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How to make your students moreindependent and resilient?
20:00:03 ukedchatIt's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist - How tomake your students more independent and resilient?'
20:00:44 Tech_Stories#ukedchat Why we should celebrate adversity &develop resilience... it has been the making of many
successful people http://t.co/7aw2Ztk320:01:19
ICTwitz@eslweb Mr #ukedchat ? The one who started it all offetc.? #ukedchat
20:01:22
MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat Resilience comes with risk... Bring backtree climbing!
20:01:25
ICTEvangelist#ukedchat how can we then, make our studentsindependent learners and more resilient?
20:01:48 ecarsontc@ukedchat @ICTEvangelist creation & imagination?#UKEdChat - just kicking off!
20:01:56 StuartMaginnis #ukedchat teach them the skills early and encouragethem to take risks.
20:02:04
hlmrmo@ICTEvangelist Give them the opportunity to try thingsand support them #ukedchat
20:02:04
Mat6453students need to learn how to fail, and embrace it#ukedchat
20:02:34
JOHNSAYERS#ukedchat my classroom strategy is L2L - 6Rs, Publiccritique (Ron Berger) solo taxonomy (solo helpboxes), Kagan collaboration.... (1)
20:02:45
StuartLock Do we want to make them independent and resilient?Has that argument been won already? #ukedchat
20:03:04 GwenelopeI think @LearningSpy quote he has in his classroom,'fail better' (truncated) is necessary. #ukedchat
20:03:08 ICTEvangelist How do we instil this though? @ecarsontc #UKEdChat
20:03:13 StuartLockWe have to learn, as teachers, to say "no" when askedfor help. #ukedchat
20:03:14 DidgeHResilience comes with a growth mindset - carol deckstyle #ukedchat
20:03:16 Sarahlheylearner choice over what they learn; allow them toexperience failure and reflect on that experience...g#ukedchat
20:03:23
ePaceonline#ukedchat I say this all the time....LET THEM MAKEMISTAKES AND LEARN FROM THEM.
20:03:34 LearningSpy@StuartLock Independence & resilience are justmeans to an end. We need to be clear what we wantthat end to be #ukedchat
20:03:41 MiltonSchwarz
#ukedchat So much of today's world is instant... Instant
on, instant gameplay, instant messaging... Doesresilience come with patience???
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hairlikeeddy@hlmrmo @ICTEvangelist Agreed. Give them theskills to focus on their strengths and conquer theirweaknesses #ukedchat
20:03:50 Debsgf
@ICTEvangelist need to promote a teaching
environment that recognises importance of takingrisks. learning is up and down curve #ukedchat
20:03:55 MichelleDhillonGive more responsibility - and not just to more able.One of our student editors got featured in Notts Post!#ukedchat http://t.co/BHBMHh3A
20:03:56 Monty_MathNo empty praise, no spoon feeding, emphasiseimportance of failure and bouncebackability #ukedchat
20:03:56 oldandrewuk#ukedchat If you educate students properly they willbecome cleverer. As a result they will be able to do
more stuff on their own.
20:04:10 PekabeloThink of failure as a natural part of effective learning.#ukedchat
20:04:12
Sarahlheyreflection through critique and opportunity to redraft,and redraft... #ukedchat
20:04:12
jamesmichieRT @StuartLock: We have to learn, as teachers, tosay "no" when asked for help. #ukedchat
20:04:17 ICTEvangelist@Gwenelope @LearningSpy the Samuel Becket quoteis good #UKEdChat
20:04:21
ecarsontc@StuartMaginnis yes - good response been workinglately on fear - its vital to have it, respect it andchallenge it appropriately #ukedchat
20:04:22
Mat6453#ukedchat So much of today's world is instant Instanton instant gameplay instant messaging Does resiliencecome with patience??? good point
20:04:22
tmeekyAs a parent and teacher I'd advocate Dweck's growthmindset theory http://t.co/ngVb3k4D #ukedchat
20:04:27 StuartLock
"RT @LearningSpy: Independence & resilience are
just means to an end. We need to be clear what wewant that end to be" Agree #ukedchat
20:04:42
ICTEvangelist@StuartLock less spoon, more food for thought?#UKEdChat
20:04:53 GeographyCarrieRT @jamesmichie: RT @StuartLock: We have tolearn, as teachers, to say "no" when asked for help.#ukedchat
20:04:55 oldandrewuk#ukedchat No doubt there are forms of resilience(which is not a well defined term) that result from being
cleverer.20:05:01 lizdudley #ukedchat key starting points is to build self
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confidence, help them to see that they can do it ontheir own & not be spoon fed
20:05:07 DidgeH Praise effort attitude approach #ukedchat
20:05:07 PauloSwift
#ukedchat Allowing students to make mistakes is 1
thing, having the right support mechanism in place toallow them to try again is another.
20:05:15 Mr_ChasRT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat If you educate studentsproperly they will become cleverer. As a result they willbe able to do more stuff on their own.
20:05:21
dockers_hoopsModel thinking stages, welcome and model failing andshow how you learned from it Important that weshow pupils how to take risks #ukedchat
20:05:29 hlmrmo
@Mat6453 Resilience comes with patience for
something we want to be able to do perhaps?#ukedchat
20:05:43 Mat6453do we relate independence and resilience to the realworld with students? #ukedchat
20:05:44 Tech_Stories#ukedchat @StuartLock In this climate we have a dutyto make sure they are resilient!! http://t.co/ykrVYHej
20:05:47 oldandrewuk#ukedchat However, neither independence norresilience are reasonable aims of education & probablycan't even be taught.
20:05:53 ePaceonline @StuartLock #ukedchat, agreed, I think we are 'wired'as teachers to help and facilitate too much sometimes.
20:05:56 KDWScience@ICTEvangelist @stuartlock #ukedchat but wheredoes this start to be taught primary or secondary
20:05:56 Monty_Math@tmeeky I have her 'mindset' book sat on mybookshelf in front of me. Recommended read#ukedchat
20:06:02
jamesmichieRT @tmeeky: As a parent and teacher I'd advocateDweck's growth mindset theory http://t.co/F7LHNKZ6
#ukedchat
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20:06:32 jamesdhobsonuk
RT @Monty_Math: No empty praise, no spoon
feeding, emphasise importance of failure andbouncebackability #ukedchat
20:06:34 SarahlheyFocus on skill development not memorisation offacts #ukedchat
20:06:40 MrPHorner
RT @PauloSwift: #ukedchat Allowing students to makemistakes is 1 thing, having the right supportmechanism in place to allow them to try again isanother.
20:06:53 ICTEvangelist
@Mat6453: do we relate independence and resilience
to the real world with students? #ukedchat how dowe??
20:06:57 GeographyCarrieDirect students to where they can find answers butrefuse to tell them the answers #ukedchat
20:07:10 Mr_SJSNeed weight adding to my argument that buying digitalcameras is a waste of school money - iPodTouches/iPads are multi-purpose... #ukedchat
20:07:13 ecarsontcgrr. As usual keep forgetting to stick the #ukedchathashtag in - anyone use a client that does this
automatically?
20:07:14 jamesmichieJust presented at #TMTees12 on IL. Slides andspeaker notes can be found here: http://t.co/P7uXAciY
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great, but best effects happen when this becomes aculture or ethos #ukedchat
20:08:0
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oldandrewuk#ukedchat The "teaching" of generic skills and traits(independence, resilience, creativity and thinking skills)
is an excuse to dumb down.
20:08:15 MrsPrentice11RT @StuartLock: I don't think many teachers would bewilling to model embracing failure. #ukedchat
20:08:18 StuartMaginnis#ukedchat encourage a culture of peer support. Apassion for your subject engages them very quickly
20:08:25
JOHNSAYERS#ukedchat an enjoyable smiling / happy environment Ialways find makes the students more resilient (basics)
20:08:2
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MrAColley#ukedchat Be less helpful. Don't answer questionsimmediately. Build 'layers' of prob solving techniques
before teacher. The 4 Bs for ex
20:08:26
Monty_Math@StuartLock I think what's being advocated is notfailure but the ability to bounce back from failure /setbacks & not to fear it #ukedchat
20:08:31 LearningSpy@StuartLock Really? I model failure ALL the time#ukedchat
20:08:47 Tech_Stories#ukedchat @oldandrewuk I think they can and theyshould... student who focus longer on a problem will dobetter at tests...
20:08:48 lizdudley#ukedchat comment the other day suggested markingwork, not putting ticks on to show where they wereright, but getting them to work it out
20:08:50 GeographyCarrieEncourage independent learning by displaying it in theclassroom like my friend @UWHClaire #ukedchathttp://t.co/wAF93O61
20:08:55 StuartLockI think we learn from mistakes. I am not sure we learnfrom failure. They're different. #ukedchat
20:09:01 ecarsontc
#ukedchat - but its also about creating environments
where they want to engage and push themselvessurely
20:09:04
ePaceonline#ukedchat, in order to help with resilient learning lookat Guy Claxton's BLP. Teach them to know what to doif they don't know what to do.
20:09:11
Mat6453RT @Mat6453: @ICTEvangelist subject specificexamples where resilience has been the solution#ukedchat
20:09:1
2 Tech_Stories
#ukedchat @oldandrewuk ...having the discipline to
keep at something can be taught and createsresilience
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LearningSpy@Monty_Math Coping with failure is only part of it -learning from perceived failure is important too#ukedchat
20:09:24 Pekabelo
#ukedchat students show incredible resilience playing
pc games. This is about allowing students to sharpenskills each time they fail.
