to do the vote?
Are you going to do it, or do you want
me to do it?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: You can do it.
THE AUDIENCE: It's not fair.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Again, I am
doing the vote. If you want to basically take
charge, or essentially what do you want me to do --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Call the vote.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Okay.
A VOICE: Please call the vote.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Rodriguez?
I think you have answered three times.
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Yes, I did.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Commissioner Davis?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Yeah.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Mello?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Dening?
COMMISSIONER DENING: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
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fair. This is not fair. This is not fair. This is
not fair. This is not fair.
(Chief Garcia and Chairwoman Wefer
confer)
THE AUDIENCE: This is not fair. This
is not fair. This is not fair. This is not fair.
This is not fair. This is not fair. This is not
fair. This is not fair. This is not fair.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Let's settle
down. We are moving on.
THE AUDIENCE: This is not fair. This
is not fair. This is not fair. This is not fair.
This is not fair. This is not fair. This is not
fair. This is not fair. This is not fair.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Officer, please
remove them.
(Board members confer)
(Officer and Board members confer)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Officer.
(Chairwoman confers with officers)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. So the first
resolution concerns asking Hoboken for a letter of
need, so that the Housing Authority can apply for
the FRM-PHA grant through the --
MR. COLLECIO: For the record,
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Chairwoman --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I'm sorry.
MR. COLLECIO: -- members of the public
are being left out of the meeting. Point of
order --
(Audience talking at once)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Sir, please --
MR. COLLECIO: -- point of order,
Chairwoman.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- please step away
from the microphone, Mr. Collecio.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam,
Chair, Madam Chair, a point of order.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, Madam Chair, as the Board Secretary -- as the
Board Secretary, Madam Chair, the speaker is not
working outside.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: There's a lot of
things going on --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- as the
Board Secretary, I have to report that is a problem,
Madam Chair, of the Open Public Meetings Act. Madam
Chair, it is a violation of the Open Public Meetings
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Act.
As the Board Secretary, I am advising
you that the speakers outside are not working. You
are disenfranchising the public of this meeting, and
that is something that I am required to tell them as
the Board Secretary under the bylaws and under my
contract --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I move to table the
resolution concerning the letter of need for our
next meeting.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: I second the
motion --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chairwoman, I cannot hear with everybody talking --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- I second the
motion.
There is a motion and a second to table
the letter of need.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Again,
Madam Chair, excuse me. You are violating --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I'm going to give
you plenty of time to speak.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- what are
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you trying to do?
There is no need for you to disrespect
me in that manner.
Madam Chair, I am telling you as the
Board Secretary, that it is my fiduciary
responsibility to tell you about the current concern
with the fact that the speakers outside are not
working.
Secondly, there is a public safety
issue at hand, and that is my prime responsibility
to tell you that we need to remedy the situation
before you continue.
(Applause and cheering)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: There is a motion
and a second on the floor to table the resolution to
our next Regular Meeting.
Director, please call the vote.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: I can't
hear you.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please, please be
quiet in the back.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Rodriguez?
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Commissioner Davis?
Commissioner Mello?
Commissioner Sanford?
(Audience yelling and screaming)
THE AUDIENCE: Do the right thing. Do
the right thing.
(Officers conferring with Board)
THE AUDIENCE: Do the right thing. Do
the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing.
(Officers conferring with the Board)
THE AUDIENCE: Do the right thing. Do
the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Do
the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Do
the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Do
the right thing.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Director,
please call the vote on the pending motion.
(Officer and Chairwoman confer)
THE AUDIENCE: Do the right thing. Do
the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Do
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the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Do
the right thing. Do the right thing. Do the right
thing.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Call the roll.
Director, there is a motion pending to
table the letter of need resolution until our next
regular meeting. Please call the vote.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
THE AUDIENCE: This is illegal. This
is illegal. This is illegal. This is illegal.
This is illegal. This is illegal.
(Chief Garcia and Board confers)
THE AUDIENCE: This is illegal. This
is illegal.
(Audience cheering, yelling and
screaming)
CHIEF GARCIA: I am going to ask for
order in this courtroom.
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
CHIEF GARCIA: I am going to ask you to
exit this courtroom now and do it in an orderly
fashion, so I can make a determination as to when
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this is going to happen.
Thank you very much.
