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League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) of Wisconsin et al v. Deininger et al, Docket No. 2:12-cv-00185 (E.D. Wis. Feb
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF WISCONSIN
LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN
CITIZENS (LULAC) OF WISCONSIN, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
v. Case No. 12-CV-0185
DAVID G. DEININGER, et al.,
Defendants.
DECLARATION OF DANIEL P. LENNINGTON
I, Daniel P. Lennington, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, hereby declare as
follows:
1. I am one of Defendants’ attorneys in the above-captioned matter. I
make this Declaration based on my own personal knowledge and based upon the
sources described.
2. I make this Declaration in support of Defendants’ Civil Local Rule 7(h)
Expedited Non-Dispositive Motion to Exclude the Testimony of John R. Mas.
3. Attached hereto as Exhibit 1 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
received from Charles G. Curtis, Jr., one of Plaintiffs’ attorneys, dated October 22,
2013, which attaches Plaintiffs’ Supplemental Disclosures Pursuant to
FRCP 26(e)(1)(A).
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4. Attached hereto as Exhibit 2 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail I
sent to Plaintiffs’ attorneys, wherein I requested copies of communications between
Leland Beatty and Ethnic Technologies.
5. Attached hereto as Exhibit 3 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
communication between Leland Beatty and Karen Sinisi of Ethnic Technologies,
wherein on June 5, 2012, Mr. Leland inquires of information.
6. Attached hereto as Exhibit 4 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
communication between Leland Beatty and Karen Sinisi of Ethnic Technologies,
wherein on June 11, 2012, Mr. Beatty inquires of an expert witness.
7. Attached hereto as Exhibit 5 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
communication between Leland Beatty and Karen Sinisi of Ethnic Technologies,
wherein on June 13, 2012, Mr. Beatty again inquires of an expert witness.
8. Attached hereto as Exhibit 6 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
communication between Leland Beatty and Candace Kennedy of
Ethnic Technologies, wherein on August 27, 2013, Mr. Beatty explains the
importance of an expert witness.
9. Attached hereto as Exhibit 7 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
communication between Leland Beatty and Candace Kennedy of
Ethnic Technologies, wherein on September 30, 2013, Ms. Kennedy provides the
name John Mas.
10. Attached hereto as Exhibit 8 is a true and correct copy of an e-mail
communication between Carl S. Nader, one of Plaintiffs’ attorneys, and John Mas,
which includes the executed retainer agreement.
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11. Attached hereto as Exhibit 9 is an excerpt of the unofficial draft of the
October 30, 2013, deposition of Leland Beatty.
12. I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and
correct.
Dated this 31st day of October, 2013.
s/Daniel P. Lennington_____
DANIEL P. LENNINGTON
Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 3 of 3 Document 96
Lennington, Daniel P.
From: Sent: To:
Curtis, Jr., Charles G. [[email protected]] Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:27 PM Kawski, Clayton P.
Cc: Lazar, MariaS.; Lennington, Daniel P.; Ulin, John C.; Nadler, CarlS.; Sean Young; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Steiner, Neil; Laughlin McDonald; Dale Ho; Prine, Diane; [email protected]
Subject: Plaintiffs' Supplemental Disclosures-- No. 12-CV-185-LA Attachments: 64963966_1.pdf
Dear Mr. Kawski,
On behalf of the plaintiffs in No. 12-CV -185-LA, I enclose a document titled Plaintiffs' Supplemental Disclosures Pursuant to FRCP 26(e)(l)(A). As discussed in the enclosed document, all of the individuals disclosed in the document have already been identified in Plaintiffs' Civil L. R. 16(c) Pretrial Report or in the supplemental email that I sent to you on Oct. 19,2013, which identified two witnesses whose names had been inadvertently omitted from the Pretrial Report filed the previous day.
Sincerely,
Chuck Curtis
Charles G. Curtis, Jr.
