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Who is The Self
Who is Not The Self
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This is the Second volume in the Ananta Yoga Darshana Series published by
Ananta Yoga Ashram. The full series will be made available in-full as a
compendium or as separate volumes. Anyone wishing to acquire any number
of copies should contact Ananta Yoga Ashram at [email protected]
We pray that it will be useful to all who sincerely seek The True Self.
With love and respect
bindu
Perth, Western Australia
July 26, 2006
© Copyright Ananta Yoga Ashram Perth, July 26, 2006
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Who is The Self
Who is Not the Self
Is presented as a work of love to The Self in all beings. We make no claim to
its truthfulness or otherwise. Let the reader judge for himself. Its origin is
that it was written and compiled over 30 years by sri Ananta-bindu and is the
record and culmination of the sadhana and truth arrived at after 35 years of
meditation and study upon The Absolute Self; May He always guide those who
seek Him with a sincere heart.
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©Copyright 2006 by Ananta Bindu
All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced in any manner
whatsoever without written permission, except in the case of brief quotations
embodied in critical articles or reviews.
1st Published 26, July, 2006 by Ananta Yoga Ashram.
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I-Am-Ness ..............................................................................................................................6Time and Vibration ...........................................................................................................38
I Am That .............................................................................................................................53
I-AM-Ness and That .........................................................................................................62
I Am Not What You Think I Am!..................................................................................87
The Potential-To-Be..........................................................................................................93
The Mass of Knowledge ..................................................................................................99
Archetypes and Thingness...........................................................................................109War, Illness, Crucifixion and The Self .....................................................................117The Bigot ............................................................................................................................123On the Nature of Understanding ...............................................................................145
On Consciousness, Mantra and Mtrka .....................................................................154The One Self ......................................................................................................................170How Existence is Like a Dream..................................................................................175
Glossary of Terms ...........................................................................................................188
Bibliography.......................................................................................................................198
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I-Am-Ness
Sadhu: Do you have children?
bindu: Oh, i only have one child.
Sadhu: How did you, and how “do” you educate her in regard to this knowledge?
bindu: Since she was very young, i have always kept her in touch with her inner-
self. Reminding her from time to time not to disindentify with, or lose touch with
the Conscious-space in which thoughts arise. It has to be very gradual. It has to do
be done in such a way as to not cause confusion when a child interacts with the
rest of the world through school etc. You have to do it very delicately.
Sadhu: And the conscious space is *all* space? The absolute = the great space?
bindu: Yes, it is “All-space” she has learnt a great deal about the Absolute.
Sadhu: But how do you see others, is there a need to liberate for want of a better
word or is *everything* simply accepted as being naturally the way it *should* be?
bindu: What do you mean by liberate?
Sadhu: The Buddhists speak of liberating a person and awakening them to their
true self or true knowledge.
bindu: Oh, ok. Everyone is an essential part of the Omnipresent Omniscience; they
exist knowing what they know at their level. Yet even as they are what they are,
and are worthy of acceptance as what they are; they can also evolve in the context
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of the consciousness, to wherever they wish. i do not subscribe to a savior idea or
complex, however if someone asks me i will tell them the truth. Sometimes in
certain circumstances, i will also lead their mind outside the physical Cosmos and
show them a glimpse; but not very often. You see: “The whole Cosmos is One
Harmonious Whole”, all we have to do is understand how to see the harmony.
Sadhu: God looks at *Himself* through every reflected self, who in their infinitude
comprise the unity.
bindu: Yes exactly. Yet each part is also capable of evolving into direct union.
Sadhu:
When we as human beings *look* The Self is really seeing itself.
bindu: Yes, we always read in ancient books how enlightenment is possible. The
“New-Age” way of looking at it is very misleading.
Sadhu: *Anything* that is or can be perceived IS the One Self?
bindu: Yes precisely.
Sadhu: But when you look at say a bird in flight, or thunder in the sky, do you see
it as yourself or the whole cosmos without separation?
bindu: Is what you are saying: - “A man looks up and sees the sky, then says to
himself; “This is myself.” Or are you saying: “Does the Absolute look out of my eyes
and say ah! This is occurring in me?” It is the second case not the first. Inwardly
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there is no location of any self. The conscious depth extends inward in an infinite
way both inward and outward in the context of the Jiva. Yet in reality there is
neither inward nor outward in the context of The Infinite.
Sadhu: And it simply occurs naturally without any Will on the part of the
Conscious Absolute?
bindu: Yes. For example if we were to go into the heart of the atomic structure of a
given body, we would not find the end of the space between the atoms. It is not
disconnected from The Absolute. The Conscious Absolute Being cognates from that
space “AS THAT space” He has no form as such; He is called the Para-Brahman.
Another example maybe; if we were to open the subconscious mind we would find it
is limitless and impersonal; We would find that “It IS The Absolute”, but in the case
of the enlightened there is no subconscious it is all conscious there is no barrier.
Sadhu: All, as in all phenomenal things?
bindu: Yes, as well as all of the Infinite space in which the cosmos appears (that
space within which the phenomenal appears) that Conscious Self is truly infinite.
Sadhu: What about the terminology of the Indians and western traditions, “The
Akasha”, is this the experiential field of “The - I AM”?
bindu: Yes it is. It is a hierarchy of more and more subtle vibration. Until such time
as the very matter of which the WHOLE cosmos is composed is seen, as nothing
more than an imaginary display, in the Conscious Absolute. The display is the
consciousness. However this does not mean that there is actually a hierarchy at
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all. It is just a way of speaking about it that makes it easier to grasp as one level
merges into the next. Without there actually being a demarcation point which could
be said to be the point at which this becomes that. There are no rungs on the
ladder if you like. When going inward, it is an evanescence of being. When going
outward it is effervescence instead, which becomes evanescence eventually?
The Conscious Absolute is Conscious of that consciousness. This very important
distinction is missing in the translations from Chit to consciousness and from
Chitta to MIND. In both cases, the translation is not quite right.
Sadhu: Ah ha!: The Akasha IS consciousness; it is different states of vibration
descending to finally reach physical manifestation.
bindu: Yes exactly. Yet it is always, “The Absolute Conscious” that is conscious of
each and every stage as well as all at once.
Sadhu: What about the four elements, nodal points within the Akasha? Is The
Absolute “IS” (for lack of a better description) conscious or enfolded into all levels
completely?
bindu: Yes, The Absolute is Conscious or enfolded into all levels completely.
However I am not concerned with very many details dear, as splitting hairs once we
understand the truth, is like interfering with perfection. Once we know we should
leave it alone and accept it. Splitting hairs is only useful if we want to prove our
case or discredit someone else, i don't involve myself in that.
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Sadhu: In some way you could say that even the physical realm is the Akasha in a
certain form, it’s just that when it is spoken of, we normally speak of it manifesting
at the highest level.
bindu: Yes, again that is exactly the correct way to look at it; or you could say that
in the same way the Astral Realm is this realm. I say it like this: How can there be
two distinct things in one Omnipresent? There cannot be, it is impossible. In the
infinite, (if it is truly infinite) there can be nothing but Infinity. So it is
Omnipresent. In infinity it is “that very infinity” that is Omnipresent, it is infinite
consciousness.
Sadhu: So how does separation result, it can only result from a difference in the
level of awareness when self reflects upon itself?
bindu: Reflection is the key to it yes. See the Yogicfire Website:
http://www.upnaway.com/~bindu/yogicfire/
i have explained it as simply as possible there. It only appears to be separation but
it is not.
Sadhu: The Self looks at ITSELF; yet when the level of awareness is dulled it
reflects, but when the realization is full it is non-reflecting and shines clear “AS
ITSELF”. The fragmentation “IS” the “I AM” looking at “Itself”!
bindu: Yes, exactly. Yet all this happens when The I-Am appears; so comes the
apparent fragmentation, which is mere reflection in The Absolute. It is like a
mirrored image of a mirrored image ad-infinitum.
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Sadhu: But the “I Am” didn't come about in Time?
bindu: No the “I-Am” did not. The “I-Am” exists and due to that, Time arose. It IS
TIME - all TIME. It is “ALL OF EXISTENCE”. It is “The Whole Cosmos”. So we can
say that “the I-amness” of The Absolute is the Cosmos; thus it is Called Atman.
Sadhu: The I AM is ALL Phenomenon?
bindu: Yes.