Kindly go outside through the exit,
please.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
(Board members confer with Chief
Garcia)
(Audience excused at approximately
eight p.m)
(Recess taken)
(The following takes place at
approximately nine p.m)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Is there a motion to
come back from recess?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Motion.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Second.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: All right.
The Director is not here right now, so
I will call the vote.
Commissioner Rodriguez?
MR. DAGLIAN: Madam Chair, you cannot
start the meeting until the members of the public
are allowed back in.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: They are not --
MR. DAGLIAN: They're not coming in?
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CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- they're not
coming in?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: They are going to
let them in in a second.
CHIEF GARCIA: They are being logged
in.
MR. DAGLIAN: They're being logged in?
CHIEF GARCIA: They're being logged in.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: They're being what?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: They're being
allowed in.
MR. DAGLIAN: They're being allowed in.
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: But they have
to get checked by the cops or whatever.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Can we come back
from recess or --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: We're not going to
come back from recess until the people have a chance
to --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Oh.
MR. DAGLIAN: Not if you are going to
discuss any business, the members of the public have
to be present.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay.
CHIEF GARCIA: Unless if you are going
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to call the meeting, I'm not going to call them back
in.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. But I just
wondered if we could come back from recess.
MR. DAGLIAN: It would be better if you
don't come back from recess. That way there is no
discussion.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I thought they were
already letting them back in.
(Recess taken)
(Audience present)
(Audience talking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Folks, let's
come to order. Come to order. The meeting is going
to resume. If you are talking, please stop.
(Audience talking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Chief, Chief --
CHIEF GARCIA: Yes.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- would you like to
say anything?
CHIEF GARCIA: I don't have to --
well, this meeting is going to be adjourned again.
I expect everybody to be orderly. If you are not
orderly, I will have the officers escort you out.
All right?
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I am letting you know now. Enough is
going to be what is required on that fire
department's occupancy, and that is going to be it.
If anyone usurps the meeting, they are going to be
asked to leave.
Do we understand the rules?
Yes?
COUNCILMAN RUSSO: Chief, how is the
Board going to handle the members of the public that
would like to speak that are not in the room
because --
CHIEF GARCIA: That question has to
be --
THE AUDIENCE: Shush.
CHIEF GARCIA: -- I had only heard the
answer -- the question, but I don't have the answer.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Where is the sign-in
sheet?
A VOICE: Right here.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Why don't you pass
it around?
It can get passed outside, and people
can sign up.
(Audience talking at once)
(Board members confer)
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MS. REYES: If they are only allowed to
stand in the hallway, and most people are outside,
because even if they are on the list, they wouldn't
hear that they are being called to speak.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: What we will do is
we will exhaust the list of the people that are in
here --
MS. REYES: They don't know if they
want to participate. They're up here for our
meeting. This is a Housing Authority resident --
CHIEF GARCIA: I can't put anybody
beyond that number.
MS. REYES: -- but they can move the
location --
CHIEF GARCIA: If you want to -- if you
want to leave to allow someone else to come in to
speak, that is fine.
MS. REYES: I would be more than happy
to, but that is not the problem.
This is a violation of our rights of
the Open Public Meetings Act --
CHIEF GARCIA: I understand that
and --
MS. REYES: -- and I hope that the
members are looking at this because they don't
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have --
(Everybody talking at once)
CHIEF GARCIA: If you have any issues,
you know the legalities that you have before you.
Take those issues to those particular areas. All
right?
Right now, I am trying to have everyone
orderly, so we can have a meeting, all right? And
that is what I am asking.
Thank you.
THE AUDIENCE: If you are going to have
a meeting, you make that lady up here --
(Audience talking at once)
CHIEF GARCIA: All right. The other
issue is that --
MS. GUILLARD: Don't speak to my face,
understand? Don't whisper.
CHIEF GARCIA: The problem is that he
can't --
(Audience talking at once and
conferring with Chief Garcia)
CHIEF GARCIA: -- so I have asked you,
so I will make sure that --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Let's bring
this meeting to order.
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Is there a motion to return -- is there
a motion to --
(Audience talking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please be quiet.
Is there a motion to return from
recess?
COMMISSIONER DENING: Motion to return
from recess.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Second --
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Second.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- I second the
motion.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Mello?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Dening?
COMMISSIONER DENING: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Davis?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Yeah.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
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Commissoiner Burrell?
