Christian – Muslim Debate on the Bible and the Quran as Guidance for Mankind

7/23/2019 Christian Muslim Debate on the Bible and the Quran as Guidance for Mankind

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CHRISTIAN MUSLIM DEBATE

THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN AS GUIDANCE FOR

MANKIND

Representing the Bible SAMUEL TAJUDA

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Representing the Quran ABU JAIYANA

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Montaser HassanAugust 15 at 3:08pm

1 ON 1 FORMAL DEBATEFREE

Topic: WHICH GUIDANCE IS BETTER TO BE FOLLOWED, BIBLE OR QUR'AN?

Bible side: Samuel TajudaQur'an side: Abu Jaiyana

Sources:OPENLanguage: ENGLISH

DEBATE RULES AND FORMAT:1. Prsentation 2000 words maximum per debater2. Cross Examination 5 questions maximum3. Replies to cross Examination 500 words maximum per question.4. Rebuttal 2000 words maximum per debater5. Conclusion 700 words maximum per debater6. Time limit for posting replies to the opponent's post is 24 hrs.7. NO copy-pasting of articles from websites except biblical or Qur'anic passages or verse which willbe included in the maximum word count per debater8. Violations to the above rules will render the opponent winner of the debate.

Format:

1. Prsentation of the Bible side.2. Prsentation of the Qur'an side.3. The Qur'an side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the Bible side.4. The Bible side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question5. The Bible side would ask 5 questions maximum all at once to the Qur'an side6. The Qur'an side would answer all 5 questions with only 500 words maximum per question7. Rebuttal of the Bible side.8. Rebuttal of the Qur'an side.9. Conclusion of the Bible side.10. Conclusion of the Qur'an side.

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Samuel TajudaAh,,, ako pala ang una,,nasa lakad pa ako ngayon,, hindi pa ako nakauwi sa amin,,Pipilitin kong makalatag mamayang mga hatinggabi kung loloobin,, pero kung matatagalan pa ako dito sanilakad ko, baka bukas pa talaga.

English ba ang gagamitin?

Pagpasensyahan nyo na kung malainstallment ang dating ng arguments ko,,cp lang kc ang ginagamit ko atlimited lang ang pwede itype..Magbibigay nalang ako ng signal kung ako ay tapos na..(sumilip lang ako saglit dito ngayon)August 15 at 7:52pm Like2amuel TajudaGood day to allPeace be upon us. Assalam mualaikom to our muslim brethrens.It is w/ great pleasure for me to take this challenge to prove our Bible its betterness in all aspects against thequran. It's an opportunity for me to do my responsibility, as christian, to preach the good tidings of our LordJesus Christ and of our most high Father in heaven.

In our topic, ''which is better to be followed'', let's start finding the answer of it by knowing this thing first: what

we are going to follow? Is it the event in the history or the thing they preached within?Let's read the answer from the bible,"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received,and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless yehave believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).It is very clear that what we have to keep or to follow is the gospel that they preach for it is able to save oursouls. For this gospel didnt came from men but by God thru christ."Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16).

So, what makes it better than the quran?Here, brothers and sisters, i will show you how better the doctrine in the bible is.

I'll post some of it;"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and prayfor them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (Matthew 5:44)."But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the

judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoevershall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22)."Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evilconcupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on thechildren of disobedience:.....August 15 at 11:51pm Like1Samuel Tajuda.....In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off allthese; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another,

seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed inknowledge after the image of him that created him:" (Colossians 3:5-10).

That is just some of the best teachings in the bible that leads us into salvation... The best to be followed.

my brethren before i finish my first stand, i will not attack nor defame their quran BUT I DARE CHALLENGEMY OPPONENT TO SHOW US HERE THE BETTER TEACHINGS OF QURAN THAN WHAT I HAVEPOSTED FROM THE BIBLE.
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BUT IF HE FAILS TO DO SO.....===YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS===August 15 at 11:54pm Like1

Samuel TajudaThat's all. Thank youTO GOD BE THE GLORY

August 15 at 11:55pm Like1

Montaser HassanThanks also Samuel for your Presentation of ur stand in this debate thread.

