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The Newbie's Answer-All Guide to How a SpringSniper Rifle Worksby: lulukchoo23

*Important! Whenever you see Important! in this guide, it is a key phrase that must be remembered.

This guide is intended as a sort of "stepping-stone" guide to the rest of the vast seas of information outthere in ASR. Use it as a sort of dictionary. It may not answer your questions on certain detailed topicssuch as DIY (Do-it yourself) mods, how to snipe effectively, how to maintain your gun, what bb's to use,whatever, but there is loads of info on that. Like I said, this guide is a "stepping stone" to the rest of theloads of information. I recommend to newbs, after reading this, to go through the stickies. This guide willarm you with the definitions and names of parts that will be listed in those guides, like a dictionary.

1. Introduction

Now, everyone was once a newb when they first stepped into the sniping realm. Some may have come fromthe AEG realm already knowing some airsoft jargon, but there are those who had no idea what was goingon. The talk of "sears" and "pistons" and "trigger mechanisms" and even "hop up" at one time had onceconfused even me when I was a newbie. After gaining much experience and knowledge, snipers begin totalk amongst each other using all of their fancy jargon and such, and newbies just can't keep up becausethey don't know what those big sniper guys are talking about. I know when I first decided to be a sniper,when I first signed up for ASR to gain more information, I had a lot of trouble because I couldn'tunderstand what people were talking about in their posts when talking about their guns.

Of course, there are many newbs who ask people questions in threads on this site, and the only answerthey get is, you guess it: SEARCH. I admit, even I have said this to some newbs, but yet, they don't knowHOW to search. People recommend them to read threads like "The Cost of an Upgrade Sniper Rifle" thread,which is 1200+ posts. Even if one post took 1 second to read, that's 20 minutes of reading, and theaverage newb has the attention span of 20 seconds. Plus, all the information in that thread and others istoo detailed and mind-numbingly confusing to the newb.

tl;dr Basically this guide is for all the newbies who decided they would be snipers, and tried to gaininformation from this site and other sites but were lost because they had no idea what they were reading.Or, if you're maybe even a somewhat experienced player who is a little confused on how something works.

I, among many others, must say that sniping is very hard. You need to know if you're ready. Many other

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threads already preach of this, so there's no point going on and on about it. Basically, IF YOU'RE ASTARTER INTO AIRSOFT, DON'T SNIPE. GET AN AEG, LEARN THE GAME, PLAY A LOT, IF YOULIKE IT AND THINK YOU'RE UP FOR SNIPING, THEN GO FOR IT!. .Reason is: Sniping is EXPEN$IVE!! The cost of ammo alone is twice as much because sniping ammunitionis much higher quality and much heavier, meaning more $$$. Not to mention precision-made internal partsthat range from $5 to $150 per part, and there's a lot of parts in a gun......

If you don't follow that, don't come crying to me or your parents that you spent a $600 (which is theaverage cost of a decent upgraded gun) on a piece of junk and still are getting raped by your neighborsCrosman MP5's they got at Dick's. Anyways!

2. The Gun-Note, all the guns I talk about are going to be SPRING AIRSOFT SNIPER RIFLES, not gas or co2 orwhatever.

Basically, when I say "Spring Sniper Rifle", that means it is a gun that uses a SPRING to shoot a bb. I'll gointo more detail on that later, but that's basically how it works.There's a million of them, but not many that are really good enough to actually use competitively.Important! You see, what is the main reason there are snipers? Simple answer: TO OUTRANGE. There'salso like stealth, accuracy, stopping power, etc. but they all revolve around OUT RANGING. If you can't OUTRANGE an AEG (Automatic Electric Gun), there's absolutely NO POINT in getting an airsoft sniper rifle. Whyhave the ability to shoot 1 bb 150 ft. every second, when you can shoot 15 bb's 200 ft. every second?There are few airsoft sniper rifles that have the potential to OUTRANGE an AEG. The ones you'll find atDick's Sporting Goods are obviously not going to be good enough.

Basically, here's a list of guns NOT to get because they don't have the potential to outrangewithout total reconstruction (not limited to these guns only):-UTG M324 (a.k.a. master sniper series)-TSD m100, TSD m116, basically any gun that looks like an m14 and is a springer-Any Swiss Arms gun-Any AGM gun-Any UHC gun, like the silly Super-9 or Tac-9 or whatever-ANY GUN THAT TRIES TO COPY AN AUTOMATIC GUN BUT SAYS IT'S A "SPRING POWEREDRIFLE" OR SOMETHING

Now, as a newbie, there are really only 2 guns that you should ever consider. These 2 are the 2 guns thathave the most upgrade parts out there, the most potential to outrange, the most known about in thecommunity, and more importantly, the guns I know most about. LOL! Really, as a newb, you should ONLYthink about these 2 guns. There are others out there that may seem sexy and cool, but it's like jumping inthe deep end before you ever learn how to swim. Need to develop a good foundation on one of the easierguns before moving on to guns that are less known about.The guns are: The Tokyo Marui VSR-10 and the Maruzen APS96 (for the VSR-10, there's the g-specversion. I don't recommend it. It has a shorter barrel, which means less fps and it hurts you're out rangingpotential)Here they are, respectively:

Hold you're horses cowboy! I'm sure you just googled those and saw the ridiculous price, but luckily, thereare guns we consider as "clones": guns that replicate these super expensive guns, but reduce the price to afairly reasonable one, around $100 give or take.