Sadhu: The I Am is everything! The Absolute perceives everything? What I don't get
is, how is the I Am related to The Absolute.
bindu: Yes, The I Am is everything. It is related to The Absolute in the context of
the fact that although there appears to be diversity there is not, since it is all ONE
SELF.
Sadhu: What would be an analogy for time?
bindu: An analogy? How do you mean?
Sadhu: An analogy, like a flow, or like a river, or movement within space being
perceived, is there an accurate analogy for Time?
bindu: Yes, you could say so. The Absolute is utterly empty-infinite-potency (due to
being empty it is full of emptiness) but if Time arises it can only be an illusion, thus
it is emptiness. Time moves ahead, a thing has not yet arisen in the Absolute NOW.
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In that NOW there is potential, that potential is full of everything that can possibly
come into existence. The things exist only in a potential form; they are neither this
nor that - YET. It is like a floating illusion without form or attributes ... a tension as
it were; hence the atomic flux. This is what is called Sakti. That tension is stressed
in every direction such that it fills the Infinite as itself. It is the presence or
prescience of The Absolute; or simply: It is OM.
Sadhu: So what brings flowers and trees into being as phenomenon?
bindu: In The Absolute, everything that can come into being is already there, such
that the fact that His I-amness has not yet appeared. It exists as the potency or the
emptiness of the infinite. He has no need to mention that He is anything in
particular. The whole of Time comes into being right there. Of course, everything
that will or does appear in that Time comes into being with it. Along with your
flowers and trees etc., HE ALONE IS ALL. Everything is in Him, either as His
potential or as the Maya, there is no difference.
Sadhu: Naturally through evolution every possible thing happens over all time. So
do ideas also bring about natural forms?
bindu: It arises out of His I-amness, yes. The strange thing is this: That which
arises - arises IN HIM. It does not appear outside Him, there is no outside and no
inside either; there is only Him. How can there be an outside to Infinity? To quote
doctor quantum: “all this is in here – it is not out there!”
Sadhu: Everything is The I AM then?
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bindu: Yes exactly. If a person only realizes this, he will be enlightened
immediately. When a person says, “I am”... he thinks it is what he thinks he is at
that time; he thinks he is saying it. That is not true at all. It is the Absolute saying
it. He then obeys His command and becomes the limited consciousness. The
Absolute recognizes that He is all and He says, “I am a golfer”, “a man”, “a woman”,
“a dog” and so on; and so it “IS”. The part is as great as the whole.
So He says I am Jack, He says I am bindu. He obeys Himself, and then limits
Himself; so then the key to realization is to understand this.
Who speaks?
Who is conscious of consciousness?
Who sees?
Who thinks these thoughts?
Who says I?
He says it, and all the Cosmos comes. Or alternately when He says “I am Jack “
He becomes Jack and lives in Jack’s universe as Jack. Yet even while he is saying
“Jack”, He is also saying: I am bindu in bindu; He is saying: “I Am such and such
in every being; but the reflection in the consciousness called Jiva, springs up the
moment He speaks because His word is creative and the consciousness is like a
mirror; it is then mistaken for the Real-Self; The limited-self is mistaken for the
Great Lord.
The Jiva is a copy of a copy; yes, as we know copies of copies become more and
more unlike the original; in this way the variety of beings springs up in Him and
from Him due to the Nature of His own conscious-beingness.
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Sadhu: But nobody says I?
bindu: Ah! That is correct. He must come to say I am the Absolute and understand
what He means when He says it. Then He will find the Infinite Absolute which is
Himself. So the nobody, is The Infinite Absolute which cannot be found because it
has no limit and therefore no form either.
Sadhu: But what “IS” Jack?
bindu: Jack is an idea, a reflected-speck of consciousness which is linked to
knowledge in the Omniscient. He is an idea about the Universe seen in a way that
is distorted. (i.e. Jack is an individual universe). Why is this mentioned? Because
each and every being; no matter who or what they actually are or think they are;
sees their universe in a different way. Thus there are countless universes existing
in the same Time; the sum of these is the Omniscience. The sum of the whole is the
Omnipresent. Yet the Omnipresent is sourced in The Absolute. Such, that Jack, is
Jack, present in the universe, as himself. While in truth there is really no Jack at
all.
Words, thoughts, very “Being-itself”; arises in The Absolute. Nothing can arise that
does not arise in The Absolute. But time is needed first. Hence nothing arises
except the illusion of something having arisen. This means that whether it arose or
not, or is or is not an illusion is irrelevant.
Sadhu: All beings, animals etc arise, but for no purpose?
bindu: No, that is not true. They are conscious of “A Knowing” at a certain level,
that knowing varies throughout all animals and within a species also. Even insects,
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germs, virii and so on, know a universe that is unique to them. Think of it, an
almost infinite number of universes, all known by The One Absolute. This is how
the Omniscience knows at all levels of knowing. In the Sanatan-Dharma this is said
to be The Consciousness of Sri-Krishna
Sadhu: IT knows itself as the reflections, and as a whole, and it is The Absolute
that is the silent witness in the individual human beings?
bindu: Yes all, but not merely human beings, it is the silent witness of All Beings ”;
and as THE WHOLE also. Just because a man cannot know what an ant is
thinking (or if the ant thinks at all) is irrelevant because the ant knows ant-
knowledge; how else can Omniscience be fulfilled? This Omniscient, Omnipresence
has no real existence because it is merely knowledge or consciousness, which is the
Omniscience of the Absolute.
His very existence makes the silent statement "I Am" Om (the om-kara- A-U-M)
arises” and knowledge comes of what He is; there comes Time. It can never be fully
expressed even by the huge multiplicity I have described. The nature of
Omniscience means it can never be totally ended, hence; time unfolds as the
Omnipresence of the consciousness and so does the Universe expand. Hence also
mathematicians will never find the final number either. Also the beings multiply...
and evolve such that the Omniscience is endless; as is the omnipresence. In itself
The Absolute has utterly transcended knowledge.
Sadhu: It is 'bound up “as itself” as an infinite endless whole, because it is all one
whole.
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bindu: Yes, that is exactly true. Although it is not really true to say it has
transcended anything because everything came because of it, and appeared within
it. This means he is free even of the need to transcend, and beyond even
transcendental consciousness.
Sadhu: So "The, I AM” is “ALL" no matter what, but The Absolute perceives this
AND yet they are ONE!
bindu: Yes, that is it smack on the nose; you have hit the nail on the head. So there
is a god of form and a god without form also. The Absolute did not actually say “I
Am” the presence of the tension or potency of the Infinite Absolute (Which could be
thought to be sheer presence or prescience) is the call to the I-amness. This tension
is the omnipotence - it is the Will in the Will. It is referred to as the Sakti in the
yoga texts.
So the one in you who says: “I am Jack” who is that?
Sadhu: The god with form is the highest possible deity encompassing and including
all lesser deities and levels of consciousness; the formless god is The Absolute?
bindu: Yes, now you have it. It is the ParamAtma. Or as the Sanatan-Dharma
teaches: it is both the form of Sri-Krishna – and is existing as the transcendental
Sri-Krishna also.
Sadhu: So worship and prayer can be effective and can and should be practiced?
bindu: Yes, and this leads to moral or Ahimsa, as you asked in the first place.
Sadhu: And consciousness?
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bindu: We said the consciousness is the I-amness. It is The Absolute which looks at
the consciousness, so who are you?
Sadhu: I can’t put that into words.
bindu: No of course you can’t, but “the you - who IS “ He” can recognize yourself as
it is The Real Self. How can you describe the Infinite? I am here to tell you that you
can dissolve the mind into it, and actually remain in it – “AS” it; as your body goes
on living.
Sadhu: Only as Infinite.
bindu: Yes. This state of freedom-while-alive is called Jivan-mukti by the yogi’s
Sadhu: But do you really *become* it?
bindu: Oh it is not a matter of the man becoming, no, it is a matter of saying “I Am
it” and knowing that it is true. The I-Am is first beyond existence and then Time
comes after the word I. The place in which the conscious one (who is inside that
man) was before He uttered the words “I AM” was in the body. Now after He utters
the words “I Am” but before adding anything to the “I Am” that place is beyond
existence and is infinite. If you could see inside His mind you would see Infinity
itself; because it is “The Self-Himself” who says “I Am” and then He becomes it! He
sublimates his massive consciousness; it is an involute act of becoming; hence He
becomes what He says after The “I Am”.