20:09:29
GeorgeEBlackRT @JOHNSAYERS: #ukedchat an enjoyablesmiling / happy environment I always find makes thestudents more resilient (basics)
20:09:33
ecarsontc@LearningSpy @StuartLock #ukedchat - nothing if nothonest... so important though
20:09:3
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jamesdhobsonukResilience+ independence have been eroded bylonger childhoods and parents being over-protective in
ways that stop learning. #ukedchat
20:09:47
GeographyCarrie@davidfawcett27 absolutely, couldn't agree more.Ideally needs to be part of whole school strategy#ukedchat
20:09:47
MrPHorner#ukedchat routines for questioning and especially for"anti-opt out" #ukedchat
20:09:48
GeorgeEBlackRT @LearningSpy: @Monty_Math Coping with failureis only part of it - learning from perceived failure isimportant too #ukedchat
20:09:49
oldandrewuk#ukedchat I described problems with independence asan aim here: http://t.co/3jKCCGA8 Resilience is hard tocritique as so poorly defined.
20:09:51
LearningSpyRT @StuartLock: I think we learn from mistakes. I amnot sure we learn from failure. They're different.#ukedchat I DO!
20:09:51
MrAColley@LearningSpy @Monty_Math As is dealing with fearof potential failure. #ukedchat
20:10:03 dockers_hoops
@ePaceonline found BLP really useful when trying to
encourage pupils to become more resilient. Modellingis crucial #ukedchat
20:10:08 MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat Children are now more acutely aware thatthey are 'levelled', judged, compared, analysed... Theeffect of this on some is FEAR!
20:10:12
largeramahttp://t.co/azWpyh8m - A blog post I wrote on spoonfeeding at A level #ukedchat
20:10:26
MissionExploreGive opportunities to explore, experiment and learnoutdoors by setting them open-ended and experiential
challenges (
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2watch them grow, become more motivated and WANTto do more work themselves #ukedchat
20:10:33 Michael_Merrick
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The "teaching" ofgeneric skills and traits (independence, resilience,
creativity and thinking skills) is an excuse to dumbdown.
20:10:35 StuartLock@jamesdhobsonuk Isn't contemporary discourseflooded with how much shorter a childhood is?#ukedchat
20:10:43 StuartLock @LearningSpy Please expand. #ukedchat
20:10:49
GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat getting them to teach something when theyknow it better than you seems to work well. E.g...
20:10:54 creatortim
Independence only possible if a clear shared learning
journey is in place with the learner - #ukedchat
20:10:57 Mat6453in sport the examples of failure leading to success areeverywhere? very few get it right every time.#ukedchat
20:10:58 ePaceonline@MiltonSchwarz #ukedchat you have to be resilient ifthe instant stuff doesn't work for you!! Knowing how tosolve problems very important.
20:11:08 sfrench21It's difficult for a teacher to stand back & watchstudents struggle/make mistakes, but is worth it if can
hold yourself back #ukedchat
20:11:20
ecarsontc@LearningSpy @StuartLock #ukedchat - we learn a lotfrom failure but it is more about the nature of ourselvesthan academic stuff
20:11:27
jamesdhobsonukBehaviour of children on work experience changing;phoning mummy to take them home if a cafe makesthem wash up. #ukedchat
20:11:30 jamesmichie@jamesdhobsonuk @oldandrewuk Disagree, there r awide range of skills tht r needed 2 bcome independent
learner which can b taught #ukedchat20:11:37 StuartLock
If we're going to model learning from 'failure' we haveto abandon the exam oriented goal. #ukedchat
20:11:39
GeographyCarrieResilience is linked to self esteem- include elements ofconfidence building into lessons. Celebrate allachievements, praise #ukedchat
20:11:40 edubabbler
RT @PauloSwift: #ukedchat Allowing students to makemistakes is 1 thing, having the right supportmechanism in place to allow them to try again is
another.20:11:45 GeorgeEBlack #ukedchat ... When a student needs help editing get
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another student to help them... classroom becomescollaborative.
20:11:45 neilarthsRT @LearningSpy: @Monty_Math Coping with failureis only part of it - learning from perceived failure is
important too #ukedchat
20:11:49
lizdudley#ukedchat doesn't this go back to @thelazyteacher 'stalk at #tmclevedon about students finding ways to getunstuck without teacher help?
20:11:50 ICTEvangelist@thelazyteacher: 2 some extent students are indlrners-4 what they want 2 learn. issue is transfer 2things they don't! #UKEdChat
20:11:53 Mat6453RT @StuartLock: If we're going to model learning from'failure' we have to abandon the exam oriented goal.
#ukedchat agree
20:11:57 oldandrewuk#ukedchat I've heard claims that groupwork encourage"independence". It makes no sense unless"independence" means "freedom from authority".
20:12:04
hairlikeeddyAllow them to question for themselves and developtheir own strategies for dealing with all aspects oflearning. #ukedchat
20:12:07
MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat In order to fail, we need to teachcommitment, passion, determination first... The
problem is not failure, but apathy amongst sum!
20:12:08
MrPHorneraccept that making incremental improvement inlearning is long term and more than "getting themready for the exam" #ukedchat #ukedchat
20:12:12
LearningSpy@StuartLock When I get something wrong I reflect andwork how I can fail better. Perseverance is key. Madesome spectacular hashes #ukedchat
20:12:29
JOHNSAYERS#ukedchat many like to know where the learning isgoing, what's coming up the idea of awe to inspire and
work hard20:12:30
sezlRT @LearningSpy: @StuartLock Really? I modelfailure ALL the time #ukedchat
20:12:33
ICTEvangelistRT @largerama: http://t.co/azWpyh8m - A blog post Iwrote on spoon feeding at A level #ukedchat
20:12:42
MrAColleyRT @largerama: http://t.co/azWpyh8m - A blog post Iwrote on spoon feeding at A level #ukedchat
20:12:42
cherrylkd@StuartLock I agree with you #ukedchat need to teachthem that it's ok to be wrong but to seek correct way
20:12:45 DidgeH @Mat6453 there's a great Michael Jordan clip on youtube #ukedchat
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StuartLock @Mat6453 Not very realistic though, is it? #ukedchat
20:12:52
Tech_Stories#ukedchat @StuartLock Some might argue that we areraising a nation of quitters then? http://t.co/gB19bWYt
20:12:54
Mat6453 do we as teachers model failure as a way to improve?OFSTED #ukedchat
20:13 StuartLock@LearningSpy That's a mistake then. It's not failure.#ukedchat
20:13:08 LearningSpy@ecarsontc Really? Doing something easyacademically won't help much. Learning somethingHARD risks failure though #ukedchat
20:13:15 MrPHorner@LearningSpy Agreed, we should do all we can tofoster growth mindset #ukedchat #ukedchat
20:13:17 ecarsontc@jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat - i believe health andsafety as well as an understandable move in favour ofchildren's rights lie @ heart of this
20:13:21
JOHNSAYERS#ukedchat allow students to have planning / materialinput to the learning. They like to impress:)
20:13:29
ICTEvangelistRT @lizdudley: #ukedchat doesn't this go back to@thelazyteacher 's talk at #tmclevedon about studentsfinding ways to get unstuck without teacher help?
20:13:3
2Cinderhills
@LearningSpy @StuartLock 'Ever tried. Ever failed.
No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better' #ukedchat
20:13:33 oldandrewuk@Tech_Stories #ukedchat Nobody doubts that payingattention is important. But it is required behaviour not ateachable skill.
20:13:40 Educationchat@oldandrewuk Thought you'd have your say on thisone. I think independence & resilience can easily beimproved through education. #ukedchat
20:13:40 StuartLock"RT @Mat6453: do we as teachers model failure as away to improve? OFSTED" Exactly #ukedchat
20:13:43 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat my school's motto is 'plus et en vous' thereis more in you than you think... Seems good atpromoting resilience.
20:13:43 tishylishyI found my fs2 ch. Were more Ind. Than some ks2's.They'd lost the chance to explore, investigate and findout for self. #ukedchat
20:13:47 MichelleDhillonAllow them to tell you what they want. Let them have avoice that is listened to - this will empower them andincrease confidence #ukedchat
20:13:48 jamesmichie #ukedchat Failures important but its also about co-dependency, communication, choice, voice and meta-
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cognition inc reflection/evaluation.
20:13:51 MrAColley#ukedchat But do we really walk the walk when it'scrunch (ie results) time?
20:13:5
9 EmzGeog #ukedchat B4MASE. Before me ask someone else!
20:14:05 aangeliRT @ukedchat: 30 minutes until #ukedchat at 8pmwith @ICTEvangelist: How to make your studentsmore independent & resilient?'
20:14:08 creatortimOnce the journey is in place, we must shiftresponsibility towards the learner & create a culture ofa growth mindset. #ukedchat
20:14:08 LearningSpy@StuartLock Well I guess if you're defining failure asan absolute then maybe. This is about semantics
though #ukedchat20:14:18 StuartLock @Educationchat Easily? #ukedchat
20:14:18 dockers_hoopsSports is a very good example to build resilientlearners. Show them this video... #ukedchathttp://t.co/9dY6xzUS
20:14:19
oldandrewuk@Tech_Stories #ukedchat How can it be taught? Itdevelops through being made to stick at things, notthrough instruction.
20:14:24 LearningSpy
RT @Cinderhills: @LearningSpy @StuartLock 'Ever
tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Failbetter' #ukedchat Quite
20:14:26
EmathsUK#ukedchat Don't 'teach' independence & resilience -get kids doing bloody hard work that requires them tobehave that way. Stop spoonfeeding
20:14:36 te_ach_erPupils r more resilient than we realise.Hours spent onvideo games trying 2achieve a goal.How do wetranslate this in2 school? #ukedchat
20:14:38 HSEIndonesia
RT @ecarsontc2012@jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat - i
believe health and safety as well as an understandablemove in favour of children's ri...
