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Mac-Fest Special Edition y o HI mini'app'les WHICH WHEN WHERE Board Meeting Wed. Oct 2 1402 Concordia, St Paul MacSIG Non Tech Users Mon. Oct. 7 7 pm. Edina Community Center 5701 Normandale Rd., Edina Dakota County Branch Tue. Oct. 8 7pm. St. John Neumann Church 4030 Pilot Knob Rd., Eagan Pascal & Apple /// Wed. Oct 9 7:30 pm. MN Federal S. & L. 31 9th Av. S., Hopkins Business SIG Thurs. Oct. 10 7 pm. MN Federal S. & L. 5320 Lyndale Av. S. St. Cloud Branch Thurs. Oct. 10 7:30 pm Waite Park City Hall 5th Av. & 3rd St. N. REGULAR MINI'APP'LES WEDNESDAY Oct 16, 7:30 Oak Grove Jr. High Bloomington Northwest Branch Tue. Oct. 22 7 pm. MN Federal Bdlg. 8320 42nd Av. N., New Hope Minnetonka Branch & Wed. Oct. 23 7:30 pm. Glen Lake Community Ctr. 14300 Excelsior Blvd. Education SIG. returns! Thurs. Oct. 24 7:00 MN Federal S. & L. 31 9th Av. S. Applesoft BASIG. Thur. Oct 24 7:00 pm. Dcrham Hall High School Rm 218, 540 Warwick, St. Paul Main MacSIG Mon. Oct. 28 Edina Community Center 6:30/7 pm. 5701 Normandale Rd., Edina Twin City Computer Show Oct 31 - Nov 3 St Paul Civic Center MacSIG: Non Tech Users Mon. Nov. 4 Edina Community Center cippkz computer user group newsletter Volume VIII No 10 October 1985 WHAT All members welcome. Note 2. Ready Set Go &/or Page Maker, DOM demo Note location change, Note 16. Bulletin Boards, Note 7. Note 1. Apple Works, Peter Martin Note 10. Note 15 Apple Reps, Apple Office Systems & Fred Weiner of the Connection. Note 2. Modems, Bulletin Boards. Note 12. Note different location this month. General meeting. Note 8. First meeting of Season Paula Craton, 721-1741. Note 6 Pro DOS, Note 17. Micro Soft XL, Note 9. Note location change See ad in this edition of Newsletter Note 16. Business SIG. REGULAR MINI'APP'LES Main MacSIG. North West Branch Thurs. Nov. 14 MN Federal S & L, Lyndale Av. Accessing on line Data Services. Note 10. WEDNESDAY Nov 20, 7:30 St. Paul U. of M. Student Center Theater Mon. Nov. 25 Edina Community Center Tue. Nov. 26 Rockford Road Library SuperCalc 3a, integrated program by Sorcim, Note 2. Note 9. Favorite Games. Note 12. Notes: (See page 4 for telephone numbers) 1. John Schoeppner 5. Mark Abbott 9. Mike Carlson 12. Jere Kauffman 15. John Gammell 2. Dave Laden 6. Paula Craton 10. Dick Marchiafava 13. Stewart Haight 16. Steve Bibus 3. Fred Woodward 7. Bob Pfaff 11. Bill DeCoursey 14. Steve George 17. Tom Alexander 4. Eric Holterman 8. Dick Peterson Branch & SIG Coordinators - Please call Steve Bibus (374-1612) by the 15th in order to have your meeting correctly listed! 4= _5

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Mac-Fest Special Edition

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HImini'app'les

WHICH W H E N WHERE

Board Meeting Wed. Oct 2 1402 Concordia, St Paul

MacSIG Non Tech Users Mon. Oct. 77 pm.

Edina Community Center5701 Normandale Rd., Edina

Dakota County Branch Tue. Oct. 87pm.

St. John Neumann Church4030 Pilot Knob Rd., Eagan

Pascal & Apple /// Wed. Oct 97:30 pm.

MN Federal S. & L.31 9th Av. S., Hopkins

Business SIG Thurs. Oct. 107 pm.

MN Federal S. & L.5320 Lyndale Av. S.

St. Cloud Branch Thurs. Oct. 107:30 pm

Waite Park City Hall5th Av. & 3rd St. N.

REGULARMINI'APP'LES

WEDNESDAYOct 16, 7:30

Oak Grove Jr. HighBloomington

Northwest Branch Tue. Oct. 227 pm.

MN Federal Bdlg.8320 42nd Av. N., New Hope

Minnetonka Branch & Wed. Oct. 237:30 pm.

Glen Lake Community Ctr.14300 Excelsior Blvd.

Education SIG.returns!

Thurs. Oct. 247:00

MN Federal S. & L.31 9th Av. S.

Applesoft BASIG. Thur. Oct 247:00 pm.

Dcrham Hall High SchoolRm 218, 540 Warwick, St. Paul

Main MacSIG Mon. Oct. 28 Edina Community Center6:30/7 pm. 5701 Normandale Rd., Edina

Twin City Computer Show Oct 31 - Nov 3 St Paul Civic Center

MacSIG: Non Tech Users Mon. Nov. 4 Edina Community Center

cippkz computer user group newsletter

Volume VIII No 10 October 1985W H AT

All members welcome. Note 2.

Ready Set Go &/or Page Maker, DOM demoNote location change, Note 16.

Bulletin Boards, Note 7.

Note 1.

Apple Works, Peter MartinNote 10.

Note 15

Apple Reps, Apple Office Systems& Fred Weiner of the Connection. Note 2.

Modems, Bulletin Boards. Note 12.Note different location this month.

General meeting. Note 8.

First meeting of SeasonPaula Craton, 721-1741. Note 6

Pro DOS, Note 17.

Micro Soft XL, Note 9.Note location change

See ad in this edition of Newsletter

Note 16.

Business SIG.

REGULARMINI'APP'LES

Main MacSIG.

North West Branch

Thurs. Nov. 14 MN Federal S & L, Lyndale Av. Accessing on line Data Services. Note 10.

WEDNESDAYNov 20, 7:30

St. Paul U. of M.Student Center Theater

Mon. Nov. 25 Edina Community Center

Tue. Nov. 26 Rockford Road Library

SuperCalc 3a, integrated program bySorcim, Note 2.Note 9.

Favorite Games. Note 12.

Notes: (See page 4 for telephone numbers)

1. John Schoeppner 5. Mark Abbott 9. Mike Carlson 12. Jere Kauffman 15. John Gammell2. Dave Laden 6. Paula Craton 10. Dick Marchiafava 13. Stewart Haight 16. Steve Bibus3. Fred Woodward 7. Bob Pfaff 11. Bill DeCoursey 14. Steve George 17. Tom Alexander4. Eric Holterman 8. Dick PetersonBranch & SIG Coordinators - Please call Steve Bibus (374-1612) by the 15th in order to have your meeting correctly listed!

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0P\ mini'app'lesThe Minnesota Apple Computer Users' Group Inc.,

P.O. Box 796, Hopkins, MN 55343

BoardPresident

Past President

Vice-President

Treasurer

Secretary

Communication DirSoftware DirectorTechnical Dir.SIG Director 1SIG Director 2Branch Director

MembersDavid E. Laden 488-67741215 W. Laurie Rd,Roseville, MN 55113C h a s e A l l e n 4 3 1 - 7 2 7 815718 Hayes Trail,Apple Valley, MN 55124To m E d w a r d s 9 2 7 - 6 7 9 04521 Xerxes Ave. S.,Minneapolis, MN 55410Tom Alexander 698-86331926 Summit Ave,St Paul, MN 55105Ken Slingsby 507/263-3715Route II, Box 182,Welch, MN 55089

Dan Buchler 890-5051Steve George 935-5775Hugh Kurtzman 544-7303Keith Madonna 474-3876Dick Marchiafava 572-9305Mark Gleizer 338-8399

CoordinatorsAdviser - SpreadsheetsBeginners' Consultant ][+Membership Form Distr.Shows and conventionsMembership Co'torSpcl Int - Apple ///Spcl Int. - Applesoft BasicSpcl Int. - BusinessSpcl Int. - EducationSpcl Int. - FORTHSpcl Int. - InvestmentSpcl Int. - MacintoshSpcl Int. - PascalTech. Adviser (hdw)

Mike CarlsonS.K. JohnsonJim RuprechtSteve GeorgeAnn BellDave RasmussenTom AlexanderDick MarchiafavaJim BakerMark AbbottEric HoltermanMike CarlsonJohn SchoeppnerRoger Flint

Branch CoordinatorsDakota County Bob PfaffM inne tonka D ick Pe te rsonN e w H o p e J e r e K a u f f m a nS t . C l o u d J o h n G a m m e l lSt. Paul/Mahtomedi Fred WoodwardLiaison (t) - CP/M Peter GillesLiaison (t) - Geneology Bill DecourseyLiaison (t) - Medical Stewart Haightt To provide contact with non-Mini'apples SIGS

Software Director's StaffApple // Software Editor Steve George

Assistants:DOMsCP/M

r E a m o nIAC-' MacDOM Editor/ProdAssistant MacDOM Ed

Hugh KurtzmanPeter GillesDave NordvallRichard PetersonMark RichardsCurtis Juliber

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Circulation this issue: 1800

This is the Newsletter of Mini'app'les, the Minnesota Apple ComputerUsers' Group, Inc., a Minnesota non-profit club. Articles may bereproduced in other User Groups' publications except where copyrighted byauthor.Questions

Please direct questions to appropriate board member or officer. Technicalquestions should be directed to the Technical Director.Membership

Applications for membership should be directed to the MembershipCo-ordinator: Ann Bell 544-45058325 39th Avenue N.New Hope,Minnesota, 55427

$12 buys membership for one year. New members and persons renewingafter letting membership expire, pay a $5 administration fee. Membersreceive a subscription to this newsletter and all club benefits.DOMs and MSDs

DOMs (Disk of the Month) are available at meetings for $5/disk($8/MacDOM) or any DOM may be ordered by mail for $6.00/disk ($9.00/MacDOM). MSDs are $15/disk at meetings or $17.50/disk by mail. Sendorders to Mini'app'les at PO Box 796 (see above), attention DOM Sales.

