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BulletproofRadiopodcast#265

Bulletproof Toolbox #265, Walter Crinnion

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Female: BulletproofRadio,astateofhighperformance.

Dave: Hey,it’sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today’scoolfactofthedayisthatwe’restartingtothinkthatuptohalfofthewaterhereonearthisolderthanthesun,andtheworkingtheoryisthatthewateronearthwasleftoverfromthecloudofgasthatformedthesunitself.We’realsothinkingthatthatinterstellarwaterwouldbeincludedintheformationofotherstellarsystemsandmaybeevenotherearth-likeplanets.It’sinterestingtothinkaboutthatthatallthatinterestingbiologyisthestuffgoingoninsideyourmeatisusingwatermoleculesthatmightbeolderthanthesun.Itmakesyoufeellikeyoualreadyhaveabitofanti-agingpractice,right?


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Theotherthingthatisabitofananti-agingpracticeistakingsmallstepstochangetheenvironmentaroundyousothatit’smoresupportiveoratleastlesssubtractiveofyourbiology.OneofthethingsIusethatIjustdon’ttalkaboutverymuchissomethingyoucanfindonBulletproof.comistheGreenwaveEMFfilter.Thesearelittlethingsyouplugintohouseholdoutletsthatreducechaoticreverberationsonthehouseholdwiringsystemsoyougetlessbiologicalstresscausedbythehouseholdwiring.It’sasmallthing;youdoitonce,andI’vehadclientsreportthattheyfeelbetter,theysleepbetterspecificallyfromdoingthis.It’soneofthosebasiclittlethings.Itdoesn’ttakeanyeffortonadailybasis.Youdoitonceanditdisappearsintheenvironmentaroundyou,butnowyou’vechangedtheenvironmentsoyouhavemorecontrolofyourenvironment.Inthiscase,loweringEMFstressonthebody.

Ithinkit’saprudentmove.It’ssomethingIdoinmykid’sbedroom.It’ssomethingIdoinmyownbedroom.There’sthreeorfourofthesethingsscatteredaroundrightwhereI’mfilmingrightnow,socheckthatoutatBulletproof.com.It’stheGreenwaveEMFfilteronBulletproof.com

Speakingofchangingenvironmentsothatyoucankickmoreass,today’sguestisoneoftheworld’sforemostexpertsinthefieldofenvironmentalmedicine.He'sgot30yearsofmedicalpractice.He'sbeenafacultymemberatfourdifferentnaturopathicmedicalschoolsandwasthefoundingdepartmentchairforenvironmentalmedicineattheSouthwestCollegeofNaturopathicMedicineinArizona.He'salsoaprolificwriterandhe'sbeenaguestonABCwithBarbaraWalterswherehe'stalkedabouttoxiccompoundsintheenvironmentandhowwecanprotectourselves.ThisisnoneotherthanDr.WalterCrinnion.Walter,welcometotheshow.

Walter: Dave,thankssomuchforhavingmeon.It’saanhonor.

Dave: Likewise.YouspentalotofyourlifethanIhaveworkingonthisproblemoftoxinsintheenvironmentyetIstillrunintothesepeopleonlinewhosortof,“I’mtiredofthewordtoxin.There’snosuchthingastoxins.Everythingisatoxin.”Whatdoyousaywhenpeoplelookatyour


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life’sworkandsaythere’snosuchthingastoxinsoreverythingisatoxinandtheydon’tmatter.

Walter: That’soneofthedifficultiesbecausewhenonestartstalkingabouttheloadofenvironmentaltoxicantsandtoxinsintheair,water,personalcareproduct,andfood,formany,itseemssooverwhelmingandsoabsolutelydireandhopelessthattheygotheotherwaytoreallyputtheirheadsinsandandsay,“Well,I’mgoingtodieanywaysodon’ttalktomeaboutit.”Itisanissue.TheopeningformeiswhenpeoplecometomewiththesechronichealthproblemsthattheyhavebeenunabletogetbetterviaanyothermeansandthenIstarttalkingaboutthisandtheylisten,becauseIactuallywasabletogivethemanswers,togivethemwaysoutofthetoxicburden.Ihavehadthegreatjoy,Dave,toseechronicillnessesreverse,spontaneousremissions.

Dave: Magicway.

Walter: Yeah,magicspontaneousremissionsandthingsincludingLouGehrig'sdisease,certaincancers,parkinsonism.Autoimmunityislikeaslamdunk.It’slikehandingMichaelJordanaballinaballgameandsaying,“Youthinkyoucanmakeabasket?”Cleansingwithautoimmunity,anyformofautoimmunity,it’sveryeasytodo.It’sinterestingthatthevastmajorityofthebiggestchronicillnessesareallrelatedtothebuildupofenvironmentaltoxicantsinourbody.

Dave: Forpeoplewhoaren'tfamiliarwithautoimmunediseasesare,there’sawholehostofthembutit’sbasicallywhensomethingtricksthebody,yourimmunesystem,intoattackingsomepartofthebodyandthingsthatyoumightnotknowareautoimmune,thingslikesomeformsofarthritisperhapsAlzheimer’sdisease,perhapsParkinson’sandabunchofotherevencardiacissuescanbebasicallyyourimmunesystemgettingpointedtothewrongthings.You’resayingtoxinshaveadirectroleinthat.

Walter: Theyhaveaverydirectroleinthat.Foryears,we’veknown.Thoseofusinenvironmentalmedicinehaveusedthetermimmunotoxicity.Inimmunotoxicity,ortoxiceffectonyourimmunesystem,yourimmune


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systembecomesimbalancedinaveryinterestingway.Theabilitytofightviruses,fungi,thosethings,theacuteinfectionsgodownsopeoplegetchronicinfectionslikeLyme’sdisease,Candida,Epstein-Barr,cytomegalo.

Dave: Ihadthat.

Walter: Thentheygetincreasedallergies.

Dave: Ihadthat.

Walter: Andasthmaandthentheycangetautoimmunity.Thisisawell-documentedimmunesystemimbalance.Weknowexactlywhatthechemicalsthattheimmunesystemputsoutcalledcytokines.Weknowwhatisgoingonwithhere.It’sdocumentedwhatcausesit.Now,itislinkedtonotenoughglutathioneinyourwhitebloodcellsbutthereisalistaslongasyourarmofallthecommonenvironmentaltoxicantsthatdothis.

AllIwoulddowithmypatientsisreducetheircirculatingleveloftoxicants.TheirimmunesystemrebalancesandthentheirrheumatoidarthritisgoesawayortheirHashimoto’sthyroiditis,ortheirlupus,orscleroderma,orawholehostofotherproblemswouldmagicallydisappearandthebloodmarkersforthesewouldgoawayaswell.

Dave: It’sfunny.MyHashimoto’sbloodmarkersentirelywentawayjustlikeyou’resaying.Now,youuseaninterestingwordthough.Youtalkabouttoxicantsratherthantoxinsandyoushouldhaveadifferentmeaningfortoxicant.What’sthedifferencebetweenatoxicantandatoxin?

Walter: Thebasisisthatatoxinissomethingthatisproducedbyalivingorganism,soblackwidowspiderbite,cobrabite,mold,mycotoxins.

Dave: Oneofmyfavorites.

Walter: Botulinumtoxin,Botox.Thoseareallpoisonoussubstancesmadebylivingorganisms.Toxicants,C-A-N-T-S,arenotmadebylivingorganismssothat’swhereyou’vegotchemicals.


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Dave: Chemicals.

Walter: Primarilychemicalsbutalsoheavymetals.Thatisthehugeburdenonourbodieswhich…TheCDChasbeendoingongoingstudy,andyoucanjustgototheirwebsite.It’sCDC.gov/exposurereport.They’vebeendoingthisongoingstudyforlast15,20yearslookingatthetoxicantsintheaverageUSresident.Theirnowupto…Ibelieveit’sabout140thatarefoundubiquitouslyin98%ofallresidencesofNorthAmerica.Thevastmajorityofthoseareairpollutants,solvents,plasticizers,BPA,Teflon,andScotchgardchemicals.They’reallthesethingsthatusedtocertainlynotbeonmyradarbecausemyradarinitiallywasforthepersistentpollutants,thechlorinatedpesticides.

Dave: DDT.

