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Exhibit A
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IN THE STATE COURT OF DEKALB COUNTY
STATE OF GEORGIA
PATRICK C. DESMOND and MARY *
C. DESMOND, I n d i v i d u a l l y and * C I V I L ACTION FILE
MARY C. DESMOND, as * NO.: 10 A 28641 2
A d m i n i s t r a t r i x o f t h e E s t a t e *
of PATRIC W. DESMOND, *
P l a i n t i f f s *
vs . *
NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC.; * DEPOSITION OF
DELGADO DEVELOPMENT, INC.; * MARY C. DESMOND
SOVEREIGN PLACE, LLC; * ( W i t h S i g n a t u r e Reserved)
SOVEREIGN PLACE APARTMENT *
MANAGEMENT, INC.; LISA * October 5, 2010
CAROLINA ROBBINS, M.D.; * 9:07 a.m.
THE ROBBINS GROUP, INC.; *
and NARCONON INTERNATIONAL, *
Def e n d a n t s *
400 Colony Square
1201 P e a c h t r e e S t r e e t , N o r t h e a s t , S u i t e 900
A t l a n t a , G e o r g i a 30361
Sharon S. K e l l y , CCR, B-1594
ELITE REPORTING, INC.
4 07 0 Commodore D r i v e
Chamblee, G e o r g i a 30341
770-457-1276
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1 Q Have you ev e r been i n b a n k r u p t c y ?
2 A No.
3 Q Do you have any r e l a t i v e s i n t h e A t l a n t a a r e a ?
4 A No.
5 Q Are you a member o f any r e l i g i o u s o r g a n i z a t i o n s o r
6 c i v i c o r g a n i z a t i o n s i n t h e A t l a n t a area?
7 A No.
8 Q L e t me ask you some q u e s t i o n s now about y o u r son
9 P a t r i c k . F i r s t o f f , l e t ' s s t a r t w i t h e d u c a t i o n . D i d he
10 g r a d u a t e f r o m h i g h s c h o o l ?
11 A Yes.
12 Q When was t h a t ?
13 A I c a n ' t r e c a l l .
14 Q Was t h a t a GED program o r som e t h i n g l i k e t h a t ?
15 A Yes.
16 Q When d i d he -- D i d he d r o p o u t o f h i g h s c h o o l a t
17 some p o i n t ?
18 A Yes.
19 Q And when was t h a t ?
20 A J u n i o r y e a r .
21 Q Why d i d he d r o p out?
22 A He wasn't p a r t i c i p a t i n g i n t h e c l a s s r o o m .
23 Q Why was he n o t p a r t i c i p a t i n g ?
24 A He n e v e r l i k e d s c h o o l .
25 Q Was he h a v i n g d r i n k i n g problems i n h i g h s c h o o l ?
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2 Q D i d t h a t i n t e r f e r e w i t h h i s schoolwork?
3 A Yes .
4 Q How l o n g was he o u t o f s c h o o l f r o m t h e t i m e he
5 dropped out u n t i l he went and g o t h i s GED?
6 A My husband and I pur s u e d i t alm o s t i m m e d i a t e l y
7 w i t h i n months.
8 Q And what d i d you do t o pu r s u e i t ?
9 A We went o n l i n e and fou n d a GED course t o t a k e
10 o n l i n e .
11 Q And d i d he do t h e course o n l i n e ?
12 A Yes .
13 Q How much t i m e d i d he have t o spend d o i n g t h e c o u r s e
14 o n l i n e ? Was i t l i k e a yea r and a h a l f ?
15 A I'm n o t s u r e .
16 Q D i d he do a l l t h e work h i m s e l f o n l i n e , o r d i d
17 somebody h e l p him?
18 A He d i d i t h i m s e l f .
19 Q When d i d he g e t a GED?
20 A I'm n o t s u r e .
> 2 1 Q At some p o i n t , d i d he - - I t h i n k he e n r o l l e d i n an
22 j u n i o r c o l l e g e ?
23 A Yes .
24 Q Which j u n i o r c o l l e g e was t h a t ?
25 A B r e v a r d Community C o l l e g e .
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1 Q
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That's down i n F l o r i d a ?
2 A Yes, i t i s .
3 Q Was he a r e s i d e n t s t u d e n t , or d i d he l i v e a t home?
4 A He l i v e d a t home.
5 Q And how l o n g d i d he go t o Bre v a r d Community C o l l e g e ?
6 A Not q u i t e a ye a r .
7 Q Did he make i t t h r o u g h two f u l l semesters?
8 A I b e l i e v e he d i d .
9 Q How were h i s grades?
10 A Low.
11 Q Would he have been able t o r e t u r n t o a second year?
12 A Yes .
13 Q You say h i s grades were low. How low were they?
14 A C.
15 Q Did he e n j o y c o l l e g e ?
16 A Yes .
17 Q Did he ever t a l k w i t h you about why he wasn't
18 g e t t i n g b e t t e r grades?