Members may have 51/4" DOMs copied to their own media. See classifiedAds for details.Dealers

Mini'app'les does not endorse any specific dealers but promotes distribution of information which may help club members to identify the bestbuys and service. Consequently, the club does participate in bulk purchasesof media, software, hardware and publications on behalf of its members.Newsletter Contributions

Please send contributions on Mac 3 1/2" disks or via telecommunications directly to the Newsletter Editor. Contributions on 5 1/4"disks should be sent to the club PO Box, and marked: "NewsletterSubmission".

Deadline for publication is the 1st Wednesday of the month precedingthe month in which the item might be included. An article will be printedwhen space permits if, in the opinion of the Newsletter Editor, itconstitutes suitable material for publication.Meeting DatesPlease telephone calendar announcements to Steve Bibus - 374-1612.Advertising

Direct Advertising inquiries to our co-ordinator Eric Holterman at:PO Box 8266Minneapolis, MN 55408 612-822-8528

E-Mail: CompuServe, 71445,400

Newsletter Publication StaffDirector & Daniel B.Buchler ..390-5051

Editor 13516 Grand Avenue S.Burnsville, MN 55337

Assistant Jo Hornung 922-7665 Steve Nimchuk 881-8656E d i t o r s R i c k T h o m p s o n

Announcements Kent Edwards 452-4956Calendar Steve Bibus 374-1612Contributing Arsen Damay 933-0399 Steve George 935-5775

Editors Tom Edwards .927-6790Comp ./Layout Joan KistnerM a i l i n g H u g h K u r t z m a n R i c h a r d P e t e r s o nAdvertising Eric Holterman 822-8528

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^ f t AnnouncementsEDUCATION SIGBy Jim Baker and Paula Craton

My, oh my, how summer flew by,and gone it seems to be;The kids are back in classreplete with all their sass

(Complete the poem and bring your entry to the firstEDSIG meeting. We'll read them aloud and a show of handswill vote the winner!)

Just in time, the ED SIG is now reforming to helpmeet the challenges of the new school year. We would liketo focus SIG agendas (broadly) on two critical basic skillareas ~ math/problem-solving and language arts (reading,writing, spelling), as mastery in these areas is soimportantly linked to achievement in other studies, as wellas student self-esteem. We envision EDSIG as a forum for:

- Discussion of CAI experiences, successful andunsuccessful

- Brainstorming new solutions to resistant problems- Looking at promising educational software (including

word processors and LOGO and their variedapplications)- Disseminating information collected on school districtpolicies, plans and activities related to computer aidedinstruction

- Other items of interest to participants.Upcoming topics will include a presentation on

software evaluation and notes on exciting applications ofLOGO in area schools.

Whether you have great experience or little, or are justcurious, come on along. Let's get those classroomsairborne!

Fall / Winter meeting schedule and topics

First meeting:Time:Location:

October 24, Thursday7:30 P.M.Minnesota Federal Savings and Loan31 9th Ave. S., Hopkins.

Business SIG Meetings ResumeNew meeting Location Announcedby Dick Marchiafava

The new meeting location is the Minnesota FederalSavings and Loan located at 5320 Lyndale Avenue South.This is just north of Diamond Lake Road on LyndaleAvenue in south Minneapolis. We have this site fromSeptember through December and will try to reserve it forthe rest of our schedule as soon as the bank will take thereservation.

Meetings start at 7 PM with introductions,announcements and our Question and Answer session. Bringyour questions. Someone at the meeting may be able tohelp you. Bring someone to the meeting with you! Youmay use the bank parking lot. Entry is at the back of thebuilding. The meeting room is upstairs.

December 12January 9

February 13

October 10 AppleWorks - Peter MartinNovember 14 Accessing On Line Data Services by

Modem - Erik CarlsonHardware and Maintaince TipsSoftax 85, A Federal and Minnesota taxpackage for the tax accountant and preparer. Ron Schlangen of SoftaxPanel discussion "The role of Mico-Computers in Business, Past, Present andFuture".

Spring meeting dates are March 13, April 10 and May 15.Meeting subjects not scheduled yet are: RAMDISKS andHard Disks, Think lank, and BPI General Accounting(ProDOS).

FROM THE PCby David E. LadenBoard Activities

The next board meeting is scheduled for October 2,1985 and will be held at 1402 Concordia in St. Paul. Thisis in the Snelling Heating & Air conditioning building andis located between Snelling and Hamline on the South sideof 194. (NOTE: This is a change in location from whatwas published last month.) As usual, all members arewelcome. If you are unable to make the meeting, feel freeto call me or any of the board members with your opinionsand suggestions. Remember, it's your club!

HELP WANTED - Computer ShowMini'app'les will be participating in the Twin Cities

Computer Show October 31-November 3 at the St. PaulCivic Center. Volunteers will be needed to staff theMini'app'les booth at this show. This is a greatopportunity to promote your club and to meet othercomputer enthusiasts from the Twin Cities area (Oh, Ialmost forget to mention, one of the benefits of working atthe booth is free admission to the show the day you work).

If you are interested in helping out at the Twin CityComputer Show, please call Steve George at 935-5775. Seeyou at the Show!

Education SIG UpdateAs you are aware, the Education SIG (EDSIG) has been

in a dormant state. I am happy to pass along the news thatit is now back on its feet with two leaders: Jim Baker andPaule Craton. Jim and Paule have lots of exciting plans forthe EDSIG. See above for additional details and meetingannouncements. Thanks Jim and Paule!

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Announcements (continued)

Education SIG Update (Continued)A note from our previous ED-SIG coordinator, Jane

Chatterjee:"As you may know, I have relocated to Miami. I will beoperating and expanding Conroy Associates, my educational consulting and software business. I really enjoyedmy years in Minnesota and I value the friendships I madethere. I am writing to say THANK YOU to all of you, foryour warm welcome and all your help and encouragement."

iaesiGby Dan Buchler

The two MacSIGs, as regularly reported upon by TomEdwards in these pages, continue and add to their strengths.

Both meetings in October and both meetings inNovember will be at the Edina Community Center. Thebuilding is on the service road to the East of highway 100and South of 50th street. Do jlq± confuse with the PublicLibrary which is on 50th st.

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Give an Advertiser a TryYou might appreciate the service.

(from House of Forms)by Tom Edwards

Sometimes you get just what you bargained for, andthat's just fine.

My printer uses paper (don't they all?) and was gettingto the bottom of the box. Oftentimes you put these kindsof purchases off, hoping that the last sheet will somehowreproduce itself and grow another page just before the endpulls up out of the box. A never-ending supply, likeUncle Sam manages to do with dollar bills.

Not so this time. I resolved to get more of the foldingkind before I tested the possibility that the paper playedhorny games down in the depths of the box. I pulled outmy latest issue of the newsletter to make note of the phoneand address of House of Forms, one of our faithfuladvertisers.

Armed with that info, I called a few days later,somewhere during mid-morning, to check on what they hadavailable, price and hours that they were open. The priceseemed OK, and the quality, as described by the pleasantalto voice at the other end of the line, was scored as topnotch. I said, "Fine, set a box aside for me. I'll try topick it up late this afternoon."

As lunchtime pressed near, and the weather wasbeckoning warmly to come and enjoy the sun, I decidedthat I'd jump to downtown, maybe stretching the lunch houra bit to avoid the crush of quitting-time traffic. It took abit of navigating (I always goof up on those "1st and 1st"kind of addresses. This ends up just a stone's throw northof Hansord Pontiac), but I only circled the block once.

Being early, I anticipated that I would have to wait, butno, the case of paper that I ordered was already at the frontdesk. In a couple of minutes, the bill was ready (withMini'app'les discount) and paid for. The Smalltalk with theclerk got me curious to see what else they had that mightbe of interest to me.