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Sadhu: So when the physical body dies nothing really changes!!
bindu: No, it does not change there is merely another manifestation of selfhood
called Jiva until “You The Absolute” decide You want to know who You really are.
Hence you will be reborn as what you think and “Say” You are; You will obey
yourself!
Sadhu: But what do you think of when You declare or think I Am IT, since it is still
a thought that is witnessed?
bindu: Who thinks? What is witnessed is also the Omniscience of the Absolute, The
Mind appears as thought – previously it did not appear; “THAT” appears in The
Absolute as “THAT” which is thought. The knowledge that thought, consciousness,
Mind and the Cosmos are I-am-ness is there, but it all appears in My Self, which is
The Absolute. The body appears in My Self also; it is not Me. It is a thought that is
witnessed only up until final realization; at which time it is a thought that is Self-
Conscious (there being no division in The Absolute). Death therefore, and
realization are different only in the context of the degree to which the one dying, is
conscious of “The truth of The Absolute.” Just as the Tibetans tell us.
Sadhu: Ah, what I meant was for a realized person upon death nothing would
change. The thought is Self-Conscious?
bindu: Upon death any person goes where and to whatever HE (who is the Absolute
masquerading as the one who is dying), thinks He is; or believes in at the time.
Because HE is the Absolute God Himself, all this being is His I-am-ness. Since He
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said and continues to say or think; “I Am Such and Such. This does not mean that
the Jiva is actually God; it means that the Self in the Jiva is God.
Yes, the thought is actually conscious. It shines in The Absolute with its own light;
the light source is given it by The Absolute, which is the witness. When you say “I”
am “IT”, you have to be it to say it. To be it you have to get rid of the division
between the infinite and the finite. To do that you have to get rid of the existence of
all divisions in matter, and wave; you will need a unified field theory. To get rid of
matter you must come to understand Atomic space. I.e. Space does not change in
any way for any reason, it is interconnected everywhere.
Sadhu: It is all the same from that 'point of view'?
bindu: Yes, thus the whole is in the Infinite. If it is in the Infinite there are no
objects at all
there is only an Infinite sea of seething potency. Just as Sri Krishna has said:
“Everything exists in my potency”.
Sadhu: No objects?
bindu: No, the solid boundaries of objective cognition are gone, because there is no
disconnection between the exterior atoms and the interiors atoms; it is all one
matter and one Space.
Sadhu: There is only I, no That?
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bindu: Yes, exactly, one matter and one space, no objects. Now then matter is light,
science tells us that.
Sadhu: Yet The Absolute does not have a sense of I-ness or I AM-ness or Selfhood.
bindu: No, it does not. So science tells us everything is light. The fantastic thing is
that light is conscious. There is nothing but light which is enlightenment .
Sadhu: You are not just referring to physical light are you?
bindu: Yes, not just physical light. However physical light appears in it like red or
yellow appears within the color spectrum. No matter how good the instrument is, it
cannot report all the spectrum of the light in its own Self. Again, this is covered at
the Yogifire Web Site.
Sadhu: Light = consciousness?
bindu: YES. So when we find the inner-light we dive into it and disappear totally.
The universe also disappears!
Sadhu: The Akasha is the highest aspect of this light.
bindu: Yes, that is why it is called enlightenment.
Sadhu: And then what?
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bindu: It is still one step removed from The Absolute realization. There is an
inexpressible unnamable, unspeakable Beingness. Words cannot say it, but THAT
looks out of everywhere, every when and every one. It does not continue, it is seen,
to be eternal, it cannot have started in order to continue. (After all it is infinite).
Sadhu: It is everywhere, in every when and every One and there is nothing outside
of it. There is all that is, has been or will be. “There is Nothing ELSE”. Here then is
ALL Time. all-all. There is no OTHER!
bindu: Then a great joy arises in the being because of this. That joy is like the joy of
sex a thousand times magnified. It zings in the whole body, like sherbet. There is a
going or coming that is endless ... there is nowhere to arrive or get. It is prescience.
Present everywhere and when, and also beyond - words stop. Consciousness ends.
There is The Conscious Absolute - or alternately the conscious One “IS” - the I-am-
ness is the consciousness.
Sadhu: But can something perceive consciousness itself?
bindu: Yes, in the case of a normal being his I-am-ness is limited to his being (what
he knows about being). So what he knows about being slots him into his level in
the hierarchy of the Omniscience. He can move upward easily by learning more,
such that no being has to remain as his I-am-ness dictates. Thus the
consciousness evolves and in partnership with it so does moral integrity, due to
self-recognition. However, up until a certain point he does not know that what he is
recognizing as himself is the consciousness.
Sadhu: The I AM ness and The Absolute are not two?
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bindu: No, they are not two.
Sadhu: Fascinating.
bindu: Thus truly spiritual beings are highly moral. The whole Universe works in
absolute harmony.
Sadhu: But why is this so?
bindu: Why is what so?
Sadhu: How did it come to be designed that way?
bindu: If you want to call it a design then it is a design I guess. I prefer to say it is
the innate perfection inherent in The Absolute. Thus it is harmonious; the harmony
can only be seen from the standpoint of the Omniscience.
Sadhu: ok.
bindu: Nothing I have told you today, can be refuted in anyway at all because it
makes utter sense. It does not rely on anyone's opinion, in fact it stands on its own
merit it is therefore true. Even the very existence itself proves it. It is the only way
to look at it that includes and explains every aspect of existence. You will find that
almost all systems discard something or other.
Sadhu: I cannot understand though how some supposedly moral people are
spiritual.
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bindu: They are not, they have an agenda. If a single part of the Omniscience is
discarded then the supposed philosophy goes begging. However the agenda which
they or someone else thinks they have, is not OWNED by them; it is a machination
of The Self to bring about the destruction of the ego of the person who has the
agenda, because that person will almost invariably fail if the agenda is self-serving
(egotistical). On the other hand if The Agenda is SELF SERVING The Self will assist
Himself!
Sadhu: I read today that a certain famous swami was accused of sexual
misconduct and even in the western traditions we find racism etc. So how do you
explain that when everybody respects him enormously?
bindu: Yes, that is right. All teachers have students who are at the level the teacher
teaches - everyone evolves; I am never in the business of denigrating anyone, even
if such things as that may or may not be true; but regardless all evolve.
Sadhu: I don't get it.
bindu: Well there is a certain famous teacher (not to mention any names) I saw a
show on him 3 days ago which exposed him as a fraud, and pedophile, yet he has
millions of followers all over the world, why? Well those who follow him are at his
level. It is like a group-ego thing, as described in the secret or renunciation in a
previous chapter. (see page 144 volume one) He is as spiritual as the head of their
group has to be. It is all knowledge at a level. Some groups are at one level, some at
others it is all Omniscience, knowing what is known in that way. It is always open-
ended- always evolving.
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Sadhu: Once you have realized The Absolute there is nothing else to be done?
bindu: No that is right. The love arising from the realization (IN IT) feels like you
must share it, because all are yourself. For example a cell that does not work in the
body is soon discarded by the system, so we work for The Self. We could die, if we
like. Yet we won’t. We could refuse to return here to this world when we die, yet we
won’t. Imagine if all those who realized the truth left and never returned. The
knowledge of the truth would end. This is impossible. So we return again and again
to be the link to the Absolute. So when you get to the end, you choose to live not
die.
Sadhu: There is a choice?
bindu: Yes, but who chooses? HE does....At that moment the God with form comes
into Being. His I-am-ness is born.
Sadhu: This happens in every experience of realizing The Absolute, no matter
which individual realizes, at that moment he is born?
bindu: Yes, that is totally correct, it is incontrovertible.
Sadhu: But why are there so many different descriptions of the enlightenment
experience, you would be familiar with the many different positions taken in sacred
books etc.
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bindu: Yes. This is due to the fact that many speak before the final realization
which causes the remaining vasana’s1 (be sure to see the foot-note this is an
important point) to distort the perception and thus enunciation of the truth. For
example just as light shone through red cellophane is made red so do things which
are not red appear red. This in no way means that the teacher is not or has not had
the realization; it simply means that the mind must be gotten ready, or transformed
by the decent of the understanding which will gradually be brought to the
conscious notice of the via the mind having processed the stupendous connotations
of the realization. In my case it began when I was 28 I am now 45 so you could say
it took 8 years to transform the mind. Since the light, though, there have been
hundreds of deeper experiences which I won’t go into.
