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    Whatisconsciousness?Whatdoesitmeanforsomethingto"haveconsciousness"?Whatisthedifferencebetweensomethingthathasconsciousnessandsomethingthatdoesn't?

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    Iseetwoapproachestothisissueandwillintroducethembybrieflydescribingthecontextanddevelopmentofeach,showinghowoneleadsintotheother.Ihaveendeavouredtokeepthisassimpleandconciseaspossibleforasubjectofthisdepth.

    1)NaveRealistApproachNaverealismisacognitivehabitoperatingineachmomentofawarenessthatcausesthemindtoassumethatthesubjectiveobjectsofexperienceareinfactobjectiveexternalobjects.SeeJohnRingland'sanswertoWhatisnaverealism?

    ThuswhenIseeachairinfrontofmeIsimplyassumethatthisisbecausethereisachairinfrontofme.Idonotquestiontheperceptualformsthatariseinthemind,northeconceptualcategoriesthatIhabituallyassociatewiththoseforms.Hencethisformofrealismiscallednave,becauseitisanunconsideredandmerelyassumedepistemologicalposition.Whenitisexpressedasaconsciouslyheldphilosophicalbeliefitiscalleddirectrealism.

    Wethenlookoutfromthisperspectiveof"beingme"uponan"externalphysicaluniverse".Itmayturnouttobetrue,butatthispointtherehasbeennoevidencewhatsoever.Therehasonlybeentheaccumulationofbeliefsarisingfromnaverealistassumptionsaboutthecontentsofsubjectiveawareness.Thusthemindconformstoaselfreproducingclosedloopofhiddenassumptions.

    Thiskeepsthecognitiveandculturaldiscoursesunwittinglyboundwithinanaverealistframework.Thisformsintoanallpervasiveunconsciousparadigm.See

    JohnRingland'sanswertoDowehaveacollectiveparadigm?Else,isitfragmented?

    JohnRingland'sanswertoCaniteverbesaidthatScientificrealismtakesofffromthespringboardofcommonsenseornaiverealism?and

    JohnRingland'sanswertoHassciencebecometoodogmatic?

    WhatIsConsciousness?

    Fromthisstandpointweclaimthatwearephysicalorganismsandthatthebrainimplementsconsciousnessvianeuralactivity.Thenweaskourselves"Whatisconsciousness?"

    FromthisperspectiveitisknowntoscienceastheHardProblemofConsciousness,becausenobodyreallyhasacluehowtoansweritorevenhowtoworktowardsananswer.Therearemanyworkingonthe'easy'aspects,suchashowdoneuralnetworksfunctionandsoon.Butnothingfromthesefieldscanaddressthe'hard'problemofexperientialawareness.

    Thereallyhardproblemofconsciousnessistheproblemofexperience.

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  • 12/03/2015 (2)JohnRingland'sanswertoWhatisconsciousness?Quora

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    Whenwethinkandperceive,thereisawhirofinformationprocessing,butthereisalsoasubjectiveaspect.AsNagel(1974)hasputit,thereissomethingitisliketobeaconsciousorganism.Thissubjectiveaspectisexperience.Whenwesee,forexample,weexperiencevisualsensations:thefeltqualityofredness,theexperienceofdarkandlight,thequalityofdepthinavisualfield.(DavidChalmers,FacingUptotheProblemofConsciousness )

    Furthermore,thewholeunderlyingparadigmisbeginningtofallapart.Forinstance,eachattempttolocateandstudy'matter'hasprovenitnottoexist.SeeWhatismatter?andDoesmatterexist?

