How the Irish Became White. Paul Ryan's Ugly Public Embrace of Anti-Black Racism & Eugenics

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How the Irish Became White? Paul Ryan's Ugly Public Embrace of Anti-

Blac Racism ! Eugenics

By "hauncey #e$ega

Friday Mar 14, 2014·3:10 PM EDT

Paul Ryan is the leader of the Repuli!an Party"s #intelle!tual$ %in&' (e has een des!ried y

the ne%s )edia in fa%nin& ter)s as a #poli!y %on*$, a #nu)ers &uy$, and a #serious

thin*er$'

+onseuently, Ryan-s re!ent !lai) that .inner !ity. la!* )en are la/y and hae no %or* ethi!is a reealin& insi&ht into the !urrent state of )oe)ent !onseratis) and the for)er-s

supposed intelle!tual &ifts'

There is no &enius in Paul Ryan-s !lai)s: his ar&u)ents aout la/y la!* people are a

oilerplate post!iil Ri&hts era Repuli!an tal*in& point'

To adan!e this !lai), he leera&ed +harles Murray-s dis!redited resear!h on the relationship

et%een '' and ra!e' Ryan-s intelle!tual slippa&e is not a ne% hait' n his antipoerty to)e,

%hi!h purports and fails5 to dis!redit President 6ohnson-s 7reat 8o!iety era pro&ra)s, Paul

Ryan )isrepresented and distorted resear!h findin&s'

(e is intelle!tually dishonest 9 Ryan-s !lai) to e a serious thin*er on )atters of puli! poli!y

is a !heap, and not ery !onin!in&, parlor tri!*'

t is also a perfe!t fit for the postfa!t unierse and antiintelle!tualis) of the present day

)eri!an !onseratie )oe)ent' Paul Ryan-s re!ent oseration aout the la/iness of la!*

people is also proidin& an additional lesson in ho% the Repuli!an Party has no% fully

)er&ed !onseratis) and .sy)oli! ra!is).'

Moreoer, in a )o)ent %hen Repuli!ans hae su&&ested that la!* and ro%n people"s!hildren should e!o)e ;anitors to learn a #%or* ethi!$, that <a)a uys la!* people"s otes

%ith food sta)ps, and that #real )eri!ans$, i'e' %hite people, are losin& #their !ountry$ to

non%hites, Ryan"s ar&u)ent is a rather flat !hannelin& of the 8outhern 8trate&y and Rea&an"s

opines aout #strappin& la!* u!*s$ and .%elfare ueens. liin& in lu=ury as they lee!h off of

%hite people'

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There is an u&ly hypo!risy at the heart of Paul Ryan"s efforts to !hastise fri!an)eri!ans a

&roup of people %ho uite literally uilt the >nited 8tates and hae neer re!eied

!o)pensation or reparations5 for hain& #ad !ulture$ and perhaps een defe!tie &enes'

Paul Ryan is an rish)eri!an' The sa)e ar&u)ents that Ryan is )a*in& aout the #ad

!ulture$ of fri!an)eri!ans, and their supposed #la/iness$ and #idleness$, %ere )ade

a&ainst his rish an!estors y eu&eni!ists and ra!e s!ientists in the >nited 8tates and Europe'

+harles Murray"s intelle!tual forefathers had little to no use for the rish' s su!h, they spent a

&reat deal of ti)e and ener&y tryin& to fi&ure out ;ust %hat type of #%hite people$ the rish

%ere, and ho% they fit into the fa)ily and hierar!hy of %hiteness'

Those %ho are !onsidered #%hite$ in the 21st !entury )ay not hae een part of that ra!ial

&roup durin& an earlier part of )eri!an history' 6e%s, 8las, Poles, r)enians, as %ell as

Eastern and 8outhern Europeans )ore &enerally, %ere not !onsidered #real$ %hite people ythe !onsensus s!ientifi! authority of the 1?th and early to )id 20th !enturies'

The so!iolo&i!al eiden!e is ri!h: politi!al !artoons durin& the 1?th !entury uestioned ho%

and if the rish %ere fit for )eri!an de)o!ra!y y depi!tin& the) as apes, and !o)parin&

the) %ith si)ilarly !ari!atured and stereotyped i)a&es of fri!an)eri!ans' The uestion of

#ho%$ and #if$ the rish %ere suitale for )eri!an de)o!ra!y also e)phasi/ed their +atholi!

reli&ion, and !ast dout on if #papists$ %ere !apale of ein& proper and loyal !iti/ens'

Een as late as the early de!ades of the 20th !entury, leadin& )eri!an eu&eni!ists and ra!e

s!ientists su!h as Madison 7rant@author of the infa)ous tra!t The Passin& of the 7reat Ra!e

@%ere unsure of the relationship et%een the rish and .%hite !iili/ation.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=6nOS3FGidTcC&q=irish#v=snippet&q=madison%20grant&f=false

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Ay the 1?20s, so)e eu&eni!ists see)ed ready to ad)it the rish or .+elts. to a ra!ial status

!loser to n&lo8a=ons' Aut not all' n the Passin& of the 7reat Ra!e, a hi&hly read and

influential atta!* on .ra!e )on&reli/ation. the eu&eni!ist Madison 7rant %affled aout %here

the rish stood'

7rant osered that a physi!al !han&e had o!!urred a)on& the rish in )eri!a' The

.Beanderthal physi!al !hara!teristi!s of the natie rishthe &reat upper lip, rid&eless nose,

eetlin& ro% %ith lo% &ro%in& hair, and %ild and saa&e aspe!t:had lar&ely disappeared'

The rish ape)an of Bast-s !artoons had eoled a )ore hu)an for)' Cet, %ith the rish, in

7rant-s ie%, loo*s !ould e de!eiin&' hen it !a)e to intelle!tual and )oral traits, .the

)ental and !ultural traits of the aori&ines hae proed to e e=!eedin&ly persistent and appear

in the unstale te)pera)ent and the la!* of !oordinatin& and reasonin& po%er, so often found

a)on& the rish'.

Ra!e is a so!ial !onstru!t' ts oundaries !han&e a!!ordin& to the so!ial and politi!al uestions

of a &ien )o)ent' Ra!e is a fi!tion9 ra!e is also real in ter)s of ho% it ounds and influen!es

a person"s life !han!es y irtue of ho% so!iety lo!ates the) oth %ithin and relatie to a

&ien &roup'

(istorians Boel &natie and Daid Roedi&er e=plore this pro!ess and detail ho% the rish in

)eri!a earned their %hiteness in the se)inal te=ts (o% the rish Ae!a)e hite and The

a&es of hiteness' Most re!ently, Bell rin Painter"s (istory of hite People offered up a

eautiful synthesis of the )any %ays that %hiteness %as )anufa!tured and understood fro)

antiuity to the present in the est'

The !enturieslon& story of rish assi)ilation fro) a &roup ;ud&ed to e elo% or perhaps

so)e%hat eual to fri!an)eri!ans in their supposed la!* of intelli&en!e, and propensity

for iolen!e, se=ual i)pulsieness, and unfitness for #%hite$ !iili/ation, to no% ein& fully

#%hite$, and %here Paul Ryan !an easily !hannel ra!e s!ien!e and eu&eni!s, is a testa)ent to

the )alleaility of ra!e and the endurin& po%er of hite 8upre)a!y'

hiteness is an e=pansie and !han&in& !ate&ory: this is one of the pri)ary lessons tau&ht y

the !olorline in the >nited 8tates' e )ust also not oerloo* ho% the path to full %hiteness is

)ade easier y oth hatin& and resentin& fri!an)eri!ans'

To point' The Repuli!an Party"s outrea!h to %hite ethni!s in the after)ath of the +iil Ri&hts

)oe)ent leera&ed su!h senti)ents as it uilt a ne% !oalition of #%or*in& !lass$ %hite

De)o!rats and soon to e Repuli!ans'



n all, Paul Ryan, li*e )any other Repuli!ans, has deployed ra!ial do& %histle politi!s and

sy)oli! ra!is) to slur the %or* ethi! and !hara!ter of la!* people in order to )oili/e their

%hite, ra!ially resentful, otin& ase'

<f !ourse, the Repuli!an Party and its neolieral allies are silent on ho% the ery e!ono)i!

poli!ies they hae ado!ated and adan!ed sin!e the 1?0s are in )any %ays responsile for

the stru!tural and institutional ineuality that has !reated the #;oless &hetto$'

Those sa)e poli!ies hae suppressed %a&es, &enerated ahorrent leels of %ealth and in!o)e

ineuality, destroyed the )eri!an )iddle !lass, and !reated stru!tural une)ploy)ent su!h

that there are )ore ;o see*ers than aailale positions'

Paul Ryan"s yn Randian drea)s and t%isted understandin& of +atholi! so!ial ;usti!e hae

resulted in hi) ein& the )etaphori!al do!tor %ho is )a*in& the patient si!* %hile

si)ultaneously la)in& said patient for not &ettin& etter fast enou&h'

This is a !ruel ;o*e' The pun!h line is the sufferin& of the )eri!an people'

Paul Ryan"s ra!is) and e&o hae enaled hi) to %illfully )isrepresent the resear!h %hi!h

details ho% the deni/ens of inner !ity and poor la!* and ro%n !o))unities are desperate for

;o opportunities'

<f !ourse, Paul Ryan"s #ad !ulture$ and #la/y$ la!* people thesis is )ute on the uestion of

%hite poerty, %hite #ad !ulture$, and %hite fol*s" dependen!e on the federal &oern)ent'

hites !onstitute the lar&est &roup of poor people in the >nited 8tates' hite people also

re!eie a disproportionate a)ount of federal assistan!e' nd Red 8tate )eri!a re!eies )u!h

)ore in federal )oney than any other part of the >nited 8tates'

ere Paul Ryan intelle!tually honest, he %ould refra)e his tal*in& points and fau=!on!ern

aout the la!*, #inner !ity$ poor, to in!lude %hite poerty' %onder, ho% %ould Repuli!an

oters respond if Paul Ryan told the) that they %ere poor and une)ployed e!ause of their

la/iness and ad !ulture

+harles Murray oi!ed his !on!ern aout the !ultural patholo&ies and de!linin& fortunes of

poor and %or*in& !lass %hite )eri!ans in his oo* +o)in& part'

Paul Ryan e)ra!es the dis!redited '' ra!e s!ien!e eu&eni!ist ar&u)ents of Murray"s oo*

The Aell +ure in order to slur and dispara&e fri!an)eri!ans' ould Paul Ryan eer dare

to find puli! inspiration in +harles Murray"s resear!h aout the !ultural patholo&ies and

failin&s of %hite people in Red 8tate )eri!a

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/10/paul-ryan-poverty-plan-race-income-inequality

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Mar 14 · 0?:4:4? PM

Ryan1 Hannity1 %'Reilley an0 others

(ae turned their a!*s on their o%n herita&e, and are proaly totally una%are of it' !an

neer &et used to that'

n Ti) Pat +oo&an-s .The Fa)ine Plot., +oo&an a&ain and a&ain details ho% the poerty and

liin& !onditions of the rish prior to the fa)ine %ere the result of &oern)ent poli!y and la%s,

espe!ially the penal la%s %hi!h %ere desi&ned to *eep the natie rish poor and suserient to

their En&lish )asters'

The landlord syste) in reland %as not y desi&n a for!ed laor syste), ut )andatory free

laor %as part of it, and it-s hard not to see parallels to the slaery pra!ti!ed in the >nited

8tates' Thou&h the plantation o%ners in the south %ere inested in the lies and health of their

slaes, the landlords in reland %ere ta=ed on the nu)er of rish liin& on their land' <n!e the

fa)ine hit, the death of the tenants %as %el!o)e ta= relief'

The plot itself %as not an oert !onspira!y, ut the syste) set up y the &oern)ent !reated

oth an i)poerished under!lass, and the !onditions that )ade a fa)ine ineitale' hat do

you do %hen you !reate this *ind of syste) <iously you trash the under!lass as la/y and

intelle!tually inferior and that is e=a!tly %hat %as done'

hen the fa)ine did hit, the %orst part of the plot %as e=e!uted y a !ouple of puli! serants

%ho ferently elieed in *id you not the hand of the free )ar*et and its aility to !orre!t

all e!ono)i! prole)s, in this !ase the oerpopulation of the island y allo%in& seeral)illion to die of staration disease and the ele)ents' Be=t ti)e you see a passin& referen!e to

ei!tions durin& the fa)ine, rest assured )any of these %ere al)ost an assured and i))ediate

death senten!e due to the ele)ents' There %as one, on Be% Cears ee, at ni&ht, durin& a &ale

for!e stor), that put aout 100 people into the ele)ents %ith only the !lothes on their a!*s'

hen you read aout e)i&ration, the point to re)e)er is it %as for!ed' Ei!tion and

staration %as the alternatie' The ships sent to the )eri!as, and ustralia %ere !alled !offin

ships and the death rate on those ships %as sta&&erin&' The liin& &enerally arried at their

destination na*ed and starin&, and here see )ore parallels to slaery'

8o, there it is' Eery ti)e see an rish na)e asso!iated %ith the !onseratie )oe)ent, or

ra!is) a) redundant5 %ant to an& )y head on the %all' s it i&noran!e, lindness, or

lind &reed don-t *no%, ut do *no% that eery day these people open their )ouths, they

spit on the &raes of their an!estors'

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Hne%I

Ao( olacoma 0em

Mar 14 · 10:03:3G PM"aitalism an0 colonialism

%ent hand in hand to !reate the fa)ine'

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Hne%I

0allas0unla Ao(

Mar 14 · 11:21:0J PM

If you thin the Irish famine was ba01 rea0

aout the fa)ines that !apitalis) and !olonialis) i)posed on ndia' Read .Kate Li!torian

(olo!austs: El Bino Fa)ines and the Ma*in& of the Third orld. y Mi*e Dais'

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Hne%I

R rugosa alba 0allas0unla

Mar 14 · 11:3J:4G PM

yes1 famines rare in In0ia before coloni2ation

and fro) %hat -e read the !hild )ortality rate a)on& En&lish !o))oners %as so hi&h, the

aera&e life e=pe!tan!y dropped to 1J years fro) 41 years5 for the typi!al laorer in En&land

itself durin& the late 1Jth !entury'


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Mar 1G · 12:01:03 M

In0ee01 where 0o you thin they learne0 it?

They learned it fro) 8!otland, ales, and reland'

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Hne%I

olacoma 0em 0allas0unla

Mar 1G · 12:22:42 M

will 0o that, nt

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Hne%I

R rugosa alba olacoma 0em

Mar 14 · 10:1:33 PM

e/cellent comment

This %as an intentional pro&ra) of the Aritish noility' and not ;ust in reland' nd of !ourse,

they e=ported it all oer the %orld'

t had een osered that, re&rettaly, En&lish peasants %ere free to only %or* as hard as they

needed to, and no harder, %ith their ti)e ein& their o%n' da) 8)ith e=presses his dis)ay at

%hat he !onsidered to e the leisurely pa!e of laor on an En&lish far) on seeral o!!asions in

ealth of Bations'

(ain& a un!h of !o))oners spendin& their free ti)e after the harest %as inN5 sin&in&,

drin*in& %assail and playin& %ith their !hildren %as an intolerale state of affairs' Fa!tory

o%ners needin& !heap laorers to endure horrendous !onditions on 14hour shifts' +apitalists

openly la)ented that !o))oners %ould not ta*e fa!tory ;os so lon& as they had so)e land to

e*e out a susisten!e upon' This shorta&e of desperate hun&ry laorers %as a hu&e prole),

e!ause it lead to hi&her %a&es, thus lo%er profits, and this %as a ery &reat eil, an

i)pedi)ent to the proper use of !apital and industrial pro&ress' En&lish nole)an, rthur


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Coun& did not )in!e %ords in 11 %hen he said .Eeryone ut an idiot *no%s that the lo%er

!lasses )ust e *ept poor or they %ill neer e industrious'.

These people %ere utterly ruthless the purpose of ei!tin& s)all far)ers fro) the !o))ons

%as to syste)ati!ally i)poerish the) to the point that hun&er itself %ould for!e the) to &o to

!ities and ta*e the detested ;os in fa!tories' hae read so)e%here that estate o%ners een

%ere adised to only plant hed&ero%s %ith plants earin& inedile fruit to ensure that the

!o))oners !ould not harest fruit or nuts that %ould enale the) to persist upon their

an!estral land %ish !ould find that a&ain'

Re 6oseph To%nsend %rote .Ke&al !onstraint Hi'e' slaeryI is attended %ith too )u!h troule,

iolen!e, and noise9 ' ' ' %hereas hun&er is not only a pea!eale, silent, unre)itted pressure,

ut, as the )ost natural )otie to industry and laor, it !alls forth the )ost po%erful

e=ertions'.

Bo% doesn-t that sound a it fa)iliarN


Hne%I#arth&eow345 R rugosa alba

Mar 1G · 10:44:21 PM

It's astonishing an0 horrifying

'''to hear of su!h uni)a&inale eil' (o% inhu)an, ho% ile, ho% !o)pletely la!*in& in een

the sli&htest of hu)an ualities' 8eriously''' it defies i)a&ination to thin* of people ein& that

!old, that heartless and !ruel' t-s no %onder people !an easily !o)e up %ith )yths li*e the

Reptilians or fi!tions li*e They Kie' t see)s )ore reasonale to thin* that those %ho a!t this

%ay aren-t hu)an at all than to %rap your head around the idea that hu)an ein&s !an e so

)onstrous'

f didn-t *no% you spo*e the truth, it %ould e i)possile to i)a&ine anyone !ould e so eil'

8adly, it-s all too true'

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Mar 1 · 02:10:04 M

(his is familiar

in t%o %ays' <ne is that, shortly after Boah dise)ar*ed, too* a (8 history !lass,

e)phasi/in& En&land sin!e %as in +anada at the ti)e5, %hi!h )entioned so)ethin& !alled

the En!losure Ka%s' t %as a )inor topi!, /ipped past ui!*ly, and neer &ot the point of it'

Made )e thin* of !o%oy son&s li*e .Don-t Fen!e Me n'.

