Amino Asses

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"Amino Asses"

Los Angeles, December 13, 1973

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Prabhupada: ...is contamination. Just like when a person is diseased, you find

so many extra chemicals in his body. So a diseased person produces such

chemicals, not that chemicals are the agents for his life. Try to understand.

When a living entity is pure, when he becomes impure, these chemicals are

produced out of... Exactly the same thing, just like when a man becomes

contaminated, infected with some disease, you will find so many extra things,

germs and chemicals in his body. So these extra chemicals, germs, are not

responsible for his living condition. Because he is living and because in an

awkward condition, therefore these things have been produced by him.

Svarupa Damodara: But how about the normal chemicals which are...

Prabhupada: Normal chemicals must be. Then of the whole world... The

material world is made of chemicals. So wherever you go and see, the

chemicals in different, what is called, element, they are present. You cannot

see but chemicals because you have no eyes to see the soul. So you simply

see the chemicals which is produced by the soul. Just like anything you keep

for some time, when it is decomposed, you find so many chemicals, extra. So

now they are mistaking. The chemicals are not... They are effects, they are not

cause. When a thing is decomposed, you'll find so many extra chemicals. Our

point is that because a thing is decomposed, so many chemicals come out, not

that on account of these chemicals it has given... A dead body. A dead body --

not that because the chemicals have come, therefore he is dead, no. Because

the body is dead, therefore so many chemicals have been produced. Try to

convince this rascal like that, that "You are seeing the extra chemicals. They

are not cause, they are effect." Sometimes when a rascal cannot understand

two things, which is cause and which is effect, they misunderstand effect as

cause or cause and effect. That is imperfect knowledge, illusion, taking the

effect as cause. That is their mistake. Whole basic principle of their knowledge

is mistake, illusion, on account of imperfect senses, and they are cheating. On

account of imperfect senses, they cannot understand what is cause and what

is effect. And without knowledge, they have become teacher. Therefore they

are not teacher but cheater. This is the conclusion.

Svarupa Damodara: Even if these chemicals are made, Srila Prabhupada, if

the environment is not favorable to enter the soul, then the chemicals...
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Prabhupada: Therefore I say on account of the environment, these chemicals

are produced. Therefore I say. When a man is diseased -- the environment

has changed-other extra chemicals comes out. It is the environment. I am also

pointing out that. The environment is the cause. Chemicals produced in the

body of a dead body, you cannot produce in the laboratory because theenvironment is different. Unless you find out a dead body, that chemicals you

cannot manufacture. How can you find out the chemicals of dead body in a

living body? Get up. Yes. (laughing) So pay; then the chemical is produced.

Without payment, then there is no chemical. Cause is the payment. These

rascals, they do not understand this. [break] ...goes to fight in Vietnam, what is

the philosophy? Who will answer?

Svarupa Damodara: They want to stop spread of communism.

Prabhupada: Yes. Similarly, now America has to do the same thing to stop

demonism. Then your nation will be leader. You understand; you have trust in

God. Now it is your business to trust in real God and work for Him. You

cannot... I have explained already. You cannot stop communism. You have to

stop demonism. That is your real business. Communism is another type of

demonism. So if you remain a demon, so what is the use of stopping another

demonism? The same example: stool, the upside is dried up. You cannot say,

"Because it is upside of stool, it is better side." Stool is stool. Guer ei pita en

opita. (?) (dog barking loudly) Come on. That's all right. He cannot make the

condition of the world better by... Just like Professor Kotofsky. He was saying

that there must be revolution. I was talking of authority. So the authority you

must have to accept. So he said that authority is accepted upon revolution.

Svarupa Damodara: After revolution?

Prabhupada: Ah. Because I said about authority... So this is fact. Now, in

Russia the authority was the Czar. Now, after this Bolshevik revolution, Lenin

became authority. That was his point. I said that you have to accept one

authority. That you cannot change. That he said, that "Yes, that I accept, but

authority has to be changed by revolution." And yes, we accept that. But the

ult... When you come to Krsna consciousness authority, then there is no more

necessity of change." Yam labdhva caparam labham manyate nadhikam tatah.

Everyone is trying to achieve the greatest profit. So when he gets Krsna, he issatisfied. No more profit. Final profit. Yam labdhva caparam labham manyate

nadhikam tatah. So there is no more necessity of revolution because that is

the ultimate peaceful condition. So if you do not come to the ultimate condition

of peace, then this revolutionary method will go on, continue. There will be no

cessation of revolution, one after, one... That is maya, illusion. I am thinking by

going a few steps, mirage, I will get the water. But there is no water at all. It is

simply illusion. And as soon as you go a few steps forward, you see that the


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water has gone away, again, few steps forward. You go again. Again you see.

