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* Active Worlds chat session: Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:28 PM *
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Immigration Officer: Welcome to world++, ommm
estroide: hi, is anyone alive in here?
ANGELIDAKIS: alive?
estroide: hi angelidakis
estroide: yeah, until now I've only met zombie avatars
ANGELIDAKIS: hi estroide
estroide: except yu
estroide: are you from this world?
ANGELIDAKIS: yes from this, whatever that means
estroide: I'm from the femtedim world in eduverse, feeling really inferior being atourist here
ANGELIDAKIS: I know the feeling
estroide: I'm a bit early anyway - for the 'party', so I guess I ought to feel odd
ANGELIDAKIS: when is the "party"
ANGELIDAKIS: dunno the time diff
ommm: hello miltos
knock: hello
estroide: party= Artist Miltos Manetas addresses the 3D avatar Forum
ANGELIDAKIS: yes I know
estroide: hi ommm, I was formerly known as skejs!!
ommm: is that you Miltos (knock)?
ommm: hello estoride (skejs)
knock: yes, ingognito..
estroide: I met mjson 'live' in copenhagen some time ago - great to see your fellowavatars in RL
ommm: oh, you finally met mjson!!
estroide: yeah, very nice guy
ommm: hope mjson will join us today
estroide: yes
ommm: estroide, remind me, are you now in sweden?
estroide: yes, I remeber you, i have been in denmark, copenhagen all the time,andstill am
ommm: oh, that's right! copenhagen
ANGELIDAKIS: who's from sweden?
ANGELIDAKIS: nope, but I will be in Stockholm on the 2rd-6th May, for alecture at the Architecture School
ommm: ANGELIDAKIS: do you want to introduce your real persona?
ANGELIDAKIS: umm its me
ommm: hehe
ANGELIDAKIS: no persona
orsino: Hello, I'm Robert Hamm at UC Santa Barbara--I work with the DigitalCultures Project.
ommm: clear persona, no filter?
ommm: welcome Robert to your first CyberForum!
ommm: ANGELIDAKIS: have you been to a forum before?
orsino: Thanks--I'm anxious to see what happens
ANGELIDAKIS: Omm: no, first time
ommm: hello Monad
Monad: Hi Ommm!
ommm: monad is Matthew Sloly?
manetas: Here I am
estroide: hi orsine, hi manetas
orsino: Welcome!
estroide: hi monad
ommm: hello miltos manetas (on a bike)
ommm: (to Monad) miltos in the lab?
estroide: who's hotep (my favoite avatar)?
ANGELIDAKIS: ahhh official manetas
manetas: Hello to everybody...
Monad: hI ESTROIDE
manetas: In the EO at LA, chinatown
ommm: what's the EO
manetas: The electronic orphanage
manetas: www.electronicorphanage.com
gaga: is that where Eddo works?
estroide: why don't we introduce ourselves, I'm a ph.d. scholar working withchildren building 3D world........ or maybe you all know each other..?
estroide: hi gaga - I know you from my former identity as skejs
ommm: skejs had a big influence on our forums last year
estroide: thanks (blushing)
gaga: ah, I was just writing about you yesterday!! nice to see you (once you'veloaded)
Monad: I am an artist/MFA student at Art Center. (see:www.interlog.com/~metalogo/)
gaga: hi!!!
Monad: Hi Gaga
estroide: I'm at www.psyk.ku.dk/estrid
gaga: yeah, if you want to tell me more about you I'd love to hear it. aren't you ineurope?
manetas: This is the first meeting in ++ history!!
gaga: this is Tobey Crockett as gaga
ommm: hey, welcome Tobey!
orsino: ++ history?
manetas: Virtual : )
orsino: thanks (blush)
Monad: World++
ANGELIDAKIS: architect, in the team of chelsea and world++www.angelidakis.com
ommm: Let's begin our first April CyberForum!!
ommm: what a bright beginning here in Miltos's world++
manetas: Today we have with us the other creator of CHELSEA, AndreasAngelidakis
manetas: And also, Francois Perrin. He will be here soon
ommm: great to have you here Andreas, where are you physically today?
estroide: bowing for angelidakis
ommm: this is a wonderful spot to enter 3D architecture!