COMMISSIONER BURRELL: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Sanford?
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Chairwoman
Wefer?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Yes.
Before we recessed, there was a motion
pending on the floor with a first from Vice Chair
Mello and a second from me to table the resolution
of need until our next meeting next week, hum --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: The next Regular
Meeting.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- for the next
Regular Meeting, which is next Thursday, so we need
to call the roll call on that.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: The motion
on the floor is to table the resolution of need.
And, Madam Chair, just bear in mind, that there was
a timeline I think, which I shared with you with
respect to that. So just be aware that if the
resolution of need goes first to this Board and then
to the City is not on, we might not meet the
required deadline that Mr. Fox has shared with you.
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CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Thank you, Director.
My understanding is that it is going to
be on the City Council agenda on Wednesday, so I
think that this might be superfluous at this point.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Okay.
So on the resolution on the table of
this resolution: Commissioner Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Mello?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Dening?
COMMISSIONER DENING: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Davis?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: No.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Burrell?
COMMISSIONER BURRELL: No.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA:
Commissioner Sanford?
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Yes.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Okay.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Yes.
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EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Oh,
Chairwoman Wefer.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay.
The next item on the agenda is to elect
a Secretary Pro Temp to consider the resolution for
terminating the contract of Executive Director
Carmelo Garcia.
Director, do you have any objections to
electing the Secretary Pro Temp at this time?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: The only
thing that I would object to is that, again, I did
not get a Rice notice, Madam Chair, with respect to
the resolution that is on the agenda to terminate my
contract --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Right.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- and as
you are aware, my lawyer, which I had requested due
process and fairness to be represented, and he is
not available for -- he had a family vacation, which
he spoke to Thomas Abbate, the lawyer for the
Housing Authority for yourself, requesting that an
adjournment be made for the purposes of having my
representation here. Unfortunately, I can see that
that is not being granted.
And furthermore, as the Board
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Secretary, being the Executive Director, as you
know, and we have gone over this already, but for
the record, we are proceeding with something that --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, you are
going to have ample time --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- for the
record --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, you're --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Wait until --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, you asked me --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, Director,
I asked you --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- you
asked me -- Madam Chair, you asked me a question,
and if you would allow me to finish my answer, then
you would understand what I am saying.
So I do object to the election of a
secretary for numerous reasons.
Number one: I told you I did not get a
Rice notice to have my employment discussed.
Number two: Because the Board
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Secretary is the Executive Director under the bylaws
and per my contract, and because I have not been
terminated or the contract has not been terminated,
therefore, I would technically still be doing Board
Secretary work --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Do you want to call
the roll call on the next resolution?
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, you asked me for my objection. I am sharing
with you my objection, and I am asking you to
respectfully honor my objection under the basis and
on the grounds of again due process and the fact
that the violation of my First Amendment rights, the
violation of the fact that there is no Rice notice
that was given to me for purposes of having this
discussion --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. Thank you.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Madam Chairwoman?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Yes, Vice Chair
Mello.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: I would move that we
call the question on an item that originally
appeared as Item No. 2 and is now moved to Item No.
3 on this suspension of the agenda, and we vote on
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the election of the Secretary Pro Temp taking into
consideration the comments by the Director, I do not
feel in any way that we violated the First Amendment
rights of the Director by having the election of a
Secretary Pro Temp at this time, and I would like to
call the question, please.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: We need a motion.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Motion.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: A point of
order, Madam Chair --
COMMISSIONER DENING: Second.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- a point
of order --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, please
call the vote on the motion to elect a Secretary Pro
Temp.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Is that
Commissioner's Mello's legal opinion?
Is that his legal opinion?
Because I know he is not a lawyer, so I
just wanted to make sure on the record that what you
stated for the record --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, please
call the vote.
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no.
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calling --
(Audience yelling and screaming and
drowning out the Board members)
THE REPORTER: I can't hear you. I
can't hear you.
MR. DAGLIAN: -- I was reiterating the
legal opinion that I had just gave you about an hour
ago. That's all I was doing. I was just
reiterating the same opinion.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: So he was
sharing the opinion that he gave you with me.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Can you call the
roll, please?
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I am calling the
vote.
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no.
(Audience cheering and talking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please call the
vote.
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no any
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I will clear the
room again.
