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Cognitive Processing: Advanced Focus on Conceptualizing &
Socratic Questioning
Elizabeth Risch, Ph.D.Saba Shahid, Psy.D.
Cognitive Processing Goals
•Correct dysfunctional beliefs created by traumatic events
•Develop understanding of the trauma within the context of the child’s life
• Focus is on Changing Thoughts to improve Feelings & Behaviors
Think (Cognition)
Do (Behavior)
Feel(Affect)
CognitiveTriangle
Situation
Where do I start? Identifying Distortions
5 Areas Commonly Affected by Trauma:
Of Self Of Others/WorldTrust I make bad decisions. I can’t trust
my own judgement.People can’t be trusted. Don’t trust the system; authority.
Control/Power I don’t have control of future.Control is all or nothing. Must control what I can.
Life is unpredictable, uncontrollable.
Esteem I am a bad kid. I am worthless. I am only valuable for…. People are bad, will hurt you.
Intimacy I shouldn’t get close to people. Others will take advantage of me. Relationships cause pain.
Safety I am unsafe. Something bad will happen to me….
Adults won’t keep me safe. Adults are dangerous.
Belief Systems 101: Storm Clouds
CORE BELIEF
I’m worthless.
Intermediate Belief
If I didn’t put out, guys wouldn’t like me.
Automatic ThoughtHe called me
because he heard I’m easy.
Typically, only see
this:
May see this:
STORM CELL
STORM CLOUD
RAIN DROPS
Key to UnderstandingTherapist needs hypotheses
Lens through which world is viewed
Not visible; Not heard
Identifying Dysfunctional BeliefsThroughout treatment, listen and watch for clues on how trauma has impacted child’s beliefs about self, others, world
(Possible) Dysfunctional
Belief
Client’s history of trauma experience &
relationships
Client Statements during treatment
Client Behaviors/Interactions
in Session
Client Behaviors/Interactions
with Others
Identifying Dysfunctional Beliefs‐ “Cassie"
BeliefsI’m only valuable for sex. (worthless)
Men (People) can’t be trusted.
People will hurt you.
HistorySexual abuse by stepfather for 10 yrsLove/affection from father; poor
relationship with motherMother did not believe; Placed in fostercare
Previous therapist unsupportive
Statements“I wonder if man in
waiting room abuses his daughter.”
Writing assnmnts
Interactions w/TherapistDefensive with therapist
Assumed therapist blamed her
Often disengaged
Real Life InteractionsCasual sexual encounters
Few close relationships; tumultuousDesire to recant to return home
Identifying Dysfunctional Beliefs‐ “Zach"
People can’t be trusted.
Emotions are bad.Bad things will happen even if I
try.
HistoryEarly neglect; Severe physical abuse
Over 10 placementsFailed adoptions due to behaviors
Has “talked about it” many times before in therapy
Statements“I don’t trust many
people.”“self‐sabotage”
Interactions w/Therapist
Uses therapy lingoEmotionally disconnected
Real Life InteractionsVerbal & physical aggression in home
directed at fatherSabotage when going well (e.g. not do
hmwrk = can’t play sports)
Identifying Dysfunctional Beliefs‐ “Spidey"
I’m a bad kid. I’m unlovable.Emotions are unsafe; Better to ‘lock it down.’
HistorySexual abuse by older sibling; no plans to
reunify older sib to familyEngaged in sexual behaviors with
younger siblingRemoved from home & last to be
reunifiedEmotional neglect
Statements“Mom will be mad at
me”Qs for conjoint
Interactions w/TherapistHIGHLY avoidantFear of conjoint
Insecure, tests relationship
Real Life InteractionsWell‐controlled with exception of
extreme outburstsAttention seeking with momDesires contact with older sib
Identifying Dysfunctional Beliefs‐ Alice
It was my fault.
Mom is mad at me/blames
me.
HistorySexual abuse by peer for years
Involved coercion but not physical forceSome physically pleasurable
Enjoyed attentionEnded due to being ‘caught’
StatementsHappy & Sad re: caught
Interactions w/TherapistDisengaged oftenVery concrete
Real Life InteractionsReactive towards mother
Activity: Complete for a current client
(Possible) Dysfunctional
Beliefs
Client’s history of trauma experience &
relationships
Client Statements during treatment
Client Behaviors/Interactions
in Session
Client Behaviors/Interactions
with Others
How Do Dysfunctional Beliefs Change?
• Awareness of Conflicting Information• Psychoeducation• Cognitive Processing
• Corrective Experiences• Trauma Narrative• Conjoint Sessions• Healthy Interpersonal Relationships (Parenting)
• Purposeful Change in Thinking• Cognitive Processing
Gradual, Effortful Process
Cognitive Processing: Phase Based Approach
Preparation/ Groundwork
• Validate current belief & connect to trauma experiences• Rate belief and connect to feeling• Obtain permission to evaluate
Cognitive Processing Technique
• Socratic Questioning• Best Friend Roleplay• Behavioral Experiment• Acting “As if”• Self‐disclosure
Re‐evaluate
• Summarize new information gained• Re‐rate original belief and connected feelings• Home assignment to read and rate new & old belief daily until next session
Preparation/ Groundwork
•Validate current belief & connect to trauma experiences•Rate belief and connect to feeling•Obtain permission to evaluate
There was a sentence in your story that I wanted to go back to and talk about a bit. You wrote, “I should’ve told my mom after the first time.” Could you tell me more about that?
