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No New No New Information?Information?

Rejecting the Rejecting the Creationist Myth with Creationist Myth with

Basic GeneticsBasic Genetics

“No New Information!”

A common creationist argument is that evolution is incapable of producing new

genetic information.

There are many varieties of claims regarding this argument. However, only rarely will a creationist actually provide a

definition of “genetic information.”

(Those who do are easily refuted.)

“No New Information!”

Using only a rudimentary understanding of genetic mutations, we can show that

evolution can produce characteristics that did not previously exist.

Quick Review: Mutations● Point substitution

One base is replaced by another

● CCGTAG becomes CCGAAG

● Additions One or more

bases are added● CCGTAG

becomes CCGTGAG

● Deletions One or more

bases are deleted● CCGTAG

becomes CCGAG

● Duplications A block of bases is

duplicated● CCGTAG

becomes CCGTACGTAG

Point Mutations

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT BAT

AUG CUU GAA GCG UCAMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU GAA GCG UCAMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asn

GUC GAU

GUA AAU

Additions

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RED RAT

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCA GAUMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCA CCC GAUMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Pro Asp

Addition Resulting in a Frameshift

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

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AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCA GAUMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU GUC GAA GUC AGA U..Met Leu Val Glu Asp Val Arg . . .

GAC

Frameshifts

http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm

Deletion

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

THE CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCAMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG GUC GAA GCG UCAMet Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

GAU

GAU

Deletion Resulting in a Frameshift

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

THE BIG ATA TET HEF ATR AT

AUG CUU GAA GCG UCAMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU UCG AAG CGU CAG AU . . . .Met Leu Ser Lys Arg Gln . . . . . .

GUC GAU

Duplication

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT FAT RAT

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCAMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCA UCAMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Ser Asp

GAU

GAU

AUG CUU GUC GCGMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG CGU CAG AU...Met Leu Val Glu Ala

GAA UCA GAU

UAG

Duplication Resulting in a Frameshift

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

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STOPSTOP

Inversion

THE BIG CAT ATE THE FAT RAT

THE BIG TAF EHT ETA TAC RAT

AUG CUU GUC GAA GCG UCA GAUMet Leu Val Glu Ala Ser Asp

AUG CUU ACU GCG AAG CUG GAUMet Leu Thr Ala Lys Leu Asp

Frameshifts

Frameshifts

Nylon Bug

In the early 1980s, scientists discovered bacteria that subsisted on nylon.

The enzyme responsible for metabolizing nylon did not break down any other molecule.

The type of chemical bond between nylon monomers does not exist in nature.

Nylon Bug

“But this new read-out is still a subset of the already existing DNA. The frame-shift mutation did not add onto the existing DNA rather it only scrambled what was there! There is no way around it, the variation or changes cannot become massive changes needed because if all it does is re-arrange the existing DNA it is limited to that DNA.”

http://www.creationwiki.net/index.php?title=Mutations_don%27t_add_information

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The Easy Way

1001001 vs. 10010011001011

Which contains more information?

A) 1001001 has more informationB) 10010011001011 has more

informationC) Neither one has more information

than the other

The Easy Way

1001001 vs. 10010011001011

If you chose B:

Start with 1001001 (which has less information)

Undergo duplication, which results in 10010011001001

Undergo a point mutation, which results in 10010011001011

Information content has increased!

The Easy Way

1001001 vs. 10010011001011

If you chose A:

Start with 10010011001011

1) Undergo a deletion, which results in 1001001

or2a) Undergo a deletion, which results in 10010112b) Undergo a point mutation, which results in 1001001

Information content has increased!

The Easy Way

1001001 vs. 10010011001011

If you chose C:

Then your definition of “genetic information” is so meaningless that new characteristics can arise

without an increase in “genetic information.”

With a Genetic Example:

GCAUGUACAGUAGGACUU

ACACAGCAUGACUUGACUCU

ACACAGCAUGACUUGACUCU

With a Genetic Example:

GCAUGUACAGUAGGACUU

GCAUGUACAGGAUGACUU by inversion

GCACAGGAUGACUU by deletion

GCACAGGAUGACUUGACUU by duplication

ACACAGGAUGACUUGACUU by point substitution

ACACAGGAUGACUUGACUCU by addition

ACACAGCAUGACUUGACUCU by point substitution

GCAUGUACAGUAGGACUU

With a Genetic Example:

ACACAGCAUGACUUGACUCU

GCAUGUACAGGAUGACUU by addition

GCACAGGAUGACUU by deletion

GCACAGGAUGACUUGACUU by point substitution

ACACAGGAUGACUUGACUU by deletion

ACACAGGAUGACUUGACUCU by point substitution

GCAUGUACAGUAGGACUU by inversion

The Bottom Line

The claim that evolution cannot produce new information can be disproved using only basic knowledge of genetic mutations and simple common sense.

If there are two sequences, A and B, such that a mutation in sequence A that results in loss of information forms sequence B, then it is possible for sequence B to undergo the “opposite” mutation and form sequence A, which results in an increase in information.