Here are the names of the clones that you should get.There are some who "claim" to be clones, but really aren't. To be safe, ONLY get ones on thislist:-TM VSR-10 clones:


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-JG Bar 10 (most common) -Socom Gear R700-Maruzen APS 96 clones -UTG/TSD/WELL Mk96 (most common, they are LITERALLY ALL THE SAME) -Bravo Mk98 (Same as the guns above)

Important! Now, for the rest of this guide, it will basically be only limited to how a VSR-10 works,because this gun can solely represent EVERY SINGLE airsoft sniper rifle, since INTERNALLY, ALLAIRSOFT SNIPER RIFLES ARE ABOUT THE SAME (including the APS96). When I say VSR-10 in thisguide, it also applies to its clones.

3. A List of Every Part in a Tokyo Marui VSR-10

A TM VSR-10 is not so complex as you think. There are basically 3 main parts in the gun that work togetherto propel a bb forward. The 3 main parts are: the cylinder, the trigger, and the hop up system. We'll get tosee HOW these work in the next section. The body of the gun (EXTERNALS) are basically what hold these 3parts together so they can work together. Think of the gun as the skeleton of a body and the skin, basicallyprovides structure and protection. Think of the 3 main internal parts as if they were organs in this body thatwork together to allow the entire body to function.

Outside of the gun, we have several parts that provide structure and protection for our 3 internal systems.We have:-The stock-The reciever-The outer barrel

Inside the gun, we have its 3 main parts: Cylinder, Trigger, and Hop Up System. Within the Cylinder, we have:-Cylinder-Piston-Spring Guide-Spring-Cylinder head

Together: -Important! Some pistons have a special piston head (top of the piston) that has a "cup" that can be puton the piston head to help air seal and "dampen" the impact of the piston (we'll talk about this later). Onlya few upgraded pistons have it though.


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Within the Trigger, we have:-Trigger Box (shell encasing the sears)-Trigger-Trigger Sear-Piston Sear-Safety Sear-Spring Guide Rod (Goes by many names, like Spring Guide Stopper)-Various springs that allow the sears to return to its original position once the gun has been fired.

(Taken from http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1640/guide5un2.jpg)

Together:

Withing the hop up system, we have:-Hop up chamber-Bucking-Nub-Hop up arm-Inner Barrel-Various other parts to load the bb from the magazine


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Together:

Then, of course, we have the magazine which holds the bb's you are about to shoot:

Next, we will see how EACH system works by itself!

4. How each of the 3 systems in our gun works

Cylinder:The cylinder is the simplest system in the gun. Basically, the cylinder functions as an air compressor.Within the cylinder, we have the spring guide, spring, and piston as said before. Basically, inside, thespring guide is INSIDE the spring, and the long rod "guides" the spring. On the opposite end of the springis the piston, which is wrapped AROUND the spring.Say, if both of these objects came close together (which they do), then obviously the spring, which is inbetween the piston and spring guide, will Compress. And, if the force that was applied to Compress thespring were to disappear (which it does), then the spring obviously will Decompress, rather violently atthat.

So, basically that's how it works. Piston is pulled back towards the spring guide (which is what happenswhen you pull the bolt back). The piston then "locks" with trigger, and once the trigger is pulled, the lockdisengages, the piston flies forward and pushes air out of the cylinder head, and propels the bb.

How does pulling the bolt (cylinder) back cause the piston to move back? Won't the spring guide moveback too, if you pull the bolt back? Well, no. The spring guide actually remains stationary the whole time.The Spring Guide Rod in the trigger (spring guide stopper) allows the spring guide to remain completelystationary the entire time.. So when you pull the bolt back, the entire cylinder moves back, which meansthe piston moves backwards. But since the spring guide stays still, really, the piston just gets "pulled Into"the spring guide, compressing the spring. Then, as said before, the piston "locks" with the trigger.Then, once you push the bolt back forward, since the piston is "locked" and the spring guide ALWAYSREMAINS STATIONARY, nothing inside the cylinder is moving. Only the cylinder moves forward, allowingair in FRONT of the piston. Then, once the trigger "unlocks", the piston flies forward, pushing out all of the


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air in the cylinder and out through the cylinder head.This picture from ASF should explain it quite well:

From: http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/Python890/boltoperation4.jpg

Trigger:The trigger is slightly more complex in how it all works. It's easier to understand once you actually own itand can play with it. Basically, all the trigger does is exactly what you think. Basically, once you pull thetrigger, the trigger "unlocks" and allows the piston to fly forward. Simple as that. HOW it does it is quitecomplex though. Basically, first, the piston "locks" onto the "piston sear" of the trigger, and once thetrigger is pulled, the TRIGGER sear moves gets pulled down, then the PISTON sear moves down with thetrigger sear, unlocking the piston and allowing it to fire.