19 A Yes .
20 Q What d i d he t e l l you?
21 A He s t r u g g l e d w i t h math e s p e c i a l l y .
22 Q Was he impacted by d r i n k i n g i n j u n i o r c o l l e g e ?
23 A No .
24 Q A f t e r t h e f i r s t year i n j u n i o r c o l l e g e , d i d he t e l l
25 you why he wasn't g o i n g t o go back?
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1 A Again, because he was s t r u g g l i n g w i t h t h e c o u r s e s .
2 Q D i d he ever t a l k t o you about h a v i n g a d e s i r e t o
3 some day go back?
4 A Yes.
5 Q When d i d he t a l k t o you about some day I want t o go
6 back t o j u n i o r c o l l e g e ?
7 A We t a l k e d about him g o i n g t o j u n i o r c o l l e g e . We
8 a c t u a l l y went down t o e n r o l l him a g a i n a f t e r the f i r s t t r i p t o
9 Narconon. He s i g n e d up t o t a k e an EMT course. He wanted t o
10 be a f i r e m a n .
11 Q Can you t e l l me when t h a t was?
12 A At t h e b e g i n n i n g of 2008.
13 Q Where d i d he s i g n up?
14 A We went t o B r e v a r d Community C o l l e g e but i t was i n
15 Rockledge.
16 Q Do you r e c a l l when i n t h e b e g i n n i n g of 2008?
17 January? February?
18 A No. I'm n o t sure.
19 Q What d i d he a c t u a l l y s i g n up f o r ?
20 A To t a k e a c l a s s f o r an EMT t o become a f i r e m a n .
2 1 Q D i d he t a l k about g o i n g back t o c o l l e g e t o complete
22 a c o l l e g e degree per se?
2 3 A He wanted one.
2 4 Q I u n d e r s t a n d he wanted one. But d i d he ever
2 5 a c t u a l l y t a l k t o you about some day I'm g o i n g t o go back --
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1 A Yes .
2 Q -- and a c t u a l l y g e t a c o l l e g e degree?
3 A Yes, he d i d .
4 Q D i d he ever do a n y t h i n g t o a c t u a l l y cause t h a t t o
5 happen? -
6 A Yes. He went t o t h e c o l l e g e and s i g n e d up f o r t h e •
7 EMT course so he c o u l d become a f i r e m a n .
8 Q A f t e r he became a f i r e m a n , was he g o i n g t o t h e n go
9 t o c o l l e g e ?
10 A C o n t i n u e ; yes.
11 Q A l l r i g h t . Now, I ' d l i k e t o t r y and g e t m y s e l f i n a •
12 c h r o n o l o g i c a l o r d e r here.
13 He, at some p o i n t , j o i n e d t h e Marine Corps?
14 A C o r r e c t . .
15 Q Was t h a t b e f o r e o r a f t e r he got t h e GED?
16 A A f t e r .
17 Q Le t me see i f you can h e l p me w i t h some d a t e s . f
18 When d i d he j o i n t h e Marine Corps? f
t
19 A I'm n o t s u r e . i
2 0 Q Was i t around 2000, 2001 i n t h a t t i m e frame?
21 A I 1m n o t s u r e .
22 Q When he j o i n e d t h e Marine Corps, d i d he go t o P a r r i s :
23 I s l a n d , South C a r o l i n a f o r b a s i c t r a i n i n g ?
24 A Yes .
25 Q D i d he g r a d u a t e f r o m b a s i c t r a i n i n g ? I t 5 I
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1 A Yes.
2 Q And I assume you went up t h e r e f o r the g r a d u a t i o n
3 ceremony?
4 A Yes.
5 Q D i d you meet h i s d r i l l s e rgeant?
6 A I may have.
7 Q D i d you see h i s b a r r a c k s ?
8 A Yes.
9 Q When he g r a d u a t e s f r o m b a s i c t r a i n i n g , where was he
10 s t a t i o n e d ?
11 A I n C a l i f o r n i a .
12 Q Where i n C a l i f o r n i a ?
13 A I c a n ' t t e l l you.
14 Q Was i t Camp Pendleton?
15 A I c a n ' t t e l l you.
16 Q When he j o i n e d t h e Marine Corps, do you know how
17 l o n g he was supposed t o be i n t h e Marine Corps, what h i s b a s i c
18 e n l i s t m e n t p e r i o d was?
19 A No.
2 0 Q He never t o l d you how l o n g he was g o i n g t o be i n ?
21 A Yes, I'm sure he t o l d me. I j u s t don't r e c a l l .
22 Q How l o n g d i d he s t a y i n t h e Corps?
2 3 A I'm n o t su r e .
24 Q Do you know a p p r o x i m a t e l y how l o n g i t was?
25 A A p p r o x i m a t e l y ?
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1 Q Yeah.
2 A Two y e a r s .
3 Q D i d he l e a v e b e f o r e h i s s c h e d u l e d l e n g t h o f
4 e n l i s t m e n t ?
5 A Yes .
6 Q How much e a r l i e r t h a n h i s s c h e d u l e d e n l i s t m e n t
7 t e r m i n a t i o n d i d he leave?
8 A I 1m n o t s u r e .
9 Q Do you know when he l e f t t h e Marine Corps?
10 A No .
1 1 Q Can't even g i v e us a date?