It's nowAbu Jaiyana's turn for his prsentation. 24 hrs is the time limit for him to present his stand.August 15 at 11:59pm Like3

Abu JaiyanaI begin by mentioning the name of God, Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

All praise is due to Allah alone. He it is Who hath sent His Messenger, Muhammad s.a.w. with theguidance and the Religion of Truth, Islam, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much

the idolaters may be averse.

After that:

Peace be unto those who follow the right guidance. A warmest greetings to all the readers of this debate,especially to our Christians friend Samuel Tajuda who is passionately defending and propagating themessage of the Bible, and to all Muslims and Non-Muslims in general.

The topic of this debate is somehow we are going to compare the Bible and the Quran and then wedecide which of these two books we should follow. Certainly both books teaches many good things whichare objectively good. However, there are irrefutable reasons why any person should follow the Quraninstead of the Bible.

Our friend Samuel Tajuda, in his presentation did not really give us an objective reason why we shouldfollow the Bible instead of the Quran. What he did was he quoted the words of Paul of Tarsus such as in1 Corinthians 15:1-2, Colossians 3:5-10, and et cetera which made him think that he should be followingthe Bible; he may be right of he may be wrong. However, he did not quote the Word of God Himselfwhich commands him to follow the Bible.

The reason for not quoting the very Word of God by our friend Samuel Tajuda, is because suchcommandment DOESNT EXIST anywhere in the Bible. The word Bible itself, doesnt exist anywhere inthe entire Bible which refers to itself. The Word Bible is from the from Koine Greek , t bibla,which simply means "the books". Any collections of codified books for that matter is called bible.

1. QURAN, THE BOOK OF GUIDANCE.

As for me and for all Muslims, we follow the Quran not because of our personal reasoning but primarilybecause God says so.

First the Quran claims to be the word of God, and it challenges the whole mankind who doubted that itindeed the Word of God, to produce one singe surah (chapter) like it in Surah 2:23

This challenge was and is not disproven in the past and in the present. It simply proves that the Quran is
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the Word of God.

God says in the Quran that it is the Book in which there is NO DOUBT, and a GUIDANCE to those whofear God, Surah 2:2this is God speaking here, not anybody else, Ladies and Gents.

Unlike the Bible which doesnt address itself as Bible, the Quran as a sacred Book, it calls itself as the

Quran 70 times, amazing right?

2. CLEAR MONOTHEISTIC THEOLOGY

What is very interesting with the teachings of the Quran is its monotheistic teaching. In Surah 112:1-4, itteaches us pure, and uncorrupt monotheism, that is the oneness of God.

Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. Andthere is none comparable unto Him.

It simply tells us that God is absolute and eternal, which means He doesnt depend on an ything, buteverything depends on Him. He has neither beginning nor end, no parents, no offspring like sons of

daughters, and He is beyond comparison.

Examine the Bible, it teaches that God has Sons, both allegorical and physical sons such as JesusChrist- How could God beget a son who is a mere human being, a mortal, and imperfect being.

If God has a literal son, then necessarily the son is also God, then we end up having multiple Gods, i.e.Mythology.

If Jesus is not a literal son of God, then Jesus is not God, therefore, Trinitrian Christianity is a false, anddoomed religion.August 16 at 11:34am Like2

Abu Jaiyana3. WHAT RELIGION TO FOLLOW?

The Quran clearly state, what the religion of God that people must adhere to.

This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me!This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen foryou as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving,Merciful. Surah 5:3

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissenttherefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the

Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Surah 3:19

So the Quran tells us very clearly that the religion that we should be following is Islam whether wefollow it or not is upon our choice, there is no compulsion in religion as God said in Surah 2:256.

On the other hand, there is nowhere in the Bible which says follow Christianity, or Catholicism, or BornAgain, or any particular religioneverything is based on personal interpretations, and like and dislikeswhich clearly implies CONFUSION among the people.
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4. THE QURAN IS AN INCORRUPTIBLE BOOK.

It is preserved primarily be memorization, and then by written texts, and it has a challenge to mankind asmentioned above to disprove it by producing a single chapter like itMuslims are unanimous to this fact.God promises in the Quran, We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredlyGuard it (from corruption) Surah 15:9.

Compare that to the Biblethe Bible is not preserved in its original form, and it was never memorizedeven by the early Christians.