Arnold & Porter LLP 16 North Carroll Street Suite 620 Madison, Wisconsin 53703
Madison Office Telephone: +I 608 257 1922 D.C. Office Telephone: +I 202 942 6462 Cell Phone:+ I 608 235 2651 [email protected] www.arnoldporter.com
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1 EXHIBIT 1 Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 1 of 6 Document 96-1
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF WISCONSIN
LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN CITIZENS (LULAC) OF WISCONSIN; CROSS LUTHERAN CHURCH; MILWAUKEE AREA LABOR COUNCIL, AFL-CIO; and WISCONSIN LEAGUE OF YOUNG VOTERS EDUCATION FUND;
Plaintiffs,
V. Case No. 12-CV-00185-LA
JUDGE DAVID G. DEININGER, JUDGE MICHAEL BRENNAN, JUDGE GERALD C. NICHOL, JUDGE THOMAS BARLAND, JUDGE THOMAS CANE, KEVIN J. KENNEDY, and NATHANIEL E. ROBINSON, all in their official capacities,
Defendants.
PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL DISCLOSURES PURSUANT TO FRCP 26(e)(l)(A)
Pursuant to Rule 26(e)(l)(A) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Plaintiffs League of
United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) of Wisconsin, Cross Lutheran Church, Milwaukee
Area Labor Council, AFL-CIO, and Wisconsin League of Young Voters Education Fund
(collectively, "Plaintiffs") make the following supplemental disclosures. All of the individuals
disclosed below have already been identified in Plaintiffs' Civil L. R. 16(c) Pretrial Report or in
the supplemental email from Charles Curtis to Clayton Kawski dated Oct. 19, 2013, which
identified two witnesses whose names had been inadvertently omitted from the Pretrial Report
filed the previous day. These supplemental disclosures are based on information reasonably
available to Plaintiffs at this time. Plaintiffs may further amend or supplement these disclosures
based upon their continuing investigation and discovery.
Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 2 of 6 Document 96-1
i. Additional Individuals Likely to Have Discoverable Information
The following individuals have information about their own efforts to obtain the
identification required by Act 23 in order to vote and the burdens they have encountered in
seeking that identification; the substantial time and expense they have incurred in attempting to
obtain the forms of identification required to vote under Act 23; and the denial and abridgement
of these individuals' right to vote caused by Act 23:
I. Shamir Mahoney 3006 West Pierce St. Milwaukee, WI 53215
2. David Harris 2673 N. 29th St. Milwaukee, WI 53210
3. Rickey Davis 3017 W. Highland Blvd. Apt. 108 Milwaukee, WI 53208
4. Roberta Lyles 3432 N. 3rd Street Milwaukee, WI 53212
5. Shirley Grandberry 1649 35th St, #208 Milwaukee, WI 53215
6. Angela McClinton 9200 W. Burch Milwaukee, WI 53225
7. Lazaro Matheu 1028 S. 19'h ST Milwaukee, WI 53204
8. Orlando Martinez 828 S 19th St Apt 5 Milwaukee WI 53221
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9. Martha Spencer 2900 N 37th St Milwaukee, WI 53210
10. Tommy Wallace 3310 W McKinley Blvd Milwaukee, WI 53208
11. Abigail Martinez 2344 S 18th St Milwaukee, WI 53215
12. Carmencita Jackson 2749A North 25th St. Milwaukee, WI 53206
13. Gloria Moore 3278 N. 17th St. Milwaukee, WI 53206
14. Martine Guerrero c/o Charles Curtis Arnold & Porter LLP 16 N. Carroll St., Suite 620 Madison, WI 53703
In addition, the following individuals have information about their efforts to assist other
people to obtain the identification required by Act 23 in order to vote and the burdens
encountered in seeking that identification; their observations as to the substantial time and
expense that must be incurred by many people in attempting to obtain the forms of identification
required to vote under Act 23; the special burdens and challenges faced by voters of color in
attempting to obtain the identification required by Act 23 in order to vote; and the denial and
abridgement of the right to vote caused by Act 23:
15. Ray Sznewski 2487 South 99th St. Milwaukee, WI 53227
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16. Sheryl Egan 9230 W. Park Hill Ave. Milwaukee, WI 53226
17. Reverend Willie E. Brisco President, MICAH 1927 N. 4th St. St. Francis Capuchin Center Milwaukee, WI 53212
18. Cannen Cabrera 1220 West Scott Street Milwaukee, WI 53204
19. Rep. JoCasta Zamarripa Room 320 West State Capitol P.O. Box 8953 Madison, WI 53708
20. Walter Garron 2001 N. Mayfair Road Milwaukee, WI 53226
Rep. Zamarripa also has knowledge about the passage of Act 23 and the information before the
legislature at the time of passage.
