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784 COPIES OF APPLICATIONS SiR,-May I ask that the regional boards be more modest in their demands for copies of applications for appointments. I am convinced that no " short-listing " subcommittee could possibly require more than three copies of an application in the first instance, and that no candidate would begrudge the balance of ten or fifteen should he be selected to appear for interview. I am engaged at present with twenty-six copies of applications for three appointments. CANDIDATE. ŒSTROGEN THERAPY IN MENSTRUAL AND PREGNANCY DISORDERS SiR,-Your leading article of April 1, adopts a welcome tone of scepticism. It is, however, a pity that this scepticism has so closely approached obsession as -to have led to misrepresentation and misquotation of my paper 1 to which you refer in some detail. There are two main reasons why the daily dose of stilbcestrol advised for the control of prolonged uterine bleeding is given as 2-5 mg. In the first place, this has proved sufficient’ in most of my patients, and experience since the above-mentioned report was written has not changed my view ; in the second place, by using the minimal effective dose the incidence of toxic reactions to stilboestrol is kept to a low figure. Parenthetically, I have not found that ethinyl oestradiol, in effective doses, is much less liable than stilboestrol to produce toxic effects. Moreover-and this you omitted-the further advice is given that the dosage should be doubled if (and here I quote verbatim from my paper) " after 48 hours there is no sign of improvement." This expedient has seldom proved necessary, and when used has seldom failed. It is stated that I have claimed 100% success for the treatment advocated in cases of prolonged and excessive irregular uterine bleeding. Such a claim would clearly be ridiculous and the statement, as well as the sentence preceding it, is a gross misrepresentation. In point of fact, no claims of any sort were made, and in this particular group of patients evidence for the occurrence of ovulation following treatment was reported in 8 out of 19 patients, not 8 out of 8 as is suggested. I did not find " secretory endometrium in all of ... 8 cases in which initial biopsy showed a proliferative endometrium or cystic glandular hyperplasia." In case 1, for example, which is reported in detail, an initial proliferative biopsy was found in the 13-year-old subject of puberal menorrhagia, but no post-treatment biopsy was taken and it was quite obvious that ovulation was not occurring after treatment. In case 9, aged 27, also reported in detail, a proliferative endometrium was obtained after treatment which had followed the original Hamblen technique and relapse soon occurred ; a second course following the modification I have described was, howevei, succeeded by a secretory endometrial biopsy and the patient remains well. It is also deprecated that the ages of the patients and the interval between pre-treatment and post-treatment biopsies were not given. Actually, the ages and certain summarised details of all the cases mentioned in the report are given in tables, which, as was explained in a footnote to the paper, could not be published on account of restriction of space but which are available on applica- tion to anyone interested. The interests of accuracy might have prompted you to inquire for a copy of these tables. Finally, it is suggested that puberty bleeding and the " metropathic " type of maturity bleeding are likely to undergo spontaneous remission, the inference being that such an occurrence could explain the apparently success- 1. Swyer, G. I. M. Brit. med. J. 1950, i, 626. ful results of treatment. Certainly spontaneous remis- sions occur ; an example is described in my paper. But in my experience this has been exceptional possibly because the majority of the patients referred to me have already had symptoms extending over many months or years (4 months to 15 years in the group of cases reported) and have already failed to respond to treatment at the hands of other doctors. In cases such as these it seems at least as reasonable to suggest that a course of treat- ’ment (which, incidentally, relieves the patient of her symptoms at once) followed by apparent cure has played some part in producing the cure as to claim that the " cure " is no more than a spontaneous remission. University College Hospital, Obstetric Hospital, London, W.C.1. G. I. M. SWYER. * * * We were confining our comment to the 8 cases in which (we believed) biopsy was performed both before. and after treatment. That there were 8 cases of this kind was suggested by the following passage in Dr. Swyer’s paper : " Endometrial biopsies were taken before treatment in nine cases ; they showed a proliferative type of endo. metrium in seven cases and cystic glandular hyperplasia in two. In no case, therefore, was evidence of ovulation obtained. Biopsies were taken after treatment in eight instances (excluding a case of spontaneous cure) and showed secretory changes in seven of them. The single instance of a post-treatment proliferative biopsy ... followed a ’ C.D.’ (constant dosage) course of treat. ment, and relapse occurred three months afterwards; a ’D.S.-I.E.’ (diminishing stilbcestrol and increasing ethisterone dosages) course of treatment was then used, and three months after the end of this second course the endometrium was found to be secretory." It is now clear, however, that the before-treatment and after-treatment biopsies were not all performed on the same patients, and our suggestion of 100% success in this series therefore falls to the ground. Our mis- interpretation of the passage in question was, we think, excusable ; but we regret the wrong impression given.-ED. L. RESEARCH ON ARTHRITIS TREATMENT SIR,—The successful treatment of rheumatoid arthritis with deoxycortone plus ascorbic acid, introduced by Lewin and Wass6n,l raises at once the question as to the mechanism by which ascorbic acid is able to modify the physiological response to deoxycortone so profoundly. Although there is little doubt that ascorbic acid plays an important part in steroid metabolism, it appeared to me unlikely-especially in view of the high dose required to produce clinical improvement-that this effect could be entirely specific to ascorbic acid. The paper by Hallberg 2 has confirmed my opinion. Objections may be raised, however, against the role of a biological oxidising agent assigned to ascorbic acid in this article, unless it is assumed that oxidation of ascorbic acid preceded that of deoxycortone. In this case therapy with deoxycortone plus dehydroascorbic acid should give equally good results. Moreover, a much smaller dose of dehydroascorbic acid would probably be required, since it can hardly be postulated that all the ascorbic acid used in the Lewin and Wassen therapy is oxidised. An alternative hypothesis would be that ascorbic acid acts by suppressing heavy metal inhibition of an oxidase involved in steroid metabolism. The fact that identical clinical results have been obtained with a reducing agent (ascorbic acid) and an oxidising agent (methylene-blue) seems to indicate that the biological reactions involved in the modification of the physiological response to deoxycortone are complex. 1. Lewin, E., Wassén, E. Lancet, 1949, ii, 993. 2. Hallberg, L. Ibid, Feb. 25, p. 351.