Sadhu: All paths lead to exactly the same goal, and the one method in common is
realizing the nature of the mind?
bindu: Yes.
bindu: I began searching and meditating when I was 6 or 7 - I entered the light at
28 - but the final realization is recent. I have been teaching since I was 28, but only
recently has the final realization happened.
Sadhu: I am 31. So entering the light means realizing unitive consciousness?
1 Vasana’s: The vasana’s are commonly thought to be impurities, but this is not quite correct; they are more like
obscuring layers or modes of consciousness; which means they are nothing like impurities. Whereas to call themimpurities would mean that there are modes of the Consciousness of the Absolute, God (Siva, Krishna, Buddha,
Jehovah, Jahveh, Allah etc) that are impure due to the nature of omniscience. No God is not and can never haveany impurities in His own being which is displayed as the omnipresence; it is simply a matter of the evolution of
the apparatus (in this case the mind-body complex known as Jiva).
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bindu: Yes it does, but at the time I did not have the background knowledge to say
that. It has taken since then to fully understand what happened that day. Now it is
full.
Sadhu: But what consequence would any deeper experiences mean after having
realized the absolute nature. It is the end of the line so to speak.
bindu: Exactly, so as the deeper connections and connotations of the experience
came, I discarded them (thus I won’t talk of them also).
Sadhu: So to your consciousness there is really not a me or a you?
bindu: That is right. It cannot be called “MY” consciousness unless you refer to The
Absolute nor can it be called “MY” enlightenment for the same reason.
Sadhu: But you can choose to concentrate as a reflected self and maintain normal
presence.
bindu: Yes, that is right also.
Sadhu: Yes, self realization doesn't happen to a person I guess, it happens to SELF.
Because “The YOU”, is still a phenomenon within The Absolute. You still live. And
the “ME” and the “YOU” are both phenomenal within The Absolute; while the
Conscious One is not IN this World, rather the world/Cosmos is in it!
bindu: Yes. Again, See the yogic fire URL (Note for the editor; we will integrate some
of the relevant passages from the yogic fire website at a later time). I have tried to
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strip it down to its bare essentials, so that it is easy to understand. There are also
artist’s renditions of some of the experiences.
Sadhu: I notice that you also had a lot of rare or hard to find documents on the
Ananta Yoga site as well as Kashmir Saivism material, stuff by Shankara etc. Can
you read Sanskrit?
bindu: No i cant but i have studied a great number of translations by Paul Muller
Ortega (which are often very good)
Sadhu: Ah, I know of the Triadic heart of Siva.
bindu: I have studied all of the books at the site for many years; reading them
again and again over the years as my own realization developed. This gives a
continually deepening insight into what these ancient geniuses wrote.
Sadhu: Why those particular books, do you believe them to be the most accurate,
beautiful profound?
bindu: They are the most accurate yes; but I have also studied a huge amount of
philosophy from all over the planet from all ages and Religions and found the
unifying thread.
Sadhu: Which is what?
bindu: Omniscience-Omnipresence and Love which is light/consciousness and I-
Am-ness.
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Sadhu: What about western traditions such as the quabbalah and so forth?
bindu: Well funnily enough the very day that I went into the light I was reading
quabbalah, but I was also reading Siva Sutra the night before. There is truth in all
the writings as they exist in the I-am-ness. All we must understand is that no
written word is the final word. No knowledge is the actual knowledge of The
Absolute. All knowledge as a whole is the Omniscience. Knowledge is ignorance –
Love is Wisdom.
Sadhu: The Indian material is very clear, as is the Tibetan material, I read and have
yet to finish the flight of The Flight of Garuda which is beautiful.
bindu: Ah! Yes it is.
Sadhu: How is knowledge and possible knowledge encoded / existent?
bindu: How is it encoded? Do you mean why is an ant - an ant and so on? How
does knowledge exist? It is refracted light only because knowledge is about this and
that. Thus it is not actual knowledge. It is not first hand.
Sadhu: Thoughts are things, composed of mental substance? Ideas are things,
archetypes? For example, a triangle is an archetypal shape that is manifest in
many forms.
bindu: Yes, yes, but it has tangents. Archetypes are like metaphors for qualities,
dimensions are created in MIND. They are triangulated from the position of the
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individual I-am-ness but let’s leave that for now. Read Paul Brunton for the answer
to this. http://www.paulbrunton.org/pb.html.
Sadhu:
What about the need for a guru? I have never been a believer, but the Tibetans put
great emphasis on it as do some of the Indians.
bindu: The need for a guru is paramount yes; but who or what the guru is, is even
more important. The guru is not that man. One’s guru should be the highest
representation one can accept of The Absolute.
Sadhu: “A personal” devotion to a representation of God?
bindu: Yes, for example my guru is the Whole Cosmos. This is called the Sad-Guru,
to me that is Krishna. To another the guru might be Muktananda or Nityananda or
Sivananda and so on.
Sadhu: Is the worship of a personal god the same as Guru worship? Surely this
implies that it must also be transcended or surrendered to The Absolute. (Not that I
have ever been one to follow a guru).
bindu: Yes, that is correct. Personal devotion to that highest representation
whether it be a being or the ALL, is the way. If you want a personal physical guru
then you should go find one. But to realize the truth; by yoga we often realize that
the real nature of the one who has realized the truth (The Yogic Guru) is The
Absolute. So we must let go of his form also, but after that, since he has led us to
the Truth; should we not recognize his greatness? Just as a great and famous
person is recognized and revered?
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The real guru is your own inner speaker of course. He is the One who says "I am
Jack" A man can say hey look! “I am a Guru” come listen to me. He might say:
come hear what I have to say. He says give me money so that I can teach. The real
truth is free. It has no form, how can I pretend to be God? Or “A God”? The I Am is
“THE GOD”, I have no form...as your life itself I teach you. Not as a man; as the
universe I show you, Myself. In your heart I am your love. The I Am is not a man,
nor a guru. So what is happening now between us?
Sadhu: I am awakening to "I"
bindu: Ah! Yes. You are coming to know I"... "I" who is ALL, this is Ananta. Ananta
means infinity. bindu means point of light. It is an infinite point of light. Ananta
Yoga.
Sadhu: So the idea of the guru is used to raise consciousness.
bindu: Yes, that is right.
Sadhu: Metaphorically a point?
bindu: Yes. The first speck of being is like the very first atom that appears out of
The Absolute. From this the whole cosmos arises due to reflection; and atom by
atom it comes into existence faster than the speed of light. It is the actual first
point. Due to its being the first it is connected to the infinite.
Sadhu: But it sounds like it happens in time... and as such cannot be the source
Time.
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bindu: Oh the bindu does yes. It is the first. It is like the seed of Being.
Sadhu: But how, if the process had no beginning or end, does the atom reflect and
look at itself?
bindu: Ah! Now you see it yes ... that is it. The process begins before the next
trillionth part of a nanosecond has elapsed and ends just as fast.
Sadhu: The same as all the beings reflect everything and each other. So one
contains the all?
bindu: Yes, always. This is the philosopher’s stone. It makes everything valuable.
Turns everything into gold or makes everything of the same value.
Sadhu: So the process “IN TIME” is for each individual to fully self realize its nature
as The Absolute One?
bindu: That is a nice way of saying it, yes. This is the meaning of Being.
Sadhu: Then after realization it is '''''static'''' beingness and yet nothing really
happened TO The Absolute?
bindu: Yes, The Absolute is eternally immortal (Static). Yes. So it is an imaginary
picture in The Absolute.
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Sadhu: But to those within it, humans and all beings should we ascribe meaning
outside of Self-realization to an individual life. Can we ascribe meaning outside of
realization to a human life?
bindu: Life has real meaning only when we contribute to the whole.
Sadhu: What is it in me that knows right and wrong, what moves my heart when I
see suffering, what makes me emotional, when I hear a nice piece of music?
bindu: The connection of the consciousness in you with “The Self” in the thing
perceived causes this. It is the recognition. The compassion and empathy for The
Self; it is the love which is conscious of Love.
Sadhu: So is it necessary that people should suffer? Is it ALL karma or the result of
karma?
bindu: Ah! now you are beginning to make connections...IT IS ALL KARMA, yes.
Sadhu: ALL?
bindu: The world exists because the Absolute IS All.
Sadhu: I don't understand.
bindu: The world manifests as the result of the potency; any result, is Karma.