    "Letusnowreturntoourultimateparticlesandtosmallorganizationsofparticlesasatomsorsmallmolecules.Theoldideaaboutthemwasthattheirindividualitywasbasedontheidentityofmatterinthem...Thenewideaisthatwhatispermanentintheseultimateparticlesorsmallaggregatesistheirshapeandorganization...Theyareasitwere,pureshape,nothingbutshapewhatturnsupagainandagaininsuccessiveobservationsisthisshape,notanindividualspeckofmaterial..."(ErwinSchrdinger )

    [Thus]modernphilosophicalmaterialistsattempttoextendthedefinitionofmattertoincludeotherscientificallyobservableentitiessuchasenergy,forces,andthecurvatureofspace.HoweverthisopensthemtofurthercriticismfromphilosopherssuchasMaryMidgleywhosuggestthattheconceptof'matter'iselusiveandpoorlydefined.(Wikipedia,Materialism )

    Tosomedegreeskepticismmanifestsitselfinthescientificmethod,whichdemandsthatallthingsassumedasfactsbequestioned.Butthepositivismofmanyscientists,whetherlatentoropen,isincompatiblewithskepticism,foritacceptswithoutquestiontheassumptionthatmaterialeffectisimpossiblewithoutmaterialcause.(TheColumbiaEncyclopedia)

    Empiricalscienceonlyclaims"thatagoodtheoryneedonlyprovideanempiricallyadequatedescriptionofobservablephenomena"(StanfordEncyclopediaofPhilosophy,Rationalismvs.Empiricism )

    Itdoesn'tclaimtobeabletoascertainanykindoftruthbutratheritonlyclaimstohavephenomenologicaladequacyregardingdescriptionsofourperceptionsofthings.Thismeansthatempiricalscienceisfundamentallyunabletoaddressanyquestionsofontology(whatactuallyis)anditcanonlyaddressquestionsofphenomenology(thatwhichappearstothehumanmind).

    Empiricistsclaimthatsenseexperienceistheultimatesourceofallourconceptsandknowledge(StanfordEncyclopediaofPhilosophy,Rationalismvs.Empiricism )

    Becauseofthisrelianceontheobjectsofsenseperception,whichareunquestioninglyassumedtobeexternalobjects,empiricalsciencehassuccumbedtonaverealismandsubtlydevolvedintoScientism.

    Thisisbecauseempiricistsdidnotquestionthenatureandvalidityofsenseexperiences,orofthemindthatishavingthem,butmerelytookthemasbeingrepresentativeofbeingapersoninaphysicaluniverse.SeeJohnRingland'sanswertoCaniteverbesaidthatScientificrealismtakesofffromthespringboardofcommonsenseornaiverealism?

    Naverealismitselfhasbeenchallengedbyphilosophy,psychologyandneuroscience,andnowquantummechanicshasprovenbeyondalldoubtthatnaverealismisafalseepistemologythatprovidesfalseknowledgeofreality.

    TheSternGerlachexperimentinparticulardrivesthispointhome.SeeJohnRingland'sanswertoInsimpleterms,whatdoestheSternGerlachexperiment

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    implyaboutthenatureofquantumsystemsandobservablephenomena?

    Thusthereisaparadigmshifthappening!

    Thereisamajordangerousscientificideaincontemporaryphysics,withapotentialimpactcomparabletoCopernicusorDarwin.Itistheideathatwhatthephysicsofthe20thcenturysaysabouttheworldmightinfactbetrue.(C.Rovelli,THEWORLDQUESTIONCENTER2006 )

    Andquantumphysicistsaremakingstartlingclaimsthatarebackedupbyundeniableevidence.

    Wehavenosatisfactoryreasonforascribingobjectiveexistencetophysicalquantitiesasdistinguishedfromthenumbersobtainedwhenwemakethemeasurementswhichwecorrelatewiththem.Thereisnorealreasonforsupposingthataparticlehasateverymomentadefinite,butunknown,positionwhichmayberevealedbyameasurementoftherightkind...Onthecontrary,wegetintoamazeofcontradictionassoonasweinjectintoquantummechanicssuchconceptsascarriedoverfromthelanguageandphilosophyofourancestors...Itwouldbemoreexactifwespokeofmakingmeasurementsofthis,that,ortheothertypeinsteadofsayingthatwemeasurethis,that,ortheotherphysicalquantity.(EdwinC.Kemble )

    [W]ehavetogiveuptheideaofrealismtoafargreaterextentthanmostphysicistsbelievetoday.(AntonZeilinger )...Byrealism,hemeanstheideathatobjectshavespecificfeaturesandpropertiesthataballisred,thatabookcontainstheworksofShakespeare,orthatanelectronhasaparticularspin...itmaymakenosensetothinkofthemashavingwelldefinedcharacteristics.(P.Ball,Physicistsbidfarewelltoreality? )

    Itisnotjustparticlesandatomsthataregovernedbyquantummechanics.

