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.PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND

THIRTY,SIXTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

OFNEWFOUNDLAND

Volum.1 ", 5''';00 Numb" 33

.VERBATIM REPORT

Monday. June 19. 1972

SPEAKER, THE HONOURABLE JAMES M, RUSSEll

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Annex 58

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June 19, 1972 Tape 798 JH - 1

The HOU5e met at ):00 P.H.

Hr. Speaker in the Chalr.

HR.SPUXER: Order~

!t°NOURAB Lit.. FRANK ~. OOO!E_S.(P }E.l-ft.lf.Rl : Hr. Speaker, I vould like to

make a statement to the IDemben of f\e 1I0U88 regarding the meetlnJ:5

In Halifax over the veekend ot the five Eastern Provinces with the

four Atlant le premiers_nd the V1(:e-Pn~mler of Quebec.

The result of thole meetin~8 was a leven~point agreement

outllnln~ the area. of co-operation between the provinces. In

arrlv1nR at the .even points,a n~ber of topics related to

offshore resourcesvere discussed IncludinR ovnershlr, financial

arrange~ents and development.

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The seven points are:

1. The proposal concernln~ offshore mineral resource. made

by the Government of Canada on November 29, 1968, and al

announced in the House of Commons on December 2, 19~8. 18

not acceptable to the five Eastern Provinces.

2. The Governments of the five F.astern Provinces have aRreed

to the delineation and de,crtptlon of the offshore

boundries betveen each of these five Provinces.

resources in the leabed off the Atlantic COAst and in the

3. The five Eastern Provinces assert ownership of the mineral

Gulf of St. Lawrence In accordAnce witb the .~reed boundrles.

4. The five Eastern Provinces as a united Rrour will seek

discussions with the Government of Canada concerning

arran~ementl related to the development of the off.bore

resources in thole areal.

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5. The five Ea.tern Provinces are prepared to discuss vith

the Federal Government the deleRation of certain aspect I

of the adminl.tration of the mineral resource- in the

seabed off the AtlanticCoast and the Culf of St. tBWrence.

6. The Premiers a~reed that the concert of ~ Re;1onal

Admlnh trati ve Authority VAS worthy 0 f further studv by

the Province. concerned.

7. The matter of finAncial arrangements in the offshore area

viII be a subject of further study and ve have 8rr4n~ed

for oo"oin- consultatlnns.

1Hr. Speaker. apart from the a~reemp.n~1 themselves. t~e mp.etinas

also provided tvo very real benefits. The ~reatest benefit 18 perhC'\Ds

the creation of a solid front to voice a slnRle stron~ opinion on the

offshore question rather than frft~mented voices as in the "past.

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The second benefit Is the jotnlnR of the Provinee

w1th the Atlantic: Provinces In thh matter and the common decision of

each of the five Provinces thAt further meetin~s 5hou\d be held soon.

The depth of co-operation and the readl~e9s to discuss this

prohlem by all those present At the mcetln~8 would indicate that

inter-provincial co-oper~tknon a number of other 159ues ~ttht he

expected as well.

It must be .tTeRRedthat the meetin~s did not attemot to Make

It must ~e clear thAt theconcrete decisions on psrticularoroblems.

~eetln"s succeeded only 1n creatln~ A COfflmonphilosopbv on the

question and a procedural m~thod will follow throu~h.

Premier Re~an of Nova ~cotia. who c:haired the meetfn2S. stated

stron~ly that further co-operation between the Governments represent~d

and the p.atherin~ of a ~reat deal of scientificand other information

Must come before final decisions are made on matters such as shStrlnp

ad~lni8tration costs and duties. LYF-R-7

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~r. ~pe4ker, t a~ very pleased to report the de~ree of

co-operationthat there was betveen the minl~ters. the flr~t mlnist~fs,

at tlali fax, and to ft'j'lort hack to the House that t t vas a Vf!ry unlted

~o$ltlon that the flv~ F.astern Provinces too¥ in this verY imoortant

matter to our Provlnce.