12 A No.
13 Q Why d i d he l e a v e t h e Marine Corps p r i o r t o h i s
14 no r m a l e n l i s t m e n t p e r i o d ending?
15 A He was d i s c h a r g e d .
16 Q D i s c h a r g e d on what b a s i s ?
17 A Drugs.
18 Q Was i t a d i s h o n o r a b l e d i s c h a r g e ?
19 A I'm n o t s u r e .
20 Q You say he was d i s c h a r g e d because o f d r u g s . What
2 1 k i n d of dr u g s ?
22 A Are you l o o k i n g f o r a name?
23 Q W e l l , i f you know t h e name, yes.
24 A They c a l l e d i t a p a r t y d r u g . I d o n ' t know what t h e
25 name of i t i s .
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1 Q And was he d r i n k i n g when you went over t o v i s i t Abu
2 Dhabi?
3 A He would d r i n k .
4 Q What would he d r i n k ?
5 A M o s t l y beer.
6 Q Other t h a n when your husband was away a t work i n
7 some o t h e r c o u n t r y , were you and y o u r husband ever s e p a r a t e d
8 w h i l e you were m a r r i e d ?
9 A No.
10 Q A f t e r he was t a k e n o u t o f h i g h s c h o o l , d i d you e v e r
11 seek t o p r o v i d e him w i t h any k i n d o f drug o r a l c o h o l
12 c o u n s e l i n g i n o r d e r t o h e l p him w i t h any pro b l e m t h a t he was
13 having?
14 A P a t r i c k sought on h i s own. He went t o AA m e e t i n g s .
15 He went t o C i r c l e o f Care. P a t r i c k d i d t h a t , and we s u p p o r t e d
16 him.
17 Q My q u e s t i o n i s , though: D i d you ever go out and
18 f i n d any k i n d o f t h e r a p y o r s u p p o r t group f o r him and send him
19 t o t h a t y o u r s e l f ?
2 0 A No.
2 1 Q I f he d i d something, i t was t h i n g s t h a t he d i d on
22 h i s own l i k e go t o AA --
23 A Yes.
24 Q o r go t o C i r c l e o f Care?
25 A Yes.
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hou r - s e v e n - d a y s - a - w e e k - h a d - t o - b e - w a t c h e d - o v e r - c o u r t - o r d e r e d
2 s i t u a t i o n and we were t o l d a b s o l u t e l y t h a t t h e y met t h o s e
3 r e q u i r e m e n t s and, i n f a c t , she even s a i d she had p e o p l e f r o m
4 F l o r i d a c o u r t s go t o them b e f o r e .
5 Q Now, t h i s t w e n t y - f o u r - h o u r - i n - h o u s e s i t u a t i o n , t e l l
6 me as s p e c i f i c a l l y as you r e c a l l what t h e s p e c i f i c r u l e s were
7 t h a t the Court had imposed about your son.
8 A That he had t o be watched t w e n t y - f o u r hours a day,
9 seven days a week. He had t o be watched. I can ' t t h i n k o f
10 any o t h e r way t o p u t i t .
1 1 Q Was t h i s p u t i n w r i t i n g i n some way? Were t h e t e r m s
12 of t h e o b s e r v a t i o n s p u t i n w r i t i n g ?
13 A I b e l i e v e i t was i n t h e w r i t t e n c o u r t o r d e r .
14 Q Do you have a copy of t h a t o r d e r ?
15 A No, I do n o t .
16 Q Who does?
17 A I'm n o t s u r e .
18 Q When he was i n your home, was he supposed t o be
19 watched t w e n t y - f o u r hours a day?
20 A We had a gra c e p e r i o d o f s e v e n t y - t w o hours t o e i t h e r
2 1 put him i n t o t h e F l o r i d a S t a t e f a c i l i t y o r t o get him i n t o a
22 p r i v a t e f a c i l i t y . I b e l i e v e i t was s e v e n t y - t w o h o u r s . I t may
23 have been f o r t y - e i g h t h o u r s .
24 Q U n d e r s t a n d i n g i t m i g h t have been f o r t y - e i g h t or
25 seventy- two, whatever i t was, when he was -- was he i n your
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1 d i d n ' t know what would happen up u n t i l t h a t p o i n t .
2 Q And w i t h i n t h a t t i m e you found the Narconon f a c i l i t y
3 and made arrangements f o r him t o go t h e r e ? ) E
( 4 A C o r r e c t .
5 Q But n e i t h e r you nor your husband went up t o l o o k a t
6 t h e p l a c e , p h y s i c a l l y ? :
7 A No.
8 Q I assume a t some p o i n t he was accepted?
9 A Yes. \
10 Q How d i d he get from F l o r i d a t o Narconon? ;
11 A I drove him.
12 Q You drove him i n a ca r , I assume? I
13 A Yes. *
14 Q When you got him here, where d i d you t a k e him? D i d i
15 you take him t o Narconon f i r s t ? ;
16 A Yes.
17 Q Do you remember what day t h a t was t h a t you f i r s t
18 took him t h e r e ? I
19 A No. I i
2 0 Q When you got t h e r e , d i d you y o u r s e l f l o o k over t h e
21 f a c i l i t y ?