(Chief Garcia confers with Board
members)
(Chief Garcia confers with Executive
Director Garcia)
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Settle down. Please
come to order, so the Board can proceed --
THE AUDIENCE: No.
(Audience continues to yell and
scream.)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- please come to
order.
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Okay. The motion that is on the floor
and that the voting is to be called on is opening
nominations to elect a Secretary Pro Temp.
Director, will you call the vote on
that without commenting?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, I am looking -- Madam Chair, with everything
happening, I am looking for the article relative to
the bylaws and under the Open Public Meetings Act.
I am looking for the article.
Unfortunately, because of the melee
that had ensued earlier and because of everything
going on this evening, I cannot promptly locate
that, and I want to again recite to you that --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- I
feel -- I feel that you are coercing me to do this,
and I am -- I have given my objection on the record.
You are coercing me to do this, and I just want to
be able to --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Mr. Daglian, you
advised us earlier that there was a conflict with
the Director calling the vote on the resolution to
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terminate him.
MR. DAGLIAN: What I had said --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
MR. DAGLIAN: -- what I had said was
that he is -- under the bylaws, the Secretary has to
be the Executive Director. For that resolution, you
may want to have a pro temp, because it is to
certify. But if there is an issue with the Rice
notice, where you can't have -- get the vote on that
resolution, then you cannot -- you should not
because the bylaws say the Executive Director shall
be the Secretary --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: There is no issue
with the Rice notice.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Yes, there
is an issue, Madam Chair. I am sharing my objection
now because you are outright -- you have misspoken,
and you are outright saying something that doesn't
exist right now. Whether or not what you say --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: There is a motion on
the floor --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- I did
not --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- we need to --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
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Chair, Madam Chair --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- vote on the --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- first of
all, Madam Chair --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- you are
obstructing that --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- no, I am
not obstructing.
As the Board Secretary, I have a
fiduciary responsibility as the administrator to
administer the meetings -- as the Board Secretary, I
have a fiduciary responsibility first and foremost
to tell you that there is a public safety situation
at hand. This is a dangerous situation, number one,
and you are excluding and disenfranchising the
public from participating, the residents from
participating in this meeting --
(Audience cheering and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- so you
are excluding them. You are excluding them.
Number three -- number three: I have
given you, Madam Chair -- number three, I have
presented my objections to you asking for a response
on the record as to what I have presented --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, you are
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going to have plenty of time to speak on the
record --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, Madam Chair, you are looking to take an
action on the agenda that I am objecting to as per
the objection --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: And your objection
is noted --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- and I
objected to it.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- please call the
vote on the --
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
Chair --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- please call the
vote. I have asked you ten times to call the vote.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
Chair, don't say that. You are lying about -- you
are lying about that I've been directed ten times.
I am trying to respond properly, which
I have the fiduciary responsibility to do so, and
you are not allowing me.
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You are putting pressure on me. You
are coercing me, and this is what you are doing, and
this is what you have been doing --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. I am going to
call the vote --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Record the vote.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please settle down.
Officer?
Please settle down. The motion and the
second is to elect a Secretary Pro Temp.
I nominate Commissioner Sanford.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: I second the
nomination of Commissioner Sanford as the Secretary
Pro Temp.
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I'll call the vote.
Commissioner Burrell?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, I did not refuse to call the vote --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
(Board members confer)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please settle down.
The Board is trying to conduct its business, and we
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(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: The one that is
yelling now.
You have both been warned.
Please remove them.
Ma'am, I am going to have to have you
removed --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- okay. Please
come to order, so that the Board can continue its
regular business.
The next resolution before us tonight
is the resolution terminating the contract of
Executive Director Carmelo Garcia.
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please come to
order.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Chief Garcia, the
woman in the third row back, she has to be removed.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: I'd like to
make a motion to adjourn this meeting.
(Audience applauding and cheering)
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Second.
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(Board members confer)
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: There is a
motion to adjourn the meeting.
Is there a second?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please settle down,
so we can call the vote.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Is there a
second on the motion to adjourn the meeting?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: I seconded it.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Second.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: James, I was the
second.
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Call the vote.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: I am calling the
vote.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Please settle down
until we call the vote on the motion to adjourn.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: There is a motion to
adjourn and call this meeting to a close or to
continue it at 10:30.