Even Jesus didnt know and see the final form of the Christian Bible because the Bible was compiled byUNKNOWN individuals many years after Jesus.

Christians had been debating who wrote the Book of Hebrews, who Mark really is, et cetera, and moreimportantly, the Christians can not agree unanimously how many books are there in the Bible, and whichversion of the Bible is correct.

5. BLASPHEMY IN THE BIBLE

There are passages in the Bible which is so blasphemous to God, which I think made the Bible deservingto be burn due to the severity of this blasphemy. It is attributing IGNORANCE to God.

God did not know the future and consequences of His acts so he repented after finding out that He hasmade something incorrect, or not what He expected to happen.

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis6:6

And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:14Compare to the Quran:

Say: Do you instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on theearth; Allah is Knowing of all things Surah 49:16

There are lots of these verses in the Bible Ladies and Gents God is all-knowing, not an ignorant being.August 16 at 11:36am Like3

Abu Jaiyana6. BAD EXAMPLES

God sent Prophets and Messengers as examples, role models, and spokesmen to the people. However,the Bible is shamelessly portraying those Holy Men as bad examples, and False Prophets.

Noah, was seen drunk and naked in Genesis 9:21-22One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent. Ham,the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.

Prophet Lot (Lut) had sex with his own daughters in Genesis 19:30-38This Holy Prophet of God isaccused INCEST Ladies and Gents

In 1 Kings 11:4 Prophet Solomon, the Prophet with the Psalm, worshipped idolsHORRIBLE!
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As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted tothe LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been.

How could a Holy Prophet of God become an idol-worshiper folks??? Is this not a great blasphemy??

7. JESUS BEING PROVEN AS FALSE PROPHET IN THE BIBLE.

Now, the Christians are boasting about their god, Jesus, being sinless, unlike the previous Prophets.Really?

In the new Testament, Jesus can not even be considered as a true Prophet, let alone God because helied by making an irrefutable false prophecy:

For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay everyman according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who willnot taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 16: 27, 28

Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth itsleaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He isnear, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things takeplace. Matthew 24: 25-34

Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these thingsbegin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. ThenHe told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see itand know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening,recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until allthings take place. Luke 21:27-32

But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, I adjure you by the living God, that you tell uswhether you are the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said to him, Y ou have said it yourself; nevertheless Itell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on theclouds of heaven. Matthew 26: 63, 64

Those were clear verses about the supposed return of Jesus before his supposed eye-witnesses wouldpass away. You know what?? Even if those people would be RESURRECTED 10 TIMES, they will dieten times with the FRUSTRATIONS about Jesus not coming back.

Jesus, according to the bible was a FALSE Prophet. How can that be ladies and gents??

I was smiling when our friend Samuel Tajuda, quoted the words of Paul in his presentation because

perhaps he didnt know that Paul was one of those who were deceived by the false Prophecy of Jesus inthe Bible.

Paul indeed believed that Jesus will be coming very soon as per Jesus prophecy quoted above, butunfortunately for him, Jesus did not come back during his life time:

Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, onwhom the end of the ages has come. 1 Corinthians 10:11


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Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From nowon, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they werenot mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as thoughthey had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For thepresent form of this world is passing away. 1 Corinthians 7:27,29 -31

There are lots and lots of reasons why we should not follow the Bible even though it contains some goodteachings. The danger and risk is too much for our salvation.

Our only alternative is the Quran because of the reasons which I mentioned above.

May God open our hearts and guide us always to the right path.

Thank you.August 16 at 11:52am Like4

Samuel TajudaCan you please count the number of words being used by abu in his arguments,hassan?

(kasi sa tingin ko ay sumobra sya sa nakatakdang bilang)August 16 at 12:10pm Like1

Montaser HassanU can check it Samuel. I'll check it,too, later.August 16 at 1:18pm Like

Abu JaiyanaReligion ang pinag uusapan dito, masama mandayaSamuel Tajuda.Pwede mo e-copy-paste sa msword yan para hindi ka mahirapan magbilang.August 16 at 1:20pm Like2

Montaser HassanIt's ur turn now Abu Jaiyana to give ur 5 questions max to Samuel as CrossExaminationAugust 16 at 1:51pm Unlike2

Abu JaiyanaCROSS EXAMINATION

Questions for Samuel Tajuda:

1. Is there any verse in the entire Bible in which God Himself says that we should follow the bible? If thereis any, which version of the Bible is it?

