The Two Determinisms

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The Two Determinisms (or) How to avoid being unaware of having a completelydifferent conversation with the exact same words and word order than the one you think

you are having.

The Word determinism in these days is understood in popular writing to portray

a generalized concept of human fate that is already worked out in advance of one's life;

destiny; lack of control over ones own life. It is usually opposed by the term free will,which implies control over ones fate and destiny.

Thus a lack-of-control versus control dichotomy is pretended to have been set up

as, at the least, emotional opposites.

In popular writing, the term determinism is then an opposite of free will and

there are innumerable debates, books, philosophical camps and schools all vested heavily

in teaching such opposition and a framework of life in which that opposition can beunderstood and monetized. There are a few who seek to make free will compatible with

determinism, both in and out of religious discussions, but always as if each weredistinctly separate doctrines and definitions that helped the other prove true by the

distinctions of each from each other.

The word determinism is not a Biblical word and that is the source of its power toconfuse rather than to make plain simple reality. It claims to describe a phenomenon

found both in Scripture and outside of Scripture as a term not bounded by either. It is a

term of an implied meta lexicon to describe all things without being spiritual and withouttaking a side in a debate other than an implied neutral definition out of which a debate

and truth is constructed by mixing in other terms of differing definitions. Free Will isanother such term that also aspires to such a title and also is not found in Scripture.

There is, in the general minutia of what the word determinism performs as a function in

its opposing of free will and not being bound by Scripture, the presumption of one, singledeterminism that is universally encompassed by the term. The presumption is that there is

only one determinism being spoken of and the reality of it being the one and only

determinism is presumed to be without question. So it is with the term free will. In

order to standardize the debate between them and to guide that debate to a desiredoutcome, standard paradigms of what a definition ideally is has to exist and so is implied

to exist.

Yet there are two determinisms. Only one actually opposes free will while the other

actually depends on the concept of free will being true in order to exist itself, while only

seeming to oppose the doctrine of human free will. The determinism that claims to be anopposite of free will and yet is not is the determinism spoken of human speech / non-

creating speech / the speech that is not-God. It is in fact: non-creating determinism even

though it is called by the name of simply determinism as if it were the only one in total

reality because the speech used to say it also is implied to be the only one in total reality.


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Non-creating determinism depends on several lies to seem to be truth:

1. total lack of new creation

2. idealized scarce resources as a result of the idealized lack of new creation

3. men forced to have free will.

The lack of new creation is part of the common sense of men about their own

speech and being. They have no expectation that their speech ought to be abl eot createanything simply by being spoken, as does God's Word. In denying God, they deny

creation and thus need an idealized environment of lack of creation to envelope all of

reality to make their speech seem truth. The idealized scarcity of resources that is

immediately implied by denying creation, especially new creation and on-going creationthen comes as a supposed logical necessity of a speech that can create nothing and so

claims no speech can create anything.

In order to get out of both those deceptions, one has to escape the self by beingborn again in Jesus Christ and in the lie of free will, one cannot escape free will or self

because God supposedly forced the self and free will on you and keeps you bound in thatbox. Having a free will yet being forced to compete for what is idealized to be

perpetually scarce resources by all human beings supposedly makes certain behaviors

mandatory. You have to eat and drink. You have to be warm in the winter and not

overheat in the summer. You need shelter. Etc. So does everyone else. In the competitionto get what you need, you are also constrained by your body. You only have two legs and

two arms, two eyes, one mouth, one brain, etc. That is the common norm among all the

creatures you must compete against for what you need, especially when you think youmust compete for such intangibles as salvation of soul, respect, social status and wealth.

The very free will you supposedly have is idealized to result in repeated behaviors given

your other constraints. Those behaviors are common among all those with your commonconstraints.

Thus, if free will is real, free will has produced its own determinism. I. E. Thosein non-creating speech are deceived that both free will and determinism are true but that

free will is the parent of determinism. What is important to notice is that the same

fatalism results from both while free will claims to be a savior from fatalism by

opposing determinism. No matter how you look at it, the non-creating character of theentire speech of men results in fatalism because of its lack of new resources and idealized

lack of new creation. Whether it is called determinism in one instance or free will in

another makes no difference. The speech itself, because it cannot create anything forcesan outlook of scarcity as common sense and that scarcity is taken for granted among non-

Christian people ( to include false Christians ) to be the only norm. In fact, that falsely

idealized scarcity ( false because God creates all the time and enough and makes sure weget it on time..) is the root of death cults like the abortion industry and the environmental

movement. Their whole outlook is one of conserving resources that falsely idealized oto

be scarce by either killing people by outright murder or killing people by the manufacture

of artificial obstacles to normal production of all necessities.


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None of that has anything to do with Jesus Christ / Word of God and new birth in Jesus

Christ and Gods creation of enough for us all and on time and making sure we get whatwe need. None of that has anything to do with what is called by true Christians,

determinism. Gods determinism is in new creation and is rightfully called predestination

and election.

At least 99% of the time, when you hear the word determinism, or read it in print these

days, you are being spoken to as if you have free will and non-creating speech is the onlyspeech in total reality and any determinism is non-creating determinism by default. Most

who use the term could never explain to you the difference between the two determinisms

or even that there are two determinisms. They are not new creatures in Jesus Christ and

therefore know nothing of Christ.

1Corinthians 2:12-16 But we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the

Spirit which is of God, that we may know the things which have been freely given to

us of God: which also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in thosetaught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means . But the

natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to

him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned; but the

spiritual discerns all things, and he is discerned of no one. For who has known the

mind ofthe Lord, who shall instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

There are then many people these days who automatically supposefree willand a generic

term ofdeterminism to be opposites and have yet to be educated into seeing them asboth. The facade is that because the terms exist and have properties that fall within the

standard paradigms of what a definition ideally is, they have understood, at least in part,

what is being said when that topic comes up in conversation or in print. The differencebetween the Word of God and non-creating speech is never mentioned in such circles and

the implication is that everything within the debate is operating off a standard definition

of language and knowledge that implies language is one large meta that certainly couldnot have been divided at Babel, cant be made flesh or be a living creature.

