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Panerai is all about "look at me" !

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08-06-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rhickey

Panerai is all about "look at me" !

considering 99% of the population have never heard of panerai and considering that their

design although on the larger side is understated and bland.

so how is panerai "look at me" again?

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08-06-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kmt

I found this image by Jim showing what appears to be the exact same style of watch as in

the ShopNBC presentation:

Other than the missing hands in the image cap, they look identical.

The main practical difference is that the Invicta is a bit smaller and therefore a bit more

wearable (without a diving suit). Other differences are in the case construction. The Russian

one is a top-loader with solid back. Also the 'canteen' crown protector is a different design in

some details.

The watch on the right looks to me like one of the modern reproductions due to the

markings on the dial and the colour of the luminous material applied to the dial and hands.

It may be (can't be sure from the photo) that the bezel has the optional spacer that can be

used to replace the crystal-protecting grille usually supplied with such watches. The screws

on the dial are not visible unfortunately so they can't be used as an indication of it being a

new or an old. The bezel is the more rounded shape usually associated with the modern

reproductions, however that is complicated by there having been at least two distinct runs of

191-ChS, with small differences around the bezel and the backs of the lugs.

One problem here is that the only well-documented watches are the original 191-ChS, the

modern Russian reproduction and the modern Invicta. If it just happens that all the detail

differences between the original and the Russian reproduction are exactly the same as the

differences between the original and the 1959 Invicta, then we're none the wiser by looking

at the outside of the watch.

Do we have a back view of the claimed 1959 watch?

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08-06-2010, 10:27 PM

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Nor do I seek the "LOOK AT ME" but when someone, who does not normaly even look at

watches stops me and wants to see one of my Invicta watches and when they find out that

they can get the look they want for the price they want it is a feel of satisfcation like no

other. I am a succesfull business owner and when a company can produce a product that

offers a value proposition that exites customers I also get exited. I understand that their

may be people who do not fit in some peoples watch collectors box or profile and are not as

refined as some would like but Invicta has brought in many people and overall has done a

great job. Two of the most satisfying things in the past year has been giving my daughter

leaving for the Navy my S1 Racer and giving a clients son who was leaving for Iraq a

Russian Diver he loved the first time he saw it and the appreciation was amazing.

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08-06-2010, 10:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chascomm

The main practical difference is that the Invicta is a bit smaller and therefore a bit more

wearable (without a diving suit). Other differences are in the case construction. The

Russian one is a top-loader with solid back. Also the 'canteen' crown protector is a different

design in some details.

The watch on the right looks to me like one of the modern reproductions due to the

markings on the dial and the colour of the luminous material applied to the dial and hands.

It may be (can't be sure from the photo) that the bezel has the optional spacer that can be

used to replace the crystal-protecting grille usually supplied with such watches. The screws

on the dial are not visible unfortunately so they can't be used as an indication of it being a

new or an old. The bezel is the more rounded shape usually associated with the modern

reproductions, however that is complicated by there having been at least two distinct runs

of 191-ChS, with small differences around the bezel and the backs of the lugs.

One problem here is that the only well-documented watches are the original 191-ChS, the

modern Russian reproduction and the modern Invicta. If it just happens that all the detail

differences between the original and the Russian reproduction are exactly the same as the

differences between the original and the 1959 Invicta, then we're none the wiser by

looking at the outside of the watch.

Do we have a back view of the claimed 1959 watch?

Thank you for the response. Actually, I was asking you to compare this new watch picture

with the screen cap from ShopNBC of the purported 1959 Invicta, not compare the two

watches in the photo. Here are both for comparison:

Now, in your opinion, does the watch on the right of the top picture look like the watch on

the right in the bottom picture?

Are they essentially the same style (case, rounded bezel, chrome plating/SS, dial, lume

color, etc.) from what detail you can make out in the photos?

Thanks

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08-07-2010, 12:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kmt

Thank you for the response. Actually, I was asking you to compare this new watch picture

with the screen cap from ShopNBC of the purported 1959 Invicta, not compare the two

watches in the photo. Here are both for comparison:

Now, in your opinion, does the watch on the right of the top picture look like the watch on

the right in the bottom picture?

Are they essentially the same style (case, rounded bezel, chrome plating/SS, dial, lume

color, etc.) from what detail you can make out in the photos?

Thanks

Just my opinion, but I can't make out a difference between the two photos.

So does anybody have a photo of the caseback of the 1959?

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08-07-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rhickey

Panerai is all about "look at me" !

Sounds to me like someone here doesn't own a Panerai.

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08-07-2010, 10:32 AM

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Clarification

Just to clarify what my original point was, which I think I may of worded incorrectly or at

least it may of been misunderstood. I have no problem with "Purist" and have no problem

with anyone who purchases high end watches and is not exited about anything Invicta. I not

only understand but respect anyone who appreciates craftsmanship and quality and keeps

the very highest standards. My issue has been the ones, and they probably are the minority

but very vocal, who everytime anything positive is stated about Invicta goes on the attack

and has to put down Invicta. I have read your posts and in no way are you or many of the

what I call "Purists" like that. Just wanted to clarify what I realy think and to ensure I was

not being like the ones I was complaining about. Thankfully on this site I have seen very

very little of that compared to many other forums. Most of what I have seen on this forum is

true honest debate on some very real issues that Invicta has experienced.

