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Oil Giants Spread Lies About CA's Clean Energy LawOctober 01, 2010 10:42 am ET Media Matters Action Network

When California passed its Global Warming Solutions Act in2006, it represented a turning point in the debate over cleanenergy and global warming. For once, it seemed, economicinnovation and environmental stewardship triumphed over BigOil and corporate greed. Many clean energy and environmentaladvocates hoped the bill's passage marked the start of a trendfor similar legislation in other states and in Washington.

Today, however, those same oil giants are fighting round two bybankrolling the "Yes on 23" campaign in favor of a propositionrepealing the Global Warming Solutions Act (AB 32).

Not surprisingly, the oil-funded "Yes on 23" campaign to repeal California's revolutionary globalwarming bill is being perpetrated by spewing falsehoods, misrepresentations, and lies.

Click HERE to view PoliticalCorrection.org's fact check of their newest misleadingad.

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Oil Giants Spread Lies About CA's Clean Energy LawOctober 01, 2010 10:42 am ET Media Matters Action Network

When California passed its Global Warming Solutions Act in2006, it represented a turning point in the debate over cleanenergy and global warming. For once, it seemed, economicinnovation and environmental stewardship triumphed over BigOil and corporate greed. Many clean energy and environmentaladvocates hoped the bill's passage marked the start of a trendfor similar legislation in other states and in Washington.

Today, however, those same oil giants are fighting round two bybankrolling the "Yes on 23" campaign in favor of a propositionrepealing the Global Warming Solutions Act (AB 32).

Not surprisingly, the oil-funded "Yes on 23" campaign to repeal California's revolutionary globalwarming bill is being perpetrated by spewing falsehoods, misrepresentations, and lies.

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Media Matters: The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses to | Media Matters for America

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Media Matters: The press needs to hold Fox Newsaccountable, because Rupert Murdoch refuses toOctober 01, 2010 4:18 pm ET

It must be nice to work for Rupert Murdoch.

Every so often, the News Corp. CEO is questioned about Fox News' programming. Hisresponses reveal that he either does not watch his own network and is thereforeclueless about his flagship news property, or he instead chooses to play dumb abouthis network's role in poisoning the national discourse.

Yesterday, while testifying before a House subcommittee hearing, Murdoch spoke in favor ofcomprehensive immigration reform. Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) expressed support for Murdoch'sproposal, but noted that she was "oftentimes stunned" by the anti-immigrant rhetoric on Fox News.Murdoch responded by saying that "we are home to all views on Fox," and that "we are not anti-immigrant on Fox News."

Of course, Fox News is a hotbed of anti-immigrant rhetoric. Not only do hosts and guests regularlydistort the threat posed by illegal immigration and fight against rights already held by immigrants, buttheir coverage of the issue sometimes veers into thinly-veiled "white people are under attack!"xenophobia.

For example, in May of 2007, Bill O'Reilly, Fox News' top-rated host, fearmongered that the"unintended consequences" of immigration reform was that it would make America less white. On anApril, 2006, edition of his syndicated radio show, O'Reilly suggested that the "hidden agenda" of theimmigrant rights movement was to bring about the "browning of America." In 2006, former Fox hostJohn Gibson exhorted white viewers to do "your duty" and "make more babies" in response topopulation growth by minorities.

Though Murdoch proudly proclaimed that Fox is "home to all views" on immigration, this welcomingmentality apparently includes mainstreaming anti-immigrant groups like the American ImmigrationControl Foundation, which has been classified as a "hate group" by the Anti-Defamation League.

And while Murdoch mocked the idea of "expelling 11 or 12 million people" as "nonsense," Fox hostDavid Asman - while filling in for Neil Cavuto in April of 2006 - suggested that it may have been"the perfect time to round up" illegal immigrants and "ship them out."

To top it all off, Fox News has recently begun hosting disgraced former CNN host Lou Dobbs torepeatedly mislead on immigration issues, despite his long history of making incendiary and falseclaims about the topic.

But they "are not anti-immigrant on Fox." Right.

Murdoch's obliviousness - feigned or not - when it comes to Fox News' coverage of immigrationfollows a clear pattern.

On the subject of climate change, Murdoch has aligned himself with the vast majority of climatescientists and stated unequivocally that "climate change poses clear, catastrophic threats."

In 2007, Murdoch announced an initiative to make News Corp. carbon neutral in an attempt to "setan example" and inspire their "audiences" to fight climate change. While News Corp.'s initiative iscommendable, its potential benefits and ability to "set an example" are undermined by Fox News'ongoing war on climate science and climate scientists. Fox hosts and personalities regularly mock

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climate change and any efforts to combat it.

A perfect example of how Fox News fails to "set an example" came during Earth Day this year. Ratherthan spend the day promoting environmentalism and conservation, Fox & Friends marked theoccasion by rehashing smears of climate scientists with noted climatologist L. Brent Bozell.