This is going on. So animal, they go forward after the mirage. But a sensible

man, he knows that "This is not water. It appears like water, but it is not water."

Therefore we are making revolution, changing one authority from another, but

we do not know they are not authorities. Real authority is Krsna. That is their...Therefore it is called illusion or maya. We are thinking that "From this ism to

that ism." Just like there was French Revolution. So the French people are not

happy. Still there is unhappiness. Similarly, Bolshevism. We have seen

practically in Moscow. Nobody is happy. There cannot be happiness. This is

going on. So real happiness is Krsna. That, people should know. The chemical

evolution also, it is also maya. They are thinking by further improvement, just

like you were speaking, almost come to the point... That "almost coming to the

point," that will continue. You will never come to the point. This is the position.

You'll never come to the right point.

Svarupa Damodara: When the concept of chemical evolution, when this fails,

then they have to accept that there is a Supreme Being. This will also fail.

Prabhupada: No, this will fail. It is already failed. But because they are...

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, but they are still hoping.

Prabhupada: ...they are fools and rascals, they are still hoping against hope.

That's it. It is already failed.

Svarupa Damodara: They are not fully convinced yet.

Prabhupada: Because they are not intelligent. There is a Bengali word, dekhe

sekhe teke seke. (?) Mean when one who is intelligent, he is seeing the things,

he is understanding, "Oh, the consequence of such action is this." So... And

another man is so fool. Unless he is actually in that position, he will not learn.

One is learning by seeing only and another is learning by actually being in that

position. So who is intelligent?

Yasomatinandana: One who is learning by seeing.

Prabhupada: Yes. One who knows that these material things, it has got abeginning and it has got an end... In every day we see that. Even with our

body we see that it has a beginning and it has an end. I have seen my father

was born and he died. So I am also born; I'll also die. My son is also born; my

son will die. This is real experience. But if somebody says that "I shall not die.

We are trying to become immortal," so that is foolishness. That is foolishness.

By experience from time immemorial, historical reference, there is no such

thing as immortality. But if somebody says, "By chemical evolution we shall


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become immortal..." Our Krsna consciousness proposition is that human life is

meant for factual knowledge or ultimate knowledge. But these rascals are

checking that progress. That means the prerogative of human life is being

denied to the human society. So this kind of hindrances should be stopped,

either by soliciting or even by force, because the human society is beingruined. These things have to be stopped. Therefore I was inquiring that "Why

American went to Vietnam?" To stop communism, but that sort of stopping will

not make any solution. We have to stop demoniac civilization. Then the human

society will be happy and in normal condition. [break]

Prajapati: As soon as we define what demoniac civilization is, then no one will

support us because they'll see that they themselves are demons.

Prabhupada: Yes, because they are demons they cannot understand. Just like

one Christian priest went to some quarters, mine, gold mine. So he was

describing that "If you do not worship Lord Jesus Christ, you will go to hell." So

they asked, "What is hell?" So when he began to describe -- "It is always wet.

It is dark. There is no sufficient air, so on, so on" -- they could not understand

what is hell because they are already in the hell, in the mine. They could not

make any distinction that darkness is a very horrible thing. Similarly, these

demons they cannot understand what is demonism. Asuram bhavam asritah

[Bg. 7.15]. What is that asura-bhava? Not to accept God. This is asura-bhava.

This is demonism. This is the basic principle of... Everyone is trying to deny

God. Therefore they are demons. Who was telling that the medical man is

considered to be first-class authority?

Devotee: That was Prajapati.

Prajapati: That's what the people believe. They have more trust in medical

men than they do in anything else.

Prabhupada: Yes. But medical man also does not understand what is that

thing missing which makes this body dead. And still, he is placing himself as

authority, as scientific man, and people are accepting. That is demonism. He

cannot explain. A man is dying. He is applying his scientific processes, what is

called that gas, oxygen gas, and other injection, and in spite of doing all these

things, he finds at a moment that the man is dead. And when you ask him that"In spite of your all scientific appliances, why the man is dead?" And still, he

has become authority, such foolish man that this man cannot explain that in

spite of all his efforts, scientifically, a man is dead. Now what he will answer?

He has seen his all kinds of scientific appliances and applied but the man is

dead. Now let him explain why the man is dead. Can he explain?


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Prajapati: Not to our satisfaction.