This meeting is potentially --
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- Folks, I am not
going to speak over anybody --
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COMMISSIONER SANFORD: So on the
motion --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- wait.
Ladies and gentlemen, if I could please
ask for your quiet, so that this Board can take a
vote.
For those who didn't hear or weren't
aware, a motion has been made, and that motion has
been seconded to call this meeting, either to
suspend this meeting or move this meeting to a time
certain, but to end this meeting of this night, but
we cannot take that vote if people do not get quiet,
so I am asking the people to please quiet down.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Let me ask you a
question.
Mr. Daglian, can we continue this
meeting?
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: There's a motion to
adjourn the meeting --
(Mr. Daglian is speaking, but the court
reporter cannot hear him with the audience yelling
and screaming over him)
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Motion to adjourn
and reschedule.
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(Audience continues to yell and scream)
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Call the vote,
Baby.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: I will call the
vote.
May I please have quiet, so I can call
the vote?
May I please have quiet?
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
Commissioner Burrell?
COMMISSIONER BURRELL: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Commissioner
Davis?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Commissioner
Dening?
COMMISSIONER DENING: No.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Commissioner
Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Commissioner
Sanford is voting no.
Commissioner Mello?
VICE CHAIR MELLO: No.
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Commissioner
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Wefer?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: No.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
(Chief Garcia confers with Board
members)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director Garcia?
Director, do you wish to conduct this
in open or closed session?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, as you know, again, I have not been properly
Riced, okay?
I don't have my legal counsel this
evening here.
You have a major public safety issue
going on, and for the safety of the residents, I
only ask that, again, as the Board Secretary, as the
Executive Director is still the Board Secretary for
the Hoboken Housing Authority, I would say to you to
do the right thing and vote in conscience and
adjourn this meeting.
And the Chief, I would ask him to
presume that this right is now a major public safety
issue.
Madam Chair, I would ask you to adjourn
this meeting and give me my due process and the
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fairness that I deserve under my employment rights,
under the Constitution, and I would ask that you do
the right thing and adjourn this meeting.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director, do you
want --
(Applause)
(Audience applauding, cheering and
yelling)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- Director, do you
wish to have the resolution discussed in open or
closed session?
I didn't receive the Rice notice back
from you --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, you did not receive any Rice notice from me.
Madam Chair, I did not sign for anything. I was not
given anything, Madam Chair. It was clearly shared
with the attorney, and it was recognized, and I
thought that that tonight would be adjourned on it,
and you are not doing that.
I am under duress at the present
moment, and given the circumstances at hand with
this public safety concern, I cannot think straight
at this juncture to properly represent myself, and I
know you are not listening to me because you don't
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have it in public. I will have this discussion in
public --
(Audience cheering and applauding)
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: We will go into
closed session --
(Everybody talking at once)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Again, this
is part of the process. Let me tell you that I will
have this discussion in public --
(Audience talking at once)
(Board members confer)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Do any Commissioners
wish to speak on this resolution?
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I asked if any
Commissioners wish to speak on this resolution.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, did you acknowledge my response, Madam Chair?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: That you wish to
have this discussion in open session.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: You
acknowledge it.
MR. DAGLIAN: Under the Rice case --
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CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I'm sorry?
MR. DAGLIAN: -- I think he has a right
to speak first before you speak --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I can't hear you.
MR. DAGLIAN: -- I said under the Rice
case, the employee has a right to discuss and speak
first before the Commissioners speak.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Okay. That is fine.
Director Garcia, would you like to
speak first or last?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, again, I don't know what your charges are,
because I haven't been given cause. I haven't been
given charges. I don't know anything about the
reason for the termination. Therefore, I cannot
properly speak, other than reading on the record
what I sent to you earlier today, and I will read
that for the record.
"Dear Chairwoman Wefer" -- "Chairwoman
Wefer,
"I was shocked to learn that you
orchestrated a hearing for my termination without
adherence to the procedures set forth in my
Employment Contract."
(Audience talking at once)
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over a year of litigation of my whistleblowing
claims, you have continued to subject me to, and
escalate, an already hostile work environment" --
THE AUDIENCE: That's right.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- I have
spoken this evening.
"I view this continued escalation of
hostility as retaliation against me for:
"Exercising my rights guaranteed by the
New Jersey Constitution to free political
association without retaliation.
