Negotiating meaning

K: But I manage to study.

F: I don’t understand manage.

A: She is able to study.

K: She makes time to study.

Q: Impact of input, modeling?

vocabulary

grammar: infinitive-model after error-doesn’t catch on

internships:loses at end

field of concentration:repeatsclarifies

ESP1 you can get some interships in enterprises while you are studying. but in Spain, the educational system is mostly theoricalUSA2 what kind of jobs have you had? I know you worked at a bar, right?

ESP1 here in spain , the public administration is very high, and a lot of people prepare competitive exams to join inUSA1 many american students have internships during their summers and once they graduate either work for that company or go on to work somewhere elseUSA1 is it easy to get jobs while in school or during the summers?

ESP1 liz, I only work for getting money to pay my studies, but not for getting experience in things connected to Law (that´s why I work at a bar)USA2 I understand, Germán

ESP1 luz, perhaps It is easy, but there are a lot of people- like me- that study ot of their homes, and they want to spend holigays with parents, friends, .. ang girlfriend, of course.çUSA2 here law students clerk for lawyers or judges to get experience, but do not get paid very well

ESP1 luz, Madrid is 600 km from Galicia -the place i liveUSA3 German, do you have a girlfriend, Luz and Liz want to know, especially LizUSA3 ?

ElizabethAnn305:how do you get to class, Germán?USA1 do most students work in jobs that are in their field of concentration before getting a real job?ESP1 here in spain is the same, liz . the interships are not well paid

ESP1 I live in Madrid during the course, and in summer, I go to GaliciaElizabethAnn305:do you work in Madrid or Galicia?

ESP1 My girlfriend is a problem with solution, mike. I hear all the possible offers.:-*ESP1 i work in Madridmikecase80:Germán, that is very similar to most college students in the United States

ESP1 I know, mike. It is "students life "USA3 in terms of the girlfriend and the summers

USA2 we also live at University and go home for summers and vacationsUSA1 do you have departments at the university that help you to prepare to get a job?

ESP1 luz: yes, a lot of people work in their field of concentration. I am specialiced in Public Administration+ESP1 yes Luz

ESP1 Liz and mike, what does it mean field of concentration? the area in which you are specialiced?USA2 yes, that is right

ESP1 I miss a lot my parents, but no my girlfriend. the world is full of pretty and nice american girlsUSA1 but do they work in it while in school- before being employed?

ESP1 of course, galician ones are also pretty and niceESP1 yes , they study and workUSA2 do you have any work experience in your field of concentration?ESP1 Luz, the enterprise, if they are good, contracts them

USA1 are there a lot of part-time jobs there?USA3 Have you had interviews lately?

ESP1 next year, I will do practices in Spanish Governement - Ministry of Finances

Group consciousnessUSA1: What is your favorite place to travel during your vacactions?ESP1: to the beach...no matter where...çESP2: My favorite place is SpainESP3: i like the snowUSA2: Well I haven't been on vacation in about 1 year now but I would like to go to SpainUSA1: I like the beech tooUSA1: Here in Ann Arbor, there is a lot of snow during the winterESP2: I love the beachUSA2: i like the beach alsoUSA2: too much snow for meUSA1: The beeches in Spain are much warmer than where I am from

USA2: so what are your favortie things to doUSA2: oh I'm sorry I meant favortie things to do?

USA1: Does anybody like to go water skiingESP3: yes, i like itESP2: I like to go water skiingUSA1: I think its very hard at first, but after a while it becomes easierUSA2: yea i agreeESP2: It is very funny

USA1: Do any of you have plans for next summer?USA2: I am going to Granada, SpainESP2: I have not any plansESP3: i will do nathing, like last summerESP1: I would like to travel throughout EuropeUSA2: why aren't you doing anything Pablo?USA1: I think I am going to drive across america with a group of friends. There are a lot of things that I want to see

input from allbefore new topic

Multiplethreads

.....: En Estados Unidos hay censura para los anuncios?

.....: ¿David, tú eres el director?

..... en España no hay apenas censura

..... vale!!!

..... Aqui hay censura

..... Depende. En las revistas, no pueden mostrar todo el cuerpo

.....Sí, tenemos censura

..... y en TV

..... En television, no pueden anunciar cigarillos

..... solo en revistas

.....: ¿de veras?

..... si!

.....: o sea, las partes privadas, por lo menos

..... en España se anuncia de todo

.....: ¿David, tú eres el director?

.....: ya, en España no es que esté prohibido, lo que ocurre es que no ponen anuncios excesivamente esplícitos..... cuando lees una revista que anuncios os llaman la atencion????

..... El govierno trata a protectar los ninos yo creo

.....: Claro.....: En las revistas a mi me llaman la atención los anuncios en los que no sabes qué anuncian

..... de acuerdo

..... ¿Muestran los partes prividos en España?

.....: no..... Yo siempro miro cosmeticos, para ver que sale de nuevo

..... en USA censuran unas cosas muy cuestionables pero otras mas problematicas no , por qué???..... siempre ay algo nuevo en el mundo de cosmeticos..... si es cierto..... sobretodo perfumes.....: los cosméticos son demasiado caros

.....¿Cómo que cosas?