Prabhupada: No, no, satisfaction or not satisfaction, what he will answer

possibly? Now, you are scientist. You can... What he will say?

Svarupa Damodara: He will say that it is above his means.

Prabhupada: Therefore you are a fool. Why you are becoming authority?

Svarupa Damodara: He will say that "I have tried my best, but I cannot do it."

Prabhupada: That's all right. That means you do not know. A child also tries

his best, but he cannot do. That does not mean he becomes authority.

Prajapati: He will say that there needs to be certain conditions...

Prabhupada: What is that condition?

Prajapati: ...for the sustenance of life.

Prabhupada: No, no, certain conditions, that is not... That is vague. You say

what is that condition. Then you are authority.

Prajapati: Electrical charge in the heart.

Prabhupada: Then do it, do it. Electricity is there.

Prajapati: Well, they are able to take some people. Their heart has stopped,

they seem to be dead, they inject electrical nodes in the heart and they bring

them back to life.

Prabhupada: Back to life how long?

Prajapati: Life can continue.

Prabhupada: Continue forever?

Prajapati: No.

Prabhupada: Then? He'll die. That is another thing. He'll die. Why he'll die?

What is that condition? If you say, "chemical condition," now, as chemist, if you

say, "The chemical condition has changed," we'll reply, "No chemical condition

has changed." So produce life. No chemical condition has changed because

life will come out immediately. So many germs and worms, they will come out.


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So where is the chemical condition of producing life is changed? How can you

say? But that life is not coming. That Mr. John, his life is not coming. Therefore

he is an individual soul. Otherwise the chemical condition is there. Otherwise

how these germs and worms are coming out? But Mr. John is not coming.

Therefore it is conclusion that "This is individual soul. He has gone, but he isnot coming." But other living beings are coming out.

Svarupa Damodara: What is the condition of the soul, innumerable souls,

within the body? Like the cells. All are living cells. These all contain individual

souls.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: So what these individual souls are doing to support the

bigger soul?

Prabhupada: No, they are living individually. Just like there are many germs in

your stool. Because the stool is there, they are living. That is their perfect

condition of living. That's all. But that germs has nothing to do with this

individual soul, Mr. John. Just like I am living, you are living, but we are all

independent different souls. They are living in their own condition, you are

living in your own condition. But when you go to office to work, you find so

many others are also working. But that does not mean they are dependent on

your working or you are dependent on their work. But the condition is like that.

Svarupa Damodara: But it looks like I am the proprietor of these souls.

Prabhupada: No, no, you are not proprietor, nobody is proprietor. You are put

into that condition by God. Real proprietor is God. You are simply placed in

that condition, that's all. That is your dependence on the condition offered by

God.

Svarupa Damodara: But just like in a office, the boss is working and there are

different clerks. There are secretaries helping him.

Prabhupada: Yes, therefore the boss is the chief man who is giving work: "You

like this. You work like this. You work like this. You work like this."

Svarupa Damodara: So I am the boss.

Prabhupada: No, you are not boss. You are also one of the workers.

Prajapati: Are you telling how the stomach to digest and how the hair to grow


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not know that he is coughing and the sound is like this? He will die after eight

hours." It is experience. The students did not know but he could understand,

"Coughing under such and such sound, it means death after such and such

time." Yes. That, kaviraja can tell. When my father died, the kaviraja said,

"Now you can do the rituals because he will die before next morning." He said.And actually it so happened. He said me this about ten, eleven o'clock, and he

said exactly, "Before next morning he'll die." So that is experience. If you say,

"After twenty days the month of January is coming," the child cannot

understand, "How father said that twenty days after, January is coming?" But it

is better experience only that one can say, "Today is 10th, and after twenty

days, 1st January, will come." Everything is experience but supreme

experience is Krsna. Therefore if we receive experience from Him, then our

experience becomes perfect. This is our proposal.

Svarupa Damodara: If I am the boss of my body...

Prabhupada: You are boss of your body in the sense that you can utilize your

body in any manner you like, so much. But there are other condition which is

beyond your... Suppose... so long you are living, you can utilize your body,

your senses, to understand the ultimate goal of life. But you cannot utilize your

life in such a way that you will never die. That is not possible.

Svarupa Damodara: So I am controlled also.

Prabhupada: Yes. Why don't you understand that? You are controlled always.

[break] You are walking. This is also controlled. At any moment you can beparalyzed, at any moment.

Svarupa Damodara: So even I am not the boss of my body, then?