20:14:39
JamesTheoRT @LearningSpy: @Monty_Math Coping with failureis only part of it - learning from perceived failure isimportant too #ukedchat
20:14:44 jamesdhobsonuk@LearningSpy @StuartLock .Magic effects of failureover-rated.Prob is that the system demands uselessresults,not useful processes #ukedchat
20:14:44 Mr_P_Teach#ukedchat Without independence can we really
assess?20:14:47 Mat6453 @StuartLock teachers are not allowed to fail and learn,
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we have to be good. Modelling??? #ukedchat
20:14:56 ICTEvangelist @EmzGeog 3 b4 me? #UKEdChat
20:15:11 julianskyrmeUni of #Manchester likely to have held 1st ever HEOpen Day in 1937. #HigherEd #edu #ukedchat
#edchat #access http://t.co/1Xoi8HGr
20:15:12
MrPHorner@MrAColley by then it's too late. it needs to beestablished right in the early stages, then reap rewards#ukedchat #ukedchat
20:15:13 SpencerAyresIt's not just about independance, but Leading learning -get students to write SoW not just help in the oddlessons! #ukedchat
20:15:15 LearningSpy@jamesdhobsonuk Not sure what that means#ukedchat
20:15:16 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat or it could be that once we've made themcamp on a mountain in the rain, suddenly theclassroom seems surmountable.
20:15:18 SheliBB@jamesmichie @stuartlock @GeographyCarrie or say'what do you think?' when they ask questions#ukedchat
20:15:29
debrichmond@hairlikeeddy This is one of the key parts of GuyClaxton's BLP. Well embedded in our school.#ukedchat
20:15:32
StuartLock @LearningSpy Maybe semantics, but consider how'failure' is labelled across society. #ukedchat
20:15:34 ecarsontc@LearningSpy exactly issue w/ failure, it forces us torecognise our vulnerabilities - how we reposed to thatis vital #ukedchat
20:15:38 StuartMaginnisRT @MrPHorner: @MrAColley by then it's too late. itneeds to be established right in the early stages, thenreap rewards #ukedchat #ukedchat
20:15:48 ICTEvangelist
@thelazyteacher: Hence we need 2 act on how we
structure, deliver, celebrate & promote 'success' inschls. No 1 way. #UKEdChat
20:15:48 StuartLockI think we should be teaching them that makingmistakes is not failure. #ukedchat
20:15:56 MrAColleyIsn't this linked closely to motivation? Which in turn isusually linked to seeing the point? Real world audiencemakes big diff. #ukedchat
20:15:59
EmzGeog#ukedchat marking in a way that students have to beindependent and respond. "Can you spot the 3 spelling
mistakes on this page?"20:16:01 hlmrmo RT @StuartLock: I think we should be teaching them
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that making mistakes is not failure. #ukedchat
20:16:15 neilarthsRT @dockers_hoops: Sports is a very good exampleto build resilient learners. Show them this video...#ukedchat http://t.co/9dY6xzUS
20:16:16 primaryforme@tishylishy I agree, somewhere between fs2 and ks2kids lose independence and resilience! Is it testing?
Awareness of levels? #UKEdChat
20:16:17 SpencerAyres@te_ach_er Gamification of learning anyone...@arctic_sunrise... #ukedchat
20:16:17 LearningSpy@ecarsontc Well maybe. It also forces us to recognisewhat we don't know #ukedchat
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UoMSchoolsRT @julianskyrme: Uni of #Manchester likely to haveheld 1st ever HE Open Day in 1937. #HigherEd #edu
#ukedchat #edchat #access http://t.co/1Xoi8HGr
20:16:26
Tech_Stories
RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Don't 'teach'independence & resilience - get kids doing bloody hardwork that requires them to behave that way. Stopspoonfeeding
20:16:32
int3r9a1acticRT @largerama: http://t.co/azWpyh8m - A blog post Iwrote on spoon feeding at A level #ukedchat
20:16:33 jamesdhobsonuk@StuartLock Shorter in some ways-but responsibility,econonic independence=longer *kidults* #ukedchat
20:16:33 MrPHorner RT @StuartLock: I think we should be teaching themthat making mistakes is not failure. #ukedchat
20:16:44 eylanezekiel#ukedchat we should not be teaching for'Independence' . We should be fostering, andmodelling 'Interdependence'.
20:16:45 ICTEvangelistRT @dockers_hoops: Sports is a very good exampleto build resilient learners. Show them this video...#ukedchat http://t.co/9dY6xzUS
20:16:46 ecarsontc
@Mat6453 @StuartLock #ukedchat - but to model
effectively, we have to live authentically - failure is asmuch part of lie as success
20:16:48 tmeekyMy 8 year old keeps hijacking #ukedchat I suggestedshe runs a KidsEdChat .. does anyone have any kidsthat might be interested?
20:16:49
jamesmichie@Mr_SJS Yes. Support networks, group work,independent of the teacher. #ukedchat
20:16:52
Mat6453@StuartLock @hlmrmo definately, its actually the firststep in learning #ukedchat
20:17:04 LearningSpy @StuartLock Let's reclaim it. I'm happy to fail but amnot a failure. Hard on content - soft on people
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#ukedchat
20:17:11 MiltonSchwarz@tishylishy #ukedchat Completely agree... Childrenseem to gain more inhibitions as they mature...Pressure to conform to the norm?
20:17:13 jackieschneider Struggling to find a way in to this weeks #ukedchat
20:17:16 Educationchat#ukedchat Allowing children the chance to take chargeof their own learning, learn from mistakes enablesindependence.
20:17:19
StuartLock@jamesdhobsonuk This is a whole 'nother topic, isn'tit? #ukedchat
20:17:24
MrAColley@MrPHorner Very true. I know I'd prob sit back a bit if Iknew someone else would pick up the baton when itreally mattered! ;) #ukedchat
20:17:24
MrPHorner Gamification = problem based learning. FTW!#ukedchat #ukedchat
20:17:25
ecarsontc @MrPHorner @StuartLock #ukedchat - YES, good
20:17:25
SpencerAyresAn old blog post about finding out who we are trying toshape... http://t.co/p6ocwciE #ukedchat
20:17:26
DidgeHRT @MrPHorner: RT @StuartLock: I think we shouldbe teaching them that making mistakes is not failure.#ukedchat
20:17:27
lizdudleyRT @SheliBB: @jamesmichie @stuartlock@GeographyCarrie or say 'what do you think?' whenthey ask questions #ukedchat
20:17:29
GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat at the start of year 12 I set my students offon their tasks and let them succeed or fail for the firstfew weeks. Once...
20:17:31 debrichmond"@StuartLock: I think we should be teaching them thatmaking mistakes is not failure. #ukedchat" instead it ispart of the learning process.
20:17:47 RavenEllison@EmathsUK what are you talking about!? You "can't'teach' independence and resilience" Yes you can!Give opportunities to fail! #ukedchat
20:17:51 Tech_Stories@oldandrewuk #ukedchat yes and like today's articleabout boys and reading... these are key areas whereteachers need parental support!!!
20:17:53 creatorious#UKEdChat celebrate failure in familiar contexts andcelebrate moral heroes
20:17:53 MattOswin
@SheliBB @lizdudley @jamesmichie @stuartlock
@GeographyCarrie And then get them to explain theirthinking #ukedchat
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20:17:55 Mr_P_Teach
#ukedchat Mangahigh has help my children become
resilient in mathematics. Game based learning andcompetition.
20:17:57 frogphilp@jackieschneider Me too. What's the theme orquestion? #ukedchat
20:17:59
oldandrewuk@jamesmichie @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat That'strue, but odd to describe teaching somebody to read(say) as teaching independence.
20:18 ethinking#ukedchat 3 sorts of people in the world - those whomake things happen, let things happen & wonder what
has happened http://t.co/VtK5OPH0
20:18:03 MissionExploreRT @tmeeky: My 8 year old keeps hijacking#ukedchat I suggested she runs a KidsEdChat .. doesanyone have any kids that might be interested?
20:18:05 ICTEvangelist@eylanezekiel: #ukedchat we should not be teachingfor 'Independence' . We should be fostering, andmodelling 'Interdependence'. expand?
20:18:17 Educationchat#ukedchat Just looking at how some SEN children'can't' work without someone sitting next to them
demonstrates the need for independence.
20:18:22
PeterSpencer88@SheliBB @jamesmichie @StuartLock@GeographyCarrie setting questions asked by chn asprojects/homework/research #ukedchat
20:18:24
StuartLock@ecarsontc Agreed.I don't think failure should be anaim though.We aim for success, or increased successvia learning inc mistakes #ukedchat
20:18:24
LearningSpyRT @StuartLock: If we're going to model learning from'failure' we have to abandon the exam oriented goal.
#ukedchat - do we?20:18:27
MrAColleyRT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat we should not beteaching for 'Independence' . We should be fostering,and modelling 'Interdependence'.
20:18:28
HumphriesPrsnlRT @julianskyrme: Uni of #Manchester likely to haveheld 1st ever HE Open Day in 1937. #HigherEd #edu#ukedchat #edchat #access http://t.co/1Xoi8HGr
20:18:28
MJ_HumphriesRT @julianskyrme: Uni of #Manchester likely to haveheld 1st ever HE Open Day in 1937. #HigherEd #edu
#ukedchat #edchat #access http://t.co/1Xoi8HGr20:18:34 ecarsontc @LearningSpy #ukedchat - yes indeed. being more
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prepared next time is a personality response, not anacademic surely
20:18:35 jamesmichieMRT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat we should not bteaching 4 'Independence' . We should be fostering, &
modelling 'Interdependence'.
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MrWickensPEEmbed independent learning into student lifestyle: 1)Knowing where I am going. 2) Knowing how I am goingto get there. (1/2) #ukedchat
20:19:4
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Are chn more or less resilient now than past
generations - if less why? What's changed? #ukedchat20:19:49
StuartLock@LearningSpy Try convincing the students or teachersthat failing at exams is ok. #ukedchat
20:19:55
traceyab1@tmeeky think you you bring that idea to #DLchatstraight after #ukedchat. Sounds like just our sort ofthing!
