Jackson V AEG Live August 8th 2013 Transcripts of Kenneth Ortega (This Is It Director/Creator)

8/22/2019 Jackson V AEG Live August 8th 2013 Transcripts of Kenneth Ortega (This Is It Director/Creator)

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!ke Fu&beHeiore we start w`tk tke w`tjesses, @ was bo`jb to asl -- ajm jot hecause tke furors kaveaslem, hut @ wajt to amv`se tkeg as to a t`ge est`gate. So wkej mo ou tk`jl tke case w`!! he suhg`ttemto tkeg" Hecause tke ga he tk`jl`jb ahout `t, ajm tke ga he kes`tajt to asl, so @ i`burem @#m aslou, so --

*r, )utjag,$e#re ko%`jb to he moje h tke heb`jj`jb oi Se%tegher, our kojor.

!ke Fu&beHeb`jj`jb oi Se%tegher"

*s, /`ja,@t bets tr`cl ojce we gove `jto Se%tegher. &s ou reca!!, tkere are ahout two court mas aweel. Se%tegher cou!m fug% awa ver 'u`cl!, hut we#re tr`jb ver karm to sta oj sckemu!e.

*r, )aj`sk,&ctua!!, @ !oolem at tke ca!ejmar, ajm aiter togorrow, tkere are *+ mas `j aubust oicourt. &jm tkej tke i`rst weel oi Se%tegher tkere are, accorm`jb to tke !ast rev`s`oj oi tke ca!ejmar,tkere are two mas, so tkat wou!m he *+ mas. &jm tkej tke jet weel, tkere are a!so two mas. So asoi Se%tegher +tk, ec!um`jb tke jet two mas, accorm`jb to tke ca!ejmar, tkat wou!m !eave


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a%%ro`gate! . mas. So tkat#s Se%tegher +tk. &jm tkej --

!ke Fu&be&s oi Se%tegher +tk, tkere#s . courts mas"

*r, )aj`sk,Start`jb w`tk /ojma. $e st`!! kave a!! ma toma ajm a!! ma togorrow.

*r, /o(#e,So ..

!ke Fu&be]kat moesj#t soujm !`le guck.

*r, )utjag,@t#s jot, ajm tkat#s tke %roh!eg.

*r, )aj`sk,]kat#s l`jm oi wkat#s heej bo`jb oj. Hut uj!ess @ g`ssem amm`jb `t u%, tkat#s tke wa @ see`t. So are tke sa`jb !`le --

*s, /`ja,$e#re sa`jb we#re tr`jb to i`j`sk `t oje oi tkose two weels oi Se%tegher, so --

*r, )aj`sk,]o tke tk"

*s, /`ja,>ou ljow, irajl!, soge oi tke eag`jat`ojs kave boje a !`tt!e !ojber tkaj we ko%em. $e#retr`jb to cojmejse wkere we caj.

*r, )aj`sk,So skou!m @ kave rehutta! w`tjesses ream ior tke 1tk"

*s, /`ja,8rohah! gales sejse to rev`s`t tkat wkej we#re c!oser to tke mate.

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, fust so @ caj b`ve tkeg aj `mea.

*s, /`ja,]kat#s a boom `mea ior r`bkt jow.

!ke Fu&beSo ou sa`m rehutta!, tke 1tk"

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, @#g fust assug`jb g`m-Se%tegher. So tkat#s tke 1tk ajm 3tk. ]kat weel tkere#s oj!+ *+ mas.

*s, /`ja,]ke %roh!eg `s, gost oi Se%tegher we oj! kave two mas a weel.

!ke Fu&beSe%tegher `s karm.

*r, )aj`sk,$e kave + *+, ajm tke jet weel, so --

*s, /`ja,@t#s mragat`ca!! skortejem, tke weels `j aj evejt, our kojor, wkere we kave + *+, mas.

!ke Fu&be=`ms bo hacl to sckoo!5 %eo%!e coge hacl irog vacat`oj.

*s, /`ja,]ke iear `s, ojce we k`t Se%tegher, tke court mas w`!! %ass ratker 'u`cl!. So tkat#s wkwe#re tr`jb to bet as guck moje `j aubust.

*r, )aj`sk,So g`m Se%tegher.


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!ke Fu&beSo wkat ou#re sa`jb `s, ì tkere `s a rehutta!, `t w`!! !`le! coggejce oj tke 1tk" @s tkatl`jm oi wkat we#re kear`jb"

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, `t#s u% to tkeg. @ fust jeem to ljow wkej @ jeem to he ream. @ moj#t ljow wkejtke#!! i`j`sk. ]ke sa g`m Se%tegher. @ geaj, @ moj#t ljow. 9`rst, `j`tà!!, tke tkoubkt aubust, ajm @

tkoubkt gahe g`m Se%tegher fust hecause tke wa tk`jbs are bo`jb. &jm seegs tkat tke seeg totk`jl, at !east as oi toma, g`m Se%tegher. Hut, ou ljow, tkat#s ohvòus! a gov`jb tarbet.

*s, /`ja,2`bkt.

!ke Fu&be;ust wajt to b`ve tkeg a tarbet mate. @#g sure tke#re wojmer`jb.

*r, )aj`sk,So @ wou!m sa -- ajm tke 'uestòj `s wkej w`!! `t he suhg`ttem to tke fur" So we kave tomo `jstructòjs, verm`ct iorgs --

*s, /`ja,Sure rehutta!.

*r, )aj`sk,-- arbugejt oi coujse!. @ wou!m tkrow tkat hacl to tkeg. ]ke ljow tkat hetter tkaj @wou!m.

*s, /`ja,$e moj#t ljow kow !ojb rehutta! `s.

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, r`bkt jow we kave iour w`tjesses, so `t me%ejms. ]ke#re skort, ohvòus!. @ geaj, @wou!m sa -- @ moj#t ljow. @i tke i`j`skem oj tke +tk --

!ke Fu&be@i meiejse i`j`skem oj tke +tk --

*r, )aj`sk,>eak. 0k, actua!!, @ tale tkat hacl, hecause g ca!ejmar sas tkat tke tk ajm +6tk,actua!!, `t#s heej crossem oii. So tkere#s actua!! < *+ mas tkat weel. @ assuge tke tk ajm +6tk ojg tk`jb jow kave heej crossem oii.

*s, /`ja,$e bot tkose mas hacl ajm two mas oii tke jet weel `jsteam.

*r, )aj`sk,So tkose are `j. So we kave a iu!! weel -- ou ljow, @ moj#t ljow kow to --

!ke Fu&be&!! r`bkt. @#!! te!! tkeg tkroubk Se%tegher, tkej.

*r, /o(#e,0la. /`bkt he ah!e to a%%ro`gate g`m Se%tegher.

*r, )aj`sk,/`m to !ate Se%tegher. 4ow ahout tkat"

*s, /`ja,>our kojor, we rea!! are tr`jb to lee% tk`jbs as jarrow as %oss`h!e.

!ke Fu&be@ ljow. @#g jot kurr`jb ajhom. @#g jot h!ag`jb ajhom. @ fust wajt tkeg to ljow. @fust wajt tkeg to ljow tkat @#g cobj`7ajt. ]ke ga he wojmer`jb. :ohom#s sa`m ajtk`jb to tkeg,ajm tke g`bkt he kes`tajt to sa `t hecause tke moj#t wajt to a%%ear as tkoubk tke#re tr`jb to %uskajhom or he cr`t`ca! oi ajhom. &jm so tke g`bkt he reservem `j tkat rebarm, so @#g tal`jb `t u%ojgse!i to i`jm out wkej tke caj e%ect tke case to he suhg`ttem to tkeg. So tkat#s --


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*r, /o(#e,Mo ou regegher wkat we to!m tkeg tke !ast t`ge tke aslem"

*r, )aj`sk,/`m Se%tegher.

*r, /o(#e,0la.

*s, /`ja,@ tk`jl tkat#s wkat our kojor to!m tkeg, too.

!ke Fu&be0la. &jm tke otker tk`jb heiore we hr`jb tkeg `j, tkere are outstajm`jb gotòjs, ajm @kave b`vej tejtat`ves to ou. 4ave ou kam a ckajce to !ool at tkeg ajm tk`jl ahout wketker ou wajtto arbue tkeg" Suhg`t oj tkeg" $`tkmraw tkeg" @ moj#t ljow.

*r, )aj`sk,So we kave tke suh%oeja gotòj --

*r, /o(#e,$e#re bo`jb to s`t oj tke ojes -- we#re bo`jb to suhg`t oj our kojor#s tejtat`ves.

!ke Fu&be]ke suh%oeja gotòj ajm tkej tkere#s tke /arcus gotòj.

*s, /`ja,2`bkt. &jm, our kojor, @ tk`jl tke %!aj oj tke /arcus gotòj `s !arbe! to suhg`t oj tketejtat`ve. $e#re worl`jb to see wketker tkere#s aj em`tem versòj oi tke me%os`tòj tkat caj he usem. @tk`jl tkat tke#re %!ajj`jb oj reack`jb out to %!a`jtìis# coujse! oj tkat, so --

!ke Fu&be0la.

*s, /`ja,-- tkere g`bkt he soge !`g`tem arbugejt oj tke sco%e oi our kojor#s ormer was, me%ejm`jboj wketker we caj abree or jot. Hut tkat#s a!! we wou!m ammress, ajm ì tke#re -- oj tke 2`hera gotòj,we wou!m suhg`t oj tkat as we!!.

!ke Fu&be$e!!, tke tk`jb oj tke 2`hera gotòj `s tkat ou skou!m ta!l to eack otker, coge u% w`tk amate h wk`ck --

*r, /o(#e,@ tk`jl tkat#s a!ream ka%%ej`jb. @ tk`jl /s. Strojb `s ta!l`jb to /s. 2`hera.

!ke Fu&be;ust !et ge ljow, hecause --

*s, /`ja,$e e-ga`!em esterma asl`jb wketker tke are bo`jb to stajm oj r`hera, ajm `t soujms !`letke are.

*r, /o(#e,>eak. @ tk`jl /s. 2`hera `s bo`jb to %romuce stuii. &jm ì evertk`jb#s ola, we skou!m heola. &jm ì tkere#s aj `ssue wketker tke %romuctòj `s ejoubk, tkej gahe we#!! kave aj `ssue.4o%eiu!! jot.

*s, /`ja,2`bkt. &jm s`g`!ar!, oj /arcus, jot -- we#re jot %!ajj`jb to h`te oj tke wko!e tejtat`ve attk`s %o`jt, hut tkere ga he soge 'uestòjs as to sco%e.

!ke Fu&be=`jm oi !`le mes`bjatòjs, ì tk`jbs coge u%, tkej we#!! ta!l ahout `t.

*s, /`ja,?act!, our kojor. &jm @ ljow tke#re worl`jb oj tkat at tke gogejt w`tk tkat boa!.


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*r, /o(#e,0ur %os`tòj oj tkat `s we abree w`tk tke court#s i`rst, jot tke a!terjat`ve ru!`jbs. Hut we#!!see.

*s, /`ja,@t gales sejse to ge to cojier i`rst, @ tk`jl.

!ke Fu&be$k`ck hr`jbs u% tke mes`bjatòjs oj S!av`t. >ou were r`bkt. @t wejt rea!! 'u`cl!, hut @m`m gove oj to tke secojm oje, wk`ck was Normoj.

*s, /`ja,Normoj or &mags, our kojor. ?`tker oje.

*r, )aj`sk,Hut @ tk`jl we#re ola ior tk`s weel, hecause ;orrè skou!m he tke gorj`jb oj 9r`ma, ajmat !east two kours %!us oi ru!em-oj v`meos ajm S!av`t.

*s, /`ja,&jm /r. Ho!e fust subbestem to ge tkat ke tk`jls `t#s a boom `mea to see ì we caj abree ojS!av`t. @i jot, a ver skort arbugejt oj `t togorrow, ajm tkej, ou ljow, ohvòus! bett`jb iurtkermes`bjatòjs moje `s ke!%iu!, hut @ tk`jl ior togorrow we#re boom a!ream.

!ke Fu&be&!! r`bkt. @#g fust tr`jb to lee% u% w`tk ou, ajm ou lee% u% w`tk ge.

*s, /`ja,@ a%%recàte tkat.

!ke Fu&be@ moj#t wajt ou to sa, Abee, we moj#t kave aj w`tjesses hecause, fumbe, ou m`mj#t mowkat ou sa`m ou were bo`jb to mo.A

*r, )aj`sk,&jm tkej fust s`jce we#re ta!l`jb ahout sckemu!`jb, ajm @ ljow /r. 8utjag -- wkateverka%%ejs toma `s bo`jb to ka%%ej. @i /r. 0rteba moesj#t i`j`sk cross ajm rem`rect, @ ljow ke#s ava`!ah!ejet $emjesma, ]kursma or 9r`ma. So oje oi tkose mas -- @ assuge $emjesma wou!m he tkesoojest. @i ke moesj#t i`j`sk, ke skou!m coge hacl.

*s, /`ja,&jm, aba`j, our kojor, we#re st`!! worl`jb oj tke sckemu!`jb ior soge otker w`tjesses, hutwe are %!ajj`jb oj tr`jb to i`j`sk /r. 0rteba toma, at !east oj %!a`jtìis# case, ajm hr`jb k`g hacl atsoge %o`jt.

*r, )aj`sk,@i ke moesj#t i`j`sk as to our case, @ wou!m asl tkat ke coge hacl oj $emjesma. ]katworls w`tk k`s sckemu!e. So i`j`sk k`g, ajm tke caj hr`jb k`g hacl wkej tke jeem to.

!ke Fu&be$e caj ta!l ahout tkat.

*r, )aj`sk,Hut @ ljow we a!! ljow ke caj#t coge hacl togorrow.