Though the name, House of Forms, suggests paperoriented stock, that's only a touch of what is available.Nosing into a back displayroom, I found all sorts of pens,rulers, labels, tags, tapes and greeting cards, handsomelydisplayed. Really more like a stationery store.

Expressing suprise at seeing all of this othermerchandise, I was plied with a thick catalog of all that isin stock or can be ordered. Desks, chairs, storage units andmore.

As I collected my paper to leave, I was offered a freeplastic ruler to keep as a final momento, and reminded thatif not satisfied, be sure to come back and discuss andproblem that I had with the purchase.

Homey, pleasant, quick, courteous, friendly and more.It was just a case of paper, but I was treated as though I hadthe king's treasury to spend. Thanks, House of Forms.

Cl

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MacSIG: a-ONEMac's Melodic Music

Mesmerizes Many Members'Minds

by Tom EdwardsO hhhhusch! The maestro is ready to begin.

The stage was set for the music program evaluationplayoff. A demanding user's evaluation of the two topcontenders for the title of "Top Dog" in the musiccatagory, sub-division Mac. The house lights weredimmed, as Mike Carlson began the overture at the August26 meeting of the Mini'app'les MacSIG. Dispensinginformation about up-coming events to those gathered atthe Southdale Hennepin County Library, Mike manipulateda slight revision to the normal program to clear the wayfor our reigning concertmaster, Chuck Boody, to comecenter stage (well, maybe a bit off center) and strike up theMacBand.

Chuck has the credentials for this task, with a longand varied career covering music, education, programmingand teaching. One of the programs at an early(!)Mini'app'les meeting was a demonstration by Chuck of themusical capabilities of the Apple ][, an event perhaps moreremembered by a fluky electronic glitch that held up theshow more than recall of what systems were demo'ed. Butfor some, a remake of the event held promise of fun,already wise to the knowledge of what a computer can dowith the musical medium. For "the rest of us", it was achance to gain insight into yet one more talent hiddenwithin this small, funny looking, electronic gizmo.

Beginning at the beginning, Chuck explained some ofthe specs that are contained within the Mac. Mac can"sing" four "voices" at a time. That is, it can sound likean instrumental quartet, or any lesser part of the group ifyou please. That's a Mac limit, which means that you can'tmake it sound like a full orchestra, but it doesn't stop youfrom letting one of your "quartet" set aside one instrumentand pick up another when you need a different sound inyour composition.

Mac's pretty true to the tuning fork, too. With someminor exception at very low frequencies (notes, if youwill), Mac is right on pitch all of the way up to its highestnotes near 11,000Hz. That's close to as high as many ofof our "middle aged" Mini'app'lers can hear. It's in theresponse range of a good table radio, explained Chuck.

What you hear out of your Mac without any electronicassistance doesn't come close to matching its ability.Mac's speaker may be fine to give you a happy little"beep" now and then, or suggest a boom or bang as youplay "Alrborn", but it is woefully inadequate for richmusic. To get the most, you should pump the outputthrough your hi-fi. It won't be in stereo, but will be muchmore enjoyable.

(Our presentation was helped by another electronicgizmo this evening. The Kette Group loaned usMcKnlfty, a device that electronically splits the Mac'ssound output into "stereo" and sends it to a pair of matchedspeakers.)

Prep'ed with this hardware overview, Chuck launchedinto his presentation of the two music programs that hehas been working with; MusicWorks (Hayden, about$60) and Concertware (Great Wave Software, about$70). Many of the things these programs allow you to doare very similar. However, on-screen views andcompleteness of program details differ, sometimes quitesignificantly. For Chuck, the better program in hisopinion is "Concertware", but you might want to testthem on your own. How you use a program, or what youneed from it, may lead you to another choice.

Common to both programs, is the facility to workwith four part music, create, edit, play it back, print it anddetermine just how it sounds by working with the soundwaves themselves.

Some of the features of the programs (though notnecessarily common to both) are:

Fast entry and editing of written music, using keyboardselections or the mouse.

• Watch your music scroll by as it is played.• Bring score into MacPaint for touch-up.• A number of pre-set instrument sounds available, and

editable if you want to change sounds to your liking.Concertware even allows you to create an icon to gowith the instrument.

• Print out of your score, by voice if you wish.• Enter a whole cord of notes at one stroke.

A tough thing for these programs, is the interpretationof your notes into a musical score. Details like stemspointing up or down, how to treat key-signatures and notesthat are sharp or flat, or where to show a measures end canbe troublesome within a complex composition. Theprograms try hard to be consistant, which can make fancythings you want to try come out a bit different than youintended.

Added bells and whistles in the Concertwareprogram give you more flexible control over the entry ofmusic. There is even a "zoom" feature that enables you toget a closer look at the screen, making it easier on theeyes. Transposition, changing the time and instrumentsalso give Concertware the edge. If you want to live

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MacSIG: a-ONE, a-TWO, a-THREE(Continued)

adventurously, it will accept your "playing" the Mac'skeyboard in real-time, and translate it into a music score!There is also a more fuller version coming that will workwith a music keyboard (The Kette Group) for a morerealistic method of entry.

MusicWorks is the "older" of the two programs.That gives it and edge on the base of tunes that have beenrecorded for it (one of our MacDOM's contains nothing butMusicWorks scores.) To avoid being left in the cold,Concertware claims that you can read in songs from "theother program" and convert them to their format.These are not the only possible programs that addressmus ic on the Mac . A p r i cey o f fe r ing ca l led"Professional Music Composer" is designed for theserious productivity of churning out scores that youarrange. Playback of the score as "music" is onlyincidental to the task of the arrangement. ElectronicArts also is making the Vaporware scene with talk of anoffering on the Mac that follows in the vein of their"construction sets" for games and music on othercomputers.

As a sidebar to our music program, Chuck also gave usa taste of another soon-to-be product from The KetteGroup. They are in the process of producing a "sounddigitizer", and Chuck had an example of things to come.With a bit of The Kette Group's electronic gadgetry,you can capture any sound and record it on your computer.Once there, you can manipulate it like any other soundwave. Tonight's example of a car crash was a "smashing"success. There may soon be an album of digitized soundsthat you can play back with a public domain program.Can't you just hear it now? Open a door in Zork and thehinges creak for you... A spelling game for kids where"CAT" gets you a meow and "COW" a moo... FlightSimulator, and the ATC tells you to "Squawk 2400" oryou hear the tires squeal as you touch down at Meiggs andstand on the brakes to avoid a bath in Lake Michigan.

Chuck was rewarded with a hearty round of applause ashe concluded his presentation. Music obviously is asubject that is enjoyed by many in MacSIG. Thanks,Chuck.

Our revamped program schedule for this evening leadus to wind up with Q/A's. We had some diverse questions;if you have any info, share it by writing an article for thenewsletter or attending the next MacSIG and offering yourknowledge:• Modula 2 information: what is it, good or bad?• Have a Profile disk that you want to sell?

HyperDrive has gotten Apple to accept their work asnot voiding the warranty, but there are a lot ofquestions about other "non-Apple" upgrades andApple's policy toward them.• Has anyone bumped Lisa from .5 meg to 2 meg?

• Information on Apple's service training for non-dealerfolks? Someone must be seeing a service needopportunity forthcoming. Our "instant survey"suggested that about 15% of those in attendance haveneeded service for their Mac.

The evening ended with some ad hoc review of the gear thatBoody had set-up and a final round of MacDOM sales. Cl

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Can't Draw a Straight Line?Mac-it!

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by Tom Edwardso! That's not a condemnation... it's the subject of the

MacSIGmtu of August 12, held at the Southdale HennepinCounty Library. Dove Stovall is an architect who has beenfollowing the development of the Mac and severalComputer Aided Design programs that make use of theexcellent graphics of the Mac. Dave has (finally) had theopportunity to actually get his hands on some of theseprograms to try them out. Tonight he shared some firstimpressions with us.

Steve Bibus kicked things off at the stroke of 7:00pm. Mark Richards, our MacDOM editor, reported thatthings were underway for #15, to add to the steady streamof public domain and freeware that the club has assembledfor the Mac. Other announcements touched on the Mac-Fest (late September), and of local hardware types that aremaking a 512K upgrade available for $169.00 (look for afuture report).

Q/A's were on the brief side this evening. Some usershave noticed a few "bugs" in the LaserWriter/Macintoshinterface. Part of it may relate to the dot count...LaserWriter works at 300 DPI and the Mac at about 72 DPI.Since things are not an even multiple, there gets to be ahicup or two thrown in to even thing out and it shows onoccasion. Another questioner wondered how to go aboutselecting a database (reach back a few months in thenewsletter stack... look for "From the Soapbox" from thiswriter for one suggestion).