20:20:03
LearningSpy@jamesdhobsonuk Yes, that's true. Was that what youmeant before? Can't disagree with any of it. Well done#ukedchat
20:20:04
MiltonSchwarzRT @jackieschneider: Maybe if government stoppedmicro managing us we might stop micro managingkids? #ukedchat
20:20:06
SheliBB@PeterSpencer88 @jamesmichie @stuartlock@geographycarrie I have a 'why box' in my room sothat children can do just that :-) #ukedchat
20:20:06
nicoladarling78@primaryforme @tishylishy I suspect test test test is apart of it as although you try not to make it a big deal#ukedchat
20:20:12
Monty_Math@jackieschneider: Maybe if government stoppedmicro managing us we might stop micro managingkids? #ukedchat agreed
20:20:14
eylanezekiel@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat Gosh, where to start. Ok-as humans, we are most successful when we workcollaboratively, not on our own
20:20:15
nicoladarling78RT @StuartLock: I think we should be teaching themthat making mistakes is not failure. #ukedchat
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ebd35#ukedchat any ideas how to to be willing to fail when
their greatest fear IS failure?
20:20:23
oldandrewuk
RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Don't 'teach'independence & resilience - get kids doing bloody hardwork that requires them to behave that way. Stopspoonfeeding
20:20:23
ecarsontc@StuartLock failure as an aim, haha. Cld think of afew students it may ultimately, but yes, agree of course#ukedchat
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@oldandrewuk Becoming cleverer is one aspects of
education. Do you become cleverer at PE, Art orMusic? #ukedchat
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care of the problem... #ukedchat
20:21:08
tishylishy@MiltonSchwarz I think some ks2 teachers have adifferent approach. I am very diff. To my TA. I allowthem to find out, TA tells. #ukedchat
20:21:13
ethinking#ukedchat dn't grow a wishbone where u shld have abackbone - now step up & face it down #be-a-man.Even if ur not ;) http://t.co/VtK5OPH0
20:21:15
Mat6453think issue is teachers letting go and allowing mistakessome say they have no time they teach to exam nospace for independance #ukedchat
20:21:17
nmckainSir what do I do when I've finished? You haven'tfinished until youve helped someone else learn. Needboth inde&inter dependence #ukedchat
20:21:18
GeorgeEBlackRT @kristian: Sorry to use #ukedchat for selfflatterybut we just designed an app for a sch to totally changehow lessons are planned http://t.co/CNScGYny
20:21:20
StuartLock@LearningSpy Too late; they've already been taughtthey are failures. I'm arguing we'd need to abandonthat if failure is ok. #ukedchat
20:21:22
ICTEvangelistTopic reminder: HOW to make your students moreindependent & resilient?
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(Combine)
20:22:12
StuartLock@SheliBB Like this, and like post-it walls and so on.#ukedchat
20:22:18 oldandrewuk
@Educationchat #ukedchat Well, yes. However, the
fact that those subjects aren't just about the intellect iswhy they've always had a...
20:22:19
SpencerAyres@ebd35 Surely we need to know why their greatestfear is failure in order to combat it. Is it purely down toexam scores etc? #ukedchat
20:22:20
ethinkingRT @LearningSpy: Agree with @oldandrewuk (IKNOW!) in that independence is an odd goal.Interdependence seems more worthwhile #ukedchat
20:22:20 MrWickensPE
Resource table where teacher can provide ICT access,
books & other resources that you may have created forstudent research #3b4me #ukedchat
20:22:31
LearningSpy@StuartLock Failure *is* OK - not getting theopportunity to try again is the crime #ukedchat
20:22:32
MichelleDhillonI find that leaderboards, points, gaming mechanics,rewards have made students more resilient as theycan see what is right/fair #ukedchat
20:22:33
StuartLock@ICTEvangelist OK, but one of the aspects of HOW isbe convinced it's right! #ukedchat
20:22:40
Tech_Stories@RavenEllison @EmathsUK #ukedchat Or SamWalton when his kids asked "Can I climb that bluff?"reply "If you feel you're big enough to do it"
20:22:41
MrPHorner@eylanezekiel and not as a responsibility, tocommunity and to self. Good point. #ukedchat#ukedchat
20:22:49
dan_bowen"@largerama: http://t.co/NYIpFozI - A blog post I wroteon spoon feeding at A level #ukedchat" #surreyict
20:22:50 traceyab1
@ebd35: #ukedchat any ideas how to to be willing to
fail when their greatest fear IS failure? start from earlyyears
20:22:50
tishylishy@nicoladarling78 @primaryforme They seem unableto fend for self. Pointless questions "can I get a pencilshall I put my name on?" #ukedchat
20:23 StuartLock"RT @LearningSpy: Agree with @oldandrewuk in thatindependence is an odd goal. Interdependence seemsmore worthwhile" Agree #ukedchat
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Mat6453@SpencerAyres easier to fail by not trying than to try
and except it was your fault??? #ukedchat20:23:0 oldandrewuk @Educationchat #ukedchat ...contested place in
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ecarsontc@LearningSpy @StuartLock #ukedchat - of course itsan emotive word. we 2 readily see exams as an end -
they r really just part of the proces
20:23:17
ICTEvangelistRT @jackieschneider: @ICTEvangelist - easy! Ignoreleague tables & idiotic SATS & concentrate on realeducation #ukedchat
20:23:22
ICTEvangelistRT @LearningSpy: Agree with @oldandrewuk (IKNOW!) in that independence is an odd goal.Interdependence seems more worthwhile #ukedchat
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A15HHRT @jackieschneider: Maybe if government stoppedmicro managing us we might stop micro managing
kids? #ukedchat
20:23:31
JamiePortman#UKedchat Teachers can be students worst enemy fordeveloping independence & resilience. We are tooquick to intervene: gotta learn 2 let go
20:23:45
LearningSpyRT @ecarsontc: #ukedchat - of course its an emotiveword. we 2 readily see exams as an end - they r really
just part of the proces > YES
20:23:47
StuartLock@LearningSpy So abandon exams and move to whatQueensland, Australia have (for example) at the
moment (no exams at all) #ukedchat
20:23:52
Educationchat
RT @JamiePortman: #UKedchat Teachers can bestudents worst enemy for developing independence &resilience. We are too quick to intervene: gotta learn 2let go
20:23:53
Gwenelope@ICTEvangelist Does this then all boil down to the evilof league tables? Statistics more important than theperson? #ukedchat
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dan_bowen#ukedchat By making sure the tasks set allow for
independance and resilience. Simple20:23:54
WillDunlop74"@Pekabelo: Think of failure as a natural part ofeffective learning. #ukedchat" Quite so, but make sureyou try to avoid it nonetheless!
20:24:01
dringl01#ukedchat TASC is a really useful tool to graduallybuild independence from early primary
20:24:02
primaryformeRT@jackieschneider: @ICTEvangelist - easy! Ignoreleague tables & idiotic SATS & concentrate on realeducation" definitely #ukedchat
20:24:10 ICTEvangelist RT @eylanezekiel: @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat also,we have a selfish society, w/ poor levels of 'respect'
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RT @JamiePortman: #UKedchat Teachers can bestudents worst enemy for developing independence &
resilience. We are too quick to intervene: gotta learn 2let go
20:24:20
eylanezekiel@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat finally... I don't think kidswant 'independence'. Their own identity & space, yes!But meaningful connections too
20:24:25
MrPHorner@JamiePortman And often for the sake of expedience.Too true. #ukedchat #ukedchat
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LearningSpy@StuartLock I don't have a problem with exams - justthe way they are perceived as one shot pass or fail
events #ukedchat
20:24:33
Mr_SJS@LearningSpy @oldandrewuk Interdependence - asuperb ethos to build in the classroom. After all, we'reall sort of doing it now... #ukedchat
20:24:45
nicoladarling78@Mat6453 I agree letting go. Always worrying and tostart with there is fear on both sides! #ukedchat
20:24:45
frogphilp@oldandrewuk The ultimate Primary teacher is adiscontented hobbyist... #ukedchat
20:24:49 Mat6453
let students enjoy the journey, make mistakes and still
complete the trip. be supportive but not a spoonfeeder. #ukedchat
20:24:50
LearningSpy @Mr_SJS Quite #ukedchat
20:24:53
PeterSpencer88@jackieschneider @ICTEvangelist True, the testculture forces chn to be scared of failure or the wronganswer. Need to get rid #ukedchat
20:24:59
GeographyCarrie@Mat6453 but surely we need to teach independence,otherwise how will they even know how to revise for
the exam?! #ukedchat
20:25 MrWickensPE@ICTEvangelist @theEWSchool IndependentLearning skills resources. https://t.co/HxzXg4dv#ukedchat
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GeorgeEBlack
RT @eylanezekiel: @ICTEvangelist #ukedchatfinally... I don't think kids want 'independence'. Theirown identity & space, yes! But meaningful connectionstoo
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20:25:18
davidfawcett27#ukedchat Model resilience and indepedence. Providethe support and opportunity. Reward it when ithappens. Help them develop good habits
20:25:23
EmathsUK#ukedchat the reason so many kids are so wet isbecause so many teachers spoon feed and don'trequire them think
20:25:24
StrictTeacher99there are so many good ideas coming up, are thetweets archived anywhere? #ukedchat
20:25:26
sfrench21Students who are reluctant to be resilient - give onered card for a task- once they've used it, they cannotask for any more help #ukedchat
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EmzGeogKagan cooperative learning allows students to work inteams but also be independent #ukedchat
20:25:38
lizdudley@JamiePortman totally agree with that, I'm far to quickto leap in with support sometimes, need to breathe &let them work it out #ukedchat
20:25:41
ethinking#ukedchat @oldandrewuk I've seen a boy who sawhis commitment 2 diving @tomdaley style yield results.He. Applied that lesson 2school wrk
20:25:52
LearningSpy@StuartLock That's the problem with Ofsted -
judgement & blame culture are unhelpful ways ofgrowing creative risk taking tchrs #ukedchat
20:25:55
ebd35@SpencerAyres 'why their greatest fear is failure' poorself esteem. emotional behaviour problems #ukedchat
20:25:58
jamesmichie@oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonuk Because theirteacher will not always be there. Schools fosterlearned dependency. #ukedchat
20:25:58 Mat6453
@GeographyCarrie if learning is fun do they need to
revise. the memory may be there from the learning???#ukedchat
20:26:02
MrPHorner@GeographyCarrie case in point, many don't. Manydon't try because they are waiting for the day of timetable etc #ukedchat
20:26:05
digitaldaisies@largerama: http://t.co/gB9mPwXf - A blog post Iwrote on spoon feeding at A level #ukedchat> too true
20:26:05
ecarsontc#ukedchat - so? place of extra-curricular activity infostering independence & resilience?
