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Love is the answcr to allquestions. It is the cure of allailments. Rumi meanwhile isthe person who has bestdescribed love to date...

Hz. l \4evlAna, $eb- i Arus vuslat toreni etk in l ik ler iiEin Tr i rk iye'ye davet edi len Dr. Maj id M. Naini i t re Konyaseyahat i oncesinde istanbulda uzun uzun sohbet etmegansrmtz oldu. Nelen konugmadrk k i . . . YerEekin ' l indenMatr ix 'e, zamandan mekAna, dr i$unden olun' lsr lz lu$ekadar on la rca konu. . . Dr . Na in i b i r gun once ge lmes igerekirken, hava kogul lan nedenly le uEa$rnl kaElrrnca onsaat i agan b i r uEug sonras t i s tanbu l 'a u lagmasrna kar5 lnyine de er-rerj i doluydu. Konu lVlevlAna clunca, g/' l ' l denbugune o fdugu g ib iy ine iq i co5ku do luydu. B i l in " l adannuDn. Naini ,9 l i i yagandrglnda oldukga par lak i fer leyenb i l in r hayat rn l yavag la t rp kend in i k lnk y r ld r r agk la hag l lo ldu$u | \ l levlAna o$ret is in i yayarak dunya ban5lna katkrdabu lunnnaya adadr " C gunden bugune 400 b in mi ldenfazNa yol kat edip, Bir legr"nig lVl i l let ler dahi l 500'uln l - izer indekonferansta konugmae r o larak yer aldl . Nle n" lut lu bana ki ,Dn" Naini iNe bagbapa blr l<ag saat geEirrne $anstnr yakaladrrn.t - l iqbir beklent i o lmakslz ln yapr lan bu sohbet i r . ls tadlnaffrr ra sr$lnarak, becerebi ld i$ im kadanryla s ize aktarnrayaqa l rgaea$rm"

"geb-iArus diig{ln g[in[i, dil{ im gi.}mti degil.Niye Eni?' l d ied f ron-r sol id and became pNant,Fnclnn plant l was transforrmed to animal.From aninnal I d ied and became a ht- , lnnan,Then why should I be afraid of death?I never becanre less frorn death.Next I diefron'l human,

And soar to becnry"re an angel,I serar again fnorn an angel ,And becon'le sornething that you cannot even in"lagine'J'r

Dr . N ia in i 'n in ynrumunu bozmamak iq in ing i l i zcemet in ku l landrm. Sohbet im iz s l ras lnda Dr . Na in i banaRuml 'n in soz le r in in a teg o ldu$unu kend[s in inse banasadece kt l l leni aktarabi id ig in i soyledi" C kr l l fer i ruzgaraka6:trrrp s ize hiqbir gey ulagtrramamaktan korktunr.Yukarrdaki atrntrnln kayna$l lVlesnevi 'n in 3" c i ld in in 3900.dizesinden bagNamaktad l r ."Ben kansrz bir geyken, gel ig ip bi tk i o lup buyr idLlnn.Bi tk iyken olup hayvan sulnet inde gonundt im.

Hayvanken olup bu sefen insan oldum. Oyleyse olup yokq:lmakta n niye korkaytrn?"2

Dr. t \a in i i le sohbet in ' l iz [q innize giden yolda binaracrya fh t i ya6 o lup o lmadrg lna uzandt .

Dr. Naini : iEinize giden yol . ig in izde kim var?iq in izde A l lah var . iq in izde ruhunuz var . Rumi 'n in e led ig i g ib i ,ruhurnuz her geyi b i l i r . E$er ig in ize do$ru yonel inseniz hergeyin aslrnda siz in drplnlzda olmadlfrrnr gorr l rs i inuz. EvrencJeher ne \ ra rsa , onu bu lmak iq in ig in ize bak ln ; a rad l$ ln lz hergey aslrnda ig in izdedir . Kendi iq ine bakanlarrn har i tayaihtiyacr yoktur.