Baturally, the tea!her didn-t e=plain the En!losure Ka%s the %ay your !o))ent does' (e had a

lot of )aterial to !oer in a li)ited ti)e'

The other %ay this is fa)iliar is BFT' The >8 +ha)er of +o))er!e supported it, of

!ourse, so that they !ould redu!e laor !osts y e=portin& )eri!an ;os to Me=i!o' Larious

far) ureaus loed it e!ause they !ould du)p susidi/ed )eri!an !orn into Me=i!an

)ar*ets' The 1O in Me=i!o %ho !all the shots there as their !ounterparts do here5 loed it

e!ause it had the effe!t of the En&lish En!losure Ka%s: drie the susisten!e far)ers off their

land and into !ities %here they e!a)e part of the !heap laor pool, desperate for any *ind of

;o in any sorts of !onditions'

t-s funny ho% no one see)s to !onne!t BFT %ith the rise of the dru& &an&s in Me=i!o'

8ure, the )ain prole) is the !ri)inali/ation drien y )eri!an dru& la%s5 of an enor)ous

)ar*et, )ade een )ore lu!ratie y ein& drien under&round, hen!e !o)pletely dere&ulated

and ta=free' Aut BFT had to e a )a;or !ontriutin& fa!tor' 8o)e of those for)er

susisten!e far)ers si&ned up as troops for the lo!al dru& lord rather than lie in a;e!t poerty

in uran slu)s'

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Mar 1J · 0G:4:2? M

E/cellent comment

read throu&h your entire post thin*in&, .doesn-t T(T sound fa)iliar. Then &ot to the last

line' Ces' Ces it does'

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Hne%I

t/0ouble00 olacoma 0em

Mar 14 · 10:G?:4 PM

Irish by Birth

%as orn in reland and a) a naturali/ed !iti/en' My &reat aunt %as a nun in ustin Te=as,

trust )e she %ould not re!o&ni/e Ryan-s +atholi!is) or his rish an!estry'

(e )ay thin* of hi)self as ein& .%hite la!e . rish and etter than the rest of us ut !onsider

hi) to e nothin& )ore than a hypo!rite'

%ould loe to hear %hat Pope Fran!is %ould hae to say to hi) aout his loe of yn Rand

s his supposed loe of 6esus and his tea!hin&s'

Maye President <a)a %ill as* the Pope to spea* %ith hi)'


Hne%I

7ombema t/0ouble00

Mar 1G · 12:42:G? M

+ou must be aware1 I'm sure1 that Poe 8rancis has

already %ei&hed in in prin!iple on Ryan and +o-s /o)ieeyed &rannystarin& un.+hristian.

ideolo&ies'

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Hne%I

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Mar 1G · 0?:20:1 PM

His a0miration for Ayn Ran0

is hilarious' 8he %as a !hild of her ti)es, a youn& 6e%ish %o)an orn in the old %orld that

%as torn et%een the communism of )talinand the fascism of Hitler' Runnin& a%ay fro)

oth to the >8 and losing her faith in the rocess, she sa% the a;e!t oedien!e of a person to

an ideolo&y as the first step in a ery ad dire!tion' I hoe Paul Ryan is aying attention

here95ith the %ars of reli&ions as they %ere in Europe a fe% !enturies efore her ti)e utthe !rusades and the nuisition al%ays studied in s!hools,5 she sa% reli&ion as so)ethin& to

es!he% as %ell, e!ause elon&in& to a &roup di)inishes your o%n stature as a free thin*er'

8he felt that the &oern)ent %as too po%erful in leyin& ta=es tlas should ;ust shru& up his

.duty. rather than a!!ept the urden of !arryin& the %orld on his shoulders5 but she 0i0 tae

a0:antage of )ocial )ecurity ; me0icare5 and %as absolutely in fa:or of abortion' t is

reisionists li*e Paul Ryan %ho see her as the e)odi)ent of their ideal s)aller &oern)ent5

%ithout studyin& her tea!hin&s or reali/in& that she %as a proaortion atheist' hen heard

Mitt Ro)ney, the Mor)on ishop%ho see)ed to thin* the %orld of her is %hen studied the

uestion' My dis!oery had )e ho%lin& on the floor %ith lau&hterN -) not too surprised to see

Paul Ryan trun!ate studies to suit his o%n ideolo&y' t is the ery proof of his superfi!ial

thin*in&, %ithout any lin* to reality'

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mama <o olacoma 0em

Mar 1G · 12:0:3J M

Amen, I feel the same way when i see

an talian na)e that is ali&ned %ith anythin&

repuli!an or !onseratie, as this is )y an!estry'

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8o, there it is' Eery ti)e see an rish na)e asso!iated %ith the !onseratie )oe)ent, or

ra!is) a) redundant5 %ant to an& )y head on the %all' s it i&noran!e, lindness, or

lind &reed don-t *no%, ut do *no% that eery day these people open their )ouths, they

spit on the &raes of their an!estors'

re)e)er the stories )y i))i&rant &randparents told,

and a) appalled at any ele!ted talian %ith an R after

their na)e'


Hne%I

whonu mama <o

Mar 1G · 01:04:33 PM

(om (ancre0o

ein& a -shinin&- e=a)ple'''

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Hne%Imcrumton mama <o

Mar 1 · 0:4?:G M

(here are socioaths from e:ery ethnic bacgroun0,

t is a disease of the )ind that allo%s the) to e oid of any e)pathy or understandin& of the

reality of other people-s sufferin&'

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from the si0eline olacoma 0em

Mar 1G · 01:33:23 M

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ear =44>

<f all &oern)ent held positions, &oernors, !on&ress)en, senetors, )ayors, D-s, ;ud&eships,

la%yers, and )ost &oern)ent a&en!ies, in!ludin& )ilitary i&%i&s are all led y so)eone of

rish des!ent'

Bear 100O of all %orld and lo!al ne%s reporters in the >'8'are of rish des!ent' Most all

positions of po%er are !ontroled y so)eone of rish des!ent'

f these positions %ere held y so)eone of talian des!ent %ould e ale to spot it and %ould

)a*e the sa)e reelation, and of !ourse %ould su&&est that %e %ere ein& run y the )afia'

for&et, ut thin* it %ent so)ethin& li*e this, the talian )afia %ent into i& usiness, and the

rish )afia %ent into la% enfor!e)ent' sn-t it oious a) talian and a) pullin& no pun!h-s'

. The lierty of a de)o!ra!y is not safe if the people tolerate the &ro%th of priate po%er to a

point %here it e!o)es stron&er than their de)o!rati! state itself .' F'D'R'

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Hne%I

isabelle hayes from the si0eline

Mar 1G · 0:11:1J PM

i thin the irish bloo0 can be foun0

eery%here in the %orld9 and that the )ost freuent !ontriution to the )a*eup of a)eri!ans in

the united states, at least, is irish

they, li*e the la!*s, the ;e%s, the aras, the oriientals, the puerto ri!ans, slas, et!' don-t stay

.do%n., on!e they hae a real !han!e at a &ood life

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Hne%I

flite0ocnm olacoma 0em

Mar 1G · 04:42:2 PM

)uerb comment, (han you, nt

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Hne%I

solublefish olacoma 0emMar 1G · 0:34:21 PM

ot so-ol0 Irish saying

.<n!e the rish &et into the !ountry !lu, they don-t %ant to let any )ore rish in the !ountry

!lu.' 8po*en to )e y )y &randfather, and he should-e *no%n it: he %as an rish )eri!an

%ho &re% up in the Depression %or*in& as a .&andy dan!er., later in life a state prison se!urity

&uard %ith a pension' (e %as also an aid supporter of 7old%ater, and later of Rea&an'

Eeryody %ants to e in the !lu, you *no%' nd on!e you-re .in. or at least you thin* you

are you don-t so )u!h !are aout those other people any)ore %ho aren-t in, whoever they )ayhappen to e' Cou )i&ht een thro% those people ri&ht oeroard if they start ro!*in& your

oat or if you thin* they are'

>ntil %e &et a i&&er !lu one that in!ludes eeryody .the prole) of ra!e. e=!use the

poerty of the ter)5 is not &oin& to disappear' For .ra!e. appears to e a !reature of !lass:

e!ono)i! inse!urity is its )otie for!e, and the priile&ed !lasses are its a&ent, sin!e the

diision of the poor into !o)petin& &roups prote!ts the)'

(he Reublicans nee0 to 0og-whistle race - they nee0 to because their political

economy has so ill-ser:e0 the country that a growing ma<ority of eole

are against them, 8in!e the Repuli!ans hae refused to !o)pro)ise on e!ono)i! issues, they

need all the )ore to rely on splittin& their opposition in order to )aintain po%er and on su!h

le&erde)ain as &erry)anderin& and restri!tin& otin& ri&hts5' They need to &et as )any

ordinary fol*s as they !an to identify %ith the ri!h and @whiteness@ is all they ha:e left to

offer, ell, that and &uns, and a %eird attra!tion to 8arah Palin'''

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)te:en Payne olacoma 0em

Mar 1G · 0?:G3:GJ PM

)ent to (o "omments

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Hne%I

8arEast*A olacoma 0em

Mar 1G · 10:1G:3? PM

$iing collaborators

Aut, so)e rish !ollaorated %ith the Li*in& inaders and %ere traitors to their o%n *ind %hen

Arian Aoru tried to oust the Li*in&s fro) reland'

Bot so different today, inas)u!h as the <a)as are aout as rish)eri!an as Kyin Ryan'

That other +<Bs adore hi) %ith the .thin*er. )oni*er ;ust proes ho% )indless and !lueless

they are'

thin* the durin& his only Real 6o 2 )os5, Kyin Ryan %as oere=posed to )eat

preseraties' hat %ouldn-t &ie for a pi!ture of hi) driin& the ienerMoileN

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#arth&eow345 olacoma 0em

Mar 1G · 10:3:24 PM

When you refer to the Potato 8amine1

neer for&et it %as an RTF+K fa)ine' There %as food, and plenty of it, the rish ;ust

%eren-t allo%ed to eat any of it' The &rain harest on reland %as ;ust fine, ut it %as all

e=ported to En&land' The li&ht that stru!* the potato !rop affe!ted the only food the oppressed

rish %ere allo%ed, and !ountless nu)ers stared %hile in the )idst of aundan!e they %ere

not allo%ed to tou!h'

t %as )urder' Plain and si)ple'

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Hne%I

6reenIn"alif olacoma 0em

Mar 1 · 01:G0:01 M

Wow9

M< this !o))ent &ets the point a!ross far etter than the ori&inal diary'

Maye it-s ti)e for so)e inspired fil))a*er to dra)ati/e the story of the rish potato fa)ine

the %ay = +ears a )la:e sho%ed us the truth aout the .8outhern %ay of life.'

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Hne%I

olacoma 0em 6reenIn"alif

Mar 1 · 01:02:33 PM

#amne0 goo0 i0ea

%ish *ne% an inspired fil) )a*er' There are a un!h of &ood ones in reland' Maye one

%ill ta*e it on so)e day'

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Hne%I

mcrumton olacoma 0em

Mar 1 · 0:4G:10 M

(he 6%P's biggest talent seems to be

the aility to re%rite history pie!e)eal, pi!*in& and !hoosin& fro) )odern and histori!al

sour!es to olster their !urrent a&enda' There is not een the pretense of intelle!tual honesty,

and there is nothin& too sha)efully dishonest for the) to e=ploit'



























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Hne%I

ris weibel olacoma 0em

Mar 1 · 11:32:0? M

R+A 8%R6E() HE I) IRI)H

Than* you o*la!o)a de) for a %ell %ritten opinion'

n rish %o)an %ho re!alls her Father-s tea!hin&s'

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Hne%I

<ulifolo olacoma 0em

Mar 1 · 11:3?:1 M

coie0 this to my notes file

sorry too late to re!

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Hne%I

&an%Wor0s olacoma 0em

Mar 1? · 0?:03:G1 M

*+I R+A

E=!ellent post and sadly trueNN Kyin Ryan is a hu&e dan&er to the )eri!an People'

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Hne%I

E/at an0 Prou0 of it (omP

Mar 1G · 04:4J:3 PM

I agree almost entirely,

The author starts y i)plyin& that Paul Ryan is no intelle!tual, a !on!lusion %ith %hi!h

%ould disa&ree' Ryan is ery intelli&ent, a )aster of t%istin& the truth and spinnin& the fa!ts

so that the !onseratie sheep stay di//y and !o)pliant' (e is a )aster at !raftin& the lies that

are repeated y his !ollea&ues and Fau= Be%s until they are elieed to e the truth' Paul

Ryan is !ut fro) the sa)e !loth as Di!* +heney and 6oseph 7oeles, and is ;ust as dan&erous' -d e surprised if Ryan !an eer fa*e enou&h personal !haris)a to e ele!ted president, ut he

should e %at!hed !losely he is li*ely to e settin& the !onseratie a&enda fro) the

a!*&round in the !o)in& de!ades'

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Hne%I

sfin/ E/at an0 Prou0 of it

Mar 1G · 0G:GJ:3 PM

Being a :ery cle:er liar1

t%ister, and )anipulator is not at all the sa)e thin& as ein& an intelle!tual' Real intelle!tuals

real serious thin*erseliee in the i)portan!e of thin*in& thin&s throu&h !arefully and

honestly'

*no% you ;ust )eant to point out that he-s sharp and *no%led&eale, and thin* that-s ri&ht,

ut part of %hat that reeals is ho% little that )eans %ithout refle!tieness and a sense of

intelle!tual responsiility' -e o!!asionally had Paul Ryan types in )y !lasses, and they don-t

do that %ell, e!ause they thin* they already *no% it all and ;ust hae to &a)e the syste)'

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Hne%I

isabelle hayes sfin/

Mar 1G · 0:12:22 PM

e/actly9999eom

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Hne%I

sfin/ isabelle hayes

Mar 1G · 0?:22:1? PM

th/ isabelle9

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Hne%I

ecola0y sfin/

Mar 1G · 0?:GG:2 PM

I agree, Ha:ing been a college rofessor

hae had to deal %ith the .Paul Ryan. types in )y !lasses also' Their intent is al%ays to sho%

their .intelle!tual superiority. %ithout hain& to do any %or*, eyond the are )ini)u)' They

also al%ays hae a s)all !adre of ad)irers %ho ta*e eerythin& they say as &ospel' narialy

they either uit )y !lass or flun* e!ause they turned in a late paper, or a pla&iari/ed one'

They are not intelle!tuals, they are perfor)ers' They sho% a re)ar*ale inaility to thin*

refle!tiely and they *no% nothin& aout intelle!tual honesty'

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Hne%I

6reenIn"alif sfin/

Mar 1 · 02:24:10 M

sfin/1 watch your bac9

The people %ho

thin* they already *no% it all and ;ust hae to &a)e the syste)

are fra!tally distriuted throu&hout our politi!al and e!ono)i! syste)s'

8o)eone you report to either elon&s to that !ate&ory or reports dire!tly or indire!tly5 to

so)eone %ho does' f the Paul Ryan types don-t do that %ell in your !lasses, sure hope you

hae tenure'

Refle!t, for a )o)ent, on ho% 7eor&e ' Aush &ot throu&h Cale' ould you hae %anted to

e the prof %ho &ae hi) an F

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Hne%I

sfin/ 6reenIn"alif

Mar 1 · 10:01:3J M

th/ 6reenIn"A1 I 0o try9

%ithin the li)its i)posed y that in!onenient !o))it)ent to intelle!tual honesty et!'

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<ulifolo E/at an0 Prou0 of it

Mar 1 · 11:4G:22 M



























lining "heney ! 6oebbles

&ets a re!

+heney is eil'

Ryan is despi!ale, entitle)ent ehaior trash' hope one of these days his arro&an!e &ets hi)thro%n out y the &reedy '01Oers he-s fa%nin& to'

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Hne%I

HashHowar0 (omP

Mar 1 · 12:33:43 PM

Wow9

E=!ellentN Thou&htproo*in& pie!eN

H<f !ourse, if you-re a )e)er of the 7<PQTP, it-s diffi!ult to &et it up enou&h to hae a

thou&ht, let alone one that proo*es een deeper thin*in&'I

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Hne%I

"ali )cribe

Mar 14 · 03:2G:2 PM

History teaches us

that )an learns nothin& fro) history'

Aill <-Reilly falls into the si)ilar trap of de)oni/in& the la!* )an %hile for&ettin& ho% his

rish an!estors %ere ie%ed'

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"hauncey #e$ega "ali )cribe

Mar 14 · 03:41:0 PM

he earne0 his whiteness, why not?