Dave Stovall was all warmed up at the head table tolead us through some of the programs that he hasencountered in his quest for aid through his Mac. Dave has(tried) to use MacDraw to assist in drawing plans for hisarchitectural business. He probably has some of the firstcopies to sneak out of Apple into BetaLand. Thoughacceptable for some types of "drawing", Dave soon foundthat he needed more specific help including automaticdimensioning, where lines lay on the grid and the abilityto "rotate" a shape by single-degree cranks, rather than a90° flip or flop.

Throughout the many pre-release issues of MacDraw,there have been a lot of improvements, but the programstill is pretty basic and generalized, even with the officialrelease version of a month or two back. Dave wastantilized by the hints of greatness suggested in anotherprogram, MacDraft (Innovative Data Design, Inc.,about $295), and he stayed in touch with the softwarecompany and was rewarded by being able to buy one of thefirst copies out of the slot

MacDraft is a much more complete program forDave's needs. That is evident by comparing program sizeto that of MacDraw. Here's some of the things that helikes:

• Better transportability of the document betweenprograms.• Good documentation covering all of the features in anunderstandable and well presented manner.

• Ability to port-in MacPaint details.• Excellent selection of line types and location on the

grid.• Auto-dimensioning. (Really neat!).• A zoom feature for pickey litte detailing.• One degree rotation.• Automatic, equidistant distribution of elements on a

line.• More logical ways to create circles, including placing

a centerpoint and determining a radius.

Dave has also found some assistance from some otheraccessories that work with MacPaint. Programs likePaintCutter, Cl ickArt Effects and PaintGrabberhelp you move pictures around (even whole pages!) and letyou rotate, stretch, nudge and distort your art in ways thatcan't be done with MacPaint alone. One of those of specialfavor to Dave is Accessory Pack #1, from SiliconBeach, the folks that brought you Airborn.

Steve adjourned the group 'til next month, withappropriate thanks to Dave for an enlighting evening withthe graphic popourri available to the Mac'ers.

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Shrinks «nd Demos,and Things That

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let you carry on a simple conversation with your friendlyneighborhood Macintosh. Eliza turns your Mac into apsychotherapist who will listen to, and analyze, all of yourproblems without you having to pay a single penny!! Juststart typing when Mac asks "What is your problem?"

You can buy software with all that money you'll besaving since you won't have to pay for psychotherapyanymore. We have included on this disk two demoprograms which you can examine. Use these as a trialbefore you buy the real thing. P/C Privacy Demoencrypts any Mac file with a code that you select makingthe file unreadable to anyone not knowing your secret password. Webster's Revenge is an interesting word game.

Please note that both programs are for demonstrationpurposes only and will not include every feature you willget on the released version. If you like what see, buy theprogram and support those Mac programmers out there!!

If you attended the August MacSig meeting youprobably enjoyed listening to the digital sounds of ChuckBoody. If you missed it, in addition to demoingConcertware and MusicWorks, Chuck "played" a couple ofdisks of digitized sound effects. The big favorite had to bethe Car Crash. We have included it on this disk so youcan amaze and amuse your friends. Documentation is onthe disk in a MacWrite file (version 4.5). Read this first toget the program to perform properly.

Hacker Doc-Page Setup will show you how tochange the page setup window so you can easily makelabels and set up different page sizes other than US Letter,US Legal etc. This requires either RMover or the ResourceEditor which can be found on MacDom #14.

Nac-Tab is a utility which will allow you to alternatebetween tabs and spaces in a text file. The resulting text isthen compatible with Multiplan and Microsoft File.

Shazam and Browse are public domain utilitieswritten by Bob Rees of Musicworks fame. Shazam is afast and tiny replacement for the finder when you just wantto select an application to run. Browse is a speedyalternative to the finder when you want to see what files areon your disk.

Three desk accessories are also included on this disk aswell as a new font. The font called Floor Plan is agraphic font depicting stairs, bathtubs etc. The deskaccessory Telegraph is so good that I won't tell you whatit does. Install it yourself and find out! Word Countcounts words, lines and characters in a text file. This willnot work with a MacWrite file. Cube is an excellent 3DRubik's cube. Note that these desk accessories must be usedwith the latest version of the font/DA mover. If you don'thave it see your dealer. It's FREE! Would you like to seemore sound effects on future DOM's? Please let me know.Until next month then...keep on Macing!!

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Signal is published by Semaphore Corporation.It is a dozen or so pages issued each month. Focus of thenewsletter is usually on review of a software program ortwo. Readership often responds with "letters to the editor"that are fun to read for contrasting viewpoints. To get yourcopy, just fill out the coupon below (or a facsimile) andreturn it to the Aptos CA address. Please note that yourMac serial number is required!

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by Tom Edwardsou are just about to the last few sectors, as your buddy

is transferring the latest and best of the public domainsoftware, hot off of the MAUG. Thirty-three minutes ofconnect time, and just one more to go.

And then it happens!!! The disk seems to hiccup...your program jumps out of the "receive" mode... a dialogbox pops to the screen... the message: FILE TRANSFERUNSUCCESSFUL. CARRIER LOST.

YUP! You are the 20455th victim of CALL WAITINGSYNDROME. It's what happens to those of us with "callwaiting", when your "smart" modem tries to answer asecond call, while you are on-line with another call. Youcan always tell which computer/modem users have this"valuable feature" from the local phone company... its theones whose phone case looks like it was driven over withthe car, and the handset is in two pieces, more like thephones from the thirties.

Ma Bell to the rescue! There is a good chancethat you can defeat this "feature", whenever you want, now.Here's what Ma told me to try:

• Prefix your dialing with 1170 (for pulse dialers) or•70 (for tone dialers).

• Continue by dialing the number that you want toreach.

After you dial the "zero" of this prefix, you will get a"fast busy" signal. Don't stop, just keep dialing right onthrough it Ma sez that this will shut off the call waitingfeature if the switching station serving your exchange hasthe proper equipment When you hang up, call waiting willbe reactivated for your next call, unless you cancel it withthis perfix procedure again.

This same prefix can be used for those with 3-waycalling that are already on line with a call but don't want toget that annoying interruption. Push the receiver buttononce, dial the prefix 1170 or *70 as appropriate to yourphone, then press the receiver button once more to returnto your call.

Since adding this prefix to all of the numbers that Idial by modem, I have not suffered from CALL WAITINGSYNDROME.

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An Interview with Andy HertzfeldAuthor of MacPaint and Software Wizard

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edited by Paul HoweJL he following is a summary of a recent CompuServe

Conference with ANDY HERTZFELD. author of much of theMacintosh's internal software (MacPaint and parts of theFinder/System, ThunderScan). C.C indicates variousCompuServe users asking questions of Andy, while A.H.indicates his responses. The questions have been reorderedby topic. You may notice some inconsistencies as torelease dates. Remember, Hertzfeld, as an interested party,can only give hints.

C.C. I'd like to know what is happening with SWITCHERrelease.

A.H. I'm currently on 4.0, which has been thoroughlytested and should be uploaded here and shipped todealers before the end of the month. The Switchersupports a limited form of multi-tasking;applications have to be modified to take advantageof it The new version of ThunderScan can scan inthe background under Switcher now. I'm not workingon it anymore until the fall. I'm planning somemajor enhancements to Switcher in the Fall (diskbased partitions) and a few other things that are tooephemeral to talk about now. (ED note: disk basepartitions could mean Virtual Memory - moreprograms than can actually fit in memory could beloaded. This would need a hard disk to work well.Since this conference Switcher 4.4 has beencirculated).

The CompetitionC.C. With firms such as Atari offering a new, low-cost

alternative to the 512k Mac, what effect do feelthese new machines will have on Apple sales andthe company in general.

A.H. I have an Atari 520 ST and while I'm impressedwith some aspects of it, in general I think it'snothing like the Mac software-wise. The net effectof low cost Mac imitators will probably be to pushthe price of the Mac lower, which is good forthe customers, and maybe even good for Apple.

C.C. What are your impressions of the Amiga, is it amore worthy competitor to the Mac than the AtariS t

A.H. I don't have an Amiga, but I played with one. It hassignificantly more capabilities than theAtari, but it will be priced a lot more expensively.The Amiga's sound capabilities are trulygreat, blowing away both the Mac and the Atari. Ithink software is what matters the most, and bothAtari and Amiga are WAY behind the Mac in thatregard. (Ed note: some local Apple dealers arethinking about selling the Amiga!)

C.C. What is the state of Atari and Commadore softwarecompared to the MAC'S when new?

A.H. From what I've seen, both the Atari and Amigasoftware is in the same state Mac software was in inabout early 1982; i.e., its' got a long way to go.

Macintosh FuturesC.C. the AMIGA (Commadore) and the 520ST (Atari) are

both color. Any chance of the Mac having colorsoon

A.H. Eventually be a color Mac, but not until thesecond half of 1986 at the earliest

C.C. Is there any chances that we see a Color Mac beforeJan 24 86? And also what about Screen buffer size?