Prabhupada: No, no. That is said. Why don't you read Bhagavad-gita?

prakrteh kriyamanani

gunaih karmani sarvasah

ahankara-vimudhatma

kartaham iti manyate

[Bg. 3.27]

He is being pulled by the ear, by material nature, but he is, rascal, thinking that

"I am the boss." This is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Prakrteh kriyamanani.


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Did you not read this? Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah

ahankara-vimudhatma. Puffed up in false egotism, he is thinking that he is

boss. That is illusion. He is not boss. But he is thinking he is boss. Ahankara-

vimudhatma. One who is thinking that "I am boss," he is ahankara-vimudha.

By false egotism and being a rascal, he is thinking like that. And becauseeveryone is under that impression, therefore we say generally, "Rascal.

Rascal." People may be amazed, "Why this gentleman says everyone rascal?"

But prakrteh kriyamanani, vimudhatma. Bhagavad-gita it is said, "Anyone who

is thinking that he is boss, he's a rascal." [break] ...Scientists struggle is that he

wants to stop the action of prakrti, nature. That is his foolishness. That is not

possible. You cannot become boss of the prakrti. You are under prakrti. The

boss of prakrti is Krsna. mayadhisa. [break] ...guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-

janma-yonisu. You are getting different types of body on account of your

association with the different modes of material nature. Why one soul has got

this body, dog's body, and why one soul has got a human body? Everything is

being done by prakrti, by nature. Now in this human form of body, you get that

discrimination, "What should I do?" If you act like cats and dogs in this life,

then you are missing the chance. You do not take advantage of the power of

discrimination. Bhagavad-gita says, dehantaram: "Another body one gets." So

another body... And next body I can get this dog's body. But you have... In

human form of life you have got the discriminating power not to get the dog's

body, but you can get the body of a god. That you can do. Now it is our

discrimination, "Whether I am going to get a dog's body or god's body." That

you can do. This is human form of body. A dog cannot not do. He has no such

discrimination power. But you can do. So if you do not do that, then you are

missing the opportunity. Yanti deva-vrata devan pitrn yanti pitr-vratah [Bg.9.25]. This is the verse. Anywhere you like, you can go if you utilize your, this

human form of body properly.

Prajapati: Should also this be the responsibility of the government to protect

people from having to take dog body?

Prabhupada: Yes, that is the government's duty, that the citizens may not

degrade. That is government's duty. Now, just like a father thinks, "Now, these

children have come under my protection. I must see they get proper education

and make advancement of life." It is the father's duty. And if the father thinks,

"Let him go to hell." That's all. Nowadays fathers are doing like that. That is not

father's duty. Similarly, government's duty is that the citizen must make

progress. But they do not know what is means by progress, what is the aim of

life. They do not know. They are demonic. How they will guide? They think,

like cats and dogs, "If you get fatty and you can eat more, then your life is

successful." Their thinking is very poor. Simply physical strength, they think

that is success. But he does not think that physical, the elephant has physical


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is better? One, by disappointment, he says, "Close this business. There is no

profit." And another man says, "No, don't close it. We shall make you profit.

We shall show you profit. Just manage it properly." This is our proposition. We

don't say that "Stop all these material activities." No. Just do it properly so that

you get real profit and real benefit. That is our program. We don't want to makeit zero, no. Why shall I make it zero? [break] ...can be taken just like there is

business, but the workers, the assistants, they have no idea who is the

proprietor. So everyone is doing something, taking pocket, something this,

take pocket, his pocket, so how the business will go on nicely? That is being

done. Everyone, these rascals, they have no idea who is the proprietor of this

world. So they are doing in their nonsensical way. Therefore there is

confusion. The business is not profitable. But if they accept, "No, the real

proprietor is such and such gentleman, so he wants to do us like this," then the

business will be profitable. Everyone is thinking that he is proprietor, so how

this business will profit? This is the position. Everyone is thinking that he is the

proprietor. He forgets that he is worker. He is not proprietor. That is the

mistake. Therefore the business is mismanaged, and there is no profit, simply

chaos. That is the position. [break] ...says in the Bhagavad-gita,

bhoktaram yajna-tapasam

sarva-loka-mahesvaram

suhrdam sarva-bhutanam

jnatva mam santim rcchati

[Bg. 5.29]

"If you want to stop this chaotic condition, then accept Me that I am the enjoyer

and proprietor of this whole world, and I am your real friend. Let the business

be done on My account, you take your right salaries, you be happy, and there

will be no chaotic condition." But here the position is that everyone is thinking

proprietor, and as far as possible, he is taking all the money, and other is

starving. He is not getting his salary even. So he also, because he is weak, he

cannot steal. The stronger, he is stealing. There is fight. Just like this chaotic

condition of the petrol. The Arabians thinking that "I am the proprietor. Whyshall I give to the Americans?" Thing is there, but it is chaotic only because

they do not accept the proprietor is God. That is the defect. How you can give

freedom for stealing? Stealing freedom means punishment awaiting you. If I

give you freedom -- "Yes, whatever you like, you can go on stealing" -- that

means next stage is your punishment. That is going on.