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Hne%I

nota bene "ali )cribe

Mar 14 · 04:23:G2 PM

Bill %'Reilly

he li*es to thin* of hi)self as this lue !ollar &uy, ut in reality he-s as la!e !urtain as it &ets''''


Hne%I

aeit2 nota bene

Mar 14 · 0G:43:0J PM

)I6H I':e got @*ace "urtain@ family too

s there so)ethin& in the %ater on Kon& sland My rish an!estors %ere of )odest )eans and

%hat )eans they had %ere %hipped out in the Depression so they had to e&in ane% in %hat

fol*s %ould no% !all a &hetto'

8adly one of the sons thou&h the &ood fortune of !o)in& to a&e in the late G0s had free !olle&e

ia R<T+, &ood lu!* in usiness !onta!ts ia another relatie and is a )illionaire' (e-s al)ost

a !lone of <-Reilly, no a)ount of persuasion %ill !onin!e hi) that he is )ore li*e the .the).

he )o!*s than he is not'


Hne%I

"hauncey #e$ega aeit2

Mar 14 · 0:2:G0 PM

(he white mi00le class was create0 by the go:'t

Aut don-t tell the) that'

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Hne%I

Ao( "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 10:04:1? PM(he mi00le class was create0 by unions

t %as *ept %hite y the &oern)ent and %hites'


Hne%I

anon445 Ao(

Mar 14 · 11:G0:2 PM

How many white eole an0

their des!endents enefited fro) the redu!ed !o)petition for !olle&e pla!e)ents or ;os or

housin& due to dis!ri)ination and redlinin& (o% )any la!*s and their des!endents hae

een !o)pletely depried of the opportunity to uild &enerational %ealth e!ause of the sa)e

thin&s

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Hne%I

Ao( anon445

Mar 14 · 11:G?:3 PM

&ost all of them in the mi00le class

and )any %ho %eren-t' the ra!ist history of %hite unions should e a sour!e of sha)e for laor'

Espe!ially the i& unions' (ae they apolo&i/ed at all

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mary Ao(

Mar 1G · 03:01:G1 PM

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Hne%I

awesumtenor Ao(

Mar 1 · 0G:0?:22 PM

It was a <oint effort

et%een laor unions %hi!h in lar&e part e=!luded la!* %or*ers5 and post 2 )a;ority

population affir)atie a!tion the 7 Aill %hi!h dee)ed la!* eterans not %orthy5

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Hne%I

(Rs"ousin aeit2

Mar 14 · 0?:2:24 PM

We ne:er lie to a0mit how close we are

to those %e !onsi&n to the .under!lass'. t re)inds us of ho% pre!arious our lies are'

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Hne%I

0rum22 aeit2

Mar 1G · 03:24:GG PM

I'm from *e:ittown an0 woul0 lo:e to beat %'*iely

to a stin*in& pulp'

My fa)ily lost their fortune in the depression too, )y &reat &randdad hun& %ith Teddy

Rooseelt and %as one of the first to o%n )ultiple ars in Flushin&'

<-leily is an aerrationN

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Hne%I

&6ross

Mar 14 · 03:2J:0G PM

I coul0 swear it was on #aily7os,,,

'''%here read a diary on ho% they elieed dis!ri)ination a&ainst the rish %as a histori!al

fari!ation' Bo% !an-t re)e)er %ho the author %as to di& it up'

Perhaps this diary %ill pro)pt the) to turn up'''

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Hne%I

"hauncey #e$ega &6ross

Mar 14 · 03:41:G0 PM

i belie:e on 0aily os there was

a serious readin& !o)prehension prole) fro) so)eone na)ed M7ross on that sa)e pie!e'

Troll else%here please'

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Hne%I

nota bene &6ross

Mar 14 · 04:31:33 PM

,,,,

<h, you )ean this one

Bo, proaly not %hat you had in )ind, thin*'

Perhaps you should other to spend fie )inutes 7oo&lin&, if you-re &oin& to )a*e so)e sort

of !asual, unsupported su&&estion li*e that'

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Hne%I

Elli0 nota beneMar 14 · 04:42:4J PM

I raise0 some ob<ections to the illustrations

Bot so )u!h to the !ontent of the diary, %hi!h don-t dispute for a )inute, ut to the use of

those a%ful 1?th !entury !artoons to illustrate a diary on early 1th !entury !olonialis)' There

%as a i& rea*do%n in !o))uni!ations that %as at least partially )y fault'

That said, don-t for one )inute thin* dis)iss idea that %hiteness is a so!ial !onstru!t, or that

ethni! &roups %e no% thin* of as %hite li*e the rish, the talians, the r)enians, the Poles,

the (un&arians, the 7er)ans, et!', et!'5 %ere on!e seen as non%hite despite hain& li&ht s*in,li&ht hair, and ery often lue or &reen eyes' do a&ree %ith that, and How the Irish Became

White is on )y TAR list' )eri!a-s treat)ent of non8Ps is sha)eful'

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Hne%I

tommymet nota bene

Mar 14 · 0?:2?:3 PM

(hat's not the 0iary being referre0 to,

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Hne%I

&6ross nota bene

Mar 1G · 10:G:31 M

o1 the oosite of that 0iary1 retty much, Cn;tD

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Hne%I

olacoma 0em &6ross

Mar 14 · 0?:G2:2G PM

I hoe you 0i0n't belie:e it9

8ee )y post aoe'

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Hne%I

0rum22 &6ross

Mar 1G · 03:2:2 PM

+ou're full of shit

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Hne%I

R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 03:4J:2G PM

(his is e/cellent

info on the rish that relatiely fe%, in!ludin& those of rish herita&e are a%are of, of %hi!h the

Potato Fa)ine is ;ust a s)all !hapter, and the only part they-e usually heard of' This history

in!ludes the !o)plete .for&ettin&. oth denial and i&noran!e5 of the En!losure Ka%s, Poor

Ka%s, +orn Ka%s, and !learin& of the !o))ons all oer the Aritish sles' The !o))oners,

%hether rish, 8!ottish, elsh, or En&lish %ere all displa!ed, drien y for!e and staration

fro) their an!estral lands'

This enaled the elite to for&e a ne% %orld order out the free)ar*et inisile hand )ysti!is)

of da) 8)ith, that is, )odern industrial !apitalis)' t proided the) oth .!leared. land for

plantation a&ri!ulture and the starin& and desperate .e=!ess population. doo)ed to %or* in

fa!tories and )ines, transport to penal !olonies and seri!e in the ar)y and nay'

























8o, ironi!ally, the displa!ed %ere sent off to Borth )eri!a, sia, and fri!a to do to other

indi&enous people e=a!tly %hat had een done to the), for the enefit of the sa)e elite !lass'

n )y a!tiis), often hae to e=plain this history to .%hite. people of arious Aritish sles

e=tra!tions' s a person of oth rish and Eastern European 6e%ish herita&e it is painful to )e

to see the pererse leel of identifi!ation )any of these fol*s hae %ith the perpetrators' The

only thin& !an !o)pare this to is i)a&inin& a 6e% in Aroo*lyn or arsa% %ho has not eer

heard of the (olo!aust or the po&ro)s' -) not !o)parin& this to the (olo!aust, please, please

let-s not &o thereN ;ust that the en!losures and suseuent diaspora %ere !o)paraly (>7E

histori!al eents %ith !onseuen!es %e are still dealin& %ith as* any Batie )eri!an5' For

people, espe!ially those %hose an!estors %ere dire!tly inoled to not een e a%are of %hat

really happened is tra&i!'


Hne%I

"hauncey #e$ega R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 03:G1:4 PM

I always mar:el at how the Irish in Irelan0

%ere supporters of the Ala!* Freedo) 8tru&&le and antislaery %hile those in the states %ere

uite ra!ist'


Hne%I

R rugosa alba "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 03:G:4J PM

uite ironic1 isn't it

really %ish this %as all tau&ht in s!hool, in the sa)e se&)ent as the ndustrial Reolution,

%here it elon&s, ut that %ould put a i& old hole in the free )ar*et lifts all oats )yth'




















Hne%I

E0nahil0a R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 04:1:4G PM

It woul0 be nice

if BCT(B7 aout the history of the Kaor Moe)ent %ere tau&ht in s!hool, too, ut it-s too

hot to tou!h sa)e as the eolution of ra!ial identity in the >8' +onseraties )i&ht hae a

sad'


Hne%I

"hauncey #e$ega E0nahil0a

Mar 14 · 0:2G:20 PM

you now, that is why i laugh at the :arious

Ri&ht%in& )yths aout .lieral )edia. and .lierals. in hi&her ed and puli! edu!ation'

;o*e' Aut a ery effe!tie !on for the ri&ht%in& lo% info puli!'


Hne%I

anon445 E0nahil0a

Mar 1G · 12:00:0? M

I <ust lo:e your sentence

.+onseraties )i&ht hae a sad'.

These people !an say the )ost offensie, rutal, !ruel thin&s, and not only do they e=pe!t the

o;e!ts of their ine!tie not to push a!* %hi!h da)a&es their deli!ate psy!hes and so)eho%

interferes %ith their .freedo).5, ut they e=pe!t eeryone to applaud their .insi&hts. and

%orship at their feet' >nelieale'

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fenway5F "hauncey #e$egaMar 14 · 0G:04:3J PM

ot all

My an!estors fou&ht for the >nion' t least one, a!!ordin& to his &randson, e=pli!itly )ade the

!o)parison to rish sufferin&'


Hne%I

olacoma 0em fenway5F

Mar 14 · 10:0?:30 PM

goo0 oint1 there were a lot of Irish

in the >nion ar)y' There %ere also a lot of prole)s et%een rish and free la!* in the north,

espe!ially in Be% Cor*'

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Wolf=4 "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 0G:0:34 PM

Race being a biologically fictitious social

!onstru!t, as is ra!is), )i&ht &o a %ays in a!!ountin& for the differen!e et%een the ie%s of

these populations' Their relatedness y lood !annot a!!ount for their so!ial attitudes'

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Ao( "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 0G:2J:1G PM

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(he Irish in America

hae for&otten that %e are a result of !onuest on !olonialis) e=!ept as an .-) not ra!ist.

tal*in& point' people %ho had their lan&ua&e destroyed and %ho %ere ripped fro) their

ho)e land, if they %eren-t stared to death or *illed so)e other %ay'

Bothin& sha)es )e &reater than seein& those of rish des!ent for&et their past and for&et ho%

%e e!a)e enfor!ers of !olonialis)'


Hne%I

R rugosa alba Ao(

Mar 14 · 0G:G4:13 PM

ot <ust the Irish Americans

l)ost all )eri!ans des!ended fro) the !o))oners %ho %here dispossessed are una%are of

this and proaly a hi&her per!enta&e of rish)eri!ans hae so)e *no%led&e of this history

than say, for e=a)ple, people of 8!ottish or En&lish herita&e' 8outhern states %ould e E=hiit

'

Bote the nu)er of )eri!ans %ith !o))on surna)es that are !learly .!o))on,. e'&' 8)ith,

ri&ht, Far)er, Miller, Aurrell, +ooper, eaer'

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earicicle Ao(

Mar 1G · 0G:11:40 M

ot this Irishwoman,

My &rand)other %as orn in the poorest !ounty of reland, in rural !onditions essentiallyun!han&ed for !enturies' 8he left s!hool at a&e ? to raise her silin&s %hen her )other died

in !hildirth' 8he !a)e to )eri!a %ith S2G in her po!*etthe le&al )ini)u)to %or* as a

!oo*' fter she )arried )y &randfather, %ho laored on then )ana&ed s)all dairy far)s,

she !oo*ed !leaned &re% her o%n food, )u!h li*e she had in reland' Eery s!rap of

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8he %as in!redily s)art funny resour!eful, and yet neer had suffi!ient edu!ation een

to &et a drier-s li!ense' Eerythin& )y )other )y sister hae a!hieed: e re!o&ni/e

that our fan!y edu!ations and other re)ar*ale life opportunities !o)e dire!tly fro) the

+ounty erry dirt eneath 7ran-s fin&ertips' The auda!ity it too* to enture a!ross an o!ean

%ith nothin&' The ision it too* to %ant thin&s for her dau&hter and &randdau&hters that she

neer een *ne% e=isted'

a) a proud produ!t of the appallin& poerty )y &rand)other suried, the oppressie

!olonialis) she )y fier!e an!estors defied'

Don-t &enerali/e aout -The rish in )eri!a'-

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Ao( earicicle

Mar 1G · 10:22:34 M

An0 not me either

Aut for the ast )a;ority of people of rish des!ent it is true'

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Hne%Iearicicle Ao(

Mar 1G · 01:43:4G PM

'$ast ma<ority',,,

al%ays hae a prole) %ith s%eepin&, unerifiale &enerali/ations' Espe!ially %hen they

refer to one ethni! &roup or ra!e or !lass or'''%ell, do you see )y point Millions of rish %ho

e)i&rated to )eri!a, in fa!t, hae a history of )aintainin& e=tre)ely !lose ties to reland'

8o)e )e)ers of )y &rand)other-s fa)ily !a)e to the >8, %or*ed and then returned to

relande=tre)ely !o))on pattern that estalished on&oin& fa)ily ties a!ross the tlanti!'

For all i))i&rant &roups to )eri!a, arious pressures %or* for and a&ainst assi)ilation'

hat is fas!inatin& is to study theactual history of these patterns, as opposed to )a*in& road

assertions that sere no useful purpose'

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mahaali o:er0ri:e earicicle

Mar 1G · 03:30:2? PMI agree with the both of you

ut )y only !lai) to this ar&u)ent is that -) half so)e !o)ination of rish8!ottishelsh

and Dut!h and half MiddleEastern 6e%ish %ho )oed to the >*raine and then up into Russia

efore i))i&ratin& here5' don-t *no% )u!h aout any of it EU+EPT the 8!ottish it' The

rish part %asn-t %ell)aintained' s for the 8!ottish part, %ant to &o e!ause it-s tra!eale

a!* and see)s interestin& to )e' t-s the only part of )y herita&e that !an put a na)e to a

to%n other than parts of the >*raine %hi!h are not doin& too %ell ri&ht no%' 8u!h a )ind fu!*,

all of it'

thin* %e !an tal* aout our indiidual ane!dotes and find that they-ll all e really different'

8till, at the end of the day, Paul Ryan is an asshole %ho has !learly for&otten his o%n roots and

is i)ued %ith aout G00 ls' of %hite priile&e that his an!estors %ould not hae had, for

%hi!h he !ares not a %hit'

This happens !y!li!ly to 6e%s' e are !oded, un!oded, re!oded, and &eo&raphi!ally !oded as

.%hite. dependin& on %here %e lie and %ho-s doin& the loo*in&' e hae a %eird perspe!tie

on these thin&s loo* 6e%ish enou&h that this happens to )e, ut don-t loo* 6e%ish enou&h

to not so)eti)es pass in so)e pla!es too''' depends on %hat !olor )y hair is, *ind of''' %eird,

ri&ht n Florida or Be% Cor*, -) .*no%n. to e 6e%ish i))ediately9 in a lot of the rest of the

!ountry, &et .%hite i))unity. fro) that !odin&' n Be% Cor*, it .)eans so)ethin&. to e

6e%ish, espe!ially if you-re fro) a proper Mayflo%er fa)ily''' et!'5

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earicicle mahaali o:er0ri:e

Mar 1G · 04:4?:24 PM

Paul Ryan is a traitor to all of humanity1 most

espe!ially rish and rish)eri!an people' Hnd an e)arass)ent tohomo sapiens as a

lifefor)'I hat Paul Ryan is B<T: a representatie of so)e a)orphous -ast )a;ority- of rish

)eri!ans' Many of %ho) re)ain deeply rooted in, and respe!tful of, our ery hu)le

ori&ins'

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n fa!t, a) proud to e the des!endent of the oppressed, rather than the oppressors' f only

pond s!u) li*e Ryan !ould share the ethos of &enerosity, &ra!e &ratitude that his an!estors

!ould respe!t' nstead of &raspin& and !la%in& to e!o)e an oppressor hi)self'

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isabelle hayes mahaali o:er0ri:e

Mar 1G · 0:32:41 PM

now what you mean

)y ;e%ish nie!e and her no)inally protestant5 )ayflo%erdes!ended husand-s !hildren !an e

dau&hters of the a)eri!an repuli!, on!e only the %hitest of the %hite9

another 2 ;e%ish !ousins hae *orean and irish spouses, and a)eri!an !hildren

thin* of itN this didn-t happen efore the 1?G0-s, and no% it-s !o))on9

this has happened all oer the usa, and the effe!t is yet to e a!*no%led&ed, ut the lieralis)

of the youn& is proof

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R rugosa alba mahaali o:er0ri:e

Mar 1G · 0:1:03 PM

I ha:e the same e/erience

&ro%in& up there %as enou&h i&otry and nastiness aout )y hair te=ture, full lips, et!' that don-t feel truly %hite ut -) sure not non%hiteN it all depends in Me=i!o, %as .re!o&ni/ed.

as a .Be% Cor*er. %hi!h -) not, ut understood %hat they %ere sayin& ery %ell' n the 8F

Aay rea %as %hite, ut in the K entertain)ent, desi&n and te=tile industry %as

.oiously. 6e%ish and een %arranted ery dirty loo*s in !ertain nei&horhoods %hile driin&

late Friday afternoon' n the rural !ounty %here lie no%, -) %hite a&ain' Aut al%ays feel



















li*e -) ;ust .passin& for %hite. and a) definitely a%are of priile&e, %hat it %ould e li*e to

drie %hile (ispani! or Batie )eri!a'

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RU7in0 earicicle

Mar 1G · 0G:43:2 PM

&y mother's mother came o:er from "or

Aein& se!ond &eneration, -e een ale to re&ain )y rish !iti/enship and passport' That-s one

less in total diaspora'

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isabelle hayes RU7in0

Mar 1G · 0:33:1 PM

same for my husban01 eom

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Hne%I

RU7in0 Ao(

Mar 1G · 0G:33:1G PM

IA - o Irish ee0 Aly

That %as a !o))on a!rony) on help %anted ads in Aoston up into )y &randparents- ti)e'

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&in0ful ature "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 0J:31:3G PM

ot really all that surrising is it?

