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A bsolutely not. It's not even on anyone's radar. Arduino is a hobbyist toy, and PLCs are
industrial equipment. It's too much of a hack.
The cost savings is completely out the window once you lose a single day of production
because of an issue that took you 10 times as long to fix because of the engineering h urdle.
It's not designed to work in a fail-safe scenario, although all your safety should not even be
trusted by a non-safety PLC due to lack of redundancy in a failure scenario.
It's also not designed to run continuously in a 90F degree panel, 24 hours a day, 365 daysa year for 10 years.
Finally, engineering and technician time is valuable. Bud get $50-200+ per hour, not
including lost time and equipment life. How much mone y are you really going to save?
Written 27 Feb 2015 • View Upvotes
Ben Mordecai, Engineer in Industrial Automation
8.3k Views • Ben is a Most Viewed Writer in Programmable Logic Controller (PLC).
No way.
Firstly, PLC and Arduino are totally different in terms of applications. Once you get the
hang of using a PLC and replacing it with an Arduino will seem difficult and pointless.
One may argue that a rugged Arduino Board could be designed to withstand the harsh
environments of a factory floor. However true this may be when you design a rugged
Arduino board, what you are essentially doing is developing an industrial product a round
Atmel's Atmega microprocessor. So let us give our friends at Atmel some credit and stop
calling such products Arduinos. And believe me I have opened up a few industrial grade
products myself, particularly power factor controllers, energy meters and genset
controllers. Many of them do use Atmel products. I am an Atmel fan myself.
So, the real question is are microcontrollers replacing PLC in industries.
The answer again is no.
You see. PLCs and microcontrollers are built for different kinds of end users.
Ajinkya Kamat, Designing Robot Brains for a living.
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Microcontrollers are used by product developers who will design and develop industrial
equipment like temperature controllers, panel meters, sensor modules, transducers,
actuators etc.
PLC are targeted for use by system integrators who will use products developed by other
companies to build an entire assembly line. For their application writing code using
Ladder Logic is much more convenient and optimal.
Written 5 Nov 2014 • View Upvotes
You should not even think of replacing PLCs with Arduino. There is immense difference
between arduino and plc.
So arduino is good to play and program at home and labs it is not ready to be used in
industrial arena.
Written 31 Oct 2014 • View Upvotes
Piyush Ramraika, CFA Level 1 candidate, Electrical Engineer
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PLCs are made to work in rugged and industrial environment and Arudino are
not reliable for such an environment.
Arduino cannot be trusted in the life saving situation as occur in industries.
Arduino is designed for random hobbyist use a nd sometimes can give error which can
be very dangerous for the life a nd property of the industry.
PLCs use simple Ladder Logic Programming so it is easy to troubleshoot them in
case of error but arduino are programmed with C++ which is foregin for plant
technicians.
Arduino is provided with Reset button as sometimes it gets locked up which is not
good for industries.
Arduino has few I/O pins and analog pins as compared to PLCs where pins can be
hundreds.
I think it is.
Arduino Isn’t Just For Hackers← Paul M Furley But I have mixed feelings about extensively using Arduino in mainstream Industrial
applications and when it comes to replacing PLCs and DCSs,I have to painfully(coz i am a
fan of Arduino and embed it in all my projects)say that, No Arduino is never going to
replace PLCs. You ask why?
Aditya Shakya, Tinkerer by design,Artist by choice.
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First of all if you follow link about you'll find that the industrial printers in the link
about use 5 arduinos, and why is that , because they have low I/O count. Event the
most advanced arduino has I/Os that max out at around 100-150(approx). But even
a small industry will easily have more than 100 I/Os. Now you may say we can use a
number of Arduinos to suffice for lack of I/Os, yes we can , but ask yourself what will
be easy to manage(debug or program ), PLC with a single CPU(there is always a
second standby CPU in them !!) which will have all the program or, A number of
arduinos with the whole program divided into each and they all communicate and
synchronize using protocols like I2C,SPI or at max Serial at 115200 baud, which is
horribly slower than those used by PLC like Modbus.
Second problem is communication protocols available, and problem being they are
slow.Why? Because, when you have at least 1000 I/Os to handle then you will have
around 2000+ process parameters that need to be communicated to the Operator
console at at least 100 to 10 Hz rate. And at the same time they also need to be
communicated to control equipment/hardware/device at much higher frequencies
like tens of thousands time. And with slow communications available it will most likely
result in a blown up Boiler or a Turbine breaking due to excessive vibration and all
that not counting the life casualties and monetary loss and all sorts of accidental
hazards.
Third point being Reliability. What if just one of the Arduino malfunctions which is a
very obvious possibility because we need to reset it when it hang s and again it works
perfect , but this is not tolerable when you are controlling machines worth Billions of
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And at last if you design a n Industrially robust Arduino based controller from scratch,
keeping in mind all the industrial norms then again it would be nothing but a PLC that is
slow at communication,has low processing power,is less reliable and understand Arduino
language. It may be useful for really small industrial application like in situations where
the application is not critical and reliability is not big a deal, But yet again its far from
replacing PLCs.
Its not that I am against whole Arduino thing , actually my major project was an
Industrial grade Data Acquisition and Control Board which support both Digital and
Analog I/Os of both TTL logic level( those used by microcontroller boards like Arduino)
and PLC logic level 0-24v. It can be used with LABView to make any control system by just
using USB connectivity . But this said I would never have suggested its use for anything
but educational purposes.
Written 13 Nov 2014 • View Upvotes
rupees/dollars. PLC always have a standby CPU that takes over when primary CPU
fails or starts misbehaving.
Fourth reason being, PLC is programmed using ladder logic which has been
understood and used by engineers and technicians for decades , but on the other
hand Arduino has its own language(not even C). And yet again ladder logic being
graphical is easy to edit and debug.Teaching a new language like Arduino will be
cumbersome .
Fifth reason being that , if you are setting up an industrial plant worth millions of
dollars then you wouldn't want to give its control in the hands of a device that come
under 100$ !!. So its the trust factor at last ,PLCs have been here for long and they are
going to stay.
Written 2 Nov 2014 • View Upvotes
Ankur Kaushal
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We can also design arduino for rugg ed or industrial environment.
How can someone says that arduino gives error in industrial reqirement,as plc and
arduino both are havig microcontroller ,which works according to programming.
Arduino programmed in simple C language not more than "if,else,than,for,while
etc" instructions even 7 or 8 th standard student can do it easily.
Reset is just like on/off button ,if you power off plc it will also not work.
if you make temperature controller in industries using plc it will cost you near about
thousands $ and if you use arduino this cost you only few $, so why we pay more.
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