20:26:12 BrightAire Value processes (developed by learners) as well asoutcomes. #ukedchat #lcclearn21c
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StrictTeacher99RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat the reason so many kidsare so wet is because so many teachers spoon feedand dont require them think #ukedchat
20:26:39 jackieschneider
I know what we mean by independence & resilience
means. When kids "independently" ignore us &"resilently" carry on we get mad? #ukedchat
20:26:40
LearningSpy@MrAColley Of course we don't *want* to - that's whyit's hard. #ukedchat
20:26:42
HThompson1982@davidfawcett27 @ictevangelist I agree with this!Modelling and praise is key to developing new skillsand behaviours! #UKEdChat
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ICTEvangelist@StrictTeacher99: there are so many good ideascoming up, are the tweets archived anywhere?
#ukedchat they are afterwards20:26:45
StuartLock@LearningSpy Agree, OFSTED only a part of theproblem though #ukedchat
20:26:46
Educationchat@oldandrewuk For many? Many? I doubt many thinklike that. Hope not. Unless they're Tories of course, inwhich case I'd expect it. #ukedchat
20:26:48
urban_teacher
RT @StrictTeacher99: RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchatthe reason so many kids are so wet is because somany teachers spoon feed and dont require them think
#ukedchat20:26:52
ecarsontc @sfrench21 #ukedchat - have you tried that?
20:26:55
irnbrew
RT @JamiePortman: #UKedchat Teachers can bestudents worst enemy for developing independence &resilience. We are too quick to intervene: gotta learn 2let go
20:26:56
Cinderhills@JamiePortman Accountability culture promotes:eager to show we are 'doing our job'. Hard to stand
back and let learning happen #ukedchat
20:27 oldandrewuk@frogphilp #ukedchat Which is probably why so manykids turn up at secondary unable to read, write or addup.
20:27:08
lovepookiecat
RT @StrictTeacher99: RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchatthe reason so many kids are so wet is because somany teachers spoon feed and dont require them think#ukedchat
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RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat the reason so many kids
are so wet is because so many teachers spoon feedand dont require them think #ukedchat
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LearningSpy@StuartLock They drive it along with league tables#ukedchat
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Teachertrying@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat. Is the independencephrase more for the students. It is the detachment from
teacher dominated and spoonfed lesson
20:27:12
nicoladarling78@trying2teach2 P4C seems to have dipped off theradar again. When I used it last year it went really well!#ukedchat
20:27:12
frogphilpHere's the thing: it's not the teaching that destroysinependence, not the tests. It's the league tables.#ukedchat
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GeorgeEBlack@ecarsontc #ukedchat very very important, allows theless academic to succeed somewhere and that
confidence transfers.20:27:32
KDWScience @sfrench21 #ukedchat brilliant idea
20:27:33
MiltonSchwarz@nicoladarling78 @tishylishy #ukedchat I had a Y5child join from dif school, way behind peers. On day 1,he said "what board do I copy?"
20:27:37
JOHNSAYERS@Teachertrying I have a skill Tracker linked to solo sowith your weaknesses students seek students withdesired skill & coach #ukedchat
20:27:39
Tech_Stories@Educationchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Somewould disagree with this... as you can become clevererwith persistence http://t.co/PsCERe4q
20:27:42
MrPHorner@Cinderhills depends what standards you use to holdto account #ukedchat
20:27:52
IaninSheffieldMT @EmzGeog: Kagan cooperative learning allowsstudents to work in teams but also be independent#ukedchat - http://t.co/mLhWckFT
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StuartLock@nicoladarling78 Hate P4C. Just teach Philosophy!
#offtopicsorry #ukedchat20:27:54
SheliBB@StuartLock the questions they ask are fantastic! :-)#ukedchat #whybox
20:27:54
Tech_StoriesRT @frogphilp: Here's the thing: it's not the teachingthat destroys inependence, not the tests. It's theleague tables. #ukedchat
20:27:55
largerama@frogphilp thtas not ture in all instances #ukedchat.Sometimes its the teachin thats at fault
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Also never underestimate the value of safe social
networking for classroom. Learners get their ownspace to connect with others #ukedchat
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jackieschneiderMeant to say I dont know what we mean byindependence & resilience! #ukedchat
20:28:08
PeterSpencer88@sfrench21 sounds like a good idea, how do childrenrespond? #ukedchat
20:28:13
GwenelopeRT @LearningSpy: Agree with @oldandrewuk (IKNOW!) in that independence is an odd goal.Interdependence seems more worthwhile #ukedchat
20:28:16
LearningSpy@SpencerAyres Getting students to write a SoL is agreat way for them to learn nothing useful #ukedchat
20:28:21
te_ach_er@michelledhillon Loving the idea of Rockhaq. Willhave a really good look after #ukedchat
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dockers_hoops@Cinderhills @JamiePortman sadly thats very true. Inlast two obs Ive done the teacher dived in seconds
after asking questions #ukedchat
20:28:25
GeographyCarrie@Mat6453 I think that comes down to the individuallearner... Some do, some don't. All will still need to doexam practice #ukedchat
20:28:29
MrsPrentice11I think how resilient & independent a child is has a lotmore to do with their home life than what happens inschool #ukedchat
20:28:31
StrictTeacher99@nicoladarling78 we're starting it properly in Septtrialling ideas now it's going really well! #ukedchat
20:28:41
SpencerAyres Do we have a "missed generation of effective learners"http://t.co/nxv6BVhy #ukedchat
20:28:42
EddieGouthwaite#UkEdchat Let them sit on the corridors afterregistration don't intervene
20:28:47
eylanezekiel@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat See @Innovation_UnitEngaging Schools materials. IMO Major obstacle is(ducks 1st) existing workforce (runs...)
20:28:49
oldandrewuk@jamesmichie @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat If I wasill would my doctor say "well I'm not always going to be
here to treat you"?20:28:49
Tech_Stories@Cinderhills @JamiePortman #ukedchat Culture inEducation - A house divided against itself cannot standhttp://t.co/8x9g5gW6
20:28:53
ecarsontc@GeorgeEBlack I wonder if that's quite a privatesector concept tho? how seriously is it taken in statesector? #ukedchat
20:28:55
MrWickensPECan we blame OFSTED? - Unsure! They visit yourschool once every few years so time to embed
independent learning skills #ukedchat20:29:0 Monty_Math How does independence fit with being part of a
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StuartLock@SheliBB But content free (I'm being polemical) as ifeverything comes from within. Why not use rich
tradition of philosophy? #ukedchat
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RT @JamiePortman: #UKedchat Teachers can bestudents worst enemy for developing independence &resilience. We are too quick to intervene: gotta learn 2let go
20:29:10
nicoladarling78@sfrench21 That sounds like a good way ofencouraging them. One to give a try! #ukedchat
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Mat6453my biggest successes come from failing students butexplaining why. its the support that breeds resilience
#ukedchat20:29:11
Teachertrying#ukedchat. De bono's thinking hats work well withKagan strategies too
20:29:15
LearningSpyRT @StuartLock: we should be teaching them thatmaking mistakes is not failure. #ukedchat I'll go alongwith that. Failing is not failure
20:29:16
ethinking#ukedchat @largerama @frogphilp u can't say that -teachers aren't e we at fault - its a really difficult job uknow
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ICTEvangelist RT @te_ach_er: @michelledhillon Loving the idea ofRockhaq. Will have a really good look after #ukedchat
20:29:33
IS_Education_UKWe deliver careers talks in #schools & universities onworking in the media- http://t.co/iWet3MyC #FF us#TeacherTuesday #ukedchat #edunews
20:29:36
JamesTheo@oldandrewuk @frogphilp How "many"? And howmany is that compared to previous figures? #ukedchat
20:29:40
PekabeloI speak at length about how students need to defergratification- talk about potty training and pictures on
the fridge! #ukedchat20:29:44
MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat I wonder if ridicule by peers leads to a fearof public failure... Making tasks unique/personalisedmeans chd tend not to compare.