!ke Fu&be0la. Hr`jb tke fur `j.

tke ur( ejtere& tke courtroog at 1>11 a,g,

!ke Fu&beHeiore we heb`j, @ wajt to bet tkroubk a cou%!e oi kouselee%`jb `ssues w`tk ou. 0je,tkere are teckj`ca! `ssues w`tk tke cagera. $e kave a !`ve ieem `j a !`g`tem %art oi tke courtkouse oj tke


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trà!, ajm so tkere w`!! he teck %eo%!e rujj`jb aroujm hecause tkere#s soge `ssue w`tk tke ieem. So ìou see %eo%!e rujj`jb aroujm, `t#s hecause tke#re tr`jb to i` tk`s `ssue, ajm @#ve a!!owem tkeg to motkat. Hut @ wajt to !et ou ljow tkat tkat#s wk tke#re tkere. ]ke otker tk`jb `s tkat @#ve coge u% w`tk ajew est`gate cojcerj`jb tke trà!. >ou#re %rohah! wojmer`jb, Abee, fumbe, ou to!m us tke trà! wasbo`jb to ejm tke ejm oi &ubust, hut `t !ools !`le we#re st`!! bo`jb.A @ -- g est`gate kas jow ckajbem. @tk`jl tkat we#!! %rohah! -- tke case w`!! he suhg`ttem to ou towarm tke ejm oi Se%tegher. :ow, @ ljow

@ to!m ou tke ejm oi &ubust. ]kat#s ajotker gojtk. >ou caj wr`te ge a jote ì tkat %resejts a %roh!egior ou. >ou ljow, gahe we caj mea! w`tk tkat. @ ljow, furor jo. 3, ou ta!lem ahout, Abee, &ubust `sl`jm oi g mro%-meam mate.A wr`te ge a jote ì `t %resejts aj `ssue5 ì tkere are certa`j mates ou jeem torev`se `j tergs oi A@ jeem t`ge oiiA or wkatever. et ge ljow. @t `s wkat `t `s5 ola" 0la. $e#!! mo ourhest. &jm tke %roh!eg, too, `s tkat wkej ou#re ta!l`jb ahout tke ejm oi &ubust ajm Se%tegher, ou#reta!l`jb ahout %eo%!e cog`jb hacl irog vacatòjs, l`ms bo`jb hacl to sckoo!, ajm tkere are iewer trà!mates ava`!ah!e. Se%tegher coges, l`ms coge hacl to sckoo!, ou#re bo`jb to jeem mas oii5 attorjesjeem mas oii. ;ust tk`jbs !`le tkat ka%%ej. So we#ve heej boom to eack otker5 !et#s tr to cojt`jue he`jbboom to eack otker. 0la. &jm, !ast!, we kave to `jterru%t tke test`goj oi /s. ;orrè to hr`jb hacl /r.0rteba. @i ou regegher, we l`jm oi cut k`s test`goj skort ajm sa`m we#m hr`jb k`g hacl. $e!!, ke#shacl. &jm @ he!ève `t#s st !! %!a`jtìis# case, hut /r. 8utjag was oj cross wkej we !et k`g bo.

*r, )aj`sk,]kat#s correct.

!ke Fu&beSo, aba`j, we accoggomate tke w`tjesses so tke caj mo wkat tke jeem to mo, hr`jb tkeghacl wkej `t#s cojvejèjt, ajm tkat#s to lee% tke trà! bo`jb. &jm so we#re bo`jb to mo tkat jow. $e#rebo`jb to ca!! /r. 0rteba hacl. /r. 0rteba, ou caj retale tke w`tjess stajm. =ejj 0rteba, reca!!em asa w`tjess h tke %!a`jtìis, was %revòus! sworj ajm testìèm as io!!owsC

!ke Fu&be&jm ou moj#t jeem to he re-sworj as !ojb as ou reca!! ou are st`!! ujmer oatk.

!ke "`tjesses, ga#ag.

!ke Fu&be>ou regegher tkat" 0la. ]kajl ou.

!ke "`tjesstkajl ou, our kojor.

!ke Fu&be]kajl ou. >ou ga he seatem. ]kajl ou. &jm @ tk`jl we kam or 6 g`jutes oi crossheiore, so ou#ve bot a wko!e !ot !eit5 r`bkt"

*r, )utjag,@ kave a ia`r agoujt !eit.

ross-e=ag`jatòj resuge& $( *r, )utjag

5,@ a%o!ob`7e, /r. 0rteba. @#m !`le to tkajl ou ior cog`jb hacl. ]kajl ou.

A,]kajl ou.

5,`le a !ot oi %eo%!e r`bkt jow, @#g suiier`jb irog a co!m. So ì ou caj#t kear ge, !et ge ljow ajm@#!! tr to ta!l !oumer5 ola"

A,&jm @#g oj tke otker ejm oi `t, so --


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5, @ ga jeem to use `t.

A,&!! r`bkt.

5,So oje oi tke tk`jbs /r. 8aj`sk aslem ou ahout wkej ou were kere a cou%!e oi weels abo was

our cojtract. Mo ou regegher he`jb skowj tkat cojtract ajm he`jb aslem 'uestòjs"

A,>es.

5,@#g bo`jb to skow ou tkat sage cojtract hut asl soge mìierejt 'uestòjs ahout mìierejt %ortòjsoi `t.

A,0la.

*r, )utjag,aj @ %!ease kave ek`h`t +,3+" /a @ a%%roack, our kojor"

!ke Fu&be>ou ga.

5, jow, /r. 0rteba, mo ou recobj`7e tk`s abreegejt (`jm`cat`jb)"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkat `s tk`s abreegejt"

A,& certì`cate oi eg%!ogejt ior g cog%aj, !oaj-out.

5,&jm @ wajt to ta!l ahout tkat ior a !`tt!e h`t. @j tke i`rst %arabra%k oi `t, `t ta!ls ahout wko tke %artèsare `j tke abreegejt.

*r, )utjag,&jm, %ag, skow tkat i`rst %art tkere.

5, `t starts w tk A&?N `ve %romuctòjs.A ou see tkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm tkej `t#s ca!!em Atke cog%aj,A b`ves aj ammress, ajm tkej boes oj to sa, Akas ejbabem tke =0,cog%aj,A ajm `t sas, Aeg%!oer.A ou see tkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm boes oj to sa, Ato iurj`sk tke serv`ces oi =ejj 0rteba (eg%!oee).A ou see tkat, s`r"

A,>es.

5,@ wajt to start tkere. aj ou reg`jm tke fur wkat =0 cog%aj `s, s`r"

A,@t#s g !oaj-out cog%aj.


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5,&jm ou#re tke eg%!oee oi tkat cog%aj5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm so -- ajm wkat `t sas kere `s tkat &?N `ve %romuctòjs kas aj abreegejt w`tk =0 cog%ajior our serv`ces5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm so mo ou ujmerstajm tkat tk`s abreegejt %rov`mes our serv`ces to &?N `ve %romuctòjstkroubk our !oaj-out, =ejj 0rteba cog%aj"

A,&s @ ujmerstajm `t, es.

5,&jm ou#re aj eg%!oee oi tkat cog%aj5 correct"

A,>es.

5,>ou#re jot aj eg%!oee oi &?N `ve %romuctòjs, are ou, s`r"

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, our kojor, asls ior a !eba! cojc!usòj, wkat `s aj eg%!oee versus ajotker !eba!status. &jm we#ve a!ream kam a ru!`jb oj !eba! status.

5, wkat m`m ou ujmerstajm, s`r"

!ke Fu&be0verru!em.

5, m`m ou ujmerstajm ou were aj eg%!oee oi &?N `ve %romuctòjs"

A,:o.

5,$kat were ou aj eg%!oee oi"

A,=o cog%aj.

5,&jm tke abreegejt was hetweej tkose two cog%ajès5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,&jm tkej `t boes oj to sa, A`j cojjectòj w`tk tke /`ckae! ;aclsoj cojcerts to he %eriorgem at tke6+ areja `j ojmoj oj fu! oi +66 (tke #cojcerts#).A ou see tkat" es.

5,@t moesj#t ta!l ahout ajtk`jb aiter ojmoj, moes `t, s`r"

A,:o.

5,&jm m`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb as to wk tkat was"


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A,@ was oj! cojtractem ajm we were oj! iocusem oj tke ojmoj %romuctòj at tk`s t`ge.

5,&jm `s tkat hecause wketker `t wejt oj or jot was ujcerta`j at tk`s %o`jt"

A,>es.

5,:ow, bo`jb oj, s`r, ì ou turj to %abe +,3+-66, ajm @#!! te!! ou tkat#s sort oi wkere tke s`bjaturesare (`jm`cat`jb). Mo ou see tkat, s`r"

A,>es.

5,&!! r`bkt. $kose s`bjature `s tkere ior hotk tke =0 cog%aj ajm ior tke eg%!oee, =ejj 0rteba"

A,/ s`bjature.

5,0j hotk oi tkose !`jes5 correct"

A,>es.

5,So ou were s`bj`jb oj heka!i oi our cog%aj"

A,>es.

5,&jm oj heka!i oi ourse!i `jm`v`mua!!"

A,>es.

5,&jm tkej `t boes oj to sa, A&?N `ve %romuctòjs cog%aj.A mo ou ljow wkose s`bjature tkat `s"

A,@ caj#t gale `t out.

5,M`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb tkat `t was s`bjem h sogehom at &?N `ve %romuctòjs"

A,@ wou!m kave assugem, es.

5,0la. &jm at tke to%, `t sas, Aeecutem as oi &%r`! +1tk, +66.A mo ou see tkat"

A,>es.

5,Mo ou regegher tkat tkat was tke mate oj wk`ck ou s`bjem `t"

A,@t a%%ears to he, es.

5,:ow, ou were aslem a 'uestòj h /r. 8aj`sk ahout %agejt. $kat ke aslem ou, ke sa`mC Aevejtkoubk ou m`mj#t s`bj tk`s abreegejt ujt`! &%r ! +1tk, were ou %a`m ior tke worl ou m`m heiores`bj`jb tke abreegejt"A mo ou regegher tkat 'uestòj"

A,>es.


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5,&jm our ajswer was tkat ou kam aj ujmerstajm`jb tkat ou were5 correct"

A,>es.

5,Hut wkej were ou %a`m" $ere ou %a`m heiore or aiter ou s`bjem"

A,9rog tke %a%ers tkat were %ut `j irojt oi ge at tke me%os`tòj, @ he!ève @ was %a`m `j amvajce ois`bj`jb.

5,@j amvajce oi s`bj`jb"

A,@ tk`jl so.

5,et ge skow ou tkose mocugejts, ì @ caj, s`r.

A,0la.

5,&jm !et ge fust asl ou ahout `t.

A,Sure.

5,&t our me%os`tòj ou were ujcerta`j as to wketker ou were %a`m5 correct"

A,>es. >es.

5,&jm tkej ou were skowem certa`j mocugejts, ajm tkat reireskem our reco!!ectòj as to wketkerou were %a`m"

A,>es.

5,0la. @#g bo`jb to skow ou tkat sage mocugejt, ì @ caj, s`r. ?k`h`t 1+.

*r, )utjag,/a @ a%%roack, our kojor"

!ke Fu&be>es.

*r, )utjag,&jm ì @ ga m`rect k`g, our kojor, hecause `t#s !ojb. 4ere ajm kere (`jm`cat`jb).

!ke "`tjesstkajl ou.

*r, )utjag,]kajl ou, our kojor.

!ke Fu&be]kajl ou.

5, jow, tale a g`jute to !ool at tkat, /r. 0rteba, ajm te!! ge ì tkat#s tke mocugejt tkat reireskemour reco!!ectòj at tke me%o.

A,(revèw`jb mocugejt.) es.


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5,@s tkat tke --

A,>es. >es.

5,&jm moes tkat aba`j reiresk our reco!!ectòj as to wketker ou were %a`m heiore or aiter ou s`bjem

tke mocugejt"

A,>es, `t moes.

5,$kej were ou %a`m, s`r"

A,/a tk, +66.

5,So tkat wou!m he aiter ou s`bjem tke abreegejt5 correct"

A,>es.

5,So ì /r. 8aj`sk aslem ou a 'uestòj tkat `jm`catem ou were %a`m ior our serv`ces tkat ou%eriorgem %ròr to s`bj`jb, ou were jot %a`m ior tkose ujt`! aiter ou eecutem tke abreegejt5 correct"

A,>es. &s %er tkese mocugejts, es.

5,:ow, @ kave a 'uestòj ahout tkat, s`r. >ou s`bjem oj tke +tk, ou werej#t %a`m ujt`! aiter tkat%eròm. M`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb as to wketker ou wou!m he %a`m ajtk`jb ì ou kamj#t reackemaj abreegejt ajm s`bjem tke mocugejt"

A,@ moj#t he!ève so.

5,>ou wou!m jot kave heej %a`m5 correct"


5,&jm `s tkat sogetk`jb tkat#s ka%%ejem to ou heiore, s`r, `j tke ejterta`jgejt hus`jess" $kereou#ve worlem oj a %rofect --

A,@#ve %ut gse!i -- @#ve a!!owem gse!i to he `j tkat s`tuatòj a jugher oi t`ges.

5,&jm to he c!ear, wkat `s tkat s`tuatòj"

A,$kat @ ca!! Aworl`jb `j boom ia`tk.A

5,0la. So ou were worl`jb oj a %rofect, ajm `t moesj#t bo iorwarm w`tk ou, ajm ou ejm u% jothe`jb %a`m ior tkat %eròm"

A,@ caj#t tk`jl oi aj s%ecì`c eag%!e oi tkat, hut @#g sure, `j g


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wejt ajm %`tckem to a stumò ajm ejmem u% jot he`jb k`rem ior tkat govè"

A,>es.

5,&jm `j tkat `jstajce, tke worl tkat ou m`m ior tkat %`tck, were ou %a`m ior `t"

A,:o.

5,&jm `s tkat sogetk`jb tkat sur%r`ses ou"

A,:o. @t#s sort oi coggoj `j tke `jmustr.

5,&jm so `t#s sogetk`jb tkat ou fust e%ect, ì ou moj#t reack aj abreegejt ajm moj#t s`bj `t, tkejou woj#t he %a`m ior tke worl tkat ou#ve %ut `j tkeretoiore5 correct"

A,>es.

5,Hut kere ou reackem aj abreegejt, s`bjem `t, ajm tkej ou were %a`m5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&!! r`bkt. :ow, @ wajt to bo oj a !`tt!e h`t iurtker w`tk tke abreegejt, ì @ caj, s`r, ajm @ kave soges%ecì`c %abes. ;ust a secojm. &!! r`bkt. @i ou cou!m bo to 666.

A,0j tke i`rst skeet or tke --

5,0j our abreegejt. &jm ì ou !ool, `t skou!m he hacl oj tke iìtk %abe.

A,>es.

5,>ou see tkat, s`r"

*r, )utjag,&jm, %ag, cou!m we bo mowj to %arabra%k , %!ease"

5, jow, /r. 0rteba, ou were aslem 'uestòjs ahout tk`s %arabra%k. ]k`s `s tke %arabra%k tkat`jm`cates kow guck ou were to he %a`m5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm `j tk`s i`rst !`je, `t sasC Atke amm`tòja! +66l w`!! he buarajteem.A sas tkat w`!! he buarajteem5correct"

A,>es, s`r.