Murdoch was right when he said that the carbon footprint of News Corp.'s audience is "10,000 timesbigger than" the company's, which is why the benefits of his company's attempt to become carbonneutral pale in comparison to the damage done by the network's ongoing war on climate science. Infact, Murdoch's admission that he agrees with the "99 percent of scientists" on climate change makeshim part of the "climate change cult," according to Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin.

Murdoch has also frequently promoted the phony distinction between Fox's news and opinionprogramming. Last year, Murdoch implied that Your World with Neil Cavuto and Fox & Friends(among others) are Fox shows that don't traffic in "commentary." This was false at the time - FoxNews executives have included those shows as part of its "opinion" lineup -- and has become evenmore so as the network has continued its trip down the rabbit hole.

Neil Cavuto is the network's Senior Vice President of Business News, which, according to Fox,means he "oversees all business coverage for FNC" and "directs content and business newscoverage for the FOX Business Network." If we are supposed to view Cavuto as some sort ofbusiness journalist, then he likely holds the distinction of being the only business journalist in thecountry with his own "Campaign Platform."

This week, Cavuto unveiled his "2010 Campaign Platform," which consisted of right-wing proposalslike "No Tax Hikes On Anyone For Any Reason" and "A 10 Percent Across-The-Board Cut In EveryGov't Program." In addition to having a "Campaign Platform," Cavuto regularly promotes falsehoodsthat benefit the GOP and Tea Party at the expense of progressives and Democrats.

Murdoch's confusion about Fox & Friends' programming may be slightly more understandable. Afterall, Steve Doocy and Co. put on a show for their boss when he visited earlier this year, significantlytoning down their usual rhetoric about immigration during his appearance, only to return to their usualantics as soon as he left the show.

Of course, the idea that Fox & Friends does not do "commentary" is a farce. Not only does the showspend three hours every morning misinforming their viewers about a wide range of issues, theyhave recently become the de facto launching pad for GOP general election campaigns.

Which brings us to Murdoch's most infamous "see no evil" moment. In April, Media Matters VP AriRabin-Havt questioned Murdoch about Fox's promotion of the Tea Party. Murdoch responded thatFox News shouldn't be "supporting the Tea Party or any other party." He added, "I'd like to investigatewhat you are saying before I condemn anyone." Almost six months later, we're still waiting to hearback.

As we detailed at the time, Fox's promotion of the Tea Party was beyond question - the networkhad aggressively encouraged viewers to attend tea parties, and even hosted several "FNC Tax DayTea Parties" starring leading Fox personalities like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.

In the intervening months, Fox's Tea Party boosterism has continued unabated. Notably, in the pastfew weeks, Fox has gone all-in supporting Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell. In additionto giving her a safe haven from being inconvenienced by exposure to actual journalism, numeroushosts on the network have misleadingly claimed that her opponent has labeled himself a"bearded Marxist."

And what about that "other party" -- the GOP -- that Fox News shouldn't be "supporting," according totheir boss? Well, in addition to lavishing coverage on the GOP's legislative agenda, Fox News hostsand personalities have raised millions of dollars for the GOP, supported GOP candidates with almostuniformly positive coverage, and, as always, spent every day smearing Democrats and progressiveswith blatant falsehoods.

In April, we argued that Fox News had basically become an arm of the GOP. It seems we may havehad that backwards. At this point, the GOP is basically just an arm of Fox News.

As we detailed in a report this week, Fox News employs no less than five potential 2012 GOPpresidential candidates. The Fox candidates have appeared on the network at least 269 times,appearances a GOP strategist reportedly called an "in-kind contribution."
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Murdoch's network actually goes beyond just giving "in-kind contributions" to the GOP. Recently,they've discarded that relative subtlety and started spending boatloads of money in the hopes ofhelping to elect GOP candidates this fall.

Earlier this summer, News. Corp donated an unprecedented $1 million to the Republican GovernorsAssociation with the express purpose of supporting the "RGA's pro-business agenda." Last night,Politico's Ben Smith reported that News. Corp also donated $1 million to the GOP-aligned Chamberof Commerce. The Chamber has reportedly devoted millions of dollars this cycle to running politicalads on behalf of Republican Senate candidates.

Fox News' political activism is becoming more and more brazen. Unfortunately the network is enabledby the rest of the media's reluctance to call them out on their behavior. At this point, it is clear that theCEO of News. Corp has no plans to act responsibly, so it is up to the press to hold Fox Newsaccountable.

Fox News makes a mockery of the idea of journalism, and it's time for media outlets that actually careabout the craft to speak out and say so.

This weekly wrap-up was compiled by Ben Dimiero, a research fellow at Media Matters for America.

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It's maddening how the rest of the media lets these jokers get away with all their bulldung without callingthem out.

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by peebs755 (October 01, 2010 4:36 pm ET) 9

I will be writing a reply to this post in depth tonight for your amusement! See you soon! Hope to getplent of Down Thunbs!