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08-07-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by louisvillelibertyinvicta

Just to clarify what my original point was, which I think I may of worded incorrectly or at

least it may of been misunderstood. I have no problem with "Purist" and have no problem

with anyone who purchases high end watches and is not exited about anything Invicta. I

not only understand but respect anyone who appreciates craftsmanship and quality and

keeps the very highest standards. My issue has been the ones, and they probably are the

minority but very vocal, who everytime anything positive is stated about Invicta goes on

the attack and has to put down Invicta. I have read your posts and in no way are you or

many of the what I call "Purists" like that. Just wanted to clarify what I realy think and to

ensure I was not being like the ones I was complaining about. Thankfully on this site I

have seen very very little of that compared to many other forums. Most of what I have

seen on this forum is true honest debate on some very real issues that Invicta has

experienced.

Suggest future use of "snobs" rather than "purists". Believe this suits your intention more

accurately.

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08-07-2010, 07:17 PM

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I love my russian divers......

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08-07-2010, 10:22 PM

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Agreed.

You are correct and I should of not used the word "Purist". It did not make the point it was

intended and made it appear I had issues with Purist and I do not at all. Thank You Thanks Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotspur

Suggest future use of "snobs" rather than "purists". Believe this suits your intention more

accurately.

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08-07-2010, 11:15 PM

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I can't believe I read this thread in its entirety.

I MUST be stupid to have endured all that just to make this point.

A watch is a watch.

If you like it, buy it.

If you don't, then don't.

Since the value of an object is only worth what a person is willing to spend, AT THAT

MOMENT, get while the gettin's good.

But, PLEASE, don't hammer the crap out of the goodness that we find in what others like to

buy.

I for one, don't really care if it's JUST a story. In fact, I lean in the direction that it is true, as

I can see this from the Russian design origins, the fact that Zlatoust moved their factory

from St. Petersburg during the NAZI invasion of Russia, and the manufacturer's who've

made the designs since that time.

The whole Witch Hunt theme, here is a bit juvenile, and befitting of folks who troll on other

forums.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaVulture

I can't believe I read this thread in its entirety.

I MUST be stupid to have endured all that just to make this point.

A watch is a watch.

If you like it, buy it.

If you don't, then don't.

Since the value of an object is only worth what a person is willing to spend, AT THAT

MOMENT, get while the gettin's good.

But, PLEASE, don't hammer the crap out of the goodness that we find in what others like

to buy.

I for one, don't really care if it's JUST a story. In fact, I lean in the direction that it is true,

as I can see this from the Russian design origins, the fact that Zlatoust moved their factory

from St. Petersburg during the NAZI invasion of Russia, and the manufacturer's who've

made the designs since that time.

The whole Witch Hunt theme, here is a bit juvenile, and befitting of folks who troll on other

forums.

I'm not sure what you're on about, but the Zlatoust Watch Factory was formed because of

the evacuation of the First State Watch Factory from Moscow, not St. Petersburg.

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And thats all he has to say about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forest Gump.

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Quote:

Invicta Watch Group is a Florida-based watch repair company, trading on the name, but

a distinct entity from the company founded in 1837 by Raphael Picard in La Chaux-de-

fonds, Switzerland. The Picard family owned and operated the company until 1991, when

the company was purchased by a United States-based investment company. The corporate

headquarters were relocated to Hollywood, Florida, where the company also operates its

service call center. Eyal Lalo, former head of Invicta marketing in South America, is the

CEO of the company and frequently appears on televised ShopNBC programs,

i do have a question no one has seemed to ask... if eyal's family didn't take control of invicta

until 1991. then how did his grandmother have anything to do the commision of the 100

pieces back in the 50's is there something that i'm missing here?? or did she not have

anything to do with invicta at all, and just happened to have came across two of the

origanals the she gave to him?

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Originally Posted by RunninOnEmpty

Sounds to me like someone here doesn't own a Panerai.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaVulture

I can't believe I read this thread in its entirety.

I MUST be stupid to have endured all that just to make this point.

A watch is a watch.

If you like it, buy it.

If you don't, then don't.

Since the value of an object is only worth what a person is willing to spend, AT THAT

MOMENT, get while the gettin's good.

But, PLEASE, don't hammer the crap out of the goodness that we find in what others like

to buy.

I for one, don't really care if it's JUST a story. In fact, I lean in the direction that it is true,

as I can see this from the Russian design origins, the fact that Zlatoust moved their factory

from St. Petersburg during the NAZI invasion of Russia, and the manufacturer's who've

made the designs since that time.

The whole Witch Hunt theme, here is a bit juvenile, and befitting of folks who troll on other

forums.

if you don't have anything useful to add to this thread other than bashing people, stay out.

no one cares that you don't care.

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Today, 12:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by unclefixit

FYI as Eyal stated on air, it is a non functioning watch.

Maybe he should send it to CS at Invicta?

*duck*

(Posted in good fun.)

Seriously, interesting topic and discussion but as Jim said, it might be time to move on (in so

many words).

Peace.