Walter: DDTandPCBsandyes,thosearetherebuttheorganophosphatepesticidesthat…

Dave: Wayworse.

Walter: AllthesethingsIdidn’tpayattentiontobecausetheirhalf-lifeinthebloodissoshort.Theyweren’tpersistentbutbecausewe’reexposedtothemeveryday;they’reinourbodieseveryday.Iactuallydidthemath.IwentthroughtheCDCreport.Ididthemathaddingupthetotalsofallthesethingsinthebloodandurine.Over80%byvolumeofallthosedaily24-hourdaytoxicantsareallnon-persistent,soit’stheairwebreathe;it’sthefoodweeat.Mostofitiscomingfromourairinourhomes.That’sthevastmajorityofitandthenfoodandthenpersonalcareproducts.

Dave: Oneoftheonesthat’sinterestingisBPA,thisbisphenolA.It’scommoninplastics.IreadaboutthisinmybookaboutthingsthataffectpregnancycalledTheBetterBabyBookandlookingatenvironmentaleffectsandeverythingyoucandotoincreasethehealthyoutcomesofyourpregnancy.There’safewpeopleonlinesaying,“Oh,BPAdoesn’tlastinthebodylongenoughtomatter.Here’sagovernmentreport


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that’ssaysevenpregnantwomenshouldhaveBPA,itdoesn’tmatter.It’sirrelevant.”Thatwaskindofmyresponse.

Walter: (laughs)

Dave: They’reusuallylikethat,theskepticcommunitywhereit’slikeeverythingisscience-based.Ifyouignoresixofseventypesofevidencethenit’sevidence-based,thatsortofthing.Still,it’saninteresting…Whatdoyousaywhensomeonesays,“Youknow,thiscomesinandgoesoutsofastthatit’sirrelevanttoourbody.It’sadifferentstandard.”

Walter: Well…IuhItotallyunderstandthatbecausethat’showIusedtothink.IusedtobeguiltyofthatexactsamethoughtuntiltheCDCstartlookingattheseothercompounds.Beforethat,allthatwasinthepublishedmedicalliteratureforlookingatbodyburdenedoftoxiccompoundswasallthepersistence,DDT,PCBs;that’salltheyhad.MaybeIprobablywasn’ttheonlyonethathadthismisconceptionbutwhentheCDCstartdoingtheseongoingyearafteryearstudiesforthousandsandthousandsofUSresidents,andthey’refindinglevelsofbisphenolAandatleastsixdifferentphthalatesorplasticizersandScotchgardandTeflonchemicalsandorganophosphatepesticidesthatwerefirstdevelopedinthe1930sforwarfarenervegas.We’refindingallofthesenon-persistentthingsthatleavethebodyquicklyineverybody,thatmademestartandtakenotice.

Ontopofthat,Dave,thereishowIspentmydayisreviewingpublishedmedicalandscientificreportsthatarenowonPubMedorMEDLINE,NationalLibraryofMedicinefromtheNationalInstitutesofHealth.It’savailabletoeverybodyonline.Therearewonderfulreportsthere.Now,withBPA,alotofthemarefrominfertilityclinicsorotherindividuals,otherdocsworkingwithvariousendocrinedisorders.IjustreviewedanarticleonBPAandcausinginwomenwhohadfetusesthatweredevelopmentallydelayed.Thesefetuses,theywerepregnant,hadchromosomaldifferencesinthem,abnormalities.


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YouknowaswellasIthat…WhenIstartedpractice,Iactuallydeliveredbabies;didhomedeliveryandbabies.Backthen,Idon’trememberknowingafamilythathaveaspecialneedskid.

Dave: I’veonlydonehomedeliverytwobabiesbutthey’reokay.Theywouldbemine.

Walter: Now,it’smorecommonthannothavespecialneedskids.Thisstudywaslookingatthesemomswhoarepregnantwithkidsthatweregoingtobespecialneedskids.Hereiswhatwasreallyinteresting.TheylookedattheBPAlevelsinthewomenwhohavethesedevelopmentaldisabilitiesinthekidsordevelopmentaldifferencesversusmomsthatdidn’t,thathavenormaldevelopingfetuses.TheylookedatthetypesofBPA.OnceBPAismetabolizedbytheliver,itbecomesnontoxic.Itdoesn’tcausedamagetothefetus.Thewomenwiththekids,thefetusesthathaddevelopmentaldisorder,theycouldn’tproperlyclearBPA.

Dave: Whichrequiresglutathione,doesn’tit?

Walter: Itdoesbothsulfurtransferasewhichisyouneedsulfurandyouneedthetransferaseinsizebutthenitalsodoesglucuronosyltransferasecreatingtheglucuronidewhichistheprimaryone.Womenthatcan’tmakethatjump,they’retheonesthatgettheproblem.Itwasveryinterestingarticle.Yourmainquestionwastheseotherpeoplearen'tlookingatwhattheCDCsaysthatbutit’sinallofusinhighlevelseverydayandthatthey’reactuallymeasuringlevelsinpeopleandshowingassociationwithproblems.Youputtwoandtwotogetherandit’s…duh.

Dave: Isupposedthere’sanargumentthatifyoulivedinabubblewithnotoxinsatallandyouhadthisonetoxinatthisonelevelforoneexposure,thenyoucanmakeanargumentthatit’snotharmful,andit’sareasonableargument.

Walter: Yes.

Dave: Whattheydon’tstudyatthesametimeissomethingthatI’velearnedaboutwithmycotoxinsorthesemoldtoxinsisthatoneofthemin


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isolationdoessomethingandthisisalevelthatmostpeoplecanmetabolize.Thenyouaddasecondoneinfromadifferentsourceorfromthesamesourceandsuddenlytheyfighteachotherinawaythat’snotadditive;itmultiplies.Suddenly,20%ofthesafelevelofthisplus20%ofthesafelevelofthisis,uh-oh,waymorethan100%ofthesafelevelssothenyoustarthavingbiologicaleffects.

Walter: Exactly.Inenvironmentalmedicine,thebasicprincipleofitforallthesepastdecadeshasbeentotalload.Wehavealoadonus.WhatI’veseenisindividualscometomeandthemajorityoftime,theyhavenoideawhatmadethem…whatstartedthisillness.Sometimes,theydoandtheysay.“It’swhenIputthatcarpetinorwhenIgotthefillingsinorwhenIwasinthemoldyhouseorwhensprayingthepesticidespray.”Theyallwanttopointtosomethingandsomeofthemdohavethisincident,“WhenImovedintothenewhouse,thebrand,spankingnewhouse,I’vebeensickeversince.”Okay.Thatwasthestrawthatbrokethatcamel’sback,butyouhadatotalloadbuildingupbeforethatandthat’swhatpushedyouovertheedge.

Dave: EvenSusanneSomers,IwasjustonBulletproofRadioandshemovedintoahousewithmoldsandthesamething.Allofthesudden,shefeltitrightawaybecauseshe’slearnedtohavethatawarenessand…

Walter: Right.Mostpeoplearetotallyunconsciousaboutthatstuff,completelyunconscious.

Dave: YoujustlikeIfeel…Ifeellikeazombieallthetime.IrememberImovedintoahousewithStachybotrysmanyyearsago.Ididn’tknowatthetime.

Walter: Oh,Dave.

Dave: Iwasalreadysensitivetomold.Igrewupinamoldybasement.Iwasobese;weighed300poundsbutI’velostalotoftheweight.Suddenly,itcamerushingbackonandjustI’dneverfeltwell.IrememberIwenttothedoctorandIsaid,“IfeellikeI’vebeenpoisoned.Idon’tfeellikesomeonepoisoningmebutlikenothingisrightanymore.”Ididn’t


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correlateitwithmyhouse,andI’vesaidIremembervitaminCmakesmefeelbetterwhenItake3gramsaday.Thisdoctorgoes,“Dave,stop!Itcouldkillyou.”

Walter: (laughs)

Dave: IlookedattheguyandIdidn’tknowwhatIknownowbutIknewenoughandIsaid,“WhataboutLinusPauling?”Forpeoplewhoaresaying,“WhoLinusPauling?”TwoNobelprizes,took90gramsofvitaminCadayandisoneofthebiggestproponentsofit.

Walter: Keptterminalcancerpatientsalivewith10gramsadayormore.