In addition, the following individual, a former employee of Ethnic Technologies, will
provide factual testimony as to the methods that Ethnic Technologies uses to categorize
individuals by ethnic background and the accuracy and market acceptance of Ethnic
Technologies' work:
21. John R. Mas 593 Belmont Ave. Haledon, NJ 07508
* * * *
Plaintiffs reserve the right to supplement this disclosure, if necessary, in accordance with
FRCP 26(e). Moreover, Plaintiffs expressly reserve all rights to object to the use, relevance or
4 Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 5 of 6 Document 96-1
admissibility into evidence of this disclosure and/or the testimony of any of the disclosed
potential witnesses on any proper ground. Plaintiffs do not waive or intend to waive, but rather
intend to preserve and do preserve their right to assert any objections to which they may be
entitled to assert under the Federal Rules of Evidence, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, or
any other privileges that may exist under federal or state statutory or common law, including, but
not limited to, the attorney-client privilege and the attorney work product doctrine.
Dated: October 22, 2013
Penda D. Hair James Eichner Denise D. Lieberman Leigh M. Chapman Advancement Project Suite 850 1220 L Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005 Phone: (202) 728-9557 Email: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
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Respectfully submitted,
/s Charles G. Curtis Jr. Arnold & Porter LLP Suite 620 16 North Carroll Street Madison, Wisconsin 53703 Phone: (608) 257-1922 Email: [email protected]
John C. Ulin Arnold & Porter LLP 44th Floor 777 South Figuero Street Los Angeles, California 90017 Phone: (213) 243-4000 Email: [email protected]
CarlS. Nadler Arnold & Porter LLP 555 Twelfth Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20004 Phone: (202) 942-6130 Email: [email protected]
Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 6 of 6 Document 96-1
Lennington, Daniel P.
From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject:
Chuck and Nathan:
Lennington, Daniel P. Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:04 PM Lennington, Daniel P.; 'Foster, Nathan D.'; 'Uiin, John C.' 'Curtis, Jr., Charles G.'; 'Nadler, CarlS.'; Kawski, Clayton P. RE: Beatty Depo
I have some additional requests now that I've reviewed Chuck's supplemental disclosure dated yesterday that lists Mr. John Mas of Ethnic Technologies. (Your 10/18 witness list did not identify him as an former Ethnic employee.)
I do not believe it is your intention, but please confirm that Mr. Mas will NOT be providing expert witness testimony at trial. The disclosure deadlines have long since passed.
Also, in light of Mr. Beatty's reliance on Ethnic, please provide:
1. Any and all communications between Mr. Beatty and Ethnic (including Mr. Mas) regarding this case (including what was provided to Ethnic, what was received, what work was requested);
2. Any and all communications between any lawyer on your side and Ethnic and/or Mr. Mas.
Please provide this information by 1:30 Central on Monday, 10/28.
Dan
DANIEL P. LENNINGTON Assistant Attorney General 17 West Main Street Madison, Wisconsin 53707-7857 Desk: 608.267.8901 Cell: 608.224.9837 Fax: 608.267-2223 [email protected]
From: Lennington, Daniel P. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:36AM To: 'Foster, Nathan D.'; Ulin, John C. Cc: Curtis, Jr., Charles G.; Nadler, Carl 5.; Kawski, Clayton P. Subject: RE: Beatty Depo
Thanks, Nathan. Do you have a contact at Dechert-Austin who might be able to recommend a court reporter? Also, since your phrase "by Monday (10/28)" is a little ambiguous, I'd like to request a copy of this updated report by 1:30pm Central time on Monday. This would be 48 hours before the deposition and I think that is fair, especially in light of the
significant changes in the numbers.
From: Foster, Nathan D. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:16 PM To: Lennington, Daniel P.; Ulin, John C.
1 EXHIBIT 2 Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 1 of 3 Document 96-2
Cc: Curtis, Jr., Charles G.; Nadler, CarlS.; Foster, Tracy M.; Kawski, Clayton P. Subject: RE: Beatty Depo
Dan--
Regarding the Beatty Deposition on 10/30:
1) We would like to start the deposition at 1:30pm on 10/30. 2) For telephonic appearances we can use the following dial-in:
USA-dial-in: 866-802-1366 Participant passcode: 39416754
3) We anticipate the location will most likely be at Dechert's office in Austin (300 W 6th St #201 0, Austin, TX 78701) but are confirming.
