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IEEE P802.3an Task Force IEEE P802.3an Task Force (10GBASE(10GBASE--T)T)
Agenda and General InformationAgenda and General Information
San Antonio, TXNovember 16-18, 2004
Brad Booth, Task Force Chair
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 2
Please Put Cell Phones on Stun!!Please Put Cell Phones on Stun!!
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 3
AgendaAgenda• Welcome• Recording Secretary:• Introductions• Approval of the Minutes• Goals for this Meeting• Reflector and Web• Ground Rules• IEEE
– Structure– Bylaws and Rules– Call for Patents– IEEE Standards Process
• Reports• Comment Resolution & Presentations• Future Meetings• Motion Madness
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 4
Goals for this MeetingGoals for this Meeting
• Review of comments on Draft D1.1– Hear presentations related to comments
• Time permitting: Uncommented presentations
• Adopt technical proposals to fill holes
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 5
Reflector and WebReflector and Web• To subscribe to any of the 10GBASE-T reflectors send an
email to: [email protected]
with the following in the body of the message: subscribe stds-802-3-10GBT <your name>endsubscribe stds-802-3-10GBT-Modeling <your name>endsubscribe stds-802-3-10GBT-Cabling <your name>end
for example:subscribe stds-802-3-10GBT Brad Boothend
• P802.3an Task Force web page URL:http://www.ieee802.org/3/an/
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 6
Private AreaPrivate Area• URL:
– www.ieee802.org/3/an/private/
• Access– Userid: 802.3an– Password: ********
• Write it down!!
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 7
Ground RulesGround Rules• 802.3 Rules apply
– Foundation based upon Robert’s Rules of Order• Anyone in the room may speak• Anyone in the room may vote• RESPECT… give it, get it• NO product pitches• NO corporate pitches• NO prices!!!
– This includes costs, ASPs, etc. no matter what the currency
• NO restrictive notices
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 8
IEEE StructureIEEE StructureIEEEIEEE
IEEE-SAStandards Association
IEEE-SAStandards Association
Standards BoardStandards Board IEEE 802Sponsor Group
IEEE 802Sponsor Group
NesComNew Stds. Committee
NesComNew Stds. Committee
RevComReview Committee
RevComReview Committee
IEEE 802.3Working Group
IEEE 802.3Working Group
IEEE P802.3anTask Force
IEEE P802.3anTask Force
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 9
Bylaws and RulesBylaws and Rules• Bylaws of the IEEE Standards Association (IEEE-
SA):http://standards.ieee.org/sa/sa-bylaws.pdf
• Bylaws of the IEEE-SA Standards Board:http://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sb-bylaws.pdf
• IEEE LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operating Rules:
http://www.ieee802.org/rules.pdf
• IEEE 802.3 Working Group Operating Rules:http://www.ieee802.org/3/rules/
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 10
6. Patents
IEEE standards may include the known use of essential patents and patent applications provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents whose infringement is, or in the case of patent applications, potential future infringement the applicant asserts will be, unavoidable in a compliant implementation of either mandatory or optional portions of the standard [essential patents]. This assurance shall be provided without coercion and prior to approval of the standard (or reaffirmation when a patent or patent application becomes known after initial approval of the standard). This assurance shall be a letter that is in the form of either:
a) A general disclaimer to the effect that the patentee will not enforce any of its present or future patent(s) whose use would be required to implement either mandatory or optional portions of the proposed IEEE standard against any person or entity complying with the standard; or
b) A statement that a license for such implementation will be made available without compensation or under reasonable rates, with reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free of any unfair discrimination.
This assurance shall apply, at a minimum, from the date of the standard's approval to the date of the standard's withdrawal and is irrevocable during that period.
IEEEIEEE--SA Standards Board BylawsSA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standardson Patents in Standards
Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – March 2003 (Revised February 2004)
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 11
Inappropriate Topics for IEEE WG MeetingsInappropriate Topics for IEEE WG Meetings
• Don’t discuss licensing terms or conditions
• Don’t discuss product pricing, territorial restrictions or market share
• Don’t discuss ongoing litigation or threatened litigation
• Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object.
If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at [email protected] or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html
Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – March 2003 (Revised February 2004
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 12
IEEE Standards ProcessIEEE Standards ProcessIdea
Call forInterest
802.3FormSG
RIP
802SEC Form
SG
Study GroupMeetings
802.3Approve
No
Yes
RIP
RIP 802 SECApprove
NesComApprove
STBApprove
ApprovedPAR
RIP
RIP
RIP
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
YesNo
No
No
No
No
PAR 5 Criteria
Objectives
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IEEE Standards Process (cont.)IEEE Standards Process (cont.)