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by TeaPartyPatriots (October 01, 2010 7:33 pm ET) 1 13

thumbs*

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The surprise isn't that you know how to spell thumbs it's that you've managed to evolve to thepoint where you have opposable digits to hit the space bar. Faux News has allowed you tolive in a bubble of lies for far too long, please try to turn off the TV and get out and see a bitmore of the world.In Case You Missed It

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by nahummer (October 02, 2010 8:32 am ET)

Try to keep your misspellings to under 50.

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by Invent a Scandal (October 01, 2010 7:49 pm ET) 1 1
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008160046http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008160046http://theendisalwaysnear.blogspot.com/



If I wanted to listen to an idiot, I'd just turn on Fox and expend a lot less effort in the process.

As amusing as your attempt at propaganda is sure to be, you are still only an ametuer.

That and if you stick to the topic at hand for more than two sentences I'll set my hair on fire.

---------------------------------------So I'll pass, thank you.

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by NiceguyEddie (13 minutes ago) 1

The rest of the press is mostly Fox lite. And Fox has created the mindset that any objection to their shrilloverkill is killing a free press.

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by wookie (October 01, 2010 4:49 pm ET) 6

Man...seems like this guy is just angry. Did fox news refuse your application?

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Care to actually prove him wrong, TPP? His facts are solid and documented.Your childish allegationis not.

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by cst (October 01, 2010 5:56 pm ET) 7 1

I seriously doubt TPP even read the editorial before lobbing that Troll grenade.

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by CoolSlaw (October 01, 2010 6:51 pm ET) 6

Yea i read it...i don't get paid by Hillary and George to sit around all day dissecting newscoverage of one channel. But maybe one day i can be so elite. I'll keep praying after my busride to the rally tomorrow!

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Don't forget your tinfoil hat.

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by Invent a Scandal (October 01, 2010 7:51 pm ET) 3

No, you're never going to be "elite." That would imply some measure of talent andintellectual acumen. You were not endowed with either. You're a dunce whose postscontinually pop up like rancid mushrooms, fungus that grows only in the dark and inbullsh!t. You couldn't exist if the light were flung into the dark corners of the Internet that

by n'est-ce pas (October 01, 2010 8:36 pm ET) 3
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shelter you and your putrid kind from reality and the consequences of your unforgivablerhetoric.

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If that's how an elitist is expected to speak to another individual, regardless of differingopinions or political affiliations, then TPP would be wise to avoid the achievement ofsuch status. I know I will.

P.S. If you want to sell yourself as one possessing a well-developed vocabulary, youshould probably learn a few of them big fancy words, so you may actually foolsomeone into believing you are intelligent. Just saying.

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by keetonmm (October 03, 2010 4:52 pm ET)

Nope, you waste time all day by trolling a forum with intentional jackassery. All this does ismake us dislike you idiots even more. Also, TeaPartyPatriots is a coward. Patriotsshouldnt be coward. Maybe before you go attacking people again, you actually answerquestions given to you. Cause you look like a moron who only encourages more of us tovote, so jerks like you dont get elected.

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by kamrom (October 02, 2010 6:20 pm ET) 4

He/she avoids discussing the article. Afraid to deal with any counter narrative...

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by eb (October 02, 2010 6:28 pm ET) 2

Wow, the author used Rupert's comment about Fox not being anti-immigrant to expound upon the staleargument that Fox leans right. Sure they do, but if everyone else didn't lean left they probably wouldn'tfeel so obliged. As for Rupert's comment, there is a difference between immigration and illegalimmigration. What he said was factual, why would fox be anti-immigration. Everyone with a stitch of logicin their brain should be anti-immigration. Illegal immigration is a felony in this country last I checked. Iknow people have compelling reasons, but it is still a crime. So, is Fox anti-illegal immigration, absolutely.So am I.

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by sara1442 (October 01, 2010 6:15 pm ET) 2 13

Sara Palin???

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by blk-in-alabam (October 01, 2010 6:43 pm ET) 3

I'm all for enforcing immigration law too, and generally do not support amnesty or other "fastrack"programs for undocumented workers.

Here's the key difference:

Fox news wants to blame the immigrants for this problem completely, and scare their audience withsensational exaggerations. They seek to demonize all Mexican immigrants, legal or undocumented.

Never will they address the underlying problems causing this situation. Never will Fox ever go after

by CoolSlaw (October 01, 2010 7:02 pm ET) 5 1



the large businesses that are employing hundreds and thousands of undocumented workers and inthe process, suppressing the wages of American working class people.

Granted, there will always be those who seek to come across the border and find some measure ofrelief and opportunity from the grinding poverty of the corrupt Mexican Government. If we didn't turn aconvenient blind eye to the many large scale employers of undocumented and illegal immigrants, wewould have a much smaller problem that law enforcement could get a handle on.

You see, Fox is working both sides of the fence here...create hysteria and fear to keep theundocumented workers and their wages repressed, while at the same time, politicking for theinterests of the big businesses that illegally hire them and drive down wages for working classAmericans.

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"You see, Fox is working both sides of the fence here" - Thats called fair and balanced! wWre alllearning here...it's like a "coming of age" for you liberals!