Please take note that Im asking Gods commandment, not anyone else, and please provide the exactreference from the Bible.

2. What moral lesson we could get and apply in ourselves from the scandalous stories of the Prophets inthe Bible such as, the drank and naked Prophet Noah, the Incestuous Prophet Lot, the Idol-worshipperKing Solomon, and the Liar Jesus for making false prophecies?
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3. Jesus also said in the Bible that those who live by the sword will die by the sword Matthew 26:52. Thiswas the order of Jesus to Petterdo you believe that it is actually a true statement?

4. I cited the verse in the Bible which says that God repented which indicates His ignorance about thefuture, do you believe that God repents?

5. In all the thousands of sects in Christianity using the Bible as their book of guidance, which of thesesects is correct according to the Bible, or is the Bible silent about the issue of following the right religion, itis just a matter of personal understanding rather than of clear instruction from God?

Thank you.


Samuel TajudaAnswer 1.in the bible, there are two stories that arise, the jews and their fall and the christian as they began toreign.

God thru Christ commanded us to follow His words"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and ofthe Holy Ghost: TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo,I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20).

Which translation?All translations in any langguages for God was the one who confound our langguages and of course Hewill command some people to translate it in all languages also so that all can hear and understand Hiswords.

(baka mamayang gabi pa ako makabalik, duty pa sa work)


Samuel Tajuda2. (though its not related to my argument, i'll still answer it)

the moral lesson we could get from their deeds is written here

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written FOR OURADMONITION, upon whom the ends of the world are come.1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent WE SHOULD NOT LUST AFTER EVILTHINGS, as they also lusted.

August 16 at 7:11pm Like

Samuel Tajuda3. Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all theythat take the sword shall perish with the sword.
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THAT STATEMENT IS TRUE,but peter is not a swordman but fisherman of fish and later on became a fisherman of men.


Samuel Tajuda4. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grievedhim at his heart.

the word "repented


Samuel Tajuda'4. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grievedhim at his heart.

the word "repented" there is a MISTRANSLATION, for the kjv and some translator translate literally thehebrew word "ncham" pronounce as "naw-kham'"

that word has a lot of meaning depends on how it is used in sentence.

here is what it means

nchamnaw-kham'A primitive root; properly to SIGH, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be SORRY, that is, (in afavorable sense) to PITY, CONSOLE or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to AVENGE (oneself): -COMFORTt (self), EASE [ones self], REPENT (-er, -ing, self).

SOME translator used the "repent" instead of "sigh or sorry"but some got the correct translation of ithere they are

WEBGen 6:6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart.

NHEBGen 6:6 The LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him in his heart.

BBEGen 6:6 And the Lord had sorrow because he had made man on the earth, and grief was in his heart.

WHAT MADE THEY WRONG IN USING "REPENT" AND NOT "SORRY, SORROW OR SIGH"?

here is the proofNum 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, THAT HE SHOULDREPENT: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE.

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Samuel Tajuda5. THE correct or the true christian are those who was built by God thru Christ around2,000 years ago, and by the gospel we became a member of it

1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have FELLOWSHIP

with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.


Montaser HassanAre you done Samuel Tajuda 4 ur Replies?


Samuel TajudaYES hassan


Montaser HassanThanks! You may give ur Cross Examination anytime from now (atleast 24hrs timelimit). 5 questions maximum all at once.


Samuel TajudaOK


Montaser HassanIt's a normal way na bago tau tatalima at mag-uumpisa sa ganitong Formal Debate aynabasa natin lhat at naintindihan ang nakatakdang RULES AND FORMAT OF THE DEBATE. JUST PMME 4 ANY CLARIFICATION REGARDING THIS THREAD. I'm not the assigned moderator, but as co-admin of this group ay tumutulong lng para maassist ito. PEACE!


Samuel TajudaMY CROSS EXAMINATION TO THE ARGUMENTS OFAbu Jaiyana

Q1.

is quran a word of allah alone and none else like muhamad or iblis?