Ra!e and ra!is) ein& oth so!ial !onstru!ts, you-d e=pe!t t%o different &roups in t%o

different politi!al and so!ial !ir!u)stan!es to ta*e different positions, and oth do it for their

o%n do)esti! politi!al and e!ono)i! purposes, i-d su&&est' The rish to po*e it to the En&lish

and n&lo )eri!an po%er stru!tures and out of sy)pathy for those si)ilarly rhetori!ally or

)ytholo&i!ally5 situated, %hile the rish here stand in entirely a different position relatie tothose )oe)ents'

roni!ally, %as a tar&et of a s)all ra!e riot in a predo)inantly rish )eri!an nei&horhood

on a!!ount of )y afro Ara/ilian fian!ee and our friends of ahem ery dierse a!*&rounds that

didn-t sit %ell %ith the lo!als in a s)all to%n ;ust outside Aoston' t %as a ery enli&htenin&

and fri&htenin& e=perien!e'

-) often super !riti!al of your %or* and so)e of your positions, ut this diary is truly superN

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olacoma 0em "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 10:01:22 PM

one wor0, cometition

n this !ase, !o)petition for ;os and housin& y the t%o under!lass &roups' The rish %on, nodout pale s*in helped a lot'

<n the other side of the la*e, they had a etter handle on %here it all !a)e fro) and e=a!tly

%ho %as responsile' 8ee .Easter >prisin&., +oo&an-s a &ood sour!e for that too'

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ebohlman "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 1G · 02:01:3 M

It's imortant to reali2e that immigrants

fro) a parti!ular so!iety are, al)ost y definition, not representatie of that so!iety'

so)eti)es ;o*e that one of the reasons the Betherlands is su!h a tolerant pla!e is that all their

intolerant people )oed to the Dut!h !olonies a!* in the days'

))i&rants are a selfsele!ted &roup, and selfsele!ted &roups sustantially differ fro) the

population they selfsele!ted out of )ore often than not' f didn-t *no% the history inoled,

-d thin* that the reason the area lie in has so )any s)all usinesses run y i))i&rants fro)

the area that %as .ehind the iron !urtain. %hen %as a *id %as that they !a)e fro) a !ulture

that en!oura&ed entrepreneurship and indiidual a)ition' Aut *no% for a fa!t that their

!ultures dis!oura&ed it' ()), )aye that-s %hy they de!ided to leae'

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"hauncey #e$ega ebohlman

Mar 1G · 02:21:24 M

:ery well ut which is why conser:ati:e colorblin0

ra!ist ar&u)ents aout .)odel )inorities. and the .i))i&rants. did &reat %hy !an-t .the

la!*s. is intelle!tually spe!ious and pro!eeds fro) false assu)ptions'

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Ao( ebohlman

Mar 1G · 10:4G:2? M

@Immigrants are a self-selecte0 grou@

+ertainly not in the !ase of )any i))i&rants' The rish and the 8!ottish to na)e t%o &roups'

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mary Ao(

Mar 1G · 04:1G:0J PM6i:en that many weren't so much immigrants

as *idnap i!ti)s, and another hu&e se&)ent %ere refu&ees fro) staration, thin* that-s ri&ht'

nd that-s efore %e &et to the !hildren traellin& %ith adults, %ho %ere )ost analo&ous to the

!hildren of )i&rant far)%or*ers, and didn-t selfsele!t suat' They %ere not e=a!tly li*e the

%or*ers %ho !o)e in no% on ? isas and are sele!ted for parti!ular s*ills'

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chmoo0 "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 1G · 0J:G1:30 M

(hey were 0eliberately set against each other by

the planters, the slaers just like the three)enandaplateof!oo*ies ;o*e5 else !o))on

!ause %ould-e een )ade lon& efore no%'''een &oin& so far eentually5 as to inter)arry

the)seles %ith the rish in pursuit of a stale selfperpetuatin& -enfor!er- !lass that still e=ists

in se)ipr&ani/ed fashion today'

Bot unli*e the %ay the conquistadors of Me=i!o use the mestiso population to *eep los

indios )ar&inali/ed and desperate'

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Elli0 R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 04:4:G PM

)eaing as a Welsh-American

thin* it-s pretty safe to say that sin!e the elsh coul0 pass as En&lish, ery often they 0i0,

and after a &eneration or t%o their des!endants for&ot !o)pletely that they-d eer een

anythin& else' My )other on!e told )e that Dad-s an!estors weren't elsh, een thou&h -d

found a !opy of a &enealo&y that !learly stated that the first an!estor %e !ould tra!e had been

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t %as pretty stran&e'''ut then a&ain, Mu) and her fa)ily played do%n ein& 7er)an

)eri!an een thou&h )y un!le Kou had tried to tra!* do%n suriin& relaties in arlsruhe

after the %ar' The only e=planation !an thin* of is that one of those relaties had een an 88

offi!er and the fa)ily %as asha)ed, not that any of us in Pennsylania had had a da)n thin& to

do %ith Manfred-s de!ision to heil his (itler all oer the pla!e'

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(Rs"ousin Elli0

Mar 14 · 0?:3:1? PM

%h gee21 0on't feel strange about your family

it see)s to e a pe!uliarly )eri!an the)e'

My an!estors %ere Fren!h (u&uenots %ho left Fran!e e!ause of the depredations isited on

the), %hi!h in!luded hain& !hildren ta*en a%ay and put into seritude and ein& i)pressed

into inoluntary seritude read slaery5 the)seles'

8o %hat did a lot of the) do in the Be% orld Auy fri!an slaes, of !ourse'

hae neer understood ho% people %ho had fa!ed su!h sufferin& the)seles !ould isit the

sa)e *ind of sufferin&and deny iton others'

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&unynn Elli0

Mar 14 · 10:31:03 PM

)ame situation1 Welsh in my bloo0

My Mu) %as a little &irl in Kondon durin& the o)in& raids and %as eentually ea!uated to

the sle of i&ht' 8adly, she lost seeral !hildhood friends, and !ould neer stand our 4th of

6uly !elerations' The loud an&s and other e=plosions %ere too trau)ati/in&' My Dad %as

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of 1J12 and %ere i)prisoned at ndersonille durin& the +iil ar' &uess )y parents %ere a

*ind of -%ar reparation- )arria&e in the late G0s'

t is est you don-t find yourself et%een )e and Toad in the (ole'''

+heersN

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Elli0 &unynn

Mar 1G · 0J:G4:13 M

(hat soun0s lie the oosite of my arents

Dad %as the old!o)er, fro) a fa)ily that had !o)e oer around 140, %hile Mu)-s people

had een oer for less than a !entury %hen they )et and )arried' in-t )eri!a &reat

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braeG4 R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 04:G1:0J PM

+ou will en<oy this1 then

The fa)ous son& .Bo rish Beed pply, sun& y a 6e% 6oe 7la/er'hlVenW>8ersionV3relV0.X

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(hat's great9 (hans

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Hne%I

olacoma 0em R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 0?:G:G0 PM

well sai0, nt

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0allas0unla R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 11:3:30 PM

)ome of the tactics of both the a2is an0 the

8talinist +o))unists %ere foreshado%ed y the !olonial po%ers, )ore espe!ially the Aritish

E)pire in the 1?th +entury'

The use of lar&e s!ale fa)ine as a )eans of !ontrol oer a population %as pioneered y the

Aritish' The )ass displa!e)ent of populations %as used to suppress reland' 8tartin& in the 1th

+entury, a pro&ra) of plantations %as e&un' plantation %as a sei/ure of land in a tar&eted

area, e=pulsion of the population, and its repla!e)ent %ith people )oed in fro) En&land or

8!otland' This !ul)inated in the >lster plantation in the 1th +entury'

The people *no%n as 8!otsrish are des!ended fro) 8!ots %ho %ere displa!ed fro)

8!otland and resettled in reland' They-re )ore a!!urately !alled >lster 8!ots'

+o)parisons to the (olo!aust aren-t entirely out of line' Aritish !apitalists !ontrolled the food

supply in the !olonies' n reland and ndia in the 1?th +entury, they %ere perfe!tly %illin& to

let the free )ar*et %or* y shippin& food fro) the fa)ine re&ions to %here it !ould fet!h the

hi&hest pri!e'

The death toll fro) the ndian fa)ines %as in the tens of )illions'

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Hne%I

%llie6arey R rugosa alba

Mar 1G · 02:2:34 MWhen the Romans arri:e0 on the scene1 they sai0

that the 8!ots, then 7aels, )ade .e=!ellent thiees'.

ealth of Bations %as a %ildly su!!essful atte)pt to le&ali/e our natural talent at thieery'

nd loo* %hat %e helped the Aritish E)pire a!!o)plish to that endN

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g<ohnsit

Mar 14 · 03:4J:G3 PM

$ery well sai0

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"rashing $or

Mar 14 · 03:G3:33 PM

%wsley "ounty1 7+

holds the honor of hi&hest per!enta&e of food sta)p re!ipients in the nation'

t is ?O non(ispani! %hite' nd ?GO Repuli!an'

+ulture prole), indeed'

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tom 5G "rashing $or

Mar 14 · 04:G2:13 PM

)eems to be1 the roblem is

ein& %hite and 7<P to follo% their lo&i!5'

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)otto$oce "rashing $or

Mar 14 · 0:03:G4 PM

An0 I'm willing to bet there isn't a single

.nner !ity. in the %hole !ounty'

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bernar0liers "rashing $or

Mar 14 · 0:4:0 PM

@Inner "ity@ As In @Warsaw 6hetto?@

s in&nuts 8ay, .Ba/is ere Bational 8<+K8T8'.

hi!h is sort of true that they elieed in redistriution of %ealth as lon& as it %ent to true

.ryans'. t %as so!ialis) e=!lusiely for %hite people %hile the )inorities %ere enslaed

and stared' <h eentually they &ot around to enslain& the %or*in& !lass %hites also, ut

they %ere spared the a!tual &eno!ide'

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.esse"W bernar0liers

Mar 14 · 0?:04:3 PM

(hey weren't e:en @)ocialist among Aryans@

hile they did eliee in land refor)s to prote!t s)all properly ryan5 far)ers, nationali/in&

*ey industries elieed to e essential to defense, and in a asi! safety net for ryans5, they

had no interest at all in eli)inatin& !lass stru!ture'

.Lol*s&e)eins!haft. %as a ery spe!ifi! ideolo&y !entered unitin& for !o))on national &oals

%ithout destroyin& !lass differen!es'

f that-s not at least a !lai)ed &oal of your Party, it-s not so!ialist in any sense'

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bernar0liers .esse"W

Mar 14 · 0?:14:0 PM

@)a:ing (he 8amily 8arm@ e:er 6oes %ut %f )tyle

i thin* those %ere the &roups that a!tually had .8o!ialist. in their na)e, %hi!h the Ba/is )ore

or less &ot stu!* %ith' There %ere also e=tre)ely antise)iti!' The it aout sain& fa)ily

far)s %as in the 1?2? Ba/i party platfor)'

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0allas0unla .esse"W

Mar 14 · 11:4:33 PM

(he a2is 0i0n't nationali2e ey in0ustries, (hey

had effe!tie !ontrol of !o)panies li*e 7 Faren and rupp, ut the !o)panies re)ained in

the hands of the o%nership'

Ford er*e 7, a susidiary of the Ford Motor +o)pany, !ontinued to operate in Ba/i

7er)any durin& the %ar, no)inally under the o%nership of its )eri!an parent !o)pany'

Aotto) line: The Ba/is %eren-t so!ialists'

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.esse"W 0allas0unla

Mar 1G · 02:2:00 M

Agree0 on your conclusion1 but they ran on

Bationali/in& *ey industries' t %as part of ho% they tried to appeal to other %or*ers parties'

That alone doesn-t )a*e a 8o!ialist Party, of !ourse' The !ore of 8o!ialis) is see*in& to

destroy e!ono)i! !lass' ll else is aout )eans'

That-s so)ethin& the Ba/i-s !o)pletely opposed'

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.esse"W "rashing $or

Mar 14 · 0J:G?:01 PM

It's also the oorest or the fifth oorest

!ounty in the >8, dependin& on %hether you loo* at per!enta&e elo% the poerty line or

)edian household in!o)e'

t-s een Repuli!an sin!e efore the +iil ar' <nly 12 )en fro) the !ounty fou&ht on the

+onfederate side, %hile nearly eery ale odied )an enlisted in the >nion !ause' Ko!al story

is that %hen the draft a&ents sho%ed up, there %as no one left to draft'

<f !ourse, a hell of a lot of Free 8oiler Repuli!ans a!* then %ere deeply ra!ist despite ein&

ada)antly opposed to slaery' Their )otiation %as hatin& the %ealthy planters %ho *ept)anipulatin& politi!ians to drie ro*e %hite suatters eer est, not any fir) elief in the

rotherhood of )an'

t-s ;ust interestin& to )e that Di=ie!rats neer %on this !ounty' Eer' >nli*e )ost of the no%

Repuli!an 8outh, these aren-t fol*s %ho follo%ed 8tro) Thur)ond oer fro) the De)o!rati!

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0allas0unla .esse"W

Mar 14 · 11:G4:1? PM

(here is Jor use0 to beK a henomenon nown as

Mountain Repuli!ans in entu!*y and Tennessee' They are the des!endants of people %ho

supported the >nion durin& the +iil ar and hae histori!ally een at odds %ith the 8outhern

De)o!rati! estalish)ent in those states' Their surial into )odern ti)es &ae the

Repuli!an Party a nu!leus of supporters to uild on' Repuli!ans li*e (o%ard Aa*er %ere supported y the )ountain people'

Tennessee and entu!*y did not se!ede fro) the >nion and %ere the s!ene of nei&hor s

nei&hor fi&htin& durin& the %ar'

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olacoma 0em "rashing $or

Mar 14 · 10:1G:31 PM

an0 I bet they are absolutely con:ince0

the de)o!rats ;ust !ut their food sta)ps'

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Ba0 "og

Mar 14 · 04:02:4? PM

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Cou really nailed Ryan-s hypo!risy and also )ade an e=!ellent point: ho% often it is that

people find an e=!use to hold do%n .the other. and, in turn, how often members of a once-

persecuted group still want to find their own "other" to hold down

Aut our a&enda is different, says the %annae oppressor e=a!tly %hat the preious oppressor

%ould say and e=a!tly %hat the oppressor efore hi) %ould hae said efore that' nd so on

and so on it &oes'

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"hauncey #e$ega Ba0 "og

Mar 14 · 04:04:21 PM

than you, got to lo:e Ryan1 mr, grew u on social

se!urity, &ot &o-t !ontra!ts to lie off of, and no% &ets a !he!* as a .puli! serant.'

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#irtan0iron "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 14 · 0G:G1:10 PM

+eah1 0on't you <ust lo:e the

&oern)enthatin& Teaa&&ers, %ho so desperately %ant to &et ele!ted to a &oern)ent ;o

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<anis b #irtan0iron

Mar 14 · 0:01:0 PM

(he irony of 0ishonesty

neer ends, unfortunately'

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Hne%I

)outhern*iberalin&#

Mar 14 · 04:1:0 PM

(hans for bringing u this fascinating

and al%ays pertinent histori!al point'

ll this Paul Ryan )a*es )e feel the need to post this, proaly to re)ind )e that the rish !an

also e supre)ely !ool:

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Ice Blue )outhern*iberalin&#

Mar 14 · 0:40:GJ PM

(he culture that ga:e us (he Pogues

has nothin& to e=plain'

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.esse"W )outhern*iberalin&#

Mar 14 · 0?:10:3J PM

(heir shows are always fun li:e,

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Hne%I

)outhern*iberalin&# .esse"W

Mar 14 · 0?:G4:23 PM

ow that I woul0 lie to see, n;t

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Hne%I

blueoregon

Mar 14 · 04:G1:12 PM

&ost eole of Irish ancestry

also aren-t a%are of rish i))i&rants ein& used in our &oern)ent-s &eno!ide !a)pai&n

a&ainst the First Bations' The irony is heartrea*in&' Diide and !onuer is al%ays su!!esful

%hen you ta*e t%o different !o))unities and pro)ise a!!ess to the )ainstrea) to one, as lon&

as they perse!ute the other' 7reat diary, than*s'


Hne%I

Ao( blueoregon

Mar 14 · 0G:31:22 PM

An0 the use of Irish by the British

as part of their !olonialis) and &eno!ide a!ross the &loe'


Hne%I

<anis b

Mar 14 · 04:G:42 PM

+our 0iaries

are a treasure' so )u!h en;oy ho% you e=pose intelle!tual dishonesty and un)ista*eale

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Hne%I

"hauncey #e$ega <anis bMar 14 · 0:22:G0 PM

how in0 of you, your goo0 energy an0 that of

others *eeps us &oin&' also learn a &reat deal fro) the &reat !o))enters here'

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fenway5F

Mar 14 · 0G:0:41 PM

A great 0iary

nd a &reat seri!e' For a little )ore on this and )ore ile antirish !artoons5, people !an

ta*e a loo* at )y diary fro) a year and !han&e a&o'

hae no patien!e %hatsoeer %ith rish)eri!ans %ho are hostile to other &roups sufferin&

dis!ri)ination, or %ho eliee today-s Repuli!an Party offers anythin& %orth hain&'

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"hauncey #e$ega fenway5F

Mar 14 · 0:24:0 PM

the funny thing is how the Irish were;are

ery sy)patheti! to the la!* freedo) stru&&le' fol*s for&et their role in the aolitionist

!a)pai&ns and ho% Arother Dou&lass and others had to see* san!tuary in reland'

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Mar 14 · 11:1J:21 PM

Boston

Don-t for&et Aoston durin& s!hool dese&re&ation period' Bot our est )o)ent in history'

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fenway5F t/0ouble00

Mar 1G · 01:24:12 PM

8ranly

&et ery tired of this' Cou-re tal*in& aout t%o i)poerished uran nei&horhoods in an issue

that %as as )u!h aout !lass as ra!e' terrile )o)ent in our history, for sure, ut so )any

people a!t as if it defines .Aoston. and .rish. for all ti)e

+haun!eydee&a is ri&ht, thou&h' re!all readin& aout a un!h of la!* *ids fro) Aoston

traelin& to Aelfast throu&h a pro&ra) desi&ned to pro)ote !ultural understandin& and ein&

sho!*ed to see )urals of MK and Mal!ol) U near the Falls Rd' t neer o!!urred to the)

anyone .rish. %ould support la!* stru&&le' Aut een here the .rish. %ere )u!h less

)onolithi! than is &enerally presu)ed'

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0uhban

Mar 14 · 0G:3:3 PM

I stan0 by my initial reaction to Ryan

if that &uy is the -intelle!tual saiour of the 7<P- then )y !ats are MEB8 ro!*et s!ientists'


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Ao( 0uhban

Mar 14 · 0:0:24 PM

(hey're robably less of a socioath






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Hne%I

R rugosa alba Ao(

Mar 14 · 0:33:0 PM

so true

)y !ats are so .!ruel. to their tiny rodent prey, ut it-s their feline nature' suspe!t that a%ful

.playin& %ith the food. is serin& so)e iolo&i!al fun!tion of tri&&erin& the &astri! ;ui!es

needed for di&estion, not %anton !ruelty, as is the !ase %ith Ryan and his il*'

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.esse"W R rugosa alba

Mar 14 · 0?:12:4 PM

(hey're trying to a:oi0 getting bitten,

<ne &ood !ho)p fro) a %ounded rat !an &et infe!ted and end a !at in the %ild'

8o, ;ust li*e %oles nip at their prey to %ea*en it'''!at spi*e it repeatedly %ith their !la%s -till

they-re sure it-s dead'

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Hne%IRetroacti:e 6enius 0uhban

Mar 14 · 0:14:0? PM

#amn right

Ryan is an intelle!tual nullity' !rude, spiteful )an of no aility ut one: the aility to su!*le

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8o in!apale of intelle!tual ri&or is Ryan that he sees no !ontradi!tion et%een fealty to the

ile, a)oral selfishness of the !harlatan and hypo!rite yn Rand and !lai)in& to e a -deout-

+atholi!'