Dave: Yeah,whichcankillyou.Ilookedatthedoctorandhesaid,“Linuswho?”Isaid,“You’refired,”andIwalkedout.

Walter: Goodforyou.

Dave: GoodformeexceptIdidn’tseeadoctorforfouryears.That’soneofthereasonsI’mabiohacker.Iwaslike,“Noneoftheseguyscanhelp.I’mgoingtogettothebottomofthis.”IstudiedstupidamountsofinformationbecauseIdidn’tthinkthatthattherewassuchathingasadoctorwouldunderstandus.Ididn’tknowthattherewassuchathingasenvironmentalmedicine.Ididn’tknowwhatanaturopathwasandthisisgoingbacktothemid‘90swhereitwasmuchlesscommon.I’mluckythatIdidmeetthetypeoffunctionalmedicine,practitioner,orthomoleculardoctors,anti-agingdoctors,andenvironmentalmedicinetypeswhodostudytheinteractionoftheenvironmentinpeopleandrealizethatit’snotabouthavingantioxidant.

Walter: Thisisasmallgroupofdocsthatyou’retalkingabout.

Dave: It’sgrowingfast.

Walter: It’sasmallgroupsoyeah.I’vebeenfocusingforthelast10to15yearstoreallytrytoteachandtrainotherdoctorsaboutthisfield.


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Dave: It’soneofthemoreimportantthingsyoucandobecauseBulletproofRadiohasallowedmetointeractwithliterallyhundredsofdoctorswithonesIinterviewlikeyouaswellasoneswhocometotheBulletproofconferenceorwejustenduphavingtheseamazingconversations.Whatyoufindisthateverydoctoroutthere,maybenotevery,thevastmajorityofdoctorsouttherearelookingforabetterinteractionwithpatients.Nodoctorlikesthree-minutevisits,justinandout,inandoutbecauseitdrainsthemandtheyknowthey’renothelpingpeopletothefullextenttheycan.There’spressureononesideandthentheyreallywantthisabilitytohelpbutthenthere’salackofknowledgewherethere’s…

You’refreshoutofmedicalschool,you’relike,“Agh,vitaminsdon’twork.It’slikethedrugcompaniespoundedthatin,”andthen10yearslateryou’retalkingtothemandthey’relike,“Yeah,IkindoftakemymethylatedBvitaminsbecauseIwasgettingarashwhenIdidn’tdoitandtheywork.Ican’trecommendittomypatientsthoughbecausethere’snoevidencebutlikeItakethemathome.”Ifeelit’sshifting,butafter30yearsofpractice,doyoufeelitshifting?

Walter: Yes,inmanyways.Alternativemedicineisnowfarmorereadilyembracedthanitusedtobe.Nutritionalinformationisfarmorereadilyavailableprettymuch.Idon’tfindanybodyanymorethathasn’theardthetermmultivitamin;everybodyknowsthat.Yes,itismuchmorewell-known.Wegotalotofwonderfuldocsouttherethatarepracticing.It’sjusthelpingothersfind,andmygoalrightnowwhatI’mfocusingonistryingtohelpdocsbeabletorecognizewhatthesymptompictureisintheirpatientiftheirpatienthasahealthproblemcausedbyanoverloadoftoxicants.Whatisthesymptompicture?Howdotheyspotthatandthenhowdotheytreatit?Whethertheyreallywanttodothatformofmedicineornotisbesidethepointbutcanyouspotanenvironmentalcase?

Becauseiftheproblemhasbeencausedbyanoverloadofenvironmentaltoxicantsandyoudon’tdealwithit,you’rejustgoingtobechasingsymptomsagainwhichiswhatalotofdocsdo;theychasesymptoms.


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Dave: Afewmonthsago,IreleasedamoviecalledMoldy.

Walter: Yes.

Dave: You’veseenit,okay?

Walter: Absolutely.Iloveit.

Dave: Ishouldhavesentacopyjusttomakesureyou’veseenit.Whatstruckmeatismaybeoneofthemostamazinginterviewswasapairofphysicians,normalWesternphysicians,acouple.Theymovedintoamoldyhouse,andthewifegetssickandthehusbanddoesn’tgetsick.They’resaying,“Inmedicalschool,welearnedthatifsomeonehasmorethaneightsymptoms.”Clearly,it’sintheirheadiftheyarehypochondriacs.They’recrazypeople.She’slike,“Ihad18symptomssotherefore,Iwascrazyexceptmytemperaturewasonedegreehigher,sothatmeansthatIwasn’tcrazy.”

Thispoorwomanspenttwoyearsbiopsyingeveryorganinherbodytogettothebottomofwhatwasanenvironmentalillnesscausedbymoldtoxinsinthe…Ithinktheywerelivinginatrailerwhentheyremodeled.Itwassomeridiculousthinglikethat.WhatwassoamazingwasnowsheisoneoftheleadingmolddoctorsinSantaBarbara.It’ssointerestingthoughbecausethisideathatmany,manysymptomsatthesametimeequalscrazypantsandWellbutrinessentially.Thatisjustnotproven.Infact,Iwouldargueinmyexperienceoflife,thereclearlyarerealmentaldisordersbutifyoulookatmedicaltextbooksfrom50or100yearsago,there’speoplesaying,“Ohlook,you’veexposedthesepeoplewithcigarettesmokeandtheythinkthey’reJesus.Thenyoutakecigarettesmokeoutoftheenvironmentandthey’rethemselvesagain.”

We’vehadhintsoftheseforalongtime.Howmuchofthecurrentmentalillnessthat’souttheredoyouthinkisactuallyenvironmentalillness?

Walter: Oh,nowthat’sagoodquestion.Depressionwhichisahugethingrightnow,therearesomanyoftheenvironmentaltoxicantsthatare


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neurotoxinsthatcausedepressionthatareknowntocausedepression.Whenyoujustlookat…Ifyoutakethetop20toxicantcompoundsouttherethatwe’reexposedtohugeamountseveryday,vehicularexhausts,organophosphatepesticides,solvents,plasticizers,BPA,allthesethings.Ifyoujustlookatthose,thelist,oneofthetopsymptoms,fatigue,depression,headache,mooddisorders,moodswings,weightgain.

Dave: PMS…PMSandweightgainyeah?

Walter: Thesethingsthatweareallsousedtoseeingbutwebecomesousedtoit,whenI…IhadafacilityupinSeattleforacoupleofdecadeswherewedidcleansingonpatients,andthebiggestthingthatmypatientsaidtomewhentheydidthecleansing,twothings.TheoneIheardmostcommonlywas,“Doc,IfeellikeI’m20yearsyounger,”andthey’doftencomebackafterafewmonthsandgo,“Ididn’tchangemydietandIlost20pounds.”I’vecometobelievethatit’snotusgettingolder,addingmorebirthdaystoourresume.It’saddingmoreofthetoxicantloadtoourbodies.

OfallthecompoundsthatCDChasdocumentedinus,I’vetakeneachonetoPubMed,putthenameofthecompoundinthesearchboxandthenwent,“Andmitochondria.”

Dave: Yes,Idothatallthetime.Itfeelslikemyhobby.

Walter: 100%ofthese140compoundsthatareinallofusaremitochondrialpoisons.Ifyougotamitochondrialpoisoninyou,you’regoingtobetired.Yourbrainisnotgoingtowork.You’renotgoingtobeabletokeepyourweightdown.You’regoingtohaveproblemswithdiabetes.Allthegreathealthproblems,somanyofthemaremitochondria-relateddisordersincludingparkinsonismwhichisgoingupinratesdramaticallyaswell.Whenwereducetheseloads,themitochondria,youfeelgreat.

Dave: Theydofeelgreat.Forpeoplelisteningwhodon’tknowtheroleofmitochondriainthebody,thesearebasicallythepowerplantsinthe


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cells.TheyburnenergyATPandthenitgetsrecycledintomoreenergyusingsugarorfatitturnsout.Whatthismeansislikethere’salight.Theyactuallymakealittleelectronandinfact,theymakeabiophotontoowefoundout.Thesearebasicallythelight,thesparkoflifeliterallyismadebymitochondria.Ifyoutakesomethingintothebodythatreducestheeffectivenessofthat,it’slikeadimmerswitchonyourlife.Thepartofthebrainwiththemostmitochondriaistheprefrontalcortex,themostrecentlyevolved,mosthumanpartofthebrain.