A.H. I don't think you'll see a color Mac anytime at all in1986, really. I'm not sure what you mean aboutscreen buffer size; I think there's a good chanceyou'll see a black and white Mac with a biggerscreen and more dots in early 86. (ED: note thatAndy is inconsistent on timeframe.)

C.C. What would you envision as Apples next MAJORmove with the Mac, color, open box, or size ofscreen.

A.H. I think color is the least likely of the thingsyou mentioned. There are degrees of "open box"; it'scertain the next Mac will be more openhardware-wise, but I'm not sure by how much. Abigger screen is real easy to do and it's likely thatyou'll see a variety of screen sizes.

C.C. There has been much speculation about the nextversion of the MAC having a 68010 or a 68020Processor. Comment on the possibility and arethese processors capable of being compatible withthe 68000 (upward).

A.H. Exception handling is different on the 680010 and680020 so there can be some compatibilityproblems. The new (128K) ROM will becompatible with both the 010 and 020 buteverybody's applications may not be. Thetruth is that Apple has at least 3 candidates for the"next Mac" under development so its hard to saywhich ones will be for real. (Ed note: the Mac usesa Motarolla 68000 computer chip. The 680010/20are newer, faster and more powerfull versions.)

C.C. Is there any chance us number crunchers will be ableto turn in our VAX's for a MAC with a co-processorsoon

A.H. I've seen machines on the drawing board that have asocket for the Motorola math chip; it's alsopossible to do a HyperDrive-type math chip productfor the current Mac. (Ed note: a co-processor is aspecial computer designed to do scientific computations much faster than a standard computer chip.

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Will the finder in ROM hurt those with non-Apple512K and/or Hyperdrives? (ED. Note ROM = ReadOnly Memory - this is where the Macintosh keepsoften used instructions like the Toolbox. Apple isplanning on increasing the size of the ROM from64K to 128K.)The Finder will not be in ROM in the 128KROMs. Most everybody will be able to easilyupgrade to the 128K ROMs since all Macs havesocketed ROMs.Just what will be on the 128K ROM? Why was theSystem and Finder disk-based? Time limitations?The Finder is disk based because we knew we didn'thave it right yet. There were also severe spacelimitations. We tried to put the most importantstuff in the ROM. By the way, they're out of spaceon the 128K ROM now and might have to leavesome planned stuff out. It's funny how you neverhave enough space.What performance improvment is probable with newROMS and where?The resource manager is the single place that wasspeeded up the most. Beleivc it or not, butQuickDraw was significantly speeded up, too, as wellas a bunch of other places. It's difficult to say sinceevery application does things a little differently, butnew ROMs coupled with the new 3.5 drives cutapplication launch time at least in half, usuallymore. (Ed note: Resource Manager- controls gettingthe various items needed by a program/applicationlike fonts, instructions into the Mac from the diskdrive, and taking them out of memory when nolonger needed. QuickDraw is used to write text andgraphics to the screen.)If I do my own [memory] upgrade is Apple going tosupport me on the ROM upgrade and do you haveany idea what the approx cost of the ROM upgradewill be?If you upgrade to more than 512K, make sure tokeep the screen at the top of the address space.Apple will try to sell the ROMs as cheaply as theycan. Since the ROMs will cost Apple around 20dollars, I would expect them to sell for around 60dollars or so.Can you reveal any specifics about the contents ofthe additional space in the new ROM(s) - willsystem resources like Chicago FONT, MDEFs,WDEFs, CDEFs be in silicon?The new ROM isn't frozen yet, so things are subjectto change, but I would expect the Chicago font (butno other fonts), WDEF 0, MDEF 0, CDEFs forbuttons and scrollbars and most of the PACKS to bein the ROM.

Doing You Own ProgrammingIn your opinion... What is the best developmentsystem for the Macintosh, and WHY ?'A lot depends on what languages you like and yourpersonal working style. I write all my programs inassembly and use the MDS system (Macitosh

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Andy Hertzfeld (Continued)Development System) I expect the forthcoming"MPS" system from Apple (which includes a C andPascal compiler, as well as an assembler) to be themost popular environment if it ever gets finished.What are your thoughts on NEON! by KriyaSystems?Neon is an interesting idea, but good languagesystems take a long time to mature and theirs is stillin its very early stages. I think it's not yet apractical environment for commercial programming,but is interesting for fun. (Ed note: Neon is aprograming language related to Forth.)A simple question. What is the status ofMacBASIC and is Donn Dennman still writing it.MacBasic is all finished (finally). The only holdup now is Apple trying to decide if its worthreleasing it, given the fact that MicroSoft Basichas gotten fairly good and the headaches involved inmaintaining and supporting a new programmingenvironment. (Ed note: recent articles indicate27,000 copies of books on MacBasic have beenpublished - MacBasic is still on HOLD. Word fromother sources suggests they may never release it)Will the Lisa SmallTalk find its way to the Mac?Lisa SmallTalk should be available for the Mac,since Dan Ingalls, the world's leading SmallTalkexpert, has been working real hard on it I've seenit running on a 512K. Mac, but I'm not sure what themarketting plans are. (Ed note: prerelease versionsare available from Apple for $50.00 on seven!disks).I'm shopping for C compiler...can you recommendone?Most people I know use the Consulair C compiler.It does not generate very tight code, but it is fairlymature and is well interfaced to the Mac system.Apple has a C compiler that should be released aspart of the MPS development system, but itscurrently vaporware.Latest release of Consulair Mac C generates codeabout as good as any of the other native Mac Cs butit doesn't come close to Workshop C.Are there any planned updates to MacPascal that willmake it easier to use the toolbox or that will permitmore sizable applications.If you mean the interactive Pascal from ThinkTechnologies, yes, they are currently working on a"developer's version" that should be quite practicalfor writing large applications. It will have theoption of generating native code, while retainingit's unique interactive flavor. Last March they saidit would be ready in the fall, but I haven't heardabout it recently.

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Disk DrivesWhat do you know about Haba's double sideddrive and why isn't any body at Apple rushing toget one out?I haven't seen or tried Haba's drive, but I wouldavoid it as its sure to be different than Apple's.Apple's double sided drive is great, it seeksand changes speed much faster than the oldone. They are rushing to get it out but they are abig company so things often seem to move slowly.

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I would expect it to be available around theend of the year, but don't quote me.Any word on the 20 meg hard disk that plugs intothe disk-drive port, how can we get info?Apple has announced the 20 meg drive that plugsinto the disk port. They realize it 's veryimportant to get it out ASAP so they're workingreal hard on it now. It will use the newhierarchical file system loaded in RAM, becauseit will be out before the new ROMs are available. Aconsequence of that is It will only run on512K or bigger machines. More info shouldbe available in the fall. (Ed note: the hierarchicalfile system is needed to allow more files on a diskwith out slowing down the Finder. By connectingthe new disk drive to the external disk drive port, itshould be faster.)Apple has announced an October shipping date forthe 20 Meg drives... did you mean earlier then thatthe ROMs would be out after thatYes, the hard disk is currently supposed to come outbefore the new ROMs, so it will run the new filesystem in RAMDo you know when and how info will be availableabout the new hierarchical file system? Willsoftware supplement purchasers be getting a newFile Manager chapter of Inside Macintosh?THANKS in advance!Info on the new file system should be available todevelopers through the normal channels pretty soon.The new file system is compatible with the oldexcept for people who follow the FCB list (the FCB,File Control Block, size is different) or read thedirectory themselves. Most software will run justFine because the "vRefNum" will mean the workingdirectory instead of default volumeWill there be an upgrade to replace the internal drivewith Apple's double sided drive (800K)? I'veheard there might be heat considerations.Yes, there will be an upgrade to replace the internaldrive. It will be optionally bundled with the newROM so you only have to open the Mac up once. Itwill be available in the same time frame as the newROMWill there ever be an Apple Profile that can hook upto both the Mac and Apple II.I think the new 20Meg external drive from Applewill be capable of doing that, since it interfacesthrough the IWM (Integrated Woz Machine), whichis common to both Mac and the Apple ][. All itwould take is a driver for ProDos and probably someProDos -> Mac conversion software that I thinkthey're already working on. One of the advantagesof the recent re-organization is that things like thatshould be much more likely to happen.I just heard a rumor that a 24-pin Imagewriter II with2-3 times the throughput of the Imagewriter is in theworks. Care to comment?Yes, it's true, except I'm not sure how manyelements are on the printhead. It is considerablyfaster and does have much nicer print quality.

Well, lots of grist for the rumor mill. By the time you readthis Apple will have had a Dealers meeting, presumably tobrief them on upcomming announcments. Perhaps Applewill have told the world at the MacFest! p-V~

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by Steve GeorgeSeveral of my pleas for help regarding both Public and

Personal Domain software are beginning to pay-off. Wereceived the following 3 Personal Domain disks from EdThompson of the Denver Apple Pi user group. In returnthey got 3 of ours. Sometimes its so easy, other times sohard. A couple of groups haven't bothered to respond atall; even after 5 months, 2 letters, sending them disks, etc.In the long-run however, they will be the ones to suffer.Which is too bad because we're all in this together. Themore we help each other, the more we enjoy ourassociation with a user group (ours or THEIRS). EOS - endof sermon.