22 A Yes.
23 Q What d i d you f i n d ?
24 A I went i n and t h e y were h a v i n g classrooms and Mary
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1 s t u d e n t s t h e r e . I t was j u s t a w a l k - t h r o u g h . Then I asked t o
2 see the rooms where t h e y would be s l e e p i n g , t h e f a c i l i t i e s ,
3 and Mr. Delgado took me t h e r e i n my car. I drove.
4 Q And where d i d he take you?
5 A He too k me t o the apartment b u i l d i n g s . S a l v a d o r , o r
6 something l i k e t h a t , apartment b u i l d i n g s .
7 Q On Roswell Road?
8 A I'm not sure, but I b e l i e v e i t was.
9 Q D i d you see any k i n d o f s e c u r i t y fence around t h e
10 apartment b u i l d i n g s ?
11 A No.
12 Q D i d you see any l o c k s on t h e door of the e n t r a n c e i n
13 t o t h e apartment b u i l d i n g i t s e l f ?
14 A I don't r e c a l l .
15 Q D i d you see any bars on t h e windows?
16 A No.
17 Q D i d you see any l o c k s o r bars on t h e doors?
18 A Locks.
19 Q Were those l o c k s d i f f e r e n t t h a n r e g u l a r l o c k s on
20 r e g u l a r houses?
2 1 A Not t h a t I r e c a l l .
22 Q D i d you see any s e c u r i t y guards?
2 3 A No.
24 Q D i d you see a n y t h i n g about the system of s e c u r i t y
25 t h e r e a t the p l a c e ?
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2 Q A l l r i g h t . How l o n g d i d y o u r i n s p e c t i o n l a s t ? I
3 A At t h e apartment complex? ;
4 Q Yes . \
5 A Maybe a h a l f hour. § i i
6 Q A f t e r t h a t , what happened n e x t ?
7 A I q u e s t i o n e d him about t he s e c u r i t y . 1
8 Q And I'm sure some o f t h e o t h e r l a w y e r s here w i l l
9 want t o go i n t o t h a t i n some dep t h w i t h you, b u t l e t me ask
10 you: How l o n g d i d your whole t r i p l a s t ? I n o t h e r words, how
11 much time d i d you spend a t Narconon?
12 A Maybe two h o u r s .
13 Q And t h e n what happened?
14 A P a t r i c k s t a y e d , and I went t o a h o t e l .
15 Q What h o t e l ?
16 A I don't r e c a l l .
17 Q What d i d you do t h e n e x t day?
18 A I t h i n k I j u s t l e f t .
19 Q D i d you go back t o see P a t r i c k ?
20 A No. I was unable t o .
21 Q Why were you unable t o see him?
22 A I t was p a r t o f the program.
23 Q So, when you l e f t on t h e day you b r o u g h t him up, you f
24 u n d e r s t o o d you were s a y i n g good-bye t o him f o r now anyway? t 1
25 A For now. i
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1 Q And t h e next day, I assume you l e f t and went back
2 toward F l o r i d a ?
3 A C o r r e c t .
4 Q Now, a t some p o i n t around t h e r e , d i d he end up i n
5 Peachford H o s p i t a l here i n A t l a n t a ?
6 A Oh, yes. I had f o r g o t t e n . Yes. When we b r o u g h t
7 him up, we d i d t h e w a l k - t h r o u g h , t h e n I d i d . I took him i n t o
8 t h e h o s p i t a l . I f o r g o t t h a t . I checked him i n t o t h e h o s p i t a l
9 and the next day I went and saw him a t the h o s p i t a l . He was
10 t h e r e f o r an e v a l u a t i o n t o -- you know, i f he needed h e l p o r
11 m e d i c a t i o n coming down fr o m a l c o h o l .
12 Q What a l c o h o l was he coming down from?
13 A Vodka.
14 Q How much vodka had he been d r i n k i n g ?
15 A At t h a t t i m e , maybe a p i n t e v e r y o t h e r day o r more.
16 I'm n o t sure.
17 Q W e l l , was he d r i n k i n g vodka i n t h e i n t e r v a l between
18 the t i m e t he judge s a i d , you've g o t t o e i t h e r go i n t o the
19 s t a t e f a c i l i t y o r f i n d a p r i v a t e f a c i l i t y ? Was he d r i n k i n g
2 0 vodka a t t h a t time?
21 A No.
22 Q At t h e end of t h a t f o r t y - e i g h t o r seventy-two hours,
2 3 you p u t him i n a car?
24 A Yes.
2 5 Q And drove up t o A t l a n t a ?
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Who p a i d f o r t h e t r i p t o Peachford?
2 A The c a r , t h e gas, t h a t s o r t o f t h i n g ?
3 Q No. I d i d n ' t ask a good q u e s t i o n .
4 Who p a i d f o r t h e t r e a t m e n t he r e c e i v e d a t P e a c h f o r d ,
5 t h e e x a m i n a t i o n , t h e c h e c k i n g out?