The people who are deceived that any mention of the term determinism is automatically

an opposition to free will are unaware of the connection between non-creatingdeterminism and free will and the mixing of that determinism with free will to form

communism, socialism, fascism and all free will based religions. As such, they have been

and are presently deceived by those very ideologies in the midst of thinking they wereand are defending against the infamous effects of those ideologies. They took up a

generic determinism as if it were the genuine new creation, predestination and election of

God in Jesus Christ as a defense against the anarchy and destruction of libertarian freewill and yet the same infamous effects are occurring as if they had done nothing, even as

they win debate after debate against those who champion libertarian free will. They are

then seduced by the defeats into being deceived that pure determinism is not a useful

defense against evil. Being already deceived that the determinism which they wielded as


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a sword of defense is the same as Gods new creation, predestination and election in Jesus

Christ, they are easily ensnared in false religion that combines determinism and free will

and the effects come faster and are more devastating. This happens while they neverunderstood the non-creating determinism was placed there to be easily defeated by its

opponent ( free will ) due to the properties assigned to it just so it could seem an opposite

of free will for a time. The time spent learning the whole system is also the time of yourlife.

The confusion over the two determinisms is not an accident. It is the judgment of God putinto practice via the deceit of Lucifer. It is the result of a continuous campaign to usurp

the plain Word of God and substitute Christ with a lexicon that appears more

multipurpose and flexible than God as Word as a test on Gods people and judgment on

the world.

The modern philosophical debates over whether free will exists as a universal paradigm

have non-creating determinism as their sole determinism to oppose for public viewing. It

gives the impression of a fight over truth when the whole is one single paradigm that endsat the same conclusion no matter how it is argued or who wins: free will based

determinism. After that, whether one is a Nazi, a communist or a socialist is simplyrandom while the religious choices all end the same as well. All of them will be in the

lake of fire, no matter who wins a vapid and lying argument over whose system brings

any stability or prosperity. The only thing that determines which supposed independent

system one is a part of is how the emotion is done and how concepts of fairness arepresented for each.

Gods new creation, predestination and election in Jesus Christ is completely separatefrom non-creating determinism. God knows what He wants to perform and creates it. We

grow within it and as part of it as God does it through us. In non-creating determinism,

the determinism spoken by non-creating speech, there is no God, all that exists cameabout as a result of a mystery and things are the way they are and can never change: no

growth, no spiritual life; no hope of change other than perpetual warfare as one party

gains the old seats and property of a former class of adversaries and all struggle overidealized perpetually limited resources with free will. Plainly non-creating determinism

and the lie of free will begin and end as the very fatalism they claim to oppose.

Both determinisms actually exist in total reality. One is the truth of Jesus Christ and theother is a lie. Understanding that lies exist in reality is part of understanding the

difference between the two determinisms. While non-creating determinism is a lie, just as

free will is a lie, both of them as lies exist and have consequences: lies effect reality.

2. The differences between them

Comparing of morality of each: concepts of fairness and justice in God's predestination

versus non-creating determinism.


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When you are deceived you have free will, yet live in an environment of scarceresources, your sense of fairness and justice revolve around personal survival: Getting

Your Share. Given that you are deceived people have free will, the other people are

mistakenly seen as being powerful to effect their own security and that you must effectyour own as a defense against not having enough before they get it all and while you

have good health. If you don't think you have gotten your share or whatever resource you

desire in any given situation, you do not look at God and wait: you automatically accusesomeone else, even if they are anonymous, of having stolen what was rightfully yours.

Having enough of anything is not a relationship between you and God, because you deny

God and God's character by claiming to have free will and thus are being forced into a

hard, non-creating determinism that results in your resentment of your family, neighborsand anonymous persons someone else, anyone else, portrays as 'takers'. Doing whatever

is necessary to sustain both your ideology and get what is supposedly yours by the means

of your ideology becomes the slogan Whatever it Takes. and is your only sense of what

justice can be. If you don't do it to someone else first, if they are in your ideology, theywill do it to you and if they are not, you see them as stupid persons unaware they need the

idealized scarce resource before it is all gone. You are fatalistic combined with desperatein the fatalism while you make fun of those not in your ideology of free will or non-

creating determinism and call Calvinism fatalism as if you were none of those things.

All the while you plan day and night how to 'get yours' with no thought whatsoever for

new creation through you, only stealing from the new creation God has performedthrough others.

The deceit of Determinism based on non-creation forces a mixing of non-creating ,human speech based determinism and free will and that combination always destroys

men.

The Hindus who ran to Islam, as running from one religious system that mixes

non-creating determinism with the lie of human free will did so because they were

deceived there was such a thing as a spiritual caste at all and it turns out they were ofthe lowest caste ( with all the baggage that carries with it to a whole society ) accordint to

the experts that are said to be priests in Hinduism. They ran because Islam was portrayed

to be an equalizer between men as making all men equal. Yet they have already found

that Islam carries with it its own caste system. The Arab immigrants are viewed amongstthemselves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims)

as being purer Islamics and for the most part left Arab lands because they were

themselves seen as a lower caste within their home country or in comparison with othertribes. Those former Hindus or non-Brahmins in general of certain occupations are seenas less pure and in some instances have been excluded from mosques.

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In another book Waslus Sabab Fi Faslin Nasb, written by him in support

of Mufti Muhammad Shafi Usmanis book Nihayat al-Arab fi-Ghayat al-

Nasb, he contemptuously referred to the weaver caste as Julahas,condemning them for calling themselves Ansaris (Helpers) instead. He

argued that this was forbidden as it was akin to changing ones nasb ordescent by wrongly claiming to be descendants of the Ansars of Medina whohad helped the Prophet when he had migrated there from Mecca. To back his

claim he invoked a tradition attributed to the Prophet, according to which the

Prophet reportedly declared that a person who claims to be the son of anyoneother than his father will not enter heaven.