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no Tea Potty Patriot,I believe your post is called "dumb and dumber."

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by Invent a Scandal (October 01, 2010 7:55 pm ET) 6

You're truly one of the dumbest people walking around TPP, or you're an unconscionablynasty person. I'm not which is the better option.

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by dkylep (October 01, 2010 8:36 pm ET) 6

Way to repeat that article you just read. It would have sounded very good if you actually knewwhat you were talking about.

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Everyone with a stitch of logic in their brain should be anti-immigration.

Pssst... your freudian slip is showing.

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by Old_Benjamin (October 01, 2010 7:02 pm ET) 5 1

Your post, troll, is full of already debunked talking points.

Everyone else in the media doesn't participate in lies, distortions and omissions of relevant info that

by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 3:50 am ET) 3 2



furthers the liberal agenda.

That's a myth started by the likes of Grover Norquist, and he has admitted that it's not true and wasnever true.

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You're right no body on the right has a stitch of logic nor do they have any integrity left. Dems havbeen screaming for comprehensive immigration reform. Teabagger Republicans have refused toconsider any reform, including the Dream &ct which was once supported by some Republicansincluding John McCain and Lyndsey Grahm. Not one 2epublican has supported any immigrationreform since the last election. FoxPac, the arm of the teabagger Republicans have made sure tostoke the flame of fear and ignarance regarding this issue and no Teabagger Republican wishing towin a Republican primary would dare go against it.

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by anitamurie (October 03, 2010 11:47 pm ET)

Hold Fox News accountable for publicly showing it's stripes? Sure it's time to hold them responsible fordestroying the public's trust in news. They're not alone but they've done the biggest job of screwing it up,and cheating Americans out of their trust of the news.

In fact it's BEEN time to hold them accountable... ever since 2003, when Fox News appealed and won acourt case claiming they have the right to lie to the public in news stories because they're protected bythe First Amendment .

A circuit court in Florida ruled it's their right to lie to the public, and they continue to lie, twist andmisinform under that freedom every single day.

And for some reason our journalism schools, institutions, and all the other mostly trusted news providersin the nation just won't call them out. Not then and not now. There must be some "practical" reasons but Ican't figure out the riddle... or maybe I just can't believe the answers I get when I do.

Anyway, that's why I like and support watchdogs like Media Matters and FAIR, and why I pound away inthese comment boxes. But I wish our current watch dogs would report on that lawsuit at least. After allthese years I still believe news about that case alone would shake Fox News to its corporate knees.

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by StPete (October 01, 2010 8:44 pm ET) 5 1

Well put San Pedro.They lie to cover lies and when caught in a lie,deny it.They actually get awaywith it and destroy journalism daily.

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by leftofwhat (October 01, 2010 9:25 pm ET) 3

You do realize that your whole write-up was basically just a complaint about Fox not promoting a liberalviewpoint. You don't want non-biased news, you want liberal news.

Guess what? Some people don't believe that global warming exists. If fox didn't report on it, who would?

Guess what? Some people think illegal immigrants are a cancer in our society, not to mention the factthat they are criminals by definition. If fox didn't report on it, who would?

Guess what? Some people actually support the Tea Party and believe in lower taxes and smallergovernment. If fox didn't do reports about the Tea Party that actually expressed their views instead of justsuggesting that they are a bunch of crazy, old, racists, who would?

Finally, who will hold MSNBC accountable for their obvious liberal biased personalities (Olbermann,Schultz, Maddow, & Matthews) not to mention their liberal-leaning "news" reports? You don't want to getrid of fox because they are "not fair", you want to get rid of fox because they are "not liberal."

by jpeagle21 (October 01, 2010 9:47 pm ET) 1 12



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And your entire post pretty much states that Fox should "report" people's opinions, not report facts.

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by juliajayne1 (October 01, 2010 10:10 pm ET) 6

I have no problem with the media debating climate change but that's not what FOX does. They havea point of view about climate change and they stick to that view no matter what while summarilydismissing the overwhelmingly evidence that it's occurring. They also have no problem bringing onsome obscure figure from Bumf#@k, Idaho to reinforce their point of view. Have they ever honestlyreported on any facts about climate change that would contradict their point of view? Same thinggoes with the teabaggers. They have a point of view that they stick to no matter what whiledismissing any facts that contradict that view. It's also a network that's not above reporting conspiracytheories, rumors, hearsay, innuendo, etc. they think could damage the the Obama administration orDemocrats in Congress. This same standard is not applied to conservatives. Lastly, the networkendorses conservative causes and conservative candidates. The bottom line is that FOX is not anews organization; it's a propaganda machine for conservatives.

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by loonz (October 01, 2010 10:30 pm ET) 4

ok, fine. Lets just say I'm willing to concede all your points about Fox. What about MSNBC? Whatabout the way they were when Bush was President? What about the conspiracy theory reportsabout the war on terror being about oil? What about a certain Mr. Olbermann yelling at presidentBush to "Shut the hell up!" because Bush said he wouldn't golf during the war? If Fox is apropaganda machine for conservatives, then MSNBC is just as much of a propaganda machinefor liberals. So, if Fox goes away then so should MSNBC, and possibly CNN. You agree?