Q2First the Quran claims to be the word of God, and it challenges the whole mankind who doubted that itindeed the Word of God, to produce one singe surah (chapter) like it in Surah 2:23

just Yes or No

are you sure that paul and other apostle didnt produce a single chapter which is better than the chaptersin your quran?
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Q3.2:2 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).the word "scripture" means that it is already witten before he said it.is the "scripture" written here is the same"scripture" being mentioned in surah 10:94 and 9:29? why orwhy not

Q4.do noah and other prophets whom you say as "bad example" are not prophets in quran book also?

Q5.if judaism and christianity are a doomed religion, why allah says that whosoever judge not according tothe gospel are evil livers/doers? why not quran instead of the gospel in surah 5:47?August 16 at 9:53pm Like2

Montaser HassanWe'll wait Abu Jaiyana's reply. (24 hrs Time Limit)


Abu JaiyanaQuestion#1, Answer.

Yes, there is no other word in the Quran besides the Words of God, Allah. The statement of the Angels,Adam, Iblis, and others are merely quoted by Allah when Allah is narrating their stories. That is why averse may say and theAngels said. and Iblis said and Adam said which mean that Allah is quotingtheir statements.

To make it easy for you to understand, let me give you this example:

Im telling you that your friend Montaser Hassan has said the debate between Samuel Tajuda, andAbuJaiyana is very exciting

So these words or statement of Montaser Hassan which you came to know is through MY Wordsbecause I narrated it to you, not because Montaser Hassan has personally told you so.

Similarly, when God, Allah quoted the statements of the Angels or Iblis or anyone else, the entirenarration is Gods Word, not the words of those whom God has quoted to have said something.

The Quran was a direct revelation from God to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. through Angel Gabriel, sothere is no way that any other words can mix with it except that they were quoted statements.

Thanks .

Question#2, Answer.

Yes Im pretty sure that Paul did not and could not produce even a single chapter of the Quran due to thefollowing facts:

1. The Quran is in Arabic language and the peak of eloquence in Arabic language while Paul or any of
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the disciples did not speak Arabic, let alone eloquent Arabic.2. The most eloquent people in Arabic language are those contemporaries of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.however, they were not able to meet the Quranic challenge, how much more the non-Arabic speakingpeople.3. None of the writings of Paul or of any disciples is known to be eloquent, let alone be of the same levelof the eloquence of the Quran.

If you know of any eloquent passage in the New Testament, translate it to Arabic and let us examine if itcan match the Quran.

Ill give you an example.

The theme is monotheism. Chapter 112:1-4

Qul Huwallaho AhadAllahos-SamadLamyalid wa LamyuladWa Lamyakullaho kufuwan ahad.

Produce a chapter like it - it is a very short chapter only. Make sure it talks about the same theme so wewill not be comparing apples with oranges. Provide the translation as well.

Thanks.

Question #3 Answer:

The Quran is a complete scripture even before it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. in the LahwAl Mahfuz. It was revealed in stages within the period of 23 years depending on the circumstance of thetime.

It is not the same scripture as mentioned in Surah 10:94 and in 9:29. You misunderstood those twoverses because they are talking about people who read the scripture, i.e. Jews and Christians. It is nottalking about the scriptures themselves. So thats a correction to your misunderstanding of those twoverses.

Moreover, the people of the scripture or better known as People of the Book which is referring to theJews and the Christians are called as such because there were revelations sent by God to them, theToran and the Psalms, and the Injeel of Jesus, respectively.

Those former revelations were not preserved by them, and what has been left therein are mixtures oftruth and falsehood, that is why the Quran is the Muhaimen, filter, or criterion what is acceptable andwhat is not acceptable from them.

The examples of those unacceptable stuff from those scriptures are those which I mentioned in mypresentation.

Thanks.

Question #4 Answer:

Oh yes, Noah, Lot, Solomon, and Jesus peace be upon them all are all Prophets of God in the Quran as


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well, but unlike the Bible which portray them as bad examples because of those scandalous acts writtentherein, it is not to be found in the Quran.

In the Quran those Prophets have no record of any scandalous acts, they were good examples in theQuran. It doesnt make any sense that the chosen people of God are bad examples because they arerepresenting God.