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Dr. f i i la.i id lVl. Nainien yetkin lVlevlAna aragtrrrnacrlanndan.Majid M. Naini is one of the most competent researchersof Rumi.

We had the chance to ta lk wi th Dr. Maj id M. Nainiin lstanbul before he went to Konya for the Molana $eb- iArus (Rumi 's wedding night - n ight of passing) events forwhich he was invited to Turkey. We spoke about everythingfrom gravi ty to Matr ix, t ime and space, weddings andnegat iv i ty - count less subjects. . . As always, Dr. Naini wasful l of energy despi te arr iv ing in lstanbul af ter more thana 10-hour f l ight . And as the subject at hand was Molana,he was f i l led wi th joy just as he has been since 9/11.Thescientist Dr. Naini's scientif ic l i fe took a backseat after 9/11;he dedicated his l i fe to contributing to world peace byshar ing the Molana teachings with the wor ld. Since then,he has covered more than 400 thousand mi les as a speakerat over 500 conferences including the United Nat ions. Howhappy I am to have been able to spend just a few hourswith him alone. Asking for his forgiveness, I wi l l t ry to relayto you as best as I can this conversat ion that was real izedwithout a ny expectations.

"$eb-i Arus wedding day is not the day ofdeath. Why?' l d ied f rom sol id and became plant,From plant I was transformed to animal.From an imal I d ied and became a human,Then why should I be afraid of death?I never became less from death.Next I d ie f rom human,And soar to become an angel ,I soar again f rom an angel ,And become something that you cannot even imagine'J ' l

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KonyaUa $eb-i Arus tcireni.A $eb-iArus (Rumi's weddingnight - night of passing) ceremonyin Konya.

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Ozgiir Baykut: Kriavuz, kemdi i6ine bakamayanlar igindir*Fakat problem gu ki, bu krlavuzluga ra$men gCIgr* insan hSNS kendiig ine bakamryonYolu GPS yardrmryla bi le bulabl lecekrnig gibidegiiriinmfiyorlar.

Dr. Naini : Bunun medenini b i l iyor rnusun&rz7 Ben bunatop!umsa I h i pnoz ve toplu nnsal kogurlla ndr rnla d iyorum. (ocu kla n nr rzrfark l r kul t r l r lere, fark l r d in lere, vesaireye rnensup olarak yet igt in iyoruz.

Bagar r l r o lmanrn ve sev i lnnen in yo lu bu . Ge l in s ize bunu b in cnnek leagrkfayayrni . Kuglar sabahlan yuvalanrndan drgaru qrktrk lanrnda ne kadarnegel i ve kaygrsrzdrr lar oyle de$i t rn i ! Karnrnx aq kalrr d iye endige duyanlarnir? Hayrn. Armabiz insanlar, endige dayrnaya kogul landrnl lnrr5lz. Bunu yap,gunu yap. Bunu a l , gunu a l . Bu gek i lde prognamlanmts tz " {oeuk ber rak b i rsuya benzer, iq inde hiqbin kusur barrndlrmaz. Bu suyu goruyor musunuz?

Sirndi suya farkl r renklen kataca$rm ve bin noktadan sonra suyun rengi okadar koyulagacak ki . . " (ocuklawmvt onlara yanlrg de$er[er i o$reterekzehir l iyoruz" Maddiyatql de$er ler" IVh:t laka bir araban * l rnal l . Bunasahip olnnalrsrn, $una sahip olrnalrs ln. CIysa kefenin cebi yoktur. is lam'dakefen uE pargadan olu5ur ve kefende cep yoktun" Ohur tarafa yanrnlzciahiEbir $ey goturernezsiniz. Rumi der k i , "Yanrnrza sadeee ly i sozler i , iy id ti grinceleri ve iyi davra n r5la rr a la t: i l i rsiniz." Ya n l n rca yalnaca bu n Na na lab i l i r s in iz , bagka h iqb i r gey i de$ i l .