5,&jm was our sa!ar buarajteem ior tk`s gatter, s`r"

A,@#g a !`tt!e cojiusem. @#g so sorr. @ moj#t ujmerstajm.

5,>our sa!ar. >our sa!ar ior tke worl ou were bo`jb to mo ior tke 6+.


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A,>es.

5,$as tkat a buarajteem sa!ar" $ere ou bo`jb to bet tkat jo gatter wkat"

A,@ he!ève so. @ geaj, ojce cojtractem, es.

5,0la. So ojce ou kam tke abreegejt, ajm `t was s`bjem, ou#m he %a`m5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,Hut tkej ou were aslem 'uestòjs h /r. 8aj`sk ahout tke jet %arabra%k, tke Ahojuses.A ou seetkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm `t ta!ls ahout hojuses to he %a`m `j varòus terr`torès5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,]kat moesj#t kave tke worm Abuarajteem,A moes `t"

A,:o.

5,Mo ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb as to wk"

A,Hecause tkose skows werej#t hoolem or buarajteem.

5,$kat mo ou geaj h tkat, s`r"

A,]ke were, @ tk`jl, skows tkat /`ckae! wou!m ko%e tkat we wou!m mo, hut tke werej#t oj tkesckemu!e.

5,So ì tkose occurrem, tk`s `s wkat ou wou!m he %a`m5 correct"

A,]kat was tke abreegejt, es.

5,&jm, ior eag%!e, wkej ou mo a govè, s`r, `s `t coggoj ior ou to kave `j our abreegejtsogetk`jb tkat w`!! occur ì ou kave -- usua!! hojuses at certa`j !eve!s oi -- ì `t gales E66 g`!!òj,ou bet a hojus5 `t gales +66 g`!!òj, ou bet a hojus"

A,>es.

5,&jm tkat#s `j our abreegejt5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,Hut tkat moesj#t geaj `t#s bo`jb to gale tkat goje, moes `t"


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A,:o.

5,]kat fust sets out `j amvajce wkat our hojus wou!m he `j case `t boes tkat wa5 correct"

A,>es.

5,@j amm`tòj, kave ou ever kam aj abreegejt tkat sas, Aì ou mo govè +, govè A -- !`le ou m`mAioot!oose.A ou m`m Aioot!ooseA5 r`bkt"

A,M`m jot mo Aioot!oose,A jo.

5,0k, @ tkoubkt ou m`m.

A,:o.

5,So ou m`m A:ewsès.A ou m`m A:ewsèsA5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,0j A:ewsès,A `j our abreegejt, mo ou reca!! wketker `t ta!lem ahout ì tkere was a :ewsès + ora :ewsès "

A,@ moj#t reca!! oj tkat i`!g, hut @ kave kam i`!gs !`le tkat.

5,&jm tkat `s `j our abreegejt as to wkat ou wou!m he %a`m ajm wkat ou#!! mo ì tkat occurs5correct"

A,>es.

5,Hut tkat moesj#t geaj `t#s bo`jb to occur, moes `t"

A,:o.

5,&jm wkat meterg`jes wketker tkat occurs"

A,]ke success oi tke i`rst i`!g.

5,So ì successiu!, ajm tke mec`me to gale oje, ou a!ream kave `j our abreegejt wkat our ro!ewou!m he, ajm wkat ou#!! he %a`m5 correct"

A,Soget`ges.

5,&jm `s tkat wkat tk`s was r`bkt kere, tkese hojuses"

A,&s @ ujmerstoom `j g cojtract, es.

5,:ow, oje gore 'uestòj ahout tk`s %ortòj, ì @ caj, s`r. No hacl to tke s`bjature %abe. @ tk`jl tkat#s1. Sorr. @t ga jot he. Sorr. . 666 (`jm`cat`jb). @s tkere a !`je kere ior /r. ;aclsoj to s`bj"


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A,:ot tkat @ see.

5,&jm mo ou see ajwkere tke io!!ow`jb wormsC Atke ujmers`bjem kereh coji`rgs tkat ke kasre'uestem %romucer (&?N `ve) to ejbabe =ejj 0rteba oj tke tergs set iortk kere`j oj heka!i oi ajmat tke e%ejse oi tke ujmers`bjem.A ajm tkej a s`bjature %abe, a !`je ior /`ckae! ;aclsoj"

A,@#g so sorr. &g @ to he ream`jb tk`s a!ojb w`tk ou"

5,@#g actua!! ream`jb sogetk`jb to see ì ajtk`jb !`le tkat `s oj our s`bjature %abe.

A,:o.

5,:otk`jb5 r`bkt"

A,:o.

5,et ge ream ou sogetk`jb e!se ì @ caj, s`r, ajm asl ou ì ou kave tkat ajwkere `j ourabreegejt5 ola"

A,Ik-kuk.

5,Aart`st cojsejt.A Atke eiiect oi tk`s abreegejt `s cojm`tòjem u%oj tke a%%rova! ajm cojsejt oi/`ckae! ;aclsoj (tke art`st). $ tkout /`ckae! ;aclsoj#s e%ress ajm wr`ttej a%%rova! oi tke abreegejt,je`tker %art to tke abreegejt w`!! kave aj r`bkts or oh!`batòjs to oje ajotker ar`s`jb irog tkeabreegejt.A mo ou see tkat ajwkere `j our abreegejt, s`r"

A,@ mo jot oj tk`s %abe, jo.

5,$k moj#t ou bo tkroubk ajm see ì ou see `t ajwkere. &jm `t wou!m he `j ho!m tkat sas, Aart`stcojsejt.A

A,>ou wajt ge to bo tkroubk a!! tke %abes"

5,@i ou cou!m 'u`cl! !ool ajm see ì tkere#s a %arabra%k w`tk tke heb`jj`jb `j ho!m tkat sas, Aart`stcojsejt.A

A,(revèw`jb mocugejt.) @ m`mj#t see ajtk`jb `j tkere.

5,So tk`s %arabra%k @ fust ream to ou ca!!em, Aart`st cojsejt,A ou moj#t see `t ajwkere `j ourabreegejt, mo ou, s`r"

A,:o.

5,&!! r`bkt. ]kat#s `t ior our abreegejt, s`r. &s @ to!m ou, @#g bo`jb to tr to mo tk`s as 'u`cl! as%oss`h!e so ou caj bo akeam w`tk our !ìe. /r. 0rteba, wko ckose ou to he tke m`rector oi tke Atk`s `s`tA tour"

A,/`ckae! ;aclsoj.


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5,&jm @ fust ca!!em `t a Atour.A m`m ou cojs`mer `t a tour"

A,$e ca!!em `t a tour. @t#s aj `jmustr jage ior tke worl. $e werej#t rea!! tour`jb5 we were fust bo`jbto oje vejue. 8eo%!e ca!!em `t a tour, hut rea!! `t was aj evejt.

5,&jm tkat evejt was ior tke 6+5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou sa`m tkat /r. ;aclsoj ckose ou5 r`bkt"

A,4e `jv`tem ge, es.

5,&jm m`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb as to wketker /r. ;aclsoj ever wajtem ajoje e!se hut ou"

A,@ was -- jo.

5,@j iact, mo ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb as to kow ham! ke wajtem ou, moj#t ou, s`r"

A,4e to!m ge ke oj! wajtem ge.

5,>ou were k`s i`rst ajm oj! cko`ce5 r`bkt"

A,&s @ ujmerstoom `t, es.

5,$e!!, ke to!m ou tkat, m`m ke jot"

A,>es.

5,&jm r`bkt irog tke ver heb`jj`jb, ke reackem out to ou ajm sa`m ke wajtem ou5 correct"

A,>es.

5,:ow, `s `t ia`r to sa tkat ou were tke m`rector oi tke Atk`s `s `tA cojcerts hecause oi /`ckae!;aclsoj" Sogeoje e!se ckoose ou"

A,:o.

5,@t was hecause oi k`g5 correct"

A,>es.

5,:ow, a cou%!e weels abo wkej ou were kere, /r. 8aj`sk aslem ou soge 'uest`ojs, ajm ke aslemou wko i`rst reackem out to ou ahout worl`jb oj Atk`s `s `t.A mo ou regegher tkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm mo ou regegher sa`jb tkat ou werej#t sure, hut ou tkoubkt `t was a gaj jagem Mr.]okge"


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A,>es.

5,&jm mo ou regegher ke tkej skowem ou our test`goj irog tke cr`g`ja! trà! --

A,@ mo.

5,-- wkere ou kam sa`m sogetk`jb e!se"

A,>es.

5,&jm aiter !ool`jb at tkat, mo ou regegher tkej sa`jb ou buessem `t gust he 8au! Nojbaware or;okj /eb!ej"

A,>es.

5,Hut tkat wasj#t our reco!!ectòj5 correct" ]kat was wkat was skowj to ou as to wkat ou kam sa`m%revòus!"

A,>eak.

5,M`m `t reiresk our reco!!ectòj"

A,@t -- @ kam sa`m `t ears abo, ajm so, ou ljow, @ was gal`jb aj assug%tòj tkat %erka%s tkat#s tkewa `t was. Hut, rea!!, at tk`s t`ge, @#g st`!! jot 66 %ercejt certa`j.

5,Hut ke skowem ou sogetk`jb, ajm `sj#t tkat wkej ou sa`m, A@ buess tkat gust he `tA5 r`bkt"

A,>es. >es.

5,$e!!, ou a!so testìèm `j otker %!aces `j reierejce to our worl w`tk /`ckae! ;aclsoj5 correct" 9oreag%!e, ou m`m a me%os`tòj `j tk`s case5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,Mo ou regegher wko ou sa`m reackem out to ou at tke me%os`tòj"

A,:o.

5,0la. $ou!m `t reiresk our reco!!ectòj, wkat ou sa`m, ì @ skowem `t to ou"

A,Sure.

*r, )utjag,@i @ cou!m %!ease kave k`s me%o, %abe 3, !`jes tkroubk . /a @ a%%roack, our kojor"

!ke Fu&be>es.

!ke "`tjesses.


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5, moes tkat reiresk our reco!!ectòj as to wkat ou sa`m `j a me%o oi tk`s gatter"

A,>es.

5,&jm `j a me%os`tòj oi tk`s gatter, wko m`m ou sa i`rst reackem out to ou"

A,@j tke me%os`tòj, @ regegherem `t as Mr. ]okge.

5,&jm tkat#s actua!! wkat ou `j`tà!! sa`m kere a cou%!e weels abo5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,>ou a!so kam a me%os`tòj `j ajotker gatter, m`m ou jot, s`r" ]kat was ahout `jsurajce, !oms oiojmoj"

A,>es.

5,Mo ou regegher wkat ou sa`m `j tkat me%os`tòj, s`r"

A,@ moj#t regegher tkese ajswers ajm 'uestòjs at tk`s t`ge.

5,@ ujmerstajm tkat.

*r, )utjag,/a @ a%%roack, our kojor --

5, wou!m `t reiresk our reco!!ectòj to !ool at our me%os`tòj j tkat gatter"

A,>es.

*r, )utjag,/a @ a%%roack, our kojor"

!ke Fu&be>es.

*r, )aj`sk,aj @ kave tke mate oi tkat"

*r, )utjag,8abe 3, !`jes 3 tkroubk . &jm tke mate `s ;ajuar +Btk, +6.

*r, )aj`sk,+6. @s tkat vo!uge "

*r, )utjag,>es, `t `s. &ctua!!, tke sage %abe ajm sage jughers.

*r, )aj`sk,$kat %abe, m`m ou sa"

*r, )utjag,3.

!ke "`tjesses, @ see `t.

5, ajm `j tkat me%os`tòj -- j tkat me%os`tòj `j ajotker gatter, wko m`m ou sa i`rst reackem out toou"


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A,@ sa`m @ he!èvem `t was Mr. ]okge.

5,So `j tkose two me%os`tòjs, ou#ve `jm`catem `t was Mr. ]okge. 4ere, tke i`rst t`ge ou were aslem,ou sa`m ou tkoubkt `t was Mr. ]okge, hut tkej ou were skowj sogetk`jb tkat ou sa`m `j tkecr`g`ja! trà! wkere ou sa`m `t was 8au! Nojbaware5 correct"

A,>es.

5,So @ tk`jl ou#ve a!ream sa`m `t, hut @#!! asl. kav`jb seej hotk oi tkose, hut a!so kav`jb seej wkatou sa`m at tke cr`g`ja! trà!, mo ou ljow, as ou s`t kere toma, wko i`rst reackem out to ou"

A,@#g jot rea!! certa`j.

5,&jm tkat#s wkat @ tkoubkt ou kam sa`m. :ow -- ajm tkat#s hecause tk`s `s a !ojb t`ge abo.

A,>es.

5,>ou ljow `t was oje or tke otker. >ou fust moj#t ljow wk`ck oje"

A,!ose! cojjectem, ajm @ fust moj#t regegher.

5,2`bkt. Hut ou werej#t !`jb at tke cr`g`ja! trà! wkej ou sa`m tkat. ]kat#s wkat ou regegherem5correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou werej#t !`jb at tkese me%os`tòjs hecause tkat#s wkat ou regegherem tkej5 correct"

A,>es.

5,Hut wkoever reackem out to ou -- str`le tkat. &jm at tke t`ge, m`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb as towko Mr. ]okge was"

A,:ot rea!!, jo. @#m jever get k`g heiore.

5,&jm m`m ke `jm`cate to ou wko ke was ca!!`jb oj heka!i oi"

A,/`ckae!.

5,&jm m`m ou !ater coge to !earj wkat ro!e ke %!aem `j /r. ;aclsoj#s !ìe"

A,:ot 66 %ercejt, rea!!. ;ust gore !`le -- @ fust i`burem tkat ke was a coji`majt, a irèjm. :ot 66%ercejt rea!! sure. @ ljow -- eak.

5,Hut rebarm!ess oi wko reackem out, wketker `t was Mr. ]okge or 8au! Nojbaware, ou ljow wkok`rem ou ior tk`s5 correct"

*r, )aj`sk,0hfectòj, our kojor. $e#re hacl --


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*r, )utjag,Str`le tkat.

5, ou ljow wko sa`m tke wajtem ou to mo tk`s5 correct"

A,>es.

*r, )aj`sk,4e sa`m, A`jv`tem.A

5, ajm wko was tkat"

A,/`ckae!.

5,So rebarm!ess oi wko reackem out, ou ujmerstoom `t was /`ckae!#s mec`sòj to kave ou tkere5r`bkt"

A,>es.

