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"Cats,Dogs,Camels,Goats & Madmen"
Los Angeles, January 3, 1974
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Prabhupada: ...is that nrpa-linga-dharam sudram. The sudras, fourth-class
men, they are on the government executive. This is one defect. And another
defect is ghnantam go-mithunam pada, maintaining large-scale
slaughterhouse. These are the two defects of modern civilization. They..., on
the top of government there are sudras, not ksatriyas. Neither they are guided
by intelligent class, brahmanas. Pariksit Maharaja's first beginning is dvija-
varya-siksaya. The guidance was first-class brahmanas, and he was a
ksatriya, first-class. And there was no animal slaughterhouse. They are also
suffering. They are bringing every day some problem. "What is the solution ofthis problem, what is this solution...?" But why the problems are coming?
Because the defect is there that the, on the head of the government there are
sudras and they are busy in cow-killing, maintaining slaughterhouse. This is
the defect. And they are not guided by the first-class, intelligent class of men.
[break]
Prajapati: ...getting worse over these five thousand years, but by a
reintroduction, reintroducing Krsna consciousness, the tide can be turned in
age of Kali?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. That is the only remedy. That is the only remedy.
Anyone who takes to this chanting of Hare Krsna mantra, he'll be cleansed of
all sinful activities and then everything will come out nice. And it is practical. It
is not story. Just see, all our disciples in Europe, America, they were
habituated to so many bad habits, and because they are chanting, they are
now cleansed. So it is small-scale. If you propagate it large-scale, everyone
will be cleansed. [break] ...disciples who were trained up from very beginning
of their life: meat-eating. They are giving meat-eating. Here in your country,
small children, they are fed with meat-powder. Intoxication is also a daily affair.
How they are giving up all intoxication? [break] Is there arrangement for...
Where is Karandhara?
Karandhara: Jaya, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: That placard, poster?
Karandhara: Prajapati and I discussed it yesterday and we're trying to find an
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artist to do it.
Prajapati: Nara-narayana Prabhu's good wife is expert artist.
Prabhupada: Ah.
Prajapati: And she has... I guess she has agreed to...
Nara-narayana: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes, she is very nice, good artist. Give her engagement like this.
Prajapati: Maybe you could explain us a little more detail of the...
Prabhupada: No, with very much detail it will be cumbrous. You... Symbolic
representation.
Prajapati: Those three figures in the center?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prajapati: One is a devotee, one is a...
Prabhupada: No, everyone is devotee.
Prajapati: Yes, they are all three devotees.
Prabhupada: But they're engaged in three departments.
Karandhara: We were thinking for the administrator there could be a judge.
Prabhupada: Ah.
Karandhara: Could be a judge, a high-court judge.
Prabhupada: Yes. That means administrator.
Karandhara: Yes. The other one could be the president.
Prabhupada: Yes, president also administrator. No, one is in the religious
order. That is also required. But here we see, persons who are in religious
order, they're also addicted to these four sinful, four sinful life. And he's
presenting himself as religious.
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Karandhara: On the one should we depict meat-eating or animal slaughter?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Karandhara: Should we depict animal-slaughter or meat-eating?
Prabhupada: Animal slaughter.
Karandhara: Animal slaughter.
Prabhupada: That will be still broader.
Karandhara: Yes.
Prabhupada: The three figures and one is in a suit, one... They all have tilaka,
neck beads and bead bag...
Prabhupada: Religious man may be in saffron color, a sannyasi, a tridandi
sannyasi. Our Gurukrpa Maharaja? Where is he?
Karandhara: Gurukrpa Maharaja.
Prabhupada: Eh? Here are religious men.
Nara-narayana: Oh! (laughter) Jaya!
Prajapati: How will we distinguish between the other two men? They'll both be
in suits.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Karandhara: Well, the one man, the president, will be behind the presidential
podium, presidential seal. In the front. And the other man would be a high-
court judge with...
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Karandhara: ...with black robes on.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Nara-narayana: With a, two balls.
Prabhupada: Make nicely this picture. Short-cut, at the same time very
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convincing. [break] Yes?
New Devotee: I'm very new to this Krsna conscious movement and I'm not as
firm as your devotees. Right now I'm being torn in half. Maya is so strong and I
see so much of what you say. Is there...
Prabhupada: What is this?