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SiR,-May I ask that the regional boards be moremodest in their demands for copies of applications forappointments. I am convinced that no " short-listing

"

subcommittee could possibly require more than threecopies of an application in the first instance, and thatno candidate would begrudge the balance of ten or fifteenshould he be selected to appear for interview. I am

engaged at present with twenty-six copies of applicationsfor three appointments.

CANDIDATE.

ŒSTROGEN THERAPY IN MENSTRUAL ANDPREGNANCY DISORDERS

SiR,-Your leading article of April 1, adopts a welcometone of scepticism. It is, however, a pity that this

scepticism has so closely approached obsession as -tohave led to misrepresentation and misquotation of mypaper 1 to which you refer in some detail.

There are two main reasons why the daily dose ofstilbcestrol advised for the control of prolonged uterinebleeding is given as 2-5 mg. In the first place, thishas proved sufficient’ in most of my patients, and

experience since the above-mentioned report was writtenhas not changed my view ; in the second place, by usingthe minimal effective dose the incidence of toxic reactionsto stilboestrol is kept to a low figure. Parenthetically,I have not found that ethinyl oestradiol, in effectivedoses, is much less liable than stilboestrol to producetoxic effects. Moreover-and this you omitted-thefurther advice is given that the dosage should be doubledif (and here I quote verbatim from my paper)

" after48 hours there is no sign of improvement." This

expedient has seldom proved necessary, and when usedhas seldom failed.

It is stated that I have claimed 100% success for thetreatment advocated in cases of prolonged and excessiveirregular uterine bleeding. Such a claim would clearlybe ridiculous and the statement, as well as the sentencepreceding it, is a gross misrepresentation. In point offact, no claims of any sort were made, and in thisparticular group of patients evidence for the occurrenceof ovulation following treatment was reported in 8 outof 19 patients, not 8 out of 8 as is suggested.

I did not find " secretory endometrium in all of ...8 cases in which initial biopsy showed a proliferativeendometrium or cystic glandular hyperplasia." Incase 1, for example, which is reported in detail, an initialproliferative biopsy was found in the 13-year-old subjectof puberal menorrhagia, but no post-treatment biopsywas taken and it was quite obvious that ovulation wasnot occurring after treatment. In case 9, aged 27, alsoreported in detail, a proliferative endometrium wasobtained after treatment which had followed the originalHamblen technique and relapse soon occurred ; a secondcourse following the modification I have described was,howevei, succeeded by a secretory endometrial biopsyand the patient remains well.

