Final Years Career Evening
WMS Careers Group
Introduction
• Who are we? – Student lead careers group– Existing members are from every year and
even FY1 Drs (the founders!)– Liaise with Witty Sandle, careers advisor.
• Why are we here?– So we all have access to the same
information– To stop the “rumour mill”
So what is happening tonight?
• Introducing Witty• Jargon busting• MTAS explained (Naomi T)• Foundation training in our Deanery (Mr. Higman)• Career pathways (what does the future hold??!)• Flexible training and training abroad (Dr
Goodyear)• MPS talk• Meet some FY1 doctors.
Jargon Busting!
• What is..?– Deanery: 17 deaneries in the UK and
contain FS (some deaneries are FS)
– Foundation School: Administrative centre for application.
– MTAS
– MMC
– PMETB
Deaneries and FS in the UK• Northern Deanery: 1 (FS) • North West: 1 • Yorkshire: 2• South Yorkshire and Humberside: 1• Mersey: 1• Trent: 1• WMD: 5 • LNR: 1• London: 5 • Eastern: 1• Oxford: 1 • Severn and Wessex: 2• South West Peninsula: 1 • Scotland: 1• Northern Ireland: 1• Wales: 1
= 26 foundation schools
Foundation SchoolsWest Midlands deanery has 5:
– Birmingham North and South(Sandwell General, City, Good Hope and Birmingham
Heartlands and Solihull, Selly Oak, Queen Elizabeth, Birmingham Women’s, Birmingham Children’s & The Royal Orthopaedic)
– Black Country (Dudley, Walsall, Wolverhampton)
– Coventry and Warwickshire(GEH, Walsgrave, Warwick, St Cross)
– Shropshire and Staffordshire (Burton, North-staffs, Mid-staffs, Shrewsbury & Telford)
– Herefordshire and Worcestershire (Hereford, Worcester Royal, Redditch Alexandra)
Importing or Exporting?
• If exporting, produces more students than posts available e.g. London
• If importing, not enough students produced to fill posts
• Information will be available on MTAS website for each foundation school when we apply
Jargon Busting!
• What is..?– Deanery: 17 deaneries in the UK and
contain FS (some deaneries are FS)
– Foundation School: Administrative centre for application.
– MTAS
– MMC
– PMETB
MMC
• Responsible for setting up the new career framework for doctors
• Initiative started in 2003 in response to concerns about “lost tribes of SHOs”
• The new career framework will be discussed in more detail later…..
PMETB
• PMETB – Postgraduate Medical Education Training Board
• Oversee all training of doctors after medical school– Major body putting foundation and specialist training
in place– Allow for improved flexible training, overseas
opportunities
• ‘Control’ over doctors who are currently non-training posts – staff grades, associate specialists
Modernising medical careers: What comes after foundation
years?Victoria Robinson and
Theodora Vatopoulou
F.A.Qs
• When do I apply for run through training?– During F2 (this year in Jan)
• How does application work?– Centralised application, open competition– 2 specialties, 2 deaneries (this year)
• Does it matter what I do in my foundation years? – NO! So don’t stress– But, being proactive in getting experience in your chosen field
may help. • Where to royal college exams fit in?
– Currently under debate– Discouraged in foundation years, may be needed later in training
Specialist training
• Also called “run through training” • Most programmes will be initially broad-based
(eg medicine), becoming more specialty focused over time (eg cardiology).
• Every specialty will have a run-through training programme, lasting from approximately three years in general practice to five – seven years in other specialties.
Specialist Groups for initial 2 years run through training (ST1/2)
• Acute Care Common Stem (ACCS)
• Anaesthesia• Basic Neurosciences
Training (BNT)• Chemical Pathology• General Practice• Histopathology• Medical Microbiology• Medicine in General
•O&G•Ophthalmology•Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery (OMFS)•Paediatrics•Psychiatry•Public Health•Radiology•Surgery in General•Otolaryngology (ENT)*
These are very likely to change before we get to this stage e.g. ENT!
So I want to do medicine….
Exceptions…
• Acute care common stem.
• Neurosciences (neurology, neurosurgery etc)
Both start specialist training at end of F2.
So I want to be a GP…
F1 F2 VTS1 VTS2 VTS3
Application for GPtraining
3x4month jobs hospital
2x3months hospital 6
months GP
1 year GP
CCT
What about general surgery?
F1, F2 ST1 ST2
MRCS
Part 1
ST3 number of years depends on specialty chosen(Probably 3-5 years)
MRCS
Part 2
CareerPosts
Fixed Term Specialist Training
Competitive Entry
Competitive Entry
CCT
Academic Medicine
• Not very clear yet• Not required for career progression.• All physicians in training will achieve generic skills in
research.• If interested in an academic career you can compete
for specific allocated research training posts when in BMT,ST and when in HST (medicine).
• BMT and HST trainees (with deanery/college approval) can apply for time out of a programme to pursue funded research projects, but must return to complete training within a specified time.
Stay up to date!!• MMC website: www.mmc.nhs.uk
– Links to all deaneries, info on application process, FY1 & FY2,
• Royal college websites
• MTAS website: www.mtas.nhs.uk
• Student BMJ
• See WMS career webpage– Follow link from societies page. Loads of info currently being
uploaded. Watch that space!!
Future final year careers events
• Friday 20th October:CSB (instead of SAHD)– 1-2pm Witty and Naomi to talk about the MTAS
application process and what makes a good application.
– 2-3pm Dave Gow from MLP to talk about careers, a free book for everyone (and lots of money for the grad ball!)
• Medical speciality evenings (TBA) all years– Acute medical evening (November 2006)– Women’s and child health (February 2007)
Thank-you!!
• Guest speakers
• Our sponsors– MPS– BMA– Warwick Medical School Development and Alumni
Office
• Medical school office (Mick and Jane)