6 A Oh. My husband and I d i d , and my son s o l d h i s c a r .
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8
Q
A
When d i d he s e l l h i s car?
B e f o r e he went i n t o Narconon.
9 Q You g e t up her e , you l o o k around t h e f a c i l i t y , and
10 somebody t a k e s him t o Peachford, and you go t o a h o t e l . I s
11 t h a t t he way i t happened?
12 A B a s i c a l l y , yes. I d i d go t o Peachford H o s p i t a l and
13 s t a y e d w i t h him u n t i l t h e y a d m i t t e d him.
14 Q So he's a d m i t t e d , and you go t o t h e h o t e l ?
15 A Yes. And t h e n I went back and saw him a g a i n , I
16 t h i n k t he n e x t m o r n i n g .
17 Q And t h e n you leave?
18 A Then I l e a v e .
19 Q Had y o u r son, p r i o r t o e n t e r i n g Narconon, ever been
2 0 on any k i n d o f s u i c i d e p r e v e n t i o n ?
2 1 A I b e l i e v e he was when he was a r r e s t e d one t i m e .
22 Q Which a r r e s t ?
23 A I'm n o t s u r e .
24 Q Was i t a DUI a r r e s t ? Was i t a coc a i n e p o s s e s s i o n
25 a r r e s t ?
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1 A I'm n o t sure.
2 Q Who had him on t h e s u i c i d e p r e v e n t i o n ?
3 A The p o l i c e .
4 Q D i d t h e y t e l l you t h a t ?
5 A No.
6 Q How do you know t h a t t h e y had him on t h e s u i c i d e
7 p r e v e n t i o n ?
8 A He t o l d me.
9 Q What d i d he t e l l you?
10 A That when t h e y a r r e s t e d him, t h e y asked him some
11 q u e s t i o n s and he was angry and a n x i o u s and however he
12 answered, i t e v i d e n t i a l l y l e d t o t h e p o l i c e f e e l i n g t h a t he
13 would harm h i m s e l f .
14 Q Okay. Now l e t me t a l k t o you j u s t r e a l b r i e f l y
15 about s o r t o f t h e i n t e r v a l between t h e t i m e he s t a r t s Narconon
16 and t h e t i m e t h a t he d i e s .
17 D i d you ever come up t o v i s i t him a t Narconon a f t e r
18 you had l e f t him o f f ?
19 A Yes.
2 0 Q When was t h a t ?
2 1 A I t was a f t e r h i s i n d o c t r i n a t i o n p e r i o d , which was, I
22 t h i n k s i x weeks.
23 Q And how l o n g was t h e v i s i t ?
24 A A weekend.
2 5 Q Anymore v i s i t s by you w i t h him a t t h e Narconon
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1 f a c i l i t y ?
2 A Yes. I went up f o r h i s g r a d u a t i o n .
3 Q When was t h a t ?
4 A I t h i n k February.
5 Q And when you say g r a d u a t i o n , as you u n d e r s t a n d i t ,
6 was he supposed t o be completed w i t h the program then?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Was he e n t i t l e d then t o leave and r e t u r n t o F l o r i d a ?
9 A No.
10 Q Where was he supposed t o go a f t e r he --
11 A He s t a y e d i n t h e Narconon program.
12 Q Who said'he needed t o stay ?
13 A The s t a t e of F l o r i d a .
14 Q When you say t h e s t a t e o f F l o r i d a s a i d t h a t , can you
15 e x p l a i n t h a t a l i t t l e b i t ? Was i t a judge who s a i d , even
16 though Narconon says you've got t h e b e n e f i t , I say you have t o
17 s t a y there?
18 A No, I can't say t h a t .
19 Q I'm not a s k i n g you a good q u e s t i o n .
2 0 He grad u a t e s i n February. As you u n d e r s t a n d i t ,
2 1 where was he supposed t o go then?
22 A He had t o s t a y a t Narconon. I t was p a r t o f the
2 3 c o u r t o r d e r e d agreement.
24 Q And how l o n g was he supposed t o stay?
25 A S i x months.
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1 A Yes . ;
2 Q Who was he g o i n g o u t w i t h ? \
3 A He went o u t g o l f i n g w i t h a couple o f f r i e n d s , Dave, -
4 and I f o r g e t h i s l a s t name, and Tommy Sabada ( p h o n e t i c ) . I n ;
5 th e e v e n i n g , I don't know who he went out w i t h . And he had a
6 g i r l t h a t he went out w i t h .
7 Q Would he go out i n t h e e v e n i n g p r e t t y much e v e r y
8 evening?
9 A No. t
10 Q Was i t , what, e v e r y o t h e r evening? How o f t e n w o u l d \
11 he go out at n i g h t ?
12 A He was s t a y i n g p r e t t y c l o s e t o home f o r s e v e r a l
13 weeks and t h e n he s t a r t e d g o i n g o u t maybe e v e r y two o r t h r e e
14 n i g h t s .
15 Q And you don't know t h e names o f anybody he went o u t
16 w i t h ; i s t h a t c o r r e c t ?