ANGELIDAKIS: New York
ommm: but the signage is not clear, can you architects explain?
ANGELIDAKIS: it is in progress
ommm: to where is it progressing?
ANGELIDAKIS: perfection
estroide: lol
ANGELIDAKIS: ;)\
manetas: A double of the real World
estroide: double?
ommm: really? with traffic and pollution?
ANGELIDAKIS: a simulation of nothing
manetas: As you may all know, real world is just the part of the world that affectsus
manetas: we want to build that part in ++ and let out the rest
ommm: that is indeed a plus
manetas: Elite
ommm: the chosen parts
manetas: Open to everybody ( to watch)
estroide: the rest?
manetas: classic
manetas: the rest is not part of reality
ommm: do you plan to allow visitors to build?
manetas: Only selected visitors will build
estroide: the things that do not affect us?
Monad: There is a particular program to the building being permitted?
ommm: so do you hope people will return even though they cannot leave theirmark?
ommm: yup, mc
manetas: I am not so interested in communication
"McFly": this is jason
manetas: More on the "building" aspect
ANGELIDAKIS: sometimes a visit is a mark
ommm: so, Miltos, is this more of a broadcast world (one-way)?
estroide: My McFly, interesting you have a new name - I was skejs, great to seeyou again
ommm: angel: does the visit stay behind in some way?
ANGELIDAKIS: no
manetas: both way for selected.. the others can be visitors which is great..
estroide: Angel, can u tell what's the purpose of this world, or who is working on it,why?
ommm: oh, so the selected are the artists?
gaga: I notice that the avatars don't seem to have the gestures Is it me or just theway they are currently set up?
manetas: Not only.. Its open to everybody we really want to deal with
ANGELIDAKIS: working on it: Francois Perrin, Miltos Manetas and AndreasAngelidakis + guests
orsino: deal with in what sense?
ANGELIDAKIS: The purpose is to change the world
estroide: wow!
manetas: see them and talk with them and see their output
ommm: isn't it always changing already?
gaga: lol
estroide: we have ATTACK doing that in Europe
ommm: can you tell us more estroide about ATTACK?
Monad: The real world or art world . . . or both-as-one?
ANGELIDAKIS: well, maybe control is a better word
manetas: forget art world : that's just the excuse : ready made images you see...
gaga: wow! all so programmatic! Is this the tool influencing the content or what?
manetas: The idea is to build a little society
estroide: Briefly, ATTACK is a NGO trying to make a new political agenda -postmodern kind of politics,
manetas: programmatic : our times are programmatic: its fun..
ANGELIDAKIS: treat the world as NEW
ommm: billionaires for Bush?
estroide: I don't believe they are succeeding very well, but at least it is good havingformer left-wing believing in new ways of making politics, big thing in EU
manetas: ++ has very basic ideas...
gaga: as long as the programmers really understand what they are doing
manetas: Which are of course in perpetual change..
Monad: Postmodernism by definition, cannot be new. The new is Modern . . . no?
manetas: Please, let's avoid 20th century cliché..
ommm: can we go to New York or Milan or Tokyo from here?
orsino: a better way to phrase it?
gaga: let's go!
Monad: Post-postmodern?
estroide: right, I'm not in favor of that either, but like people trying new ways
estroide: let's go ... where?
francoisperrin: pretty crowded today
gaga: I don't know...i am listening to unreleased Jimi Hendrix while we speak...itsounds pretty fresh for being in the can 30 years
ommm: this entry has a very beautiful look as an entry space....
gaga: yes it does...who made it?
ommm: each quadrant pulls us out further
ommm: can we go down any of these tunnels? or is it an illusion?
estroide: let's rock LA?