Therefore, in that premise, it is better for you and for your Christian brethren to abandon the Bible andfollow the Quran.

Thanks.

Question #5 Answer:

First of all, I didnt say that Judaism is a doomed religion. You have a habit of misquoting peoplesstatement my friend. What I said about doomed religion in my presentation is related to the Trinitarianreligion, i.e. those religion which teaches that God is 3in1. So dont misquote me, it wont work my friend.

Secondly you also falsely presumed that the Gospel mentioned in the Quran is your Bibleyou areabsolutely wrong my friend. The Gospel mentioned in the Quran is clearly the Gospel of Jesus Christ itis a revelation from God after the Totah of Moses and the Psalm of David.

The Gospel mentioned in the Quran was revealed to Jesus Christ, while your Bible such as the NewTestament was not seen, let alone read by Jesus.

The New Testament is a collection of writings of both known and unknown people long after Jesussothat could never be the Gospel of Jesus.

Read the context of the verse again so you wont be misguided:

5: 46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come beforehim: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had comebefore him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5: 47. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by(the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

So you are told to judge what Allah has revealed in the Gospel of Jesus, not what Paul, or Mark, or Luke,or Matthew, or John wrote.

What did God revealed in the Gospel of Jesus?

Let the Quran speak:

5: 45. And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose forthe nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whosoforgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hathrevealed: such are wrong-doers.

So Judge according to that ruling because that is what the Quran is saying according to the very contextof the verse. You just need to read two verses before Surah 5:47, you will understand the context.


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There is no way you can distort the meaning of any of the verses of the Quran my friend in my presencebecause I read and studied our sacred scripture.

Thank you.

August 16 at 10:49pm Like7 Abu JaiyanaThanks BroMontaser Hassan.Samuel Tajudamay now proceed to his rebuttal, with the 24

hours time limit.

Thank you.August 16 at 10:53pm Like

Montaser HassanMa-shaa Allah. Thanks, too, bro Abu Jaiyana.

Samuel, u can lay anytime ur Rebuttal as what the Format of this debate states. smile emoticon


Samuel TajudaAs what i have said, we are debating about the BETTER and not the worse thing in ourHoly Book.Instead of taking my challenge to him to present the better guidance than what i have posted from Bible,hed rather post the sad but true happenings in the bible that muhammad had forgot to copy. Like whatreally had happen to noah and lut, instead of writing the true event, muhammad forged and fabricated adifferent story about them thats why allah punished him.

Quran 69:44-46

And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right

hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. (Shakir)

Muhammad, being illiterate and ignorant, had just invent his own versin of story about the said prophetsthats why allah had cut off his aorta. Here is the proof:

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428

The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by thefood I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if MY AORTA IS BEING CUT from that poison.

Sunan Abu Dawud 4498

A Jewess presented [Muhammad] at Khaibar a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle ofAllah ate of it and the people also ate. He then said: Lift your hands (from eating), for it has informed methat it is poisoned. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Marur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (andsaid to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done? She said: If you were a prophet, it wouldnot harm you; but if you were a king, I would rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah then orderedregarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel painfrom the morsel which I had eaten at Khaibar. This is the time when IT HAS CUT OFF AORTA.

NOW lets back to his arguments,
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He said, no one has disproven the claim of their book that NO ONE can make any surah that states thesame on any surah of quran (2:23)... OH WHAT A FOOLISH CLAIM . IF MANY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TOTRANSLATE ALL SURAH OF QURAN....HOW MUCH MORE IN MAKING THE SAME SURAH???REALLY FOOLISH CLAIM.