20:29:45
te_ach_er@michelledhillon @SpencerAyres Teaching year 2 atthe moment, but there's been at least 1 JLS gigattendee this year! #ukedchat
20:29:46
StrictTeacher99RT @Teachertrying: #ukedchat. De bonos thinkinghats work well with Kagan strategies too #ukedchat
20:29:48 ecarsontc @MrsPrentice11 A Lot more? even from an academicperspective? #ukedchat
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lizdudley@HThompson1982 yep found that this year once Irelaxed a little and became more of a 'lazy teacher'!#ukedchat
20:29:54 sfrench21
Another way helping independence-give a task, & pin
up info they may need to help around the room-theyhave 2 find rather than ask #ukedchat
20:29:58
LearningSpy@MrAColley FOFO is not a good way to fosterresilience. I'm advocating FuFO #ukedchat
20:29:59
Tech_Stories#ukedchat When we describe a child as gifted, whatwe mean is that the ability to practise a lot comeseasily to them http://t.co/l37FkErR
20:30:03 HuntingEnglish
RT @JamiePortman: #UKedchat Teachers can bestudents worst enemy for developing independence &
resilience. We are too quick to intervene: gotta learn 2let go
20:30:05 largerama @ethinking wot do u think I am? a builder? #ukedchat
20:30:05 SheliBBIf my children ask where to put something/wheresomething is I ask them to find out or say'do what youthink' #ukedchat it builds initiative
20:30:08 StuartLock@LearningSpy Failing is not failure - ok, that's what Isaid a while ago! Agreed! #ukedchat
20:30:09 jamesmichie
@oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonuk So by that youre
suggesting tht when I dont know a word I shld call upmy old English teacher!? #ukedchat
20:30:10 MrWickensPEIf you give students the right environment they willthrive independently. Give them realistic targets andguidance #ukedchat
20:30:12
CarrotyCarrots
RT @JamiePortman: #UKedchat Teachers can bestudents worst enemy for developing independence &resilience. We are too quick to intervene: gotta learn 2let go
20:30:12
oldandrewuk@jamesmichie @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat Theidea of not doing one's job in case people "depend" onyou doing it seems absurd.
20:30:21
jamesdhobsonukThe answer to promoting ind and res is to endspoonfeeding. That would be a start.I got no idea howto do it. Please tell me :) #ukedchat
20:30:24
LearningSpyRT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat we should not beteaching for 'Independence' . We should be fostering,and modelling 'Interdependence'. Quite
20:30:25 sfrench21 @PeterSpencer88 see as a challenge - they're oftensurprised when got to end and haven't had to use!
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20:30:26
creatortimLearners understanding comfort-stretch-panic inlearning helps promote resilience - it's OK to move onthis curve. #ukedchat
20:30:31 MrPHorner@MrWickensPE agreed. If we concentrated onbuilding resilient students with independent learninghabits- we wouldn't sweat OFSTED #ukedchat
20:30:31 ePaceonlineRT @Educationchat: #ukedchat Allowing children thechance to take charge of their own learning, learn frommistakes enables independence.
20:30:32
SpencerAyres@LearningSpy How is that 'learning nothing useful'? Ifit's theirs they will do it to far higher standard#ukedchat
20:30:33 MichelleDhillon@monty_math I think @rockhaq will answer yourquestions :) community, shared goals, own space yetintegrated with others #ukedchat
20:30:42
LearningSpy @StuartLock #ukedchat
20:30:45 traceyab1#ukedchat we use 6 toy puppets with specific lifelonglearning skills qualities attached to each of them. Chnlearn to behave like them YR-2
20:30:50 nicoladarling78
@StrictTeacher99 Loved it and used quite a variety
linked to topic and otherwise. I may have to work onbringing it in again! #ukedchat
20:30:50 dandesignthinkLet the kids fail and fail fast flearn learn through failure#ukedchat
20:30:51 ColinGoffin@StuartLock: I think we should be teaching them thatmaking mistakes is not failure. #ukedchat Spot on asever.
20:30:54 SwayGrantham #ukedchat just joined - what's the topic?
20:30:56 ICTEvangelist
@Teachertrying: #ukedchat. De bono's thinking hats
work well with Kagan strategies too explain in atweet?!
20:31 JOHNSAYERS#ukedchat keeping on top of the strategies importantto. Persistence -> Perfection students need time tograsp these approaches t accelerate
20:31:01 ecarsontc@LearningSpy @StuartLock Uh-Oh, #ukedchat tiffalert?
20:31:02
KDWScience@dockers_hoops @cinderhills @jamieportman#ukedchat does it come back to pose, pause bounce,
but more pause for independance20:31:07 LearningSpy @SpencerAyres How? If they write a SoL they'll just
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include what they already know #ukedchat
20:31:15 jamesmichieIL is about having skills/confidence 2 go it alone butalso knowing when 2 seek support. It's about choice,reflection, evaluation #ukedchat
20:31:22
BrightAire.@davidfawcett27 - modelling def. imp. Demoidependence in your own learning. Leaders shld belearners. #ukedchat #lcclearn21c
20:31:29
GeorgeEBlack@ecarsontc #ukedchat possibly, but we are linked toan academy that is beginning to benefit too...Spreading the word.
20:31:47 StuartLock @ecarsontc Love him really @learningspy #ukedchat
20:31:50 MiltonSchwarz@tishylishy @nicoladarling78 #ukedchat No real creditto me, but by promoting independence and stepping bk
from him, he made rapid progress!20:32:02
MichelleDhillonRT @te_ach_er: @michelledhillon Loving the idea ofRockhaq. Will have a really good look after #ukedchat
20:32:04
ColinGoffin@LearningSpy @stuartlock 'I hate to lose. But I'm notafraid of failure' Thierry Henry #ukedchat#posteronmyclassroomwall
20:32:05
MichaelaPorter2RT @jackieschneider: @ICTEvangelist - easy! Ignoreleague tables & idiotic SATS & concentrate on realeducation #ukedchat
20:32:06
LearningSpy @MrAColley FOFO = F*** off and Find out. FUFO =F*** Up and Find Out #ukedchat
20:32:07
Mat6453is the staff student relationship key to this? #ukedchatsafe environment, not focused on targets but hardwork
20:32:16
MansfieldRich @sfrench21 sounds like a good idea #ukedchat
20:32:19
tmeekyMy 8 year old keeps hijacking #ukedchat I suggestedshe runs a KidsEdChat .. does anyone have any kids
that might be interested??20:32:22
MrWickensPEStudents are naturally resilient at a young age, schoolssuck it out of them. Give them freedom andopportunities! #ukedchat
20:32:22
JivespinGiving students responsibility and trusting them is thebest way of learning. The brave thing is to allow themto make mistakes #ukedchat
20:32:26
LearningSpyRT @ColinGoffin: @LearningSpy @stuartlock 'I hate tolose. But I'm not afraid of failure' Thierry Henry
#ukedchat Nice maxim20:32:2 StuartLock Do think the "let them get on with it" view can ignore
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9that there is a conversation of mankind to induct theminto. #ukedchat
20:32:3
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GeorgeEBlackRT @Mat6453: is the staff student relationship key tothis? #ukedchat safe environment, not focused on
targets but hard work
20:32:36
jackieschneiderGov dictates to Heads, heads dictate to staff, staffdictate to kids. Schools sometime have NOTHING todo with education #ukedchat
20:32:36
nicoladarling78@SheliBB ditto! They eventually try and look as theyknow my answer will be 'What do you think?' or 'Whatdo you think I'll say?" #ukedchat
20:32:37
ICTEvangelist @jamesdhobsonuk just stop it? #UKEdChat
20:32:39
arctic_sunrise RT @SpencerAyres: Do we have a "missed generationof effective learners" http://t.co/nxv6BVhy #ukedchat
20:32:43
traceyab1@MrWickensPE: Can we blame OFSTED? - No theypositive embraced our lifelong learning skills approach#ukedchat
20:32:45
ethinking#ukedchat @frogphilp nope it's the cowardice of theadults in school who chase the tables Instead of theirprinciples @lagerama
20:32:46 GeorgeEBlack
@Mat6453: is the staff student relationship key to
this? #ukedchat safe environment, not focused ontargets but hard work YES!
20:32:47
sfrench21Is important to not try & pull independent reliantactivities out just for OFSTED-students need to getused to over the year #ukedchat
20:32:49
GwenelopeRT @LearningSpy: RT @ColinGoffin: @LearningSpy@stuartlock 'I hate to lose. But I'm not afraid of failure'Thierry Henry #ukedchat Nice maxim
20:32:4
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jamesmichie@oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat I can't
agree! Education is a stage, learning is for life.20:32:49
EmathsUK#ukedchat Maybe we should start by having teacherswho are independent and resilient. Many aren't. Whyare there so many downtrodden & wet?
20:32:55
ecarsontc@GeorgeEBlack #ukedchat - not saying it doesn'tapply in state, rather I don't know if it happens
20:32:57
StuartLockeg you can't be 'free' in a chemistry lab unlesssignificant input from specialists #ukedchat
20:33:03 oldandrewuk
@Educationchat #ukedchat Nice ad hominem, but the
place of hobbies in the curriculum has always beencontroversial.
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to follow instructions #ukedchat
20:34:12
GeorgeEBlack@ecarsontc probably not as much as it should, DofE isa good start though #ukedchat
20:34:18 jamesdhobsonuk
@ICTEvangelist No politically possible. If I intervene
massively i can improve exam results. Pay rises+lovely numbers all round #ukedchat
20:34:19
jamesmichieCheck out my M.Ed research into IndependentLearning: https://t.co/XfhruRE3 #ukedchat #mainedu
20:34:20
corneronryeChildren like challenge. They like to have to think hard.I asked my class and that's what they told me#ukedchat
20:34:2
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MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat Resilience is hard to foster in opposition toparents... "My child missed 5 minutes of play yesterday
and he was really upset..."20:34:23
urban_teacherHow true is it! that teachers need to be resilient with
ALL their students too!! #ukedchat
20:34:25
MrWickensPE@theEWSchool is working with the Learning SchoolsTrust to create a curriculum that is independent,personalised and revolutionary #ukedchat
20:34:35 StuartLock@smile2learn Read her most recent one and bought itfor all our middle leaders #Dweck #ukedchat
20:34:36 jamesmichie
RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk be
transparent - tell the kids what your plans are - co-construct the outcomes and rules - they will supportyou
20:34:42
ecarsontc @StuartLock @learningspy #ukedchat - so sweet
20:34:43 Tech_Stories@MrsPrentice11 #ukedchat Couldn't agree more!Teachers could do with this kind of @kipp parental &student charter http://t.co/OW1M5wY9
20:34:44 ColinGoffin
@jamesmichie @oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonuk Is
there a need to caress our egos by having studentsthat can't succeed without us? #ukedchat
20:34:46 StrictTeacher99RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Mayb we should starthavingteachers who r independent&resilient.Manyarent.y r so many downtrodden&wet? #ukedchat
20:34:46 ethinking#ukedchat @SwayGrantham how difficult it is being ateacher - ofsted - league tables - same as everyweek ;)
20:34:57 ICTEvangelist
RT @smile2learn: @ColinGoffin @stuartlock
#ukedchat it's essential, Carol Dwecks work onmindset is worth a read, all about creating the growth
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mindset.