Monad: Yes it is nice . . . makes me want to fan out in all directions at once.
Monad: Wish I could.
ommm: the birdie avatar wants to fly through
ommm: i see francois has had a hand in this entry way
orsino: I just realized, everyone is floating!?!
ommm: this is a floating world!!
ommm: what can we click on today?
manetas: We are all building under francois this moment
francoisperrin: hi miltos and andreas
ANGELIDAKIS: hi francois
francoisperrin: it is the big crowd today
Monad: No grass?
manetas: Hello Francois
gaga: that must make us the Flowers, if this is the Floating world...
Totoro: This birdie imagines the space looks great....but with only 8 megs ofvideoram, it does not.
francoisperrin: what is the talk about? need some help
estroide: Angel, the moving squares are very dominating - is that a part of changingthe world, how?
ANGELIDAKIS: yes
gaga: do you see this placards with all these cutting edge galleries listed plus artmags? Do you know what that means?
francoisperrin: it is really dangerous those days to come up with new concepts inActiveworlds
gaga: AW about to get chic!
estroide: dangerous?
gaga: how so?
francoisperrin: i would like to tell you, but you could be sued by some angryarchitects !!!
estroide: come on!!
ommm: do you plan to have art publications in world++?
gaga: is this an intellectual property issue all of a sudden?
manetas: I hate intellectual property
francoisperrin: in fact you will find all the info about custom building in the awwebsite
manetas: everything digital belongs to all
"McFly": i agree
"McFly": including mp3
francoisperrin: for sure, only some people think they own activeworlds
orsino: always back to audio?
manetas: also all images
gaga: you mean you have a management problem or a collaborator problem?
manetas: images are free because they can be seen
francoisperrin: i agreed to do some public talk about new buildings in aw
Monad: That may be so, but there are still moral rights that must be respected, suchas the right to identity.
orsino: so is music free because it can be heard?
ommm: launch forth, francois, we are all ears!
manetas: identity is what survives on time : no way to protect it
orsino: is consumption, the ability to be consumed, the issue?
francoisperrin: what do you want to know, are you familiar with aw building
ANGELIDAKIS: what about authorship?
manetas: music is also free
gaga: I am sure that some of us are familiar with authoring FP
orsino: what makes music free?
"McFly": what's that?
Monad: No right is absolute in as far as all rights rely on others upholding them.
gaga: what do you want to tell us?
manetas: it can be heard and copied
"McFly": and shared
manetas: everything that can be copied is free by definition'
estroide: HEYYYY I want to hear about this world, Angel, please tell...
"McFly": dimmagio is a classic example of abusing shrouded identity
ANGELIDAKIS: estroide, I just designed the lobby, not the rest of the world.That was done by Francois Perrin
estroide: great lobby, what made you built it this way, angel?
"McFly": why, out of all the colors did you choose black?
gaga: yes, what is a seven sided structure called again?
gaga: prime number on purpose?
ommm: let's all go down one of the blue corridors together...which one?
ANGELIDAKIS: estroide: what do you mean?
Monad: Art is for everyone, as is power, and responsibility.
Monad: It is a circle.
Monad: who me?
gaga: this one has all these signs....will these be links ?
manetas: Only LA is active. Click on LA
ommm: ok, let's go down LA!
mjson: ok
"McFly": yes
ommm: am i on a freeway?
estroide: I mean, you could have designed this lobby in 1000 of ways, what made umake it like this, what were your associations? Your inspiration?
ommm: i see exit signs....;-)
estroide: lets go LA
gaga: I really like the white rectangles
orsino: the signs are great
gaga: which become signs in the right place for reading...
manetas: Only Chinatown is active : )
"McFly": what do you mean by active? that we can go in?
ommm: let's go to Chinatown!
gaga: hey groovy i clicked on chinatown and now I am elsewhere!
manetas: Join me
gaga: beautiful cube in the sky!!!!!
ommm: cool!