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Min."uteso{,aMeeting"held MaYi9, 1972 ;:'"~::~ a ~~.

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May 15, 1972", . ..--...

MINUTES OF A MEETING BETWEEN HON. D.S. MACDONALD, PREMIER FRANK$~~~liTMOORES OF NEWFOUNDLAND,HON. JOHN C'ROSBIE, NFLD. MINIS TER OF

FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HON. WM. DOODY, NFLD. MINISTEROF MINES, AGRICULTUREANDRESOURCES, HON. R.L. CHEESEMAN,NFLD.MINISTER OF FISHERIES AND DR. S. PETERS, EXECUTIVE.ASSISTANT. TOPREMIER MOORES, HELD MAY 9, 1972 IN OTTAWA

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1.) This is a meetlng held ".on ~~ay 9, 197,; in Ottawa. ~~IIIIIillI~I~;-i'iIiiuw,OO~

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Minutes of a Meeting held May 9, 1972'-"" "" """

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Annex 47

Premier Moores raised the question of the distribution of the.Provincial portion of offshore revenues amongst the Provinces, andwas reminded by Mr. Doody that the five Atlantic Provinces had,some years a 0 . a reed on boundary lines and spheres of interest.

€I M:i.nister noted t 1,e pro blf3m of. bab ".~~...s" ,and :Ln isc'Ussio!ls wj:t 1Nova, SGotia a.nd the boundary issue w:i.th France ~ ~I1:H:I qU,estion of

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Telephone Con1!ersationwith Dr. Peterson June 19, 1972

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NOTE roR FI LE

Tel~phone Conversation with Stu Peters Monday Afternoon, June 19Meeting of Premiers of the Atlantic Provinces on Offshore MineralRi~hts

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one with Stu Peters, Executive Assistant to Premier Moores,fI~1'~ afternoon in :regard to the meetings of the Premiers of the fi ve .

Atlantic Provinces held in Halifax on Saturday and Sunday, June 17 and 18.

Dr. Peters had attended the meetin and said that Premier Re an was theOlairman. In general, he corrob<;>rated the infonnation received from.. nni5 c eod that morning. He said that the main preoccupation of the

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Telephone Conversation with Dr. Peterson June:19,'19Z~

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sent over Premier Re an r5 name obtained from Pri Council Office thismorning) . In surmnary~ the seven points agreed upon were as follows:

1. The federal offer made by the Prime Minister in his letters to..

Provincial GJvernments of November 29, 1968, and in his statementin the House of December 2, 1968, is not acceptable.

The Premiers agreed to mutual interprovincial botmdaries in theOffshore.

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3. The Provincial Governments assert ownership ove.r mineral rightsin accordance with these boundaries.

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Telephone Conversation with Dr. Peterson June 19, 1972

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Reproduction of Figure 4:The 1964 Agreement as Depicted on Canadian HydrographicService Chart 4490 and Presented to the Federal-Provincial Conference

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1964 and 1972:

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superimposed on the 1964 Agreemenl map(Annex 32) and on 'he East Coasl OOsho,emap presenled 10 'he P,emiecs In 1972

These illuslra'ions demonsteate Ihaltheboundaries eslablished in 1964 a,e the same

as those defined by the luming points In'972, and as Ihose 'hat appea,ed on Ihe EaslCoast OOshore map p,esenled 10 .heP,emiecs In 1972.

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vecsions as Figu,es 4, 7 and 9 in Ihe NovaSwlia Memorial.

Boundary Turning Points as0 App,oved by the Premiers In 1972

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~~:)TE5'~LATE.CfTO RE\lrJ~JE-SHPJUNG~1APFt.)RBIUEF.INGSESSION\~r1i11'P~JIER MCORES..."" ", "." ..".

Ne'wfbund.lsmd - 13 t 500 .square IJI.iles (23\)

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