    Quantummechanicsisincreasinglyappliedtolargerandlargerobjects.Evenaonetonbarproposedtodetectgravitywavesmustbeanalysedquantummechanically.Incosmology,awavefunctionforthewholeuniverseiswrittentostudytheBigBang.Itgetshardertodaytononchalantlyaccepttherealminwhichthequantumrulesapplyassomehownotbeingphysicallyreal...Quantummechanicsforcesustoabandonnaverealism.(QuantumEnigma:PhysicsEncountersConsciousness:BruceRosenblum,FredKuttner )

    Ifthereisanythingtobelearnedfromthelonghistoryoftheepistemologicaldebate,itisthattheissueisbynomeanssimpleortrivial,andthatwhateverisultimatelydeterminedtobethetruthofepistemology,wecanbesurethatitwilldoconsiderableviolencetoourcommonsenseviewofthings...Inscience,irrefutableevidencetriumphsoverincredibility,andthisisexactlywhatgivessciencethepowertodiscoverunexpectedorincredibletruth.(StevenLehar )

    Andthenthereisalsoundeniableevidencecomingfromrigorousexperimentsthat"suggestthatconsciousnessitself,unaidedbyknownphysicalmechanisms,caninfluencephysicalreality.(PEAROrientation)Andtheresultsareunlikelybychancetotheorderof10^12(oneinatrillion).Whichismorerigorouslyproventhanmanycommonlyacceptedscientific'facts'.(R.G.JahnandB.J.Dunne,"Thepearproposition",JournalofScientificExploration,vol.19,no.2,pp.195245,2005,http://www.scientificexploration... )

    TheexperimentswereconductedbythePrincetonEngineeringAnomaliesResearch PEARlabfor28years,usingquantumrandomeventgenerators(REGs ).Itwasshownthatconsciousnesscreatesafieldofambient'coherence'thatdrivesquantumprocessesawayfromrandomnessandtowardsorder.Thiscanalsobefocusedasintentionalinfluence.

  • 12/03/2015 (2)JohnRingland'sanswertoWhatisconsciousness?Quora

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    Clearlytheoldparadigmcannotexplainthesephenomena.Thusscienceisforcedtoshiftawayfromanaverealist,empiricist,materialistfoundation.Thusanewparadigmisneeded!SeethequestionWhatdotheresultsofthePEARGCPICRLexperimentssayaboutconsciousnessandhowcanwescientificallyexplainthem?andalsoNowthatnaiverealismhasbeendisprovenbyquantummechanics,howwillthisimpactourcollectiveparadigm?

    2)NonNaveRealistApproachFromanonnaverealistperspective,oneremainsstaunchlysceptical(openenquiry,withoutassumptionorprejudice).Whatcanbeknownforsurefromthisperspective?

    Inrealitythereisnoperson,onlythewatcheridentifyinghimselfwiththe'I'andthe'mine'...youarenotthis,thereisnothingofyoursinthis,exceptthelittlepointof"Iam",whichisthebridgebetweenthewatcherandhisdream."Iamthis,Iamthat"isdream,whilepure"Iam"hasthestampofrealityonit.(SriNisargadattaMaharaj,IamThat )

    When"Iamseeingachairinfrontofme"thisisbecauseIamandthecontentofawarenessconsistsofperceptualformsthatthemindhascometoassociatewiththeideaofachair.Thusthereistheinterplayofsensoryexperiencesandassociative(memory)experiences.

    IfIremainquietandsimplyobservethecontentsofawarenessIfindthatthereisceaselessactivity.Ifthisactivityisidentifiedwiththenawarenessiscarriedoffonsomesequenceofthoughts.BybringingawarenessbackagaintothespaceofawarenessIcannoticethatduringthatsequence,Iwasnotawareofthespaceofawareness,butonlyofthethoughts.ThusIwasnotawareofmyself.