Sadhu: What about innocent people dying or suffering.
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bindu: They aren't innocent, you are only seeing the surface, the Omniscient needs
to have and know all there is to know in itself. Else it is not omniscient. Those who
suffer are not condemned to be at that level forever. As they too are The Absolute
pretending to be the Jiva. That is why death exists else the knowledge we call pain
would not end for anyone. Reincarnation is therefore enacted in the sense that the
knowledge of pain or destruction transcends itself and becomes creation or re-
birth.
Sadhu: When you say pretending to be the Jiva, is it the same as saying self-
reflecting on itself.
bindu: Yes, that which they are experiencing shows the rest the result of loveless-
ness or rejection. They teach us compassion for The Self, without their sacrifice
who would know what compassion is? Thus they are very compassionate parts of
the whole, and are worthy of our utmost compassion. If a man kills or harms
another, that man is killing himself.
Sadhu: And to the Omniscient consciousness everything is how it should BE?
bindu: Yes ... it is perfect.
Sadhu: What do you mean killing himself?
bindu: He is killing himself because his action condemns him to return again and
again to this point; until he overcomes his primal anger he will die again and again.
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The person he killed lies at his feet. He sees the result; his action is causing his
evolution.
Sadhu: Reincarnation is a FACT?
bindu: Yes it is a fact because The Self is the ALL and His omniscience must
transcend the modes of knowing we call knowledge, ideas or cognitions.
Sadhu: When does he know the result of what he has done, only after the physical
body dies?
bindu: Yes, after he dies- or even “AS” he dies! If a person dies thinking, he has
such and such attributes, (because he is The Self masquerading as that man) he
will come back as that man immediately. He dies or he will go to the world he
believes exists for those who die. In short he, The Absolute, will go to where He says
He will go, or be what He says, He is. The same laws apply in this world when you
say I am Jack, you the God, do as you wish; but in truth nothing dies or lives.
Sadhu: But if “I” said “I” AM or “I” “AM” - IT?
bindu: Nothing happens. If you say that, I will ask who says that?
Sadhu: It just happens.
bindu:
Jack cannot say it in a way that makes any difference. Jack can say it but it won’t
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mean anything. It has to be HE, The Absolute, who says it, not Jack. But if Jack
realizes the truth he knows all saying is done by The Absolute not by Jack.
Sadhu:
But The Absolute cannot speak or know.
bindu: Ah! That is the secret of it yes ....Whose voice is in your head? To whom
does it arise? That is the ONE, so then He says it AS Jack, He does not say it as
Himself, in His true nature. This is why there are beings; but for it to be real, Jack
must know who he is.
Sadhu: Ah!: AS
bindu: Yes, AS!
Sadhu: But IT is not A THING, it is not an IT .
bindu: Yes, it is ALL, existing AS....
Sadhu: The Absolute BEING, things - as things?
bindu: Yes.
Sadhu: And The Absolute is *not* consciousness?
bindu: No it isn't, it is conscious of consciousness... it is indefinable.
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Sadhu: It cannot be called anything including sacred, so the scale of sacredness
stops at the highest divine deity.
bindu: Yes, the god of form ends there.
Sadhu: It is the formless ''''''''GOD''''''''
bindu: Yes. It is the Tao. Thus the deity is in the foreground of the final slide at The
Yogicfire Web Site, with the cosmos peeled back behind it.
Sadhu: Is it correct to say that “The I” that looks out of your eyes, is the same I that
looks out of mine?
bindu:
Oh yes, but let us be specific – it is the “I Am” looking through the I-Am-ness. The
same I looks out of an ants eyes, a germs and virii, a cats, an eagles and so on.
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This is the Omniscient ONE knowing as that being - what that being knows; it is
hence Omniscience.
Sadhu:
Some western systems speak of consciousness *transference* into animals and
different forms such as plants etc to experience what it is like to be this form of
consciousness. All these forms experience the universe differently, yet the ONE that
looks is the same.
bindu: Well Lord Krishna says, if you attain even one of my Siddhis (powers) you
will never attain my transcendental nature.
Sadhu: Yet the consciousness or form of consciousness is different because things
such as this still happen to a 'me'
bindu: Yes that is right.
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Time and Vibration
bindu:
Time and vibration are two very subtle and hard to grasp things. Time no matter
how great a duration, appears as a mere speck to The Absolute (maybe not even a
speck). This is why to the Conscious Absolute; the Universe from one end to the
other comes into being, in less than a heart beat. Thus the universe is ended and
reborn faster than a particle of a nanosecond.
We think that a second is a very short time, it is not.
It may as well be an eternity.
Sadhu: All of the universe and all Time from beginning to end?
bindu: Yes, ALL.
Sadhu: It is ended and reborn NOW all the time?
bindu: Yes, but since it “OCCURS IN ALL NOWS” “ALL THE TIME” it is eternal; and
as such has always existed in the state of flashing, “AS” what is called the Spanda-
Sakti. Om has always been.
Sadhu: Infinitely fast vibration is stillness?
bindu: Yes, when a single speck moves every atom in the Cosmos must move aside
to accommodate its’ repositioning itself in space. Yet it might be thought that since
nothing in nothing can affect anything, how can one say it vibrates or moves
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anything in anything? And if indeed it does not move, since all is nothing then
nothing moves in nothing… Hence it is Conscious and absolute and moves in and
AS itself; else there can be no reference made here in this book or anywhere else to
nothing having an existence beyond existence; then This conscious ONE due to the
fact of self-awareness enacts the vibration called consciousness.
Sadhu: Ok that makes sense.
bindu:
Now that movement, no matter how small a movement - no matter how small a
particle, is The whole universe moving. So nothing moves in The Absolute except
the whole. Which is also The Absolute; if you can get this you will get instant
realization.
Sadhu: When a thing moves no matter how small it is or how minute its movement,
everything has to move to accommodate the movement?
bindu:
Yes, science knows all matter in the universe is interconnected. It is fact. So it all
moves when you move. So you are the universe.
Sadhu: WOW!
bindu: How much more proof do you need? It is scientific fact; there is no thing at
all but the ONE. NONE!
Sadhu: The Absolute behind it is the only thing that doesn't move?
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bindu: Yes. Now back to Time; though that movement appears to take an eternity
to effect the whole, it does not. The whole moves “AS” THAT ONE! “The Absolute” is
that in which the Cosmos moves. Thus if you remove the Cosmos there is infinite
stillness full of unmoving TIME. It is what I call full of moment. The Spanda-Karika
calls it the Spanda-Principal (the Supreme Vibration). It is also sometimes called
Spanda-Sakti.
The Spanda-Karika is a doctrine which says the cosmos is born from vibration and
vibrates in and out of manifestation forever. This is true, as nothing can exist in
atomic reality without the spinning of the atomic particles, of which matter is
composed. This is vibration. Out of this, physical existence appears as if by magic.
Sadhu:
Is vibration the cause of the different densities in manifestation, physical through
to consciousness itself?
bindu:
Yes, this is the Absolute creating the whole in EVERY SINGLE ATOM AT THE
SAME TIME everywhere. So the whole is born out of the bindu.
Sadhu: But what actually vibrates?
bindu: The reflection in The Absolute; of the emptiness; it is effervescence that has
become evanescence; it then becomes effervescence again; thus the heart beats in
the breast of all beings; the breath goes in and out; planets obit and seasons come
and go in an infinite dance; in the Sanatan-Dharma this is called the Dance of
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bindu: The whole exists in the SAME NOW, there is no such thing as “MANY”. It is
one. Drop the thought of many.
Sadhu: One bindu and one consciousness? Are these different?
bindu: No, because light and consciousness are synonymous, the photons all pop
out of the same Absolute at the same time all over the cosmos.
Sadhu: Consciousness itself is a vibration?
bindu: Yes. That is it; think NOW. What is occurring everywhere in every atom at
this moment?
Sadhu: But physical light is not consciousness. It is conscious?
bindu: No it isn't conscious it is the reflection of The Conscious Absolute.
Sadhu:
Every atom is vibrating, ok.
bindu: Yes; go through it step by step.
Sadhu: Yes!
bindu: IN THE SAME SPACE!
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Sadhu: It is all vibrating a “ONE thing”. Everything is IN this ONE thing!
bindu: Yes; IN THE SAME NOW!