Ryan has either not read The 8er)on on The Mount or failed to understand it'

n short, Ryan is a dolt, a hypo!rite, a parasite and a proen liar'

e should do all %e !an to support Ro Yeran and &ie this odious )an his %al*in&papers'

Ryan %ill e strai&ht onto in&nut elfare, thro%in& a s!are into the rues and the arely

literate %ith his litany of lies and u&ly fantasies' Fu!* hi)'


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howabout Retroacti:e 6enius

Mar 14 · 0:2:3J PM

I fin0 this articularly at,

yn Rand %as a ile a)oral !harlatan and hypo!rite ut she %as still )ore honest than Paul

Ryan e!ause she did not !lai) 6esus'

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"hauncey #e$ega 0uhban

Mar 14 · 0:23:1 PM

0on't gi:e the cats any i0eas K

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Mar 14 · 0:3:G2 PM

lol too late LK

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Hne%I

chmoo0 "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 1G · 0?:0J:34 M

A*WA+) goo0 a0:ice9

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(Rs"ousin 0uhban

Mar 14 · 0?:44:24 PM

I 0efinitely ha:e no 0oubt about your cats,,,

re)e)er that Be%t 7in&ri!h %as also hailed as the .intelle!tual. of the Repuli!an partyhe

%ho !lai)ed that %o)en %eren-t suitale for )ore serious )ilitary seri!e e!ause they .&ot

si!*. on!e a )onth'Ryan has a A8 fro) Mia)i >niersity in e!ono)i!shoo oy, a) i)pressed as to his

!redentials, too'

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tory

Mar 14 · 0:00:1? PM

RE (he "ommitments

Do you not &et it, lads The rish are the la!*s of Europe' nd Duliners are the la!*s of

reland' nd the Borthside Duliners are the la!*s of Dulin' 8o say it on!e, say it loud: -)










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la!* and -) proud'

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Hne%I

tory tory

Mar 14 · 0:14:3 PM

ooos

uoted fro) the !hara!ter, 6i))y Rait

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Hne%I

)otto$oce tory

Mar 14 · 0:00:44 PM

%ne of the greatest moments in a

Really &reat fil)'

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olacoma 0em tory

Mar 14 · 10:2:0J PM

ooh1 cleane0 u the language a bit1 0i0 you? nt

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%ne of your most owerful osts,

nd that-s sayin& so)ethin&' terrifi! ta*edo%n of Ryan-s si!* ;o*e of a .philosophy. on

poerty'

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howabout

Mar 14 · 0:44:GJ PM

(his may soun0 ingenuous,

%as orn in 1?G3 in rural Mi!hi&an, %hite and fe)ale and poor'

%as ery little %hen reali/ed oys %ere !onsidered etter than &irls' ell, that )ade no

sense' thou&ht %hen %as older and s)arter %ould see the sense in it'

hite s*in %as !onsidered superior to la!* s*in' This too %as nonsensi!al, ut %hat did

*no%' 8o)eday %ould see the sense in it'

a) 0 years old and *no% that little &irl %as ri&ht and the so!alled adults %ere %ron&'

Than*s +DL'

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slatsg

Mar 14 · 0:4J:23 PM

(hans for the 0iary

The rish %ere not the only inhaitants of the Aritish sles %ho on!e re&arded as less than

!iili/ed' The +elts , the Aritons, the n&les, the 8a=ons and other assorted &roups %erere&arded in an!ient ti)es as saa&e and in!apale of ein& fully !iili/ed' Perhaps those

an!ient !riti!s %ere !orre!t'

<f !ourse %ith )y 8loene and 8%edish roots, alon& %ith Fren!h and rish a!*&round, hae

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s for Paul Ryan, hae little dout that he %ould hae any prole) deni&ratin& a parti!ular

%hite ethni! &roup if he felt it %ould enefit hi) politi!ally' ll one had to do is study history

of the laor )oe)ent to see ho% different ethni! &roups %ere set a&ainst ea!h other'

Than*s a&ain'

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chmoo0 slatsg

Mar 1G · 0?:10:30 M

+ou're saying it's all the fault of the 8rench?

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slatsg chmoo0

Mar 1G · 0?:G:G M

Are you suggesting it isn't?

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sny

Mar 14 · 0:G2:4? PM

nean0erthals

he "eanderthal ph#sical characteristics of the native Irish-'''

ts interestin& that they used to asso!iate .lo%er. ra!esQethni!ities %ith neanderthal lood' eno% *no% ased on DB studies that la!* fri!ans are the only )a;or &roup of people today

that hae no Beanderthal lood'

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$isceral sny

Mar 14 · 0J:GJ:3 PM

an0 racists are starting to shift on ean0erthals

dra%in& attention to their alle&ed artisti! te)pera)ent and sayin& the Beanderthals are %hat

ended up )a*in& the differen!e et%een la!*s and eeryone else'

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.esse"W $isceral

Mar 14 · 0?:1:1G PM

(urns out1 most retaine0 ean0ethal #A

that %e *no% the purpose of5 has to do %ith our i))une syste)s and produ!tion of !ertain

en/y)es'

Aasi!ally, populations of )odern hu)ans outside of fri!a that asored Beanderthal &enes

held on to the stuff that )ade us etter at resistin& Eurasian u&s'

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Mar 14 · 0?:GG:23 PM

As someone who robably has a fair amount of the

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Beanderthal &eno)e, than*s to Fren!h and 7er)an an!estry, %onder ho% Beanderthal !a)e

to e su!h a %hippin& oy in our storehouse of ethni! slurs

Differen!e, po%er differential, )inority status perhaps

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(he%ther&a:en (Rs"ousin

Mar 1G · 12:40:G0 M

Ugliness

.They don-t loo* li*e us. V .they-re u&ly.' t didn-t help that the first Beanderthal s*eleton to e

dis!oered %as that of an old )an adly !rippled y arthritis, %hi!h led to the false i)pression

of Beanderthals as sha)lin& .ape)en.'

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(Rs"ousin (he%ther&a:en

Mar 1G · 0?:03:1 PM

)igh,,,

neer thou&ht %as that adloo*in&''''

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0c

Mar 14 · 0:0:G? PM

Wow

Eery hi&h s!hool and uniersity student should e )ade to read this' This is not only an

e=!ellent essay ut the %ritin& is of su!h uality that it is a!!essile een to the youn&' Aest

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0armau

Mar 14 · 0:30:14 PM

Paul Ryan a self 0enier

Ryan suried e!ause of the 7oern)ent elfare syste) after his father died'''ut distan!es

hi)self fro) that and used undefendale ra!ial slurs to !reate an een &reater diide and

-allo%- poor %hites a sense of superiority that really &oes a!* to the !iil %ar era' t-s *ind of

li*e theypoor %hites5 *eep tellin& the)seles %ell he-s not tal*in& aout )e, so )ust eo*ay, een thou&h they are a!tually irds )aye of a different feather ut layin& in the sa)e

situation and )any ti)es een %orse' Kee t%ater tal*ed aout those who :ote0 6%P %hile

not otin& their o%n est interest and that the6%P *ea0ers @*AU6H(E# at (HE&.' 8ee

the Kee t%ater story on the net y PA8, he %as 7eor&e (' ' Aush-s pre presidential politi!al

adisor'

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helIm0rowning

Mar 14 · 0:34:1? PM

&ost e/cellent iece of wor here9 (han you, n;t

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&a<or 7ong

Mar 14 · 0:44:1J PM

&y father grew u ethnic in the =F34s

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s he-s des!ried it to )e, if you %ere Keanese in the 1?G0s you %ere aout one not!h aoe

la!*'

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aya3 &a<or 7ong

Mar 14 · 10:3G:G1 PM

)ame for the )icilians1 or nearly

My &randfather-s .ra!e. on the ship-s )anifest that rou&ht hi) to BC %as 8' European'

People %ho assi)ilate %ant to e %hite' My father-s &eneration and his father-s %ere all aout

-passin&-' They sa!rifi!ed a lot for that, and e!ause T(EC )ade it, they !an-t understand %hy

<ther People, %ho, as they point out, hae een in this !ountry lon&er than they hae, !an-t

)a*e it too'

8eriously, that-s the line you-ll &et' <T<(, re)e)erin& ery i!ious ethni! ;o*es in the 0s,

ein& literally spat at and hain& +atholi!is) !onsidered un)eri!an to find )y il*

!onsidered lily %hite is, %ell ironi!'

!onstru!t, indeed' nd ery ery fluid'

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ran0allt

Mar 14 · 0:G3:3G PM

An e/cellent e/amle

<f %hy !o)e here'

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Mar 14 · 0J:0G:20 PM

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#amn history anyway9

Ryan %as spea*in& of hi)self and his an!estors, too fri&&in funny'&%ahahahahaha, %hat a

)arooon'

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Balance an0 Aban0on

Mar 14 · 0J:1J:3J PM

A goo0 remin0er

<f %ho the ene)y really is'

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8og"ity.ohn

Mar 14 · 0J:24:1 PM

Ryan an0 "atholic social <ustice

%as raised Ro)an +atholi!' %ent to paro!hial s!hool for years and %as tau&ht y nuns'

&ae up the R++ lon& a&o, ut !an tell you that the nuns %ho tau&ht )e %ould re!o&ni/e

nothin& +atholi! in Paul Ryan-s politi!al eliefs'

The +atholi! tea!hin& re!eied ste))ed fro) the idea that one !annot a!hiee salation

ased on faith alone' i& diidin& point et%een +atholi!s and so)e Protestants'5 nstead,

you %ill only enter heaen throu&h acts of faith' Most i)portant a)on& these are %hat %ere

often !alled .&ood %or*s'. That )eant loin& your nei&hor and, if ne!essary, sharin& %ith

hi) your )aterial &oods'

Bot on!e did eer hear any of )y +atholi! tea!hers e=press !on!ern that su!h !harity to the poor %ould !reate a !ulture of dependen!y' n fa!t, %e %ere supposed to e supportie of

anythin& that relieed the sufferin& of the poor and the si!*, and %e %ere supposed to

!ontriute our ener&ies to that effort'

8o Paul Ryan )ay !lai) to e a &ood rish +atholi!, ut unless the do&)a has !han&ed a hell

of a lot sin!e %as a *id, he )ust hae fallen asleep in !ate!his) !lass'

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(Rs"ousin 8og"ity.ohn

Mar 14 · 10:00:22 PM

Ryan ob:iously refers to o:erloo .esus's

in;un!tion to .feed )y la)s,. as %ell as .as )u!h as you hae done it to the least of these, )y

rothers, you hae done it unto )e'.

suspe!t Ryan follo%ed the for)s of +atholi!is) %ithout assi)ilatin& the sustan!e'

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"atesby

Mar 14 · 0J:31:40 PM

&any Irish were force0 into sla:ery

in the +olonies in the )iddle 1th +entury )ostly !hildren'

(o% soon people for&et their ori&ins, and ho% ui!* to ta*e a superior attitude'

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bon2oF3

Mar 14 · 0?:1:0? PM

in my oinion

i thin* the U fa!tor is ille&iti)a!y' Ala!* ille&iti)a!y rates GG years a&o %ere lo%er than %hite

rates no%' f a !hild is orn ille&iti)ate it puts it ehind the ei&ht all fro) irth'

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"ali)ista bon2oF3

Mar 14 · 10:1:2J PM

)o in =F3F1 things were better for

Ala!* people That al)ost sounds li*e the idiot %ho %as ar&uin& that Ala!* people %ere etter

off durin& slaery e!ause of inta!t fa)ilies'

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bon2oF3 "ali)ista

Mar 14 · 10:GG:11 PM

:an0erlaats is a cra2y fun0ie

-) an a&nosti!, ut you don-t hae to e a !hristian to *no% that out of %edlo!* irths are a

interra!ial )i&ht add5 so!ietal prole)'

My point is, if the la!* fa)ily suried lots of thin&s far %orse, %hy !an-t they surie no%

%hen thin&s are !o)paratiely etter'

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Mar 1G · 12:01:42 M

In the early 0ays of 0esegregation1 members of the

la!* )iddle !lass usiness o%ners %ere hurt y sudden !o)petition fro) %hite o%ned

usinesses' nd t%o parent households %ere the rule a)on& fri!an )eri!ans then'

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Aut, of !ourse, the )ore stale la!* so!ial stru!ture doesn-t e&in to )a*e up for the

astonishin& array of petty and )a;or hu)iliations that fri!an )eri!ans had to endure under

DE 6>RE se&re&ation'

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"ali)ista 0allas0unla

Mar 1G · 02:01:44 M

Aarently I'm missing the oint from

you and the <P' 8ay the stats uoted are !orre!t and I don$t necessaril# assume the# are5' 8o

hat does that hae to do %ith the )atter under dis!ussion in this diary re you and on/o

sayin& Ryan-s !on!lusion is )ista*en only due to his reasonin& n other %ords, it-s not the

la!* of %or* ethi! a*a shiftless Be&roes ut rather all the ay )a)as out there

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Ao( bon2oF3

Mar 1G · 12:0J:41 M

As an illegitimate chil0

thin* you-re tal*in& out your ass'

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"hauncey #e$ega bon2oF3

Mar 1G · 02:24:G1 Mconfusing effect an0 cause,,,

loe the )a&i!al &et )arried %ill sole stru!tural une)ploy)ent ar&u)ent' Marria&e is aout

so!ioe!ono)i!s and ho% fol*s !hoose to or not do so and )a*e a !al!ulation aout the

)arria&e )ar*et' 7et )arried &reat' Cou are still under resour!es andQor %ithout a ;o'

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&o of that for)ula' Far fro) ein& anythin& related to a thou&htful hu)an ein&, Paul Ryan is

;ust another raindead fear)on&er of the sort that the 7<P pu)ps out on a re&ular asis'

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"hauncey #e$ega E0)8

Mar 1G · 02:2G:3 M

than you, ha0 to be sai0, surrise0 more t: an0

hi&h profile tal*in& heads hae not pi!*ed up on his oious hypo!risy'

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$isceral

Mar 14 · 0?:32:G2 PM

more cometition at the bottom than the to

hen the fear of fallin& farther loo)s lar&er in your i)a&ination than the hope of risin& hi&her,

your )oral !al!ulus !han&es' The rish didn-t %ant the la!*s to push the) fro) se!ond to last

to dead last and %ere %illin& to )a*e !o))on !ause %ith ra!ist n&los to do it' 8adly it

)a*es sense for oth parties: the rish li*e the Fren!h and 7er)ans efore the) and the

talians, Poles, 6e%s, and sians after the)5 &et to prote!t their position in the ra!ialQethni!

hierar!hy a&ainst displa!e)ent fro) elo% and then open the door to real adan!e)ent, and

the n&lo elite &ets to %in oer potentially anta&onisti! )inorities %ho )i&ht other%ise

threaten their o%n do)inan!e'

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Uncle &o<i

Mar 14 · 0?:3G:G0 PM








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Brilliant 0iary, )ot on,

>p until the 1?G0s, not that lon& a&o for so)e of us5 (arard +olle&e %ould not a!!ept

anyone %ith an rish surna)e for e)ploy in offi!es, een lo% payin& !leri!al positions'

*no% so)eone %ho %as turned a%ay for %or*, told .This is not the pla!e for you. y the

Personnel <ffi!e, despite her hi&h s*ill and edu!ation, %hen pressed, the personnel offi!ial said

.Cou are a pretty youn& lady, ut %e don-t hire rish'. 8he responded, .Aut, -) not rish, )y

husand is rish, -) Fren!h'. (e replied .t doesn-t )atter, your na)e is rish, you-re rish'

e do not hire the rish'.

Paul Ryan, this is your history'

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aya3 Uncle &o<i

Mar 14 · 10:3:14 PM

"an I rec this more than once1 lease? n;t

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stereoticon

Mar 14 · 0?:3?:32 PM

6angs of ew +or

(e-s a )odern day Aill the Aut!her'

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Mar 14 · 0?:40:3 PM

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nd &uess %hat day is !o)in& up )t, Patric's #ay %hen people !elerate the drun*en rish

and )a*e sure you %ear &reen'

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)i/ty )omething

Mar 14 · 10:04:00 PM

A chauncey0e:ega ne:er 0isaoints,

Than* you'

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"hauncey #e$ega )i/ty )omething

Mar 1G · 02:2G:G? M

0on't mae a blac man blush K

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U"oming

Mar 14 · 10:20:14 PM

#i:i0e an0 conuer

This is a &reat e=a)ple su))ary of ho% the upper !lass has and !ontinues to defeat the rest of

us' t is a standard R ta!ti!''' Diide and +onuer' Ces, !lass %arfare is real and on&oin&'

The po%erful elites )anipulate the rest of us y &eneratin& !onfli!t a)on& us oer .so!ial

issues. so our fo!us and ote5 is turned a%ay fro) the fa!ts of ein& e!ono)i!ally pilla&ed'

The rish )ena!e, the talian )ena!e, the Puerto Ri!an )ena!e, the !o))unist )ena!e, the

Ala!* )ena!e, the dru& )ena!e, the 7ay )ena!e, the Fe)inist )ena!e, the atheist )ena!e,

et!' et!'