This system is generally the same in most spring airsoft guns, except some piston sears don't "movedown", some may "rotate" and unlock the piston (like in the APS96)Important! Like I said, it's much easier explained if you can actually get your hands on it. Reference thepicture above in the cylinder section for help.

Hop Up System:Out of all the systems, the hop up system is the most complex. Basically what the entire system does isapplies backspin to the bb. Why do you want this? Well, ever heard of a CURVEBALL in baseball? It's whenthe pitcher throws the ball, but applies TOPspin on the ball. The ball spins forward, pushing air UP, causingthe ball to dive downwards. The Hop Up System does the opposite. Applying backspin makes the bb pushair DOWN, causing the ball to sort of "float", meaning it travels much further and also travels straighter.This is not only in airsoft. People also use backspin in other sports such as tennis, ping pong, golf, andbilliards.

How does the system do this? Well, basically, once the bb has been "fired" (after both the cylinder and thetrigger have completed their function), the bb quickly moves through the hop up chamber. Inside the hopup chamber, the bb "strikes" a piece of rubber (the bucking) protruding into the hop up chamber above thebb itself. Contact with this rubber at high speed makes the bb start to spin backwards, backspin. the bbthen travels down the inner barrel, with the air from the cylinder constantly pushing on the bb itself,constantly gaining speed, until finally it leaves the inner barrel and smacks your friend in the head.This diagram from Airsplat.com does a great job to explain this:


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From:http://www.airsplat.com/Images/Airsoft-HopUp.jpg

The "bucking" is what causes the backspin, a.k.a. the hop up. The bucking cannot do it alone though. Inorder to "protrude" into the hop up chamber as mentioned in the last paragraph, the bucking needssomething to PUSH it INTO the hop up chamber. The hop up arm does this. On the very "tip" of the arm isthe Nub, which is what directly makes contact with the bucking. Once the arm is moved downward more,the nub pushes into the bucking more, the bucking then protrudes more into the hop up chamber, and thereis naturally more backspin that is applied. It would be opposite if you moved the arm up. This ability toadjust how much backspin applied is called Adjustable Hop Up. In the VSR-10, the hop up can be adjustedwith a small knob that you can push forward and backwards. Other guns may require an allen wrench toturn a knob to adjust (like the APS 96).This Picture shows the hop up chamber of a VSR-10 and what goes on after the bb is fired:

*Note: That picture is a TM VSR-10 with a special bucking, so if you're gun doesn't look like that, don'tworry.

One note, one might wonder, why is the inner barrel included in the hop up system? Well, you see, theBUCKING is actually wrapped around the inner barrel, like in the picture.


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Okay, well if it is wrapped, how does the bucking protrude into the inner barrel and make contact with the

bb? Well, the inner barrel actually has a HOLE in it, a.k.a. the "cut". Important! Different guns have different "cuts". AEG's usually have an AEG "cut", VSR-10 and a few otherguns have a TM "cut", Maruzen APS-96 has an APS "cut", and KWA AEG's have a special K "cut" (IIRC).Naturally, with different cuts, we have different buckings, so it's important to make sure, if you get areplacement or upgrade, to get a TM cut bucking.

So, now you know how each of the 3 systems work and how they work together. That's pretty much theentire make up of the gun internally. There may still be some terms that come up when reading thesethreads, so the next section will talk about other terms you may encounter while on ASR's Sniper's Perch.

5. Other commonly mentioned terms and jargon

You may run into several terms not yet mentioned in this guide while trolling the forums. Here are some ofthe more common ones:45 Degree and 90 Degree Pistons and Triggers: These terms describe the angle at which the pistonand piston sear meet. The TM VSR-10's piston and piston sears meet at a 45 degree angle and are the ONLYguns that use a 45 degree system (besides another TM gun that you really shouldn't worry about since it ismuch harder to upgrade, and you are a newb), shown in this picture from www.x-fire.org.

http://www.x-fire.org/vsr10/img_trigger_problem/2.jpgIn other guns like the APS 96, the piston and piston sears meet at a 90 degree angle, as shown in anotherpicture from www.x-fire.org.