Sadhu: And there is nothing OUTSIDE of this ONE thing. And no matter what
changes occur within this one thing, it is always still the ONE thing, and has
always been the same one thing. It is consciousness then of vibrating particles,
monadic and not continuous.
bindu: No, there is nothing outside The Self; the key is TIME. There is no TIME! If
anything happens it happens in the ONE; so due to the fact of the whole moving if
anything moves it is the ONE MOVING; but due to that it is not really moving at all
because there is nowhere to go to. For example:
An arrow moves in a space equal to itself ... so does it move or not?
Thus Time cannot be said to exist –
as its existence depends on distance or movement -
but it does not move.
Hence it does not exist yet does.
bindu: Ask yourself.
Sadhu: No it does not and cannot move.
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bindu: The Whole moves in a space equal to itself, so it does not move at all; this is
stupendous.
Sadhu: Because there is nothing outside of it?
bindu: Yes... and? This is a leap of understanding;
Sadhu:
All that exists, or will exist is within this ONE.
bindu: m... and?
Sadhu:
So I am IN IT now.
bindu:
m.. and?
Sadhu: So is 'my' mind.
bindu: m... and? What mind? Whose mind?
Sadhu: So is everything phenomenal, (*no matter how subtle*) “in my” perception
bindu:
Yes. I am waiting for you to say, “YOU ARE IT.” There are not two beings; not two
anything's, only ONE, no many, no diversity, no egos, no Jiva, no minds, no
beings.- NONE. NOTHING BUT YOU!
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bindu:
All hands are yours. YOU are an utter miracle.
Sadhu: All this is happening in what I AM!
bindu: Yes. The Upanishad says: He has countless hands, countless eyes - etc. He
moves without moving - He goes without going and so on. The Tao says what can
be described is not the real Tao. Zen says what is the sound of one hand clapping?
Buddha says how wondrous. How mysterious - I carry fuel I draw water!
Sadhu: I AM literally and truly everything, that is 'my' identity?
bindu: Yes, you are god, (The Jiva is not).
Sadhu: THAT IS WHAT I AM - Jiva is included in what I AM!
bindu:
So you are in a real spin eh? Great! Yes, He is included, as is all else and all other
beings everywhere.
Sadhu: My God! THAT is WHAT I AM! THAT IS WHAT *******I******AM*****!
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My God!
My tears filled up the ocean;
My anger filled up eternity;
My heart was an iron bell
which no-one heard.
As the wind of my breath
swelled the clouds of my being
like sails alone in a storm;
My own footsteps rang loud
on the cold stone of my mind.
None heard. Not the sigh of another;
Not the merest hint of one,
save myself stood there -
I was alone!
Traveling forever, I arrived no-where;
I saw nothing and met no-One
upon the road within the emptiness.
No God sat upon a throne
and no Devil howled beneath my feet;
for all these but drew breath
at the very whim of my own imagination.
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To myself I speak the truth;
I am! - I am, I Am!
I am alone - I am - -
My God!
Sadhu:
Yet all these thoughts and all these ideas and ALL these things are ALSO WHAT I
AM!! I am THAT!
bindu: Yes. Or not even THAT.
Sadhu:
And what is occurring right NOW is happening, the conversation that WE are
having is occurring in what I AM!
bindu: Yes.
Sadhu: Any questions and any truths and anything that I can think, is also a part
of what I Am! Here and now is WHAT I AM, there is nothing that I AM NOT!
bindu:
Yes. Over the coming days your mind will make all sorts of connections it will go on
for a long time.
Sadhu: What should be done?
bindu: Nothing. Just watch and enjoy.
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Sadhu: But when I ask WHO is watching, that thought is also a part of what I AM.
bindu: Yes, so have fun in your OWN BEING.
Sadhu: But how can I talk to I?
bindu: It will take a while to settle down into a quiet deep-deep peace; then you can
act from that and help other parts of yourself. Knowing this truth is absolute peace
and freedom forever. See what meditation brings tonight.
Sadhu: I have awakened to what I AM! But the Sadhu meditating is a part of what I
am!
bindu: Isn't it fun?
Sadhu: How can I deepen this realization?
bindu:
Just meditate as the space, always, not just when you go and sit to meditate. Exist
as it. Be the meditation. You will be the incarnation of meditation. In the sharing, it
tends to grow because you are sharing with ALL. If you keep it to your jiva-self, it
will not be long before you feel an urge to share.
Sadhu: But I hear so much about keeping realization private etc.
bindu:
Well it is not a matter of advertising it, you are right.
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Sadhu:
Aha, who is enlightened?
bindu:
Yes who is ???
Sadhu:
Nobody.
bindu: The students are not mine; they are students of the inner guru who is
themselves. I merely point them inward. But the funny thing is that a few have
been with for more than 3 years and they have not gotten to where you have in 3
days; but they are younger than you by 10 years.
Sadhu: What do you mean 3 days!! I have been searching for 22 years or more!!
bindu: See you later.
Sadhu: Goodnight, thank you!
bindu: You are most welcome.
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Who is The Self
Who is the Self?
I am the Sitter.........
when I sit walking is dormant in Me
I am the walker------
when I walk sitting is dormant in Me...
when I move .......
stillness is dormant in Me...
When I sit, I sit as all those who sit - just then;
All modes of sitting reside in My sitting.
When I walk, I walk as all those walking beings:
All modes and styles of walking reside in Me.
When I see, I see as all those who see;
everything seen resides in Me.
When I hear, I hear all who hear;
All hearing and every sound resides in Me.
I taste as all who eat, at that moment;-
I am the eater of all food, and am eaten also.
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In my sitting I am awake, I do not have to think
of all those others residing in My sitting.
When walking, I walk I am present in My walking.
I do not think of the countless beings who are walking.... just then.
Sleeping, I sleep as all sleepers, I am awake to myself.
Conscious of Myself, all who are awake are awake in Me.
I am the Self, residing in Myself --- or all unknown;
I exist in all those who think they are the actors and doers.
yet am not known by them ... all in Me --- I in them all.
Dormant in them, their minds asleep, they do not know Me.
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I Am That
Sadhu: What experiences have other students had?
bindu:
Well we don't talk about that. They will if they are asked but I don't ask. We are not
after any particular experience we are after the end. Taking notice of any
experiences can delude us so it is not encouraged.
Sadhu: In essence all mystical experience is the same as hanging out the laundry.
bindu:
Yes, isn't it weird? Right in front of you and you miss it all the time.
Sadhu: But then I think what, when I die? But then I think, WHO is thinking that
thought? Then I think that “THAT” is WHAT I AM. I Am “THAT” and the I Am is
“THAT” also.
bindu:
Yes. The Jiva dissolution actually happened to me. It also happened to
Muktananda. It is like looking at the dot shown on the image below. This is death
while not dead.
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In most cases everyone who has had a near death experience talks of a bright light.
The following image gives a graphic representation of this process. Note the
different lines or rays of light all lead to and from the absolute light. These are
implicit time-lines or lives lived by countless beings all seeking the conscious-love-
light
From Tirumantirum Tantra Nine
2686: The Light Within is the Blending of All Lights; Jnana, Siva and
Pranava That Light within Is pure as light of lightning; It is Light that is
great and red; It is the Light of Param That beams Jnana; It is the Light
of Adharas six ascended, It is the Light born of constant thought on
Pure Word (Aum) It is the Light that is blended of these lights all.
2687: The Little Light Within Points to the Effulgent Light The
Effulgent Light stands as a sparkling light concealed That ever to the
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shining Lord points; It is the light of the heart; It is the rich light that
within the body pulsates Pervading all, -Thus did the Lord as Light
stand.
2688: Divine Light Devours Soul's Darkness Luminous is that Light; It
is Light that devours Soul's darkness; It is Light of those who adore
Him in Jnana Light; He devours the poison that with ambrosia arises
From the milky seas And holds it in His throat ever; Unto it, is His
Light too
Sadhu: Yes.
bindu:
That light is as I have shown.
Sadhu: But upon death of the physical body, the soul or mental body directs where
it will go or what it will experience?
bindu: If the mental body has not been transcended; then yes, else no.
Sadhu:
Transcended means 'dissolved' because thoughts are still (the mind is no more) and
the underlying Absolute is known. It shines of itself - undistorted or tainted.
bindu: Yes, then to the one who dies knowing this; there is no difference because
his consciousness was known all along to be that light itself. His Jiva left him long
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ago. He does not go anywhere but he has a choice to either merge or return as a
being.