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I used the Engl ish text not to spoi l Dr. Naini 'sinterpretat ion. Dur ing our conversat ion, Dr. Naini said that Rumi 'swords were f i re and that he was only able to relay the ashes in hiswords. I was afraid of not being able to relay any of th is just in casethose ashes were swept away by the wind. The source of the c i tat ionabove begins f rom the 3900th verse of the 3rd volume of Masnavi .

Our conversat ion wi th Dr. Naini went as far as quest ioningwhether or not there was a need for a mediator into the journey ofour sou l .

Dr. Naini : - Going inside you. Who is inside you? Godis inside you. Your soul is inside. Your soul as Rumi says knowseverything. l f you go inside, everything is not outs ide of you.Whatever is in the universe, look inside you, whatever you want isinside. The one who looks inside doesn' t need a map.

Sxgr{}n Smyknxt: - The guide is for the ones those whocannot look inside. But the th ing is that most people st i l l cannotlook inside even with guidance. And with the GPS they cannotfind the way.

Dr. Naini: - You know why? | call i t social hypnosis andsocial condi t ioning. We raise chi ldren in di f ferent cul tures anddi f ferent rel ig ions. This is the way to be successful , th is is the wayto be loved. Let me give you an example. When the birds come outin the morning you see how happy and carefree they are! Are theyworr ied about their food? No. You as a human being are becauseyou are programmed that way. Do this. Do that. Get th is. Get that .A chi ld is l ike c lear water and has no faul t inside. You see this water.l 'm going to add di f ferent colors and at some point i t wi l l become sodark.We poison our chi ldren by teaching them wrong values.Mater ia l is t ic values. You should have to have a car. You should havethis. You should have that. A shroud doesn' t have a pocket book.In ls lamic bel ief the shroud comes in 3 pieces and doesn' t have apocket. You can take nothing with you and as Rumi says 'You onlycan take good words, good thoughts, good deedsi That 's al l you cantake, nothing else.

*xgg*3r &a3rkut: - Have you watched the movie Matrix?Have you seen the influence of Rumi in the movie? Did you seethe movie PeacefulWarrior? Or the latest... Inception? The fi lmtried to explain that dreams are a reality and that the world inwhich we live isn't.

Dr. Naini: -Yes, for sure. Not only that one, there are somany. Incept ion!You wouldn' t bel ieve how many of them use Rumiwithout even giv ing credi t .

A scient ist 's habi t , Dr. Naini a lso asked Rumi al l thequest ions that came to his mind. The answers to some cameimmediately whi le the answers to others took 30 years to come.There are count less scient i f ic inferences in the answers as wel l .He rea l i zed tha t Mo lana had exp la ined nuc lear exp los ion , theformat ion of the wor ld, the movement of the earth and planets,matter and ant imatter and many other scient i f ic real i t ies longbefore scientists d iscovered them." lns ide o f each par t i c le there is a h idden sun,

f f i r . Nain$ i le iV{ewiana konugntaB< hir ayrucal lk.Speak ing about Rumiwi th Dr . Nain i is a pr iv i lege.

Majid M. Naini:Dr. Naini, Sarmagrk Bir l igi 'ne uye, en saygtnegit im kurumlarrndan bir i olan Pensi lvanyaUniversitesi Bi lgisayar ve Bi lgi Bi l imleri

bo[imrinden mezun oldu ve doktorayaptl . 13.ylzyt l Sufi gair i Mevl6na, sonyr l la rda ABD de en qok okunan ga i r lerden.