*r, )utjag,/a @ a%%roack"

!ke Fu&be>es.

5, @#g gov`jb oj to sogetk`jb e!se. M`m ou ljow tkat &?N `ve was tke co-%romucer ior tke Atk`s `s`tA cojcerts at tke 6+"

A,]kat#s kow @ ujmerstoom `t.

5,&jm as co-%romucer, tkat usua!! geajs tkere#s ajotker %romucer. wko was tke otker %romucer"

A,@ he!èvem `t was /`ckae!.

5,&jm a cou%!e weels abo wkej ou were kere, /r. 8aj`sk aslem ou soge 'uestòjs wkere outestìèm tkat ou soget`ges re%ortem to /r. Nojbaware ior certa`j gatters. Mo ou regegher tkat"

A,>es.

5,:ow, tke gatters, kowever, were !`g`tem as to wkat ou re%ortem to k`g ior, were tke jot"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkat were tke !`g`tem to, s`r"

A,]ke were gost! creat`ve rebarm`jb humbet. Humbet ior creat`ve.

5,&jm !et ge hreal tkat mowj a !`tt!e h`t. 9or creat`ve `ssues, wko m`m ou re%ort to" Str`ct! creat`ve.

A,Str`ct! creat`ve" /`ckae!.

5,Hut tkej wkej `t cage t`ge to i`bure out kow to %a ior tkat, wko m`m ou ta!l to"


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A,@ he!ève a!gost a!was 8au!.

5,&jm a cou%!e weels abo ou a!so sa`m tkat soget`ges ou wou!m s%eal to k`g a!so ahoutsckemu!`jb. Mo ou regegher tkat"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou ever bo to 8au! or re%ort to k`g ior ajtk`jb hes`mes i`jajcà! gatters ajm soget`gessckemu!`jb"

A,>ou ljow, gahe gove-`j mates. >ou ljow, h`b teckj`ca! tk`jbs. /ov`jb `jto a jew areja5 tket`ge!`je ior tkat. $kej certa`j tk`jbs g`bkt he me!`verem, h`b e!egejts g`bkt he me!`verem. ]ke !`bkt`jbtrusses, ou ljow. Hut tkose were sckemu!es.

5,@ was bo`jb to sa, `t#s sckemu!es"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkej ou#re ta!l`jb ahout tke `mea oi gov`jb `j, ou ta!lem ahout tke `mea tkat ou wou!m boirog cejter stab`jb to a h`bber vejue, tke iorug, ajm tkej h`bber et wkej ou bo to sta%!es5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm so tk`jbs !`le tkat, ou#m ta!l to 8au! ahout"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkej `t cage t`ge to tr to eecute soge oi tke creat`ve `meas tkat ou kam w`tk /r. ;aclsoj,ou#m bo to 8au! to see kow to mo `t, wkat `t wou!m cost, et cetera5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jtk`jb hes`mes tkat"

A,/ahe %ersojje! tkat we were `jterestem `j.

5,&jm wk wou!m ou bo to k`g ior %ersojje!"

A,]o set u% cojtracts or, ou ljow, jebotàtòjs so tkat we cou!m worl w`tk aj `jm`v`mua!.

5,So tkat wou!m he %a`m aba`j5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,So i`jajcà!"

A,9`jajcà!.


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5,So `i ou ajm /`ckae! mec`mem ou wajtem sogehom, sa a ckoreobra%ker --

A,>es.

5,-- a !`bkt`jb %ersoj, a galeu% %ersoj, ka`r ajm galeu%, ou wou!m bo to 8au! so tkat ke cou!m starttke %rocess oi tr`jb to bet tkeg eecutem w`tk a cojtract5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,$ou!m ou bo to k`g ajm sa, Awko mo ou wajt ior ka`r ajm galeu%"A

A,:o.

5,$ou!m ou bo to k`g ajm sa, A8au! Nojbaware, wko mo ou wajt to he tke ckoreobra%ker oj tk`s"A

A,:o.

5,$ou!m ou wa!l `jto 8au!#s oii`ce ajm sa, A8au!, ou#ve moje tk`s ior mecames. $ko mo ou tk`jlskou!m he tke creat`ve iorce hek`jm tk`s"A wou!m ou mo tkat"

A,:o.

5,&jm wk wou!mj#t ou mo tkat"

A,Hecause tke creat`ve %ersoj was /`ckae!.

5,:ow --

A,&jm gse!i.

5,&jm @ was bo`jb to sa, ajm ourse!i5 correct"

A,>es.

5,Hecause ou m`m `t as a teag"

A,$e ta!lem ahout tkese tk`jbs tobetker, ajm @ wou!m bo, w`tk /`ckae!#s h!ess`jb, to 8au! to, ouljow, to heb`j tke %rocess.

5,&jm !et ge ujmerstajm tkat fust a !`tt!e h`t. So ou ajm /r. ;aclsoj wou!m geet, bo over `tegs, ta!lcreat`ve!. >ou#m reaii`rg wkat ou were tk`jl`jb ahout, `meas, ajm tkej ou wou!m bo to /r.Nojbaware ojce ou kam tkeg set ajm sa, Ake, we#m !`le to mo tke io!!ow`jb. aj we mo tk`s, or `s `ttoo e%ejs`ve"A

A,@ moj#t ljow `i @ wou!m sa, A`s `t too e%ejs`ve"A

5,$e!!, tkat#s wk @ aslem.

A,@ wou!m bo ajm sa, Atk`s `s wkat we#m !`le.A


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5,&jm tkej ke wou!m eecute `t5 r`bkt"

A,>eak.

5,>ou m`mj#t bo asl %erg`ss`oj ior `t, m`m ou"

A,:ot rea!!, jo.

5,@ geaj, m`m ke ever te!! ou, ou caj#t mo sogetk`jb"

A,:o.

5,?ver t`ge ou wejt ajm sa`m, A/`ckae! wajts tke io!!ow`jb,A m`mj#t tke tkej mo `t"

A,4e ke!%em us gale `t ka%%ej.

5,&jm caj ou reca!! aj `jstajce wkere tkat m`mj#t ka%%ej"

A,@ rea!! caj#t.

5,&jm wkej ou wejt to k`g, ou wejt to k`g hecause &?N `ve was /r. ;aclsoj#s %artjer,


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5,&jm wk was tkat"

A,Hecause ke was hr`!!àjt, ajm ke ljew wkat ke was mo`jb. &jm at tke ejm oi tke ma, ou ljow,creat`ve!, @ a!was trustem tkat /`ckae! wou!m gale tke r`bkt mec`sòjs ior wkat ke jeemem.

5,@t was k`s tour5 r`bkt"

A,>eak.

5,&jm ke was %utt`jb `t tobetker w`tk our ke!%"

A,>es.

5,&jm ke kam a v`sòj ior wkat ke wajtem to mo"

A,>es. &jm a skarem v`sòj. $e skarem a v`sòj.

5,&jm, `j iact, ke k`rem ou to ke!% k`g w`tk k`s v`sòj ajm ke!% k`g rea!`7e wkat ke was bo`jb to mo5correct"

A,>es.

5,:ow, mur`jb tkat t`ge %eròm wkej ou were worl`jb w`tk /r. ;aclsoj -- ajm ou testìèm heiore `twas 9ehruar, /arck, &%r !, /a -- was /r. ;aclsoj `jvo!vem `j tke %rocess"

A,>es.

5,4ow `jvo!vem was ke, s`r"

A,4e was iu!! `jvo!vem.

5,$ou!m ke jot skow u% to rekearsa!s `j tk`s t`ge %eròm"

A,:ot tkat @ reca!!.

5,$ou!m ke jot skow u% at creat`ve geet`jbs"


5,$ou!m ke jot bet hacl to ou w`tk ajswers oj creat`ve `meas wkej ou#m kave tkeg"

A,:o.

5,&jm `j iact, kow oitej was ke cog`jb ajm geet`jb w`tk ou, !et#s sa, `j 9ehruar, /arck ajm&%r`!"

A,& !ot.


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5,&jm --

A,Aa !otA geaj`jb, @ wou!m buess, tkree mas, iour mas a weel.

5,&jm `s `t ia`r to sa tkat our cojcerj ahout k`s attejmajce at tkese geet`jbs, wketker rekearsa!s,creat`ve geet`jbs, m`mj#t rea!! heb`j ujt`! soget`ge `j ;uje"

A,>es.

5,I!t`gate! -- ajm @#g asl`jb ior our o%`jòj, jot !eba!, jotk`jb e!se. >our o%`jòj, s`r.

A,aj we bo hacl to our !ast 'uestòj, %!ease"

5,>eak. &jtk`jb.

A,]o tke hest oi g ah`!`t, ou ljow, @ regegher `t ka%%ej`jb as we were !eav`jb cejter stabe,gov`jb towarm tke iorug. @ moj#t regegher -- @ caj#t sa A;ujeA w`tkout a ca!ejmar `j irojt oi ge.

5,&jm tkat wou!m he /a. 0j /a +tk5 ola"

A,0la.

5,:ow, g 'uestòj ior ou, s`r -- ajm, aba`j, @#g asl`jb ior our -- wkat ou tkoubkt. :ot !eba!!.:otk`jb e!se. $ko m`m ou cojs`mer our hoss"

A,/`ckae!.

5,&jm wkejever ou#ve heej aslem tkat 'uestòj, wketker me%os`tòjs or otkerw`se, kavej#t oua!was sa`m /`ckae!"

*r, )aj`sk,&ssuges iacts jot `j ev`mejce. :ever heej aslem tkat 'uestòj heiore.

!ke Fu&beMe%os`tòjs, ou geaj"

*r, )aj`sk,>eak. 0r ajwkere.

5, we!!, mo ou regegher he`jb aslem `j our me%os`tòj wko our hoss was"

A,@ he!ève so, es.

5,0la. &jm mo ou regegher wkat ou sa`m"

A,@ he!ève @ sa`m /`ckae!.

5,@j a!! tkese geet`jbs `j tk`s t`ge %eròm wkere ou were w`tk /r. ;aclsoj, caj ou reca!! a t`geever wkere ou tkoubkt &?N `ve --

A,0la. @#g so sorr. @ kave to bo hacl to tkat 'uestòj.


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5,&hso!ute!.

A,$katever @ sa`m, kowever @ sa`m `t, ou ljow, @ tkoubkt oi /`ckae! as g %artjer5 @ m`mj#t tk`jl oi/`ckae! as a hoss. 4owever, @ a!was -- ou ljow, tke i`ja! creat`ve mec`sòjs a!was !a`m w`tk/`ckae! a!! tke ears @ worlem w`tk k`g.

5,&jm tkat wasj#t mìierejt `j tk`s `jstajce, was `t"

A,:o.

5,0la. :ow, `j a!! tke t`ge ou were worl`jb oj tk`s, m`m ou ever iee! tkat &?N `ve ever%ressurem /r. ;aclsoj `j aj wa" M`m ou ever see tkeg %ressur`jb k`g"

A,:o.

5,&jm m`m ou iee! tkat &?N `ve was su%%ort`ve oi /r. ;aclsoj mur`jb tk`s %rocess"

A,>es.

5,&jm wk `s tkat, s`r" $k mo ou iee! tkat wa"

A,@ fust iee! tkat tke -- evertk`jb tkat we hroubkt to &?N, `j tergs oi, ou ljow, tke ejorgouscreat`ve -- our ejorgous creat`ve jeems `j ormer to rea!`7e tke iu!! %otejtà! oi Atk`s `s `t,A /`ckae!#sv`sòj tkat @ skarem, tkat &?N $as ver su%%ort`ve `j mo`jb a!! tke cou!m to ass`st us `j gal`jb tkosetk`jbs ka%%ej.

5,&jm !et#s ta!l ahout tkat, fust ver hrèi!. ]k`s %romuctòj brew ajm brew ajm brew `j tke t`ge ouwere worl`jb w`tk /`ckae!, m`m `t jot"

A,>es, `t m`m.

5,&jm tke cost oi `t brew ajm brew ajm brew, m`mj#t `t"

A,@ wou!m su%%ose `t m`m.

*r, )aj`sk,@ wou!m fust ohfect oj tkat. 9oujmatòj ior tk`s w`tjess.

!ke Fu&beSusta`jem. @i ke ljows.

5, m`m ou bo ajm asl /r. Nojbaware ior gore ajm gore creat`ve tk`jbs to he ammem to tke skow"

A,>es.

5,&jm, aba`j, @ tk`jl -- ajm ke jever sa`m Ajo,A m`m ke"


5,&jm as a resu!t ou ajm /r. ;aclsoj worlem tobetker over gojtks to hu`!m tke skow5 correct"


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A,>es.

5,&jm ou le%t amm`jb e!egejts irog tke t`ge ou hebaj `j 9ehruar ujt`! tke t`ge tkat ou wereahout to bo to tke 6+5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm was tkere ever a t`ge tkat ajhom at &?N `ve cage to ou ajm sa`m, Aou#ve bot to sto%. ]k`s`s bett`jb too h`b ajm too e%ejs`veA"

A,:ot `j tkose worms, jo.

5,$e!!, te!! ge, wkat tke m`m mo"

A,$e!!, @ tk`jl as %roiessòja!s, tke ga kave sa`m, Area!!" Mo ou jeem tk`s" @s tk`s sogetk`jb ourea!! iee! `s bo`jb to hejei`t" Moj#t ou he!ève we kave ejoubk kere"A @ tk`jl tkat, ou ljow, tkattke ie!t tkat we were bett`jb to a %!ace wkere tke wou!m !`le to kave a ce`!`jb, ou ljow, hecause `twas a %rett iat humbet. Hut `j tke ejm, @ a!was ie!t tkat /`ckae! was bett`jb wkat /`ckae! wajtem.

5,&jm wkej ou wejt ajm aslem ior tkese tk`jbs, ou wejt ajm aslem ior tkeg hecause /`ckae!wajtem tkeg5 correct"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou ever asl ior sogetk`jb tkat /`ckae! sa`m ke m`mj#t wajt"

A,:o.

5,&!! r`bkt. $e#!! bo to tke jet tk`jb. &s @ to!m ou, @#g bo`jb to sl`% r`bkt tkroubk tk`s5 ola" :ow,tke !ast t`ge ou were kere, ou testìèm tkat Mr. /urra -- ou regegher wko Mr. /urra `s"

A,>es.

5,-- bot `jvo!vem `j sckemu!`jb mur`jb tke weel oi ;uje tk. Mo ou regegher s%eal`jb ahout tkat"

A,&ba`j, @ moj#t regegher tke eact ma. Hut, es, @ mo reca!! m`scuss`jb Mr. /urra#s `jvo!vegejt `j/`ckae!#s %ortòj oi tke sckemu!`jb.

