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LETTER TO THE EDITOR In response to Antidepressants and lethal violence in the Netherlandsby D. Healy and T. Dehue Paul F. Bouvy & Marieke Liem Received: 20 May 2012 / Accepted: 28 May 2012 / Published online: 17 June 2012 # The Author(s) 2012. This article is published with open access at Springerlink.com In their letter, Healy and Dehue describe several issues that might cast doubt on the soundness and the conclusion of our study on antidepressants and lethal violence (Bouvy and Liem 2012). We are of the opinion that some of the issues brought forward are simply not about our study, some are only partially relevant and some are incorrect. It is quite surprising to read the statement that the Dutch television program Tros Radar (broadcast in November 2009) was broadcasted before the possible relation be- tween antidepressant consumption and aggression was widely discussed in the Dutch media, since Dehue wrote a large article on the subject in a leading national Dutch newspaper in June 2009 [Dehue T, van Grootheest K. Pil tegen depressie kan leiden tot moord (Drug against depres- sion can lead to murder) NRC, 20 June 2009]. The authorscomment on the falling numbers of young men in most Western populations, leading to lower rates of violence, may be true in general. In our study, however, men aged between 15 and 30 years were analysed as a separate group. In addition, we used ratios instead of absolute numbers. They further suggest that autopsy rates have declined since the early 1980s, and that this decline may play a role in the decline in the total number of suicides, but we fail to see how this can have affected the number of homicides. Our study shows a striking parallel in results for both suicide and homicide. Healy and Dehue are absolutely right in their statement that the associations shown in our study cannot be regarded as causal relations. One must be careful with interpreting these associations and the risk of ecological fallacycan never be ruled out in a single study. However, the way in which Healy and Dehue disqualify our study by referring to the debate in the 1960s on the risks of cigarette consumption is misleading. Suggestions linking antidepressants to suicide and homicide are based on case reports and datasets on reported adverse effects. Studies based on these datasets have their own methodological problems. The issue at stake here is whether these suggestions need confirmation from other lines of research. We believe they do. One of them is epidemiology. The claim that antidepressants can cause lethal violence would gain credibility if we had found a positive association instead of a negative one. In the case of cigarette smoking, in the end, the different lines of re- search pointed in the same direction (Talley et al. 2004). Our results on suicide are in line with previous research; our results on homicide are new and need replication in other populations. The future will show whether our study is an ecological fallacy or not. However, if other factors were to cause the associations we found, these other factors must have a much larger effect on suicide and homicide than the consumption of antidepressants. Open Access This article is distributed under the terms of the Crea- tive Commons Attribution License which permits any use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author(s) and the source are credited. References Bouvy P, Liem M (2012) Antidepressants and lethal violence in the Netherlands 19942008. Psychopharmacology. doi:10.1007/ s00213-012-2668-2 Talley C, Kushner HI, Sterk CE (2004) Lung cancer, chronic disease epidemiology, and medicine, 19481964. J Hist Med Allied Sci 59(3):329374 P. F. Bouvy (*) Department of Psychiatry, Erasmus Medical Centre, Postbus 2040, 3000 CA Rotterdam, The Netherlands e-mail: [email protected] M. Liem Institute of Criminal Law & Criminology, Faculty of Law, Leiden University, Postbus 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands Psychopharmacology (2012) 222:545 DOI 10.1007/s00213-012-2767-0

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LETTER TO THE EDITOR

In response to “Antidepressants and lethal violencein the Netherlands” by D. Healy and T. Dehue

Paul F. Bouvy & Marieke Liem

Received: 20 May 2012 /Accepted: 28 May 2012 /Published online: 17 June 2012

# The Author(s) 2012. This article is published with open access at Springerlink.com

In their letter, Healy and Dehue describe several issues thatmight cast doubt on the soundness and the conclusion of ourstudy on antidepressants and lethal violence (Bouvy andLiem 2012). We are of the opinion that some of the issuesbrought forward are simply not about our study, some areonly partially relevant and some are incorrect.

It is quite surprising to read the statement that the Dutchtelevision program Tros Radar (broadcast in November2009) was broadcasted “before the possible relation be-tween antidepressant consumption and aggression waswidely discussed in the Dutch media”, since Dehue wrotea large article on the subject in a leading national Dutchnewspaper in June 2009 [Dehue T, van Grootheest K. Piltegen depressie kan leiden tot moord (Drug against depres-sion can lead to murder) NRC, 20 June 2009].

The authors’ comment on the falling numbers of youngmen in most Western populations, leading to lower rates ofviolence, may be true in general. In our study, however, menaged between 15 and 30 years were analysed as a separategroup. In addition, we used ratios instead of absolute numbers.

They further suggest that autopsy rates have declinedsince the early 1980s, and that this decline may play a rolein the decline in the total number of suicides, but we fail tosee how this can have affected the number of homicides.Our study shows a striking parallel in results for both suicideand homicide.

Healy and Dehue are absolutely right in their statementthat the associations shown in our study cannot be regarded

as causal relations. One must be careful with interpretingthese associations and the risk of ‘ecological fallacy’ cannever be ruled out in a single study. However, the way inwhich Healy and Dehue disqualify our study by referring tothe debate in the 1960s on the risks of cigarette consumptionis misleading. Suggestions linking antidepressants to suicideand homicide are based on case reports and datasets onreported adverse effects. Studies based on these datasetshave their own methodological problems. The issue at stakehere is whether these suggestions need confirmation fromother lines of research. We believe they do. One of them isepidemiology. The claim that antidepressants can causelethal violence would gain credibility if we had found apositive association instead of a negative one. In the caseof cigarette smoking, in the end, the different lines of re-search pointed in the same direction (Talley et al. 2004).

Our results on suicide are in line with previous research;our results on homicide are new and need replication inother populations. The future will show whether our studyis an ecological fallacy or not. However, if other factorswere to cause the associations we found, these other factorsmust have a much larger effect on suicide and homicide thanthe consumption of antidepressants.

Open Access This article is distributed under the terms of the Crea-tive Commons Attribution License which permits any use, distribution,and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author(s) andthe source are credited.

References

Bouvy P, Liem M (2012) Antidepressants and lethal violence in theNetherlands 1994–2008. Psychopharmacology. doi:10.1007/s00213-012-2668-2

Talley C, Kushner HI, Sterk CE (2004) Lung cancer, chronic diseaseepidemiology, and medicine, 1948–1964. J Hist Med Allied Sci59(3):329–374

P. F. Bouvy (*)Department of Psychiatry, Erasmus Medical Centre,Postbus 2040, 3000 CA Rotterdam, The Netherlandse-mail: [email protected]

M. LiemInstitute of Criminal Law & Criminology, Faculty of Law,Leiden University,Postbus 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands

Psychopharmacology (2012) 222:545DOI 10.1007/s00213-012-2767-0