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Don’t GiveGive Up

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“Expertise comes when you

have made all the mistakes

possible in your field”

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nychypothermia orgnychypothermia.org

I. InductionII. MaintenanceIII. RewarmingIV. Normothermia

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The first 20 minutesThe first 20 minutes ABCsABCs

FingerstickFingerstick Neuro ExamNeuro Exam

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Lines/Tubes

What did them in?

STEMISTEMI

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Get a rectal temp

Screen for Hypothermia

Who do we we

cool?10

Cool EveryoneGoing to an ICU

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Any non-trauma,post-arrest patient, who doesn’t follow commands, being

admitted to anICU

The ArgumentThe Argument

9Induce as quickly as

possible

Induce with Induce with ICED SalineICED Saline

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Resus 2009;80:1223 & 123

Place onTemp Monitoring

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8esophageal probe to

avoid probe lag

Esophageal

Resus 2009; 80(7):837-8

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Insert temp chart

Device Time Lag

Intravascular Catheters None

Esophageal Probe 5 minutes (3-10)

Insert temp chart

Polderman Crit Care Med 2009; 37:1101–1120

Rectal Probe 15 minutes (10-40)

Bladder Probe 20 minutes (10-60)

Other Sites Who Cares!

Treat shivering Treat shivering aggressively

77Paralyze for Induction

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6Y d hi You need a machine.

More expensive = less work

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33° C (32 ° C)33 C (32 ° C)

5Post-arrest patients Post arrest patients

need incredible nursing, but that is not the hypothermia’s fault

4Don’t blame the Don t blame the

hypothermia for the hemodynamic

instability

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Bradycardia Dysrhythmia

bleeding33

Labs become tougher

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Blood GasesMgKClKCl

iCALGlucose

Resuscitation. 2010 Jan;81(1):117-22

KK 180180NEJM 2009;360:1283-1297Resuscitation 80 (2009) 624–630

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Blood Gas Torture

Alpha Statvsvs.

pH Stat

pHIncreases ICPIncreases CBFHigher PaCO2

AlphaDecreases ICPDecreases CBFLower PaCO2

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Easiest Way

•Don’t tell the lab anything•PaCO2 45•pH 7.35•PaO2 80 (100-120)

If you trust your Lab

•Correct for Temp•Verify on the results•Verify on the results•PaCO2 35•pH 7.45•PaO2 60 (80-100)

2Rewarm slowly Rewarm slowly

0.1 - 0.33 ° C per hourActively

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1H th i ll Hypothermia really

screws up prognostication, but…

To Review

All refs and slides at:

NYChypothermia.org

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