http://www.x-fire.org/vsr10/img_trigger_problem/3.jpgThe 45 degree system is very prone to breaking, since the piston always has the possibility of "slipping"off. It's like standing on a slanted 45 degree roof versus standing on a flat roof. You can slip off a 45degree roof and fall to the ground much easier, especially if you're shoes are very worn down (you'll getthis analogy once you read the next section).Important! As you may have assumed, if you have a 45 degree trigger, you must have a 45 degree piston,and same with 90 degrees. A 45 degree trigger will NOT work with a 90 degree piston.Flat-nub, V-Nub, U-Nub, Concave Shaped nub (SCS, PCS), H-nub, BLEH-nub: (There's no bleh nub,just kidding on that) describes the shape of the nub. Many believe the shape of the nub can affect the hopup pattern in a gun. This thread on another forum explains one man's thoughts on it (which is generallywhat most people think): http://shredderscs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=scs&action=display&thread=33ABB rings (Anti BlowBy Rings): A ring wrapped around the bucking to prevent air from the cylinder toescape when the gun is fired. Dramatically improves FPS and consistency. For more information, contactMarineSGT and Noobie, ASR member's who coined the term.Barrel Spacers: Basically, it's an object or objects that fill the space between the inner barrel and theouter barrel (the outer barrel is simply a long hollow tube). Prevents the inner barrel from wiggling aroundduring firing.Shimming: Shimming in general means to fill in a space and prevent wiggling (common in AEG's as well),but in the Sniper realm, it will usually just mean shimming in terms of the hop up arm. A common problemin the VSR-10 is that the hop up arm can wiggle left and right, so "shims" (little brass sheets) can beapplied to the left and right of the arm to prevent it from wiggling. Contact forum member SVTCobra formore information.Tightbore Barrels: As the name implies, the diameter of the barrel is very "tight", allowing less wiggleroom for the bb, more consistency, and higher fps because of less air possibly flowing "around" the bb.Tends to cause more jams in the guns though.Twist barrels: Inner barrels with a spiraling "twist" down the inner barrel that (with physics even I don'tknow) help the bb make less contact with the inner barrel while it travels down the inner barrel, causingincrease in consistency. Generally only for guns under 350 fps, as going higher takes the effect away.Upgraded Trigger Mechanism or Trig Boxes (Zero Trig, M-Trig, V-trig) Basically, these are upgradedtriggers. All upgraded triggers are 90 degree systems, so they are much stronger than the 45 degree stocktrigger mechanism.Rebrands: Rebrands are when one company takes another companies gun and slaps their own companiesname on it and put it in their own box. Basically, WELL/UTG/TSD/Bravo Mk96 (Bravo MK98) are allrebrands of each other. Key: They are all the SAME GUNS.


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Imitations: An imitation is ALMOST a clone (as said before, a clone is a complete copy of a higher qualitygun like a VSR-10, i.e. a JG Bar 10) but has some differences. For example, the Well MB02 is an imitationVSR-10. It has slight differences in the size of the receiver which can lead to problems when buying anupgraded cylinder.Mag Catch: Guns require something to hold the magazine in place, obviously, or they'll fall out. They alsoneed to be able to have a button or switch to push to allow the magazine to "eject". The mechanism thatdoes this is a "Mag Catch". In a VSR-10, these are 2 tiny plastic pieces and a spring that goes in a hole bythe mag "well". In the APS-96, it is a metal odd-thing that is near the top of the mag "well"."Real-shock": TM makes a special VSR-10 that incorporates a "Real Shock" system that gives the gun ahigher amount of recoil.Ball Bearing spring guide: A spring guide that has a ball bearing at the bottom where the spring restson. It allows the spring to freely rotate and not "torque" up, or coil up. Makes the spring more efficient andputs less stress on the sears because the spring isn't so resistant. Can lead to higher fps."Slotted" pistons: Pistons that have a sort of cut out around the sides of the piston that lets the piston belighter. Adds fps.Spring Spacer: A "spacer", or just an object or thing, that is placed around the "rod" of the spring guideat the very bottom. It shortens the spring, leading to higher resistance by the spring. Only advantage ishigher fps, but leads to higher wear on the sears (only a problem in 45 degree systems) and also canweaken the spring over time.Slam Firing: See next section.Feel free to comment if you want me to add more or to clarify something.

6. A Note on "Slam-Firing"

Important! This usually only happens in a VSR-10/clone, though other guns are still vulnerable.A common problem with the 45 degree system in the VSR-10 is that the piston will occasionally "slip" offthe piston sear, leading to what we call "slam-firing". In the human world, it is the equivalent of somethingwe call Premature... well..... you know. Basically, the gun fires itself without you pulling the trigger, and itonly gets worse over time.Not only is slam firing dangerous for other people who may be accidentally shot, it is also very bad for yourgun. Constant slam firing puts huge strain on the parts in your gun, and what will usually happen is thatsmall screws, most like the one connecting the rear of the trigger to the rear of the receiver. The screw willstrip, leading to MOAR slam firing and eventually the gun will just fall apart and fail to function.

There are many causes. I'll list them in order of how common they occur:-Wearing down of the piston sear (occurs over time, but is accelerated by stronger springs)-Loose spring guide stopper (occurs if you are very rough with your gun)-Stripped screws or screw holes in connecting trigger to receiver (same cause as before; can also becaused by over-tightening screws)-Loose trigger/receiver screws (could be bad assembly at the factory or by you)There are other causes, but are usually tied to one of these causes.