ANGELIDAKIS: estroide: just trying to visualize teleporting I guess. The rotatingtunnels are "links to come". LA is the active one at the moment
manetas: Our idea is to keep the connotations of the real space
"McFly": how do u get into Chinatown?
manetas: Make neighborhoods based on the art neighborhoods
estroide: ok, angel, thanks
"McFly": just double click?
gaga: this is gorgeous this thing...who made it?
ommm: hello mjson
manetas: keep the map of the real locations
mjson: it's just like riding on harbor freeway, suddenly you're in Chinatown
manetas: and give them their spaces for free
mjson: hi ommm!
manetas: then, build studios and offices on the air..
gaga: this is really cool
"SUMITAGARWAL": Is there anyone from ACCD around
"SUMITAGARWAL": someone who could guide me towards the online forum??
"McFly": yep..i am accd
gaga: join me
"SUMITAGARWAL": hi Mc Fly
ommm: let's join gaga
"McFly": hi
"SUMITAGARWAL": I'm from SCIarc
"SUMITAGARWAL": Ireceived an email from M Heim..... about an online forum..
ommm: welcome from SCIarc!
gaga: look inwards
"SUMITAGARWAL": hi mike
ommm: (to "SUMITAGARWAL") glad you could make it
"SUMITAGARWAL": this is Sumit Agarwal
gaga: Monad, so is this an image from GZ?
mjson: cool
"McFly": welcome
Monad: Yes
gaga: nice echo-location baby
ANGELIDAKIS: sciarc nice
estroide: heeeelp I'm lost someone tell me how to get to chinatown?
Monad: I have my webcam pointed at the screen, so you see some of what Ido.with some lag.
mjson: very esoteric
gaga: yet it loads all right which has been a challenge to others in the past
gaga: looking straight up thru the structure is nice too
Monad: Tom Mancuso was the first artist to use Video in AW that I know of.
"McFly": there are some people who still have trouble getting intochinatown..please tell us what to do
Monad: Just the cube.
francoisperrin: click on electronic orphanage
gaga: yeah, as far as i know, but it was not so easy
Monad: It too references the real, but can exist nowhere but here . . . wherever"here" is.
ommm: so, Monad, your webcam is pointed at your screen now that shows theCube in Chinatown in world++???
gaga: is monad Matthew Sloly?
Monad: Ah . . . I have to think about that.
ommm: Monad is 3d artist Matthew Denis Richard Sloly, the Cube guy
estroide: ok, I'm here, I just didn't reckon this was china town, someone please tellme what is 'Chinatown' about this?
Monad: It is also showing my screen.
ommm: okay, what is Chinatown about this, anyone?
Monad: ?
gaga: yeah, i was thinking to myself that this was too too similar to Matt's work notto BE matt!
ommm: Chinese boxes?
manetas: Chinatown is just the location in LA where all these new galleries are..
estroide: lol ommm
Monad: Well, art is shown there . . . here . . .
ommm: oh, yes, i see
manetas: Its a little road called Chung King Road
estroide: challenging (politely): how does this change the world?
estroide: ok, maybe stupid question, it _is_ interesting art!!
manetas: It doesn't need to have anything chinese...
Monad: I am in my studio at Del Mar in Pasadena
Monad: I am making the work, live.
ANGELIDAKIS: where in ++ is your webcam though?
ommm: i can see avatars in the texture, but the texture is semi- transparent
gaga: isn't it manetas on the ski bike? You make a great repeated shape
Monad: yes.
Monad: Miltos invited me to make this work here.
ANGELIDAKIS: wow its beautiful
ommm: so world++ is becoming an art gallery
Monad: I think it is great that he is making this space available to native digital art,as this is so often never done.
ommm: yes, the work is created in and for the 3D world
ommm: not transplanted into the 3D world
gaga: I am on the ground looking up and you can see the screen image nicely fromhere...still distorted but recognizable
ommm: yes, this is a great view. Come down and join gaga
ommm: and then look up by using PgUp key
Monad: In as far as you see the analogue artifacts of my physical screen . . . as site.
orsino: who crushed me?
gaga: I am going into this building over there so join ommm instead for the view
Monad: but the where of here is not resolvable.
ommm: "the where of here is not resolvable"
Monad: That is the question I am asking
ommm: good title for an art work
francoisperrin: nice work monad
Monad: Urbanism is not something I have been thinking about . . .