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Peewee Herman comeback."I know you are but what am I."Fox is Fox is Fox.At least othernetworks try journalism.Try "Democracy Now" or Linktv.Fox is not news.Why is it that fauxfreaks compare MSNBC with their misinformation station?Pitiful.Limited attention span Iguess.

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by leftofwhat (October 02, 2010 12:46 am ET) 3

The trouble is, Bush actually did things that were ridiculously vast; changing huge numbers oflaws and adding more that eroded privacy, in the name of fighting an enemy that is basedaround a tactic that conventional warfare doesnt work against., issuing record numbers ofexecutive orders and signing statements, didn't take al qaeda seriously, didn't pay for one warthat wasnt really worth it and another that was started on false premises. They allowed tortureand let low ranking soldiers take all the blame. they pretended pat tillman's death wasn'tfriendly fire..Thats what, three years time?

And when the republicans in congress were turning off the lights and cutting off democratsmicrophones, or not letting them into secret meeting, and not following subpoena orders, andin general ignoring the rule of law, we shouldnt have reported it? Fox was propoganda then,and it is still now. It just keeps gettign worse. Like crashing the economy, then blaming itsomehow on democrats, because republicans cant cause huge economic problems. Its notour fault fox distorted then just as they do now. Im sorry they suckerd you in though.

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by kamrom (October 02, 2010 1:57 am ET) 4



Ok, so you just proved my point that you don't like fox because they don't promote theliberal view. You want them to treat all those things you said about Bush as being truebecause you believe them to be true. You don't want honest debate, you want to seeviewpoints that align with yours.

Again, some people (a lot of people, actually) believe all those things you said aboutdemocrats crashing the economy, or at least making it significanthly worse. If fox doesn'treport it, who will?

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by jpeagle21 (October 02, 2010 9:00 am ET) 1 7

Theres this mythical idea of a middle ground. That both sides should be given equalweight. This is not productive, because a lot of people refuse to listen. We can showyou a birth certificate a thousand times over, and its still not there. You make up wholestories. Invent out of nothing. Your side actually commited the atrocities, and now in adesperate bid to be able to shout "but THEY did it too!" the right has been slapping allthe insane accusations they can at democrats. They never offer any evidence. Theylie and say they do, but of course, they dont. And then it gets revealed, every singletime. And then fox news audience is wholly right wing so they ignore this and go righton with next week's End of America scenario, the old having been tossed to the curbas the lies peaked and attentions declined.

It doesnt matter what the right thinks. Because you lie about everything, all the time.Pathologically. Ive noticed its been several days since health care reform provisionsstarted, and I don't see any government thugs here.

They claim oppression, they warn of the end of America, they pretend like they haveto dodge spies on the way home...While claiming that THEIR MEDIA NETWORK isthe most popular. Wouldnt Obama take that off the air?

Your side brings guns near obama rallies. Ours wouldve been arrested in the samesituation 5 years ago. again, while claiming your rights are being taken.

The list goes on and on and on. The point is, Bush and the right wing are *actuallydoing* the things we accuse them of. Your side is just making stuff up because you'rescared and angry and want to make others scared and angry. Theres no good reasonto report on what the right does or says, because they contradict themselves on amoment to moment basis, and use inflammatory language in weird, randomcombinations.

I pity you, if you cant see this at all. Im dissapointed if you know and support it. Itseems like a scary place, inside your head. Enemies at every corner, communazis inevery home. I really do hope you can figure out just how disturbed or awful you are.

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by kamrom (October 02, 2010 12:44 pm ET) 7 1

you don't like fox because they don't promote the liberal view.

NO no no no!

I don't like them because they lie and dishonestly attack. Theirs is a shamelesspropaganda that effectively damages the discourse in our country. The behavior of thetrolls on this website is a great example of the damage done.

A real and honest debate or difference of opinions is fine. Fox is just one biginfomercial. Its so blatant its silly to think otherwise. Duped you are. One day it mightanger you.

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by eb (October 02, 2010 7:01 pm ET) 5 1




Will your side EVER stop with the false equivalencies?

There is NO fair comparison that can be made between FoxNews and MSNBC. They aren'ttwo sides of the coin. They aren't mirror images of one another.

And this has been pointed out to you time after time after time.

You aren't really interested in discussing the FACTS on this topic. And that's because you're atroll.

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Since you never have anything to say other than to whine about people being trolls, i'llrespond to you like a troll. You're a loser. You're arguments make no sense, so you pullthe troll hat out of the bag whenever you can't win an argument. No one here likes you,not even those who share your viewpoint as I have seen them blast you with "thumbsdown" on several of your posts. As Biff would say: "Why don't you make like a tree.....andget out of here."

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"No one here likes you, not even those who share your viewpoint as I have seen themblast you with "thumbs down" on several of your posts. As Biff would say: "Why don'tyou make like a tree.....and get out of here." --jpeagle21

Wow, this sounds more and more like elementary school every day.

"Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, guess I'll go eat worms," type things.

I wasn't aware that the majority of us who post here is out to win popularity contests.

Oh, and your last quote ... you can't even get it right:

I know it as, "Why don't you make like a tree and leaf?" THAT, at least, makes moresense don't you think?

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by coldteablues19577325 (October 02, 2010 2:57 pm ET) 5 1

Yes, its throw sand in the sandbox time. Since Fox lies, everyone who isn't biasedlike them must also lie.

Tea bag conservatives won't bother to understand who or what they attack. Thetrolls won't read the article. Too much cognitive dissonance for them. Ultimatelyhonesty and integrity is too scary for them. Better to hide under the blanket ofconservative ideology. Problem is, they get angry when they see that not everyonedrinks their cool aid.

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by eb (October 02, 2010 6:45 pm ET) 2



The ACTUAL quote from "Back to the Future"?

"So, why don't you make like a tree and get outta here?"

And the ACTUAL saying is "make like a tree and LEAF".

Trees don't "leave". They leaf!

I swear, you can't even get these simple things correct! What a dummy.

Say it out loud. What does it SOUND like? It SOUNDS like "leave". But it's"leaf".

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by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 11:58 pm ET) 1 1

BTW, I was just acting like the troll she always accusing me of being.

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And no, you weren't. You can't even get THIS right! I swear.

You actually REPLIED to what the previous poster said. Now, you wereWRONG, but that's just because you're an imbecile. But you were NOT makinga troll post in THIS case, since you were actually TRYING to participate in adiscourse with another poster!

Even when you're trying to admit that you make troll posts, you can't get itright. That's really sad! LOL

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Yeah, it certainly would make more sense. If it wasn't "Make like a tree and leave."

Good going, Biff.

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I write nothing but whines about people being trolls?

What a doofus you are - that's a ridiculous assertion that even a 1st grader wouldknow is not true in the least.

My arguments ALWAYS make sense. This is indisputable, yet you deny it! That makesYOU a troll, not interested in participating in a fair debate that reflects reality.

I HAVE too seen those on the left side of the aisle react unfavorably to some of myposts - that doesn't bother me at all! I don't post here to garner friendship and acclaim!There are people on BOTH sides of the aisle that behave in undesirable ways. Someon the left here like to feed trolls, or hate to have to admit that they've fed trolls, andso they shoot the messenger when it's too painful to acknowledge the message. I getunfairly targeted, and somehow that's supposed to mean that I'm wrong? How exactlydoes THAT calculus work?

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by DellDolly (October 02, 2010 11:51 pm ET) 1 3



And, one more thing since you mentioned "fair comparisons). If you don't see Ed Schultz(on MSNBC) as being as bad as if not worse (i think he's worse) than anyone on Fox, thenyou are truly delusional.

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It doesn't matter what I see things as. Reality is what matters.

Ed Schultz does NOT traffic in lies, distortions, deception, and omission of relevantinformation to push disinformation. He does NOT have the intent to push toxicdisinformation that poisons our national discourse. FoxNews does!

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You do realize that your whole write-up was basically just a complaint about Fox not promoting aliberal viewpoint. You don't want non-biased news, you want liberal news.

You are so wrong, my real world example is several months ago in our state capital, there was a rallyof between an estimated 3 to 5 THOUSAND people in support of health care. There was a "Tea-bagger" rally that had at most 150 people. Not one station showed anything about the health carereally but each one had at lease 60 seconds of the tea-baggers! The only reason I knew about thepro health care rally was that our only one (out of about 10) progressive stations reported on it. (Ihave two TV's and checked out both the early news and late news. ZERO coverage of the "liberal"news, at least a FULL MINUTE and MORE of the right(hate)-wing news)!

Please give an examples of Olberman or Maddow caught in flagrant lies forwarding their "liberal"agenda.

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by GreenLantern (October 03, 2010 1:32 pm ET) 1

Is it really that hard to ask people to go through the proper legislative process of becoming an American?All we ask is that you respect our border and respect that you can walk freely into the country and expectthings to fall on a silver platter for you.

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by mercsniper (October 02, 2010 2:59 am ET)

It's true as Ben Dimiero states that the press does need to hold Fox "news" responsible. The evidence ofright-wing political bias, going way beyond immigration issue, is simply overwhelming. And it's beengoing on since the 90's with Clinton and Gore.

For me, the question has always been "Why doesn't the MSM hold Fox accountable? Why don't theysimply point out the lies, and publicly ostracize Fox as a reputable news organization. This would besimple to do based on the overwhelming evidence. And one would think it would be a smart move interms of competing with Fox while at the same time holding a higher moral standard. But they refuse.When Gibbs made his little remark that Fox isn't a real news organization, all the other newsorganizations spun this into "Obama's war against Fox" (which is ludicrous) and all seem to have sidedwith Fox by exploiting a silly confusion about opinion versus news reporting.