UNESCO taraf rndan 2007 RumiYr l r o laraki lan ed i ld i$ inde Dr . Nain i Rumi 'n in dogumyr ldonrimri nde Bi r legmig I\4i l let ler de aqrl r5konugmasrnr yapmakla onur landrr r lmlq,

Mevl6na'n rn 69reti ler in in rgr! rnda kr. i reselbarrg ve dostlu$un nasrl tesis edi lece$ihakkr nda gori l5lerini d i le getirrniSti . Di i nyan I nen saygrn Mevl6na aragtrrrnacrlarrndan

Berkeley ve Sorbonne profesort i BuyukelEi

Ravan Farhadi (14 yrl boyunca Afganistan'rn

Bir legmig Mil let ler temsilcisi), Dr. [ \aini

hakkrnda 5unlarr soyluyor: "Drinyanln dortb i r yanrndak i Rumi arat t t rmacr lan anasrnda

Mesnevive Divan-r Kebi r ' in (Rumi 'n in g i i r

k i tap lan) oneml i bo lumler in i ya ln lzca Dr . Nain iezbere bi l i r ve yalnlzca o, bu bohlmleri gt izel

ve dogru bigimde ingi l izce'ye qevirebi l i r l '

Dr. Naini 'nin bi l im, teknoloj i , trp, psikoloj i ,

mist isizm, zihin-beden-ruh i l igkisi ve dengesi,aSktn insan ya5amt ve insanl rk t izer indek i

sihir l i etki ler i , yapam seruveni ve gayreti ,

edebiyat, dinler arasr i l i5ki ler, 5i ir gibi gokqegitli kontr larda ya ptrgt kon u gmala r, y azdtgtkitaplar ve makaleler Eok genig ve farklr

kr i l t i l r lerden bir takipqi ki t lesini etki ledi.Pek qok kigi Dr. Naini 'nin samimiyet ve sevEisaqt r$rnr , Rumi 'n in ruhunun onda v t lcut

bu ldu$unu, onun konugmalar r vasr tasry la

de$ig t ik ler in i ve ondak i ruh comert l ig in in

kendi ler in i gok duyguland r rdrgrnr d i le get i rmig

dururnda. Kaleme a ldr$r k i tap lann herkt i l turden, dinden, geEmigten ve meslektengelen insanlar rn i lg is in iqekme nedeni iseyak la5rmrn ln yen ive heyecan ver ic i o lmasrve en son bi l imsel kegif ler le mist isizmin

etk i ley ic i b i r b i leg imine dayanmasr . D in ley ic ive okurlanna gore de en karmaglk bi l i rnsel

konular r Eok aqrk ve ko lay an laSr l r r 5ek i ldeanlatmak konusunda e5siz bir yetene$e

sahip . Dr" Nain i 'n in k i tap tur lar rnda yapt t$ l

konugmalan 50.000den fazla insan izlemi5durumda. Dunya genelinde 500'den fazlagazete, dergi, web sitesi, TV ve radyodayer a lmasr , bun lar rn arasrnda San Franc isco

Chronic le , Sun-Sent ine l ve ABD de yay lmlanan

lran Times'rn da bulunuyor olmasl yeterince

aydrnlatrcr olsa gerek.

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Dr. Naini: Evet, tabii, Rumi'nin etkilerini giirebil irsiniz.Yalnrzca o da degil, daha biiyle pek gok fi lm var. Dingin Savaggr(PeacefulWarr ior) f i lmini seyret t in iz mi? O f i lm de benzer geki ldeRumiUen ogeler taglyordu. Bu tarz f i lmlerden o kadar qok var k iinanamazslntz.Ya da en son qeki len Baglangrq. . ,

Ozgiir Baykut: - Filrnde rfiyalann gersek oldugu veya$adr grmrz diinyan rn gergek olmad l$l an latlhyordu.

Dr. Naini: - Evet. Rumi'nin fikirlerinden esinlenerek qekileno kadar fazla fi lm var ki, ancak ne yaztk ki hi{biri Rumi'ye attftabulunmuyor.