New Devotee: Doubts.
Prabhupada: What is your doubt?
New Devotee: Mental speculation.
Prabhupada: So you want to continue it or stop it?
New Devotee: Stop it.
Prabhupada: Then stop it. Take instruction from the sastra. Don't speculate.
That will not help you. The same example, a child's speculation, "Who is my
father?" He will never be successful. But as soon as he asks his mother, "Who
is my father?" Immediately knowledge: "Here is your father." Finished.
New Devotee: Association is very important.
Prabhupada: Eh?
New Devotee: Association.
Prabhupada: Yes. One has to take information from the authority. That
knowledge is perfect. And these rascals, philosophical, scientific speculation,
all useless waste of time.
New Devotee: I live in Long Beach and I will be going to school soon, but I'm...
Prabhupada: Hm. We don't accept any speculative knowledge. We want final
conclusion of the experienced person. Nrpa-nirnitah, this word is used. Nrpa-nirnitah, it is concluded. Kavibhir nirupitah. Idam hi pumsas srutas..., tapasah
srutasya va. Avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupitah. Nirnitah... These words are... It
is already concluded. There is no question of argument. In the Vedic literature,
these words are used, nrpa-nirnitah, nirupitah.
New Devotee: I should abandon...
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Prabhupada: Nasato vidyate bhavo na..., asatah vidyate bhavah. What is the
next line? So, we take things which is conclusive. The scientists, they are
making experiment, where is the beginning of life. Misled. They are thinking
life is from matter. They have no experience. Still, the rascal Darwin gave a
theory. They are persisting on it. They have no practical experience that life iscoming from matter. That is called vrscika-tandula-nyaya. You have no
experience in your country. We have got. Sometimes you'll find, scorpion is
coming out from the stack of rice. You have seen it?
Karandhara: I haven't seen it, but I have heard of the example.
Prabhupada: Yes. So they are thinking the rice is..., rice is producing the
scorpion. It is called tandula-vrscika-nyaya. But rice cannot produce a life. The
real fact is a scorpion lays down the egg within the rice, and by the
fermentation it comes out. Just eggs. And the small creature comes out. And
foolish creatures, they think it that the rice is producing scorpion. That is not
possible. So they are putting forward this evolution theory that man is coming
from monkey, but no monkey is producing a man. Nobody has seen. There are
so many things. They put forward some theory, but it is not fact.
New Devotee: The quickest way to knowledge...
Prabhupada: Quickest way to knowledge... That I told you; take the knowledge
from the authority. The example I have already given that you cannot make
research, search out who is your father. But if you go to the authority, mother,
immediately you understand. This is the quickest way.
New Devotee: The thing that's tearing me apart is, um...
Prabhupada: But just try to understand this. The principle is that if you receive
knowledge from the real authority, that is perfect and quick. And if with your
imperfect senses you want to acquire knowledge by searching out, it will never
be successful. The modern method is to search out the truth by their imperfect
senses. All these scientists, philosophers, they are doing that. They admit that
their senses are imperfect. Still, they are trying to go to the perfect by the
imperfect senses. This is their defect. They are hoping that "Our imperfectness
will be perfect by this research work." That is not possible. Imperfectness willremain ever imperfect.
Prajapati: They glorify such imperfections, Srila Prabhupada, by saying...
Prabhupada: Unless they glorify their imperfection, how they can stand?
(laughter) They have no standing. If they do not glorify, then they are proved
rascals. There will be no argument. They'll have to accept that "we are
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rascals." Therefore they have to glorify. The glorifying society... That is
mentioned in the Bhagavata. The glorifying society is consisting of ass, camel,
hog, and what is the other?
Devotees: Dog.
Prabhupada: Dog. So we... sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah
pasuh [SB 2.3.19]. They are all ass, camels, dogs, like that and they are
praising each other. "Oh, you have discovered this. Oh, how nice you are.
(laughter) How nice you are." But we understand the praiser and the praised,
both are dogs and cats. That's all. So we don't give any benefit. It is a mutual
praising society of cats and dogs, so we don't give any benefit. Now, they can
also accuse us in the same way, that "You are also the society of cats and
dog, mutual praising society." So... Now, who will judge whether they are right
or we are right? Who will judge? Eh? There must be some judgement.