Whoa!Ifyoutakeoneofthese140toxinsyou’retakingaboutthataffectyourmitochondriaandyoudimyourlightsalittlebitandyoudoitoverandoverandover,ofcourseyou’regoingtobetiredbecauseyourbrain’sbatteriesaren'tworkingright.

Walter: Themitochondriaareneededineachcellforthatcellwhetherit’saneyecell,orheartcell,orlivercell,orbreastcell,askincell,amusclecelltodoitsjobright.Ifyouhavebodypartsthataren'tdoingtheirjobright,maybethemitochondriaarepoisoned.

Dave: Thiswon’tbeasurprisetoyoubutforalotofpeoplelistening.Ifyou’rehavingahardtimegettingpregnantlikeoneineightcouplesofanyagenowwhocannotgetpregnantwithoutassistance,oneineight,sofertilityisbasicsignofhowresilientyouare.Ifyou’reattheagewhenyoushouldbefertileandyou’renotfertilelikesomethingisreallywrongandyou’reprobablynotgoingtoliveaslongasyoushould.It’spossiblethatyouhaveacystorsomethingandthatthere’ssomethingoutofthatbutifyoudon’tknowthereason,IwouldbereallyconcernedaboutmyownlongevitywhetherornotIwasplanningtohavekids.

Ifyoulookatoneofthebigthings,it’smitochondrialstrengthofsemen.Ifyourswimmersaren'tswimming,theoddsarethatyourheartisn'tpumpingthewayitcouldbe.Yourbrainisn'tthinkingthewayitcouldbeanditallcomesdowntotheselittlemitochondria.Now,weprobablygotpeoplescareddoinggreatlikethere’ssomethingdimming,thesparkoflifeinmybody.Whatdoyoudoasanenvironmentalmedicinedoctorwhensomeonecomesinandsays,“Allright,Iwantmorespark.”Howdoyoufixthemitochondria?


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Walter: Thefirststeponeinenvironmentalmedicineisavoidance.AsImentionedbefore,over80%ofthetoxicantsrollingaroundinourbloodstreamarenon-persistent.Ifyoustophavingthemcomeinyournoseorinyourmouthoronyourskin,they’renotgoingtobegetthere.Givethemtwoweeks,threeweeks,youdon’thaveanymore.That’sthefirststep.

SuzanneSomersinterviewedmeforherbookbecauseshewasreallyenthralledaboutmybook.ShegavemesomegreatfeedbackonmybookcalledClean,Green,andLeanthattakespeoplethroughtheirhomeandtheirdiet,helpsthemidentifywhattoclearout.Now,whenIreallyhoneinonthoseCDCinformation,thebookofthecompoundsthatareinourbodyareairborne,andthemajorityofthatisfromourhomeair.Itiscriticalthatwegetourhomeairtakencareof.IhavemyHolyTrinitythatItellpeopletheyneedtodoforhomeair.Numberone,getoneoftheserviceheadtosuckallthedustoutoftheairducts.

Dave: Yes,andthemoldspores.

Walter: Yeah.Becausealltheenvironmentalchemicalsinthemoldsporesaren'tlikefreefloatingsomuch.They’reboundtodustparticles.Yougetaserviceinthatsucksallthatoutwhetherit’sanewconstructionorbeentherealongtime,bothhavereasonstodoit.Thenyoureplaceyourharnessfilterswithhigh-qualitypleatedairfilters.Theylooklikeacompressedaccordionandyouwantthehigh-qualitypleatedfiltersthatareelectrostaticandthey’llcostyou15bucksapop,15to20bucksapop.Youdon’tbuy…

Dave: That’sprettyexpensivetogetridoftoxins.Areyousureit’sworthit?

Walter: Ohmygoodness.Whatpeopletypicallydoarethe$3.50onesthatlooklikeit’sspuncandycorn.Thatkeepsbirdsfromflyingthroughbutdoesn’tstopthedust.

Dave: We’retalkingaboutthecostoftwolattes.

Walter: Iknow.


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Dave: It’snotverymuchmoneycomparedtothebenefits.

Walter: Yeah.Thenyougetahigh-qualityairpurifierinthehome,notanozonegeneratorandnotoneofthosepassiveones.Onethatactuallygrabstheairandforcesitthroughheavydutyfilters.

Dave: AHEPAfilter.

Walter: Yes,aHEPAfilterandcharcoal.Typically,theyhaveaboutthreedifferentfiltersinit.There’sanumberofcompaniesouttherethatareexcellentIQAir,Blueair,AustinAir,E.L.Foust,AllerMedorAllerAir.Theseareallatthetopoftheheap.Theyallhaveexcellentmachinesjustbydoingthat.Now,Dave,thisissomethingI’vebeentalkingseriouslyabout.

First,I’vebeendoingconferencesforthelastfouryearsonannualupdatesandenvironmentalmedicine.Thisyear,we’rechangingittoenvironmentalhealthsymposium.We’reactuallygoingtohaveadayonmold.

Dave: Ohwow!Whenisthat?Iwanttocome.

Walter: SanDiego.You’reinvitedifyouwanttodoashowingofyourmovie,youcan.

Dave: Pleaselet’shookupafterthis.I'dloveto.Giveusthedays.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmore?

Walter: It’sMarch4to6th.We’reactuallygoingtohaveDr.Gilles-EricSéralini,theFrenchresearcherwhodidalltheresearchonglyphosate.

Dave: Iloveit.

Walter: We’regoingtobringhimin.I’mveryexcitedaboutthis.Twoorthreeyearsago,wedidonefocusingonreproduction.Doyouknowthattheclosercoupleslivetoabusyroadway,thelesslikelytheyaretobeabletoconceive?


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Dave: Yes.Becauseroadwaysarebadforkidstoo.

Walter: There’snowbeenabouteightarticlespublishedthattherewereinitialgroupinLAandthennowthey’veinanothercityinthecountrythecloserapregnantmomlivestoabusyroadway,thehigherherriskofhavinganautisticchild.Ifthatchildcontinuestolivebythatbusyroadway,theirautismgetsworse.Now,whythishasn’tbeenfrontpagenews?Ihavenobloodyidea.Thepointisthatyoucanbuyanice,good-qualityairpurifier.You’regoingtospendclosetoagrand,okay?That’sjusthowitis.Thatcouldmake,one,itcouldbeamaritalaidinyourbedroombecauseyoumightbeabletogetpregnant;andtwo,athousanddollarstokeepachildfrombecomingautistic.You’rechangingthatchild’sentirelifeandyourownlife.

Dave: Preventingautismfromhappeninginthefirstplaceisoneofmycoremissions.ThereasonIwrotemyfirstbook,itwasn’ttheBulletproofExecutive.Itwaswhatyoudobeforeyoupregnanttomakethisbetter.Italso…

Walter: Wehavetogetintopreconceptioncare.Wehaveto.

Dave: It’spreconception,it’slikethetechnicalnameforthat.Alotofpeoplehaven'theardofitbutifyoudon’tplanaheadanddothatdetoxingthing,you’rejustnot…You’renotgoingto…notjustaboutgettingpregnant.It’sabouthavingakidwho’sgoteverythingpossibleforthekidtohave.Anyonewhoisgoingtogotothehugeamountofworkittakestobeaparent,youknowwhatitis.Like,“Wait.IfIcouldhavejustchangeacoupleofthingsforthatnine-monthperiod,everythingwouldhavebeeneasierlater.”It’soneofthesimplest,mostobviousinvestmentsyoucouldevermakebutit’sjustnottalkedabout.Itkindofdrivesmecrazy.

Walter: CanIshareaquickpatientstoryonakidwithyou?

Dave: Please,yeah.


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Walter: Ihadthisfamilybringtheiryoungsontome,andIthinkhewasaboutsixatthetime.Hehaddebilitatingheadachesandnoenergyandjust…He'sakidandhejust…Theywerehorriblyconcernedaboutitandcouldn’tfigureoutanythingtohelpthem.TheybroughthimtomeandItookthecaseandI’maskingquestionsthatI…Forme,itwasobvious.Itwas…Thishappenedaftertheyputnewwall-to-wallcarpetintheirhome.