"My public advocacy on behalf of
Housing Authority tenants.
(Audience cheering)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- and
support for improving housing continues to provide
tenants with better accommodations.
"My legal proceeding against Mayor
Zimmer, who you have aligned yourself with as was
documented in the local media.
"Your attempt to wrestle control of the
Hoboken Housing Authority's appointment process for
Mayor Zimmer because the Hoboken Housing Authority
is an autonomous agency with a prerogative to
control its own appointments."
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And you are aware that there have been
numerous legal opinions issued by general counsel
and special counsel advising me that I am the sole
appointing authority. That, in fact, even though
you have violated my contractual rights, you have
breached it over and over.
"My service as an Assemblyman
representing the 33rd District, where as Mayor
Zimmer supported Ravi Bhalla," "who is also your
ally" and friend.
"As I have been wholly deprived of the
rights secured under my Employment Contract, these
circumstances suggest you have an ulterior motive to
obtain my termination."
THE AUDIENCE: Yes, that's right.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: You are
coercing me to participate in this process.
"It is regrettable that such factors
could even affect management decisions in the
Hoboken Housing Authority" --
THE AUDIENCE: That's right.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: --
"especially since I have continuously acted as an
advocate for the public" --
THE AUDIENCE: That's right.
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right.
(Audience talking at once)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: So in
conclusion, please, Madam Chair, I implore you to do
the right thing and, Board Members, to do the right
thing on what is happening here this evening.
That is my statement for the record.
As counsel advised you, because I have not been duly
and properly Riced, this proceeding should not
continue.
(Audience talking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Thank you.
I would like to make clear for the
record that this resolution is to terminate under
Article IX, Section C of the Employment Agreement
between Director Garcia and the HHA, underlying
Section D provides the Board can unilaterally
terminate a contract with 120 days notice --
THE AUDIENCE: No, no.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- under a different
clause, the Board may terminate within 30 days
notice, but that requires a hearing and formal
charges. Only Article IX, Section 3, unilateral
termination with 120 days notice is being considered
tonight.
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Concerning his Rice notice, I sent the
Rice notice to Director Garcia on July 24th to the
Housing Authority offices. I sent it via certified
mail, return receipt requested, and regular mail,
and I do have the return receipt back, so it was
signed for and picked up at the Housing Authority
office by the woman who works at the front desk.
This is an unusual situation because
the Board is conspicuously aware that Commissioners
voting "yes" on this resolution risk being sued.
That threat has been widely disseminated and even
reported in the local paper, so I think it is
important to create a record to memorialize current
HHA conditions and the context that Commissioners
are aware of as we consider this resolution.
The contract at issue, it's not
entirely clear who drafted this contract because Mr.
Daglian has a very sizable claim that he did draft
the contract, and then at the last meeting that he
didn't draft the contract. At the February 2nd,
2013 meeting, Mr. Daglian said that he did.
Regardless of whether --
MR. DAGLIAN: Chairwoman, I --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- he drafted it --
MR. DAGLIAN: -- I have been an
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attorney for 30 years. I have never had any
accusations of integrity or ethics against me. I
will not allow this Board to do that --
(Audience cheering, yelling and
screaming)
MR. DAGLIAN: -- I have always taken
the position that that contract was drafted by Mr.
Garcia's attorney.
VICE CHAIR MELLO: Madam Chairwoman --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: We have the
transcript here, if you want to go into closed
session --
VICE CHAIR MELLO: -- Madam Chairwoman,
may I interject one question directed to our
attorney?
(Audience talking at once)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, can we have order on the floor?
(Audience continues to yell and scream)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Excuse
me --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: The problem with
this contract is that it is, in my opinion, unlawful
on its face. Under New Jersey law, an Executive
Director cannot be given more than a one-year
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contract unless an Executive Director already has
five years of experience as a Housing Authority
Director, an Executive Director with a contract.
When this contract was signed with
Director Garcia, he didn't even have one day.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, a point of order, Madam Chair --
(Everyone talking at once)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- a point
of order, Madam Chair, a point of order -- Madam
Chair --
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: Excuse me,
Madam Chair. He did have experience before because
he was an interim with Mr. Robert DeVincent.
(Applause, cheering and yelling)
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: He was there.
All right?
I don't know where you are getting your
information from, but you are mistaken.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair -- Madam Chair, a point of order on that.