Most common ways to fix it if it's caused by wear of the sear are to either get new sears in the gun or toget a new, 90 degree trigger mechanism and 90 degree piston. As for stripped receivers, you don't havemuch of a choice. You may choose to re-tap the screw hole and get larger screws or just get a new receiveror gun. There are other things that can be done to help delay or prevent it from happening, like getting aball bearing spring guide, downgrading springs, and all in all just being careful not to throw your gunaround or leave it cocked for a month. There really aren't any special causes for slam firing. It really is justone of those 4 causes.

If you decide to get an APS 96 or clone or really any other gun that isn't a TM, you pretty much don't needto worry about this happening unless you're over-tightening your screws that connect the trig mech to thereceiver or being to rough and end up stripping screws.

7. Sidearms

There are also few threads on this, and many say just to leave it up to common sense, and really, that isthe answer. There is no single, perfect sidearm. It's up to you. Personally, I like the KWA m93r for it's fullauto capabilities and also how easy it is to store. Really, for a while I rolled with a Crosman Tri-Shotshotgun, and I loved it. Really, all you can do is just explore. See what you like. I'd recommend startingout with a shotgun or a Gas Pistol.


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8. A Final Note for you now not-so-Newbie's

The Sniper's Creed: "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing."

Really, after reading this, everything should be self explanatory. You should be able to learn from otherthreads on HOW to upgrade now that you are armed with a better vocabulary and understanding of yourgun, which is why I will NOT mention how to upgrade. This guide was written because I don't know ofanother that explains HOW a gun works, but there's a million guides that explain how to upgrade, so it isYOUR responsibility to read those. I also won't mention how to maintain your gun, clean it, silence it,decorate it, love it, whatever, since there are millions of other guides out there as well to tell you how todo that. It is you're responsibility to search for those.

In fact, I'll be nice here. Here are some helpful "other" readings you can do that have helped me in the pastunderstand my gun much better. First 2 are stickies. Highly recommend the 1st one; should be readthrough after reading through this guide:TCF's Complete Guide To Snipers and Sniping (Death to 56K) written by The Crimson Falcon.If my guide left you with a question, this one will solve it. It's got everything you need, from maintenanceto disassembly to even troubleshooting, and even has upgrading. You may have to do some wadingthrough, but, like sniping, you need to learn to be patient. SVT Cobra's BAR 10 Magazine Maintenance Guide written by SVT CobraGreat guide on how to maintain you're VSR or clone's magazine.The cost of an upgraded sniper rifle thread started by Marine SGTThere are countless upgraded guns in this thread with many pictures that you can model you're very firstgun after. These include costs, which I know will be a major concern. Majority is VSR-10 user's guns. Greatto learn how to upgrade your gun.APS 96 Disassembly and Reassembly VideosPart 1 and Part 2Though it seems silly, these are actually really friggin' good videos on how to take apart your APS 96.Really clear and thorough and pretty fun to watch, and even though it includes a guide to the PDI chamber(which I found very useful since the chamber itself comes with japanese incstructions), you don't reallyneed to watch that part. Just watch the other parts.Cheap-as-Possible L96 build, doing mostly DIY modsA great thread with a lot of useful info on it to help any L96 user learn about upgrading their gun.Why aren't there 8 mm airsoft sniper rifles? Reasons why and why notNot for the stupid. Explains why 8 mm bb's (rather than the standard 6 mm), though attractive, is a stupididea for snipers. Warning: There is science in this thread.

To all those who are APS 96 users, don't feel like I didn't talk about that gun enough. Everything in thisguide can be applied for the Mk96, so if you're a newb who's considering it, all this knowledge you gainedstill can and will translate to your gun as well.

Like I said, since you're a newb, you really should be only getting either a VSR-10/clone or a APS 96/clone.I know you see other sexy looking guns like the Echo 1 ASR, the Javelin M24, Classic Army M24, SnowWolf M99, TM L96AWS, Sun Project M24, Maruzen APS2 and it's counterparts, Well MB07, Bravo BV7, etc.but trust me, you need a good working foundation with an easy gun before moving on to much harder gunsto upgrade like those. Gotta learn to hit off the tee before you can hit a live pitch. Gotta learn youralphabets before learning to read. Gotta learn how to crawl before learning to walk.


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Re: The Newbie's Answer-All Guide to Howa Spring Sniper Rifle Works ***Complete« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 09:04:03 PM »

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Important! To be honest, all in all, the best way to learn how a gun works is simply owning one. I reallystarted to learn my gun inside and out and actually started to understand advice given on this website onceI actually got it.

Besides that, read other guides. Read guides in the stickies on how to snipe. Read how to upgrade.SEARCH! The more you learn, the easier it gets to understand what people are talking about on this thread.

Have fun and be safe!-12/20/10

Quote from: XavierMace on January 22, 2011, 01:17:19 AMI play with woman ALL THE TIME....

Oh, you meant in airsoft.