5,&jm u% ujt`! tkat %o`jt -- @#!! re%resejt to ou tkat at tke t`ge ou were testì`jb, we were ta!l`jbahout tke weel oi ;uje tk5 ola" So u% ujt`! tkat t`ge %eròm, was tkere ever aj otker t`ge tkatou#re aware oi tkat Mr. ojram /urra kam ajtk`jb to mo w`tk /`ckae!#s sckemu!`jb"

A,:o.

5,So tk`s was a jew tk`jb"

A,>es.

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, ohfect to ioujmatòj as to -- ke sa`m ke m`mj#t ljow. ]kat#s i`je. Hut wketker `t#s jew


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or jot, ke wou!mj#t ljow.

5, to ou, tk`s was a jew tk`jb5 correct, s`r"

*r, )aj`sk,]o k`g oj!.

!ke "`tjesses. ]o ge, `t was a jew tk`jb.

5, ajm were ou `j tke geet`jb wkere `t cage ahout wkere Mr. ojram /urra tool oj tkatsckemu!`jb ro!e"

A,:o.

5,So kow m`m `t coge to he -- m`m ou !earj tk`s irog sogehom e!se"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou !earj `t irog /r. ;aclsoj"

A,:o.

5,$ko m`m ou !earj tkat irog"

A,@i @#g jot g`stalej, @ !earjem `t irog /r. 8k`!!`%s.

5,&jm ou a!so gejt`ojem, wkej ou were ta!l`jb ahout tkat, tkat ou tkoubkt tkat /r. 8k`!!`%s at tk`s%o`jt a!so bot `jvo!vem `j tke sckemu!`jb. >ou regegher ta!l`jb ahout tkat"

A,&t tk`s %o`jt @ moj#t ljow tkat ke so guck bot `jvo!vem `j `t as ke was watck`jb over `t.

5,]kat#s wkat @ wajt to asl ou ahout, hecause wkej ou were kere heiore --

A,>eak.

5,-- ou were skowj aj e-ga`!, ou ga reca!! --

A,Ik-kuk.

5,-- irog a gaj jagem ]`gg $oo!!e"

A,>es.

5,&jm `j tkat e-ga`!, `t `jm`catem tkat summej! Mr. ojram /urra ajm 2ajm 8k`!!`%s were `jvo!vem`j sckemu!`jb. Mo ou regegher he`jb skowj tkat"

A,$ou!mj#t g`jm see`jb `t aba`j.

5,@ caj mo tkat.


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*r, )utjag,aj @ kave ek`h`t 1, %!ease"

5, ajm wk`!e tke#re bett`jb tkat, !et ge asl ou a 'uestòjC wko `s ] gg $oo!!e"

A,]`gg $oo!!e worls `j -- @ he!ève `j tke, !`le, i`jajcà! gajabegejt -- ke worlem `j tke i`jajcà!gajabegejt -- @ moj#t ljow ì ke#s &?N 0r fust %art oi tke Atk`s `s `tA brou%.

5,0la.

A,Hut @ he!ève ke worlem `j tke i`jajcà! areas oi tke %rofect.

5,&jm ì @ were to te!! ou tkat tkere#s heej test`goj tkat ke was a tour accoujtajt, moes tkat soujmr`bkt to ou"

A,>es.

5,:ow, m`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb tkat ]`gg $oo!!e was `jvo!vem `j sckemu!`jb `j aj wa"

A,:o.

5,M`m ou kave aj ujmerstajm`jb tkat ke wou!m kave aj ljow!embe ahout or aj reasoj ahoutsckemu!`jb"

*r, )aj`sk,9oujmatòj ior tk`s w`tjess.

*r, )utjag,&sl`jb ì ke kas aj ujmerstajm`jb.

*r, )aj`sk,9oujmatòj. 4ow wou!m ke ljow ì /r. $oo!!e ljows"

!ke Fu&be;ust AesA or Ajo.A overru!em.

*r, )aj`sk,4e moesj#t ljow.

!ke "`tjessjo.

*r, )utjag,&jm ì @ ga a%%roack, our kojor"

!ke Fu&be>ou ga.

5, @#!! b`ve ou a secojm to !ool at tk`s ajm asl ou i ou regegher !ool`jb at tk`s wkej ou were'uestòjem h /r. 8aj`sk wkej ou were kere heiore (`jm`cat`jb).

A,(revèw`jb mocugejt.)

5,Mo ou regegher see`jb tkat heiore, s`r"

A,@ moj#t.

5,0la. @i ou moj#t reca!!, ou moj#t reca!!. >ou jever ta!lem to /r. $oo!!e ahout sckemu!`jb, m`m


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ou"

A,:o.

5,$as ke ever `j a sckemu!`jb geet`jb w`tk ou"

A,:o.

5,@s ke sogeoje wko ou ujmerstoom kam aj ro!e `j sckemu!`jb"

A,:o.

5,$kat was our ujmerstajm`jb as to /r. 8k`!!`%s#s ro!e at tke t`ge `j tergs oi sckemu!`jb" $kat m`mou ujmerstajm"

A,@ !oolem at /r. 8k`!!`%s as, ou ljow, tke %rogoter, /`ckae!#s %rogot`jb %artjer ajm %romuc`jb%artjer ajm wko kam aj `jvestgejt `j tk`s %romuctòj ajm wko wajtem to gale sure tkat `t was --evertk`jb was he`jb talej care oi tkat jeemem to he talej care oi. &jm @ tk`jl at tkat stabe oi tkebage, /r. 8k`!!`%s %rohah! tool oj aj oversee`jb %os`tòj to gale sure tkat, ou ljow, a sckemu!ewas he`jb mes`bjem tkat was res%ojs`h!e ior /`ckae!.

5,$kej ou sa Ares%ojs`h!e ior /`ckae!,A wkat mo ou geaj"

A,;ust tkat /`ckae! kam gaj tk`jbs bo`jb oj tkat were hroubkt to g attejtòj, ou ljow, as`me irogtke ohvòus, iag`!, ajm tkat wkat tke were tr`jb to mo was to create a sckemu!e tkat cou!m iactor `ja!! oi /`ckae!#s jeems ajm st`!! ejah!e k`g to he ah!e to coge to rekearsa!.

5,:ow, assuge ior a gogejt, aj assug%tòj -- so @#g asl`jb ou to assuge sogetk`jb. &ssuge /r.8k`!!`%s cage kere. &ssuge ke testìèm. &jm assuge `j k`s test`goj ke sa`m ke was jot res%ojs`h!e ior/r. ;aclsoj#s rekearsa! or attejmajce sckemu!e ajm tkat /r. $oo!!e#s e-ga`! was g`stalej. $ou!m tkatsur%r`se ou"

*r, )aj`sk,]kere#s jo ioujmatòj, Awou!m `t sur%r`se k`g.A

!ke Fu&be0verru!em.

*r, )aj`sk,&!so `rre!evajt, wketker `t wou!m sur%r`se k`g or jot, wketker /r. 8k`!!`%s sa`m tkatsogeoje e!se `s g`stalej.

!ke Fu&be0verru!em.

5, wou!m tkat sur%r`se ou, s`r"

A,0je gore t`ge w`tk tke 'uestòj.

5,&hso!ute!. &ssuge ior a gogejt tkat 2ajm 8k`!!`%s cage kere ajm testìèm, ajm mur`jb tkattest`goj, ke sa`m tkat ke was jot res%ojs`h!e ior /r. ;aclsoj#s rekearsa! or attejmajce sckemu!e,wasj#t %art oi k`s foh, ajm /r. $oo!!e#s e-ga`! was g`stalej. $ou!m tkat sur%r`se ou, s`r"


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A,:o.

5,&jm m`m ou ever worl w`tk /r. 8k`!!`%s `j aj wa to arrajbe ior /r. ;aclsoj#s sckemu!`jb"

A,@ m`mj#t worl w`tk k`g to arrajbe sckemu!`jb, jo.

5,&!! r`bkt. :et. $e#re bo`jb tkroubk our test`goj. :ow, ou were aslem a jugher oi 'uestòjsahout ;uje tk. Mo ou regegher tkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm ohvòus! ou regegher ;uje tk, wkat occurrem tkat mate"

A,@#!! a!was regegher ;uje tk.

5,]err h!e ma. &jm ou were aslem ahout our ohservatòjs tkat ma, wkat ou ohservem. $kat ouactua!! saw. Mo ou regegher he`jb aslem tkose 'uestòjs"

A,>es.

5,:ow, mo ou regegher -- `j our o%`jòj, m`m ou ever cojs`mer, wkej ou saw /r. ;aclsoj, tkat `t!oolem !`le ke g`bkt kave a rea!! ham i!u" &jm ì @ caj sto% ou ior a gogejt. &t tkat t`ge.

A,0j ;uje tk"

5,>eak. @j otker worms, wkat#s mìierejt, ohvòus!, `s we#re jow !ool`jb hacl. @#g jot asl`jb tkat. &ttkat t`ge.

A,& rea!! ham i!u"

5,Ik-kuk.

A,@ su%%ose @ g`bkt kave subbestem tkat `t cou!m kave !oolem tkat wa. @t was -- `t wou!m kave heej aver ham i!u.

5,&jm `j iact, @ was bo`jb to asl ou tkat. >ou `j iact sa`m, tke oj! wa ou tkoubkt ou cou!mmescr`he `t `s !`le wkej ou kave a rea!! ham i!u5 r`bkt"

A,Ker ham i!u.

5,Mo ou regegher sa`jb tkat, s`r"

A,@ moj#t. Hut @ wou!m sa, ì @ m`m, eak, @ moj#t ljow tkat `t was jecessar`! tke hest wa oimescr`h`jb.

5,Hecause `t was ham5 r`bkt"

A,>eak, `t was ham.


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5,&jm wkej ou were kere, ou ta!lem ahout tke `mea tkat k`s cojm`tòj `g%rovem over tke course oitkat evej`jb5 correct"

A,>eak, a !`tt!e.

5,&jm ke hecage gore art`cu!ate"

A,>es.

5,/ore cokerejt"

A,>es.

5,4e wargem u%"

A,Ikg, es, sogewkat.

5,4e hecage gore ejbabem"

A,>es.

5,&jm ke seegem ca!ger"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou iee! re!èvem over tke course oi tke evej`jb tkat ke seegem to he bett`jb hetter"

A,@ ie!t sogewkat ca!ger h tke t`ge ke !eit tkaj wkej @ -- wkej ke i`rst arr`vem.

5,Hut ou were st`!! cojcerjem"

A,&hso!ute!.

5,&jm tkat#s wk ou sejt tke e-ga`!5 correct"

A,>es.

5,:ow, m`m ou ever tk`jl tkat /r. ;aclsoj#s cojm`tòj tkat evej`jb kam ajtk`jb to mo w`tk mrubs"

A,@t m`mj#t a%%ear to ge. M`mj#t a%%ear to ge tkat `t was mrubs. @t a%%earem to ge tkat `t was sogetk`jbe!se. ?gotòja!, %ks`ca!.

5,So at tke t`ge --

A,@#g jot a moctor, @#g fust --

5,&jm @ ljow tkat, s`r. Hut ou a!so were actua!! tkere.

A,>es.


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5,&jm so tkat#s wk @#g tr`jb to bet --

A,>es.

5,-- wkat ou saw, ajm wkat our `g%ressòj was. So at tkat t`ge, `t jever crossem our g`jm tkat tk`s

g`bkt he mrubs"

*r, )aj`sk,$e!! --

5, g`bkt he mrub re!atem"

A,@ moj#t regegher tk`jl`jb tkat. @ regegher tk`jl`jb otker tk`jbs.

5,&jm ou kam jever seej /r. ;aclsoj !`le tkat ever heiore, kam ou"

A,:o.

5,&jm `j a!! tke t`ge tkat ou were worl`jb ior k`g `j tke gojtks ajm gojtks ajm gojtks !eam`jb u%to ;uje tk, ou kamj#t seej ajtk`jb !`le tk`s5 r`bkt"

A,:o.

5,]k`s was a rea! mìierejt /`ckae! ;aclsoj5 correct"

A,>es.

5,:ow, /r. 8k`!!`%s wasj#t tkere tkat j`bkt5 r`bkt"

A,:o.

5,&jm 8au! Nojbaware wasj#t tkere tkat j`bkt"

A,:ot tkat @ regegher.

5,&jm `s tkat wk ou aslem ior tke e-ga`! to he sejt to tkeg"

A,>es.

5,Hecause ou tkoubkt tke skou!m ljow5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,Hut as a resu!t, tke m`mj#t see k`g `j tkat cojm`tòj, e`tker5 r`bkt"

A,]ke werej#t tkere. :o.

5,Hut tkej ou !et tkeg ljow w`tk tke e-ga`!, ajm tke res%ojmem r`bkt awa w`tk a geet`jb r`bkt tkejet ma5 r`bkt"


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A,>es.

5,&jm ou ta!lem !ast t`ge ahout tke iact tkat tke sejt tke gaterà! oii to /r. ;aclsoj#s varòusre%resejtat`ves. >ou regegher tkat" ]kat -- 2ajm 8k`!!`%s !et k`s re%resejtat`ves ljow. @ was ver'u`cl. $e kam +6 g`jutes.

A,@#g sorr. 0je gore t`ge w`tk tke 'uestòj.

5,Sure. Mo ou regegher ta!l`jb !ast t`ge, ajm @ sa`m to ou, Aì @ were to re%resejt to ou tkat 2ajm8k`!!`%s sejt `t oii to /r. ;aclsoj#s !awers, et cetera, @ aslem ou ì ou tkoubkt tkat was tkeres%ojs`h!e ajm r`bkt tk`jb to mo.A ou regegher tkat"

A,>es. >es.

5,&jm tkej m`m ou a!so tk`jl `t was tke res%ojs`h!e ajm r`bkt tk`jb to mo, to `ggemàte! kave ageet`jb w`tk /r. ;aclsoj tke jet ma"

A,>es.

5,&jm jot oj! m`m ou kave a geet`jb, ou kam a geet`jb wkere k`s %ersoja! %ks`càj was tkere5correct"

A,>es.

5,@j our o%`jòj, m`m tkat seeg !`le aj `ggemàte res%ojse"

A,8rett c!ose to `ggemàte, es.

5,@ geaj, m`m ou iee! tke were m`!!-ma!!`jb --

A,:o.

5,-- or me!a`jb `j soge wa"

A,:o.