Dr . Na in i b i t im insant o lmasrn tn da verd i$ i sorgu lama a l l5kanhgri le aklrna takr lan butr in sorulan Rumi 'ye sormu;. Kiminin yanrtrnr hemenbu lmu5, k imin in yant t rn t bu lmasr o tuz y l l ln r a lmrg . Yanr t la r a rasrndaonlarca bi l imsel 6 lkanm da var. Mevl6na nr ik leer pat lamayr, dr . inyanrnolugumunu, dr. . inyantn ve gezegenler in hareket in i , madde ve ant imaddeyive daha birqok bi l imsel gerge$i gunr imuzr in bi l im adamlarr kegfetmedenyuzyfi lar once agrklad rg r nl fark etmiI." lnside of each part ic le there is a hidden sun,Suddenly that part ic le opens i ts mouth.The galaxies and the Earth become shattered,ln f ront of that sun when i t comes out of h id ing"3(Bir grineg, bir zerre iqinde gizlidir! Sonra o zerre ansrztn aQzrnt aqtnca,O gune5in huzurunda prrsusundan frr ladrgl g ib i gokler de yer dezerre zerre olur!)a

$imdi yaptr f i t her konu5mada bu saptamalarrnr y i lkseksesle di le Eet i r iyor. Farkh cografyalarda kargl la$t tgt onlarca insantnRumi 'den alrntr yaptr$rnr ama onun adlnl annradrf rnr r izr i lerek i fadeediyor. Agkla Hazrate Eshgh'e (The God of l-ove) yeryuzrinde savaSlarrnsona erdirmesinive dr inyaya a5kt, banpr, huzuru, mut lu lu$u ve uyumuget i rmesi iq in dua ediyor.

Ayrr lma vakt imiz geldiginde benden de dunya barr5r ig indua etrnerni is tedi , inanmamr istedi . Dua inanon kel imelere dokr i lmr ighal i ise barrga inananlann sayrsr art t rk6a barrgrn dr" inyaya hakim olmasrkaqrnr lmaz. Bir kanat qtrpmasryla bagladr hergey ve dr inyaya agk geldi .

'ol-ove is your Pir, not the white beard,Love lends a hand to a hundred thousands of hopeless

onesi 'sMaj id Naini gergekten bu duinyada egine az rast lanrr b i r hazine.

Son derece kar izmat ik bir insan, hafrzasr kuvvet l i b i r konu5mact, eser ler ibe$eni toplayan bir yazar, i in lu bir b i l im insanr ve muci t , dunya barrgrnrndestekleyic is i ve dt i nyan r n onde gelen MevlAna a ragt l rmacl larrnda n bir io lmastntn yanr stra iy i kalpl i , gefkat l i ve sempat ik bir k ig i . Dort fark l r k l tadae$i t im gdrmrig, e$i t im vermig ve ya$amt5 bir insan, tarn anlamryla birdr inya vatandatt . Son 30 yr ldrr zamanrnrn bt iyr . ik b i r bolr imrini l dr . inyanrndort b i r yantnda, aralannda Pensi lvanya Universi tesi , Hawai i Universi tesi ,Colorado U niversitesi, i ran U n iversitesi, U rnrna n U niversitesi, M rsl rAmerikan Universi tesi ve Flor ida Universi tesi g ib i kurumlarda profesorkik,bolum bagkanlrgr ve dekanlrk gibi gorevlerde bulunmaya ayrrdl .

1 Mysteries of the Universe and Rumi's Discoviries on the Majestic Path of Love, Dr. Majid M. Naini, sayfa 1542 Mesnevi-i $erif, 5tileyman Nlahifi tercr.jmesi, Tima; Yaylnlarr, 2007, sy 3803 Mysteries of the Universe and Rumi's Discoviries on the Ma.lestic Path of Love, Dr. Majid M. Naini, sayfa 1264 Mesnevi-i gerif, Srileyman l{ahifi tercrimesi, Timag Yaylnlan, 2007, sy 7885 Mysteries of the Universe and Rumi's Discoviries on the Majestic Path of Love, Dr. Majid M. Naini, sayfa 248

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Suddenly that part ic le opens i ts mouth.The galaxies and the Earth become shattered,In f ront of that sun when i t comes out of h id ing"2

In al l h is speeches he loudly speaks of these determinat ions.He disappointedly explains that the tons of people whom he meets in

different geographies quote Rumi but make no reference to him. He prays

The God of Love wi l l br ing an end to war on earth and wi l l br ing love,peace, happiness and harmony to the wor ld.