If I would have told my mom or yelled, it wouldn’t have happened. I should have told.
So who would you say is responsible for you being sexually abused? Joey is, but I am too since it kept happening.
Okay, so it was Joey’s fault, but also you feel like it was your fault. From zero (not at all) to 100% absolutely; how much do you believe it is your fault?
A lot. Maybe 75%
And when you think, “It’s my fault the sexual abuse happened,” what feelings do you have?I feel bad. Guilty that I didn’t tell. And sad, I wish I did. And I’m mad at myself.
So you feel guilty and sad and even angry at yourself. Those are some really heaving feelings to carry around. Remember we learned before about being the boss of our thoughts? Would it be ok with you if we talk about your thought “Its my fault” and see if you decide to keep it as 75% your fault or if it might change at all?
Socratic Questioning
• Help clients identify, understand, and make changes to thoughts, beliefs and behaviors contributing to their current problems.
• Questioning that helps empower individuals to examine and determine the helpfulness or validity of their thoughts, beliefs and behaviors in a safe environment.
• Collaborative endeavor in spirit of guided discovery• Therapist has end goal
Socratic Questioning
•What is the end point/healthier thought?
•What evidence or examples of healthier thought do you want to elicit?
•What questions do you ask to get them there?
Adapted from slide by Shannon Dorsey, Washington Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science
Socratic Questioning
•Preparation is key• Need multiple paths (Q’s) to healthier belief
• Stay the course• Child may shoot down first attempt; Reword
•Highlight alternative thinking• Use Pauses, Reflections, Summaries
What else could explain?
Give me an example.
What are pros and cons of...
What do we know about... How do you know
this?Why is this the
best...How does... affect
....
How could you prove or disprove?
How does ... look in everyday life?
Old Thought: It’s my fault we’re in foster care. I never should have told.
Possible Endpoint: When I told, I kept my siblings safe.
What I want to tell her Turn into eliciting questions• Parents caused you to be in foster care
• Parents broke the law
• If didn’t tell, something worse could happen
• It was brave to tell
• You kept family safe
• How did you end up in fostercare?• Why do kids get put in foster care?• Did parents know it was wrong to hit?•What changed after foster care?•Why did you decide to tell?
Socratic Questioning Guide
Adapted from slide by Shannon Dorsey, Washington Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science
Old Thought: If I trust others, I will get hurt.
Possible Endpoint: Some people can earn my trust.
What I want to tell her Turn into eliciting questions• You are limiting self by past.
• Most parents take care of kids.
• You can trust your parents now.
• Trust isn’t all or nothing.
• Trust can be earned.
• Who have you trusted in the past?
Socratic Questioning Prep ‐ Child
Adapted from slide by Shannon Dorsey, Washington Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science
Old Thought: It’s my fault I was abused, I should have told.
Possible Endpoint: It’s the abuser’s fault.
What I want to tell child Turn into eliciting questions• You had reasons for not telling.
• Abuser scared you about telling.
• Most kids don’t tell.
• Abuser knew it was wrong.
Socratic Questioning Prep ‐ Child
Adapted from slide by Shannon Dorsey, Washington Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science
Old Thought: It’s my fault my daughter was abused, I should have known.
Possible Endpoint: I wish I would have known, but it was XXX’s fault for abusing her.
What I want to tell parent Turn into eliciting questions• You didn’t know. Abuser kept it that way.
• “Signs” could have been other things.
• No one assumes abuse.
Socratic Questioning Prep ‐ Caregiver
Adapted from slide by Shannon Dorsey, Washington Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science
Old Thought: Foster child’s behaviors are damage done, will have problems for life.
Possible Endpoint: Trauma has affected, but he will heal with support and stability.
What I want to tell parent Turn into eliciting questions• Some child misbehavior is normal.
• Treatment is effective. Kids heal.
• Support and stability at home are key.
• Behaviors are a reaction, way of coping.
Socratic Questioning Prep ‐ Caregiver
Adapted from slide by Shannon Dorsey, Washington Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science
Troubleshooting
• Client appears “lost” in discussion or Therapist feels going in circles• Be explicit in focus• Add structure or visuals• Use ratings to measure progress
• Client “arguing” for current belief or disengaged• Allow client to fully educate you on why he/she thinks this way• Validate current belief “It makes sense given your experiences of xyz…”
• Therapist struggling to find acceptable & true endpoint• Occurs when ideal isn’t reality (child may never see parent again, neighborhood is dangerous, etc)
• Belief often overgeneralized – What part isn’t true?• May seek consultation
Troubleshooting• Dysfunctional belief is vague – hard to challenge
• Turn into an “If‐then” statement.• “Emotions are bad.” “If I am not in control of emotions, I’ll lose it.”
• Child can’t do solely verbal activity• Actively connect belief – feeling in triangle walk through• Look for evidence & paste under old & new belief
• Therapist “stuck” because of caregiver’s unsupportive stance• Find a colleague to vent to• Acknowledge your alignment with client and then attempt to understand caregiver
• Baby‐steps on change with caregiver; Gradual, effortful process