Octopus’s Garden: Octopus’s Garden:  Articulation Up & Down Articulation Up & Down

ASCCC Counseling and Library Science Faculty Institute

Saturday, February 21, 2009Bernie Day, Foothill College

Michelle Pilati, Rio Hondo College

OverviewOverview» Introductions» Transfer and You» C-ID» Lower Division Transfer Patterns (LDTP)» Statewide Career Pathways» ASSIST Course Search» Challenges and Concerns

Transfer and YouTransfer and You

– What mechanism do you have on your campus for keeping informed about Transfer and Articulation Issues?

– Do you feel informed about current Transfer and Articulation Issues and Processes?

– What tools do you need to do your job better?

– Do the articulation, counseling and transfer leads work together on your campus?

Course Identification Number System Course Identification Number System (C-ID)(C-ID)

A proposal to replace and expand CAN

– a supra-numbering system

– a response to mandates & needs

– a published set of course descriptors for use by postsecondary institutions and CCC students, faculty, and counselors

What is C-ID?What is C-ID?

»Intersegmental

»Faculty-driven

»Voluntary

Why C-ID? Why CAN?Why C-ID? Why CAN?• A uniform course-numbering system like

that in place in FL is unnecessary in CA, excessively costly and bureaucratic, and probably unworkable because of the size and complexity of CA higher education . . . .

• Such a uniform system appears to make unduly simplistic assumptions about the comparability or equivalency of courses offered by different institutions and gives CC students and counselors a false sense of security about equivalency if they are not fully.

• http://www.cansystem.org/CAN_Guide.pdf

In other words..In other words..• CAN offered a means of

identifying comparable courses while respecting existing numbering systems and local control of curriculum.

• C-ID will do the same – and address some of the problems with CAN.

What happened to CAN?What happened to CAN?• CAN (California Articulation

Numbering System (1985-2005)• Advantages: Articulation, shared

number, widely used, helpful for CCC-CCC transfer

• Disadvantages: Lacked UC participation, not sufficiently descriptive, some courses and descriptions outdated, limited faculty review

• CAN becomes a CCC Orphan: January 2005

Project OverviewProject Overview

• Currently nearing the end of Year 2

• Reviewing draft descriptors – and developing more

• Finalizing “validation” process – and determining how to “implement”

FDRGsFDRGs

• Faculty Discipline Review Groups

• Intersegmental faculty develop descriptors

• Descriptors are posted for statewide review at www.c-id.net

Next FDRGsNext FDRGs

• February 26-27, 2009• *Corrections – (Legal Aspects of

Evidence, Investigation, Community Relations, and Corrections)

• Art – (Art History)• Communication Studies• Geography• History

Senate Bill 1785 (2004)Senate Bill 1785 (2004)

• CSU Lower Division Transfer Pattern (LDTP)

• Calls on CSU to develop “a systemwide lower division transfer curriculum”

• “..existing procedures such as the California Articulation Number (CAN) program shall be employed.”

LDTPLDTP

• Lower Division Transfer Pattern to replace CAN

• A CSU response to legislative mandate

• Required:– Identifying commonalities– Hinted at some sort of

numbering system– “Highest priority”

More on LDTPMore on LDTP• “Common” courses identified • TCSU process created

– Course descriptor that would be acceptable to majority of CSUs.

– Course with TCSU designation must be accepted by all CSUs.

– CCC issues with “validation” process.

CCC Response:CCC Response: Concerns raised about LDTP Concerns raised about LDTP

• Lack of CCC involvement in outlining process and creating descriptors

• Unreasonable timelines • Poor CSU-CCC communication• CCCs fear loss of local college

to college articulation.(e.g. SDSU)

Counselors and LDTPCounselors and LDTP

• How are you advising students about LDTP?

• Is there a real impact on students?

• What are the positive aspects of LDTP?

• What are the challenges with LDTP?

Statewide Career PathwaysStatewide Career Pathways

Project GoalProject Goal

• Facilitate articulation between high schools, ROCPs, and colleges.

• Also – – Increase awareness of CTE

• Internal• External

– Remove barriers

Academic Senate for California Community Colleges

Road Trip NationRoad Trip Nation

Facilitating High School to Community Facilitating High School to Community College ArticulationCollege Articulation

Create templatesDatabase

– Templates– Articulation

OutreachWho’s responsibility: Tech prep?