5,:ow, !et#s bo to tke jet ma. ]kat ma was ;uje +6tk5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou testìèm !ast t`ge tkat ou were tkere, Mr. ojram /urra was tkere, /`ckae! ;aclsoj wastkere, ajm 2ajm 8k`!!`%s was tkere5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou sa`m tkat `j tkat geet`jb Mr. ojram /urra a%%earem ajbr, startem to !`le accuse ou oitk`jbs5 r`bkt"


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A,>es.

5,4e to!m ou, ou skou!mj#t he aj agateur moctor5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,>ou skou!mj#t he aj agateur %scko!ob`st"

A,>es.

5,]o!m ou to sta out oi `t ajm !eave /r. ;aclsoj#s kea!tk to k`g"

A,>es.

5,&jm ke wejt oj to sa tkat /r. ;aclsoj was %ks`ca!! ca%ah!e oi kajm!`jb tke skow5 correct"

A,>es.

5,4e sa`m tkat /r. ;aclsoj was egotòja!! ca%ah!e oi kajm!`jb tke skow"

A,>es.

5,&jm !ast t`ge ou sa`m tkat at tkat %o`jt, /r. ;aclsoj ste%%em `jto tke cojversatòj. >ou regeghertkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou sa`m tkat /r. ;aclsoj to!m ou ke was ream to tale tke re`js"

A,>es.

5,4e to!m ou jot to worr"

A,>es.

5,4e tkajlem ou ior worr`jb hut to!m ou jot to he aira`m"

A,>es.

5,&jm ke assurem ou ke was i`je5 r`bkt"

A,8armoj ge"

5,4e assurem ou tkat ke was i`je" /`ckae! ;aclsoj.

A,@ m`mj#t iee! assurem.

5,@ was bo`jb to bo tkere jet. Hut ke sa`m ke trèm to assure ou tkat ke was i`je"


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A,4e sa`m -- @ fust regegher k`g sa`jb, Amoj#t !eave ge. @#g bo`jb to tale tke re`js. >ou#!! see. $ecaj mo tk`s,A ou ljow. &jm ke m`m seeg ahso!ute! strojber ajm cogg`ttem.

5,0j tke +6tk"

A,0j tkat gogejt, eak. &t tkat gogejt.

5,Hut ou were st`!! cojcerjem5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,Hecause ou kam seej k`g tke evej`jb heiore wkere ke m`m jot !ool we!!"

A,>es.

5,Hut jow, guck !`le ou sa`m, !`le over tke course oi tke tk, tke evej`jb, ke was bett`jb hetter. 4eseegem a !ot hetter oj tke +6tk, m`mj#t ke"

A,>es.

5,:ow, ou tkej sa`m sogetk`jb !ast t`ge @ wajtem to asl ou ahout. >ou sa`m tkere was sogetk`jbtkat game ou ujcogiortah!e at tke geet`jb. &jm ou sa`m tkat Mr. /urra subbestem tkat /r. ;aclsojto!m k`g oje tk`jb ajm tkej was sa`jb ajotker5 `s tkat correct"

A,Sogetk`jb !`le tkat.

5,?%!a`j tkat to ge. $kat ka%%ejem"

A,$e!!, wkej Mr. /urra was accus`jb ge oi -- ke startem out h sa`jb @ kam jo -- @#g %ara%kras`jb-- jo r`bkt to jot a!!ow /`ckae! to rekearse tkat j`bkt.

5,0j tke tk"

A,0j tke tk. @ kam jo r`bkt to jot a!!ow /`ckae! to rekearse tkat j`bkt ajm tkat @ kam jo r`bkt to sejmk`g koge. &jm @ was, !`le, Awa`t a g`jute. ]kat#s jot at a!! wkat ka%%ejem.A ajm @ e%!a`jem wkatka%%ejem. &jm ke !oolem at /`ckae! ajm sa`m, Ahut tkat#s jot kow /`ckae! %resejtem `t to ge.A ajm tkej/`ckae! sa`m, Aok, jo, jo, jo, jo.A ajm tkere was tk`s sort oi gogejt wkere tkere was, Awa`t a g`jute,wkat#s bo`jb oj"A ajm @ was, !`le, A/`ckae!, te!! k`g. @ m`mj#t iorh`m ou.A @ m`mj#t iorh`m /`ckae!ajtk`jb. /`ckae! sa`m, A@ wajt to sta. @ wajt sogeoje e!se to mo tke skow, ajm @ wajt to s`t w`tk ouajm watck.A ajm wkej `t was t`ge ior /`ckae! to !eave, `t was g subbest`oj, ajm ke sa`m, Awou!m tkathe a!! r`bkt"A ajm @ sa`m, Aes. No koge. ]ucl our ck`!mrej `j,A ou ljow. Aiee! hetter,A ou ljow.&jm so @ was kurt hecause @ m`mj#t iorh`m k`g ajtk`jb. @ m`m tk`jl `t was tke r`bkt tk`jb tkat ke m`mj#tbo oj stabe. @ m`m tk`jl `t was tke r`bkt tk`jb tkat ke wejt koge. &jm tkat was tke, wkat @ wou!m ca!!,tke sort oi g`sujmerstajm`jb or awlwarm gogejt ior ge. :evertke!ess, @ was to!m, as ou sa`m, to hetke m`rector ajm to 'u`t cojcerj`jb gse!i w`tk /`ckae!#s kea!tk5 tkat `t wasj#t g res%ojs`h`!`t.

5,Hut ke to!m ou a!! tkese tk`jbs %r`or to tk`s ujcogiortah!e gogejt5 r`bkt"

A,]ke !em u%. @ tk`jl ke startem `j -- @ tk`jl `t %rohah! startem w`tk, Aou kam jo r`bkt to lee%


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/`ckae! irog %eriorg`jb tkat j`bkt.A ajm @ was, !`le, Awa`t a g`jute.A ajm so @ mehatem tkat, ou ljow.&jm @ was !`le, Atkat#s jot wkat ka%%ejem. @t#s a mìierejt stor.A tkej we govem %ast tkat, ajm tkej @sort oi bot !ecturem.

5,&jm Mr. ojram /urra wasj#t tkere oj tke tk5 r`bkt"

A,:o.

5,&jm was `t our `g%ressòj, tkej, tkat /`ckae! ;aclsoj kam to!m k`g sogetk`jb mìierejt tkaj wkatkam actua!! occurrem"

A,0r tkat ke g`sujmerstoom /`ckae!.

!ke Fu&be@#g sorr. ]kat /r. ;aclsoj g`sujmerstoom or tkat ojram /urra g`sujmerstoom wkat"

!ke "`tjess@ wou!m !`le to tk`jl tkat /`ckae! wou!m jever mo ajtk`jb to set ge u% `j tkat wa. @tk`jl tkat /r. /urra %rohah! g`sujmerstoom /`ckae!. ]kat#s wkat @ ie!t. ]ke wa tkat /`ckae!!oolem at ge ajm tke wa tkat ke res%ojmem. &jm /`ckae! c!arìèm, h tke wa, `j tkat geet`jb. 4ec!arìèm, r`bkt `j irojt oi everoje, tkat `j iact `t wasj#t tke wa `t wejt mowj ajm tkat wkat @ wassa`jb was `j iact tke wa tkat `t wejt mowj.

5, m`m ou m`scuss ajtk`jb ahout mrubs `j tkat geet`jb"

A,:o.

5,M`m /`ckae! ;aclsoj te!! ou kow ke was he`jb treatem h Mr. ojram /urra at tkat geet`jb"

A,:o.

5,M`m ke te!! ou wkat kam heej wrojb w`tk k`g tke j`bkt heiore"

A,:o.

5,M`m ke oiier aj l`jm oi e%!ajatòj ior k`s cojm`tòj tke evej`jb heiore tkat resu!tem `j tk`sgeet`jb tke jet ma"

A,:o.

5,M`m ou asl k`g"

A,:o.

5,M`m ou asl Mr. ojram /urra wkat was wrojb w`tk /`ckae! ;aclsoj tke j`bkt heiore" Moj#t b`vege tke ajswer. @#g fust asl`jb ou ì ou aslem k`g.

A,:o.

5,M`m ke oiier aj e%!ajatòj as to wkat was wrojb w`tk /r. ;aclsoj tke j`bkt heiore" Moj#t te!! gewkat `t was, ì ke m`m. @#g asl`jb, m`m ke oiier aj"


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A,@ moj#t he!ève so, jo.

5,So tkere were assurajces tkat ke was ola5 ke cou!m tale tke re`js5 tkat ke was egotòja!! ajm%ks`ca!! ah!e to mo tke skow. ]kat was ta!lem ahout, hut tkere was jo m`scussòj ahout wkat kam heejwrojb w`tk k`g tke evej`jb heiore"

!ke Fu&be@s tkat correct"

!ke "`tjesses.

*r, )utjag,]ale a hreal jow, our kojor"

!ke Fu&be:o. =ee% bo`jb.

*r, )utjag,=ee% bo`jb" 0la.

5, so @#!! asl ou ahout sogetk`jb ou ta!lem ahout !ast t`ge. Mo ou regegher ta!l`jb ahout majcersajm tkat ckoreobra%kers are jot res%ojs`h!e ior a majcer#s kea!tk hecause majcers are res%ojs`h!e iortke`r owj kea!tk"

A,>es.

5,Mo ou regegher sa`jb tkat"

A,Sogetk`jb !`le tkat, es.

5,$kat m`m ou geaj h tkat"

A,@#m he ka%% to b`ve ou aj eag%!e.

5,Sure.

A,@ worlem w`tk 6,666 %eriorgers mur`jb tke 0!g%`cs. 4ow cou!m @ he res%ojs`h!e ior everhom#skea!tk"

5,$kat ahout a ckoreobra%ker mea!`jb w`tk tkree %eo%!e" @s tkat ckoreobra%ker res%ojs`h!e ior amajcer#s kea!tk"

A,:o.

5,$k jot"

A,&mu!ts are res%ojs`h!e ior tke`r owj kea!tk.

5,&t tke t`ge, m`m ou tk`jl /r. ;aclsoj was res%ojs`h!e ior k`s owj kea!tk"

*r, )aj`sk,]k`s ca!!s ior s%ecu!atòj.


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!ke Fu&be0verru!em.

!ke "`tjess@ m`mj#t tk`jl ke was he`jb ver res%ojs`h!e, hut `t was k`s res%ojs`h`!`t, `j g o%`jòj.

5, ajm tkat#s karm ior ou to sa5 r`bkt"

A,$e!!, @ wajtem to tale care oi k`g. >ou a!was wajt to tale care oi sogeoje ì ou care ahout tkegajm tke#re jot iee!`jb r`bkt. Hut ou caj#t he res%ojs`h!e ior tkeg5 tke kave to he res%ojs`h!e iortkegse!ves.

5,&jm m`m ou ever tk`jl tkat ou were res%ojs`h!e ior /r. ;aclsoj#s kea!tk"

A,:o.

5,>ou !ovem k`g5 r`bkt, s`r"

A,>es.

5,>ou carem mee%! ahout k`g"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou ever m`scuss mrubs w`tk /r. ;aclsoj `j aj wa"

A,:o.

5,&jm ou ljew k`g ior a !ojb, !ojb t`ge5 r`bkt" S`jce at !east #"

A,>es.

5,Hut tkat#s jot a m`scussòj ou ever kam w`tk /r. ;aclsoj5 r`bkt"

A,:o.

5,>ou regegher tkat ou m`scussem !ast t`ge worl`jb oj tke AMajberousA tour5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm mo ou regegher testì`jb as we!! tkat ou kam ujmerstoom tkat a t`ge cage wkere /r.;aclsoj !eit tkat tour ajm wejt to rekah"

A,>es.

5,&jm tkat tour was #+ to #. Skort! aiter tkat `j #, ou worlem w`tk /r. ;aclsoj oj tkat 4H0s%ecà!5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,Aoje j`bkt oj!A"


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A,>es.

5,Heiore ou abreem to mo tkat -- str`le tkat. $as `t /`ckae! ;aclsoj wko a%%roackem ou ajm aslemou to ke!% k`g w`tk tkat"

A,]kroubk sogeoje e!se.

5,Mo ou regegher wko `t was tkroubk"

A,@i @#g jot g`stalej, `t was tke m`rector oi tke skow, or `t cou!m kave heej sogeoje e!se. Hut as @ hestreca!!, @ he!ève `t was tke m`rector oi tke skow tkat %!acem a ca!! ajm sa`m tkat A/`ckae! wou!m rea!!a%%recàte `t ì ou cou!m coge ajm he kere.A

5,&jm fust to reg`jm everoje, tk`s was tke oje wkere ou cage oj l`jm oi as a cojsu!tajt hecause/r. ;aclsoj was cojcerjem"

A,9or !acl oi a hetter wa oi ca!!`jb `t. @ moj#t evej ljow ì @ kam a t`t!e. @ he!ève /`ckae! kam ca!!emge `j. 4e was ujka%% w`tk tke wa tk`jbs were rujj`jb, ajm ke wajtem ge to he tkere, ajm kewajtem ge to !ool at wkat was bo`jb oj.

5,&jm ou abreem to mo tkat5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkej ou m`m, m`m ou asl /r. ;aclsoj ahout k`s rekah st`jt skort! heiore"

A,:o.

5,M`m ou asl k`g at tkat %o`jt ajtk`jb ahout k`s mrub use"

A,:o.

5,M`m ke ta!l to ou ahout `t `j aj geasure"

A,:o.

5,Heiore ou abreem to bo ke!% k`g w`tk tk`s, m`m ou tk`jl ahout gahe jot mo`jb `t hecause ke kamboje to rekah"

A,:o.

5,&jm wk jot"

A,Hecause ke cage out oi rekah.

5,&jm wkat moes tkat geaj to ou"

A,]kat ke was gov`jb oj w`tk k`s !ìe ajm `j kea!tk, @ wou!m kave ko%em.


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5,So as iar as ou were cojcerjem, tkere was jo reasoj jot to ke!% k`g w`tk 4H05 correct"

A,0i course jot.

5,&jm ou m`m iee! ou were ke!%`jb k`g w`tk tkat5 correct"

A,@ was tr`jb to, eak.

5,:ow, ou sa`m ou jever m`scussem mrubs `j aj geasure w`tk /r. ;aclsoj5 r`bkt"

A,orrect.

5,M`m ou ever ta!l to k`g ahout jutr`t`oj"

A,&s a bejera! `mea.

5,$kat ahout %ks`ca! tkera%"

A,>es.