Essentially, both the Hindus and the Islamics have a caste system and the abovequote by an Islamic writer supports both: to say you are something other than what you

are as defined by Islamics or Hindu caste systems is to supposedly deny yourself

heaven. Once they say you are a certain caste, you have to remain that way your entire

life and pass that on to your children because it is supposedly determinedby God. BUT:according to both Hinduism, Islam and Arminians, Calvary Chapel, Liberty University,

Southern Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Romanists and Eastern Orthodox, you have

free will and cant get out of it, so its all up to you. Get that? Its supposedly NOT up toyou to get in or out of a particular religion that assigns your role in society, but it is up to

you whatever you do within those bounds and within your supposedly assigned, yetpermanent ( as in no new creation ) station in life.

Note the careful mixing of free will and determinism by all non-Christians with the sameresult no matter the religious system invoked to excuse it. That is the classic cult

mentality: to mix determinism and free will and end up saying you are only responsible

for what God has not pre-determined about you or Gods pre-determination depends onyou and yet to keep you a slave nonetheless to others by a false representation of

election and predestination, but to pretend to be like Calvinism.

It is understandable on a certain fallen human level: a few demonically inspired Arabs

made up Islam, have now deceived a lot more Arabs, and see everyone else as rentingideology from them. So they have a landlord mentality the way certain families in

America have about the abortion movement and occult movements in general. The so-

called Islamic holy sites outside of Arab lands are easily seen as attempts to get aindependent franchise on the spiritual tourism business, which usually can be turned into

political capital once a critical mass of the population has been enslaved by the new

ideology-as-business-model. Islam comes in as a kind of communism-as-savior for

everyman but has the usual results of a non-christian society: a cut throat dog eat dog wayof life wherein certain families seek to place others beneath them with religious tools as

Satan does it through them all.

Islam and Hinduism and even Arminianism ( false Christianity premised on human free

will ) is a sexy beast to a poor man and his wife looking for a way out of derision fromthe upper class, er, caste. But in the end, it is only the same lie wearing different clothes

and it is forbidden to look at the details from within the religion. One could go so far as to


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say that within the false religions, it is immoralto see the truth of what the religions are

actually doing to its own adherents.

The caste system has been legally outlawed in India but still remains very much a societal

norm. The same problem exists in Pakistan among the Muslims. The links provided onlyscratch the surface of what has been and is being written about this by those involved

while many in the West seem to be so stupefied by the smell of any new religion thatcomes along and the PR about itself it puts out through its agents in the popular press andas its own media campaigns. The New Age movement and contemplative movement is

simply Hinduism or Buddhism renamed: both result in a caste system.

Tantra sex is a very plain way men and women are snared: supposedly youve got free

will, but there is a pre-determined ritual of sex you must perform that includes killingyour children ..so you can keep doing the rituals; a sex caste of stupid persons according

to their own lies of free will / those who cannot hear God and whom God hated in truth.

The only immorality in that lie of free will is to escape it.

Beware of those who want to be in Calvinist churches, yet always seem to love

Armininianism and are fascinated by the possibility of free will and yet love to defend orat least debate over what they have been taught to call determinism. They love the

benefits of truth and yet literally imagine out loud about what the lie would like be if itwere true and defend it as if it were the same as truth. Arminianism is just a pre-cursor to

the worse forms of mixing determinism and free will.

Proverbs 1:29-33 Because they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of

Jehovah; they would none of my counsel, they despised all my reproof: therefore

shall they eat of the fruit of their way, and be filled with their own devices. For the

turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of the foolish shall

cause them to perish. But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall beat rest from fear of evil.

The power of deterministic based non-creating religion rests solely on a

presumption of partial free will to drive guilt and forgiveness paradigms even as whatthey really accomplish is to make sin and forgiveness irrelevant to those deceived by

them when they have been through a few cycles of rule breaking followed by a

forgiveness paradigm and are constantly told that is all that is possible as an endless cycleitself. It should be well understood that it is the presumption of free will coupled with the

failure to use that free will correctly within the rules of the cult that drives the need for a

forgiveness paradigm and brings in the cash for those who say they have dedicated their

lives to God so that they could tell others how to be forgiven and yet stay the samecreature they already are in the same speech they already have and in addition you

supposedly cannot escape having a supposed free will and thus cannot escape the whole

cycle. The whole of the doctrines are arguments and policies intended to seem to be acalendar that marks natural events as you live through time in the ideology/spirit. In fact

it is a machine of spirits as spiritual technology that runs off non-creating speech and its

output is death. Areas of philosophy and the non-religious environment of ideas are reallynot so independent; like a car engine which is made up of many smaller machines


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working in concert, all connected by a serpentine belt of non-creating speech and the fuel

is blood. One machine is the lie of free will, another is what the free will is supposedly

applied to; another is a converter of effects from emotional to emotional positive, etc.

If there is no presumption of free will and you understand that God creates from

within you because you know the difference between God as Creating Word and non-creating speech and that all your life is focused on a per-determined end in Christ in

grace, you know things happen to you that you don't and can't control. You know some

will be good and some will be bad.

Your sense of justice and fairness is then compassionate on others because you

know the same is true of them. Part of that justice is that you automatically escape false

religion because all of false religion is based on at least partial free will to develop somereward system from their god. You automatically escape the caste systems as well.

You also escape the vanity of the attempt to stabilize a particular definition of love inorder to know it has been done by the free will in order to secure benefits of it. Instead

you know God is love and lives in you and He provides you with what you need as partof His character.

Plainly the attempt to stabilize a false definition of determinism; to lock it into a

free will based mindset as secular therapy and exclude it from God's creating pre-determiniation of your life is proselytizing by other means than direct advertising for

false religions and is done to serendipitously make those false religions seem logical. It is

also done to set up another false doctrine: spiritual uniformitarianism.

3. Spiritual Uniformitarianism and False Determinism

Real Christians need to understand several things in order to be able to fight the spiritual

enemies of our enemies in order to set our enemies free and make them brethren.