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Svarupa Damodara: They will say that proprietor stage is relative.

Prabhupada: Yes, it is relative. Relative means you are servant. You must

satisfy by your service to the proprietor and get your nice salary and be happy.

Tena tyaktena bhunjitha. Whatever He gives, you accept and be happy. Thatis Isopanisad. You don't try to encroach upon others. You receive from the

proprietor your emolution (emolument?) or your reward and be happy. That is

Isopanisad. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Everything is God's

property. You take your share. You have got right. Just like a father and the

son. There are ten sons. Everyone has got the right to share the property of

the father, but as the father gives, not that I take away the whole property and

others, brothers, may starve. That is not allowed. That is criminal. Here in the

material world everyone has come to get the best profit, without considering

profit for others. Others may go to hell. "Others, let them go to the

slaughterhouse. I must satisfy my tongue." That is material world. "No, why

you are slaughtering other living entities?" "I don't care. I want to eat. That's

all." So you have to pay for that. You cannot put others into difficulty because

God is equally merciful to everyone. But you don't care for God. Therefore you

do whimsically whatever you like. So you are putting yourself in difficulty. This

is the position. [break] ...mahad-gunah. Therefore without God consciousness,

nobody is qualified. Nobody is qualified. Everyone is damned, condemned.

[break] ...asato dhavato bahih. By mental speculation he will simply prolong his

material existence, that's all. And that is troublesome. Material existence

means just this. The dog is material existence. It is a standard of suffering. But

he does not know. Under illusion he is thinking that "I am very happy." So

everyone is thinking that "I am very happy," but he's in condemned condition.The pig. He is eating stool, living in a filthy place, but he is getting fat because

he is thinking he is very happy. This is called illusion. You are thinking, "Oh,

what a nasty condition. This animal is eating stool and living in a filthy place."

But he is thinking that he is very happy. Unless he thinks like that, he cannot

live in that condition. That is called illusion. He does not know what is the

actual high standard of happiness.

Prajapati: Highest standard of happiness, Srila Prabhupada, is simply to be in

your association.

Prabhupada: Back to home, back to Godhead, that's all. This is highest

standard of happiness. We are trying to take everyone to that place. Yad gatva

na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama [Bg. 15.6].

Devotees: Thank you. Jaya Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Jaya. (in the car) They are, the so-called scientists, they are

taking the effects as cause. That is illusion. Actually the soul has nothing to do


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with this, anything, material world, but according to the environment he is

creating certain material condition. [break] I don't require liquor, but if I want to

be intoxicated, then liquor is present.

Svarupa Damodara: Since I am conditioned in this material body...

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, as soon as I condition, I create an environment which

is material. Therefore these so-called scientists, they have no eyes to see the

spirit. They take this material condition as the cause of the spirit. And then

again, when they find that in spite of presence of these chemicals, the life is

not there, they are bewildered. They say, "Yes, we are trying to improve."

Therefore they do not find the cells in the dead body.

Svarupa Damodara: They say the cells are also dead in a dead body.

Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, they do not find it. Cells may be dead or

they do not find the cells, whatever it may be, but it was dependent on the life.

[break] ...with my so many servants. When I die, the servants also go away. So

you cannot say that "He was living because the servants were there." You

cannot say.

Svarupa Damodara: Because we are individual persons.

Prabhupada: Yes. The master has gone away. Therefore servants do not

require to serve. They have dispersed. But you say that "Because the servants

were there, the master was existing. Now the servants have left him, he isdead." You cannot say like that. [break] ...ever car, we are under control. Why

the red light? Red light is control.

Svarupa Damodara: Actually we are controlled every step.

Prabhupada: Every step.

Karandhara: Any one of these cars could crash into us. We would not be able

to...

Prabhupada: Yes. As soon as you transgress the law of control, you'll becrashed. So there is nature's control, and as soon as one goes against nature,

he is finished. [break]

Svarupa Damodara: ...Prabhupada told about the scientific...

Prabhupada: He was talking of all these materialistic persons as boka or fools.


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