HE also used the surah 2:2 and it says like this

2:2 This is the Scripture (or Book) whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).The ayah/verse is mentioning about the sripture/book w/c was given to him as guidance. It plainly statesthat the said scripture is already written in a book when HE gave IT to him.For it says THIS IS THE SCRIPTUREIt didnt say that this WILL BE the scripture.........write thisThere is A BIG DIFFERENCE in that kinds of statements.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BOOK OF QURAN THAT MUSLIMS HAVE POSSESSED TODAY ISORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY THE CALIPHS AFTER THE DEATH OF SO-CALLED PUPPET,MUHAMMAD. THEY CANT DENY THAT.So, what is that scripture being mentioned there as the book of guidance?LET US ASK ALLAH IF WHAT BOOK HE IS REFFERRING. LETS READ

10:94 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then questionthose who read the Scripture (THE BIBLE) (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hathcome unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.29:46 And argue not with the People of the Scripture (BIBLE) unless it be in (a way) that is better, savewith such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us andrevealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.29:47 In like manner We have revealed unto thee the Scripture (BIBLE), and those unto whom We gavethe Scripture aforetime will believe therein; and of these (also) there are some who believe therein. Andnone deny Our revelations save the disbelievers.

IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE SCRIPTURE GIVEN BY ALLAH AS A GUIDANCE IS THE SCRIPTURE

GIVEN AFORETIME (the scripture given before allah was born) and that is the BIBLE.

OUR brother here also has a problem of having many Gods in the bible. That is true. But, Does the bibletold us to worship all known Gods? The answer is a BIG NO... for the bible teaches only to worship theGOD OF ALL GODS who created all things.

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many,and lords many,)1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one LordJesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall WORSHIP THE FATHER inspirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

SEE... only the FATHER must be worshipped because HE is the MOST HIGH GOD, the GOD ofgods(including allah).Psa 82:1 GOD stands in the congregation of the mighty; HE judges among the gods.

According to him,The Religion BEFORE Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissenttherefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny theSigns of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Surah 3:19. And he concluded that quran tells us to


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follow islam. (note: this religion is BEFORE ALLAH, not after allah. It exists before their god exist. WHATA JOKE HEHEHEHE)NOW LETS READ SOME COMMANDMENTS IN QURAN, THEN ASK YOURSELVES IF IT IS REALLYGOOD TO FOLLOW

QURAN

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them,3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers.9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them(captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.22:19 These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning theirLord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poureddown on their heads,22:20 Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted;22:21 And for them are hooked rods of iron.22:22 Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it issaid unto them): Taste the doom of burning.

Compare to the BIBLEMat 5:44 But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them thathate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;Mat 5:46 For if all of you love them which love you, what reward have all of you? do not even thepublicans the same?1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

WELL, I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHICH GUIDANCE IS BETTER TO BEFOLLOWED.August 17 at 9:59pm Like

Samuel TajudaBEFORE I FORGOT HE HAS ALSO MISINTERPRETED THIS VERSES IN THE BIBLE.I will just explain this to him.

For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay everyman according to his deeds. Truly I say toyou, there are some of those who are STANDING HERE whowill not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. Matthew 16: 27, 28

HE has a problem with the phrase STANDING HERE...he WRONGLY INTERPRETED IT.

According to Jesus there are some of those who are STANDING HERE who will not taste death untilthey see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom...STANDING WHERE? IS IT IN THE LITERAL PLACEWHERE THEY STOOD?Let us analyze the whole chapter CONTEXTUALLY in order to get the correct interpretaion of thatverses.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this ROCK I will build my CHURCH;and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.Mat 16:19 And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind onearth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
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Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go untoJerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and beraised again the third day.Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from you, Lord: this shall notbe unto you.Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get you behind me, Satan: you are an offence unto me: for

you savour not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, andtake up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shallfind it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or whatshall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shallreward every man according to his works.Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some STANDING HERE, which shall not taste of death, till theysee the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

GOD thru Christ built the Church upon a ROCK, and that rock or stone was ChristAct 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ ofNazareth, whom all of you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man standhere before you whole.Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nothing of you builders, which is become the head of thecorner.

So, the CHURCH (the people standing upon the rock) will remain till he come back.And its true, for the CHURCH is still here (alive) today and will remain STANDING until he come back.

IN HIS CONCLUSION ALSO, HE SAID,

There are lots and lots of reasons why we should not follow the Bible even though it contains some goodteachings. The danger and risk is too much for our salvation.

Our ONLY ALTERNATIVE is the Quran because of the reasons which I mentioned above.

HE ADMITTED THAT THE BIBLE CONTAINS GOOD TEACHINGS...AND I PRESSUMED THAT HEADMITTED ALSO THAT THE BIBLE IS REALLY THE MAIN SOURCE TO ATTAIN SALVATION, forthe quran is ONLY AN ALTERNATIVE according to him.