Just for the Board's edification,
number two -- number one, this contract was approved
by the then Commissioner of DCA, Commissioner Gorro
(phonetic).
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Number two: This contract was prepared
by my own personal lawyers at the time, which was
Florio.
And number three: I did have the
experience, plus the graduate degrees with the
accredited time for that. As you know, you
literally are credited when have graduate degrees,
and I had the experience as a Deputy Executive
Director, so all of those factors came into play.
And if this contract was not valid, the Commissioner
of DCA would have never approved that contract nor
would he have signed off on it.
(Applause and cheering)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: So, once
again, you have misspoken, and that is a lie. What
you said is not true --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: But, Director, you
can have as much time as you would like to reply,
but while I have the floor, you don't interrupt me.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, a point of order. Madam Chair, a point of
order --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
(Everyone talking at once)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
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Chair, you made -- Madam Chair, if you make a
statement -- if you make a statement that is untrue,
and given the duress that I have --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Point of order --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- Madam
Chair, and given the duress and stress that you have
placed on me in your decision --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- since I am not
allowed to have the floor uninterrupted by you, I am
going to make a written statement for the record,
and I am going to ask that you call the vote on the
contract --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Are you
denying me -- are you denying me my fair due
process, Madam Chair?
I didn't understand what you just said.
What did you just say? I didn't
understand you.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I said that I was
not being allowed to have the floor uninterrupted by
you, so I am going to submit my written statement
for the record.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, I would like to respond to the point of
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order.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: It is not a point of
order. It's not a point of order --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: But
clearly, and I did have a point of order for
clarification --
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I am calling the
vote.
THE AUDIENCE: No, no, no, no, no.
(Audience yelling and screaming, and
Board members are talking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Director --
Director, is there something more that you wanted to
say for the record?
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, I am confused, Madam Chair.
I don't even know what process you are
voting on right now. Is it fairness or is it
equality?
What are you trying to tell me?
Explain what you are trying to tell me.
(Board members speaking at once)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: You have the floor.
You have the floor to speak.
What do you want to say for the record?
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EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: First of
all, Madam Chair, again, you --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: -- you did
not give me the Rice notice. I asked for this to be
discussed in public.
You are advising me that you are voting
on Article IX, by which in Article IX, removal or
termination, which general counsel two years ago or
a year and a half ago when Former Chairman Stuiver
tried the same thing, clearly went on record and
gave a legal opinion stating the intent for those
closed session minutes, and the intent was that the
120 days for unilateral termination was applicable
to that ending of my contract.
So how are you interpreting now that
article, that you are not giving me an opportunity
at all, you just want to sever the contract under
that article, is that what you are saying?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: That is what this
resolution is that is being passed.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR GARCIA: Madam
Chair, I will refer again to the fact of what I read
into the record, and I will state that I could not
get a representation for this because you have
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denied me that opportunity.
THE AUDIENCE: That's right.
(Applause and cheering)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Mr. Sanford, call
the vote.
(Audience yelling and screaming)
COMMISSIONER SANFORD: Is there a
motion?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: Do any of the
Commissioners wish to speak?
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: Yeah.
I just want to know, and I know we've
thrown this Rice thing at Mr. Garcia. Jake tried to
do, and now you're trying to do it.
Article III, it says what?
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I gave you a copy of
the contract.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: And it says what?
So we are going to cut him off just for
that?
The Rice has not been properly served.
We have an improper meeting again. We are doing
everything, what seems to be illegal as hell in this
place --
THE AUDIENCE: Yes, yes, yes.
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(Audience applauding and cheering)
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: -- and I just
can't figure it out. I just can't figure it out.
You are not allowing him -- are we not
allowing him to -- why do you want him gone?
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: If I could have the
floor --
COMMISSIONER DAVIS: I can't hear. I
can't hear.
THE REPORTER: I can't hear either.
THE AUDIENCE: Shush.
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- if I could speak,
I would be more than happy to put my thoughts on the
record. Director Garcia has been interrupting me,
so I am happy to speak --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: I will continue --
(Audience yelling and screaming)
CHAIRWOMAN WEFER: -- so for the
record, I would like to read into the record the
article number of the certified letter, return
receipt requested, that was sent to Director Garcia
on July 24th and signed for on July 25th. That is
70120470000165970926.
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