When it was time to part, he asked me to pray for world peace

as wel l and asked me to have fai th. World peace is inevi table so long as the

number of people who bel ieve in peace increases; the state of prayer put

into words. Everything started from the clap of a wing and love came to

the world."Love is your Pir, not the white beard,Love lends a hand to a hundred thousands of hopeless onesi '3

Maj id Naini is t ru ly a rare t reasure in th is wor ld. Aside from

being an extremely char ismat ic person, a speaker wi th a strong memory,

an author whose work is admired, a famous scient ist and inventor,

a supporter of wor ld peace and one of the wor ld 's leading Molana

researchers, Dr. Naini is a k ind-hearted, compassionate and l ikeableperson. He studied, taught and l ived in four di f ferent cont inents - a t rue

ci t izen of the wor ld. He has dedicated the major i ty of h is last th i r ty years as

a professor, head of department and dean to inst i tut ions l ike Pennsylvania

University, Hawaii University, Colorado University, lran University, Oman

Universi ty, Egypt American Universi ty and Flor ida Universi ty.

1 Mysteries of the Universe and Rumi's Discoveries on the Majestic Path of Love, Dr. Majid M. Naini, page 1542 Mysteries of the Universe and Rumi's Discoveries on the Majestic Path of Love, Dr. Majid M. Naini, page 126

3 Mysteries of the Universe and Rumi's Discoveries on the Majestic Path of Love, Dr. Majid M. Naini, page 248

Majid M. Naini :Dr. Naini, an lvy League member, graduated

from Computer and Information Science from

the University of Pennsylvania, one of the most

reputable educational inst i tut ions, and has a

PhD in the same f ie ld . When UNESCO dec lared

2007 the year of the Molana, the 1 3th century

Sufi poet who in recent years has become

one of the most read poets in the US, Dr. Naini

was honoured to be the keynote speaker at

the United Nations on the anniversary of the

birth of Rumi and gave his views regarding

how to estab l ish g lobal peace and f r iendship

in l ight of Molana's teachings. Ravan Farhadi(the ambassador to the United Nations for

Afghanistan for 1 4years), a Berkeley and

Sorbonne professor and one of the world's

most respected Molana researchers says this

of Dr. Naini: "Of al l the speakers throughout

the world, Dr. Naini is the only one who knows

by heart the important sections of Mathnavi

and Divane Shams (Rumi's poetry books) and

translates them so beauti ful ly and accurately

in to Engl ish j 'Dr . Nain iS ta lks a t t rac t ind iv idua ls

from diverse cultures and backgrounds

with a broad range of interests including

science, technology, medicine, mysticism,

the mind-body-spir i t relat ion and balance,

the magical effect of love on the human l i fe

and condit ion, the l i fe journey, l i terature, and

poetry. Wherever Dr. Nainitalks, everyone is

amazed by his electr i fying and mesmerizing

rendit ion of Rumi's poetry and his abi l i ty to

explain the most complex subjects in simple

terms. Many members of Dr. Naini 's audiences

have commented that he "radiates warmth and

love and Rumi 's sp i r i t moves wi th in h im"and

they have been "transformed by his talks."The

reason why his books attract a diverse range

of people from dif ferent cultures, rel igions,

backgrounds and profess ions is h is new and

excit ing approach and because the latest

scienti f ic discoveries impressively unite with

myst ic ism. He has an unequal led ta lent

when exp la in ing even the most confus ing

scienti f ic subjects. More than 50,000 people

have watched Dr. Naini during his book tours.

He has been ment ioned in more than 500

newspapers, magazines, websites, TV and radio

programs around the world some of which

have been the San Francisco Chronicle,

Sun-Sent ine l and l ran T imes which is publ ished

in the US. Need we say more?