4) Yes, we can commit to sending you the updated report by Monday (10/28), as you requested.
From: Lennington, Daniel P. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:25 PM To: Lennington, Daniel P.; Ulin, John C. Cc: Foster, Nathan D.; Curtis, Jr., Charles G.; Nadler, Carl S.; Foster, Tracy M.; Kawski, Clayton P. Subject: RE: Beatty Depo
Plaintiffs- I still have not heard on this (3'' try):
(1) What is the time and location of the Beatty telephone deposition? And what is the call-in number?
(2) When will he send me his updated report?
Dan
From: Lennington, Daniel P. Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:20 AM To: Lennington, Daniel P.; '[email protected]' Cc: '[email protected]'; 'Curtis, Jr., Charles G.'; 'Nadler, Carl S.'; Foster, Tracy M.; Kawski, Clayton P. Subject: RE: Beatty Depo
Hello all: Haven't heard back on this. Can you let me know the time and location so I can send a court reporter? Also the
call-in information?
From: Lennington, Daniel P. Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:36PM To: [email protected] Cc: '[email protected]'; Curtis, Jr., Charles G.; Nadler, Carl S.; Foster, Tracy M.; Kawski, Clayton P. Subject: Beatty Depo
Hello John-
I'm covering Leland Beatty's deposition on October 30"'. I've reviewed his prior deposition and expert report, and I think
that just a telephone deposition is necessary.
A few questions: Can we set this for 1:30pm Central Time? Can you please email me the location so I can send a court reporter? Can you provide the telephone number for the call-in, or if you'd like others to join in, a conference line? Finally, can I expect his expert disclosure a few days in advance (at least by Monday morning before)?
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Thanks in advance,
DANIEL P. LENNINGTON
Assistant Attorney General 17 West Main Street Madison, Wisconsin 53707-7857 Desk: 608.267.8901 Cell: 608.224.9837 Fax: 608.267-2223 [email protected]
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From: karen sinisi <[email protected]> Date: June 5, 201211:14:46AM COT To: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Wisconsin Ethnic IDs
Leland, I am reaching out to some higher powers here to see if I can get help for you, give me a bit over here,
Best, Karen
On 6/5/2012 11:24 AM, Leland Beatty wrote: The e-tech match helped us make our case, and now the legal process requires me to defend the accuracy of the match.
Do you have anything typically used by expert witnesses to explain why the Ethnic Technologies match reaches its high level accuracy?
Are there previous court cases where Ethnic Technologies matches have been accepted as evidence?
Thanks for your help.
Leland 512/619-8732
On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:21AM, karen sinisi wrote:
Hello Leland, Thanks for reaching out to us. We can certainly help you with the identification of ethnicity on this data.
Our process identifies ethnicity, language, Hispanic Country of Origin, religion and group (ie. Western European, South Asian etc.)
Cost is $12 per thousand records so for a file of this size the cost would be $4,322.00
Our process will flag over 95% of the records, close to 100% with nice clean data. What we need in order for the process to work is full first and last name, address, city, state and zip+4.
If all the records do not have the +4 we can append them, as long as street address and city are present,
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Lastly, our process takes 24 hours from receipt of data,
Let me know how else I can help!
Best, Karen Sinisi Ethnic Technologies, LLC
On 4/11/2012 9:05AM, Rachel Wilhoit wrote: Sent to info
-------- Original Message -------Subject: Wisconsin Ethnic IDs Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:40:54 -0500 From: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
A group of folks including the ACLU, LULAC and others are challenging the Wisconsin voter id law, and have retained me to match Wisconsin voters against the driver's license and state-issued ID databases.
After completing the match, I have a list of 360,167 voters that did not match the state dllid lists. Ethnicity is included in the dl/id file, but not in the voter registration file, so I need to find a way to append ethnicity to the 360,167 voters that did not match.
Is this something I can do with your service? Do you have an estimate for what that might cost? For each voter, I have the state voter id number, first name, last name, address broken into parts as well as aggregated into two lines, county and zip (no city, although I plan to geocode the file this evening and can include city).
I've got a court deadline at the end of the week, so time is somewhat important. If you can tell me if this is possible, and give me a general idea of what it would cost, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks.