5,4`s bejera! kea!tk"

A,;ust as a %eriorg`jb art`st, ou ljow, are ou tal`jb -- are ou iocus`jb oj a!! oi tkose tk`jbs tkat,ou ljow, art`sts jeem to iocus oj wkej tke#re `j %romuct`oj.

5,&jm so ou kam ta!lem to k`g ahout jour`skgejt ajm kea!tk"

A,>es.

5,Stretck`jb ajm s!ee%"

A,>es.

5,&jm wou!m ou e%ress cojcerj wkej ou s%ole to k`g tkat gahe ke wasj#t mo`jb a!! tkose tk`jbstke wa ke skou!m he"

*r, )aj`sk,Soujms vabue as to t`ge.

*r, )utjag,&t aj t`ge.

*r, )aj`sk,$e!!, `t#s overhroam, tkej.

!ke Fu&beSusta`jem.

5, ou sa`m tkat ou m`m s%eal w tk k`g ahout tkese tk`jbs5 correct" M`m ou s%eal w`tk k`g ahouttkese tk`jbs wkej ou were worl`jb w`tk k`g oj tke AMajberousA tour"

A,@ moj#t regegher.


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5,$kat ahout wkej ou were worl`jb oj tke 4H0 s%ecà!"

A,@ moj#t regegher.

5,$kat ahout wkej ou were worl`jb oj Ak`storA"

A,@#g sorr. @ tkoubkt ou fust sa`m, A4`stor.A

5,@ sa`m AMajberous,A i`rst.

A,Amajberous.A ajm tkej wkat was tke secojm oje"

5,4H0, ajm tkej A4`stor.A

A,/ahe @ g`bkt kave mur`jb tke 4H0. @ moj#t regegher Ak`stor.A

5,&jm wkat ahout mur`jb tke t`ge tkat ou were worl`jb w`tk /r. ;aclsoj ior tke Atk`s `s `tA skows"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou ta!lem ahout jour`skgejt, kea!tk, s!ee% ajm stretck`jb"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou reca!! /r. ;aclsoj#s reactòjs --

A,@ tk`jl Awarg`jb u%,A gahe, ratker tkaj Astretck`jb.A hut gahe @ m`m use Astretck`jb.A

5,&jm mo ou reca!! wkat /r. ;aclsoj#s res%ojse wou!m he wkej ou wou!m ta!l to k`g ahout tkesetk`jbs"

A,Ikg, gahe `j soge areas, es.

5,&jm wkat was `t, s`r"

A,Ikg, we!!, @ fust -- wkej @ aslem ì ke was bett`jb ejoubk jour`skgejt, ke assurem ge tkat ke was5wkej @ ta!lem to k`g ahout gassabe, ou ljow, ke wasj#t rea!! iojm oi tkat. $kej @ ta!lem to k`gahout k`s jutr`tòj, ou ljow, ke a!was -- ou ljow, ke a!was, `j suck a !ov`jb wa, ou ljow -- @geaj, @ caj see k`g !ool`jb at ge, ou ljow, ajm fust sg`!`jb at ge, ou ljow, ajm Amoj#t worrA orAola,A ou ljow. @t was Amoj#t iorbet to eat ajm bet soge rest,A ajm, ou ljow -- `t was fust !`lehrotker!, fust, ou ljow, as ou reg`jm ajhom tkat ou care ahout.

5,&jm ke wou!m te!! ou, ior eag%!e, ahout k`s we`bkt, jot to worr, `t#s ola"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou ever te!! k`g ke jeemem to eat"


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A,@ moj#t ljow ì @ sa`m `t tkat wa.

5,$kat ahout te!!`jb k`g ke jeemem to eat gore"

A,@ moj#t evej ljow ì @ sa`m `t tkat wa.

5,aj ou reca!! /r. ;aclsoj ever te!!`jb ou tkat ke was at k`s i`bkt`jb we`bkt"

A,>es.

5,$kej m`m tkat occur"

A,@ moj#t reca!! eact! wkej `t occurrem. @ tk`jl !ater `j tke rekearsa!s.

5,]k`s was mur`jb Atk`s `s `tA"

A,>eak. @t was a terg -- `t was sogetk`jb tkat ke kam sa`m, ou ljow, heiore Atk`s `s `t.A `t wassogetk`jb tkat -- ou ljow, ke !`lem to he at a certa`j l`jm oi %!ace. 4e ie!t hetter, ou ljow, `j tergsoi he`jb ah!e to eecute k`s goves ajm kave tke !`je ajm tke !ool tkat ke wajtem.

5,&jm m`m ke sa tkat at a t`ge wkej ou were e%ress`jb our cojcerj ahout k`s we`bkt"

*r, )aj`sk,Kabue as to t`ge, aba`j.

*r, )utjag,@ sa`m mur`jb tke Atk`s `s `tA tour.

*r, )aj`sk,:o. @ tk`jl ke sa`m --

!ke Fu&be0verru!em.

5, was tkat k`s res%ojse mur`jb tke Atk`s s `tA tour wkej ou#m `jm`catem tkat ou were cojcerjemahout k`s we`bkt"

A,@ g`bkt kave heej a !`tt!e cojcerjem h tke t`ge @ hroubkt tkat u%, es.

5,&jm ou sa`m tkat ke kam gejtòjem tk`s heiore. 4am ou ever m`scussem tk`s `mea ahout k`s i`bkt`jbwe`bkt ajm he`jb tk`j"

A,$e!!, @ tk`jl `t was fust sogetk`jb tkat @#m kearm, gahe ì sogehom e!se hroubkt `t u%.

5,@j our o%`jòj, was /r. ;aclsoj a!was sl`jj"

A,@ oj! ljew k`g `j tke ears wkere ke was ver wkat @ wou!m ca!! a !`tke, !eaj %eriorger. erta`j!`j k`s ear!èr ears ke was, @ tk`jl, gore gusc!e houjm. @j tke ears tkat @ worlem w`tk k`g, ke wasgore !eaj.

5,&jm h tkat, ou geaj !`le `j tke #6s"

A,>eak. $kej @ i`rst startem worl`jb w`tk k`g, ke was ver !`tke ajm !eaj.


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5,&jm gore gusc!es mur`jb tkat t`ge %eròm"

A,>eak. 4e was strojb, hut !`tke.

5,$as tkat !ess so wkej ou were worl`jb w`tk k`g +6 ears !ater oj Atk`s `s `tA"

A,&%%earem so.

*r, )utjag,:ow, our kojor"

!ke Fu&beSkou!m %rohah! tale a hreal jow. et#s mo 6 g`jutes.

/9EA

!ke Fu&be>ou ga cojt`jue.

*r, )utjag,]kajl ou, our kojor.

5, /r. 0rteba, wkat @#g bo`jb to mo jet `s ver hrèi! bo tkroubk our worl w`tk /r. ;aclsoj. &jm@#!! fust re%resejt tkat tke reasoj @#g mo`jb so `s, tke !ast t`ge ou `jm`catem tkat tke !ast t`ge ou kamworlem w`tk /r. ;aclsoj %ròr to Atk`s `s `tA was oj tkat 4H0 s%ecà!. So @#g bo`jb to tr to bo tkroubksoge oi our worl w`tk ou 'u`cl!.

A,0la. &jm, aba`j, tkat was a buesst`gate.

5,&jm !et#s see ì we caj i` tkat a !`tt!e5 ola"

A,]kajl ou. 0la.

5,So was tke i`rst t`ge tkat ou worlem w`tk /r. ;aclsoj tke AmajberousA tour"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou kam jever worlem w`tk k`g heiore tkej5 r`bkt"

A,:ot m`rect! w`tk k`g. @ kam heej `jvo!vem w`tk %romuctòjs tkat /`ckae! was `j, hut @ wasj#tworl`jb w`tk k`g.

5,&jm ou cage oj, ajm ou -- wkat was our ro!e oj tke AmajberousA tour"

A,Ikg, @ he!ève `t was a s`g`!ar ca%ac`t. @ ga kave heej fust tke m`rector5 g`bkt jot kave heej a co-m`rector s`tuatòj tkej. &jm tkej gahe su%erv`s`jb ckoreobra%ker.

5,&jm ì @ were to re%resejt to ou tkat tkat was `j #+*#, moes tkat soujm ahout r`bkt to ou"

A,]kat soujms -- es.


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5,ou%!e ver 'u`cl 'uestòjs ahout tkat. So wkej ou coge oj `j tkat ro!e, kow !ojb mo ou staw`tk tke tour" Mo ou bo tkroubk tke wko!e tour" Sta w`tk `t irog #+ to #"

A,:o.

5,$kat mo ou bejera!! mo"

A,Me%ejm`jb oj -- @ usua!! !`le to sta ujt`! @ ljow tkat evertk`jb `s worl`jb ajm tkat `t#s rujj`jb totke sat`siactòj oi a!! tke %!aers5 tkat tke %rogoters are ka%%, ajm, oi course, tke art`st `s ka%% ajmtkat @#g ka%%. &jm so soget`ges tkat caj he tkree or iour skows5 soget`ges tkat#s s` or e`bkt skows.@t rea!! `s me%ejmejt oj tke %romuctòj.

5,&jm fust to gale sure @ ujmerstajm, so soget`ge %ròr to tke heb`jj`jb oi tke AmajberousA tour, oucage oj ajm worlem w`tk /r. ;aclsoj creat`jb tkat tour"

A,>es.

5,&jm tkej m`m ou sta oj ior tke i`rst tkree, e`bkt skows"

A,>es. Sogetk`jb `j tkere, es, as @ reca!!.

5,&jm as tke tour cojt`jues w`tkout ou, ou bo koge"

A,>es.

5,&jm as we jotem, hotk wkej ou were kere !ast t`ge, ajm we ta!lem ahout `t hrèi! a gogejt abo,tkat was tke tour tkat ejmem w`tk /r. ;aclsoj bo`jb to rekah, hut ou werej#t tkere wkej tkatka%%ejem5 correct"

A,:o.

5,&t tke t`ge tkat ou were tkere, wkej ou were worl`jb w`tk /r. ;aclsoj %re%ar`jb ior tkeAmajberousA tour, m`m ou ever kave aj cojcerj tkat ke g`bkt he us`jb mrubs"

A,:o. :ot tkat @ reca!!.

5,Mo ou he!ève tkat ì ou kam tkoubkt tkat, `t wou!m he sogetk`jb tkat ou wou!m reca!!"

*r, )aj`sk,S%ecu!atòj.

!ke Fu&be0verru!em.

!ke "`tjesses.

5, ajm ajotker 'uestòj oj tkat. $kej ou were %re%ar`jb -- wkej ou were rekears`jb, mo ou reca!!ì tk`s was a t`ge tkat /r. ;aclsoj !`vem at :ever!ajm"

A,@ he!ève ke m`m !`ve tkere, es.


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5,M`m ou ever mo rekearsa!s tkere"

A,:o.

5,$kere m`m ou rekearse"

A,9or AmajberousA" @ he!ève we worlem `j a soujmstabe.

5,4ere `j os &jbe!es"

A,4ere `j os &jbe!es.

5,So tkat was #+*#. &jm tkej, #, @#!! re%resejt to ou, was tke 4H0 s%ecà! Aoje j`bkt oj!A tkatou ta!lem ahout heiore. &jm mur`jb tkat, heiore -- we ta!lem ahout tk`s !ast t`ge, so @#!! tr to jot botkroubk `t a!! aba`j. ]kat was tke oje wkere /r. ;aclsoj co!!a%sem, wejt to tke kos%`ta!, ajm u!t`gate!tkat cojcert jever occurrem5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,:ow, oj tkat oje, @ kam aslem ou ear!èr toma ì ou were cojcerjem heiore cog`jb oj hoarmhecause oi tke rekah. >ou sa`m ou werej#t. Mur`jb tke t`ge ou were worl`jb w`tk /r. ;aclsoj -- ajm@ ujmerstajm `t was hrèi -- ior tk`s s%ecà!, tke 4H0 s%ecà!, u% ujt`! tke %o`jt wkere ke co!!a%sem, m`mou ever kave aj cojcerjs tkat /r. ;aclsoj g`bkt he us`jb mrubs aba`j"

A,:o.

5,M`m ke seeg we!! to ou"

A,Ijka%%. es. >es.

5,]kat was tke heacoj tkeater5 r`bkt"


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A,>es.

5,So ou were actua!! at tke heacoj tkeater. 4e was rekears`jb"

A,>es.

5,&jm ke wejt mowj"

A,>es.

5,$as `t scar"

A,>es.

5,4am ou ever seej k`g mo ajtk`jb !`le tkat heiore"

A,:o.

5,&jm wkat ka%%ejem wkej ke wejt mowj"

A,4`s secur`t, ajm a!! tke %eo%!e tkat -- ou ljow, tkat worlem w`tk k`g fug%em r`bkt `j ver, ver'u`cl!. &jm %eo%!e `ggem`ate! res%ojmem to bet, ou ljow, aj aghu!ajce. &jm everhom e!se l`jmoi fust haclem out oi tke wa ajm bave %eo%!e roog. &jm @ tk`jl we !eit tke roog heiore ke was evej --%aragem`cs tool k`g.

5,@ was bo`jb to asl ou tkat. So were ou oje oi tke %eo%!e wko ruskem, or were ou oje oi tke%eo%!e wko stoom hacl ajm sa`m, Ab`ve tke %eo%!e roog to mo wkat tke kam to moA"

A,:o. @ tk`jl tkere was a secur`t brou% oi %eo%!e tkat worlem w`tk /`ckae! at tkat t`ge tkat werever, ver, ver c!ose to k`g. &jm tke `ggem`ate! aslem everhom to bet out oi tke wa, ou ljow.&jm -- wk`ck `s ujmerstajmah!e. &jm tke fug%em r`bkt `j tkere, ajm we fust a!! sort oi govem hacl outoi tke wa.

5,&jm `s `t ia`r to sa, tkej, tkat ou m`mj#t bo ta!l to /r. ;aclsoj aiter tk`s ka%%ejem --

A,:o.

5,-- at tke heacoj"

A,:o.

5,M`m ou bo -- ke wejt to tke kos%`ta!5 `s tkat correct" 4e wejt to tke kos%`ta!"

A,>es.

5,M`m ou bo to tke kos%`ta!"

A,:o.


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5,&t aj %o`jt wk`!e ke was tkere, m`m ou bo to tke kos%`ta!"

A,:o.

5,$k jot"

A,@ wasj#t `jv`tem. erta`j! cojcerjem.

5,M`m ou ever m`scuss tkat co!!a%se w`tk /r. ;aclsoj"

A,:o.