He having known Jivanmukti2 and having entered Maha-Samadhi3 he will return
because he knows the others have not gotten Jivanmukti. He is like a new cell to
which other cells come to be healed.
Sadhu: Jivanmukti - Merging entails what?
bindu: It depends what you are asking by asking: "merging entails what"?
Sadhu: What is the difference between merging and returning as a being? For
example, I ask all these questions about what is going to happen etc. but it is all
still a happening in what I AM it is “A” merging into the I AM.
bindu: Ah! Now you see it....... there is none? Yes.... so what happens when you
die?
Sadhu: Who dies? Who returns who merges? I don't get it!
bindu: Ah! Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad-Gita; “Nothing lives and nothing dies.”
So nothing happens. - Nothing is happening - Nothing will happen - Nothing can
happen - Nothing has happened.
Sadhu: Because it is what I AM?
2
JivanMukti: Sanskrit: Freedom while alive. Freedom from re-birth. JivanMukta: One who has attainedJivamukti.3 Maha-Samadhi: Maha: Great… Samadhi Absorption in God.
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bindu: M, nothing is moving in “You”-The Absolute.
Sadhu: But what will happen when 'you' as a body dies?
bindu: The body returns to dust and moisture. Nothing happens to the soul
because the soul is The Absolute. But until this is realized, there will be the need to
reincarnate.
Sadhu: The astral body separates.
bindu: The astral body is also within the i-ness. Think of it as if there is an x-ray
machine that can be tuned to an ever-finer degree to see more and more of the
subtle body until there is no longer any body or bones or any type of object. That is
the state of the Absolute Awareness.
Sadhu: Ok infinite fast vibration is still. (The vibration has ended). The Spanda-
Sakti has resolved into itself; soon it will manifest out of its own stillness.
bindu: A man may become Jivanmukta, but what is in him is not in him. His “I” is
in The Absolute living through him. He is already dead. His mind is extinguished.
To quote Sri-Dattatreya's Avadhuta Gita:
3. I have developed no false notion
that all this reality comes into existence
or that all this unreality comes into existence.
I am free from disease - my form has been extinguished.
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Sadhu: A Jivanmukta is The Absolute looking out through human eyes undistorted
/ pure non reflection?
bindu: Yes. I prefer not to use designations such as point to Race, Genus or
Species. He is of no race, He is a new species. He is no longer human.
Sadhu:
So people like Meher-baba, Maharshi, Nissagadatta were examples of this?
bindu: Yes.
Sadhu: God looks at *Himself* but all these STILL are within what I AM and any
knowledge about them is still within what I am.
bindu: Yes
Sadhu:
God looks at Himself through every reflected self, yet knows He is He who is looking
in the realized selves.
bindu: I think you better rephrase that.
Sadhu:
A God looks at Himself through every reflected self who has realized He “IS” the
unity; but two realized people cannot talk to each other because realization doesn't
happen to people, this is the paradox. It IS I.
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bindu:
Two realized people look at each other and laugh their heads off. They know no one
has realized anything. He looks through every self, but this is not necessarily
evident.
Sadhu:
Well those realized people are not realized, IT IS I! It is I, not you, not me!
bindu: That's why they have nothing to say and laugh.
Sadhu: But this is too weird. I ALONE AM... I ALONE AM, that's IT!
bindu: Yes.... there are no others; this talk is happening to you in You-The-
Absolute! He says I Am and His i-ness appears.
Sadhu:
But I AM EVERYTHING!!! EVERYTHING! NO-YES-NO. I AM THAT ALSO! I am not
everything! I am everything!
bindu: No, yes, maybe, not really, ok, not, yes, blah, blah, blah -- neti neti.
Sadhu:
I am a chicken and I am THAT SENTENCE declaring that i am a chicken. There is
no such thing as a realized you and a realized me, since I ALONE AM.
bindu: He said, “Let there be light” and there was!
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Sadhu: WHO SAID?
bindu: You are a funny bugger also and a gasbag. Who cares who said what?
Sadhu: Who, who, who!
bindu: An OWL!!!! ohohoh.
Sadhu:
This is all appearing happening like magic!
bindu:
Yes. A fantastic imaginary dreamscape.
Sadhu:
The world everything. There is only one!
bindu: Think of it, the whole UNIVERSE!!! Stars, Suns, Supernova, Planets, and
Dwarf-Stars ---- all of it is appearing in You. Unbelievable numbers of beings
existing on this tiny little planet from unnumbered germs & virii up to countless
others. All are You. Stupendousness!
Sadhu: ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''You'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' are
wrong. I AM THAT. YOU ARE WRONG!!! How funny is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bindu: You are also this.
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Sadhu: What?
bindu: Yes what ... All this appearance or nonappearance. Wrongness or rightness,
Good or evil... and neither also.
Sadhu: All there IS – “IS” what I AM!
bindu:
No, what is, IS YOUR I-Amness - You are Om!
Sadhu: What is Om?
bindu: A way of speaking a meaningless syllable to signify the whole. Or it is the
sound inherent in The I-AM.
Sadhu:
OH THAT whole!!!!!!!!
bindu: What whole?
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I-AM-Ness and That
Sadhu: I remember two remarkable points about the Siva Sutras. The very first line
says:
"Universal consciousness is one’s own nature."
And elsewhere it says:
"That the body of the yogi also becomes part of the external universe."
Does the body become the centre or does it become, or is it, the receptacle for the
entire universe?
bindu: Neither. The consciousness recognizes that the body is part of it just as a
rock is. The Consciousness does not simply dwell in the body after realization it is
everywhere and nowhere. The Universe (or more correctly the Cosmos) is the all-
around-Present-objectified Atman. The Absolute is conscious everywhere in that, as
well as outside it i.e. beyond its existence.
Sadhu: All around present *objectified* Atman means the consciousness of the
individual Atman?
bindu: No! It is not that way at all; referring to the individual ATMAN is a
contradiction in terms, as there is no “INDIVIDUAL ATMAN”. Think of it like this...
the body is seen by the realized ones, as if it is a dream. Your comment refers to
the Jivatma not the Atman. Think like the following for a moment.
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You can imagine a ghost or a red dog ... you can picture it in your mind yes?
Sadhu: Yes.
bindu: Now to The Absolute (in which The I Am dwells “AS” The Absolute) the body
called by the name bindu appears the same as your imaginary dog or ghost. It
appears as if over there - vaguely existing in an almost surreal way. Think of your
brother he is in your mind, but you cannot see him with your eyes. He is not as
clear as if you were with him. My body appears to The Absolute (in which i dwell)
like that.
Now then I see the whole of existence in the same way... my REAL is your unreal
and Supernatural. Yet this does not refer to the supernatural as in how that is-
thought about generally. It refers to the All-around-and-through consciousness
without end or limit, in the physical, or in the metaphysical; as in The Conscious
Absolute, they are like conjoint twins that are co-dependent.
Sadhu: That makes sense but what about other objects, all appear simultaneously,
so it’s kind of opposite.
bindu: Yes, but far more conscious, because the consciousness is not limited to the
physical; thus I can seem normal and act normal. For example: I can actually enter
the consciousness of a dinosaur or shark or fly and so on; but not as a man. It
must be done as that creature - feeling as it does and so on.
Sadhu: Knowing them to be how they are and were etc. which also means
understanding on an intimate level?
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bindu: Yes. It is like actually being them. If however I wanted to know in English
what they were thinking, that is impossible. Because that would mean the
consciousness has become where it is now; it has left the place or Time where that
knowledge exists. Yet while being another being the consciousness has in effect
regressed in its evolution to the extent where it cannot speak.
Imagine the rage of T-Rex or the gentleness of a dove and so on. It is all right there.
Anyway, it will not be a good idea to dwell too much on this sort of conversation
dear. We were talking about God yesterday, have you understood it yet?
Sadhu: Yes. I know that what perceives is what I AM, nothing can exist outside of
what I AM; but i can't think about what I AM. All gods are a part of “what I AM”
nothing exists outside of what I AM.
bindu: Yes, yes, but why does God have to exist in order for you to come to know
who you are. Why Must God exist so that you can come to know your "I AM"?
Sadhu: It doesn't.
bindu: Oh yes it does, sorry.
Sadhu: Even if god with the big G came down right now it would still be appearing
within the consciousness of what I AM.
bindu: Yes, but who told you who you are? How did you find out? Did you do it?