Dave: Oh,yeah.

Walter: Isaid,“Yougottotakeyourcarpetout.”Theysaid,“Well,thankyou,Dr.Crinnion.”TheypaidmemymoneyandIdidn’tseehimagainforaboutninemonths,maybeayear.InSeattle,theymadetheroundstoalltheotherdocsandtheycamebackandIsaid,“Well,hey,how’severythinggoing?”“Ohno,he'sthesame.He'sactuallyworse.”“Well,Ihaven'tseenyouinhere.Whathappened?”“Well,wewenttoallotherdocsandwedideverythingtheysaid.”“Yougottotakeyourcarpetout.”Theysaid,“No,no.No,wecan’t.We’renotgoingtodothat.”Isaid,“Look,doyouhavesomeplaceyouknow?Isgrandma…Doyouhaveagrandmaorsomebodyaroundthathasabedroomwithnocarpetthatyoursoncansleepin?”Theysaid,“Ohyeah,yeah.Grandmawas…Yeah,grandma.Yeah,sure.”

Hewenttosleepoveratgrandma’sfortwoweeks,almostcompleterecovery.

Dave: (laughs)

Walter: ThenIsawthem,Isaid,“Okay,areyougoingtopullthecarpetoutnow”Theywent,“Okay”Becausecarpeting,peoplespentthousandsofdollars.TheysaveuptothisandwegoalltheseadsonTVtellingusthatwerenotgoodparentsunlesswehavegoodcarpetingforourbabies.Youknowallthatstuff.

Dave: IcantellyouthatthefloorI’monrightnowissolidbirch.

Walter: Thereyougo.


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Dave: Itwasthesamecostasqualitycarpet,it’sjustnicerandcleaner.

Walter: Theytoreoutthecarpet,afamilyaffairandunfortunately,hehelped.Ifyou’veevertornoutcarpet,youknowhow…

Dave: Hehelped?Thesickkid?

Walter: Hecrashed.Hecrashedhardforlikeamonthbutthenhecamebackandhecamebackin…Probably,Isawhimabout12yearslaterandhewasthis…Hewasgettingreadytogointothemarines,bigstrappingguy,healthyasanox.Theysentmeapictureofhiminhisuniformanditwasjustlike,“Youknow,whatwedotoourkidswithoutrealizingit,withoutrealizingit.”

Dave: It’salsointerestingthatifyouknowyouhaveaweakness,theoddsarethatyourkidsinheritedthatweakness.WhenIwasakid,Ilivedinabasementthathadbeenflooded.Itwasanicehouse,nicebasement,andyoucouldn’tseeanydamagetothewallsbutpanelingintheroomwhereIslept.Behindthepanelingwasalmostcertainlytonsofmold.

Walter: Tonsofmold.

Dave: OneoftheproblemsIhadisasthma,constantrashes,brainfog,oppositionaldefiant,inabilitytomanageemotions,butIalsohadnosebleedslike5and10timesaday.

Walter: Ohmygod.

Dave: Whatcausespeopletohavenosebleedsallthetimeinyourexperiencewithenvironmentalmedicine?

Walter: ThemostcommonthingIhaveseenfromthatisthattheintegrityofthebloodvesselsisshot,andthat’sfromoxidativedamagewithiswhatallthesetoxicantsdoisoxidativedamage.That’s…wearepartofthatandthatmeans,ofcourse,thatyouwe’rebreathingallthesemycotoxinsinthatwerecausingallthoseissues.Itwasbothlocalandsystemicforyou.


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Dave: Themoldisnastybecausemycotoxinsareanissueinmold,anddifferentpeoplecleardifferentmycotoxinsatdifferentrates.There’salsotheimmunestimulatingeffectswherethemolditselftriggersoutimmunityapartfromthetoxins.It’slikeadualwhammy.

Walter: Themold,themycotoxinsdothesameeffecttotheimmunesystemandrobbingthewhitebloodcellsofglutathioneasdoesthesewillexhaust,orplastics,ororganophosphatepesticides,orsolvents,orheavymetals,allthesethingsthatcausetheimmunotoxicityimbalancethatIspokeof,increasedasthmaandallergiesandautoimmunityandreducedabilitytofightoffinfections,anditallmediatesthatthroughtheglutathione.Ifyou’rebreathinganytoxinortoxicantregularly,you’relungsgettotallydepletedinglutathione.That’swhyallthoseWorldTradeCenterrescueworkershavethesehorrificlungproblemsasthey’vetotallyrobbedoutofalltheirglutathioneandtheystillgotissues.Alltheyneedtodoisrepletethem.

Dave: It’sreallyinterestingtoobecausewhenyoutakevitaminC,itgoes,first,tomakingglutathioneintheliverandreplacingglutathione.IfyouhavesomevitaminCleftover,itgoestomakingcollagenbecauseit’sarequireingredientforthisconnectiveprotein.

Walter: Connectivetissue.

Dave: NowonderIwasbleedingallthetimebecauseIhadoxidativestressandIdidn’thaveenoughvitaminCtomakecollagentoformhealthyveins.Istillhavelittlepurpleveinsinmyeyelids.Ihavesystemicdamagefromgrowingupandconstantoxidativestress.

Walter: Someoftheglutathionecangetrecycled.Itcangetrecycledfromoxidizedbacktoreduced,butifyou’reinoxidativestress,thatenzymedoesn’twork.Oxidativestressalsoimpingesthatpieceaswell.

Dave: Theotherday.Myeight-year-olddaughtercameinwithabignosebleed,andshe'salittlebitfreakedout.She'shadacoupleofthembutnotthatmany,andthenshehadanotheronethesameday.Ijustlookedather,Isaid,“Here'swhatyoudowithnosebleedslikeI’mapro.I’llteachyou


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howtodoit.”Suddenly,shefeltinchargeofit.Allright,“Let’slookatwhatyoudid.”Shehasaplaceintheforestwhereshelikestoplay,anditturnsoutthatourlongclippingshadbeendumpedrightthereinthatandthey’vebeenrainedon.

Walter: Moldascouldbe.

Dave: Becauseshe'sanawesomefairy,shewasmakingsurvivalsheltersbecause,hey,that’showwe’reroll,usingthisasthatchinglikelittlefairysurvivalshelterswithlittlefairyhousesusing…Shesaid,“Ohyeah,therewerespiderwebsonthegrass.”“Thoseweren’tspiderwebs;thatwasmold,andthereasonyournoseisbleedingisbecauseIamsensitivetomold,youhavemygenesandsohere'swhattodo.”Imanufacturedakindofhighlyabsorbableglutathionewithalactoferrinattachedcalledglutathioneforce.WegiveitabunchofglutathioneforceandlaterwegavehertheactivatedcharcoalthatImake;hernosebleedsquitwithinaday.

WhenIwasakid,Iwouldhavejustbled10timesaday.Foryears,Ikeptexposingmyself.I’mlikeallright,Iknowmygenetics.Iknowtheenvironmentaltriggers,andyeah,whenkidshavethoseprobablynottotheextentIdobecausewedidourbestepigenetically.Oneofthethingsthateveryoneherewhetheryouhavekidsornotifyoudohavekidslater,knowingwhatworksforyouenvironmentallyisprobablygoingtoworkforyourkids,andtheydon’tteachyouthisanywhere.

Walter: Allright.Yeah.Oneoftheotherissuesaboutkidsisthat,notonlydotheygetourgeneticsbuttheygetaloadof…Theygetaportionofthetoxicantsthatmomhasbuiltupinher.That’soneofthereasonswhyeachsucceedinggenerationwe’reseeingthemhavingmoreandmorehealthproblemsoftenrightfromtheget-go.ItusedtobewhenIstartapracticethatI…They’rechemicallysensitiveindividualswherethese40,50-year-oldwomen.Now,we’rehavingkidsbornwhoarechemicallysensitive.Yes,theyhavetheirparents’geneticsbuttheyalsogotabiggerloadfromtheirmomthantheirmomdidfromhermom.