    Icanobservethestructureofthecontentsofawarenessandnotethatsomeareassociatedwithideassuchasme,body,mind,world,chair,etc.AsanexperimentIcanthenceasebringingawarenessbackintothespaceofawarenessandIletitbecarriedoffononesequenceofthoughtsafteranother,identifyingwithandparticipatinginthestoryofme,body,mind,world,chair,etc.Thisisthemostcommon"everyday"stateofmind.

    DuringthisprocessIamwhollyabsorbedinthestoryofmyselfasapersonwithabodyandamind,livinginaworldandsittingonachair.DuringthisprocessIamnotawareofthespaceofawarenessthe"Iam",whichistheonlytruecertainty.ThusIhavelostsightofcertaintyandenteredintoaworldcomposedentirelyofidentificationswithsensoryphenomenaandmemoryassociationswhichareinterpretedthroughthelensofapersoninaworld.

    "Thepersonismerelytheresultofamisunderstanding.Inreality,thereisnosuchthing.Feelings,thoughtsandactionsracebeforethewatcherinendlesssuccession,leavingtracesinthebrainandcreatinganillusionofcontinuity.Areflectionofthewatcherinthemindcreatesthesenseof'I'andthepersonacquiresanapparentlyindependentexistence.(SriNisargadattaMaharaj,IamThat )

    Thereareotherexperimentsthatonecouldconductasone'sdegreeofdetachmentincreases,suchaskeepingawarenesswithinthespaceofawarenesswhilstthecontentsofawarenessgothroughvariousdifferentprocesses(statesofmindsuchasmoods,ideas,sleep,dreams,personalities,etc).Inallthesecasesthecontentsofawarenesscanchangesignificantly,howeverthespaceofawarenessremainsentirelyunchanged.Justasadigitalimageleavesnotraceonacomputerscreenafterithasgone.Allkindsofphenomenacanplayacrossthe'screen'ofawareness,butawarenessisnotinfluencedbythecontent.

    "Gowithin,gobeyond.Ceasebeingfascinatedwiththecontentofyourconsciousness.Whenyoureachthedeeplayersofyourtruebeing,youwill

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    findthatthemind'ssurfaceplayaffectsyouverylittle...Arayofawarenessilluminesapartofourmindandthatpartbecomesourdreamorwakingconsciousness,whileawarenessappearsasthewitness.Thewitnessusuallyknowsonlyconsciousness.Sadhana(pathleadingtorealization)consistsinthewitnessturningback,firstonhisconscious,thenuponhimselfinhisownawareness.SelfawarenessisYoga(unionwithexistence).(SriNisargadattaMaharaj,IamThat )

    WhatIsConsciousness?

    BybringingawarenessbacktothespaceofawarenessIcannowask"Whatisconsciousness?"

    Whilstidentifiedwiththestoryofme,body,mind,world,chair,etcitseemedasifconsciousnesswasthemindwithitspersonality,perception,memory,intellect,etc.

    Howeverfromtheperspectiveofawarenesswithinthespaceofawareness,Irealisethatthesearethecontentsofawarenessandthatconsciousnesshasitsrootinpureawareness,whichIam,anditunfoldsthroughmyriadcomplexsystemsofperception,memory,thought,etcintoanelaboratecognitivememeplexthatwecallthemind.

    Thishoweverisnotaformofsolipsism,becausealthoughtheonlythingthatIamcertainofisIam,atthislevelofawarenessthereisapassagethroughtoanexpansivenessofuniversalawareness.Atthislevelofconsciousnessthereisonlyoneconsciousness,butitsnot'mine'inasolipsistsense(theideas'me'and'mine'arejustcontentsofawareness)itisauniversalconsciousness.

    "Whenthissupercontemplativestateisreached,theYogiacquirespurespiritualrealisationthroughthebalancedquietofthechitta(thinkingprinciple).Hisperceptionisnowunfailinglyexact(orhismindrevealsonlythetruth).Thisparticularperceptionisuniqueandrevealsthatwhichtherationalmind(usingtestimony,inferenceanddeduction)cannotreveal.Itishostileto,orsupersedesallotherimpressions.Whenthisstateofperceptionisitselfalsorestrained(orsuperseded)thenispureSamadhiachieved."(SamadhiPada,4751,YogaSutrasofPatanjali )

    TorecapI'llsummarisewithaquotefromtheLankavataraSutra.