..... tricia lo dices por lo de la censura???..... Yo creo que es un poco mas barato aqui que en otros partes del mundo

.....sí..... pero la mayor parte de los cosmeticos se fabrican en Europa

..... En España, ¿que tipo de dinero tienen?.....: no entiendo la pregunta

.....: Dinah, ¿en qué te fijas tu cuando compras unos cosméticos? ¿En la marca, el precio,...?..... hay un gran comercio de armas y sin embargo prohiben anuncios de tabaco , por ejemplo

..... En la marca mas

.....: ¿Y tú, Ashley? ¿En qué te fijas?.....:aaah, vale

..... No comprendo la diferencia entre los precios en los EEUU versus España

..... que diferencia???..... pero si un marca tiene un descuento y me gusta el producto, lo compro

..... Ustedes usan el euro, no?

..... si

.....: sí, usamos el euro

.....: €

Ad censorship

Ads catch attention

What money use?

Student evaluations

Helpful? Beneficial? YES resumes interaction native peers daily life and culture practice language different opinions

perspectives

HELPFUL PERCENTAGES

0%10%20%30%40%50%60%70%80%90%

100%

USA pos SPA pos USA both SPA both USA neg SPA neg

2001 APRIL2001 NOV2002 MARZO

Student evaluations

Enjoyable? YES new approach teaching learning (ESP) opportunity direct, live contact peers emotional qualifiers:

cool fun looked forward

ENJOYABLE PERCENTAGES

0.00%10.00%20.00%30.00%40.00%50.00%60.00%70.00%80.00%90.00%

100.00%

USA pos SPA pos USA both SPA both USA neg SPA neg

2001 APRIL2001 NOV2002 MARZO

Student evaluations

Achieve Goals? YES learn about business culture directly from native speaking peers improve communication skills by interacting with native speakers

GOAL STATEMENTS

0.00%10.00%20.00%30.00%40.00%50.00%60.00%70.00%80.00%90.00%

100.00%

BUS pos BUS partial BUS neg COMM pos COMMpartial

COMM neg

2001 APRIL USA2001 APRIL ESP2001 NOV USA2001 NOV ESP2002 MARZO USA2002 MARZO ESP

COMMUNICATIONCONTENT

Student evaluations

Advice for the next group of students? take seriously, take advantage opportunity

(overwhelmingly) prepare for class be open, friendly, ask lots questions try to get to know the people make sure you know when things are due

Student evaluations Other issues (open ended)

want more chat, less discussion board freedom to set own topics

Chat culture influence? Would they say the same about readings? general syllabus of course?

workload, overload (other courses) - time,

Specific questions good group size 4-5 chats not too disorganized to follow (+facilitator, +familiarity) instructors should not faciltiate chat (USA) typing /computer skills hinder some (ESP) access to computers (ESP)

Student evaluations What did you learn?

not skilled at answering this question survey format vs. reflective essay

few state language (slang, expressions) often regurgitate the themes

I learned to write a resume I learned about similarities and differences in

resumes choose topic - answers improved (specific info)

INVISIBLE LEARNINGchat logs, discussion board logs -- errors visible-- lack of comprehension visible-- correct language: already know? learn exchange?-- comprehension: already know? strategies? context?

USA Instructor evaluation What did I learn/Why chat? Worth the time? Did students learn anything? Student accountability? Instructor feedback: amount, timely Grading Need for facilitators Students say they’re not afraid because don’t know

person and grammar not graded No talking in class but blossomed

ESP Instructor observations Great motivation

students stayed after classes until 4pm had to alter educational mindset - to weekly assignments (!)

Truly enjoyed creating ad Appreciated new, dynamic, interactive approach Recognized, appreciated the instructor effort to provide

this opportunity Added bonus computer skills, computer lingo only ENG Learned directly: I don’t think they will forget about discriminatory,

illegal interview questions in USA, about US students financial situation on the one hand taking out loans and paying for their OWN education and on the other talking about their investments (unthinkable for Spanish students).

Plagiarism: increase attention, adherence to citing sources

Observations / Issues Social chat vs academic discussion (influence chat genre)

participation without preparation facilitator changes question, slow down short, choppy sentences - superficial

reluctance post in discussion board - reflective, in depthcomments on evaluations: superficial discussions

Orientation: acceptable posting/contribution acknowledge, refer to previous postings add your opinion, perspective expand with examples, related info ask question NOTE: impact of threaded vs linear - group dynamics

Integration chat - discussion board - chat sequence problem: lack participation, repetition from chat, my opinion clarify instructions, approach may not improve until access improves

Observations / Issues (contd) Noticing language

in the content articles (lack of evidence in postings, creating worksheet)

follow up language analysis (individual, in class)

Assignment vs Dialogue mentality (discussion board) one-way hand in assignment and I’m done it is the interaction, the dialogue that counts submitting late; make-up assignment ???????????????

Maintain group throughout exchange eval: get to know partner students contribute to increased participation limits exposure - alter task input from whole class, discussion among

few ask for each other in subsequent chats

Future possibilities? Speaking, pronunciation skills:

Voice chatting

More authentic, simulation tasks: Video Conferencing

Collaborative project with an international team

Discourse analysis: speech acts