Due to the fact that this is the October issue and wehave new people joining Mini'app'les at such a rate, Ithink it might be important to review the following (in noparticular order). We do not knowingly publish anysoftware that is copyrighted without prior permission ofthe author or copyright-holder. If you notice anything thatseems to be contrary to this stated position, please bring itto our attention so that we can rectify the situation.Personal Domain disks "are fully copyrighted by theauthor/company stated and we are encouraged to make thesoftware available to our membership. The member priceof the disk is not the purchase price (unless the authorrequests no additional fee). Normally, an additional fee isrequested and the additional payment is sent directly to theaddress given on the disk. Payment makes you a legal userof the software. Additionally, sometimes you may receivethe latest version, notice of program updates or newproducts, full documentation, etc. These are benefits ofhaving been honest enough to pay for the software if youcontinue to use it. As always, we are interested inprograms that you have written which you think othersmay enjoy or find useful, too.. They needn't be'professional' but it sure helps if they work (!) and havesome sort of documentation included (a text file, profuselyREMed BASIC programs, etc). Whether its your firstattempt (we all start somewhere!) or a finely-tuned,optimized-code routine, we're here to see that your creationssee daylight EOL - end of lecture.

Master Chart (dos format)Ever needed to create a quick Bar, Pie or Line Chart?

Wouldn't it have been nice to have some way to write onthe chart? How about custom characters/symbols? Thenthere's always custom/automatic color fill. Want 3-D Baror Pie Charts, hey, no problem!

This can be a handy little charting package. Its worstfault is that data points must be entered from the keyboardand Pie charts seem to be limited to 11 data entries. Thereis no provision for reading a Text file or DATA statements.Oh, sure, you can change it to do those things, but as itcomes, uhuh. Oh, there isn't a printer dump built-in either.If you have a graphics interface card for your printer it maybe a map, I don't know about such things, yet. But the

attached charts were saved to disk from within the programand subsequestly 'dumped' using The Printogrpher; so it canbe done (even with a 'dumb' interface like mine).

The program is menu driven and 'help screens' aregenerally available. The startup screen says that what youget for paying for the program is the documentation! Docwould definitely help you get under way. But as you cansee, even without the doc, it is very useable.

Master Chart (c) 1983 Spectral Graphics.Requested fee: $17.95.

Examples of Chart Output:2-0 AUTO COLOR FILL PIE

,j!§li 5 | H ltwIHimmF

3-D OUTLINE PIEChD hFRrpi HAYLu'J JLiHC03 JULm AUGLb J SEPEG3 OCT

2BB

iflu

WRttlLWESTERN

BLQCKBOLDBOLD

SPECIALSHAPES

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ieHYPOTHETICAL

3-D SOLID BAR CHART

D0M

SALES

APR HAY JUN JUL AUG SEF OCT

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Continued

Eve Terminal ProgramV2.1(D0S format)

A communications package for the ][, ][+, & lie for usewith the Hayes MicroModem II or He. (Also appears towork well with MM compatibles like the ZOOM/ModemHe.) Supports most 80-column cards including the M&RSup'rTerm and Apple 80-col card, and the shift key mod onthe ][ & ][+. Supports XMODEM protocol.

Features supported:• Originate and answer modes.• Pulse (or TouchTone with MM He).• Full DOS facilities, incl new 'LIST' cmd.• Send/Rcve: Text A'Soft, Integer or Binary files using

XMODEM file transfer protocol.• 'LIST' a Text file to modem using XON/XOFF or Send

Lines Protocol with or without linefeeds, to Printer orto Screen.

• Capture incoming Text data to buffer (holds over27,000 characters) and SAVE to disk or dump directlyto Printer.

• Create messages off-line, SAVE to disk, then sendonce on-line.

• Common data formats: 7/E/l & 8/N/l.• Simple user interface with multiple error trapping.• Full control of linefeeds, upper & lower case chars, and

duplex.• Full 80-column support (80 col card optional).• Works with Pronto-DOS, Diversi-DOS, and DAVID-

DOS

Full documentation is on disk including a 'ReferenceCard'. Bob Baker, the author, says that a newer versionwith significant improvements is available to purchasers ofthe software. He's also working on one for externalmodems (SmartModem compatibles) and the Super SerialCard interface. [ENCOURAGE HIM!! Apple lie ownerscould really use someting like this!]

Eve Termial Program (c) 1985 Micro Applications, Inc.Requested fee: $30.

[PS- If you know of a Personal or Public Domaincommunications package which will work with an externalmodem and a Super Serial Card, we'd sure like to hear aboutit].

The Font Machine(DOS format)

If you are lucky enough to own one of the newer typesof printers, you may have the ability to 'download fonts'.This disk will allow you to create an alternate character setwithin your printer. Switching between the two sets

(normal/alternate) can be done within software, your wordprocessor, etc.

Version 1.5 of TFM works with the following printers:Apple DMP, Epson FX series, and Prowriter 8510A. Theinterfaces supported are: generic parallel, Grappler/+, andApple Dumpling. There is an outline of a driver for theSuper Serial Card too.

Twenty fonts are included on disk, including: Roman,Cyrillic, Upside Down, Gothic, and Outline. Ten helpscreens complement the package.

The Font Machine (c) 1983 CE Software.Requested fee is $15.

Examples of Font output:

T h e G O T H I C f o n t .! "#$%«' () *+, -J/8123456789 : .; (»>?§AB€D£F

The GRAPHIC, font .t t $ C k + - T 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 * - i l " a D k i * O \

T h e G R E E K f o n t .! "#m'C >* + »-] ^0123456789= ;<=>?"ABrAE*

T h e K ATA K A M A f o n t .D rj-. '37i ■}i*t>aa-y-7mm97:]!Ji;3t!y9*,!/Tr- + :

The MIRROR font .!"#*.<;} ' )<*+,-. \QlSSt^dT3P: i>s<c§f la003^

T h e O U T L I N E f o n t .!"*$%& '<)»+,-./ei23456?89. \i = ▶ ?*flg@Bi|i?

T h e P I N O C C H I O f o n t .!n#S%5' <>♦ + , -./0 323956783: ; «=»?@fiBGDEir1 Mt*5S*' <)*+.-./Q1234S6783: ;<=>?@ABCDEF

T h e B Y T E f o n t .! »US%£,' < )* +, - ./0123LJSE7B3 : ;< s> ?Dfi0CDErT

T h e C O L O S S A L f o n t .!"«Sxi>€>*♦,-./(H234S6789:;<=>?|ABCDEF

T h e C O U N T f o n t .!"1t#X6''0*t,-J/61 £3456789: \ <:>?GHBCC£f

T h e C Y R I L L I C f o n t .! ""bSH&'C >m3>-./0123456789msa = u?hAS,-iaE*

The ESPERANTO fon t .!Bt tX4'<)#+,-J/0123456789:;<=>?ifiBCDEF

T h e S L A N T f o n t ./ "■#$%£ ' <:. >$♦,-. /Q teSHSBlBH ■■ :■ < = > ? *#££&£f

T h e S T O P f o n t .!"»$%£? 0«+, -. /0123456789: !«=»?*ABCDcF

The UPSIDE DOWN fon t .i..#m.O* + ',-,\GIS3^£PA8a:-< = > ABODES:

Looking forward, the next few months are going to beexciting. Seven disks are being reviewed that will bereleased over the next 2 months! The quality of thesoftware looked good enough that I felt 'formal' reviewswould help us all better understand what they're all about.Look forward to: pre- & elementary school-leveleducational games, a teacher's grade book, more help withamper-routines, lots of LOGO stuff, more EAMON (theadventure never ends), etc, etc. WHEW!! EOS - end ofsteve.

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DOM 34 Bugby Thomas Ostertag

I recently received a call asking about one of theutilities that I wrote on DOM 34, WPL.SECTORS, thatdetermines the number of free sectors on an AppleWriterdisk. The problem comes when Free Sectors on Disk ischosen for the DOM disk. When I wrote the utilities, therewere no comment lines in my catalog. The Catalog Logohas some "files" with 000 sectors in them to pretty thecatalog. My WPL program gags on the 000 and hangs.You can fix the bug fairly easily. Load WPL.SECTORS andinsert several lines as shown below.

Here is the section to be altered as it is:

loop2pls#&@ (x)@&(&n=$dpsy $dpsz +(y)psx +1pgo loopl

lendp. . .

Here is what the section should be:

loop2pls#&@(x)@&(&n=$dp c s / $ d / 0 0 0 /p g o n u l l s k i ppsy $dpsz +(y)

n u l l s k i ppsx +1pgo loopl

lend

Add the lines and save the program under the samename. The program will now determine the number of freesectors, but the comment lines in the catalog will becounted as files, which they are, so to speak. Havepatience with the program. It will take about 90 secondsto determine free sectors on the Master. Anyway, this is agood excuse to get in there and play with WPL.