Monad: Could you elaborate?
gaga: so there are also images in these buildings down here manetas
francoisperrin: we should have meet, i was doing studio visit in del mar indecember
gaga: these are galleries with lnks and 'offerings' that are current shows?
manetas: yES
Monad: Next time your in LA . . or here.
gaga: like the MOCA show and some NYC/LA galleries
francoisperrin: i am still in la, i will do other visit next quarter
gaga: what was their reception at first to your proposal to show here?
Monad: Sure!
francoisperrin: you can check some spaces i am designing at world : clima
Monad: I will.
Monad: Have we missed the train? Where is everyone now?
gaga: this transparent pink mountain range is nice
"SUMITAGARWAL": hi this is Christophe in sumits form
gaga: like a scrim into a black box
ommm: our CyberForum #1 in April is coming to a close
manetas: iF YOU ALL JOIN ME HERE, THERE IS A BEAUTIFULROLLING SCULPTURE BY aNGELIDAKIS
gaga: it says it belongs to francois
Monad: Yes it is!
ommm: let's join Manetas
francoisperrin: don't trust the names!!
manetas: iSN'T IT FANTASTIC ?
gaga: yeah i know how that goes... ; - )
ommm: looks good looking out from inside
manetas: iTS SUCH A aw MONUMENT !
ommm: you are all floating particles
"SCIarc": so are U
manetas: aNDREAS LOVES FLOATING
ommm: motes of dust in the light, in the phosphorescent light
"McFly": is this how heaven's gonna look?
manetas: yES !
gaga: like a slice of lime jello
mjson: this conveys concreteness, thought I would hurt my head walking into it
ANGELIDAKIS: this is supposed to be the seed for New York
gaga: ah so mjson was psychic! concrete for the concrete!
orsino: are the walls of the structure permeable?
"SCIarc": Seed for new York....
"McFly": i truly feel like i am part of the vast space of universe
orsino: that's permeable?
mjson: where is new york
manetas: aw is the only place where I really enjoy a large number of people..
"McFly": why don't we all move at the same time?
mjson: me too, because i can mute them here :) (just kidding)
"McFly": it will look cool
Monad: Fun
ommm: so, Miltos, maybe we should return here in 3 months to see
ommm: what you have done with NY, Milan, Tokyo, etcetera...
"SUMITAGARWAL": is there any feedback between the physical urban spaceand the virtual?
ommm: do you have a timeframe?
manetas: check it out...
manetas: ASAP is the time frame
ommm: haha
ommm: we have had a fun forum here today, seeing new things
ommm: and hearing your dreams
ommm: thank you so much, builders of world++ for
ommm: sharing your visions with the CyberForum@ArtCenter
gaga: applause for the forum
gaga: applause for all the efforts and hard work
ommm: next week Wednesday we meet again
mjson: *clapping*
"SCIarc": Thanks Mike
Monad: Yes . . thanks Miltos.
manetas: thank you
ommm: see you there
orsino: thanks to all!
"SUMITAGARWAL": out
ommm: and yes, thank you all, old friends and new
Monad: Thanks Mike!
manetas: see you all in EO: www.electronicorphanage.com
ommm: for joining us today in the virtual world
"McFly": i will see you all next wednesday for the 2nd forum
ANGELIDAKIS: thank you indeed
gaga: yay!!!
manetas: check the updates
gaga: we will! such a great beginning!
"McFly": sure
gaga: bye y'all...
francoisperrin: if anyone interested helping us talk to miltos
"McFly": bye
ommm: bye all!!
ommm: see you next week!!