So why not take on Fox? Surely intellectual corruption within such a powerful "misinformer" isnewsworthy. I don't know the answers, but I assume there's a combination of factors.

1) The MSM is also corrupt. If they attract too much attention to Fox, then that attention will be reflectedback on them.

2) Publishers and editors within the MSM have adopted corporate profit motives that benefit from the lies

by DougD (October 02, 2010 4:13 am ET) 3



that Fox spews. They let Fox do the real dirty work while they sit back trying to appear objective anddistanced. Fox takes a bit of heat, but being essentially psychopaths, they really don't care.

3) Members of the MSM are not particularly intelligent. They are unable to tell the difference betweenobjectivity and bias. They may think they are "liberal", and thus pull punches against Fox, while in realitythey aren't even liberal to begin with. In addition, many journalists are in rather prestigious positions,which they don't want to lose by going against the grain.

4) For some reason, the MSM is afraid of Fox "news". Perhaps they fear that if they go after Fox, Fox willretaliate in a typically vicious way, causing problems with their advertising and so on.

I suspect it's all of these things, as well as others I've overlooked. But the real problem here is not justthat Fox is corrupt, but that the rest of the media is basically covering up for Fox and making things muchworse for our country. We need to identify the underlying factors within the MSM that motivate thesebiases, and attack them as well as Fox.

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4) For some reason, the MSM is afraid of Fox "news". Perhaps they fear that if they go after Fox, Foxwill retaliate in a typically vicious way, causing problems with their advertising and so on.

I suspect this one is most important. Fox/Rush and co. are bullies. As we have seen, the rulebook forjournalistic integrity has been thrown out the window. Standing up to them invites trouble that can beavoided by looking the other way.

I suspect a lot of the democrats are operating under the same dynamic. Take them on and getswallowed up in a backlash of irrational hysteria. Look, Obama is still dealing with basic assumptionsabout his motives and identity just for holding high office without their approval.

Its easier just to pretend like they don't exist...

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by eb (October 02, 2010 6:52 pm ET) 3 1

Ben,

Do you know there's a war going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

Why are you wasting your time on Fox News?

As a "research fellow" at MMfA, do some research on something that matters. Fox News doesn't.

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by HeeNow (October 02, 2010 9:48 am ET) 4

Ben,

Do you know there's a war going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

Why are you wasting your time on Fox News?

As a "research fellow" at MMfA, do some research on something that matters. Fox News doesn't.

Finally, others are beginning to get it when it comes to the relatively recent failure of MMFA to holdthe media accountable for it's pro-Republican (Pro-Corporate) garbage and lack of anythingnewsworthy.

The title of the article is:

The press needs to hold Fox News accountable, because Rupert Murdoch refusesto

It should read:

Someone needs to hold the press accountable because Media Matters refuses to

by papajohn (October 02, 2010 11:48 am ET) 4



John

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Go away concern troll.

If the rest of the MSM had the issues that FoxNews does, then they'd get covered more.

You're out to lunch with this argument, and that's been documented multiple times.

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If the rest of the MSM had the issues that FoxNews does, then they'd get covered more.

You're out to lunch with this argument

As well as several other people in this thread that are obviously a lot more observant than youare.

On the plus side, you generally lose most arguments on this forum because you have anuncontrollable habit of name calling other (more intelligent) posters.

You should also be grateful to MMFA forum moderators for allowing you to violate the ForumRules every day which clearly state:

DO respect others' opinions. We expect posters from all parts of the political spectrum here.Please express your opinion without insulting other posters.

DON'T write an otherwise thoughtful post and then close it with insults or profanity. Your postwill be removed. Repeat violators will be banned.

DON'T post here if your sole purpose is to start a flame war. Arguments and debates are fine;obscenity, name-calling, and trolling are not. Violators will be banned.

I'll link it for you again:

http://mediamatters.org/p/etc/terms

It is a rarity to read any DellDolly responses to other posters that aren't laden with namecalling. If that is your recipe for winning an argument, Emeril Lagasse has nothing to worryabout.

John

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by papajohn (October 03, 2010 1:43 pm ET) 1

Actually I don't EVER lose arguments here.

You have made this bogus argument a bunch of times, saying that MMFA purposefullyignores some terrible examples of media disinformation that furthers the conservativeagenda, but you fail miserably in providing direct evidence of ANY examples of thatbehavior that MMFA ignored either before or AFTER you pointed them to it.

Without that evidence, no one has to WIN the argument - YOU LOSE IT by your inaction!This is not rocket science.

I don't call other more intelligent posters doofuses! That's just not true! And I DO respectother people's opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts,dummy, and an opinion that's NOT based upon facts is NOT an opinion that needs to beallowed to stand unchallenged! Again, this is not rocket science!

And calling Son of Sam a murderer is not namecalling, since he's a convicted murderer,and calling a doofus a doofus is not namecalling, and I don't EVER just do that without

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backing up my accusations with evidence of that ignorance and stupidity!