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Eachsucceedinggenerationispassingabiggerloadofenvironmentaltoxicantstothefetusandsothat’swhychildhoodbraintumorsareupby,Idon’tknowhowmanyhundredsoftimesoverwhattheyusedtobe.Autism,it’sallhigherthatasthmaandallergies.Now,it’shardtofindakidwho’snotallergictoanything.Alltheseareclearlyassociatedwithenvironmentalbuildupandthat’spartoftheissueisthisbigpassdownfromgenerationtogeneration.Thatgetsusbacktothatcriticalpointofconception,preconceptioncare.

AreyoufamiliarwithTheoColborn’sendocrinedisruptorsiteorTEDXsite?Sherecentlypassed.She'soneofthegreatsinenvironmentalmedicine.ShewroteOurStolenFuture.

Dave: Oh,IdoknowOurStolenFuture.

Walter: She'sgotawebsitecalledT-E-D-X,TheEndocrineExchange.Youcanplugin…She'sgotatleast…Theygotthewholealltheweeksofpregnancyandyoucando,okay,ifthey’reexposedtothisphthalateatthisweekandyougetallthedownscreenproblems.Wejust…

Dave: HowcanInotknowthisgiventhatIwroteahugebookonthisstuff?That’samazing.Okay,I’mexcitedbutIwillincludelinktothatintheshownotesforpeople.IjustwenttoTEDX.combutittookmetoTED.comsoitmustbe…

Walter: Youcantry…YoucanGoogletheTheEndocrineExchange.Idon’tremember.

Dave: I’llfindit.

Walter: Ithinkit’sTEDXdot…IthoughtitwasTEDX.combutmaybe…It’sbeenawhilesinceI’vebeen…

Dave: I’llfinditandwe’llputintheshownotes.Becausepeopledon’tknowthatandtheideaisthatyouhavethemostleverageatconceptionormaybeprobablyrightbeforeconceptionandeveryweekofyourlifestartingthenanduntilyou’rea192orhoweveroldyouendupbeing,youhavealittlebitlessleverage.It’shardertorepairthanitisto


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prevent.Yourstrategyof,“Hey,let’savoidthedamageofthetoxins.Let’snotexposeourselvestothesetoxins.Letthemclear.Let’shelpthemclear.”Thatwillmakeyouperformbetternow.Itwillmakeyoulivelonger,itwillmakeyoulivebetter.

Walter: Exactly.

Dave: Oneofthethingsthoughthatwehaven'ttouchedaroundenoughandIwantedtopointitoutbecauseit’sinthetitleofyourbook.YourbookisClean,Green,andLean:GetRidoftheToxinsThatMakeYouFat.Here'swhathappenedtome.Iwasclearlytoxic.Ididn’tbelieveinanyoftheseenvironmentalmumbo-jumbo.Notonlythat,I’velivedinmoldyhouses.Iwas300poundsandIdecidedIwasgoingtoloseweightsoIworkedoutanhourandahalfaday,sixdaysaweek.Icutmycaloriestoaround1,800caloriesadayandIdidthisfor18months.

I'dbeatmyselfup.Attheendofthistime,IcouldmaxouteverymachineandmylocalNautilus,andIwasstillfatandIatehalfasmuchasmythinfriendsandIatehealthierthantheydidtoo.GrantedIwasonalow-fatdietwhichwasaproblemandofcourse,Iwastryingtorestrictcalories.People,tothisday,go,“That’snotpossible.It’scaloriesin,caloriesout.”

Walter: No.

Dave: Myexperienceisno.IcanshowyoufivestudiesofanimalswhereIlike,“Oh,yougivethemthischemicalandtheygetfatonlessfoodwhichmeansitcannotbecaloriesincaloriesout.”

Walter: Becauseyoupoisonthemitochondria.

Dave: Yes.

Walter: Thereasonyouloseweightwithexerciseisbecausethemoreexerciseyoudo,yourmusclesaregoing,“Golly,thisishardwork.Webettermakeafewmoremitochondriasoitwon’tbesohard.”Youactuallymakemoremitochondria.Ifyoukeepexercisingregularly,you,Idon’tknow,double,triple,whateveryournumberofmitochondriainyour


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bodysothatwhenyou’renotexercising,whenyou’resittingatyourdesk,drivinginyourcare,you’reburningmorecalories.Youdon’tgetonthemachineatthegym.Youdon’tweighyourselfbeforeandafterthegymandfindoutthatyoulostfivepounds.Youlosethepoundovertheweek,thepoundsovertheweekbecauseyourmitochondria.You’vegotmoremitochondriathatareworkingharderandsolosingweightisallaboutpropermitochondrialfunction.Whenyourplace…

Dave: It’snotaboutcaloriesin,caloriesout?

Walter: No.That’swhyitdidn’tworkforyou.Now,someonewithreallygreatfunctioningmitochondria,yeah,theycandothat.

Dave: It’sprettyeasytoloseweightatthatpoint.Theyjust…

Walter: Yeah.Whenyougotgoodfunctioningmitochondria,thenthatiscaloriesin,caloriesout.

Dave: Yeahandyou…

Walter: Ifyourmitochondriaaren'tworkingright,they’rejustnotworkingright.

Dave: Ifyourcaloriesarefulloftoxinsthatinhibitmitochondrialfunctionsslowly,itwillbeharderandhardertoloseweightbecauseyou’vepoisonedyourselfwithyourcrappypoptarts.

Walter: Ohyeah.Withthepersistentpollutants,theonesthatIusedtoreallybemostlyconcernedabout,sothat’sthePCBs,theDDT,allthosethatareknownasPOPS,persistentorganicpollutantswhich,bytheway,theinformationonthembeingariskforadult-onsetdiabetesandobesity,theriskfactorsarehuge.Thesearefat-solubletoxicantssotheygetdeliveredasfatfuelrighttothemitochondria,andthey’remitochondrialpoisons.That’sabigoops.

Dave: OneofthereasonsthatI’msointerestedinmycotoxins,thesemoldtoxins,fromtheenvironmentandfromfoodisthatmanyofthemarelipophilicorthesefat-solubletoxins.Theydissolvejustliketheones


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thatareenvironmentallypersistent.Theydissolveintothecellmembranes.Thesurfaceofourcellsismadeoflittledropletsoffatandonceyougetthesethingsthatdissolveintofat,they’resmearedacrosseverythingandthentheygetintothenervoussystemwhichisalsomadeoffat,andthenittakesacoupleofyearstoreplacehalfofyourcellmembraneslikethere’sahalf-lifethere.

WhenIputmyselfontheBulletproofdiet,thesuperhighfat,increasingbileturnover,makingmyselfbuildnewcells,makemyselfflushthefatout,Iwasalsoflushingthefat-solubletoxins.IttookawhilebutwhenIfirststartedonthisreallystrongBulletproofcoffee,Iwasdoinglikesixoreighttablespoonsofbutter.Icouldnotgetenough.MybodywasscreamingforitandIdoatablespoonortwoinmycoffeenow.That’slikeamaintenancedoseforme.Forawhilethere,justuntilImanagetodosomeofthatcellmembranerepair,gettingenoughofanykindoffatseemedalmostimpossible.Ithinkthatwasmybodyjusttellingmewhattodo.

Walter: Oneotherthingaboutthefat-solubletoxins,thereasonwhythemorefat-solubletheyare,themorepersistentbecauseyourbodydoesn’tgetridoffat.Iffatisstartingtoexityourbowels,itgets…Yourbodysays,“Oh,sorry.Weneedyou,”anditpullsitbackinandtheycan’tdifferentiatebetweenEPA,DHA,vitaminA,vitaminE,orDDTandPCBs.They’refatmolecules.Anyfat-solubletoxicantishardertogetout.You’vegotthatfactorplayingaswell.

Dave: IhaveaprotocolontheBulletproofwebsitethatIdidnotpublishinmybook.IcallittheRapidFatLossProtocol,RFLP.Itsaysinbigletterslikehowtoloseweightfasterthanyoushould.ThereasonthatIwarnpeopleaboutthisislike,“Look,ifyou’relosingfatatapoundadayandifyou’reobese,youcanmakeyourselfdothat,butyou’vestoredsomuchcrapinthefatinyourbodythatifyoudoitforverylong,you’regoingtogetprofoundfatigueandbrainfogbecauseyou’regoingtounlockallthese.Asyou’relosingtheweight,youhavetotaketoxin-bindingthings.Youhavetoup-regulateglutathione.Youhavetotakeanti-oxidantsoryoucanseriouslyjackupyourbrainformonths.You’relikeazombie.”