Task ForceMeetings
ProposalsSelected
To802.3 WG
Ballot
Task ForceReview
TFReviewDone
Yes
Yes
Objectives
ApprovedPAR
No
D1.0
D1.(n+1)
No
No
Yes
A
D2.0
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 14
IEEE Standards Process (cont.)IEEE Standards Process (cont.)
802.3 WGBallot
> 75 %
SECForward to
LMSC
802.3Forward to
LMSC
No
RIP
Yes
Yes
D3.0
No
A
A
Comments
Yes
No
D2.(n+1)
Yes
B
A
No
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 15
IEEE Standards Process (cont.)IEEE Standards Process (cont.)
LMSCSponsor
Ballot
> 75 %
SECForward toRevCom
802.3Forward toRevCom
No
RIPYes
Yes
D3.n
No
B
B
Comments
Yes
No
D3.(n+1)
Yes
B
No
RevComReview
STBApproval
RevComApproval
Yes
No
Yes
B
NoRIP
Std
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 16
P802.3an ObjectivesP802.3an Objectives• Preserve the 802.3/Ethernet frame format at the MAC Client
service interface• Preserve min. and max. frame size of current 802.3 Std.• Support full duplex operation only• Support star-wired local area networks using point-to-point
links and structured cabling topologies• Support a speed of 10.000 Gb/s at the MAC/PLS service
interface• Select copper media from ISO/IEC 11801:2002, with any
appropriate augmentation to be developed through work of 802.3 in conjunction with SC25/WG3
• Support Clause 28 auto-negotiation• Support coexistence with 802.3af• To not support 802.3ah (EFM) OAM unidirectional operation• Meet CISPR/FCC Class A
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 17
P802.3an Objectives (cont.)P802.3an Objectives (cont.)• Support operation over 4-connector structured 4-pair,
twisted-pair copper cabling for all supported distances and Classes
• Define a single 10 Gb/s PHY that would support links of:– At least 100 m on four-pair Class F balanced copper cabling– At least 55 m to 100 m on four-pair Class E balanced copper
cabling• Support a BER of 10^-12 on all supported distances and
Classes
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 18
P802.3an TimelineP802.3an Timeline
JULJUL NOVNOV MARMAR20042004
JULJUL NOVNOV MARMAR20052005
JULJUL NOVNOV MARMAR20062006
JULJUL
TutorialTutorial& CFI& CFI
802 SEC 802 SEC
NesComNesCom
D1.0D1.0
802.3 WG802.3 WGBallotBallot
D2.0D2.0
RevComRevCom
Std!Std!
LMSCLMSCSponsorSponsor
BallotBallot
NOVNOV20022002
MARMAR20032003
PARPARTaskTaskForceForcereviewreview
D3.0D3.0
Tech
nica
lM
anag
emen
t
FirstFirstTechnicalTechnical
PresentationPresentation BaselineProposalSelected
LastFeature
LastTech.
Change
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P802.3an Timeline MagnifiedP802.3an Timeline Magnified
NOVNOV DECDEC JANJAN20052005
FEBFEB MARMAR APRAPR MAYMAY JUNJUN JULJUL AUGAUG
Final Final Additions Additions to TF Draftto TF Draft
D1.0D1.0 D2.0D2.0
SEPSEP20042004
OCTOCT
Approval Approval for WG for WG BallotBallot
D1.1D1.1 D1.2D1.2 D1.3D1.3 D2.1D2.1 D2.2D2.2
D1.4D1.4 D1.5D1.5 D2.0D2.0
Interim Meeting Plenary Meeting
Final Final Additions Additions to TF Draftto TF Draft
Approval Approval for WG for WG BallotBallot
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 20
ReportsReports• Liaison from ISO/IEC JTC 1 / SG 25 / WG 3
– No liaison letter from WG 3
• Liaison from TIA TR42– Presentation from Val Rybinski
• Editor’s report
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 21
Comment Resolution/PresentationsComment Resolution/Presentations• Updates on 10GBase-T Magnetics; Thuyen Dinh• Startup protocol for 10GBASE-T; Katsutoshi Seki• Notes on a posteriori probability (APP) metrics for LDPC;
Raju Hormis• PAM12 LDPC-CRC Framing; Dariush Dabiri, Brett McClellan• 800 Ms/s PHY for 10GBASE-T: Coding, Framing, Mapping;
Sailesh Rao• PAM2 Training Frame Alignment Proposal; Brett McClellan• On Loop Timing and 10GBASE-T; Scott Powell• 10GBASE-T Modulation & Coding, Set of Fixed Precoders,
and Start-up; Gottfried Ungerboeck• Method of Transmitter Characterization for 800Mbaud
PAM12 System; Hiroshi Takatori• System SNR vs Pre-Coder Choise; Albert Vareljian• 10GBASE-T Tx PSD Mask Proposal; Chris Pagnanelli• Performance of N=4 THPs with Power Backoff; Glenn Golden
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 22
Future MeetingsFuture Meetings
• January 2005 Interim:– Week of the 24th
– Vancouver, BC– Hyatt Regency– Host: IEEE 802
• March 2004 Plenary:– Week of the 14th– Atlanta, GA
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 24
TX Spec.TX Spec.• Move to maintain time domain transmitter pulse
specifications in the draft.• M: G. Zimmerman• S: G. Eisler• Technical (>=75%)• TF: Y: 10 N: 15 A: 19• 802.3: Y: 4 N: 12 A: 12• FAILS
• Time domain transmitter pulse specifications will be removed from the draft.
