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Page 1 IEEE P802.3cg 10 Mb/s Single Twisted Pair Ethernet Task Force Mar. 2017 Plenary Meeting, Vancouver, BC Canada Multidrop Ethernet for In-cabinet Applications David D. Brandt Rockwell Automation

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Page 1: Multidrop Ethernet for In-cabinet Applicationsgrouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/cg/public/Mar2017/brandt_cg_01_0317.pdf · Version 1.0IEEE P802.3cg 10 Mb/s Single Twisted Pair Ethernet

Page 1IEEE P802.3cg 10 Mb/s Single Twisted Pair Ethernet Task Force – Mar. 2017 Plenary Meeting, Vancouver, BC Canada

Multidrop Ethernet for

In-cabinet Applications

David D. Brandt

Rockwell Automation

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Purpose

• The purpose of this presentation is:

– To present the potential use case of multidrop

Ethernet for In-cabinet Applications within

Industrial Automation

• This does not exclude point-point usage for critical

applications

– To discuss technology and concerns relevant

to multidrop (not a proposal)

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Relevant types of In-cabinet components

• Circuit protection– Disconnects

– Breakers

• Motor control and protection– Contactors

– Overload relays

– Soft starters

– Drives

• Operator interface– Pilot devices

• Pushbuttons, selector switches, indicators…

– Signaling devices• Tower or stack lights,

Largest volume

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Market estimate

• Derived from: IHS Technology, “Low

Voltage Contactors & Overload Protection

Devices – World – 2014”, February 2014

• 426M

– 2019 extrapolation + 10% other components

• Assume 15% penetration

– 64M

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Typical panel assembly

• Components are

snapped into place

in rows on DIN rails

• Component wiring

is placed in

channels

– Load connections

– Device power

– Communication or

wired logic

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Wiring practice - discrete

• Discrete wiring is the most common practice

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Wiring practice - networking

• High-end

components have

already adopted

Ethernet

• For the bulk of the

devices, dual-port

Ethernet exceeds

the cost of the

discrete wired

device

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Enclosures

• Typical enclosures

– https://www.pentairprotect.com/wcsstore/AuroraStorefrontAssetStore/UserDownloads/Downloads/Bro-00218.pdf

• Large

– Height = 2.2 m

– Width = 1.8 m

– Depth = 1 m

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Topologies

PHY PHY

Rest of

node

PHY PHY

Rest of

node

PHY PHY

Rest of

nodeLinear

Switched

Topology

PHY

Rest of

node

PHY

Rest of

node

PHY

Rest of

nodeLinear

Bus

Topology

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Various bus attachment methods

Cable IDC

SocketInsulation

Displacement

Connectors

No in-line connectors

Minimal stub

Node

Cables

Connectors

SocketJumper

Cables

2 in-line connectors

Minimal stub inside node

Node

Cable Tee

SocketTee

0-2 in-line connectors

Longer stubs

Node

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Estimates for linear bus topology

• A single bus covers back panel and doors

• Length– 6 rows @ 1.8 m

– 2.2 m height

– 2 m to doors + 1.8 m backtracking

– 6 rows @ 1.8 m on door

– Total > 27.6 m

• Nodes– 20 across * 5 rows

– Total > 100 nodes

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Node count – termination load

• Point-point Ethernet terminates with 50 ohms on each end

– 1 Vp leads to 20 mA

• 8 nodes (one automotive request) leads to 160 mA

• 100 nodes leads to 2 A

• This amount of drive current becomes excessive

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Node count - legacy solutions

• The most common way RS485, CAN, and

other buses support multiple nodes is by:

– Making the termination external

– High impedance transceivers

• 3-state transmitters

Unit Loads Nodes Value

1 32 12k ohm

1/2 64 24k ohm

1/4 128 48k ohm

1/8 256 96k ohm

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Length – reflections (1)

• Rules of thumb

– Lumped element: Ignore reflections if rise and fall

times are less than the Round Trip Time (RTT)

– Arrange termination to absorb reflections within

RTT, sample after RTT

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:High_accuracy_settling_time_measurements_figure_1.png

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Length – reflections (2)

• Assume 0.66Vp or 5ns/m

• 10 M => 100 ns/bit

– Stable sample point at 80% of symbol

• Best solution is to pick a topology that minimizes reflections and then to tolerate them

Length RTT Symbol period Bits/symbol Sample point

8 m 80 ns 100 ns 1 80-100 ns

15 m 150 ns 200 ns 2 180-200 ns

25 m 250 ns 300 ns 3 280-300 ns

30 m 300 ns 400 ns 4 380-400 ns

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Line interface - typical• Differential driver

and receiver

• Impedance of 60 Ωto match midline connection of 120 Ωin each direction

0 1

High

Impedance

• Referenced to a local power supply

• Normally DC coupled to line

• Limited common mode range

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Line interface - power

+-

• AC coupling for optional power– Comm. isolation

• AC termination

• Driver internal impedance of 50 Ω?

• Additional encoding for DC balance

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Line interface - polarity

• Possibility of polarity insensitivity

– Communication depends on signaling method

• Limits access methods

– Power requires diode bridge

• Adds loss

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Collision management (1)

• CSMA/CD

– Random backoff issue

– Legacy question

• EPON-derivative

– Complexity

– Requires new parts

• TSN

• Something new?

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Collision management (2)• CAN-like method?

• Non-destructive bit-wise arbitration– Random access

– No collisions, no loss, no random backoff

– Priority resolution

“Recessive bit”

Node A

Node B

Result

“Dominant bit”

Yield

Transmit

Arbitration Data exchange

Rate switch

(PAM-3, 3B2T for example)

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Collision management (3)

• CAN-like method?

• Arbitration ID

– Priority bits sent first

– MAC ID is a tie breaker in case of matching

priority (avoids collisions)

MAC ID Priority Bits

48 bits 16 bits

MSB LSB

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Collision management (4)

• Timing for 2 nodes at far ends of channel

Node A transmits

Node B receives

from Node A

Node B transmits

Node A receives

from Node B

Propagation

Delay

Sample points

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Collision management (5)

• CAN-like method?

• Issues:

– Polarity is fixed

• Requirement?

– Adds access delay

• 64 bits => 6.4 us

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TSN compatibility

• A bus (like wireless) is a shared medium

– IEEE 802.11v provides an example of

accurate time synchronization

• Each node has the ability to queue packet

delivery and support

– 802.1Qbv Scheduled Traffic

– 802.1Qbu Frame Preemption

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Conclusions

• In-cabinet industrial automation

applications could benefit from a multi-

drop Ethernet option

• Technical solution could draw from and

extend existing techniques

– Challenges exist – especially reflections