By the way, if anyone is running the utilities in 40-columns, would you please give me a call. (488-9979)

ClAPPLEWORKS

Mailing ProgramA Review

by Eugene WhitehousePublished in SOFTDISK Number 44

Submitted by Tom OstertagThere is a terrific program that does a true mail/merge

on AppleWorks files, and does it very well. It is called theAPPLEWORKS Mailing Program, and is distributedby the International Apple Core. The program itself wascreated by Apple Computer, Inc., and is distributedexclusively by the IAC.

This program enables you to place different names andaddresses at the beginning of the letter and to customizelines and insert specific information within the body of theletter. It will merge as many records as you have in yourdata base and will close up lines if some of your records donot contain a certain entry.

Everything looks exactly as it would if printed fromAPPLEWORKS, and the program is used fromAPPLEWORKS-style menus. Full documentation isprovided on the disk, in three APPLEWORKS wordprocessing files, and the whole program is unprotected andwritten in Applesoft BASIC!

In short, you take your data base file and print it to atext (ASCII) file on a disk (from APPLEWORKS). Then youtake your word processor file, put [MERGE] and a numberwherever information must be inserted from the data base,(each insertion can be different for each letter printed), thenyou print the letter to the disk. When you run themail/merge program, you give it the names of these twofiles, and the number of records in your data base, and itdoes the rest, flawlessly!

I have no reservations in recommending this programto anyone who is looking for an APPLEWORKS mailmerge, and it costs only $30.00, or $25.00 to members ofthe InternationalApple Core. Their address is 908 GeorgeStreet, Santa Clara, California 95054. Orders are accepted at(408) 727-7652 with charge cards. I hope you find itu s e f u l a n d h e l p f u l a s I d i d . ^ %

N.B. Peter Gilles is collecting names of people who\ /wanted this program.

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Apple lie - HeRAM Board

Comparisonby Dick Marchiafava

In the last 6 months high capacity memory boardshave become more important as expansion devices forApple lie. One reason is the modifications which theAppleWorks expand utilities furnished with these boardsperform on working copies of AppleWorks. Anotherreason is the falling price of memory chips which allow"after manufacture" addition of memory to these kinds ofboards. Also the capability of using these huge memoriesas RAM drives to speed up operations with other software,where possible.

In the fast moving micro-computer industry developments and new items are released at a furious pace. Onceavailable, improvements to the new items are made at apace no less rapid.

Some new items deserve a detailed examination. Thiscan be difficult because of the rate of change which occurs.However, I will attempt to make comparisons of featuresand software for Applied Engineering's RAMWORKS andCheckmate Technology's MultiRam. Until these productsstabilize I will attempt to keep current the comparisonchart. Keep in mind that the comparison is only valid asof today, Sep 2, 1985, and is not guaranteed to beabsolutely correct.

The companies whose products are being comparedmake memory expansion cards for the Apple lie and lie. fl

M i n i ' a p p ' l e s S o f t w a r e D i s k sMSDs

2 Great Di sks:

• Mlni 'Scrlp Checkbook Financial System - MSD#1. A home and small business checking andaccounting package by Leighton G. Siegel.

• H igher Tex t Ex tens ions - MSD #3 . Conta insHigher Pr int by Dan Buchler, Message Makerb y C h a r l e s C . B o o d y a n d H i g h e rWord-processor by Don Hagberg.

H i g h e r P r i n t p r o v i d e s a h i g h d e n s i t y p r i n tcapab i l i t y w i t h a se lec t i on o f f on t s and morei f y o u o w n H i g h e r Te x t f r o m A . P. P. L . E . T h enews le t t e r heade rs and l ogo a re p r i n ted w i t hHigher Text .Message Maker requires that you own HIGHERT E X T. I t s e r v e s a s a t o o l t o c r e a t e a n ddisplay, on your screen, messages which scrol lu p a n d d o w n , l e f t a n d r i g h t a n d d o o t h e ru s e f u l t h i n g s .H igher Word Processor I s a easy to use l i neo r i e n t e d t e x t e d i t o r s u i t e d t o l e t t e r w r i t i n ga n d e v e r y d a y h o m e u s e . I t i n t e g r a t e s w i t hHigher Pr in t .

All MSDs are available at meetings, to memberso n l y , f o r $ 1 5 , o r b y m a i l f r o m T e r r ySchoeppner for $17.50. See class if ied ads.

Apple lie RAM Board ComparisonF e a t u r e Z - R A M l i e MULTIRAM C

CardM e m o r y s i z e 2 5 6 K 265KE x p a n d a b l e t o 5 1 2 K 512KR u n C P / M Y e s NoAppleWorks Desktop@ 2 5 6 K 2 2 9 K 229K@ 5 1 2 K 4 1 3 K 413KSuggested retail @ 256K

S399.00 S329.95@ 512K from Mfg.** S479.00 S429.95

** RAM installed by a dealer may result in ii lower cost

The Z-80 microprocessor on the Z-RAM results in aprice which is S69 to $49 higher. This is a good price topay to be able to run CP/M. It is an additional cost if onedoes not want to use CP/M.

The other characteristics of these boards are similar tothe boards for the lie. See below.

Apple lie RAM Board ComparisonF e a t u r e R A M W O R K S It* M U LT I R A M / / e

Memory size 512K 768K

Memory with add-on 1024K 1536K (to be released)2.SM (announced) May be part of RGB

option board80 Column Yes YesRGB Option Yes To be released,Co-processor Port Announced September releaseWarranty 5 year 5 yearMemory mapping ? PAL, up-gradcablcAppleworks Expand Included X Included

AppleWorks Capalj i l i t i c s A t 512K

Load entire program Yes YesWord processor S100 lines 2250 linesDatabase 5000 records/file 5350 records/fileSpreadsheet RAM dependent,

bug in expandmay limit size X

RAM dependent

Expand Desktop based Yes Yes on available memory

RAMDISK software $29.00 Included with expand diskProDos, Dos 3.3 Yes YesPASCAL Yes In alpha developmentCP/M RAMDRIVE S29.00 In beta developmentSelf test RAM No Yes, includedSelf test 80 Col Yes Yes, includedRAMDRIVE capable of Yes September releaseSlot/Drive emulationVisicalc lie expand $29.00 No. Use DIF files to

transfer

The board cost is similar for the basic cards for theApple lie and remains the same up to 512K of dealerinstalled memory. With 768K of memory installed theMultiRam would have a cost ratio advantage of 3 to 4 perkilobyte.X Version 4.1 of AE's Expander disk has a bug which does not

allow the user to choose loading all of AppleWorks or not. Itmodifies the program to load it all regardless of user choice.This version will not recognize and list correctly the recordnames in files loaded from QuickFile. It lists about half of therecord names. A bug in the expanded spreadsheet limitsspreadsheet size al about Column BJ. Cr

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Blinded by the Light

H

A Review ofD.R.S./Lifesaver

by Steve Georgeave you ever read a software review that praised a

package so much that you thought for sure the reviewermust have gotten sunburned? That it was described in suchglowing terms thatsurely the reviewer was blinded by thelight?

Well, I've purposefully not mentioned a particularpackage before this, because my enthusiasm for it hasalways over-powered my objectivity. Still the case, butapparently the market place hasn't been too kind to it, sohere goes... but first, break out the sunglasses and lotion.

What higher praise can you give a piece of softwarethan to recommend that others purchase it? In just the past3 months I've recommended that two friends buy a copy(they did) of Disk Recovery System (Sof-Sys) also soldunder the name Lifesaver (MicroLab). Apparently it didn'tcatch on like it really should have, because its hard to findit Ifyou do find one, carefully remove the dust from thepackage and guard this disk with yourlife! Because it willrepay the favor many times.

I bought D.R.S. when it was first available throughSof-Sys and it had a list price of $100. Even at that priceif it saved your life once or twice it was a bargain. Butnow I guess it lists for something like $24.95 (MicroLab)and can be had for less (if you can locate it).

So what do it do? Well, it will back-up unprotecteddisks which are worn, have a bad VTOC, bad T/S lists,exhibit pronounced I/O ERRORs, etc. Basically if your lasthope is to re-INIT a disk and re-key inyour 20,000 namedata base, you're a candidate for D.R.S./Lifesaver ! If yourone-and-only disk full of vital info wasn't centered in thedrive when you INITed it and SAVEd your data, you're acandidate. If you've ever hit RESET while writing to thedisk, you're... You get the idea. Its for all of us who everhave troubles with our standard Apple disks!

It won't work with protected disks, but what it does forDOS 3.3, ProDOS, Pascal, CP/M, Fortran disks is just shortof miraculous.