20:34:57 DidgeH@ethinking mantle of the expert is brilliant for that#ukedchat
20:35:01 Mad_teach
#ukedchat show them that everyone makes mistakes.
Make spelling mistakes urself. But not in front of ofsted!
20:35:03 StuartLock@MrPHorner Agree, hence you need to be inductedinto conversations that have developed the lab to bewhat it is. #ukedchat
20:35:08 SpencerAyres@LearningSpy No they won't! That's exactly wheremost people get it so wrong!! You're giving students nocredit at all! #ukedchat
20:35:13 MiltonSchwarz @Magicfullstop #ukedchat Yes... Exactly.
20:35:16 primaryforme #ukedchat also agree with those suggesting CarolDweck's Mindset theory
20:35:19
SheliBB@nicoladarling78 tiring at the start of the year, butquick results! Next teachers have said they are good atusing initiative #ukedchat
20:35:22
MissionExplore@GeorgeEBlack: @ecarsontc probably not as muchas it should, DofE is a good start though #ukedchatagreed
20:35:2
3LearningSpy
RT @ecarsontc: @StuartLock @learningspy
#ukedchat - so sweet > Still waiting for that pint!20:35:25
katieogilvie#ukedchat enquiry based learning. Big questions. Don'tprovide the answers.
20:35:33 StuartLock"RT @LearningSpy: @Pekabelo Why would we wantstudents to be independent? What we really mean isnot needy" Yes. #ukedchat
20:35:46 Mat6453who here admits mistakes to the students? i do all thetime. makes it easier for them to accept their mistakes#ukedchat
20:35:48 jackieschneider @MrWickensPE @theewschool - sounds like jargon.What does that mean? :-) #ukedchat
20:35:54 rockhaqRT @te_ach_er: @michelledhillon Loving the idea ofRockhaq. Will have a really good look after #ukedchat
20:35:55 oldandrewuk@JamesTheo @frogphilp #ukedchat Nobody counts.But let's face it, one is too many.
20:35:56 StrictTeacher99RT @katieogilvie: #ukedchat enquiry based learning.Big questions. Dont provide the answers. #ukedchat
20:36 GeogHuntWhat do fellow teachers use their students exercise
books for - how does it reflect the leson? #ukedchat20:36 ethinking RT @EmathsUK: #ukedchat Maybe we should start by
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having teachers who are independent and resilient.Many aren't. Why are there so many downtrodden &wet?
20:36 jamesdhobsonuk
@ethinking Only if they share vision. Too many don't.
#ukedchat. Some are not resilient cos they see nothingin what we do to be worth it
20:36:04 GeographyCarrie@StrictTeacher99 I find setting up #edmodo groupshelp as they enjoy chatting on there after lesson,particularly if linked to #ukedchat
20:36:07 LearningSpy@SpencerAyres How can you write a SoL aboutsomething you have no knowledge of? I couldn't, Youcouldn't, neither could students #ukedchat
20:36:09 ecarsontc
@GeorgeEBlack yes - this is precisely the sort of thing
I see coming out so well on high ropes courses#ukedchat
20:36:15 jamesmichie@ColinGoffin @oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonukExactly! By the time they leave they should not needme anymore! #ukedchat
20:36:30 ICTEvangelist@jamesdhobsonuk: No politically possible. Ifintervene massively i can improve results. Payrises+lovely numbers all round #ukedchat ?!?!
20:36:34 ICTEvangelist
RT @jamesmichie: Check out my M.Ed research into
Independent Learning: https://t.co/XfhruRE3 #ukedchat#mainedu
20:36:44 BrightAire.@LearningSpy @StuartLock - a cliche to quote TEdison but it's true. Failure is part of the process ofgetting good. #ukedchat #lcclearn21c
20:36:47 SpencerAyres@LearningSpy I've done it and it works incredibly well!They learn what they want, when they want, at thespeed that they need #ukedchat
20:36:48 StuartLockI don't know how scientific Dweck is to be fair. V
appealing though, and good reminders. #ukedchat
20:36:57 MrPHorner@StuartLock and be develop into an equalparticipant/collaborator/problem solver in suchconversations #ukedchat
20:36:59
ColinGoffin@StuartLock Absolutely. Abandoning is not same asdeveloping ind in same way as siting 4 people togetherdoesn't = collaboration #ukedchat
20:36:59
oldandrewuk@jamesmichie @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat No. Butif your English teacher is in the room, why wouldn't you
ask?20:37:04 LearningSpy @Mat6453 Who cares about what's EASY? I'm all
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20:37:07 dockers_hoops@Mat6453 Dont all great teachers model thebehaviours they want from their pupils? #ukedchat#nobrainer
20:37:08 MrWickensPE@jackieschneider a curriculum designed around theSwedish Education system that thrives independence.Exciting! #ukedchat
20:37:09
StuartLockAll our Y10 students read Bounce by Matthew Syedand discussed in Form periods this year #ukedchat
20:37:10 primaryforme#ukedchat we use Gem Powers, introduced by Dr TomRobson- Diamond power is ability to know what to dowhen they don't know what to do
20:37:14 BellatrixRoseus
#ukedchat I'm exploring using collaborative/problem
solving tasks to get pupils doing things for themselvesand with others.
20:37:18 lovepookiecatRT @urban_teacher: How true is it! that teachers needto be resilient with ALL their students too!! #ukedchat
20:37:20
creatortimLearners in panic=no learning! shared learning journeyessential so learner can independently move throughthat journey #ukedchat
20:37:25
ethinking#ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk then learn to be a bettersalesman - or offer something worthwhile
20:37:28
SwayGrantham@SpencerAyres @learningspy my chn helped plan alesson to introduce blogging to chn who have neverdone it... #ukedchat
20:37:30 EmzGeog Teach questions, not the answers #ukedchat
20:37:36 MissionExplore@StrictTeacher99: RT @katieogilvie: #ukedchatenquiry based learning. Big questions. Dont providethe answers. #ukedchat
20:37:37 JamiePortman#ukedchat Perhaps teachers need to identify aheirachy of response re: students 'being stuck'. Is
teacher intervention really necessary?
20:37:38 GeorgeEBlack@Mat6453 #ukedchat I do... I'm an English teacherwho can't spell. Students get a sweet if they spot amistake before me!
20:37:38 susanbanisterMissing #ukedchat again as I am on another train withpoor connectivity!
20:37:44 MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat Most resilient child I ever met was in themost dire of home situations... Amazing learninghabits, genuine thirst to succeed.
20:37:51 Mat6453 @dockers_hoops agree, teachings not an act its abouthonesty #ukedchat
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20:37:53 LearningSpy@SpencerAyres Students learning 'what they want' isa definition of low expectations. What if they want tolearn about Simpsons? #ukedchat
20:37:54 jamesdhobsonuk
@ICTEvangelist Are you saying this is wrong or you
don't understand?. It is self evident in English secschools #ukedchat
20:37:57 ict_rebelnothing better than having a pants teacher to make astudent independent and resilient #ukedchat
20:37:59
ecarsontc@GeographyCarrie @StrictTeacher99 - So lookingforward to the opportunity of using this in new schoolnext year #ukedchat
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Mat6453RT @GeorgeEBlack: @Mat6453 #ukedchat I do... I'man English teacher who can't spell. Students get a
sweet if they spot a mistake before me!
20:38:04 ICTEvangelist@StrictTeacher99 @EmathsUK good point shouldwe be picking up colleagues on this too? #UKEdChat@ethinking
20:38:08 MrWickensPE@MrPHorner Teachers are responsible for that. I haveseen students be independent and resilient in onelesson, and not in another. #ukedchat
20:38:12
ePaceonline@StrictTeacher99 #ukedchat yes, tweets are archived,you will get a link at end of debate usually
20:38:12
ePaceonline @StrictTeacher99 #ukedchat yes, tweets are archived,you will get a link at end of debate usually
20:38:12
thelazyteacher#ukedchat Fear of failure is a trigger for saying, 'Sir, Iam suck'. Remove fear by allowing and planning morestuck time.
20:38:13 RUloveskiing@Mat6453 I always do. Plus I apologise too, if I madea mistake that affects them. Totally agree, show thestudent responsibility #ukedchat
20:38:15 frogphilp
RT @ict_rebel: nothing better than having a pants
teacher to make a student independent and resilient#ukedchat
20:38:22
LearningSpy@SwayGrantham Yeah, OK - a lesson. NOT a schemeof learning #ukedchat
20:38:23
mattpearsonRT @MiltonSchwarz: #ukedchat Most resilient child Iever met was in the most dire of home situations...