1. The spiritual attacks we endure today are not the same spiritual attacks as thoseexperienced by the Old Testament patriarchs. Sin is still sin and men are still Fallen and

are still totally depraved (totally unable to know God and accept salvation prior to new

birth in Jesus Christ by an act of unmerited grace of God no matter the matrix of spirits in

which such goals are posed..) and endure spiritual attacks as a meta, but the particularattacks endured both by men and new creatures in Jesus Christ are not the same because

some old enemies God destroyed.

The wisdom that was the power behind Satans former attack style in the Old Testamenthas been destroyed by God. God Said He would do that.

Isaiah 29:13-16 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me

with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart

far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men. Therefore,

behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous

work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the

understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Woe unto them that seek deep to


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hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say,

Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down

shall be esteemed as the potters clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He

made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no

understanding?

In the cross of Christ is proven that He fulfilled that promise:

1Corinthians 1:19-20 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will

bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the

scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom

of this world?

The outlook of spiritualuniformitarianism is essentially that nothing has changed since

Adam on the spiritual playing field/landscape: that we supposedly are enduring the sameattacks as those of the Patriarchs because the same spiritual beings and forces are still

arrayed against us.

Anti-Christ and Satan are very definitely still extant as enemies. But many within them

have been destroyed and they have been forced to change tactics to accomplish the sameends.

In that blindness of uniformitarianism is a denial that God has destroyed the very wisdom

by which Satan attacked brethren in former times ( even though God directly Says He

already destroyed it) and a denial that God used those very brethren to defeat Satan and todestroy that wisdom ( even though He is said in the New Testament to have done exactly

that).

Hebrews 11:32-34 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of

Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel,

and of the prophets: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness,

obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire,escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in

fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

It immediately follows from such a false understanding of spiritual history as spiritual

uniformitarianism actually is that if the Patriarchal brethren could not permanently defeat

their spiritual foes and deliver many from those attacks as God did it through them, thenit is presumptuous and even sinful to think and pray to be used by God to do so now. It's

supposedly determinedthat they stay the same forever and never are defeated: false

determinism is always in favor of false religion. Not only so, but it leads to the false

confidence in free will based systems of defense against those old foes in that the freewill based system appears to succeed in mere defense ( rather than destruction of the

spiritual enemies) only because those enemies are no longer extant and/or no longer ableto attack in the former manner.

Nobody is getting hurt that way because those enemies no longer exist, not because they

do exist and the free will/non-creating speech based system is effective against them. Yet

the free will based systems are constantly claiming credit for exactly such defense in non-creating speech and get away with such lies to some extent merely because the spiritual


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takes place as an invisible war with visible effects and the mere invisibility of the

demonic is the wiggle room for the pretense.

Islam, as Hinduism and Buddhism as free willed/non-creating speech based systems,

pretend to defend an idealized non-fallen man as possessor of free will against spiritualenemies that are falsely idealized to seek to limit or take away the free will. It is a subtle

defense of the lie of free will in the guise of defending men from spiritual attack. Theirpretended defense of souls is purely ( supposedly ) accomplished by the wisdom handeddown by the emotional wisdom of a bisexual pedophile ( Mohammed ) and other sexual

deviants ( the Kama Sutra is set forth as an essential holy book of sexual pleasure when

it is in fact simply codified perversion and sin masquerading as a path to spiritualenlightenment while Buddhism teaches essential immorality as amorality ). They are vain

in that they seek to defend and protect what isnt there ( free will ) and thus it seems to

succeed to the simple because nothing is taken.

In short, all false religions sets up as holy behavior what is in reality evil and attacksagainst the soul and spirit of men in addition to bringing the wrath of God and the

pretense of spiritual uniformitarianism is simply an underpinning of their overall lies and

plays well to the false determinism they claim is part of the religion.

Obviously, the attempt to portray a spiritual uniformitarian scheme to

all of history is a straightforward attempt to validate a false determinism. The

false history makes the false determinism seem valid because it supposedly

worked to manufacture all of history and has power to do and so has

suppsoedly produced the uniformitarianism.

They claim antiquity purely to further the pretense of a uniformitarian landscape. Butbecause the spiritual landscape has indeed changed and there are ruins of temples offormer powerful religions all over the world, the very antiquity they lay claim to proves

they are liars because the sole purpose of such claims is to pretend the spiritual landscape

has always been the same.

Uniformitarianism within non-creating speech ( human speech, the speech that cannotcreate anything and depends on lack of creation both to have a static universe to study

and a supposed will-neutral tool to study it with ) demands lack of creation as a perpetual

environment and pretends that such already exists. You cannot even have a sharedlanguage at all without some of what is called standardization.

But in standardizing something to be shared, you have a false generalization going on:

you need to generalize on more static things than actually exists to appear intelligent on

many things in order to appear to be a share-er to others to obtain standardized behaviorin return. You need synonyms. Your need to standardize and to have a non-changing

language is the uniformitarianism and is far more than is necessary, even within non-

creating speech. You are serving a spirit for the sake of serving it rather than thepretended stark utilitarian usefulness which it was manufactured to be. The knowledge


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has deceived you because that spirit has been deceived which you serve if you cannot

hear Jesus Christ.

While non-creating language does change over time, ( only because of the simultaneous

presence of God as Word / Creating Speech / Jesus Christ in the same environment at thesame time..) it never is truth and never creates.

A no more plain demonstration could be made of being deceived that new spiritual

secrets in non-creating speech can result in re-birth within a uniformitarian outlook is

seen in the mayan mask in the service of a now defunct religion whose temple ruins arestretched over much of South America.

demons hiding and presented as if their being revealed resulted in new birth

for the victim who saw and knew them as spiritual secrets

In truth, no matter how many new ideologies are embraced in non-creating speech, thesoul and the spirit are still fallen, still without free will and still damned.

The necessity for such new secrets? Because the old ones had been destroyed by God andexposed as frauds. Pieces of old broken religions were put together in the pretense one

religion was ancient and ever-growing in the one non-creating speech.