L96 Mag Catch Mod

Didn't one of the admins already make something like this?

A sheepdog can bite from any distance.

Not one about how a gun works internally. Just how to do maintenance, how to mod, and stuff, but not oneguide says exactly how one works internally.



L96 Mag Catch Mod

very nicenotes..tsd/utg/well l96 are all the samemaby add some info on piston heads

Quote from: ryanm on June 09, 2009, 01:38:02 PMPropane actually isn't all that flammable.ryanm

Quote from: xbeeongx on December 20, 2010, 09:04:03 PMDidn't one of the admins already make something like this?

its all spread out in 10 different threads and the 90 page bar 10 thread nobody wants to go through.

Well researched, nice compilation. Of course, you're missing the point of WHY we tell the new players tosearch. If we just waste our time hand-making guides for them on material that they can find with a fairamount of ease, then they just ask questions, and instead of getting intelligent threads based on research,you just get a bunch of the same old questions. As for you, congratulations, you've proven to me that youare not a waste of my time.

You put together a pretty decent guide. Unfortunately, after a few months, it's going to be hidden in theperch, and nobody will read it (just like the other stickies). So if we don't tell people to search and readthe stickies (which is not the same thing as telling them to search; they're linked at the top of the perch,


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and the forum rules recommend that newbies to the forum read the stickies before they post) then they justdon't, and we spend all our time answering the same tired questions, or Atilla just drops the ban-hammerand they're gone. If you care about the newbies, then do as we do, and tell them to search. We don't doit to be jerks. We do it because if we don't, this forum gets reduced to their level.

The other point I would like to make regarding this topic is that, and forgive my bluntness, if someonedoesn't have the patience to read through the stickies, or the long threads (which are long BECAUSE theyare full of USEFUL AND IMPORTANT information), they have no business being a sniper. A sniper withoutpatience is a waste of space on the field and the team. Finally, as I said before, it's very easy to findtakedown guides. A google search will easily pop some up, and I went to the trouble of combining many ofthem on ASGAR:

http://groups.google.com/group/asgar/web/disassembly-guides?pli=1

As I keep saying, they can look at pictures all they want, but it's no substitute for experience. A takedownguide will help them disassemble the parts, and any reasonably intelligent person (and the idiots getbanned extremely quickly around here) should be able to figure out how they work (especially when theyput it back together wrong and then the gun doesn't work).

But reasoning behind the "search" mantra aside, good work. It appears to be largely correct, althoughyou're missing a substantial amount of information about hopup dynamics, barrel mechanics, etc, that theywould have gotten if they read the threads I mentioned. If you're going to make a truly comprehensiveguide, I would like to see takedown guides for all the major gun types, discussions of hopup mechanics(and overhop), barrel mechanics (and barrel suck, porting, crowning, cleaning, barrel shape, consistency,and material), ammo mechanics, etc. As I understand it, this thread is intended to help them understandthe nuances of how their gun works, without having to blow through all the threads where we've developedthe concepts. Might want to talk about maintenance, managing trigger pull, managing the magazine issueson the BAR-10, trigger box reinforcement on the L96 (gunfighters is the real expert on L96's, so he'll beable to help more with that if you need it). I'm also curious why you recommend the Mauser style guns. Irecall those being garbage. And what about the M24 variants? Or the SVD variants, which are fantastic? Keep up the good work, and we'll have another sticky worthy thread perhaps, although the cynic (or realist)in me wants to warn you that it probably won't get read once you're done unless we tell people to read it.

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Quote from: gunfighters on December 21, 2010, 10:45:34 AMvery nicenotes..tsd/utg/well l96 are all the samemaby add some info on piston heads

Will do.

Quote from: The Crimson Falcon on December 21, 2010, 01:27:24 PMWell researched, nice compilation. Of course, you're missing the point of WHY we tell the new players to search. If we just waste our timehand-making guides for them on material that they can find with a fair amount of ease, then they just ask questions, and instead of gettingintelligent threads based on research, you just get a bunch of the same old questions. As for you, congratulations, you've proven to methat you are not a waste of my time.

You put together a pretty decent guide. Unfortunately, after a few months, it's going to be hidden in the perch, and nobody will read it(just like the other stickies). So if we don't tell people to search and read the stickies (which is not the same thing as telling them tosearch; they're linked at the top of the perch, and the forum rules recommend that newbies to the forum read the stickies before theypost) then they just don't, and we spend all our time answering the same tired questions, or Atilla just drops the ban-hammer and they'regone. If you care about the newbies, then do as we do, and tell them to search. We don't do it to be jerks. We do it because if wedon't, this forum gets reduced to their level.