D.R.S./Lifesaver (itself well (?) protected), askswhether you have drives connected to slot 6. When youinsert a blank disk/erasable disk when requested, itdetermines the speed of the available disk drives. Then youinsert the damaged disk and it compares the speed at whichthe damaged disk was recorded with the current speed ofyour drives. Then, depending upon the results, you're askedto insert the damaged disk into a specific drive and theblank disk into the other. This should be the bestcombination andproduce the best results when recoveringthe bad disk! Even 'off-center' diskmay be recovered.

Apple disks are what are termed 'soft-sectored'. Whatthis generally means is that the information on the diskcan virtually appear anywhere. So, what is needed is anorderly means of determining what is being read from thedrive. Much of the overhead on the disk is devoted totelling the operating system (DOS/etc) things like: "wheream I on the disk".

When you SAVE your program to disk, it is surroundedby pieces of information which provide the operatingsystem with all this important stuff. If some of it is lost,you'r dead in the water. Enter our hero: D.R.S.ILifesaver.It goes out looking for the important stuff like nobody'sbusiness! It will try its damdest (going as far as 2.5 trackson either side of where the data SHOULD be in .25 trackincrements) checking things out for you. With a really baddisk, this can take some time, but the results can certainlybe well worth it.

To wit: the two September IAC disks were 'blown' andhad notes attached to them when I received them asSoftware Director. The notes indicated that the disk wereunusable: they wouldn't boot, wouldn't CATALOG, andusing a T/S editor, I wasn't even able to locate a goodsector! Well, D.R.S./Lifesaver did its thing, and broughtthem both back to life.

Now don't get the impression that it can recovereverything. It does have some limitations, but overall itsan excellent piece of software. In cases where it can onlypartially recover the data, it will give the file a letter gradeof A-F as part of the filename. Thenits up to you toLOAD/BLOAD the files and eyeball 'em for errors.

Now for the exciting part. (What? That's notenough?). D.R.S./Lifesaver will 'create' some files where aT/S list exists but has no filename associated with it. Thisusually happens when a file is DELETEd and another one issubsequently SAVEd 'in its place'. HA! The operatingsystem (DOS anyway) will probably over-write theCATALOG entry, but it will also probably save the newfile's data at a new location on the disk. Therefore, youwill have a T/S list without a corresponding filename, andD.R.S./Lifesaver will create a catalog entry for you.Recently I've witnessed some very interesting 'recovered'files which weren't in the CATALOG (as even DELETEdfiles)!

Ok, OK!! You can remove the sunglasses now. Wipethe lotion off before you reach for your D.R.S.I Lifesaverdisk, too!

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Mini 'app' les Budget - FY 1985/1986 Approved July 9, 1985

RevenueMembership *

NewRenewal

(500 @S17.00)(1100 6$12.00)

$8,500.00$13,200.00

Advert is ingSoftware

Apple // DOMs, IAC DOMs, and other Public Domain SoftwareApple // MSDsMacDOMS and other Macintosh-related Software

Sales Tax

$5,000.$210.

$8,000.($749

->$21,700.$8,700.

00000000)—>$12,461. .00

j p \

O p e r a t i n g E x p e n s e sGeneral and Administrative (President)

101 Postage, mailing, duplication, telephone102 Insurance, l iab i l i ty103 Membership (e.g. IAC)104 Post Office Box Rent105 Board/Staff Appreciation Dinner106 Stationary/Business Cards/Name Tags

General Meetings and Shows (Vice President)201 Postage, mailing, duplication, telephone202 Meeting sites (12 per year 8$150.00)203 Interpreter support at meetings (12 per year 6$30.00)204 Shows and conventions (6 per year plus TCCS)

Financial (Treasurer)301 Postage, mailing, duplication, telephone302 Bank charges303 Auditing/Tax Preparation

Secretary401 Postage, mailing, duplication, telephone

Communications, Membership, and Publicity (Communications Director)501 Newsletter production/distr ibut ion502 Newsletter editor expense including DOMs for contributors503 Membership processing504 Printer maintenance505 Advertising expense506 Transfer to Capital Accounts (Kitty for Laser)

Software Production and Sales (Software Director)601 DOMs, IAC DOMs, and other PDS Production, media, and distribution602 Acquisition of public domain software603 Software Director expense indluding DOMs for contributors605 MacDOM production and media606 MSD production and media

Hardware Support and Resource Network (Technical Director)701 Postage, mailing, duplication, telephone702 Cables, connectors, misc. hardware703 Maintenance contract on equipment704 Insurance on equipment705 Bulletin Board ongoing support

Technical SIGs (SIG Director, Technical)801 Macintosh/Postage, mailing, duplication, room rental, misc.802 Apple /// - memberships, correspondence, etc.804 Director expense, postage, mailing, duplication, memberships

Applications SIGs (SIG Director, Applications)901 Business/Mailing, duplication, room rental, misc.904 Investment/Mailing, duplication, equipment rental905 Director expense, postage, mailing, duplication, memberships

Branches (Branch Director)1001 Director expense, postage, mailing, duplication, etc.1002 All/New DOM releases1004 Al l /Mail ing, dupl icat ion, flip charts, etc. (8$50.00/branch)

Total Bstpenses

$125.00$900.00$100.00$50.00

$400.00$300.00

->$42,861.00

-> $1,875.00

$75.00$1,800.00

$360.00$1,200.00

> $3,435.00

$50.00$100.00$500.00

> $ 6 5 0 . 0 0

$ 1 0 0 . 0 0 $ 1 0 0 . 0 0

$20,765.00$240.00

$3,278.00$240.00$390.00

$2,700.00->$27,613.00

$2,066.00$640.00$250.00

$3,750.00$16.00

-> $6,722.00

$50.00$100.00$300.00$200.08$500.00

> $1,150.00

$400.00$100.00$50.00

> $ 5 5 0 . 0 0

$100.00$60.00$50.00

> $ 2 1 0 . 0 0

$50.00$300.00$250.00

$600.00

$42,305.00

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BThese ads are provided free to

members for non-commercial use,and are limited to 10 lines.Commercial ads will be charged at20 cents/word for members or 40cents/word for non-members.Contact the Advertisingcoordinator.

DEADLINE for ads is thesecond Friday of the monthpreceding the month ofpublication. Ads will be repeatedon request only.Also, please notify editor if item issold. Unless otherwise noted, allitems are For Sale

Extended 80 column cards byApplied Engineering - $89.95.Software Plus 560-4077

Saturn Systems 32K RAMBoard for Apple ][ or lie.Includes manual and software formoving DOS, RAM disk and bankswitching; $50 or make offer.E r i c . 8 2 2 - 8 5 2 8

Computer carrying case forApple ][ or lie, two drives andsmall printer; $35. Continental's"Home Accountant"; $20.J i m 4 8 9 - 4 7 1 3

Brand new half high diskdrive; $110. Acoustical moem &RS232 cable; $50. WANTED:Bare Apple ][+ and serial card forApple ][+ or lie.D o n 9 2 7 - 9 2 6 3 ( h o m e )

341-4333 (work)

Timex/Sinclair 1000Computer, 16K RAM module and12 programs; $40 or make offer.E r i c 8 2 2 - 8 5 2 8

Distar half height disk drive.Perfect for second drive. $90 orbest offer.M a r k 6 9 8 - 4 2 8 5 ( e v e s )

FREE: Your classified ad . Asamember of Mini'app'les, you mayrun a classified ad each month fornon-commercial purposes.Call Eric 822-8528

ORDERING DOMs or MSDs

A reminder that Disks Of theMonths (DOMs) and Mini'app'lesSoftware Disks (MSDs) areavailable by mail: DOMs at $6.00each; MSDs at $17.50 each.MacDOMs at $9.00 each.

Send your order to:MINI'APP'LES DOM'sPO Box 796HopkinsMN., 55343Attention DOM Sales Most

DOM's and all the MSDs areavailable at club meetingsBecause of the volume of disksdistributed, they are not tested.Club members are asked to makeevery effort to get the DOM orMSD running. For example,occasionally the DOS on the diskwill be bad, but it will catalog OKand one can run the programs.Master Create on your Systemmaster disk will fix-up the DOS.Of course, if you have a disk withbad programs, we will cheerfullyreplace it!

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Mini'app'les Software orMacDOMs) using their owndiskettes. Here is the procedure:

Make up a package containingthe following:1. Blank diskette (or diskettes if morethan one is desired).2. Mailer. Diskettes will be returned insame protective device used to sendthe diskettes, provided such will (it inthe mailer.3. Send correct postage in stamps -do not send money in lieu of stamps.4. Self-addressed return label.5. S1.00 copying fee per DOM or disk.6. A note indicating which DOMs aredesired.Send to:

C. Thiesfeld8416 Xerxes Avenue S.Bloomington, MN 55431

Please allow 60 days for delivery inUSA. In-complete packages will notbe returned. DOMs 1 thru 29, except18, EAMON #3 and 8 Pascal disks arecurrently available. Mini'app'lesSoftware disks (MSD) are notavailable! General questions aboutDOMs should be addressed to SteveGeorge.

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