God plainly says He will destroy gods who are evil and He calls them gods to whom the

Word of God came:

Psalm 82:1-8 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he

judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of

the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and

needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They

know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the

foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you


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are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the

princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Jeremiah 10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the

heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these

heavens.

In addition to old gods being destroyed, new gods are created and incorporated into false

religion:

Deuteronomy 32:16,17 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with

abominations provoked they him to anger. They sacrificed unto devils, not to God;

to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers

feared not.

The new gods were a result of God creating more evil, creating more and perfecting Hisopposition with His Word even as he sent His Word as grace to the elect.

Spiritual uniformitarianism is then a complete farce. It is plain that even the earthly

landscape is littered with the remains of once mighty religions.

the ruins of false religious power are all over the world.

Even now, underwater cities and entire temple complexes

(http://www.s8int.com/water8.html) are being found. The sensation of finding them

is simply that a spiritual uniformitarian lie has been built in to false religion and no

one wants to believe that vast cities and nations can be built on the premise of an

ideology/cosmology/spiritual concept that is a lie, all the people are deceived and

they are finally destroyed for that spiritual lie they called their civilization.

It is therefore not presumptuous at all to see an end to Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism,

Scientology, Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox/Byzantines and all

false religion. In fact, it is simply Gods standard practice to destroy false religion. Toeven pretend that false religions have some kind of sacrosanct protection about them

simply because they call themselves spiritual intelligences, or because those deceived by
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them are lyingly held forth to have free will and be very zealous for that false god with

that free will or that abhorrent political ideologies are not spiritual enemies simply

because they call themselves political instead of religious are the dreams of Satan andanti-Christ.

False gods come and go all the time, even as their false determinism and lie of free will is

passed on as the next paradigm of false religion that has to change ever so slightly to stilldeceive. Only God in Jesus Christ stays the same and never changes. It is important tounderstand for the blessing on all in addition to the constant questions we have about

what we are doing here and why. One of the things Satan tries to seduce us to do with his

demons of our flesh is to pretend to fight against and defend against things that dontexist and that has effects in our relationships.

Isaiah 26:13,14 O Jehovah our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over

us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. They are dead, they shall

not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and

destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

1 Corinthians 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one thatbeateth the air:

4. False determinism, Calvinism and machines/robots

As for the constant lie that God's predestination and election supposedly makes peoplerobots so as to validate its supposed equality with non-creating determinism?

Does the truth that human free will does not exist make human beings robots?

No. God is in new creatures in Jesus Christ doing as He pleases in any given instant and

completely disregards any ideal model of behavior. God causes demons to be in the

reprobate and even not-yet-saved elect persons and at times even the flesh of newcreatures in Jesus Christ and causes those demons to do His will for those persons and

toward others in non-standardized ways while making them repeat history over an over in

the long run.

Does the truth that those who say men have free will are attempting to make those who

hear them robots who repeatedly perform an ideal model of behavior actually give menfree will?

No. Plainly, the deception of human free will has the consequence that demons areinstilled and do demonic acts; the will is not made free. The will is not free, is kept

without freedom by the truth and cannot be made free by deception.

No one is ever made free by a lie. Be sure your sin will find you out.

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theology not work to do what they wish their words to perform ( give men free will by

giving them 'the idea' of free will ) but that the repeated behaviors that teachers of free

will ( occultists ) seek to instill ( aka 'mind control' ) never succeed in the way theydesire: even those deceived they have free will, that live in a bubble of deception and are

the victims of occultists in the midst of not having free will cannot control themselves

and neither can the demons control themselves or those they possess except in the waysGod specifically commands.

In the 'idea' of free will, there is plain mechanical behavior as the desired norm --not inCalvinism: not in God's creating determinism. To have free will presumes no new

creation and a static environment in which to act. Not only so, but the political 'ideas' that

are founded on human free will all must have as a constant backdrop the perpetual

existence of perpetually limited resources as part of the environment of the idea of humanfree will and must have a uniformitarian environment as a whole that has the single

uniform quality of everything being will-neutral and remaining will-neutral at all times.

God can be an 'idea' in such a place, but never actually there.

Minus the necessity of human free will within its own logic ( supposedly, according to

the 'idea' of human free will, you 'need' free will in order to compete against otheridealized free willed beings for limited resources as a fundamental, inescapable quality of

human existence and in order to get all those things you 'need' in total reality ( salvation

of soul, etc.. ) the whole 'idea' of free will falls apart even as an emotional goal. It is not

part of reality other than to be a lie.

In that lie of human free will, robotic behavior is the desired norm ( that is never achieved

.. and that failure to do the robotic norm is the cause of guiltwithin the lie of free will ( infree will 'theology' you ought to be a robot and yet must feel guilt for failing and must ask

the priest for forgiveness 'from God' if you fail to do the robotic behavior the demons

dictate via priest and pastors ) : a standardizing of all behavior so that everyone feels thesame emotion on que; a standardizing of all things in the supposed presence of a total

lack of new creation. You can't have standardized behavior in the presence on-going new

creation; an environment that is constantly changing. The idealized lack of new creation (the denial of Jesus Christ as Creating Word of God and His active presence in us and in

His making new things in the same environment in which we live right now and making

them in order for them to be unambiguously known by us and to effect us ) as an ideal is

absolutely necessary for the lie of human free will. A robotic behavior is no good whenconditions change and everyone knows that conditions constantly change; a stasis of

spiritual environment and physical environment is absolutely necessary for standardized

"free willed" behavior.

But in Calvinism, because God Himself is actually in us, God repeatedly keeps us in Him

and in righteousness by the blood of Jesus Christ and by His actions through us inanticipation of His new creation; in the midst of constant change, God keeps us in Him

forever in grace and not at all by standardized robotic behavior. God's behavior through

us has the same effect as grace and righteousness, but is never the same thing. By

contrast, a non-standard behavior pattern is death to a free willed religionist and a cause


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of constant guilt; to simulate the same effect of being born again / Calvinism and to twist

it as a lie, free willers must deny that any new creation / new conditions are coming about

right now ( and are coming about in order to be known and to effect all ) in order to keepthe lie of free will logically sound within itself and to keep their victims doing repeated,

religionistic behaviors. Thus free willers are seen constantly to deny reality in a host of

issues and to continually in-fight as a kind ofTheater of Details(http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/02/003-more-on-balthasar-hell-and-heresy-39)

over what the robot ought ideally to look like theologically if ever seen in situ. It is

literally a theater of the absurd to construct a theological robotic yeti.The whole game of Satan is to simulate what God does as if Satan had done it and as if

God were real, --but conveniently absent so that the will could be said to be free. If the

individual is deceived the will is free, then Satan can hide in the supposed free will

actions of the individual rather than being fully exposed as present in them right now.