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There is no )ena!e a)on& us' The real )ena!e is the po%er elite %or*in& to !ontinually

diide us and distra!t us fro) %hat )atters in the sphere of &oern)ent poli!y and

e!ono)i!s5''' %ealth and po%er'

8adly, %e neer oer!o)e the )anipulation' s a %hole %e neer see that %e are !ontinually

diided and pitted a&ainst ea!h other to a!!o)plish the ai)s of the po%er elite' 8o!ial issues

are a distra!tion fro) the real issues' That is the )essa&e that has to e!o)e the )e)e of a

&eneration' That is %hat it %ill ta*e for the people to &ain a!* the o%nership and po%er of

their o%n &oern)ent'

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&unynn

Mar 14 · 10:G4:3 PM

Paul Ryan is frightene0 of losing White Pri:ilege

E=!ellent diary,chauncey0e:ega,'

Ti) ise has an e=!ellent site aout %hiteness' Readin& Peggy &cIntosh's >neilin&

the Invisible %napsack of White &rivilege %as also helpful in )y !ounteratta!*s to the Ted

Bu&ents and Paul Ryans of -Meri!a'

hae a !o%or*er is is sadly uite o!al in his denun!iation of affir)atie a!tion' Mind you,

he lo%s hard into a do& %histle, ut re!o&ni/e the +ode' (e is of rish an!estry, and ;ust

don-t need to fan the fla)es of %hat !ould e a hostile %or* eniron)ent' hae %anted to say

that !o)pared to MC Aritish and 7er)an &eneti!s, he is of the lesser -%hite- s!ale' (e is

+atholi! li*e Paul Ryan, and )ay e a%are of ho% the rish %ere treated, ut see)s to t%ist it

in a %ay as 6>8TFCB7 his treat)ent of others' &uess as a .%e suried., so it-s not so ad'

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Mar 14 · 11:0G:0J PM

A 0iary I nee0e0 to rea0

-e een listenin& to rea!tions to Ryan-s state)ent and feelin& in!reasin&ly frustrated' thin*

it-s a pretty transparent atte)pt to distra!t fro) the !onersation aout in!o)e ineuality'

nstead of addressin& that prole), Ryan points in the other dire!tion at fi!tional .inner !ity.

la!* and ro%n people %ho don-t %ant to %or*' t-ll %or* %ith his ase, no dout' t-ll %or*

%ith his donors' Than*fully, Aarara Kee and the +A+ loudly !alled hi) out on it' t least

his )essa&e %on-t e )et %ith silen!e' De)s and pro&ressies need to *eep pointin& out the

truth that poerty affe!ts %hites and people of all ra!es9 that it-s not &oin& a%ay y the

pullin& up of none=istent oot straps9 and that !onseraties don-t %ant to address poerty

e!ause they %ant all puli! resour!es !hanneled into priate hands'

thin* so)eone needs to thro% the Pope-s re!ent state)ents on poerty and !apitalis) in Paul

Ryan-s ra!ist fa!e so he at least is sha)ed y a fello% +atholi!'

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anon445

Mar 14 · 11:3J:0 PM

I remember going bac an0 forth with

a !o))enter on another oard aout the alle&ed lo%er of (ispani!s' -) %hite and )y

dau&hter is adopted fro) 7uate)ala, so, -ll !op to the fa!t that %asn-t e=a!tly a deta!hed

oserer9 as the Repuli!ans li*e to pontifi!ate, had so)e .s*in in the &a)e'.5 8ettin& aside

the de)onstrated !ultural and edu!ational ias of the test, %as flu))o=ed that this person

thou&ht eeryone %ho happened to spea* 8panish the definition of .(ispani!.5 fro) 8pain

and lar&e !hun*s of the estern (e)isphere !ould e !onsidered &eneti!ally inferior %henthey are as &eneti!ally dierse as Europe is' The fa!t that it-s a !ate&ory ased upon lan&ua&e

should e a )a;or !lue it-s an a!!ident of i)perialis) that so )any people in the estern

(e)isphere hae 8panish as their natie lan&ua&e' f the 7er)ans or the +hinese had &otten

here first and een ale to !onuer and e=ploit the people here, they %ould hae een spea*in&

7er)an or Mandarin' nd, if the people of the estern (e)isphere had !rossed the tlanti!

the other %ay, %ouldn-t )ost of Europe e spea*in& ue!hua Aeliein& that intelli&en!e













%hateer T(T is5 is ased upon ethni!ity is one of the du)est !on!epts hu)ans hae eer

!o)e up %ith' Eer'

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(he%ther&a:en anon445

Mar 1G · 12:GG:42 M

&ore liely ahuatl or &ayan

&ien that the Ta%antinsuyu .n!as.5 %ere a ery lon& %ay fro) the tlanti! thou&h their

e)pire did run do%n to the Pa!ifi! and they )ay hae done so)e o!!asional tradin& %ith

Pa!ifi! slanders5'

Bone of the &reat Mesoa)eri!an !iili/ations %ere stron& on shipuildin&, %hi!h is one reason

%hy they didn-t &o out tryin& to e=ploreQ!onuer the rest of the %orld' nd &ien that the

+ariean is one of the %orld-s )a;or hurri!ane spa%nin& &rounds in fa!t the na)e

.hurri!ane. is Mesoa)eri!an and proaly Mayan it-s not too surprisin& that they %ere slo%

to deelop lar&e %ater !raft'5

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(he%ther&a:en

Mar 1G · 01:00:1G M

(ommy &aem coul0 ha:e tol0 him a thing or two

They Told >s Bo rish Beed pply

Kyri!s: To))y Ma*e)

6ust thin* of all the presidents %ho !a)e fro) rish fol*

There %as ilson and Au!hanan, there %as 6a!*son, 7rant and Pol*

There %as +leeland and M!inley and the rae 6a!* ennedy

nd )any )ore %hose na)es hae ;oined that &oodly !o)pany

+horus:

nd they told us no rish need applyN

Ces, they told us no rish need applyN

















Cou-e heard aout 6a)es +urley, that )an of &reat reno%n

nd (oney Fit/, %ho proed his %orth as Mayor of Aoston to%n

nd Rose and Ted and Ao and 6a!* and all the ennedy !lan

nd the nole 6ohn M!+or)a!*Z, %ho is honored throu&h the land

+horus

Did you *no% 6ohn (an!o!*-s fa)ily !a)e fro) the +ounty Do%n

nd !o)poser Li!tor (erert, he %as orn in Dulin to%n

nd the lood in Day +ro!*ett-s eins %as rish throu&h and throu&h

nd +onnie Ma!*, the aseall &reat, %ell he %as rish too

+horus

The father of the nay, 6ohn Aarry %as his na)e

(e %as a &allant rish)an, fro) e=ford to%n he !a)e

To the )any rish &iants in the literary field

Cou !an add F' 8!ott Fit/&erald and the &reat Eu&ene <-Beill

+horus

heneer people tal* aout &reat seri!e to )an*ind

Bo dout, the na)e of Aoston-s +ardinal +ushin& !o)es to )ind

nd Do!tor Tho)as Dooley should e leader of the an

(is entire life %as spent in helpin& out his fello% )an

+horus

n the nole art of selfdefen!e, as you-ll already *no%

e had )en li*e 6ohn K' 8ullian, %ho neer feared a foe

nd &entle)an 6i) +orett %as a)on& the ery est

Ki*e%ise the old 7ene Tunney and 6a!* De)psey and the rest

+horus

e-re the )en %ho uilt the railroads, %e-re the )en %ho fou&ht the %arse-re the )en %ho )anned the poli!e for!e, %e-re the )en %ho droe street !ars

e-re the )en %ho for)ed your unions, %e-re the )en %ho san& your son&s

e-re the )en %ho filled your history and tried to ri&ht your %ron&s

+horus



Z 6ohn M!+or)a!* V the uintessential .rish Tenor.'

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i//er

Mar 1G · 01:2:14 M

I calle0 myself - with an agen0a1 to be sure -

.)i=ed ra!e. on a fe% o!!asions' Really 8ure )y father %as of En&lish an!estry, )y )other

a 8la' 8+BDK<>8N People )o!* this that-s not )i=ed ra!eN 8las and En&lish are oth

hiteN ell, %hen they )arried it %as a )i=ed )arria&e 1?4G' hat does that tell us aout

%hat %e thin* of as .)i=ed )arria&es. no% That in a fe% de!ades, the youn& people %ill loo*

at their elders, un!o)prehendin&, unale to understand ho% anyone !ould thin* of their t%o

parents as ein& so)eho% different fro) ea!h other'

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chmoo0 i//er

Mar 1G · 0?:2:10 M

Irish sharecroer / English sla:er1 here

'''and a s!andal that &ot )y &rand)other diso%ned

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rontri

Mar 1G · 0G:3?:2 M

If human beings were logical an0 if they were

also inherently )oral then there %ould neer e a Ala!* Man or a 6e%ish Man or an rish Man

or ny o)an in todays Repuli!an Party'

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nd there neer %ould hae een any 6e%s in the Ba/i Party in the thirties'

Aut there %ere and there are'

There either is no 7od or he or she is !ertainly not held in any respe!t any )ore and )aye

neer really %as'

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terryhallinan

Mar 1G · 0:33:00 MRace Is ot A )ocial "onstruct1 Bigotry Is

There are no la!* and %hite ra!es' That is ra!is), not iolo&y'

hen Dar%in %rote aout ra!es of utterflies and een plants, he had so)ethin& entirely

different in )ind than the i&otry of +harles Murray'

+au!asian is a true ra!e ut it is not %hite' Most !au!asians hae ery dar* s*ins, e'&' naties

of 8outh sia'

The i&ots in the FD do enor)ous har) y !onfusin& +au!asian %ith %hite as do so!ials!ientists'

Do!tors typi!ally do not een other loo*in& for the +au!asian Disease, !ysti! firosis, in

!hildren %ith ery dar* s*ins'

(ey, do you *no% aout the +elti! +urse, !ollouially *no%n as iron oerload

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rish should aoid 7uinness, %hi!h is loaded %ith iron' (o% %ould you li*e to announ!e that

in a Dulin pu

AT the hated En&lish also !arry the )utation thou&h not the superior !ulture' :5

h %ell sti!* %ith your i&oted e=pressions as you %ill' Cou oiously are not a ad person,

;ust a )ite !onfused'

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"hauncey #e$ega terryhallinanMar 1G · 04:04:34 PM

race an0 racism were in:ente0 categories that

are !odependent %ith one another in the )odern era' There is a &reat oo* Ra!is) a (istory

that s*et!hes this out' Lery short and a!!essile' t also does a &reat ;o of !onne!tin& anti

se)itis) to )odern ra!is)' The AA+ series Ra!is) a (istory %ould also e helpful'

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terryhallinan "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 1G · 0G:4:G4 PM

8alse

Dar%in des!ried a ra!e of utterflies' as that ra!is)

f only !au!asians are ulnerale to the !au!asian disease, %hat na)e %ould you li*e to

sustitute for this ulnerale su&roup of people .hite. doesn-t fit e!ause )ost !au!asians

are not re)otely %hite' (o% aout EurondianBorthern fri!anMiddle Eastern Bonra!e

Denial of s!ien!e is ery ad no )atter its sour!e'

t is a !ause of enor)ous loss of life and treasure'

su&&est a it of iolo&y and anthropolo&y untainted y ra!is) )i&ht e re%ardin& instead of

;ust listenin& to and sin&in& %ith the !horus of disse)lers that t%ist lan&ua&e to fit their

do&)a'

Ra!e and ra!is) are polar opposites as different as astrono)y and astrolo&y' +hoose

%hi!heer side you li*e'

Aest, Terry

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"hauncey #e$ega terryhallinan

Mar 1 · 0:32:G? Mstu0y this comment fols

Cou %ill e re%arded &reatly' )ean that' no% thy ene)y'

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terryhallinan "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 1 · 0J:3G:13 M

&y )on's (ransyl:anian 6irlfrien0 )aw Herself

uite %ell in our )irrors, !ontrary to popular notions'

t-s the rest of us that hae a prole)'

Aest, Terry

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wilywascal

Mar 1G · 0:04:0 M

Well researce0 an0 reference01 great analysis

penetratin& e=pos[ that un)as*s Ryan-s thinly !onstru!ted fa\ade' The in!lusion of thehistori!al !onte=t %as ni!ely done'

There are a fe% uestions aout it had, thou&h'

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fully sy)pathi/e %ith the senti)ent, ut do you thin* this state)ent is %holly a!!urate

'''leadin& )eri!an eu&eni!ists and ra!e s!ientists su!h as Madison 7rant@the author of the

infa)ous tra!t The Passin& of the 7reat Ra!e@osered:

s not the lo!*ed passa&e referen!ed a!tually attriuted .as Peter uinn notes. in your sour!e

7ien that the passa&e you used !ontains )ostly uinn-s %ords and analysis, and uinn is

already &iin& 7rant !redit for the uotes, shouldn-t that e the proper attriution here also

Ay the %ay, the !olonQdash in that lo!*ed uote should e a uotation )ar*Qdash'5

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"hauncey #e$ega wilywascal

Mar 1G · 04:0?:22 PM

I areciate the grammar olicing1 more

sustantie point is that la!* )eri!an hu)an !hattel had )any hundreds &loally5 trillions

of dollars in stolen laor ta*en fro) the)' This is )ost !urrent nu)er as !o)puted y

e!ono)ists' The la%suit y fro+ariean nations a&ainst European !olonialists for

reparations also has so)e &ood )etri!s too'

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(ere are so)e other )etri!s if you are so in!lined:

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Mar 1G · 0J:G2:31 PM

How 0o you ut a rice tag on something lie that?

don-t thin* you truly !an' Aut still don-t *no% if that state)ent is %holly a!!urate' The

>nited 8tates %as still ein& uilt after slaery ended, unless one %ere to set so)e aritrary





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date' Beither should the !ontriutions of others e dis)issed out of hand, in!ludin& other

)inorities that %ere e=ploited'

only point out &ra))ar errors and typos for diaries, and only those %here fi&ure the authors

%ould %ant to present the)seles %ell'

pointed out the attriution error e!ause readin& the passa&e %as in!on&ruous and so)e%hat

!onfusin& %ith the lead in proided, and e!ause thin* )ost authors %ould %ant to properly

and !orre!tly &ie !redit %here !redit is due'

n any !ase, li*ed the diary, and the intent %as to e helpful'

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Mar 1 · 12:G:GJ M

un0erstoo0, rea0 the articles an0 see how

e!ono)ists )a*e do su!h )etri!s' Either %ay the a)ounts are uneliealeesp' !onsiderin&

ho% la!* slaes %ere the sin&le lar&est .!apital. &ood in the !ountry at the ti)e'

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wilywascal "hauncey #e$ega

Mar 1 · 02:G:2J M

I actually 0i0,

Een thou&h the nu)ers !an ary %idely dependin& on %hat asis are ein& used for the

)etri!s, -) uite %illin& to a!!ept the esti)ates' (o%eer, esides those prole)s already

pointed out, another is that one needs the !orrespondin& fi&ures for the rest of the population to

)a*e any *ind of ;ud&)ents li*e the one you )ade' nd if those fi&ures are )ore than /ero

and they %ould e sustantial5, then it !an-t e %holly true' Thin* of it this %ay: ho% )u!h

)oney %ould )eri!a o%e Batie )eri!ans (o% )u!h the sianQKatino laorers %ho

%ereQare e=ploited Their !ontriutions shouldn-t e oerloo*ed'



















8o)eone re!ently asserted that fri!an)eri!ans )a*e up the a!*one of the De)o!rati!

party, ut proided no eiden!e to sustantiate su!h a !lai)' Lie%ed fro) a narro%

perspe!tie, that )i&ht e )ade true, ut fro) a roader perspe!tie, the a!*one is a!tually

)u!h )ore dierse, and )a*in& su!h a !lai) is e=!lusionary in failin& to re!o&ni/e the

!ontriutions of others'

To reiterate, fully understand the senti)ents ein& e=pressed, %hi!h fully a&ree %ithand

don-t %ant to di)inish the)ut at the sa)e ti)e lo&i! infor)s )e su!h !lai)s aren-t %holly

a!!urate'

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Mar 1 · 04:0:0 M

one claim nee0 not e/clu0e the other about

a people uniuely su;e!ted to hu)an !hattel slaery' nd %hose laor %as so aluale a !iil

%ar %as fou&ht to )onopoli/e and se!ure it'

Cour !lai)s are eerin& a it too !lose for )y taste to those %ho %ant to ar&ue aout serfs or

the %hite laorin& !lass hain& it easier than la!* slaes ased on daily !alorie !ounts' a)

not sayin& you are of the s!hool that %ould use su!h !lai)s in order to )ini)i/e la!*

sufferin&' t ;ust see)s a it too !lose to that s!hool of thou&ht for )e to %ant to en&a&e su!htypes of ar&u)ents'

Foner and others hae %ritten and spo*en a &reat deal aout la!* slaes ein& the nu)er one

!apital &ood and the trillions of dollars in stolen laor in !onte)porary ter)s' %ill trust their

pree)inent ;ud&e)ent and e=pertise'

(ere you %rote : .8o)eone re!ently asserted that fri!an)eri!ans )a*e up the a!*one of

the De)o!rati! party, ut proided no eiden!e to sustantiate su!h a !lai)'.