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Walter: Yeah.

Dave: Whatelseshouldpeopledowhenthey’relosingweighttotakeadvantageofyourknowledgeoftheenvironment?Doyouhaveotherthingsinyourbook?That’sonethingI’mconcernedabout.

Walter: Yeah,Idoinmybook.Thisisabigissuewithanybodythat’sdoingweightlosswhetherit’sstomachstaplingorexercisingorwhatever.Anumberofyearsago,oneofthestudentsattheSouthwestCollegefromVirginiaBeachwherehe'spracticingnaturopathicmedicinenow,heandhiswifeownedacoupleofCurvefranchises.Hewastellingmethatitwasverycommonforthesemiddle-agedwomentocomein,startexercising,startlosingweight,andthenfeelabsolutelyterribleandsotheystopexercisingbecausetheirtoxicantsgotdump.

Now,IfoundthebestwayforpeopletoreducetheircirculatingtoxicantloadingincludingpeoplepoisonedbyStachybotrysandrecovertheirhealthwithcolonicirrigations.Absolutelythebestwaybutyoucan’tdooneweekandexpecttofeelgood.Ihavepeopledofiveandtwoweeksandthey’dgo,“Oh,lifewherehaveyoubeen?”Theyknowthatthentheyhavetojustkeepdoingenoughtofeelbetter,butthereareanumberofthingsthatwillhelpthebodygetclearfat-solubletoxicantsout.AlotoftheseresearchdoneinbothJapanandChinabecauseinthe‘80stherewerespillsofPCBinricebrancookingoilinbothofthosecountries.

InChina,it’scalledYu-chengdisease.InJapan,Yusho.Bothmeansoilsickness.Whattheyfound,numberone,ricebranfiber.They’vedonestudiesonanimalsthatthey’lltoxifytheanimalwithdioxinsandPCBsandthentheyseehowtoclearit.Ricebranfiber,clears,increasestheamountofdioxinsandPCBsoutofyourbody.Eatingbrownrice,themacrobioticdiet.

Dave: Butdoesn’tbrownricehave80timesmorearsenicinitthatwhiterice?

Walter: Itdoeshavemoreifyouwashitwithwaterthat’slowarsenic.Itreducesthearseniclevel.


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Dave: InbrownorwhitebecausewhatI’vereadshowsthatyoucanreduceitinwhitethat’sbeenmilledbutinbrown,it’sstuckintothebrowntothepointthatyoudon’twanttodothat.

Walter: Stillifyoudoitwiththebrown,youcanreduceit.There’ssomeothergreatthingsonthearsenicaswellthatIcouldtalkabout,butthekeythereisthemethylators.MethylB12,methylfolatebecauseifyouproperlymethylatethearsenic,you’reclearedbutricebranfiberclearsthesepersistenttoxicants.Chlorophyllclearsthepersistenttoxicantsandsoyoucaneitherdovegetablesoryoucantakegreendrinks.Thethirdthingthatclearspersistenttoxicantsout,greentea.AllbeenshowntoincreaseexcretionofPCBsanddioxinsoutofthebodysoyouwanttoincreasetheamountofPOPS,persistentorganicpollutantsinthepoop.

Dave: There’salsoamodifiedcitruspectinisalsoaprettypowerfulforthataswell.

Walter: Itdoesn’thavetheresearchonitthatwouldlike.Theseotherpiecesofresearchare…Thereareanumberofthemandthey’restellar.Thosearevery,verygood.Now,somethingIhaverecommendedtopeoplebutcertainlyitdoesnotsoundnaturopathicbutiftheygotahighamountofthesepersistentpollutantsintheirbodywhichisnotascommonasitusedtobe…You’regoingtolovemesayingthisfat-freePringles.

Dave: Goodgod!Why?Youmusthaveareasonforthat.

Walter: It’sgotolestrainitwhichisanon-absorbablefat.

Dave: Oh,ofcourse.

Walter: Anythingthatincreasesthefatcontentinthestool,thefat-solubletoxicantscrossthemucousmembranesanddiveintoitlikeacoolswimmingpoolonahotday.TherewasactuallyafellowdowninAustralia.Hewasoverweight.Hewas…

Dave: Olestraisoatfiber.It’smodifiedoatfiber.


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Walter: ThatIdon’tknow.

Dave: Beautiful.Thatishilariousbutallright,I’dbuythatfat-freePringles.YouheardthatfirstonBulletproofRadio.

Walter: Therewasapatientthat…HewasPCBpoisonedandhecouldn’tloseweight.Everytimehedid,he’dgetpooracneandfeelterrible.HewasinAustraliawhichdoesn’tallowolestrasothesedocsgotthegovernmenttoallowshipmentsoffat-freePringles.Iforgothowmanycasestheygavehim.Hedidsevenfat-freePringlesaday.Attheendoftwoyears,henolongerhadhighbloodpressure,nolongerhadhighcholesterol,wasnolongeroverweight,andhisfatbiopsyandPCBswentfromlike22,000partsperbilliontolikea131.

Dave: Wow.

Walter: Youdon’thavetomovealot.Ifyoudo,thechlorophyll,thegreentea,thericebranfiberorthebrownriceonadailybasis,youcaninthatsameamountoftimeclearoutthepersistenceaswell.Now,whenIhadpeoplecometome,theywereinhealthcrisissoIhadtousethecolonicstogetthembetter.Ifyou’renotatthatplace,youcanjustdothesehealthythingsanddoingabroccoli,greentea,curcuminorturmeric,rooibos,theAfricanhoneybushtea,allthoseenhancethelivertransferaseenzymesincludingtheglucuronyltransferasefortheBPAandtheglutathionetransferase.Theyenhancethosesoyoucanaddthoseinaspartofthehealthydiettoreallyincreaseyourclearingoutthebloodandthey’reclearingitoutofthebody.

Dave: Iuseallofthosethings.Iuseactivatedcharcoalasanotherthingthatbindsthefats.

Walter: It’sfantastic.

Dave: Itbindsthebilespecifically.Ithelpbile…Infact,there’sachapterorsectionintheBulletproofdietaboutbileturnoverandhowimportantthatisfordetoxing.Morefatinequalsmorefatout.Whatdoyouthinkofcholestyramine?ThisissomethingthatRitchieShoemaker


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popularized.It’sananti-cholesteroldrug.It’saresinyoudrink.Ittasteslikecrap.What’syourtakeonthat?

Walter: Thatalsobindstoxinsandpreventsthehepaticrecycling.

Dave: Ilikethatstuff.

Walter: It’sinterestinginoneofthestudiespublished…Idon’tknowmaybe15,20yearsagopsyllium,thefiberpsyllium,workedaswellascholestyramineinbileacidbinder.

Dave: Lotsofdifferentfibersseemtodothat.Iusedtotakepsyllium.There’sthegasproblemandthere’salsoabunchofresearchonlikeirritationoftheliningofthegut.Ifinallyconcludedthatitwasprobablycausingmoreharmthangoodbutyoucouldfeelsomegoodfromtakingit.

Walter: Yeah.Iwouldfindabout30%,35%ofmypatientswhenIwasusingpsylliumwouldreacttoitanditwouldbindthemup.Mypreferencenowiscombinationofricebranfiber,oatbranfiber,otherwholefoodfiberswithjustalittlekissofpsylliuminthere.

Dave: Yeah,Icouldseethat.

Walter: Thatmypreferencebutanythingthecholestyramine,itdoes…It’sallpreventedhepaticrecyclingwhichiswhatthecharcoaldoesabsolutely.Theotherpiece,you’reworkingnowwithallthebowelandthehepaticrecycling,theotherrecyclingisthekidney.ThebestwaytostopthatistoalkalinizetheurinetoatleastthepHofseven.

Dave: Justputalittlebakingsodainyourwater?

Walter: Yep.

Dave: Holdon.DoIneeda$1,200multi-levelmarketingwateralkalinemachine?

Walter: Ithinkthey’re$5,000,right?