17 A I n t h e e v e n i n g s , no.
18 Q But he had a g i r l f r i e n d ?
19 A He had a g i r l f r i e n d t h a t t h e y k i n d o f went o u t , and
20 she d i d come t o my home.
21 Q Does she have a name?
22 A Cara Fine -- C-a-r-a ( s p e l l i n g ) , l a s t name i s
23 F i n e s h e i l d ( p h o n e t i c ) o r something l i k e t h a t .
24 Q D i d you ever d e t e r m i n e whether or n o t any of t h e s e
25 f r i e n d s o r g i r l f r i e n d were d r i n k i n g when t h e y would go ou t ?
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1 A Cara i s i n AA. She'd been sober f o r c l o s e t o a y e a r
2 a t t h a t t i m e .
3 Q D i d you do a n y t h i n g t o t e l l him he c o u l d n ' t go o u t
4 w i t h h i s f r i e n d s i n t h e evening?
5 A I would c a u t i o n him. But he was t w e n t y - e i g h t y e a r s
6 o l d . He was a young man. I c o u l d a d v i s e him. And I d i d t e l l
7 him, you know, be c a r e f u l , t h i n k , you're d o i n g w e l l , keep i t
8 up, t h a t s o r t of t h i n g .
9 Q Then he g e t s a r r e s t e d f o r DUI?
10 A Yes.
11 Q D i d you have any d i s c u s s i o n w i t h him about why he
12 had, o b v i o u s l y , f a l l e n o f f the wagon?
13 A Yes.
14 Q What d i d he say?
15 A He s a i d because I'm a drunk.
16 Q D i d he say a n y t h i n g e l s e ?
17 A That he f e l t embarrassed and ashamed f o r h i m s e l f and
18 us .
19 Q D i d he email you any w h i l e he was a t Narconon?
2 0 A He may have. I don't r e c a l l .
21 Q Where would those e m a i l s be?
22 A They would be on t h e computer.
23 Q And t h a t ' s t h e computer you're not sure where i t i s ?
24 A I'm sure i t ' s -- I t was t r a s h e d .
2 5 Q When he came back f r o m Narconon i n March and was
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1 a t t h e f o o d s t o r e ?
2 Q Who d i d you ask t h i s of?
3 A Mr. Delgado. And, a g a i n , I was t o l d t h a t t h e y ' r e
4 under s u p e r v i s i o n . They watch what t h e y buy, and are a l w a y s
5 under s t a f f s u p e r v i s i o n .
6 Q What s t a f f s u p e r v i s i o n ?
7 A Narconon s t a f f .
8 Q A n y t h i n g e l s e t h a t you asked?
9 A Not t h a t I can r e c a l l .
10 Q What's your u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f how -- L e t me back t h a t
11 up.
12 I t h i n k you s a i d e a r l i e r t h a t you u n d e r s t o o d t h a t
13 P a t r i c k was d r i n k i n g a l c o h o l on t h e n i g h t t h a t he died?
14 A That's what I was t o l d .
15 Q Where'd he get t h e a l c o h o l from?
16 A I don't know.
17 Q Do you know i f he bought i t ?
18 A I do n o t know.
19 Q You don't know i f somebody e l s e bought i t ?
2 0 A I do n o t know.
21 Q You a l s o s a i d t h a t t h e y g o t h e r o i n someplace. Who
22 g o t t h e h e r o i n ?
2 3 A I don't know. §
24 Q Do you know where t h e y g o t i t from?
2 5 A No.
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1 A Yes.
2 Q Who i s i t t h a t e s c o r t e d him f r o m t h e h o s p i t a l t o
3 Narconon?
4 A I d o n ' t know.
5 Q Do you know where t h e y t o o k him?
6 A I do n o t know. I b e l i e v e t h e y t o o k him t o t h e
7 a p a r t m e n t .
8 Q And t h e n you t o l d us t h a t he f i n i s h e d t h e Narconon
9 program and s t a y e d f o r a f u l l s i x months; i s t h a t c o r r e c t ?
10 A Yes.
11 Q And t h e n who t o o k him back t o F l o r i d a ?
12 A I d i d .
13 Q D i d you come -- Was t h a t when you came up f o r t h e
14 g r a d u a t i o n ? D i d you t a k e him home a f t e r t h a t ?
15 A No.
16 Q T e l l me about coming t o p i c k h i m up t h e n . When was
17 t h a t ?
18 A At t h e end o f t h e s i x months, I went up and we
19 packed up and we l e f t .
20 Q D i d he c a l l you and ask you t o come g e t him?
21 A We had t a l k e d d u r i n g t h a t t i m e . I knew when h i s
22 d a t e was done t h a t he c o u l d come home.
2 3 Q And he d i d n ' t have any i n t e r e s t i n s t a y i n g here?
24 A At Narconon?
25 Q I n A t l a n t a .
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1 A Oh, i n A t l a n t a ? No.
2 Q When he went back t o F l o r i d a w i t h you, d i d he have a
3 job?
4 A No, I don't t h i n k he d i d .
5 Q What d i d he do when he was home? When d i d you p i c k
6 him up?