Satan always claims that his speech is the equivalent of God's. In the Romanist doctrine

that "God has to speak to men in human language" , Satan is easily seen and it is also

seen why he must say that; Satan needs all to be deceived there is no such thing as God asWord that is distinct from non-creating speech.

While denying that robotic / standardized norms exist within it, free willed / false religion

cannot live without the pretense of robotic behavior as religious norm and as ideal. That

it/demons have gotten away with accusing Calvinism of preaching 'the idea' of being a

robot is literally a bizarre hoax perpetuated by mere tone of the accusation here andthere. Free willed religionists and all those who are bound in the lie of human free will

above all else want to be told exactly what to do in order to forestall accusation at lack of

meeting standards/robotic behaviors. "Standards! Standards! Standards! / Rules! Rules!Rules!" is their everyday cry in the guise of calling that "equality". Minus a

standardization, they feel constant guilt as a threat, and yet have actual constant guilt

anyway in that they cannot do what they are told are righteous norms.

The whole "Calvinism makes us robots!" ploy is nothing but Satan accusing the righteous

of doing what he wishes he could do and which he constantly seeks to instill in hisvictims. Calvinism's failure to perform Satan's goals is not a negative, but is presented as

such by tone of voice through free willers of every stripe. The questions they ask

perfectly portray their envy ( which is envy of something that does not exist ) of Calvinist

in that they are deceivedCalvinists are saying we have actually attained to a perfect idealmodel of behavior they have sought and failed to perform. They always ask "So you

never sin?" ( i.e. in free willer thought process that is : "you are saying you have obtained

robot-hood and thus are completely guilt free at all times because you do the ideal modelof behavior perfectly?!) ( and that is even with sin falsely defined as a mere 'act' .) They

are deceived we are claiming to perform the legalism they strive to perfect in themselves

and others --that we have 'become' robots.There are many, in fact most, who seek to apologize for Calvinism within Satan's

emotional response set and as if non-creating speech were the only speech in total reality.

That one error drives at least 99 per cent of all Calvinistic apologetics.
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ShortSummary:

The robotic behavior desired by free willers in order to be perpetually righteous in aspiritual uniformitarian landscape is not even possible in anyone; it is a political and

religious goal held out to be a guilt engine as ifit were possible and had been proven

historically to exist in others AND as if Calvinism were the evil twin trying to do thesame thing for its own 'group' and goals.

We're not twins at all. Arminianism / Free Willism / Eastern Orthodoxism / RomanCatholicism and all false religion is the alien of the truth of Jesus Christ. The alien of

something is not simply "the opposite of whatever it says". The lack of differing

behaviors and differing results of ancient civilizations is plain evidence there is no free

will; the same behaviors for exactly the same reasons keep occurring over and overthrough history --if men had free will, we should see at least differing behaviors with

differing results. Yet each person in that history could not be a robot in the sense that free

willers both desire and accuse Calvinism of having achieved.

The lie of human free will is in constant search of the 'method' to produce a uber stick

figure man that can 'be real'. It will always fail --and take advantage of its failure to instillguilt in the deceived. It's success as a system of control is its actual failure plus the

deception that it 'ought' to succeed in the individual and that God has said so. Understand

that clearly: free will religion as a whole depends on the failure of its adherents to

succeed to be robots and do the legalism at all times and to need the religious system toget over feelings of guilt for having failed; minus the failure and the guilt, there is no

need for the entire system.

5. Trying to present free will as a commodity that can be traded within the

supposed determinism that forces its existence

Western free will based religions basically portray free will as real and something, that

while you can't get out of having it, ( the false determinism part of the lie ) certainamounts can be taken from you or given to you by others. The theory that free will is real

and you can do that with free will is the basis of socialism; it drives what is portrayed as

war planning ( you take certain amounts of free will away from the enemy and thus when

he gets to a magic minimum level of free will he gives up..) and is the basis of liberalism.It is also the basis of free willed religion as a whole: those in free willed religion are

deceived free will is real, you can't get out it, but you also can't ever perfect its use.

While they make fun of Calvinism and say Calvinism makes everyone out to be a robot,it is the reality that no one can be a robot that is essentially the problem for the believer infree will: a robot would do the legalism perfectly and thus ultimately succeed as a saint in

those religions and no longer need any means of forgiveness. So what most are really

crying over is the fact they are notforced to be a saint --that they cannot be a robot thatdoes ( insert particular set of ideal behaviors ) the legalism/rules of their brand name of

religion perfectly at all times. The power base of the priest then rests in the guilt instilled


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forfailure to be a robot and yet a firm belief in free will that cannot be escaped; the priest

seems to provide a forgiveness paradigm.

The whole success of the free willed religion ( success as in getting lots of people to be in

your religion, not success before God as actual righteousness ) is based on the failure ofanyone to get out of believing they have free will and the simultaneous belief that free

will can be perfected in the future to do whatever present legalism they have been given.It is their best honesty and seems to be validated from every corner of reality once theyare in that bubble/non-creating speech. They were born into that bubble and everyone

they know for the most part, and even those who are otherwise physical enemies, and

would be dishonest about other things if they could (within the deception of free will) arein it as well.

The Eastern take is, on a certain level the more honest approach within the same

deception: free will is supposedly real, you are guilty because you can't do the required

behaviors ( can't be a robot ) , --but-- you can get out of both the guilt and the notion offree will that keeps driving it by getting out of being you --by getting out of self. In the

end, the desire to be 'one with the universe' is the desire to not be guilty within the

confines of the lie of human free will. It is an honesty that you cannot get out of believingin free will if you want to, but that you must somehow succeed anyway to get out of guilt.