Amazing learning habits. #ukedchat
20:38:29
SpencerAyres@LearningSpy So what do you do.?you find out, sowhat do they do...they find out! Self directed,
independant leading of learning! #ukedchat20:38:30 MissionExplore @LearningSpy: @SpencerAyres How can you write a
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20:38:30 KDWScience@dockers_hoops @mat6453 #ukedchat you'd thinkbut not always the case
20:38:31 sfrench21 @GeogHunt #ukedchat As a Maths teacher, is purelyfor working outs
20:38:50 jackieschneider@StuartLock - great work! #ukedchat every schoolshould force teachers to read Bounce as well
20:38:51 nicoladarling78@SheliBB a simple thing to continue and support theirindependence with. It's about time and fitting it all in forme at the mo #ukedchat
20:38:52
ICTEvangelist@LearningSpy @ecarsontc @StuartLock me too!!#ukedchat #pintchat
20:38:57 urban_teacherA formula for resilient teachers: Positive words +Positive Thoughts + Positive Actions = Positive Results#ukedchat
20:39:01
ICTEvangelistRT @Mat6453: who here admits mistakes to thestudents? i do all the time. makes it easier for them toaccept their mistakes #ukedchat
20:39:02
digitaldaisies@ICTEvangelist: @jamesdhobsonuk just stop it?#UKEdChat>not v helpful when up against demands 4results, tricky to negotiate the two
20:39:24
LearningSpy @SpencerAyres This *seems* like well-intentionednonsense. #ukedchat
20:39:25
mattpearsonresilience means very real chance of failure, but withhigh stakes testing across the ed. system, thetemptation is to play safe #ukedchat
20:39:25
StrictTeacher99@ICTEvangelist some teachers seem to be thehardest to change in terms of attitude! #ukedchat
20:39:28
helenm54RT @dockers_hoops: Sports is a very good exampleto build resilient learners. Show them this video...
#ukedchat http://t.co/9dY6xzUS20:39:28
lovepookiecatRT @urban_teacher: A formula for resilient teachers:Positive words + Positive Thoughts + Positive Actions= Positive Results #ukedchat
20:39:39
MrPHorner@thelazyteacher and "stuck" must not trigger servingup of "flat pack" solution from teacher #ukedchat
20:39:40
nicoladarling78RT @thelazyteacher: #ukedchat Fear of failure is atrigger for saying, 'Sir, I am suck'. Remove fear byallowing and planning more stuck time.
20:39:43 ICTEvangelist @jamesdhobsonuk it is apparent in many, yes#UKEdChat
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JamesTheo@SpencerAyres @LearningSpy Do you have a SOWthat your pupils have written that you could share?#ukedchat
20:39:56 LearningSpy
@MissionExplore Which has laughably low effect
sizes. Evidenced based practice must come first#ukedchat
20:39:57
MrWickensPE@thelazyteacher This time will provide opportunities tobecome unstuck rather than the teacher racing throughthe problem. #ukedchat
20:40:01 sfrench21I find group work often encourages resilience - we usethe "5 C's" for structure #ukedchat
20:40:05 ecarsontc@ICTEvangelist @LearningSpy @StuartLock#ukedchat - brilliant a #ukedchat tweetup
20:40:05 StrictTeacher99RT @ICTEvangelist: RT @Mat6453: who admitsmistakes2 students? i do all the time. makes it easier4 them to accept their mistakes #ukedchat
20:40:08 ethinking #ukedchat @creatortim therapeutic nonsense
20:40:12
ICTEvangelist@digitaldaisies @jamesdhobsonuk true! Structure?#UKEdChat
20:40:16 jamesmichie@oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonuk True but my answris 2 create friction by saying no. Then remind them ofthe tools at their disposal. #ukedchat
20:40:20
HThompson1982@JamiePortman I found using red,amber green cupstrategy helped with developing independence. Onlyturn to red if can't do work.. #ukedchat
20:40:21
StuartLock"RT @mattpearson: high stakes testing across the ed.system, the temptation is to play safe" Spot on#ukedchat
20:40:33 ColinGoffin@StuartLock Not sure I care about scientific.Sometimes people get too hung up on that to have ago and see what works for them #ukedchat
20:40:33 traceyab1Under half hour to #DLchat straight after #ukedchat.Join me and share your DL news or be inspired to startusing Digital Leaders in yr sch
20:40:35 Tech_Stories@StrictTeacher99 @EmathsUK #ukedchat But is thistheir fault or result of negative culture where teachersaren't encouraged to take risks?
20:40:39
frogphilp@jackieschneider @StuartLock Forcing teachers to dothings reduces their independence and thereforeindependence of their childn. #ukedchat
20:40:42 dringl01 @Mat6453 #ukedchat I do - lead by example. I thinkit's good for them to see me acknowledge my mistakes
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including making apologies
20:40:49
Teachertrying@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat sounds brill. All for solothinking! DM me more details when you have time.Love working with solo taxonomy
20:40:54 sfrench21@GeogHunt this year we've made revision cards aswe go along & they keep in their folder. Good to getthem to do as a plenary #ukedchat
20:40:54 digitaldaisies@ICTEvangelist: @jamesdhobsonuk just stop it?#UKEdChat maybe taking small steps to begin with,perhaps we cld come up with some of those
20:40:54 StrictTeacher99 @sfrench21 what are the 5 c's? #ukedchat
20:41:09
SpencerAyres @SwayGrantham Fantastic! I love it! #ukedchat
20:41:16 jackieschneider @frogphilp @stuartlock - was joking! #ukedchat
20:41:17 ecarsontc@StrictTeacher99 @ICTEvangelist @Mat6453 SOCRUCIAL - how can we not? #ukedchat
20:41:18 ICTEvangelistRT @StuartLock: All our Y10 students read Bounce byMatthew Syed and discussed in Form periods this year#ukedchat
20:41:19
creatortimSuccess & failure key to essential growth & repair oflearning muscles - getting stuck is seen as a greatlearning opp!. #ukedchat
20:41:24
Mat6453 @nicoladarling78 @GeorgeEBlack yeah, i agree, itmakes teachers huma #ukedchat
20:41:24
ePaceonline@dockers_hoops #ukedchat, seen this happen somany times. Give thinking time before diving in!
20:41:25
urban_teacherStudents need compassion especially when they don'tdeserve it. - Urban Teacher #ukedchat #resilient
20:41:30 LearningSpy @Pekabelo Yes. What's your point? #ukedchat
20:41:36 StuartLock@frogphilp Got some time for that. Teachers often nottrusted enough. #ukedchat
20:41:41 lovepookiecatRT @urban_teacher: Students need compassionespecially when they don't deserve it. - Urban Teacher#ukedchat #resilient
20:41:48 LearningSpy @JamesTheo OOh. That's polite. Well done #ukedchat
20:41:50 KDWScience @dringl01 @mat6453 #ukedchat totally agree
20:41:53 Tech_Stories@jamesmichie @oldandrewuk @jamesdhobsonuk#ukedchat These issues are important to employerssee what @google has to say http://t.co/iaktS7q5
20:41:55 jackieschneider @MrWickensPE - interesting! #ukedchat
20:42:02
oldandrewuk @jamesmichie @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat So?Medical treatment is a stage and maintaining good
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20:42:16
MrWickensPE@ethinking @jackieschneider you can embed that withstudents. Students start secondary with these skills,they just loose them #ukedchat
20:42:20
MissionExplore @LearningSpy there is plenty of room for a mixture oftheories, practices and evidence bases. #ukedchat
20:42:22
HThompson1982@JamiePortman ... They worked without support onyellow.. If necessary I seated red/ yell with green cupstudents who helped. #ukedchat
20:42:27
nicoladarling78#ukedchat Traffic light fans on table. Peers on tablesupport. Red = HELP! Amber = I am trying. Green = allOK! Others help if able. C3B4ME!
20:42:27 MichelleDhillon
RT @MiltonSchwarz: #ukedchat Most resilient child I
ever met was in the most dire of home situations...Amazing learning habits, genuine thirst to succeed.
20:42:28
StrictTeacher99@urban_teacher Students need compassionespecially when they don't deserve it. - Urban Teacher#ukedchat #resilient - #ukedchat
20:42:29
Jo_Bowers@MiltonSchwarz: What... No objective? Creativeapproaches to literacy teaching http://t.co/3Z8na5tK#ukedchat - I love this blog
20:42:36 MissKMcD
@SheliBB @peterspencer88 @jamesmichie
@stuartlock @geographycarrie can you tell me moreabout your 'why box' please? #ukedchat
20:42:39
janewaiteseeing teachers survive mistakes/problems at schoolmight mean they believe they can survive their ownproblems in real life? #ukedchat
20:42:40
Teachertrying@Mat6453 #ukedchat me too and I very very muchagree! Mistakes are the path to success if we learn bythem
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RT @thelazyteacher: #ukedchat Fear of failure is a
trigger for saying, 'Sir, I am suck'. Remove fear byallowing and planning more stuck time.
20:42:45
thelazyteacher#ukedchat Not a league table but ask students as theyleave school how many times they have been stucktoday, what would be a good score?
20:42:48
nicoladarling78@HThompson1982 @JamiePortman ooooo how doesthe cup strategy work? #ukedchat
20:42:48
MiltonSchwarz#ukedchat We need to foster a climate in which eachchild is on their own personal learning journey. Here's
the prompt, how will u respond?20:42:5 Mad_teach #ukedchat I've started using where's wally with my y1s.
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20:43:38 ecarsontcflippin... 15 mins left of #ukedchat - how does that hralways go so fast?
20:43:38 ecarsontc flippin... 15 mins left of #ukedchat - how does that hralways go so fast?
20:43:41 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat not sure if this relevant, but each class hasa board in my room to pin revision stuff and things, it isup to them what.
20:43:41 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat not sure if this relevant, but each class hasa board in my room to pin revision stuff and things, it isup to them what.
20:43:43 Mat6453
@Teachertrying yes, the learning from them is key.
pointless to keep doing the same thing again. thatswhat needs teaching #ukedchat
20:43:43 Mat6453@Teachertrying yes, the learning from them is key.pointless to keep doing the same thing again. thatswhat needs teaching #ukedchat
20:43:47 StuartLock"RT@thelazyteacher: Ask students as they leaveschool how many times they have been stuck today,what would be a good score?" Like #ukedchat
20:43:47 StuartLock
"RT@thelazyteacher: Ask students as they leave
school how many times they have been stuck today,what would be a good score?" Like #ukedchat
20:43:51 corneronrye@ePaceonline @dockers_hoops Agreed. We have to