Leland 512/619-8732
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From: karen sinisi <[email protected]> Date: June 13, 2012 10:11 :09 AM COT To: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Wisconsin Ethnic IDs
Leland, Our methodology is based on predictive analytics, not on any personally identifiable information. This is not something we have ever done, and quite frankly since it is predictive I am not sure if it would actually help the case. We stand by our methodology, but involvement in a case such as this is not something we would readily do. I think that referencing the data I have sent you would be the best route for you to take.
Hope that helps,
Best, Karen
On 6/11/2012 5:59PM, Leland Beatty wrote: The group I'm working with would like to engage the appropriate person at Ethnic Technologies as an expert witness, purely to explain your method for race matching, and to establish the reliability of that method, and will compensate for time.
Is this something you can help me with?
Thanks,
Leland 512/619-8732
On Jun 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, karen sinisiwrote:
Leland, We have NDA's in place and 3rd party proprietary information in virtually all of the encoding jobs we do. I cannot say whether or not there were prior court cases where our process was used. I can simply refer you to our methodology information, which I have attached.
Please let me know if there is any other way I can be of help,
Best, Karen
On 6/5/2012 11 :24 AM, Leland Beatty wrote:
EXHIBIT 4 Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 1 of 4 Document 96-4
The e-tech match helped us make our case, and now the legal process requires me to defend the accuracy of the match.
Do you have anything typically used by expert witnesses to explain why the Ethnic Technologies match reaches its high level accuracy?
Are there previous court cases where Ethnic Technologies matches have been accepted as evidence?
Thanks for your help.
Leland 512/619-8732
On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:21 AM, karen sinisi wrote:
Hello Leland, Thanks for reaching out to us. We can certainly help you with the identification of ethnicity on this data.
Our process identifies ethnicity, language, Hispanic Country of Origin, religion and group (ie. Western European, South Asian etc.)
Cost is $12 per thousand records so for a file of this size the cost would be $4,322.00
Our process will flag over 95% of the records, close to 100% with nice clean data. What we need in order for the process to work is full first and last name, address, city, state and zip+4.
If all the records do not have the +4 we can append them, as long as street address and city are present,
Lastly, our process takes 24 hours from receipt of data,
Let me know how else I can help!
Best, Karen Sinisi Ethnic Technologies, LLC
On 4/11/2012 9:05AM, Rachel Wilhoit wrote: Sent to info
-------- Original Message --------
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Subject: Wisconsin Ethnic IDs Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:40:54 -0500 From: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
A group of folks including the ACLU, LULAC and others are challenging the Wisconsin voter id law, and have retained me to match Wisconsin voters against the driver's license and state-issued ID databases.
After completing the match, I have a list of 360,167 voters that did not match the state dllid lists. Ethnicity is included in the dllid file, but not in the voter registration file, so I need to find a way to append ethnicity to the 360,167 voters that did not match.
Is this something I can do with your service? Do you have an estimate for what that might cost? For each voter, I have the state voter id number, first name, last name, address broken into parts as well as aggregated into two lines, county and zip (no city, although I plan to geocode the file this evening and can include city).
I've got a court deadline at the end of the week, so time is somewhat important. If you can tell me if this is possible, and give me a general idea of what it would cost, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks.
Leland 512/619-8732
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From: karen sinisi <[email protected]> Date: June 13, 2012 2:02:43 PM COT To: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Wisconsin Ethnic IDs
Leland, I will speak with our CEO. If necessary can we call you on the phone you have listed below?
Best, Karen
On 6/13/2012 2:50PM, Leland Beatty wrote: We really need an expert witness who can establish the credibility of your analytics. We will pay. We don't expect the expert witness to take sides, only to establish the reliability of the data.
Is someone there who can establish that credibility?
The contracting organization would be The Advancement Project. Kumiki Gibson, who was AI Gore's general counsel while he was vice president, is leading this project. It is a credible effort. Again, we don't need anyone to take sides, just to establish the validity of the match.
As I understand the process, your advantage is in not only maintaining databases of race-specific last names, but also race-specific first names. Research has shown this is a highly reliable process. I'm pretty sure that's about all the expert would need to explain.
Please let me know if there is someone there who can help.