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Dave: ItdependsonwhichMLMyou’rejoining.Imustbeinthediscountone.I’mkidding.Idon’tdoMLM,butMLMbeingmulti-levelmarketingpyramidschemesifthat’sthetermWesternersdon’tknowabout.Idohaveoneofthe…Jesus,nowalmost20-year-old,thefirstwateralkalinemachinesoutthere.Ireligiouslydrinkalkalinewater.IreligiouslystoppeddigestingmyfoodbecauseIwasneutralizingmystomachacidwithit.I’mgenerallyattheconclusionthatsomepeoplebenefitgreatlywhentheygetsomealkalinewaterbutforalotofpeople,itcausesmoreharmthangood.It’snotapanacea.

ThisismyopinionandIdonotknowyouropiniononalkalinewater.Iknowyou’regoingtosaycleanwaterisimportant.We’regoingtoagreetherebutalkalinewater,yayornay?

Walter: Alkalinewater…Iheargoodstoriesaboutit.ThedietisthebetterwaytogotoalkalinizeyoururinebutIoftenfindthatIneedtogetpeopleanextraboost.Therearealotofsupplementsouttheretypicallythathavebicarbonatesinthemthatwillhelpgetthemintotherangethattheyneedtogetinto.

Dave: Onewarningforpeoplelistening,ifyou’venottakingbakingsoda,numberone,don’ttakeorwhenyouneedtohaveacidinyourstomachwithamealbecauseitwillneutralizeit.Numbertwo,ifyoutaketoomuchofit,Icankillyou.Itcancauseaheartattack.Takeverysmall,eightofateaspoontostart.Evenoneightofateaspoon,Itendtobetooalkalineanywaybutfunnyenough,lotsofvegetablesdothat.I’veactuallygottenshortofbreatheandhavelikerapidheartbeatfromalittlebitmorethananeightofateaspoonsodon’ttakeateaspooninglassofwaterwithoutknowingthatthat’stherightdoseforyoubecauseyoureallymightnotlikewhathappens.

Walter: Youcangotoanypharmacyandgetteststripsforyoururine.Testtheurinefirst.SomanypeoplethatareeatingagooddietlikeadaythatIwouldnotexpectyoururinetobeacidic;Iwouldexpectittobealkaline.

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Walter: Youwouldneedtheextrahelp.

Dave: Infact,inoneofthe…IdidthisthingcalledquarterlyoreveryquarterIsendoutagiftboxfullofinterestingbiohackingstufftopeoplewhosubscribe.Isentoutabottleofteststripsthathadtheproteininyoururine,ketones,andabouteightothermarkersincludingurinaryPHC.Youcouldfigureoutwhereareyouthere.You’reafanofurinepHbutnotnecessarilyalkalinewater,right?That’sinteresting.

Walter: Right.Somanyofthecompoundswhenglutathioneisboundtoacompoundintheliver,itbecomesamercapturicacid.Youbreakdownsolvents,[inaudible01:03:41]goesto…Youaddaminoacidstoit,itbecomeshippuricacid.Theseareallweakacids.Ifyoururineisacidic,thoseweakacidsgetsuckedbackinsoyou’renotclearingthetoxicantsmerelytakingittoapHofsevenandyou’repeeingthemout.

Dave: Whatdoyouthinkaboutapplecidervinegarwhichis…well,it’sanacid.It’saceticacid.Isthata…

Walter: It’sbeenaroundforever,lotofgreattestimonialsaboutit.Ipersonallydon’tuseit.

Dave: Ithinkittastesreallygoodandit’sthelowesttoxinvinegarIcanfindbecausethefermentationprocessbreaksdownallthebadstuffthatgrowsonapples.Wecomparetobalsamicorsomethingbutasaperformanceenhancingsubstance,Ithinkmostpeopledon’thaveproblemswithaceticacid.Therearethoseanecdotesaboutsomepeoplejustgetsuperchargedbyguzzlingvinegar.Ithinkit’ssafetotestitbutIdon’tknowifthathaseverworkedforme.

Walter: I’mnotavinegar…

Dave: Notavinegarfan.

Walter: Mypalatedoesn’tfloatthatway.

Dave: Gotit.Thishasbeenanabsolutelyfascinatingdiscussionandwe’recomingupontheendofthepodcast.ThereisaquestionthatI'dliketo


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askyouthateverysingleguesthasansweredonBulletproofRadioexceptthatonetimewhenIforgot.Thequestionisgivenallthestuffyouknow,notjustaboutyour30yearsintheprofessionofenvironmentalmedicinebutyourwholelife.Ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,“Look,Iwon’tbebetterateverythingandIwanttokickassatlife.WhatarethethreemostimportantthingsIshouldknow?”Whatwouldyoutellthem?

Walter: IfIwanttokickassinlifethethreemostimportantthingsthatIwouldsaywas,one,youwouldhavetobeabletocallbullshitonyourself.

Dave: Iloveit.

Walter: Two,you’dhavetobeabletoforgiveeverybodyinyourlifethatyou’veperceivedhasharmedyouinanyway.Three…Actually,bydoingnumbersoneandtwoyouwouldgetyourheadoutofyourass.

Dave: (laughs)Thatthefirstoneoutof250somethingepisodessoIloveit.

Walter: Thenthree,I'dhavetosaylivelove.

Dave: Thereyougo.Iloveit.Thankyouforsharingthat.That’safantasticanswer.Noonehaseversaidgetyourheadoutofyourassbefore,andI’msurprisedbutyounailedit.

Walter: (laughs)Theyhavetoheartheloudpop.

Dave: Thereyougo.Yeah,itshouldbeforcefulwhenyouexpelyourhead.Now,yourbookiscalledClean,Green,andLean:GetRidoftheToxinsThatMakeYouFat.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourwork?WhatURLshouldtheygoto?

Walter: www.crinnionopinion.com,C-R-I-N-N-I-O-Nandthenthewordopiniondotcom.IdotrainingsforphysiciansandIhaveamonthlysubscriptionpodcastwhereIupdatedocsonthelatestresearcharticlesinenvironmentalmedicine.


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Dave: Awesome.IwillhavetogetsubscribedtothateventhoughI’mnotadoctorsothatwaywhenyoucomeacrosssomethingreallycoollikeinIcangetacoolfactofthedaytoputontheshow.

Walter: Yeah.Iputalotofeffortintothissothereiscoolstuffthere.

Dave: Areyouconnectedwiththeenvironmentalhealthnewspeople,EHN?

Walter: IhaveasubscriptiontothemandIreadthatthere,littleemaileverymorning,andthenIpostiton.I’vegotalsoanenvironmentalmedicineFacebookpageandIpostalotofthatstuffupthere.

Dave: Iloveit.Forpeopleinterestedinwhattheenvironmentisdoingtoyouwhichisgroundzeroforbiohacking,Crinnionopinion.There’sasubscriptionservice.IgotplugenvironmentalhealthnewswhichisverytightlytiedwithEnvironmentalWorkingGroup,anotherorganizationthatIreallysupport.

Walter: They’refantastic.

Dave: IsupportthemfinanciallyandIknowsomeoftheboardmembersand…Hatsofftothatkindofworkbecauseifwe’regoingtocontinuekickingassesofspecies,weneedtogetthat.

Walter: Exactly.

Dave: ThanksagainforbeingonBulletproofRadio.HaveanawesomeafternoonandIlookforwardtohavingyouonagainsometime.

Walter: Okay.Thankssomuch,Dave.Ireallyappreciateit.

Dave: Ifyouappreciatedtoday’sepisodeasmuchasIdid,thisisgreatfunforme.Ifyoulearnedsomethingusefultoday,domeafavor.Justgoonandsharethiswithsomeoneelseandyoucoulddothatinacoupleofways.Thefirstwayisjusttellsomeonewhatyoulearnedsothattheycanbenefitfromthisknowledge.ThesecondthingyoucandoifyouwanttobealltechnicalaboutitisyoucangotothetranscriptsontheBulletproofwebsite.Thisentireconversationisnowavailableforyouto


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read.YoucanclickonanylinkonanysectionofthatanditwilltakeyourighttoYouTube,andyoucansharejustthatlink,justthatsnippetofvideothatyoucareaboutthemost.Thisisawayforyoutosharethisknowledgewithlotsofpeople.

Ireallyappreciateifyoutakethetimetodothat.Justpostthe30-secondsnippetwherewetalkaboutthemostinterestingstuff,startaconversation.That’swhatthisisallabout.Haveagreatday.

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