No! God came and told you! Before that there was a man; that man did not and
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could not tell himself who he was. Who told me who i am? God. Before that i was
thinking I am a man only. The man could not tell himself who he was. He thought
he was a man only. He believed he existed.
Sadhu: How does anyone become realized then, is it the same always; are they
always told?
bindu: No, no one becomes realized; God reveals His own nature; but yes, by the
grace of God, God comes and tells us. So who is that God? What is He?
Sadhu: He is what perceives ALL this.
bindu: So He, is the one who is realized, is He?
Sadhu: yes.
bindu: Well who is the Massive being of light who embraces the whole Cosmos in
his being? That is God Himself in Himself. All the things shine by His light alone....
He exists as the bridge to The Absolute, HE is God. He is the Gu and the Ru (which
mean light and dark respectively). He is the Guru... But not and never the man;
this is the true nature of the Guru. A man who thinks he is the Guru is a fool.
The only true Guru is God; He is called the Sadguru4 (the Guru who dwells in the
heart – The Real Guru – He is never the man). This God is called Iswara by the
Hindus. He is never born. He is the empty space in which the Cosmos “IS”; but
4 Sadguru or Satguru means true guru (Sanskrit sat=true), literally: true teacher. The title means that his students
have faith that the guru can be trusted and will lead them to moksha, enlightenment or inner peace. It is based ona long line of Hindu philosophical understandings of the importance of knowledge and that the teacher, guru, isthe sacred conduit to self-realization.
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once the space merges in Space He is the unknowable. He is that in which all Gods
dwell. He is called Krishna “the Dark One” because He is unseen yet known as
sheer presence!
Sadhu: What is the relationship of “The I AM” to that being you refer to “AS” God?
bindu: The relationship is, first You are God, the Cosmos is your i-am-ness, it is
your form.. In you there are countless beings and other Gods also.
Sadhu: That being is the consciousNESS of all that IS; including the consciousness
of a man.
bindu: That is The Atman's form yes, but HIS “I”, HIS “Me” is formless. His
consciousness is His I-amness which displays in Himself.
The Cosmos is YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS OH GOD! but it is not YOU! It is
yours; just as a man’s body is not him. I refer to a man’s BODY think
on this.
Your i-am-ness is what “YOU” call "YOUR" think on this.
It is "YOUR" consciousNESS think on this. You are the conscious
ONE who is GOD Himself, all this that is displayed in you, is your “I-
amNESS.”
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The Cosmos and every being in it, is hence worthy of the deepest
respect from you. If on the other hand you do not respect it, then due
to it being you, the jiva will know the pain you have given to yourself!
That i-am-ness is your form.
Thus God must exist to know His I-AM.
He is not different from His I-AM.
Sadhu: So, if I AM God, and the universe and everything that appears within it, is
my own consciousness or mind? Is this what you mean by “MY” I-amness?
bindu: Yes, precisely, but do not make the mistake of thinking The “YOU” – (The
Jiva) is God as he appears IN YOU also. Yet you transcend existence and become
unknowable as a defined or definable concept. As when you are the I-Am, the
universe appears “IN” you as your I-amness.
Sadhu: The being of light then is “I” Myself?
bindu: Yes that is right; yet once He discovers Himself His reflection becomes
extraneous; just as you own reflection tells you who you are; and thereafter you do
not need the mirror to identify your face. In this way, the God of form transcends
his own form and consciousness also. Thus God exists; indeed He must exist for
you to be told who you are!
He is God. Then once the truth of Himself is known as Himself He is known to be
the All-In-All.
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Sadhu: It is no different if it “WAS” the massive being of light telling me the same
thing?
bindu: That is right. It does not matter if He exists or not because in the end He is
God. In His own consciousness beyond the witness – The Witness (god) has
transcended existence. In you there is no being of light there is only light. You
either exist as Him or as Jiva. In either case the Jiva must be told he is not what he
thinks he is. He must come to realize he has been God all along; hiding and
pretending He is the Jiva. So you The Absolute create or make Him to tell you who
you are! You created him so “YOU” can find You!
Be very careful here to understand -
that if the Jiva is referred to as himself ( as you) -
or is referred to as God –
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you have made a grave mistake;
for how can the referred-to (the reflection) become the Man?
Sadhu: Yet what is really happening here?
bindu: Think a moment; this is an amazing thing. While in reality God is a myth,
you cannot create anything in this world that is not a myth, even up to the entire
Cosmos. BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL THAT EXISTS!!!
Sadhu: The I AM is The Absolute Being; that is - "I alone AM". My consciousness is
the manifest universe, yet I also reflect in every other being.
bindu: Yes, then the countless Jiva are reflections; they are copies-of-copies,
shining in the mirror of your (You-The-Self) own psychic-space. Vis: Consciousness
shining as consciousness. Here if you are quick you will realize that since you do
not exist as Jiva, that very non-existence is “HIM” it is not Jiva’s non-existence as
the Jiva does not even not-exist..
There is nothing outside of this consciousness and everything is formed of it. I
alone "Am The One Conscious I" which lights up the entire world this is what I AM,
and I alone am. Everything is included in my consciousness. Even now I alone am,
but what am I? I Am That! Where do “I” exist?
EVERYTHING IS IMAGINARY but YOU are unimaginable. You are unknowable; yes
You “ARE THAT”! You are not any - where – “YOU ARE!” You Are “The I-Am!”
Sadhu: I Am Existence!
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bindu: Yes, “You” exist as infinity; “You” are the ground of all that IS. However
whether what exists is a dream or illusion or is real does not matter because either
it exists as illusion or it exists as reality hence in either case it exists. Think some
more.
Sadhu: Everything is phenomenal to the I AM. The I AM is not objective to what I
AM, therefore i am THAT!
bindu: m, yes.
Sadhu: There is no God outside of what I Am; “I AM IT!”
bindu: So why does God exist? And who/what is He?
Sadhu: Many gods exist.
bindu: Yes, in you. Each Jiva has a god who is called Jivatma; the sum of all Jeeva
is ParamAtma. The God is You.
Sadhu: I can't bow to what I am because I AM That.
bindu:
Yes, but You can bow to You. Now that You know who You are, You can worship
You. It makes no difference now but if Jiva worships himself he will remain
deluded. You can also realize that all bajans, all worship, all hymns, all prayers all
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goodness, all grace and all Love and compassion arises in Him for Himself. Hence
He worships Himself “AS” existence itself!
Sri Dattatreya says in Avadhuta Gita Chapter 3 verse 2:
2. Siva (The Absolute) is ever without white and other colors.
This effect and cause are also The Supreme Siva.
I am thus the pure Siva, Devoid of all doubt.
Oh beloved friend, how shall I bow to The Self in My Self?
Sadhu: But I AM that!
bindu: Yes, the one who bows and the one who is bowed to. You can bow or not,
who cares? Is there a difference? Where is there any difference in anything? –
Nowhere! So who cares? Do as you should in respect for yourself ... or not - this is
the state of an Avadhuta. Read The Avadhuta Gita of Sri-Dattatreya.
http://www.upnaway.com/~bindu/anantayogaweb/avadhuta/chap01.htm
Or you can set an example of worshipping God, which although no one is conscious
of who you are; The Self knows – such that the example of worshipping yourself (as
The Self worshipping The Self) reaches the watcher on a subconscious level and
they will be drawn to The Self also. But do not allow them to put YOU on a
pedestal; as their actions are to the Jiva by the Jiva. Rather, show them the way
inward to the Self instead and tell them to put HIM on a pedestal in their own
hearts.
Sadhu: Avadhuta?
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bindu: An Avadhuta is one who goes about naked as Siva Himself. Naked means He
has no self; it does not refer to the common idea that He goes about without
clothing as it is often interpreted to mean.
Sadhu: Yet all this is happening within my own consciousness, which is
everywhere.
bindu: Yes, but so what?
Sadhu: What I AM, is THAT!
bindu: So what? Who cares?
Sadhu: My consciousness or mind is every THING!
bindu: So what? Do you care? NO you don't, because you are yourself.
Sadhu: Yes!
bindu: Remember our conversations started in regard to moral yes?
Sadhu: yes.
bindu: So where do morals figure for your REAL self?
Sadhu: They are a part of what I AM, the same as anything else.
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bindu: Yes, but they are imaginary just like God is, but we keep them for the sake
of other bits of The Self who have not returned whence they came. Behav