Abu JaiyanaRebuttal

Bismillah.

Im sorry for the defeat of my Christian opponent in this debate, Samuel Tajuda because he did not wantto follow the rules of the debate which he presumably read before this debate starts.

You know folks, when we represent a religion, we should show to our audience that we are not unrulypeople, that we respect what we have agreed upon to follow, not be deceitful in our words.
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The defeat of my opponent is nothing to me, it is not much important to those who are seeking the truth,but we have to discipline people who have no self-discipline to their own selves. Im sure that theChristian audience would not feel happy for what Samuel Tajuda has done.

Anyway, there is not much stuff to rebut here about the Quran because Samuel Tajuda did not sayanything about the Quran in his presentationhe was merely presenting his bible presuming that there

are no problem in his bible as a scripture and with its contents.

In my presentation I pointed out that there is a necessity of knowing whether or not God has told us tofollow the Quran or the Bible because God knows what is the truth and He has to inform us which Bookof Guidance we should be followingit is not a matter personal opinion because we are not infallible, wemay be right or we may be wrong.

I clearly pointed out that God told us to follow the Quran because it is a Book in which there is no doubt aguidance for the believers as stated in Surah 2:2-3.

In contrast, I asked Samuel Tajuda whether there is such command of God for them in the Bible Hisclear answer is a BIG NO!

He cited Matthew 28:19-20 in which Jesus supposedly told his disciples to teach all nations and baptizethem, ect, but that was not my question folks, and that is totally 100 miles away from the truth becausethose disciples didnt have the New Testament in their hands that time simply because the NewTestament was written by both known and unknown many, many years after Jesus therefore, it isextremely impossible to construe that passage as a commandment to follow the Bible.

Samuel Tajuda is also ignorant about the difference between a translation and a version it seems that Iam more familiar about his Bible that him. I asked him which version of the Bible is to be followed, but heresponded about following any translation. Very funny.

Please take note Samuel Tajuda that Version and Translation are not the same banana. I dont have the

opportunity to elaborate that here though I really love to teach you something about that issue. Take thatas your homeworkdont be offended, okay?

I also pointed out that God did choose special people to deliver His message to mankind throughouthistory such as the Prophets which serves as role models for their respective people that is what wefind in the Quran.

However, in contrast, the Bible says that those God-chosen people are immoral men, bad examples forus, and a shame to God.

Imagine that President Pinoy Aquino sends ambassador to Rome, when the ambassador is there, hewas seen by the people of Rome to be a drunkard, or naked due to drunkenness, worships idols, have

sex with his own daughter for whatever reasonwould that NOT embarrass the President? It will notonly embarrass the President but also it will be a big shame to all Filipinos.

So what is the moral lesson there? Nothing, no moral lessor whatsoever except IMMORALITY.

Imagine if someone is doing any of those immoralities, and in the Day of Judgment God will question thatperson why did he commit such shameful and sinful acthe would simply say that well, im justanordinary person, even you best men Oh God, Your Prophets did the same, so why blame me?


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You see how God would be embarrassed about it.

Praise be to God, those immoralities attributed to the Prophets is not found in the Quran, it is only foundin the Bible. So We should choose to follow the Quran instead of the Bible.August 18 at 9:31am Like1

Abu JaiyanaI also asked Samuel Tajuda about the statement of Jesus in the Bible , Put up again thysword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. In Mat. 26:52 andSamuel Tajuda confirmed it without any clue about the implication of my question.

Folks, that statement attributed to Jesus Christ is FALSE!!! Not all who take swords will perish by thesword.

Classic example is the Sahabi KHALID IBN WALID r.a.he was literally a man of sword to the extentthat he was name Saifullah (Sword of Allah) because his life is dedicated to fighting and fightingstrategies. He was the commander during the Battle of Uhad against the Musims and the Muslims were

defeated. When he became a Muslim, he was the commanders of many battles against the Romans andthe Persians, and he and his men were able to defeat their enemies despite their small number. Guesswhat, he didnt die in battle, he died in natural death .

There are many people who lived by the sword but didnt die by it you know soldiers

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