Everyone will say that "I am right." But who judges? There must be a judge,
that through both side the lawyers is fighting, that "My case is right." Then who
will give judgement? There must be one judge. So who is that judge?
Prajapati: sastra, guru, sadhu.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. That is the judge. Therefore we quote from Vedic
literatures. As soon as we speak something, immediately quote Vedic
literature. That is the way.
Karandhara: The trouble is there are so many phony gurus and sastras.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Karandhara: There are so many misrepresentations.
Prabhupada: Because their folly is... They therefore do not take authority.
Otherwise they'll be exposed. Yes. sastra-caksusa. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya
vartate kama-karatah [Bg. 16.23]. These are the injunctions. (dog barks) Yes,
come on. We have got your punishment. So there is an argument: pala bonatu
hoya (?). "I'm not afraid of you. Although I'm, I'm going away, I'm not afraid of
you. (laughter) Don't think that I am afraid of you." This is dog business. They'llgo, "gow!" and go away, go away. They'll not come forward. Come on.
(laughter) [break] Well, our every day is a New Year. Nava-navayauvana. Our
Krsna consciousness is so nice, the more you advance, you see new year,
new year. That's all. Nothing is old. People are seeing that they are simply
chanting the old slogan, Hare Krsna.
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Devotee: Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: But we are feeling new pleasure in every moment. Take any
other chanting, you cannot chant more than few hours. But the Hare Krsna
mantra we can chant perpetually. So unless there is new enlightenment, howwe can do that? [break] You can preach here, and then we are starting on
the..., by the fourteenth. We shall go together to India. Is that all right? What do
you think?
Karandhara: Are you bringing your boys over there?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Gurukrpa: They're going separate.
Karandhara: Oh.
Gurukrpa: If we go the other way it's cheaper.
Prabhupada: Which way?
Karandhara: Through New York.
Prabhupada: [break] I cannot go there. You see? As if three hundred miles
away.
Gurukrpa: [break] We saw from the plane.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Gurukrpa: Forty-five minutes on the plane from Miami we saw the comet.
Yasodanandana: It was there for forty-five minutes.
Prabhupada: Yes, a bad sign...
Yasodanandana: As big as the sky.
Prabhupada: How big?
Yasodanandana: Big as the sky. It was flashing for forty-five minutes, this big...
Gurukrpa: Flashing in horizontal directions.
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Devotee: The four or five first flashes were very, very big and regularly every
thirty seconds it was big flash, bigger than lightning, brighter, very bright.
Gurukrpa: Very brilliant.
Prabhupada: One part like this?
Gurukrpa: Yes, very fast.
Devotee: Across the sky, shooot, shooot, shooot. Very fast.
Gurukrpa: About forty-five min..., we..., it was still going but the plane passed it
and it stayed behind.
Prabhupada: Uh, so, this is a bad sign. Constellation. According to
astronomical calculations. Therefore we, we follow the astrology according to
the constellation. The child born, everything has connection, the constellation
of the star has influence on the child. So therefore the horoscope-maker takes
the calculation of the constellation and then calculate what is his future. This
dhumaketu is described in Dasavatara-stotra, dhumaketum iva kim api
karalam. Dhumaketum iva. Dhumaketum iva kim api karalam. As soon as
there is comet, there will be some disaster. Very great disaster. In our
childhood we saw the comet, not this like. That was small comet. Still, the first
world war was there declared. That we have seen in 1914.
Nara-narayana: Halley's comet.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Nara-narayana: I think they called it Halley's comet. Halley's comet.
Prabhupada: Now the... You can expect at any moment disaster in this
material world, but the comet is the sign that there will be some great disaster.
It is... This material world, in every step there is disaster. Padam padam yad
vipadam [SB 10.14.58]. But those who have taken shelter of Krsna, the
disaster is not meant for them. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam. Padam
padam yad vipadam na tesam. So how big it is?
Gurukrpa: Very big.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Gurukrpa: It was very spectacular. Something like twenty miles.
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Prabhupada: Twenty miles?
Yasodanandana: Maybe at least fifty, sixty miles the four, five first flashes, very
big. Let's see. From this tree all the way to the end of this tennis court, all over
the sky. Big white flashings. Like big huge incredible lightning. Then afterwardsit decreased, and then regularly, every thirty, forty-five seconds, there was big
lightning. Not lightning, big flashes. Very uncommon.