The other point I would like to make regarding this topic is that, and forgive my bluntness, if someone doesn't have the patience to readthrough the stickies, or the long threads (which are long BECAUSE they are full of USEFUL AND IMPORTANT information), they have nobusiness being a sniper. A sniper without patience is a waste of space on the field and the team. Finally, as I said before, it's very easy tofind takedown guides. A google search will easily pop some up, and I went to the trouble of combining many of them on ASGAR:

http://groups.google.com/group/asgar/web/disassembly-guides?pli=1

As I keep saying, they can look at pictures all they want, but it's no substitute for experience. A takedown guide will help them disassemblethe parts, and any reasonably intelligent person (and the idiots get banned extremely quickly around here) should be able to figure out howthey work (especially when they put it back together wrong and then the gun doesn't work).

But reasoning behind the "search" mantra aside, good work. It appears to be largely correct, although you're missing a substantial amountof information about hopup dynamics, barrel mechanics, etc, that they would have gotten if they read the threads I mentioned. If you'regoing to make a truly comprehensive guide, I would like to see takedown guides for all the major gun types, discussions of hopupmechanics (and overhop), barrel mechanics (and barrel suck, porting, crowning, cleaning, barrel shape, consistency, and material), ammomechanics, etc. As I understand it, this thread is intended to help them understand the nuances of how their gun works, without having toblow through all the threads where we've developed the concepts. Might want to talk about maintenance, managing trigger pull, managingthe magazine issues on the BAR-10, trigger box reinforcement on the L96 (gunfighters is the real expert on L96's, so he'll be able to helpmore with that if you need it). I'm also curious why you recommend the Mauser style guns. I recall those being garbage. And what aboutthe M24 variants? Or the SVD variants, which are fantastic? Keep up the good work, and we'll have another sticky worthy threadperhaps, although the cynic (or realist) in me wants to warn you that it probably won't get read once you're done unless we tell people toread it.

Thanks TCF. Actually, I really do enjoy any type of constructive criticism in all honesty and respect. I mean,to be honest, I really am quite smart in fact, and when I first was interested in sniping, those takedownguide's did really help me out with understand what it all LOOKS like, but not how it WORKED. I honestlydid in fact take all the time to read through the stickies when I started, but I could never really get the bigpicture, at least not until I actually ordered my Bar-10 and put my hands on it and took it apart to see howall the parts worked together. Part of me knows that this might be a waste of effort and noobs might still


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continuously be flocking on ASR, not reading this, and not understanding what a "sear" or "nub" is, but theother part is sympathetic for the noob, considering how I, along with everyone else, was at one point anewb as well. I know what happens if we don't tell them to search. I think we all know it by one name:ASF. If any of you go to their Sniper's section, you will find your palm subconsciously moving at a quickspeed into your face. The reason I wrote this was so a newb could reference this guide sort of as theirdictionary of what the names of parts are and how they work and not have to wade through tens of pagesto finally learn what the "piston sear" does (been there as well).

I don't mind bluntness, Honesty is the best policy. I understand that reading through long stickies isimportant, which is still quite necessary, but reading through the stickies as a newb didn't answer all of myquestions. I still didn't know what some things were or how they worked because I simply didn't know whatthe writer was talking about, specifically what parts they were talking about, how it worked in the system,and even where it was located for some. I can tell you in full honesty that the link you posted, I hadactually read through it before I got my first Bar-10. I couldn't agree with you more when you sayexperience is the best way to learn, because I answered all my question once I opened up the brown boxthat was placed upon my doorstep by a fine man in brown. But it did take me a bit of courage and daring tofinally order my gun, considering how I really had no idea what I was getting myself into. I know that ASsniper rifles are under $150 now, but I'm just a 16 year old, which is around the age of your average newb.$150 to me and other 16 year old Americans is the same as an amount 10 times as much for an adult, andspending that amount on something that could be considered a gamble isn't exactly something that helpsyou sleep comfortably. This guide was to help that teenager understand exactly what he was spending agood amount of his or her money on, and really, if it just helps out one person, then I'd feel this was not awasted effort.

Thank you TCF. It means a lot. I know I didn't put a lot of specific stuff in there, but really when it comesdown to detailed stuff like that, the person probably isn't a newb anymore. Complex things like that arebetter off learned through firsthand exposure to help them understand what they are learning about. That'swhy I didn't explain much on how the trigger mechanism works. I even said "it's much easier explained ifyou can actually get your hands on it". And that's not even as complex as things like hop up dynamics oreven cylinder-barrel volume matching. I don't think I'll need to put up takedown guides because really,there are a million out there. In fact, when I got my L96, I referenced that youtube video of the guy in theghillie suit, the one that EVERYONE has seen, taking his gun apart. It's actually a great guide. There'sguides on maintenence (millions out there), trigger pull (stickies), mag issues (SVTCobra's guide), uhhh...there aren't any on trigger box reinforcement (actually, I have a guide that I wrote on it stored in the PM's.I know about it as well hehehe) but again, that's really too detailed for the newb. I really don't put thedetailed things in there because there are a million guides on the detailed. I even have my own guide onMag Catch Shimming to provide loads more consistency in the L96, but that needs a basic foundation ofunderstanding how the gun works. This guide is really just the stepping stone to the other side where all ofthe real golden knowledge is; sort of like a "read-me first" guide.As for the Mauser's, really? I had no idea. I just figured they were another clone/imitation L96. I alsomentioned that I wouldn't talk about other guns like the M24's, the APS's, and others simply because this isa Newb's guide, and really a Newb must learn how to work an easy platform before moving on to the othersmore advanced ones. It's actually what I finish off the guide saying.