7 A At the end of the s i x months.
8 Q Do you know when t h a t was?
9 A No. I mean, I can't r e c a l l .
10 Q W e l l , i f I r e p r e s e n t t o you t h a t he f i r s t went i n t o
11 Narconon i n l a t e September o f '07, then t h a t would p u t us t h e
12 end o f March of '08 would be s i x months. So what d i d P a t r i c k
13 do between t h e end of March o f '08 and May t h e 23rd of 2008
14 when he went back t o Narconon?
15 A As f a r as I can r e c a l l , he j u s t d i d odd j o b s . L i k e
16 I had s a i d b e f o r e , t h e y have t h i s day j o b k i n d o f program, you
17 go down, you st a n d i n l i n e , c o n s t r u c t i o n people or whoever
18 goes by and t h e y say, I need f i v e guys, and t h a t would be i t .
19 Q Who has t h a t program?
2 0 A I guess i t ' s t h e C i t y o f Melbourne.
21 Q You're n o t sure?
2 2 A No.
23 Q So he worked odd j o b s . D i d he do a n y t h i n g else i n
24 t h i s two-month p e r i o d ?
2 5 A That's when we had gone t o t h e s c h o o l , t o Brevard
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1 Q Do you r e c a l l t h e name o f t h e woman?
2 A No.
3 Q Do you r e c a l l what c o u n t y t h a t happened i n ?
4 A B r e v a r d County.
5 Q B r e v a r d County?
6 A I b e l i e v e so.
7 Q Do you r e c a l l what c o u r t she went to?
8 A No.
9 Q Now, you t e s t i f i e d t h a t a t some p o i n t P a t r i c k was
10 d r i n k i n g as much as a p i n t o f vodka a day b e f o r e he went t o
11 Narconon. Do you r e c a l l t h a t t e s t i m o n y f o r Ms. W h i t l o c k ?
12 A I s a i d he was d r i n k i n g a p i n t a weekend, more o r
13 l e s s . I don't know t h a t i t was a p i n t a day.
14 Q Where was the a l c o h o l k e p t i n your house?
15 A He k e p t i t i n h i s room, I guess.
16 Q Were you and y o u r husband a l s o d r i n k i n g ? I guess he
17 was i n Abu Dhabi. Were you a l s o d r i n k i n g a t t h e same time?
18 A No.
19 Q When you say -- I guess he kept i t i n h i s room, i s
20 t h a t what you s a i d , or h i s p a r t o f t h e house?
21 A Yes, h i s p a r t o f t h e house. Our house has l i k e a
22 c a s i t a .
2 3 Q Why do you say, I guess?
24 A Because I don't know.
2 5 Q D i d you ever l o o k ?
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1 A No.
2 Q Why not?
3 A Because i t was o b v i o u s he was d r i n k i n g .
4 Q D i d you ever t e l l him he was n o t t o d r i n k i n y o u r
5 house?
6 A Yes.
7 Q D i d he obey you?
8 A No.
9 Q A t t h a t p o i n t , d i d you t a k e any steps t o g e t r i d o f
10 t h e a l c o h o l ?
11 A When I found any a l c o h o l , i t was dumped, t h r o w n
12 away.
13 Q Where d i d you f i n d i t ?
14 A Sometimes i t would be out on our l a n a i o r he would
15 p u t i t i n t h e r e f r i g e r a t o r and t h e r e was a r e f r i g e r a t o r
16 o u t s i d e on t h e l a n a i t h a t he would p u t i t i n . And i f I f o u n d
17 i t , I j u s t t h r e w i t .
18 Q T e l l me why you d i d n ' t go get i t o u t of h i s room.
19 A I g o t i t o u t of wherever I found i t . I j u s t d i d n ' t
20 s e a r c h h i s room.
21 Q Why not?
22 A Why would I ?
2 3 Q You knew he was d r i n k i n g e v e r y weekend; c o r r e c t ?
24 A I knew he was d r i n k i n g .
25 Q D i d t h a t suggest t o you t h a t i t might be a good i d e a
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1 t o search h i s room t o get r i d of a l c o h o l ?
2 A Anytime I found a l c o h o l , I got r i d of i t . He d i d n ' t
3 always keep t h i n g s i n h i s room.
4 Q Was he a l s o d o i n g drugs a t the same time?
5 A I would say yes.
6 Q Were you concerned t h a t t h e r e might be t h e presence
7 of i l l e g a l drugs i n your home?
8 A Yes.
9 Q D i d t h i s not cause you t o search h i s room f o r
10 i l l e g a l drugs?
11 A I searched h i s c l o t h i n g and a n y t h i n g t h a t I t h o u g h t
12 he might h i d e drugs i n .
13 Q But not h i s room?
14 A There wasn't much i n h i s room t o search.
15 Q D i d he have a bed?
16 A He had a bed.
17 Q D i d he have c l o t h i n g ?
18 A Yes. Most of t h e c l o t h i n g was i n t h e l a u n d r y room,
19 w h i c h was o f f of h i s bedroom.
2 0 Q D i d he have a bureau?