Thanks,
Leland 512/619-8732
On Jun 13, 2012, at 10:11 AM, karen sinisi wrote:
Leland, Our methodology is based on predictive analytics, not on any personally identifiable information. This is not something we have ever done, and quite frankly since it is predictive I am not sure if it would actually help the case. We stand by our methodology, but involvement in a case such as this is not something we would readily do. I think that referencing the data I have sent you would be the
EXHIBIT 5 Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 1 of 5 Document 96-5
best route for you to take.
Hope that helps,
Best, Karen
On 6/11/2012 5:59 PM, Leland Beatty wrote: The group I'm working with would like to engage the appropriate person at Ethnic Technologies as an expert witness, purely to explain your method for race matching, and to establish the reliability of that method, and will compensate for time.
Is this something you can help me with?
Thanks,
Leland 512/619-8732
On Jun 5, 2012, at 11:51 AM, karen sinisi wrote:
Leland, We have NDA's in place and 3rd party proprietary information in virtually all of the encoding jobs we do. I cannot say whether or not there were prior court cases where our process was used. I can simply refer you to our methodology information, which I have attached.
Please let me know if there is any other way I can be of help,
Best, Karen
On 6/5/2012 11:24 AM, Leland Beatty wrote: Thee-tech match helped us make our case, and now the legal process requires me to defend the accuracy of the match.
Do you have anything typically used by expert witnesses to explain why the Ethnic Technologies match reaches its high level accuracy?
Are there previous court cases where Ethnic Technologies matches have been accepted as evidence?
Thanks for your help.
Case 2:12-cv-00185-LA Filed 10/31/13 Page 2 of 5 Document 96-5
Leland 512/619-8732
On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:21 AM, karen sinisi wrote:
Hello Leland, Thanks for reaching out to us. We can certainly help you with the identification of ethnicity on this data.
Our process identifies ethnicity, language, Hispanic Country of Origin, religion and group (ie. Western European, South Asian etc.)
Cost is $12 per thousand records so for a file of this size the cost would be $4,322.00
Our process will flag over 95% of the records, close to 100% with n1ce clean data. What we need in order for the process to work is full first and last name, address, city, state and zip+4.
If all the records do not have the +4 we can append them, as long as street address and city are present,
Lastly, our process takes 24 hours from receipt of data,
Let me know how else I can help!
Best, Karen Sinisi Ethnic Technologies, LLC
On 4/11/2012 9:05AM, Rachel Wilhoit wrote: Sent to info
--------Original Message -------Subject: Wisconsin Ethnic IDs Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:40:54-0500 From: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
A group of folks including the ACLU, LULAC and others are challenging
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the Wisconsin voter id law, and have retained me to match Wisconsin voters against the driver's license and state-issued ID databases.
After completing the match, I have a list of 360,167 voters that did not match the state dl/id lists. Ethnicity is included in the dllid file, but not in the voter registration file, so I need to find a way to append ethnicity to the 360,167 voters that did not match.
Is this something I can do with your service? Do you have an estimate for what that might cost? For each voter, I have the state voter id number, first name, last name, address broken into parts as well as aggregated into two lines, county and zip (no city, although I plan to geocode the file this evening and can include city).
I've got a court deadline at the end of the week, so time is somewhat important. If you can tell me if this is possible, and give me a general idea of what it would cost, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks.
Leland 512/619-8732
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From: Candace Kennedy <[email protected]> Date: August 27, 2013 7:03:28 AM COT To: Leland Beatty <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Ethnic Technologies Encoding
Leland, Of course we can do the file encoding for you .. As far as the trial the company has not changed it's policy. An option would be I could offer you my expertise as a non E-Tech employee but do it a consultant ..
Candace
We're now approaching trial on the voter id matter, and I wanted to check in on your current policy. Expert validation from Ethnic Technologies would obviously be of great help, and we would expect to fully compensate for the expertise. If your policy is the same, I will likely do a telephone survey of a sample from the ethnicity-matched records, asking respondents to self-identify ethnicity, projecting accuracy by comparing the self-identification against the Ethnic Technologies match. If you know of a better method, or of an expert who can credibly address the accuracy of the match, your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
In any case, I should have the new Wisconsin voter and driver's license/id files within the next week, and after doing a new match, I will have a new unmatched list ready for to submit I would expect it to be fairly small, likely about 25,000 records, but I won't know until I've matched the two Wisconsin files. Should I work with you on that project?
Feel free to call any time.
Thanks.