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"Only a few upgrade pistons have it though"-I think you meant to say "Only a few upgraded pistons have itthough"

This is a very nice guide that I thoroughly enjoyed reading. This has helped me, as an average AEG/GasPistol user to understand the larger picture of sniping, I really wanted a guide that wasn't about the details,because I am more than likely not going to get into sniping, but a guide that could give me a larger pictureso I know what some of the snipers are talking about and can get the general gist of a conversation. Onehelpful thing might be to add a list of stickies that you found especially useful, so that the "newbs" canread the 1,200 long page discussion and stop being a "newb". Thanks for taking your time to write thisinformative guide.

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All of the spring rifles are based on the same principle. The CA M24 actually uses a vertical sear, and theSVD's really deserve to be discussed, since both the AtoZ and its clone, the A&K, are great out of the box. The Mausers are...finicky. Plus they look nothing like an L96.


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I think the important part is where you're talking about how many airsofters are young and don't haveaccess to a lot of money. This is PRECISELY why I advocate buying AEG's instead. You can get a decentAEG for the same price as a sniper rifle platform, and go out and play. You're going to have to do someserious saving to get a sniper rifle up and running, and there's nothing that I hate more in airsoft than kidswith crappy spring sniper rifles going out and calling themselves snipers. There were actually people lastweekend when I went to play CQB running around with L96's. Complete waste, really. Unless you're doinga 1j setup with a TK twist, spring sniper rifles have no place in CQB, IMO.

Quote from: lulukchoo23 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:49 PMI couldn't agree with you more when you say experience is the best way to learn, because I answered all my question once I opened upthe brown box that was placed upon my doorstep by a fine man in brown.

See, this is exactly what I'm saying. I never really saw the need, because while your guide makes sense tothose of us who have already been into the gun, if you haven't opened up the gun and experienced it firsthand, pictures very rarely make sense. Basically, I think new players need to follow the same process thatyou did. We all experienced the fear of opening up a gun for the first time (AEG's are far worse, eventhough they're still pretty simple). I tend to think that's a good and necessary part of airsoft.

One correction I noted. You say that slamfiring only happens in VSR's. That's not true. Slamfiring canoccur for a variety of reasons. With a VSR, it's usually piston stripping or sear degradation. With the othermodels, it's usually receiver stripping, so the trigger mech is slipping down. It's still slamfiring, and canhappen on any spring sniper rifle model.

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Quote from: Cyrils Scribe on December 21, 2010, 04:31:13 PM"Only a few upgrade pistons have it though"-I think you meant to say "Only a few upgraded pistons have it though"

This is a very nice guide that I thoroughly enjoyed reading. This has helped me, as an average AEG/Gas Pistol user to understand the largerpicture of sniping, I really wanted a guide that wasn't about the details, because I am more than likely not going to get into sniping, but aguide that could give me a larger picture so I know what some of the snipers are talking about and can get the general gist of aconversation. One helpful thing might be to add a list of stickies that you found especially useful, so that the "newbs" can read the 1,200long page discussion and stop being a "newb". Thanks for taking your time to write this informative guide.

Hehehehe I'll fix that. I'm happy to have at least helped someone out

TCF, yeah I know of the CA. I noted that all guns are vertical except for VSR-10 clones/imitations I think. Ididn't mention the CA since it's also known to be extremely finicky from what I've heard, definitelysomething that someone with more experience should be handling. I don't really know much of the SVDspringers besides that they take AEG buckings and springs and aren't they supposed to hurt real bad whenyou pull them back with a heavier spring? Not sure, I'm willing to take a donation of info on the SVD if itreally is quite necessary and if anyone's up for it.As for the Mauser's, are these the ones you're talking about? Cause they're the ones I was thinking of:http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Mauser_Spring_Sniper_Rifle/1488 . And from what I've heard,http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Mauser_Pro_Tactical_Sniper_Rifle/1688 this is the same gun, but just ona different stock.

Hehe I know, I've saved up money and I've used an AEG before. Actually, I used a Cybergun Thompson,which wasn't a very bad gun. I really only got my Bar-10 when I was really curious on sniping after playinga good amount with the Tommy. I do say in the intro in big bold and underlined that people should alwaysbe doing just that, getting an AEG first. CQB with L96's? That's....... gross.

Yup, but I guess I'm being a little too nice here with my guide. I mean, airsoft is a ballzy sport. Gotta haveballs to go out and get shot, gotta have balls to take a gamble with a new gun.

Well, I said ONLY just to put an emphasis on how much I hate the 45 degree system, and how it really isn'teven such a common a problem in other guns as the VSR. I'll take my bias out hehe...



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