Lotin& data sustantiates the uniue and lon& standin& relationship that la!* fol*s hae %' the party' thin* so)e, )yself in!luded, %ould hae our alar)s raised y %hat !ould e read as an

effort to )ini)i/e la!* fol*s a!!o)plish)ents in the seri!e of so)e !lai) to a lieral and

fa!ile type of .in!lusion.'











hen one )ini)i/es la!* fol*s- uniue a!!o)plish)ents and ho% our laor and the Ala!*

Freedo) stru&&le %ere &iftsunrepaid y the %ayto all )eri!ans ta*e a step a!*'''%ay

a!*'

Perhaps others %ill !ontinue the !onersation %ith you'

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Mar 1 · 0:2:24 M

Well1 that's in0 of the roblem

%ith tryin& to hae an honest dis!ussion on these su;e!ts %ithout &ettin& applied so)e nasty

lael, no )atter ho% !areful one is to aoid &iin& the %ron& i)pression' s so)eone %ho has

fou&ht a&ainst ra!eaitin&, ra!is), or i&otry in any for) their entire life, it is al%ays

distressin& to see this, as it !an preent needed dialo&ue and the free e=!han&e of ideas' see

the sa)e prole) %ith supporters of Palestinian ri&hts or !riti!s of srael, %here false

alle&ations of anti8e)itis) to silen!e the) are li*e the oy %ho !ried %olf too often' That-s a

real sha)e, as !heapenin& the ter) in su!h a )anner only %or*s to os!ure the le&iti)ate

!ulprits and a ery real prole) that still persists to this day'

t-s ironi!, e!ause the point %asn-t to di)inish, i&nore, or dis)iss the sufferin& or

a!!o)plish)ent of fri!an)eri!ans in any %ay' t %as that the sufferin& and

a!!o)plish)ents of others shouldn-t e di)inished, i&nored, or dis)issed' fri!an)eri!ans

didn-t uild this !ountry on their o%n' &reat )any people %ho %eren-t fri!an)eri!ans

paid the ulti)ate pri!e for endin& slaery' ith the a!tiis) and support of a &reat )any

people %ho %eren-t fri!an)eri!ans, !iil ri&hts le&islation %as passed' The De)o!rati!

Party is a raino% !oalition, and %ould eually disa&ree %ith those %ho %ould atte)pt to say

its a!*one is )ade up of +au!asians, een thou&h that is y far its lar&est ra!ial lo!' don-tfind it %holly a!!urate %hen applyin& a ra!ial lens to define su!h ter)s, as it !an do a

disseri!e to the truth, and it )ay di)inish, dis)iss, or i&nore the !ontriutions of others'

To )e, people are people, no )atter %hat their ra!e, &ender, !reed, nationality or se=ual

orientation' <ur nation is &uilty of a &reat )any sins, ut, to )e, its treat)ent of indi&enous

peoples and fri!an)eri!ans are the &reatest9 a perpetual and eternal stain upon it'











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"hauncey #e$ega wilywascalMar 1 · 03:40:41 PM

you are 0igging the 0itch for yourself e:en

deeper'

you see) sin!ere' thus, i %ill try a&ain' %hat you are offerin& up is ery !lose to .lieral

ra!is).' if that is not your intent' rethin* your need to di)inish the a!!o)plish)ents of others,

esp' %hen su!h a )oe is not ne!essary, needed, or %el!o)e in this !onte=t'

you re)ind )e of so)eone attendin& a tal* on afri!ana)eri!ans %ho self )anu)itted and

too* their freedo) %here a %hite person in the audien!e stands up and as*s the presenter,

.%hat aout the %hite people %ho helpedN.

ad loo*' said person e)arrassed the)seles e!ause they had a need to find so)e &oodness

in people %ho loo* li*e the) in order to under!ut the narratie' e&o' totally'

There is so)e real %hite priile&e and the %hite ra!ial fra)e is at %or* and operatie in your

!o))ents'

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Mar 1 · 0:24:24 PM

I see you e0ite0 the lea0 in to the uote

nd that-s &reat' Aut you-re still )is!hara!teri/in& )e and )y position' nd you-re atta!*in&

)e, not the ar&u)ents'

Cou-re not )a*in& the !ase that fri!an)eri!ans .uite literally uilt the >nited 8tates'.

uestioned %hether that !lai) is %holly a!!urate' ar&ued, .Beither should the !ontriutions

of others e dis)issed out of hand, in!ludin& other )inorities that %ere e=ploited'. Cou failed

to de)onstrate ho% your !lai) is not doin& that' nstead, you turned that around on its head to



















)a*e the spe!ious ar&u)ent that a) di)inishin& the a!!o)plish)ents of fri!an)eri!ans,

%hen, in fa!t, a) doin& no su!h thin&'

Cou )ade the initial !lai), and the urden of proof lies %ith the person )a*in& the !lai), not

those uestionin& its a!!ura!y' The lin*s to the fi&ures you proide %ere a!!epted as fa!tual,

ut they only proide )onetary fi&ures for one &roup, and nothin& is proided for the )onetary

alues for the laor of all the other &roups' The ery fa!t that there %ould hae to e su!h

fi&ures for the other &roups a!tually disproes that fri!an)eri!ans .uite literally uilt the

>nited 8tates'. Cour !lai) leaes no roo) to allo% any !redit %hatsoeer for any other &roup'

Beither is any a!*no%led&)ent &ien that the >nited 8tates %as uilt on the &eno!ideQethni!

!leansin&Qde!i)ation of, and theft of lands fro), the indi&enous peoples %ho resided here for

)any !enturies'

This isn-t aout .findin& so)e &oodness in people %ho loo* li*e the),. or .%hite priile&e,. or

.the %hite ra!ial fra)e,. or .lieral ra!is),. or .%hite people %ho helped'. %ould stron&ly

!aution you a&ainst )a*in& any erroneous presu)ptions aout people you *no% nothin& aout'

The only thin& this is aout is uestionin& the a!!ura!y of your !lai)' f you !an-t proe it,

that-s fine' f that is )erely your opinion, that-s fine' Aut, either %ay, it shouldn-t e used as an

e=!use to )a*e slanderous insinuations'

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Mar 1 · 0?:12:4 PM

last try, really, you are :ery

)ired in the %hite ra!ial fra)e' i don-t thin* you een reali/e ho% %hat you are doin& is

o;e!tionale'

My !lai) isn-t e=!lusie to la!* fol*s' Aut %ere fri!an)eri!ans, a slae laor for!e, the

!o)petitie adanta&e, a sour!e of %or*, and uilt, yes, uite literally the puli! infrastru!ture,

puli! uildin&s, et!' et!' et!' in the >'8'

Da)n strai&ht' Did the transatlanti! slae trade !reate the )odern !onsu)er e!ono)y' Ces'

. %ould stron&ly !aution you a&ainst )a*in& any erroneous presu)ptions aout people you

*no% nothin& aout'.











;ud&e you y your !o))ents and !lai)s' 8ee )y aoe e=a)ples' Cou !an read those lin*s

fairly, loo* for Foner-s !o))ents on the alue of slaes as the nu)er 1 !apital &ood in the

>'8', or honestly refle!t on the %ell sprin& of your need to insert a narratie that di)inishes the

!ontriutions of la!* fol*s %' a ersion of lieral ra!is) operatin& under so)e fau=

.diersity. u)rella'

stand y )y oseration that you see) li*e you %ould e disruptie in a dis!ussion or le!ture

aout la!* self)anu)ission, raisin& your hand and de)andin& to hear aout %hite people'

hy is that

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Mar 1 · 03:30:1 M

+ou're finally a0mitting it isn't wholly accurate

%hen you )a*e this !larifi!ation:

My !lai) isn-t e=!lusie to la!* fol*s'

Een thou&h that isn-t refle!ted any%here in the %ords of your !lai), nor has een alluded to

or i)plied heretofore, %illin&ly a!!ept that !larifi!ation as your intent'

hile uestioned your !hara!teri/ation, it %as not to dispute that slaery and !ontinued

e=ploitation of fri!an)eri!ans !ontriuted enor)ously to the %ealth and deelop)ent of

the >'8' Moreoer, don-t uestion that )eri!a is deeply indeted to oth fri!an)eri!ans

and Batie )eri!ans' %ould also a&ree that the transatlanti! slae trade %as a )a;or

instru)ent in !reatin& the )odern %orld e!ono)y'

hile it is unfortunate that you !hose to )is!onstrue thin&s, your oserations, alle&ations,

and e=a)ples don-t apply to )e, nor !on!ern )e' do thin* those thin&s !an e un!ondu!ie to

fosterin& open dialo&ue, ho%eer'

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Mar 1 · 03:G4:GJ M

sigh1 you still 0on't get it,

The %hite ra!ial fra)e is one hell of a dru&'

The po%er of sele!tie editin&:

.My !lai) isn-t e=!lusie to la!* fol*s' Aut %ere fri!an)eri!ans, a slae laor for!e, the

!o)petitie adanta&e, a sour!e of %or*, and uilt, yes, uite literally the puli! infrastru!ture,

puli! uildin&s, et!' et!' et!' in the >'8'.

Kieral ra!is) is ery ery ery real' n )any %ays, far )ore dan&erous than !onseratie

ra!is)'''%hi!h is %hy !ontinued %ith this dialo&ue so that others %ill hopefully learn fro) it'

There are )any people %ho are deeply inested in di)inishin& the a!!o)plish)ents and

stru&&les and triu)phs of la!* people' Their strate&y hat are see)in&ly si)ply and

.inno!ent uestions. su!h as .%hat aout insert &roup.

Ri&ht%in& %hite supre)a!ists do this y oertly dis)issin& the Ala!* Freedo) 8tru&&le and

the reality of %hite ra!is)' Kieral ra!ists do this y an appeal to .diersity. and .in!lusion.'

Than* you %ily' Cou %ere ery helpful in proin& )y point'

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Mar 1 · 04:G0:G4 M

%h1 I get it alright,

The !lai) is e=!lusie, e=!ept %hen needin& proof it isn-t, ut then it is a&ain' Ma*es perfe!t

sense to )e' For those it doesn-t, they-re ra!ist'

Bot so sure %ant to &o do%n that rait hole, thou&h'

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&eglo0on

Mar 1G · 11:1G:2? M

Re Paul Ryan

.(e is intelle!tually dishonest9 .

8ee)s to e a lot of that &oin& around'

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(7%MMM

Mar 1G · 11:2:34 M

Being a ale Irish-American1

find the histori!al notion of a slidin& s!ale of .%hiteness. ery sad and )ore than a little

ridi!ulous'

-e read aout the pre;udi!e the rish i))i&rants fa!ed in )eri!a' also learned that reland

%as a net e=porter of food durin& the fa)ine to supply the notsoinisile hand of En&lish

)ar*ets' That surprised )e %hen read it, ut it shouldn-t hae' s sho%n y the re!ent food

sta)p !uts, starin& people to )a*e )oney is still an o;e!tie for so!alled .free )ar*et.

ado!ates'

Personally, thin* any rish)an %ho %as %orth a !rap %ouldn-t perpetuate these old, sad,

ra!ist notions' Aut then Ryan, %ith his !hildish yn Randinspired notions, isn-t )u!h of an

rish)an'

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Mar 1G · 11:G:40 M

Rea0ing this article is troubling1 in that it once



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a&ain rin&s to the forefront the issue of s*in !olor' nd ho% )any )illions hae een

)urdered oer the !enturies e!ause theirs happened B<T to e en o&ue %hen they %ere in

the %ron& pla!e at the .ri&ht. ti)e' lthou&h %e loe to loo* upon ourseles as enli&htened

and sophisti!ated, %e )ust re)e)er that %e The (u)an Ra!e is only as &ood a tea) as

our %orst and %ea*est )e)er Paul Kyin- et al5' This !an e rather depressin&' Aut it does

sho% us the type and a)ount of %or* %e still hae to do to eli)inate i&noran!e and hatred and

i&otry to the fullest e=tent possile' 7o to the polls eery Boe)er and %heneer your state

has a spe!ial ele!tion' That is a &reat startin& point, espe!ially for the apatheti! %ho de!ided a

lon& ti)e a&o that their otes %on-t )atter'

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ca0a:ra

Mar 1G · 02:2G:02 PM

We &ustn't 8orget,,,

'''Daid (uddleston-s spoton re)ar* in Mel Aroo*s- AKYB7 8DDKE8:

.ll ri&ht, %e-ll &ie so)e land to the ni&&ers and the !hin*sA>T E D<B-T BT T(E

R8(NN.

Fe% people today reali/e the histori! truth ehind that ;o*e'

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6rcoeeg

Mar 1G · 02:32:12 PM

%nce againa repuli!an proin& ho% u&ly and despi!ale they all are' Paul Ryan li*e all repuli!ans is

u&ly in thou&ht and spee!h' (e either spea*s his usual haitual repuli!an lies or his u&ly

repuli!an do&)a of hatin& eerythin& not %hite' hat a dis&ustin& little lyin& repuli!an

t%erp he is'

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scotts0alebubbe

Mar 1G · 03:03:4 PM

African-Americans were 0emoni2e0 by officials

in northern states after the +iil ar' There %ere pa)phlets %arnin& a&ainst the) as a

!ri)inal !lass and the sa)e pa)phleteers %arned a&ainst 6e%s, rish, talians, eastern

Europeans, et!'

n the 8outh, the %hite oerseers %ere often those released fro) Aritish prisons and prisons in

Aritish !olonies' suppose their attitude %as relief at ein& only indentured serants and

.etter than. the slaes'

8elfri&hteousness, needin& to feel etter than so)eone else for %ho they are at the e=pense of

those people or persons is and has een an )eri!an epide)i!' t has rea!hed epi! proportions

re!ently and is pra!ti!ally a !ult of i)a&ined i!ti)i/ation shared y illionaires, fau=

+hristians, an&ry old %hite &uys and their su)issie and it!hy at the sa)e ti)e5 %ies' t

ree*s of ;ealousy and eny %hile at the sa)e ti)e says, .-e &ot )ine, fyou BD -e &ot

)ine e!ause a) etter than you'. The fa!t that so)e selfri&hteous ahole &ot his or hers

)i&ht e due to the faorale stru!ture of politi!s, so!iety, ta= la%, et!' for hisQher &roup%hi!h, at the sa)e ti)e, does not hold the) a!!ountale for hain& enefitted on the a!*s of

others'

To the illionaires, the Ryans, the neo!ons, the !orporatist De)o!rats, the uerreli&ious, et!':

Don-t piss do%n )y ne!* and tell )e you are !reatin& rain to rea* the drou&ht'

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6eral0 )utliff

Mar 1G · 03:0:42 PM

When were Irish not white?

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7reat rant that'

The ar&u)ent adan!es, yet a&ain, that hu)ans see) to hae an inherent need to .e etter.

than others' e need a )a;or DB fi= if %e are surie'

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Benin)" 6eral0 )utliff

Mar 1G · 10:04:1? PM

I agree a 'fi/' is nee0e01 but if we ha:e to wait

for DB to do it, it )ay ta*e )ore &enerations than %e hae'

e hae to use our hearts, our )inds and our hu)an sentien!e to alter our !ultural and politi!al

DB in the ery short ter)'

e !ould use your help %ith the fi&ht, 7erald' ill you help us

el!o)e fro) the D Partners Mentors Tea) ' f you hae any uestions aout ho% to

parti!ipate here, you !an learn )ore at theno%led&e Aase or fro) the Be% Diarists Resour!es

Diaries' Diaries laeled .<pen Thread. are also &reat pla!es to as*' e loo* for%ard to your

!ontriutions'

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terryhallinan 6eral0 )utliff

Mar 1 · 0J:11:32 M

@White men trying to be Irish@ were

a )atter of !onte)pt for )y rish father' rish orn in this !ountry %ere not rish at all' (ell,

they didn-t een spea* the lan&ua&e' :5 used to hae to interpret often for )y %ife unale to

&et throu&h the heay ro&ue'

sh*ena/i HEuropeanI 6e%s are the latest !ultural &roup to turn %hite despite la!*in& the

oersi/e Beanderthal s*ulls of .real. Europeans :5 %hile ras and perhaps so)e 8panish

spea*ers hae turned off!olor'

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f you %ant to understand i&otry, you need to turn to the so!ial s!ien!es rather than old

fashioned s!ien!e li*e iolo&y' 8!ien!e deals %ith thin&s li*e &eneti!s that !ontradi!t ra!ist

notions of iolo&y'

Aest, Terry

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<aceloe

Mar 1G · 04:00:10 PM

Ra"ism1 IN (E)()

The test %as standardi/ed in a population of people in the >8 %ith a Bordi! a!*&round'

Further)ore, it does not test !reatiity, i)a&ination, drie, and )any other )easures for

ealuatin& !o&nition' Further)ore, it is heaily iased a&ainst people of arious ethni!,

!ultural, and e=periential &roups' For e=a)ple %e !ould test the -s of an ustralian

ori&inal and Mr Ryan, thro% the) into the ustralian outa!* then see if the s!ore has

any i)pa!t on surial' Do you thin*

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<c0e:il0og

Mar 1G · 04:0:40 PM

Illuminating

Than*s for the info: -d noted in readin& aout slaery ra!ial history that there see)ed to esi&nifi!ant lin*s in!ludin& )arria&es5 et%een rish and fri!ans in early )eri!a, ut didn-t

*no% that rish had also een slaes in the )eri!as'

My rish herita&e is one reason -) stron&ly in faor of euality for all people: it !ould also

!o)e fro) hain& een as*ed y !lass)ates at the elite uniersity attended on s!holarship5

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if they !ould &o ho)e %ith )e at rea*s .to see ho% the lo%er !lasses lie.' This *ind of

i&noran!e had a si&nifi!ant part in )oin& )e to the left politi!ally'

That said, people li*e Paul Ryan and unfortunately, )ost of our !urrent le&islators, !ii!

leaders and the po%er stru!ture &enerally5 are &enuinelyif to so)e e=tent %illfullyi&norant

of ho% %e B<+D .not our !lass, dear.5 !iti/ens lie and %hat our needs, %ants, and ailities

are' To !all anyone %ith this )indset an .intelle!tual. is lau&hale' ntelle!tualsand )ore

i)portantly, potential intelle!tuals!an !o)e fro) any ra!e or !lass, ut they hae to a!tually

use their intelli&en!e to %ei&h infor)ation and separate truth fro) fantasy or pre;udi!e' n the

%ords of )y dad, %hose fa)ily !ould only afford to send hi) throu&h th &radehe s*ipped

1st &rade so he his older rother !ould share a oo*.>se your head for so)ethin& esides a

hatra!*.5'

%ould ar&ue that the 7<P should )ore a!!urately use the na)e of a for)er party, the no%

Bothin&se=!ept that they profess to *no% so )any thin&s that are patently untrue andQor

none=istent'