Leland 512/619-8732
On Aug 26, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Candace Kennedy wrote: Leland, I was given your information by Karen Sinisi about a possible file encoding opportunity you may have.
My name is Candace Kennedy-Hess I'm a consultant working for Ethnic Technologies.
Please let me know the best time and number to contact you in reference to the phone message you left for Karen last week.
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I look forward to speaking with you ..
Thank you, Candace
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From: Candace Kennedy <[email protected]> Date: September 30, 2013 1 :01 :34 PM COT To: "Nadler, CarlS." <[email protected]>, Leland Beatty <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Wisconsin
Gentleman I do have someone who can step in and help you he was one of my employees and has written papers on the accuracy and methodologies of the data in question.
John Mas is his name
Phone: 973-341-4517
EM: John Mas: [email protected]>
I gave him a heads up as to our discussions.
Best Regards, Candace
On 9/30/2013 1:18 PM, Nadler, Carl S. wrote:
Candace,
Thanks. I'm so sorry to hear about both things.
Carl
From: Candace Kennedy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:19 PMTo: Nadler, Carl S.Subject: Re: Wisconsin
Carl, I'm sorry I have not gotten back to you sooner, 2 things have consumed my time as of late one the founder of our company passed away suddenly and two my 29 year old daughter was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer and at present I do not have the time or energy to devote to any other issues or projects. I need to focus on her and my family right now ..
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Best Regards, Candace
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Hi Candace,
Just checking in with you. Would love to finalize your retainer and
start working with you. Please let me know when we can go ahead
with that, ol<?
Best,
Carl
From: Nadler, Carl S. Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:48 PMTo: 'Candace Kennedy'Subject: RE: Wisconsin
Hi Candace,
Just checking in with you on this retainer. Let me know if it is ok by
you (and if you have determined on a billing rate). I'm looking forward
to getting this finalized and working with you on the case!
Best,
Carl
From: Nadler, Carl S. Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:45 PMTo: 'Candace Kennedy'Subject: RE: Wisconsin
Hi Candace,
Sorry to take so long in sending this, I have been traveling.
Here is a form retainer agreement. If anything concerns you, please let
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me know. Otherwise, please let me know if your thinking on an hourly rate and I will fill that in, we can get it signed, and can get going.
Look forward to working with you on this!
Carl
From: Candace Kennedy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:19 PMTo: Nadler, Carl S.Subject: Re: Wisconsin
Carl, Thank you .. I will need to put a CV together over the next few days, never had a need for one in the past.. Candace On 8/28/2013 10:29 AM, Nadler, Carl S. wrote:
Candace,
It was a pleasure speaking with you this morning. I will send a form retainer letter (probably tomorrow, as I'm out of the office today).
If it is not too much trouble, could you please forward a copy of your
CV?
Carl
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Got it, thanks
John Mas [email protected]] Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:54 AM Nadler, Carl S. Re: FW: Wisconsin Case
On Oct 2, 2013 11:48 AM, "Nadler, CarlS." <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Nadler, Carl S. Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:34AM To: '[email protected]' Cc: Foster, Nathan D.; Martemucci, Marco J. Subject: Wisconsin Case
Dear John,
It was great meeting you by telephone yesterday. This email provides you with contact information for me and my colleagues Nathan Foster and Marco Martemucci. If you could send us a copy of your article and your CV, we would appreciate it.
Also, I am enclosing a copy of a draft retainer agreement. Please take a look and let us know if it seems ok to you. Also, please advise how we should fill in the sections on your hourly rate for helping us with this project.
Please copy me, Nathan, and Marco on all conespondence, especially as I will be out of the office for quite a bit of the next few weeks.
Look forward to working with you on this!
Best,
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John Mas [email protected]] Tuesday, October 08, 2013 10:47 PM Nadler, Carl S. Re: FW: Wisconsin Case Hispanic-Financial-Paper. pdf; JohnRMasResume.doc; Retainer for John Mas_(EAST _ 64402971_2).docx; Retainer for John Mas_(EAST _64402971_2).pdf
Here are the documents, my resume, signed contract and Master's thesis.
Please call me if you have any questions.