The Eastern religions simply seek to make getting out of the guilt impossible in Jesus

Christ and seek a way to make the blood of Christ, death and resurrection, new birth and

the distinction between Jesus Christ as Word of God and human speech nonsensical whileseeming to provide exactly the same benefits without a supposed marketplace wherein

idealized units of free will can be traded in deterministic meta doctrines.

If a group of people see 'free' will as a real thing, and they think it is a commodity, ( or

they want other people to think that as part of religious behavior to control them andcontrol other people through them ) then you would expect to see what has come to be

known as a civil right's movement from those people as distinct from those whosereligious aspirations are working to get out of believing in free will at all. So you see theconcept of 'taking freedom from one set of persons and giving it to another people as new

freedom' coming from the West in particular and as political goals in combination with

best-honesty-of-the-people-religion. In addition, you would see those concepts expand toinclude all of life-inside-free-will: they have already grown from mere 'rights needed to

live in health' to 'rights needed to live in pride/'dignity' with attempts at centralized

control of those movements.

You don't see that in the East except where it has been imported from the West.

Both systems rely on the deception of free will AND the failure to perform legalism

within the deception AND the basic understanding that you cannot get Out of believing infree will as your same self. ( The Western take on new Self is a false Christ you give

permission to change you after you have physically died..) You can't do a liesuccessfully ..because it is a lie, it says one thing about reality, those in the lie seek to do

what they are told as they are told and it doesn't work. But those in the lie cannot

voluntarily get out of the lie --they don't have free will. Both systems depend on that

failure to keep going as religious systems and as metas from which all other issues of lifeare defined in relation ( money, relationships, population, limited resources, scarcity as


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control factor in general..) in an overall false determinism that is supposedly the part god

was responsible for and maintains.

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Among other things, we seem to have arrived at what, to someone in the lie of human

free will ( esp. as part of free willed based religious leadership ) is --the necessity-- ofhating and seeking to ignore Calvinism AND the claims of some Buddhist that Calvinism

is 'a little like Buddhism' and the necessity of the Buddhist claims that Jesus Christ was

essentially a Buddhist. Hinduism's caste system and Buddhism's ascension is done awayas well with non-metaphorical new birth and getting out of the old self in this flesh (it

does away with the concept of coming back over many lifetimes as gradual higher order

creatures and/or social standing in society...)

Both systems of free will are done away in the new birth in Jesus Christ in this flesh: boththe lie of free will is escaped (which cannot be done by any but God's grace getting you

Out as a change of being) and the legalism and the resulting guilt is blown away.

The fact there even exists 'another take' on a supposed fundamental condition of free will

for creatures seems to be its own independent verification that men really do have freewill. Even those who have a propensity to be your physical enemies have the same

outlook on life as you as their secret best honesty. I.E. In the guise of two distinct, alien

systems of thought, there is really only one, and one control of one total environment thathas sections in it that are there to seem to validate the lie of free will and the resulting

control over men as a result.

That points to single control over both East and West versions of free will religion and

establishes, to some degree, that 'a' conspiracy exists with men that the vast majority ofmen who believe in free will are not a part of, that the leadership of various religions may

or may not be a part of, that all might sense as a periphery thing, but could never see as

real because they cannot get Out of a belief in free will.If you believe you have free will, look around at the sheer effort to 'remind' you of itgoing on in all the tongues of men. Why would someone need to remind you of

something that is integral to your being?

But beware: you can perhaps say "I'll just stop believing in free will on my own!" --but

you cannot. At best, without Christ in truth, you will end up in the type of determinismthat is dependent on the same physical reality of a speech that cannot create anything and

that is essential fatalism ( what is going on right now in America and the world ), in

which those of the conspiracy have long been within. That life can only be one ofpolitical fatalism ( socialism, based on perpetual limited resources because of the

idealized lack of new creation ), social fatalism ( caste systems, unions, ) and scientific

fatalism ( you've got the 'evil gene', the 'toilet cleaner's gene', 'the born to be a rich persongene', 'the priest gene', as part an overall Game Theory to control you and everyone else.

Or as in the Druidic movie, Lord of the Rings, you will not get out of "one ring to rule

them all, one ring to bind them, one ring ..in the darkness bind them." but move on to a

different abode in the same lie.


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6. Consequences in Personal Relationships: a total ignorance of the war onthe soul ( the result of an effort to maintain an idealization of reality to representreality as a zone of total free will ) and the blame of the attacks of Satan againstthe soul and family directed against each other as if Satan did not exist and God

as Word did not exist; a loss of the Word of God results in a loss of all the truththat God knows about you and all human beings and total reality; --the wolfattacks the family and response of the family is to turn on each other forsupposedly provoking the wolf. Family planning decimates the family whileabortion, self-sterilization both knowingly and unknowingly ( the result of beinglied to that tubal ligations in women have good health benefits or that reversing atubal ligation will be as good as never having had one or that birth control andabortion pills have no side effects in addition to eventual sterilization..) arepracticed purely to keep up a pretense that free will can be saved and stockpiledfor use in a future idealized to be the perfect environment for that very free willedindividual.