5,@s `t ia`r to sa tkat our cojsu!tatòj oj tkat s%ecà! ejmem tkat ma"

A,>es.

5,&jm so aiter tkat, m`m ou bo hacl to os &jbe!es"

A,$ejt hacl -- ì @#g jot g`stalej, s`r, @ wejt hacl to :askv`!!e wkere @ was worl`jb oj a foh.

5,0la. &jm m`m ou ever m`scuss tkat co!!a%se w`tk /r. ;aclsoj at aj %o`jt"

A,:ot tkat @ caj regegher. 8rett sure @ m`mj#t.

5,$kej ke co!!a%sem, at tkat %o`jt were ou worrèm tkat ke g`bkt he mo`jb mrubs"

A,:o.

5,4e kam fust heej to rekah two ears heiore5 r`bkt"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou ljew tkat"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou werej#t cojcerjem ahout tkat" &hout tkat %oss`h`!`t"

A,:o.

5,So tkat was #. &jm tke reasoj @#g hr`jb`jb u% tke evejt `s hecause ou tkoubkt tkat was tke !astt`ge heiore Atk`s `s `t.A m`m ou worl oj tke Ak`storA tour"

A,@ m`m.

5,&jm ì @ were to te!! ou tkat was #1*#3, aiter tke 4H0 s%ecà!, moes tkat soujm r`bkt to ou"

A,>es.


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5,&jm tkat#s oje ear !ater5 r`bkt" M`m /r. ;aclsoj asl ou to coge oj hoarm"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkat was our ro!e tkere, s`r"

A,Sage. M`rector. 8rohah! creat`ve, ou ljow, !`le a -- @ he!ève tkat#s wkere we rea!! startem ourcreat`ve %artjersk`%. ?jv`sòj`jb tke skow tobetker. o-m`rect`jb.

5,&jm m`m tkat occur kere `j os &jbe!es aba`j"

A,>es.

5,&jm mur`jb tkat, tkose rekearsa!s, m`m ou ever rekearse u% at :ever!ajm"

A,:o.

5,&jm @#m !`le to aslC Amajberous,A was tk`s ajotker eag%!e wkere ou cage oj, ke!%em start w`tk tkeskow, ajm staem oj ior severa! cojcerts oi tke tour"

A,>es.

5,:ow, tk`s `s a ear aiter tke 4H0 -- so tk`s `s

A,>ear aiter tke 4H0 co!!a%se ajm tkree ears aiter /r. ;aclsoj wejt `jto rekah5 correct"

A,>es.

5,So wkej /r. ;aclsoj aslem ou to coge oj hoarm to mo tk`s, m`m ou kave aj cojcerjs tkat keg`bkt he mo`jb mrubs aba`j"

A,$e!!, @ m`mj#t ljow tkat ke was mo`jb mrubs.

5,So wkej ke wejt to rekah, wkat m`m ou ujmerstajm ke kam boje to rekah ior"

A,$e!!, @#m ream mìierejt storès. @ kearm tkat `t was %a`j gem`catòj, ajm -- hut, aba`j, ke cage out oirekah, ajm tkat k`s -- ajm k`s s%e!! at 4H0 m`m jot subbest to ge tkat `t was -- @ geaj, @ was watck`jb agaj wko was ajòus ajm stressem ajm ujka%%, ajm @ i`burem tkat tkat#s wkat `t was re!atem to, k`sia`jt or co!!a%se. So wkej ke `jv`tem ge to he a %art oi Ak`stor,A @ a!was wajtem to worl w`tk/`ckae!, ou ljow.

5,$ere ou ec`tem"

A,@ a!was het oj k`g.

5,$kat mo ou geaj h tkat"

A,@ fust he!èvem `j k`g ajm he!èvem ke wou!m r`se to tke occasòj.


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5,&jm `j iact m`m ke r`se to tke occasòj oj tke Ak`storA tour"

A,>es.

5,Hut at tke t`ge ou abreem, ou m`mj#t m`scuss w`tk k`g tke co!!a%se"

A,:o.

5,>ou m`mj#t m`scuss w`tk k`g tke rekah"

A,:o.

5,&jm `s `t ia`r to sa ou werej#t cojcerjem ahout tkose two `jc`mejts hecause ou wajtem to me%ejmoj /`ckae!"

A,@ fust tk`jl tkat /`ckae!#s ejtkusàsg ajm ec`tegejt, mes`re, %assòj, overwke!gem ge ajm mrewge `j, !`le a!was.

5,&jm was `t a boom e%erèjce"

A,&wesoge.

5,M`m ou ever rebret tkat ou#m het oj /`ckae! `j tergs oi tke Ak`storA tour"

A,:o.

5,$as `t a boom het"

A,>es.

5,&jm wkej ou cage oj hoarm ajm mec`mem to worl w`tk k`g aba`j -- aba`j, tk`s `s #1*#3 -- mur`jbtkat t`ge wkej ou worlem w`tk k`g, was tkere ever a t`ge ou were cojcerjem tkat gahe ke wasus`jb mrubs"

A,:o.

5,$as tkere ever a t`ge wkej ou were cojcerjem tkat -- we!!, mur`jb tk`s t`ge, m`m ke seeg t`rem ajmujka%% aba`j"

A,:o.

*r, )aj`sk,$kat t`ge are we ta!l`jb ahout"

*r, )utjag,Sa`m ke was t`rem ajm ujka%% ajm stressem --

*r, )aj`sk,:o, jo. ]k`s t`ge.

*r, )utjag,$kej ke was rekears`jb ior A4`stor.A


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*r, )aj`sk,Kabue as to wkej `j t`ge.

!ke Fu&be@ ujmerstajm `t to he tke Ak`storA tour. M`m ou ujmerstajm `t was A4`storA"

!ke "`tjesses.

*r, )aj`sk,$kat t`ge" $kat ear"

5, kave to he j #1 wkej ou were rekears`jb ior tke tour `j #1*#3"

A,>es.

5,So mur`jb tkat t`ge, ou were rekears`jb, wk`ck `s u% ujt`! `t heb`js, ajm severa! skows `j tkeheb`jj`jb"

A,>es.

5,]kere was jo t`ge wkej ou were cojcerjem ahout /r. ;aclsoj#s %ks`ca! state" @s tkat ia`r to sta"

A,>eak, @ moj#t he!ève so.

5,$kat ahout k`s egotòja! state"


5,&jm, aba`j, jo cojcerj ahout mrubs at tkat %o`jt5 r`bkt"

A,:o.

5,&jm jow, ou kam `jm`catem !ast t`ge tkat bejera!! ou worl oj rekearsa!s, %ut tobetker a skow,ajm tkej ou bo to tke i`rst cou%!e, gale sure `t#s worl`jb, ajm ojce `t `s, ou#re boje5 r`bkt" Mo ousoget`ges coge hacl to gale sure tk`jbs are bo`jb correct! or tweal `t or ajtk`jb !`le tkat" es.

5,M`m ou mo tkat mur`jb AmajberousA"

A,Mur`jb AmajberousA"

5,@ skou!m asl ou tkat. M`m ou mo tkat mur`jb AMajberousA"

A,@ moj#t he!ève so. @ moj#t he!ève @ cage hacl mur`jb aj oi tkeg. @ cou!m he correctem, hut @ moj#the!ève @ m`m.

5,]kej aiter tkat -- aba`j, tkat was #1*#3 -- ou worlem w`tk /r. ;aclsoj `j /uj`ck `j 5correct"

A,>es.


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5,&jm wkere m`m ou rekearse ior tkat, s`r"

A,@ he!`eve r`bkt tkere.

5,@j /uj`ck"

A,>eak. $as tkat tke oje-oii" $as tkat tke ckar`t"

5,Ik-kuk.

A,>eak.

5,$kere tke stabe co!!a%sem"

A,0k, jo. ]kat#s -- ou#re ta!l`jb ahout -- tkat#s k`s tour.

5,]kat was tke tour"

A,>eak.

5,So tke /uj`ck skow, tkej, was a oje-oii skow `j #"

A,:o. ]ke hr`mbe co!!a%sem mur`jb k`s tour wkej @ was st`!! tkere.

!ke Fu&be$k`ck tour `s tkat" @s tkat es.

5,So ou were %resejt ior tkat5 correct"

A,>es.

5,&jm ou ta!lem ahout tkat !ast t`ge. No to #, tkej. >ou kam a oje-oii skow `j /uj`ck"

A,$e kam oje-oii skow `j ?uro%e w`tk &jmrea Hoce!!`, hut @ moj#t regegher wkere.

5,0la. &jm tkat was soget`ge aiter Ak`storA"

A,@ tk`jl so.

5,0la. &jm --


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A,0r `t cou!m kave -- kojest!, jow ou bet ge `j trouh!e, hecause @#g jot sure wkere tke 2.9.=. &jmtke ?uro%eaj ckar`t skows !`jem u% w`tk tke rest oi our tour`jb.

5,@ w`!! ckecl at !ujck.

A,orrect.

5,&jm see ì tkat reireskes. &jm irog /uj`ck, wkej ou were rekears`jb --

A,@#g sorr.

5,-- wkerever `t was `j ?uro%e --

A,So wkej ou sa`m, Awkere m`m ou rekearse ior tkat,A @ tkoubkt ou were ta!l`jb ahout ior tkeckar`t evejt.

5,Not `t.

A,2`bkt. $e wou!m a!was fust rekearse wkere tke ckar`t was. ]ke A4`storA tour was rekearsem `jos &jbe!es, ajm tkej tke teckj`ca! ajm mress rekearsa!s wou!m kave ka%%ejem `j tke o%ej`jb c`t tkatwe wou!m kave %eriorgem `j.

5,So `j # wkej ou were -- @ he!ève `t was /uj`ck, hut @ w`!! ckecl.

A,0la.

5,-- mo ou regegher kav`jb aj cojcerjs ahout /r. ;aclsoj#s kea!tk at tkat t`ge"

A,@ moj#t reca!! kav`jb aj cojcerjs.

5,Mo ou reca!! kav`jb aj cojcerjs ahout k`s egotòja! we!!-he`jb"

A,:o.

5,&jm wkat ahout aj cojcerjs tkat %erka%s tkere was aj `ssue w`tk mrubs"


5,&jm @ was fust to!m tkat /uj`ck was w`tk -- was tk`s oje-oii ior tke ckar`t `j .

A,0la. Hut tkat was jot tke hr`mbe, was `t"

5,$as jot" 0la. ]kat, @ caj#t te!! ou. @ tkoubkt `t was.

A,/uj`ck was &jmrea Hoce!!`, /`ckae! ajm &jmrea Hoce!!`, ajm tkat was a ckar`t.

5,0la. &jm, aba`j, jo cojcerj at tkat t`ge"

A,:o.


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5,&jm tkej aiter tkat, ou m`mj#t worl w`tk /r. ;aclsoj aba`j ujt`! tke Atk`s `s `tA tour5 correct"

A,&s @ reca!!, es.

5,:ow, wkej ou bot worm tkat /r. ;aclsoj wajtem ou ior tke Atk`s `s `tA tour, were ou worrèm

ahout mrubs at a!!"

A,:o. @ kam seej k`g.

5,$kere m`m ou see k`g"

A,4am m`jjer w`tk k`g a cou%!e oi t`ges. Hroubkt tke ck`!mrej to see Ak`bk sckoo! gus`ca!A !`ve. $ejtto tke govès. &jm ojce aba`j, ke was fust rea!! ec`tem, rea!! meterg`jem, iee!`jb ream, mes`r`jb.&jm jot ljow`jb et wkej `t was bo`jb to ka%%ej or wkat `t was bo`jb to he, hut sort oi iee!`jb !`lesogetk`jb -- ke was ream to mo sogetk`jb.

5,@ wajt to asl ou ahout tkat, hecause ou gejtòjem `t `j oje oi our me%os`tòjs tkat ou get acou%!e t`ges, ajm ou a!! kam m`scussem worl`jb at soge %o`jt. ou!m ou te!! ge a !`tt!e h`t ahout tkat"

A,>eak. $kej @ was `j as Kebas worl`jb oj a %rofect tkere, /`ckae! fo`jem ge ior m`jjer oj acou%!e oi occasòjs, ajm tke were fust irèjm! m`jjers. Hut ì we m`scussem ajtk`jb, `t was k`s mes`reto bo hacl out. 4e wajtem to bet `t moje, wajtem to mo `t. &jm `t was a!was, wkejever we bot tobetker-- wk`ck was rare -- tkat ì we ta!lem ahout ajtk`jb, @ tk`jl mur`jb tkat %re-%eròm oi Atk`s `s `t,A `t wasfust sort oi aj ec`tegejt tkat ke was iee!`jb tkat `t was aroujm tke corjer.

5,&jm m`m ou m`scuss at tkat %o`jt tke `mea tkat ì `t ever ka%%ejem, ou ajm ke wou!m worl tobetker"

A,8rohah!.

5,>ou fust moj#t reca!!"

A,@ fust moj#t reca!!.

5,&jm wkej ke ta!lem ahout tk`s, wkat m`m ke sa" M`m ke sa ke was m`jb to bo hacl oj a tour" M`mke sa ke wajtem to %eriorg aba`j" $kat m`m ke sa"

A,]kat cage !ater. @j tke heb`jj`jb, `t was -- ke was he`jb a%%roackem. 4e was he`jb a%%roackem, ajm@ he!ève tkere were two %eo%!e. 0je oi tkeg was a S`goj -- jot S`goj owe!!, hut S`goj wko `s`jvo!vem `j tke &ger`caj `mo! ejter%r`se. @ he!ève ke a%%roackem /`ckae!. @ he!ève /r. $jj g`bktkave a%%roackem /`ckae!. &jm tke were a!! !ool`jb to i`jm sogetk`jb to mo w`tk k`g. &jm @ tk`jltke were l`jm oi, gahe, iocus`jb oj as Kebas as aj `mea. @ regegher /`ckae! sa`jb ke m`mj#t wajtto mo tkat5 tkat ke m`mj#t wajt to mo sogetk`jb `j as Kebas. 4e wajtem to bet out ajm mo sogetk`jb iortke wor!m.

5,M`m ke e%!a`j to ou wk ke m`mj#t wajt to mo as Kebas"

A,@ fust -- @ tk`jl tke `mea oi s`tt`jb `j as Kebas ajm mo`jb, ou ljow, i`ve ears `j a tkeater wasj#tattract`ve to k`g. Hut, ou ljow, @ moj#t tk`jl we rea!! bot `jto `t. @ tk`jl @ fust sort oi ljew wkat ke

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