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 25
Motion: Transmit Power LevelsMotion: Transmit Power Levels• 10GBASE-T adopt:
– 8 TX Power levels: PTmax, PTmax-2dB, PTmax-4dB, PTmax -6dB, PTmax -8dB, PTmax -10dB, PTmax -12dB, PTmax -14dB. With method of selection to be specified.
– Moved by: Scott Powell– Seconded by: Jose Tellado– Technical (>=75%)
• Task Force Members: Y: 40 N: 0 A: 9• PASSES
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 26
Motion: StartMotion: Start--upup• 10GBASE-T adopt:
– Master and Slave training sequences based on polynomials presented in seki_2_0904.pdf. Finite segments thereof cyclically repeated, frame length tbd.
– Random seeds for Master and Slave training sequences determined during auto-negotiation
– The training sequences sent over the 4 pairs represent shifts of the base sequences generated by the above polynomial, as in clause 40 andseki_2_0904.pdf.
– The training sequence for pair A will every 256th bit flipped aligned with the PHY framing
– Info fields exchanged periodically during start-up to determine power levels and THP coefficient settings, communicate decision SNR, receiver status, and signal transition to data mode.
• Moved by: Katsutoshi Seki• Seconded by: Gottfried Ungerboeck• Technical (>=75%)• Task Force Members: Y: 38 N: 0 A: 6• PASSES
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 27
Motion: Motion: BrickwallBrickwall• Move that the Task Force adopt a brickwall exclusion mask
in the TX PSD mask from 1 MHz to 330 MHz at -82 dBm (4 dB below) without power backoff.
• M: A. Vareljian• S: H. Scull• Technical (>=75%)• TF: Y: N: A:• 802.3:• PASSES/FAILS• Motion to postpone until the next meeting.• M: G. Zimmerman• S: T. Cobb• Procedural (>50%)• TF: Y: 27 N: 3 A: 17• Postponed
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 28
Motion:Motion:• Move that the TF adopt the Measure Setup (slide
2) of takatori_1_1104.pdf as the baseline for transmitter characterization.
• M: A. Vareljian• S: H. Scull• Technical (>=75%)• TF: Y: 5 N: 16 A: 21• FAILS
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 29
Motion: Augmented ObjectiveMotion: Augmented Objective• Move to remove the separate objective for 100 m
augmented Cat 6 approved at the September 2004 interim meeting since it is now incorporated in the present objectives.
• M: T. Cobb• S: A. Flatman• Technical (>=75%)• TF: Y: N: A: • PASSES/FAILS• Hostile amendment in blue. • M: L. Adriaenssens S: T. Cobb• TF: Y: 17 N: 10 A: 17 Technical (>=75%) FAILS
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 30
Motion: Augmented ObjectiveMotion: Augmented Objective• Original motion:• Move to remove the separate objective for 100 m
augmented Cat 6 approved at the September 2004 interim meeting.
• M: T. Cobb• S: A. Flatman• Technical (>=75%)• TF: Y: 26 N: 0 A: 19• PASSES
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 31
TIA Liaison Letter MotionTIA Liaison Letter Motion• Move that the Task Force approve and forward
the tia_1_1104 liaison letter to 802.3.
• M: H. Barrass• S: A. Flatman• Procedural (>50%)• TF Voters: Y: by voice N: A: • PASSES
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 32
ISO/IEC Liaison Letter MotionISO/IEC Liaison Letter Motion• Move that the Task Force approve and forward
the iso_1_1104 liaison letter to 802.3.
• M: H. Barrass• S: V. Rybinski• Procedural (>50%)• TF Voters: Y: by voice N: A: • PASSES
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 33
D1.2D1.2• Move that the Editor generate draft D1.2 for Task
Force review.
• M: J. Tellado• S: A. Flatman• Procedural (>50%)• TF: Y: by voice N: A:• PASSES
November 2004 IEEE P802.3an Task Force 34
AdjournAdjourn• Move to adjourn.• M: H. Barrass• S: J. Tellado• TF: Y: by voice N: A:• PASSES