21 A He d i d . And i n h i s bureau he had h i s CDs and VCR
22 p l a y e r and h i s Game Boys.
23 Q D i d you ever j o i n any programs f o r r e l a t i v e s of
24 i n d i v i d u a l s who d r i n k ?
2 5 A No.
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1 Q Did you ever c o n s i d e r i t ?
2 A No.
3 Q Why not?
4 A Maybe because I j u s t don't b e l i e v e i n the
5 p r o f e s s i o n . I don't know what t h e y c o u l d have t o l d me t h a t I
6 d i d n ' t know. I read on i t . I d i d t h e I n t e r n e t . I t a l k e d
7 w i t h people.
8 Q When you say you don't b e l i e v e i n the p r o f e s s i o n , do
9 you mean the substance abuse c o u n s e l i n g p r o f e s s i o n i n g e n e r a l ?
10 A The t h e r a p y s e s s i o n s . That's what I th o u g h t you
11 were r e f e r r i n g t o , t h e r a p y .
12 Q Was P a t r i c k e ver i n the r a p y ?
13 A I b e l i e v e P a t r i c k was i n C i r c l e o f Care and h i s
14 d i f f e r e n t AA groups and he had j o i n e d some group i n Rockledge,
15 l i k e I s a i d .
16 Q When you say you don't b e l i e v e i n t h e r a p y , e x p l a i n
17 t o me what t h a t means f o r you i n terms of how somebody i s
18 supposed t o r e c o v e r from an a d d i c t i o n i f n o t v i a therapy?
19 A I'm not a m e d i c a l person. I was r e f e r r i n g t o me
20 p e r s o n a l l y . You asked me. I don't have t h e a d d i c t i o n .
2 1 Q Oh, you were s a y i n g you don't b e l i e v e i n t h e r a p y f o r
22 you as a r e l a t i v e o f someone who i s a d r i n k e r ?
2 3 A Yes. That's what we were t a l k i n g about. That's
24 what I u n d e r s t o o d .
25 Q Okay. Thank you f o r c l a r i f y i n g t h a t .
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1 Q And c e r t a i n l y nobody from Delgado Development spoke
2 t o you about s e c u r i t y a t the Delgado Apartments?
3 A C o r r e c t .
4 Q You don't have any i n f o r m a t i o n t h a t Delgado
5 Development, I n c . was r u n n i n g any s o r t o f i l l e g a l h o u s i n g
6 program, do you?
7 A No.
8 Q Have you done any independent i n v e s t i g a t i o n y o u r s e l f
9 as t o t h e c i r c u m s t a n c e s under which P a t r i c k o b t a i n e d h e r o i n on
10 t h e n i g h t o f h i s death? Not y o u r lawyer. J u s t y o u r s e l f .
11 A No.
12 Q You don't know h i s l e v e l of i n t o x i c a t i o n t h a t
13 evening, do you?
14 A No.
15 Q As f a r as you know, t h i s was t h e f i r s t t i m e he'd
16 ever used h e r o i n ?
17 A Yes.
18 Q Do you know how i t was i n g e s t e d ?
19 A I was not t o l d . I saw a mark on h i s arm.
2 0 Q I'm s o r r y . Say t h a t a g a i n .
2 1 A I saw a mark on h i s arm, but I was not t o l d .
22 Q You t e s t i f i e d you o n l y went t o t h e Delgado
23 Apartments t h a t one t i m e ; c o r r e c t ?
2 4 A No.
25 Q Oh, I'm s o r r y . How many times have you v i s i t e d t h e
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1 Delgado Apartments?
2 A Whenever I p i c k e d P a t r i c k up.
3 Q D i d you go i n t o h i s apartment when you w o u l d p i c k
4 him up, o r would you meet him i n t h e f r o n t ?
5 A I would meet him o u t s i d e .
6 Q How many times d i d you a c t u a l l y go i n t o h i s
7 apartment?
8 A Maybe t w i c e r i g h t i n t h e b e g i n n i n g .
9 Q You're aware t h a t was n o t what t h e y c a l l a lockdown
10 f a c i l i t y ; c o r r e c t ?
11 A No. You'd have t o t e l l me what you mean by t h a t .
12 Q You've never h e a r d t h a t term?
13 A A lockdown l i k e j a i l , l i k e p r i s o n ? Bars and
14 lockdown l i k e t h a t ?
15 Q R i g h t . You're aware i t was not t h a t ; c o r r e c t ?
16 A I t was not l o c k e d down l i k e t h a t , no.
17 Q Now y o u ' r e aware t h a t , w h i l e l i v i n g a t t h e Delgado
18 Apartments, t h e r e s i d e n t s c o u l d t a k e l e a v e s o f absence;
19 c o r r e c t ?
20 A Yes.
2 1 Q And t h a t meant g o i n g o f f s i t e w i t h o u t a s t a f f member;
22 c o r r e c t ?
2 3 A C o r r e c t .
24 Q So when you say t h a t t h e r e s i d e n t s were supposed t o
25 be s u p e r v i s e d t w e n t y - f o u r / s e v e n , t h a t ' s n o t q u i t e your
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