My purpose is NOT to start a flame war - but many of the posts that I reply to DO havethat intent. I don't use obscenities, I don't name-call, and I don't troll! My intention is toMOCK fools. That's not "starting a flame war". Maybe you should look up the definition ofa flame war, since you seem terminally confused on this issue.

It's NOT MY FAULT that you're out to lunch and I point that out. It's not MY FLAW thatyour arguments are so easily dispatched! You are NOT a victim, doofus.

The fact that I catch, tag, and release a bunch of troll posters and troll posts doesn't meanthat I fail to win arguments!

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Iraq, not so much these days. And it was Fox style manipulation of the facts that got us there.

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Beck, Bolton, Varney implicate Obama administration for GlobalTrends contentsBeck: "This is what the government says the world is going to look like in 2025."From the October 1 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: There's a report out, called Global Trends: A Transformed World. I told you about itearlier this week. Here it is: Global Trends: A Transformed World. This is what it's going tolook like: 2025 Global Landscape. This is, this is a government report. This is what thegovernment says the world is going to look like in 2025.

Bolton: Report assumes American "decisions have already been made" and are"congenial to Obama administration." From the October 1 edition of Glenn Beck:

BOLTON: And another absolutely critical point. The country in the world about which ourintelligence agencies know the least is America. And I --

BECK: I think that's petty much on government on the whole. They don't know whoAmericans are.

BOLTON: I would go along with that. But my point is, this report is written as if America isa spectator, as if our decisions have already been made -- and by the way, all of themcongenial to the Obama administration. That is the place we ought to start from, becausethat is the place we ought to reject.

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Varney: "The worldview of the Obama administration, and of the president himself,is embedded in that report." From the October 1 edition of Glenn Beck:

VARNEY: The worldview of the Obama administration, and of the president himself, isembedded in that report. He's looking at the America that we have now, that he has partlyhelped to create with his policies of the last 18 months, and he's projecting that into thefuture, into the world. It's a future view which I personally reject and I think we will reverse.But there's no question, that report encapsulates Obama's view of the world now and inthe future. It is, however, reversible.

Report predates Obama administration, describes factors andtrends meant to "stimulate strategic thinking" about policyReport issued two months before Obama took office. According the title page of GlobalTrends 2025 -- a report prepared by the National Intelligence Council that it describes as "the fourthunclassified report" in a series -- the document was released in November 2008.

Report prepared to "stimulate strategic thinking about the future" through analysisof "key trends." The report states that it was designed "to stimulate strategic thinking about thefuture by identifying key trends, the factors that drive them, where they seem to be headed, and howthey might interact" and makes clear that "timely and well-informed intervention can decrease thelikelihood and severity of negative developments and increase the likelihood of positive ones." FromGlobal Trends 2025: A Transformed World:

We prepared Global Trends 2025: A Transformed World to stimulate strategic thinkingabout the future by identifying key trends, the factors that drive them, where they seem tobe headed, and how they might interact. It uses scenarios to illustrate some of the manyways in which the drivers examined in the study (e.g., globalization, demography, the riseof new powers, the decay of international institutions, climate change, and the geopoliticsof energy) may interact to generate challenges and opportunities for future decisionmakers. The study as a whole is more a description of the factors likely to shape eventsthan a prediction of what will actually happen.

By examining a small number of variables that we judge probably will have adisproportionate influence on future events and possibilities, the study seeks to helpreaders to recognize signposts indicating where events are headed and to identifyopportunities for policy intervention to change or lock in the trajectories of specificdevelopments. Among the messages we hope to convey are: "If you like where eventsseem to be headed, you may want to take timely action to preserve their positive trajectory.If you do not like where they appear to be going, you will have to develop and implementpolicies to change their trajectory." For example, the report's examination of the transitionout of dependence on fossil fuels illustrates how different trajectories will entail differentconsequences for specific countries. An even more important message is that leadershipmatters, no trends are immutable, and that timely and well-informed intervention candecrease the likelihood and severity of negative developments and increase the likelihoodof positive ones.

Beck falsely portrays report's commentary on rise of "State-OwnedEnterprises" in developing nations as applying to the West, U.S.Beck: "[T]he model of China is the goal that these guys are saying everybody ispretty cool with." From the October 1 edition of Glenn Beck:

BECK: Another finding in this report: "Today, wealth is moving not just from West to East

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but it is concentrating under more state control. In the wake of the 2008 global financialcrisis the state's role in the economy may be gaining more appeal throughout the world."Understand what that means. That means that the model of China is the goal that theseguys are saying everybody is pretty cool with. This is what's gonna come. Well, I'm notcool with that. Are you?

Then there's this. "There will be a rollback of privatization and a resurgence of State-Owned Enterprises." "In the early 1990s, many economists predicted" that theseenterprises, State-Owned, "would be a relic of the 20th century. They were wrong." State-owned enterprises "serve a secondary function as pressure valves, helping to relieveinflation and currency appreciation pressures. They also can act as vehicles for increasedpolitical control." Increased political control. Just what every American has dreamt about.

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