Articulation officer? Counselors? Vocational Deans, Faculty?

Sequence of eventsSequence of events

• Discipline groups develop articulation templates.

• Templates disseminated for field input. Once approved, added to new

database.• Local articulation agreements

written using templates.• New articulation agreements put

into database.• Available statewide.

In ProgressIn Progress

• Facilitate articulation events

• Populate database of agreements

• More templates

• Address “barriers”

Identified “Barriers”Identified “Barriers”

Transcript issues Delayed credit; “credit in

escrow” University articulation issues

UC/CSU acceptance of credit granted for HS work is unclear.

Database resistance Is a commitment implied if I post

an articulation agreement?

““Credit in Escrow”Credit in Escrow”

• Not mandated

• Negatively impacts student persistence

• Academic Senate for the California Community Colleges position

Why delay credit?Why delay credit?

• § 55050. Credit by Examination. Such credit may be granted only to a student who is registered at the college and in good standing and only for a course listed in the catalog of the community college.

Questions?

Are there workload issues for CCC counselors and evaluators for granting immediate credit without a minimum residency requirement?

How do faculty feel about granting credit if the student has not completed any other courses at the college?

University Articulation IssuesUniversity Articulation Issues

§ 55051. Articulation of High School Courses:

“Notations of community college course credit shall be made only if community college courses are successfully completed or if credit is earned via credit by examination.”

Not the same old ASSIST. Not the same old ASSIST. Do you know about the ASSIST Course Search?Do you know about the ASSIST Course Search?

Introduction• Important new features

– Course Search now available

– Articulation Summary in summer

• Allows user to search for courses that meet specific criteria

• Available on ASSIST at http://info.assist.org/ • Report availability

– Authorized users only

– No public access

– Available to others (counselors and evaluators) via Articulation Officer (password)

ASSIST Course SearchASSIST Course Search

Provides Access to:• Basic course information title, units• Links to course outlines, if available

– Course history

– Articulation summary

• Searches in current data only

ASSIST COURSE SEARCHASSIST COURSE SEARCHOther Search Criteria• Minimum/Maximum Units• Cross Listings• OSCAR Outlines• UC Transferability• CSU Transferability• IGETC Areas• CSU GE-Breadth Areas• UC Transfer Admission Eligibility Areas• CSU American Ideals Areas• LDTP TCSU Identifiers• CAN Identifiers

Single Course Articulation SummarySingle Course Articulation Summary• Allow users to find summary of articulation for a

single course• Available from ASSIST Maintenance Reports

– Link from course search

• Access to:– Course history– Articulation summary

• Show departments, majors, GE agreements as:– Drop-downs– Expanded lists

• Links provide ability to see articulation in context• Details of course history

– All historical versions of course– All applicable qualifications– Link(s) OSCAR outline pdfs

Let’s give it a try….

““Database” then “ASSIST Database” then “ASSIST Maintenance Reports”Maintenance Reports”

““Click here to go to the ASSIST Click here to go to the ASSIST Maintenance Reports”Maintenance Reports”

This tool is

really helpful!

Enter user name and password (obtain from Articulation Officer)

Click on “Course Search”

Under “Institutions” select “All Community College Campuses”

Enter name of course in “Search in the course title” box

Select “Courses with Any IGETC Qualification” in “IGETC Areas”

Scroll down and click on “Continue”

Find a course with similar title and click on “curric”

Transfer status and IGETC area will display

If available, click on “PDF” for course description and outline

Articulation and Transfer:Articulation and Transfer:Challenges and ConcernsChallenges and Concerns

• New IGETC policy-implications: partial certification

• AP/IB credit transfer: aligning policy with CCC GE?

• Articulation with independent and out-of-state institutions

• Responding to needs of expected influx of transfer-directed students who were turned away by CSU and UC.

What are your concerns?

ASCCC:ASCCC: YourYour Academic Senate Academic Senate

•Remember to communicate issues and concerns to local and regional senators•Be informed regarding ASCCC resolutions related to articulation and transfer•Get involved!

–Participate on statewide committees and initiatives•Check out the C-ID, Career Pathways, ASCCC, ASSIST and other web pages