It is also deprecated that the ages of the patients andthe interval between pre-treatment and post-treatmentbiopsies were not given. Actually, the ages and certainsummarised details of all the cases mentioned in the

report are given in tables, which, as was explained in afootnote to the paper, could not be published on accountof restriction of space but which are available on applica-tion to anyone interested. The interests of accuracymight have prompted you to inquire for a copy of thesetables.

Finally, it is suggested that puberty bleeding and the" metropathic " type of maturity bleeding are likely toundergo spontaneous remission, the inference being thatsuch an occurrence could explain the apparently success-

1. Swyer, G. I. M. Brit. med. J. 1950, i, 626.

ful results of treatment. Certainly spontaneous remis-sions occur ; an example is described in my paper. Butin my experience this has been exceptional possiblybecause the majority of the patients referred to me havealready had symptoms extending over many months oryears (4 months to 15 years in the group of cases reported)and have already failed to respond to treatment at thehands of other doctors. In cases such as these it seemsat least as reasonable to suggest that a course of treat-’ment (which, incidentally, relieves the patient of hersymptoms at once) followed by apparent cure has playedsome part in producing the cure as to claim that the" cure " is no more than a spontaneous remission.

University College Hospital,Obstetric Hospital,London, W.C.1.

G. I. M. SWYER.

* * * We were confining our comment to the 8 casesin which (we believed) biopsy was performed both before.and after treatment. That there were 8 cases of thiskind was suggested by the following passage in Dr.Swyer’s paper :

" Endometrial biopsies were taken before treatmentin nine cases ; they showed a proliferative type of endo.metrium in seven cases and cystic glandular hyperplasiain two. In no case, therefore, was evidence of ovulationobtained. Biopsies were taken after treatment in eightinstances (excluding a case of spontaneous cure) andshowed secretory changes in seven of them. The singleinstance of a post-treatment proliferative biopsy ...followed a ’ C.D.’ (constant dosage) course of treat.ment, and relapse occurred three months afterwards;a ’D.S.-I.E.’ (diminishing stilbcestrol and increasingethisterone dosages) course of treatment was then used,and three months after the end of this second course theendometrium was found to be secretory."

It is now clear, however, that the before-treatment andafter-treatment biopsies were not all performed on thesame patients, and our suggestion of 100% success

in this series therefore falls to the ground. Our mis-

interpretation of the passage in question was, we think,excusable ; but we regret the wrong impressiongiven.-ED. L.

RESEARCH ON ARTHRITIS TREATMENT

SIR,—The successful treatment of rheumatoid arthritiswith deoxycortone plus ascorbic acid, introduced byLewin and Wass6n,l raises at once the question as to themechanism by which ascorbic acid is able to modify thephysiological response to deoxycortone so profoundly.Although there is little doubt that ascorbic acid plays animportant part in steroid metabolism, it appeared to meunlikely-especially in view of the high dose required toproduce clinical improvement-that this effect could beentirely specific to ascorbic acid.The paper by Hallberg 2 has confirmed my opinion.

Objections may be raised, however, against the role ofa biological oxidising agent assigned to ascorbic acid inthis article, unless it is assumed that oxidation of ascorbicacid preceded that of deoxycortone. In this case therapywith deoxycortone plus dehydroascorbic acid shouldgive equally good results. Moreover, a much smallerdose of dehydroascorbic acid would probably be required,since it can hardly be postulated that all the ascorbicacid used in the Lewin and Wassen therapy is oxidised.An alternative hypothesis would be that ascorbic acidacts by suppressing heavy metal inhibition of an oxidaseinvolved in steroid metabolism.The fact that identical clinical results have been

obtained with a reducing agent (ascorbic acid) and anoxidising agent (methylene-blue) seems to indicate thatthe biological reactions involved in the modification ofthe physiological response to deoxycortone are complex.

1. Lewin, E., Wassén, E. Lancet, 1949, ii, 993.2. Hallberg, L. Ibid, Feb. 25, p. 351.