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Benin)" <c0e:il0og

Mar 1G · 0?:G:G? PM

+es1 <c001 you ha:e a clear areciation of the

prole)N

Than* you for this insi&htful !o))entN




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Richar0B

Mar 1G · 04:0:40 PM

I won0er

ho% Mr Ryan !an follo% the tea!hin&s of yn Rand and the tea!hin&s of 6esus of Ba/areth at

the sa)e ti)e'

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$ic 6eorge 4=M Richar0B

Mar 1G · 0?:02:21 PM

)imle

'''he %ould hae to i&nore %hat 6esus said aout follo%in& t%o )asters, that he %ould loe the

one and hate the other, or hold onto the one and despise the other' Cou !an-t hae pure

+hristianity if you hae to )i= it %ith other eliefs'

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*ouisWu

Mar 1G · 04:21:00 PM

I remember seeing a olitical cartoon

fro) the late 1J00-s' t sho%ed .Kady Kierty. %ith a i& %ooden spoon, stirrin& a .)eltin&

pot. filled %ith ;ust aout eery ra!ial stereotype one !an i)a&ine' 8ittin& on the lip of the pot,

*nife in one hand, and a ottle in the other, %as a stereotypi!al rish)an' pparently )y

an!estors %ere not assi)ilatin& %ell'

My o%n last na)e, thou&h no% !onsidered rish, apparently ori&inated as a slur the Fren!hused to%ards the poor' My an!estors sou&ht out reland as a refu&e fairly early on'

Bo% there-s no%here left to run'

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terryhallinan *ouisWu

Mar 1 · 0J:2:04 M

)his from Irelan0 fille0 with 0ea0 an0 0ying

durin& the rish Potato Fa)ine %hi!h offloaded diseased suriors did not endear the rish to

the naties'

+an e a trial to assi)ilate under su!h !onditions'

Bo% there-s no%here left to run'

There neer %as'

'ngela$s 'shes %as a hu&e hit a)on& )eri!anorn rish +atholi!s ut not so )u!h a)on&

)y *in a!* in reland' <nly an rish)an !ould )a*e a !o)edy of su!h tra&edy ut its saa&e

ite did not do %ell een a)on& people *no%n for their selfdepre!atin& hu)or'

Aest, Terry

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tweenerF

Mar 1G · 0G:01:1? PM

o surrise

s anyone surprised My only surprise is that they haen-t e=tended this to li&hts*inned

(ispani!s already' Boti!e that in Katin )eri!an nations no%, the elite are li&ht s*inned, the poor are dar*' ith rates of inter)arria&e and the !on!ept of assi)ilationis), this %ouldn-t e

a stret!h for a Repuli!an !andidate to atte)pt'

Maye they-re %aitin& on 7eor&e P' Aush'''' Ted +ru/ andQor Mar!o Ruio !ould try no% if

they-d eer e)ra!e or a!*no%led&e their (ispani! herita&e'





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Its<ustmeagain

Mar 1G · 0G:33:0 PM

We thin of 6hettos as a lace for urban blacs,

hen %as raised in a BE +ity %e had )any &hettos: e had rish, talian, Poles, 7ree* and

%hateer nationally %as rou&ht oer on a oat to %or* in a )anufa!turin& !o)pany' Ea!h

had a )oderate to lar&e )anufa!turin& plant, )eat pro!esser or rail line head' My %ife %as

raised in a to%n outside Phila that had 4 +atholi! +hur!hes, one for ea!h ethni! &roup'Ea!h had a nei&horhood na)e' They !on&re&ated to&ether e!ause of lan&ua&e, they !ould

spea* to their nei&hors in their )other ton&ue and let the ne% &eneration learn En&lish' The

7hettos %ere the in!uator of today-s su!!esses %hile retainin& their ethni! herita&e'

People li*e Ryan are si)ply i&norant of %hat a 7hetto %as and only sees E!ono)i! 7hettos in

uran !ities' Does this person %ants to e a leader of this Bation 7ood 7od hope he neer

)a*es it'

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mahytabel

Mar 1G · 0:0J:0J PM

What many eole 0on't now

is ho% )u!h and ho% ui!*ly the rish assi)ilated and e!a)e part of the )eri!an )eltin&

pot' s a fa)ily historian %ith oer t%o de!ades spent resear!hin& and learnin& aout the soup

%e )eri!ans hae e!o)e, as far as it !on!erns nationalities, the rish and 7er)ans

per)eated our loodlines )u!h )ore ui!*ly than any other nationalities' <f %hite )eri!ansin this !ountry %ho !an !ount three or )ore &enerations here, oer GO hae at least a little

rish andQor 7er)an herita&e' hen you loo* at different se&)ents of our !ountry, as %e

settled farther and farther %est, you find )ore %hites %ith at least G0O of that )i= to e

!o))on' Many southern and %estern states hae %hite populations that are a )i= of

7er)anQrish and %hateer the predo)inant nationality asso!iated %ith the settle)ent of that

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area 8!ottish in states li*e entu!*y, Tennessee, the +arolina-s, et!', and the Bordi!

nationalities in the %estern states, su!h as o%a, Minnesota, the Da*otas, Beras*a, et!'5'

There is also the little re!o&ni/ed fa!t of %hat are *no%n as .the dar* %hites., espe!ially in the

south, %here se&)ents of the %hite population hae fri!an )eri!an lood in their personal

histories' fter the +iil ar )any of the li&ht s*inned e=slaes %ho !ould .pass. for %hite

)arried %hites and inte&rated )any southern fa)ilies %ithout their *no%led&e' These fa)ilies,

)any %ho tout their .pure an&losa=on herita&e., %ould proaly e appalled at ho% prealent

the pra!ti!e %as if they %ere truthful aout their fa)ily histories'

<f !ourse Repus either !hoose to re)ain una%are of these fa!ts or uietly pretend they don-t

e=ist, sin!e it %ould sully their )essa&e of intoleran!e and hate'

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<wnt/

Mar 1G · 0:23:0J PM

%h come now,,,

Ryan hasn-t e!o)e a De)o!rat, has he

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$ic 6eorge 4=M

Mar 1G · 0J:GG:1 PM

Hurray1 white eole also hate their own

8pea*in& as a %hite person )yself, it-s a)a/in&ly hypo!riti!al ho% %hite people, %ho are

supposed to e this &reat .)aster ra!e rotherhood of Euro+au!asianness., hae hated their

o%n and found reasons or should say e=!uses throu&h pseudos!ien!e5 to hate other &roups

of %hite people li*e the rish' t-s too ad this is a lesson that-s for&otten %ith people li*e Paul

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Ryan, ut you *no% %hat they say, people %ho don-t learn fro) history are doo)ed to repeat

it'

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R.R%W

Mar 1G · 0?:0?:3? PM

)uort economy at home

Maye this is a &ood pla!e to as* for eeryone-s help %ith )y petition, :!ut )ilitary spendin&

and reinest in )eri!a

8u;e!t: +ut )ilitary spendin& and reinest in )eri!a-s nfrastru!ture

(i,

<ur ele!ted offi!ials hae ne&le!ted our infrastru!ture far to lon&' +ontinuin& to do nothin&

%ill lead to a !atastrophi! e!ono)i! failure in the near future' e spend )ore on our )ilitary

than the ne=t fie i&&est )ilitary nations !o)ined' e !an )aintain our )ilitary superiority

and still !ut spendin&, all %e need is leaders to re!o&ni/e that this .!orporate %elfare. needs to

end'

That-s %hy !reated a petition to The >nited 8tates (ouse of Representaties, The >nited

8tates 8enate, and President Aara!* <a)a, %hi!h says:

.)eri!a-s infrastru!ture is ital to our e!ono)i! &ro%th and future' The !urrent state of our

infrastru!ture has een &raded a .D. y en&ineerin& &roups around the !ountry' +ut )ilitary

spendin& and reinest in our a&in& infrastru!ture, !reatin& tens of thousands of ;os and

preserin& our future' .

ill you si&n this petition +li!* here:

http:QQpetitions')oeon'or&Q'''

Than*sN

-s infrastru!ture.' (ere is the lin*, hope you %ill support it and share it %ith as )any people

as you !an' Bo% is the ti)e to put our needs here at ho)e first'

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southingtonian

Mar 1 · 12:03:4 M

=Fth century british attitu0e towar0 the Irish is

%ell e=e)plified in in&sley-s ater Aaies: .nd then Dennis %ill loo* up at you %ith his

handso)e, sly, soft, sleepy, &oodnatured, untrustale, rish &ray eye, and ans%er %ith the

prettiest s)ile:

#8hure, and didn"t thin* your honour %ould li*e a pleasant ans%er$

8o you )ust not trust Dennis, e!ause he is in the hait of &iin& pleasant ans%ers: ut, insteadof ein& an&ry %ith hi), you )ust re)e)er that he is a poor Paddy, and *no%s no etter9 so

you )ust ;ust urst out lau&hin&9 and then he %ill urst out lau&hin& too, and slae for you,

and trot aout after you, and sho% you &ood sport if he !an@for he is an affe!tionate fello%,

and as fond of sport as you are@and if he !an"t, tell you fis instead, a hundred an hour9 and

%onder all the %hile %hy poor ould reland does not prosper li*e En&land and 8!otland, and

so)e other pla!es, %here fol* hae ta*en up a ridi!ulous fan!y that honesty is the est poli!y'.

a)on& )any li*e referen!es e=poundin& on the stupidity drun*enness and dishonesty of the

rish'

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estrel sarhaw

Mar 1 · 01:0:44 M

Really beautiful

8u))ary of the %ay .ra!e. %or*s as a !onstru!t %hi!h shifts oer ti)e ut al%ays )ana&es to

a!t as a ;ustifi!ation for oppression' 8on&s li*e .Bo rish Beed pply.should hae *ept thehistory of that alie for people li*e Ryan, ut those %ho %ill not learn fro) history'''

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0moonc

Mar 1 · 01:32:2 M

White Un0erclass

Mu!h of the %hite )eri!an under!lass in pla!es li*e <*laho)a and est Lir&inia are rish or

rish 7er)an )i='

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f<b

Mar 1 · 02:22:44 M

(his all soun0s :ery much lie a2i 6ermanyL

&ie the people so)eone to hate to allo% the ne% &oern)ent to su!!eed' They should hope it

doesn-t a!*fire'

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Ebro f<b

Mar 1 · 02:2G:34 M

)o 0i0

<tto Lon Ais)ar!* in !reatin& 7er)any y de!larin& %ar on Fran!e' lso *eep that in )ind

%hen you asso!iate -7er)ans- %ith the rish' assu)e you )ean Aaarians ie 7er)an

+atholi!s, not Kutherans su!h as Prussians'

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ara0ise34 Ebro

Mar 1 · 11:41:04 M

,,,it gets comlicate01 0oesn't it?,,,

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(e/ Arcana

Mar 1 · 02:32:11 M

Paul Ryan,,,

'''deseres a retroa!tie aortion'

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)eanachi

Mar 1 · 11:G2:1? M

It's not that comlicate0,Paul Ryan-s ehaior is etter e=plained y the uniersal and lon&standin& instin!ts of hu)an

nature' Past pre;udi!es and their s!holarly supporters and detra!tors in!ludin& this arti!le are

)erely additional )anifestations of this'

(e is a &reedy, hypo!rite and opportunist of %hi!h all ra!es, !olors and !ultures hae a)ple

supply'

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HashHowar0

Mar 1 · 12:41:12 PM

+our #escrition of Ryan

@He is intellectually 0ishonestL ,,,@






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(is so!alled e)ra!e of yn Rand see)s )ore that he read the +liff notes and de!ided that

espousin& those !on!epts %ould help hi) to present an intelle!tual de)eanor'

n a!tual fa!t, e:erything that issues forth fro) his rain belies the ossibility of Paul Ryan

being an intellectual of any sort,

>nfortunately1 those who suort him and his il*, and ote for the 7<P and TP, are %hat

%ere, durin& the re!ent Presidential Ele!tion, !alleduninforme0 :oters, The saddest part of

this is that those fol*s hae no intention of infor)in& the)seles, as that %ould )ean they

)i&ht hae to ad)it they hae een %ron& for so )any years'

s the sayin& &oes, .More-s the pityN.

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Pun0itus &a/imus

Mar 1 · 12:4:0 PM

"onser:atism is racism,

There is no su!h thin& as a nonra!ist !onseratie'

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hermit3

Mar 1 · 12:G0:03 PM

&isinforme0 White America

nother fine oo* in i))i&ration is .or*in& To%ard hiteness: (o% )eri!a-s ))i&rants

Ae!a)e hite: The 8tran&e 6ourney fro) Ellis sland to the 8uurs. y Daid R' Roedi&er'

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ara0ise34 hermit3

Mar 1 · 02:G0:14 PM,,,thans for that boo title,,,




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Bartolome &e0ina 0e Balmoral

Mar 1 · 01:12:2J PM

Wow1 ne:er saw that harangue coming Jeye-rollK,,,

+haun!ey, in true )eri!a!entered ra!ial, !ultural and ethni! )yopia you .%ent there.'

.There. is the eerhandy, al%ays!onenient, !heapshot of %ho is %hite, not%hite, not

uite%hite )eri!an ie% of all .others. on the planet'

First of all, B< <BE on this planet &ies a da)n aout %hat )eri!ans thin* aout the) and

een less aout their ra!ial!ulturalethni! !oordinates or identity'

The prole) arises %hen %e PER88T in definin& and assi&nin& identity to others on the earth

%hen %e sill haen-t fi&ured out:

1''' %hat .la!*. is'''let-s not for&et the ays)al stupidity of the .1Drop Rul. %hi!h %as

!reated y syphiliti!, toothless, illiterate and nons!ien!e infor)ed slaeo%ners %ho drea)ed

up this stupidity to le&ally e=!lude their )ulatto offsprin& fro) inheritin& %hat their %hite

offsprin& %ould BD to in!rease their so!ial and politi!al pro)inen!e y addin& to their slae

!ount' <nly a )oron %ith %ith a 1st&rade edu!ation or a PhD in a .dis!ipline. as infor)ed as

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2'''that in the history of .)an. as a spe!ies on the PKBET, there has neer een a .Katino.

ra!e, ut in the >8 %e+T>KKC entertain BD institutionali/e su!h !laptrap and een

a%ard PhD-s to .intelle!tual. titans %ho %rite dissertations on su!h releant topi!s as .The

(istory of ss Tattoos in the ri/ona 8tate PenalQPenile +ulture., %hen B REKTC, there

are !ate&ori!ally .Katin!ultured. people %ho are of European <R ndi&enous <R 8u

8aharan fri!an .Ala!*. ori&in <R sian <R ELEB Middle Eastern an!estry'

3''''and lest %e for&et the os!enity of !lassifyin& so)eone as .Batie)eri!an., .)eri!an

ndian. or .1st Bation. %ho is 1Q2Gth .ndian.'

8o %hile you )a*e )any ra!eripe .oserations., %ould su&&est you loo* at a !lo%n li*e

Ryan for the intelle!tuallyli)ited, !ulturallyi&norant, proin!ial and e)arrassin&, )id

%estern uffoon that he is'

(e ery sadly5 has for&otten his o%n history of poerty, fa)ilial dysfun!tion and personalsufferin& %hi!h is REKKC %here his !hara!ter fla%s !o)e fro), B<T fro) his ra!ial

a!*&round''''B<T T KKN

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Ebro

Mar 1 · 02:1?:G M

I 0on't now if this has been sai01 too many

!o))ents to read, ut the preLati!an !atholi! !hur!h had so)e serious stri*es a&ainst it'

Most of all, they prea!hed a&ainst de)o!ra!y' nd se!ondly, %hile )any in this !ountry don-t

!onsider this a stri*e, ut do not see the fun or any other reason for drun*eness' The !ri)e

rate a!tually %ent up %ith !atholi! i))i&ration as a result of their la= al!ohol poli!ies' t

therefore doesn-t surprise )e that people thou&ht they !ouldn-t or shouldn-t5 assi)ilate' Ai&ots

!an perse!ute ea!h other, you *no%'

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(igger (oo

Mar 1 · 03:12:0G M

Hey1 gi:e Ryan some cre0it,,,




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fter ra!ist intelle!tual Repuli!an Rep' Paul Ryan )ade his ra!ist !o))ents at the re!ent

ra!ist +P+ )eetin&, he-s sin!e &one on re!ord as sayin& that his ra!ist re)ar*s %eren-t really

)eant to sound ra!ist' 8o, he-s !leared up that )isunderstandin& aout ra!is), ri&ht R7(T

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mmm<:ssm

Mar 1 · 11:2?:4 M

(his is actually a ste forwar0 for the cons

8ad ut it is' Aa!* in 2012 Be%t 7in&ri!h said that inner !ity people %ere all !ri)inals' Bo%

they-re ;ust la/y, %hi!h isn-t as ad as ein& !ri)inals so at least the !ons are )oin& in the

ri&ht dire!tion'

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Aron*ibertarian

Mar 1 · 0G:GJ:3 PM

Wait1 what?

8o poor people re!eiin& &oern)ent enefits to the e=tent that they no lon&er %ould e

!onsidered poor should, for the purpose of !ountin& the poor, e !onsidered poor

(ere-s an idea, ho% aout %e all a&ree to uit )oin& the fu!*in& &oalposts' The poorest 10O

in the >nited 8tates a!tually are in the top J0O in the %orld' hat used to e ar&u)ents aout

poerty are no% nael&a/in& !ontests aout .in!o)e ineuality.' hy not fo!us on )atters of real i)portan!e, li*e the &loal e!ono)y as a %hole, the !li)ate, and &oern)ent arriers to

freedo)'

<h, ri&ht, those don-t &et you hardons ele!tin& fu!*in& %ifeeatin& tools %ho,

!oin!identally, %ill neer e )entioned as part of the .%ar on %o)en.5'

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o

Mar 1J · 0?:0:00 PM

With a name lie

ein Fit/patri!*, lend ri&ht in' Aut )y forehead hair 8 B<T li*e Paulie-s, than* &aud' (e

a a ra!ist and detest and ahor hi)'

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