Best regards, John Mas
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at II :53 AM, John Mas <[email protected]> wrote:
Got it, thanks
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From: Nadler, Carl S. Sent: Wednesday, October 02., 2.013 9:34AM To: '[email protected]' Cc: Foster, Nathan D.; Martemucci, Marco J. Subject: Wisconsin Case
Dear John,
It was great meeting you by telephone yesterday. This email provides you with contact information for me and my colleagues Nathan Foster and Marco Martemucci. If you could send us a copy of your article and your CV, we would appreciate it.
Also, I am enclosing a copy of a draft retainer agreement. Please take a look and let us know if it seems ok to you. Also, please advise how we should fill in the sections on your hourly rate for helping us with this project.
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Please copy me, Nathan, and Marco on all CO!Tespondence, especially as I will be out of the office for quite a bit of the next few weeks.
Look forward to working with you on this!
Best,
Carl
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October 8 2013
PRIVILEGED & CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT Prepared in Anticipation of Litigation
John Mas 593 Belmont Avenue Haledon, NJ 07508
Re: Jones v. Deininger, No. 2:12-cv-185-LA (E.D. Wis.).
Dear Mr. Mas
This letter will confirm your engagement by Arnold & Porter LLP to assist us in connection with our representation of the plaintiffs in the above-referenced litigation pending in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin.
1. Scope of Services
Your services will include consultations concerning the services provided by Ethnic Technologies, Inc., including the methodology, market acceptance, and reliability of those services. Your services may include providing a written opinion or affidavit, and/or the provision of testimony by deposition and/or as a witness at in a court proceeding. The case is currently set for trial in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, beginning November 4, 2013, and it is important that you be available at that time should we call you as a witness.
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You are aware that the adverse parties to Client this matter are the following: State of Wisconsin, David G. Deininger, Michael Brennan, Gerald C. Nichol, Thomas Barland, Thomas Cane, Kevin J. Kennedy, and Nathaniel Robinson (each in their official capacities). You have undertaken a review of your records and have determined that you have no conflicts of interest that would interfere with this engagement. As the engagement progresses, you will notify us immediately if any potential conflicts come to your attention.
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All of us at Arnold & Porter LLP are delighted that you have agreed to assist us and look forward to working with you on this matter.
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you and Ethnic that would describe the disposition
of this personal information after your project was
completed?
A. The file would be returned to me. They
would retain no records.
Q. So your testimony is Ethnic retained no
records after the project was completed?
A. That is my understanding.
Q. How did just let's back up here.
Can you describe to me what your
understanding is of what Ethnic did with the
information?
A. They took the file I submitted, they put
it through their identification process, they
appended race, ethnicity, and religion codes, and
returned the file.
Q. And how did they determine the race,
ethnicity and religion of each person in the file?
A. They use a system, an onomastic matching
system name study combined with the geocoding data.
They have maintained for some time and have spent
considerable intellectual investment in
understanding how names develop and they base their
system on that onomastic analysis.
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Q. So let me say what I think they are
doing and you tell me how I am wrong. It sounds
like they take someone's name and where they live
and they use those data points to determine what
the race of the person is?
A. That's a simplistic reduction. But they
do use that as well as a world of data of their own
to come to that determination.
Q. Okay. Do you have any other
understanding of how this works?
complicated to me.
It sounds pretty
MR. ULIN: Objection, vague, argumentative.
A.
You may answer.
I understand
else you are asking me.
BY MR. LENNINGTON:
I really don't know what
Q. Who is the person that you worked with
at Ethnic?
A. I beg your pardon.
Q. Who is the person that you worked with
at Ethnic?
A. At that point I cannot recall that
woman's name. But if you hear me blurt it out
inappropriately, it will be because I just
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remembered it. It's on the tip of my tongue.
Q. Was it Karen Sinisi?
A. That's the one.
Q. So did Karen do this analysis herself?
A. No. Karen is a sales rep.
Q. Do you know the name of the person who
actually did the analysis?
A. No. I am not sure it was a person. I
can give you a number of examples when I have data
appended. There is not really a person. I submit
it, a computer does the work and returns it to me,
and there is never a person.
Q. So the computer program is the thing
that does the analysis, it's not like it's an
individual who is going through name by name?
A. Right, no, that is not what is
happening.
Q. Okay. It's starting to make a little
more sense.
So do you know how they treat, say, an
interracial marriage where one person has a name
that it would appear to be associated with one race
but the other person is of a different race? Do
you know how they treat interracial marriages?
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