Political Consequences: the fracturing of society into false areas ofblameworthiness ( someone or group is supposedly continuously using theirfree will in incorrect ways and supposedly causing all the evil in the world asa result of that group identity) and the simultaneous ignorance of recognizingattacks by real enemies ( actual enemies attack in subtle ways but the attackmust be defined as only something that could exist within a paradigm of freewill and thus most attacks are simply defined away on the premise that noone would use their free will that way and /or the blame for the attack isplaced on ones own family, neighbors and nation ; 1. political fatalism ( lackof new creation results in the fatalism of things are the way they are and

cannot change. Lack of new resources are idealized both to keep thefoundation of the free will ideology intact as well as to manipulate prices in aculture of merchants)

Economic fatalism: merchants run society simply to bless mercantilism and menare deceived economic rules are supposedly artifacts of nature like the sea orthe earth and cannot be manipulated or re-defined. Protectionism of adefinition of money that specifically defines money in such a way as to make itthe ruling measure of freedom and by extension, free will. More transactionsand speed of transaction is prized by all caught within that paradigm. Theresult is spending with no savings and a desperate attempt to spend money as

fast as others and in the amounts one hears others have spent merely to feelas powerful as others are idealized to be because they have supposedly provedthey have a lot of free will and supposedly demonstrate it with the idealizedmeasure of it: money. The result is vast overproduction and waste to satisfy asystem of consumerism ( wanting to spend as fast and as much as otherssimply for its own sake without regard for need ) that drains natural resourcesand labor reserves.


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A plain example would be North Korea: an ideology of overt free will as acomplete political, spiritual and economic paradigm ( as opposed to theUnited States which at present has a majority paradigm of free will based

ideology across the board but at least has some Calvinism as a restraint ) thatcannot satisfy its own need for food stuffs ( the idealized free will cannot bemotivated to do correct behavior because it does not exist; there is no free will..in addition to the reality that a lot of work simply doesnt pay off in crops ascrop failures occur beyond the control of even an idealized free will) . In orderto hide the reality that its own free will ideology does not work even toproduce basic sustenance and cannot sufficiently motivate the free will ofmillions of people to do what it calls enough righteous behavior , part of thefarmland ( according to some reports as much as twenty percent ) is turnedinto opium production to produce illegal heroin and combined withcounterfeiting operations and the sale of nuclear technology ( given to itinitially by the Russians ) , still there is insufficient funds to even buy enoughfood for all its people. They must then blame someone elses free willedactions and be as belligerent as possible to barter by intimidation for enoughfood for another year as a form of begging. The land is being drained of itsstrength and not allowed to recover while the North Koreans desperately needto keep using it harshly to keep up pretences that some day in the future theideal conditions will exist that will be the spiritual environment in which freewill theology can flourish. Everything is destroyed in the search for an idealplace of expression of the idealized free will and the continued suppression ofthe distinction between the Word of God and non-creating speech. Theygreedily practice the unforgivable sin, not knowing that they do butsupposedly needing to do it as a philosophical foundation for even the

existence of an idealized free will.

Scientific fatalism: an idealized total lack of new creation means you stay the wayyou were born. Racism and a culture of death. By its own definition, there canbe no brotherhood in Christ, but only a brotherhood of the current flesh. Inaddition, subtle ways are then found to marginalize certain persons andfamilies who are accused by free will zealots of not contributing to anidealized purse of public free will. ( the free will is idealized to exist and to beable to be given away and collected ) Genetics then becomes the path totagging individuals and families with titles they supposed cannot avoid ( asthe tag is applied to invisible things in the flesh that supposedly manifest

themselves in behavioral patterns or non-desirable physical traits ) and thosevery victims must agree with the tag in order to keep saying anyone has freewill, to include themselves. They would have to deny their own spiritualoutlook and all the false gods of that entire non-creating speech in order tosurvive the threat. No matter how they look at it, they are ostracized andhated on the whims of others.


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Military deception: victories are defined as taking threshold amounts of free willfrom the enemy and losses are defined as not succeeding in that endeavor orin losing amounts of free will oneself

Spiritual fatalism: lack of new creation necessitates a re-definition of heaven and

the lake of fire in such a manner as to seem places of reward and punishment forcorrect and incorrect uses of the free will and to imply identical creatures end upin two different places based on what they did within a certain set of religiousrules. Yet the idealized correct uses and the incorrect uses of the idealized freewill are constantly changed in order to keep a guilt complex ever present in themind of the adherent and to instill new demons in them in the guise of maturingin the faith and as a means of hiding from the adherent that the free will does notexist and so cannot be satisfied. While such false priests and actual sorcerersmake fun of Calvinism, saying that Calvinism would have us all robots, the factthat no one can be a robot, and a righteous robot in particular is the source oftheir power. They have their adherents hoping to be righteous robots that have noneed of forgiveness or the purification rituals that keep the priests in power. It isthe deception that the adherents ought ideally to be able to be righteous robotsand also the failure to do so that keeps the priests of the lie of human free will inpower. The whole trap is to believe you could do right if you really wanted( because you supposedly have free will ) but that your failure can be forgiven byacknowledging in some manner the superior status of the priests to lead you backto start-over position spiritually within the presumption of free will ..which isactually the unforgivable sin as default piety. You are placed on a cycle ofvain/proud to be hopeless: you are told you have free will and are personallypowerful and so are made vain and proud ( which are sins) and then you aremade hopeless by the failure to be a righteous robot who needs constant re-establishment with first principles of the particular brand name of free will

theology in which you are caught and by seeing in comparison, others who claimnot to need as much forgiveness as you. The whole cycle keeps you so busy thatthings like an unforgivable sin are not thought of and indeed, the threat of such athing, falsely represented, leads to absolute subservience to the priests who candefine any behavior in any given instant as such an offence. Most often, thatoffence is leaving the name brand of free will theology for another or beingactually born again in Jesus Christ, after you were already supposed to be bornagain and seeing through the whole lie.

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Hebrews 12:8-13 But if ye are without chastening, of which all have been madepartakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Moreover we have had the fathers of

our flesh as chasteners, and we reverenced them ; shall we not much rather be in

subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? For they indeed chastened for a few

days, as seemed good to them; but he for profit, in order to the partaking of his

holiness. But no chastening at the time seems to be matter of joy, but of grief; but

afterwards yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those exercised by it.

Wherefore lift up the hands that hang down, and the failing knees; and make


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straight paths for your feet, that that which is lame be not turned aside; but that

rather it may be healed.

Those not familiar with the historic roots and results of the old paganism fall easy prey topartial free will/ partial determinism systems and end up in a caste system.By their fruit

you will know them.

Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,

but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men

gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth

good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring

forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that

bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by

their fruits ye shall know them.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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