Jayatirtha: The scientists say that it's eighty-three million miles long...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Jayatirtha: The scientists, they say that it's 83 million miles long, the comet.
Prabhupada: 83 miles?
Jayatirtha: 83 million miles.
Karandhara: The tail.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Karandhara: The tail is 83 million miles. It's going fast, very forward, so it's
emitting a tail of gases.
Prabhupada: So who is supplying the gas? (laughter) The Arabians?
Jayatirtha: There's no shortage.
Gurukrpa: When it comes to doing the kirtana, there's no energy shortage for
us. We have unlimited stock.
Prabhupada: By presence of the comet, the atmosphere is also polluted. Last
time, what I saw, it was like this. Round and then tail. It is like that?
Gurukrpa: No.
Prabhupada: No.
Gurukrpa: A long streak. It was behind the clouds. There were many clouds,
and you could see it through the clouds.
Prabhupada: What is the speed? If it is 83 million miles, very heavy thing, then
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the speed must be also.
Karandhara: Well, the speed is very great. I don't know exactly what it is, but
it's millions of miles per hour. Perhaps not millions of miles. Hundreds of
thousands of miles per hour.
Prajapati: There must be living entities then on the comet. Yes, Srila
Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Oh yes. Everywhere there are living entities.
Jayatirtha: Scientists are very excited about the comet because they think that
it's made of the primordial substance of the universe and they think they'll be
able to find out some clue how the solar system was created by examining the
comet with their telescopes. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Let them talk all nonsense. We say in Bengali, pagale ki na bole,
chagale ki na khaya. The goat can eat everything, and a madman can speak
anything. (laughter) Pagale ki na khaya..., pagale ki na bole, chagale ki na
khaya.
Prajapati: Are the living entities on the comet, are they very demoniac or
intelligent or...?
Prabhupada: Not necessarily demoniac. Two classes of men are always there:
intelligent and demon. [break]
Karandhara: ...comet. They just discovered it one or two years ago. They said
that if it ever passed by the earth before, it was the time of the dinosaurs.
Prabhupada: Dinosaur?
Karandhara: Yes. Over fifty thousand years ago.
Prabhupada: (chuckles) He cannot say what happened yesterday, and he's
speaking fifty thousand years. Is there a statement in any sastra or his own
statement?
Karandhara: No, that's by mathematical calculation of the trajectory and
speed.
Prabhupada: Oh, mathematics...
Karandhara: It's going at a certain speed in a certain orbit. So they calculate
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that it would complete that orbit once every fifty to two hundred thousand
years.
Prabhupada: That is there in astrology, astronomy. That is not discovery.
Karandhara: No, actually, one scientist just looked at a telescope and saw it
coming. And that's what they call discovery. And of course, he got the comet
named after him.
Prabhupada: Who?
Karandhara: The scientist. His name was Kahotek. So he discovered it. So the
comet is named after him.
Prabhupada: And if it is mentioned elsewhere?
Karandhara: I'm sure he'll want to keep his claim.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Karandhara: I'm sure he'll want to keep his claim.
Prabhupada: No, if... In some astrological book, if it is mentioned there?
Karandhara: Scientists probably won't accept it. They think if they don't
discover it, then it's not bona fide.
Prajapati: Unless one of them discovers it in the book.
Karandhara: Ah. Yes.
Prabhupada: Ah?
Prajapati: If one of them discovers it in the sastras, then, oh, they'll...
Karandhara: They say they've looked through all the old books and the old
records and they haven't found any mention of it.
Prabhupada: I think in the Indian astronomical calendar there must be
mention.
Nara-narayana: [break] ...effect of comet?
Prabhupada: No, generally we know when there is comet, there is very bad
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effect.
Prajapati: The comet doesn't really bring the bad effect. It simply is a symptom.
Is that it?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prajapati: The comet doesn't bring the bad effect, it is a symptom.
Prabhupada: No, yes, bring, bring.
Prajapati: It does bring it.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prajapati: Does such a comet affect consciousness as well as matter?
Prabhupada: Eh? Comet is just like a planet. It is a vehicle carrying so many
conscious beings. It is just like if some policeman all of a sudden comes before
us, it is to be supposed that someone is criminal, he's searching. Like that.
(end)
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