    "Solongaspeopledonotunderstandthetruenatureoftheobjectiveworld,theyfallintothedualisticviewofthings.Theyimaginethemultiplicityofexternalobjectstoberealandbecomeattachedtothemandarenourishedbytheirhabitenergy.Becauseofthissystemofmentation,mindandwhatbelongstoitisdiscriminatedandisthoughtofasrealthisleadstotheassertionofanegosoulanditsbelongings,andthusthemindsystemgoesonfunctioning.Dependinguponandattachingitselftothedualistichabitofmind,theyaccepttheviewsofthephilosophersfoundedupontheseerroneousdistinctions,ofbeingandnonbeing,existenceandnonexistence,andthereevolveswhatwecallfalseimaginations...

    Falseimaginationsrisefromtheconsiderationofappearancesthingsarediscriminatedastoform,signsandshapeastohavingcolour,warmth,humidity,mobilityorrigidity.Falseimaginationconsistsofbecomingattachedtotheseappearancesandtheirnames...

    Thefivesensefunctionsandtheirdiscriminatingandthinkingfunctionhavetheirrisingsandcompleteendingfrommomenttomoment...Bysettingupnamesandformsgreedismultipliedandthusthemindgoesonmutuallyconditioningandbeingconditioned.Bybecomingattachedtonamesandforms,notrealisingthattheyhavenomorebasisthantheactivitiesoftheminditself,errorarises,falseimaginationastopleasureandpainarises,andthewaytoemancipationisblocked...

  • 12/03/2015 (2)JohnRingland'sanswertoWhatisconsciousness?Quora

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    Bythecessationofthemindsystemasawholeismeant,thecessationofdiscrimination,theclearingawayofthevariousattachments,and,therefore,theclearingawayofthedefilementsofhabitenergyinthefaceofUniversalMindwhichhavebeenaccumulatingsincebeginninglesstimebyreasonofthesediscriminations,attachments,erroneousreasonings,andfollowingacts.GettingridofthediscriminatingmortalmindisNirvana.

    Butthecessationofthediscriminatingmindcannottakeplaceuntiltherehasbeena"turningabout"'inthedeepestseatofconsciousness.Thementalhabitoflookingoutwardbythediscriminatingminduponanexternalobjectiveworldmustbegivenup,andanewhabitofrealisingTruthwithintheintuitivemindbybecomingonewiththeTruthitselfmustbeestablished...Withtheendingofpleasureandpain,ofconflictingideas,ofthedisturbinginterestsofegoism,astateoftranquillisationwillbeattainedinwhichthetruthsofemancipationwillbefullyunderstood..."(LankavataraSutra )

    Howlongwillittaketogetfreeofthediscriminatingmind?

    Itmaytakeathousandyears,butreallynotimeisrequired.Allyouneedistobeindeadearnest.Herethewillisthedeed.Ifyouaresincere,youhaveit.Afterall,itisamatterofattitude.Nothingstopsyoufrombeingagnani(knowerofSupremeKnowledge)hereandnow,exceptfear.Youareafraidofbeingimpersonal,ofimpersonalbeing.Itisallquitesimple.Turnawayfromyourdesiresandfearsandfromthethoughtstheycreateandyouareatonceinyournaturalstate."(SriNisargadattaMaharaj,IamThat )

    Onlythenwillyoutrulyknowwhatconsciousnessis.Theanswerisnotadescriptioninwordsandideas(whicharejustthecontentofawareness)butaprocessbywhichtotasteitandknowitasyourownsubjectivespaceofawareness.Onlythenwillthequestionwhatisconsciousness?beansweredforyou.

    Onecannotjustplaywiththe'contents'ofawarenessandtherebycometoadeepappreciationofconsciousness.Sodon'tjustlookatthesewordsandthinkaboutthem,alsoletthemdirectyourattentiontoyourselfandletthatperspectiveinformyou.

    Sowhatcanbesaidaboutconsciousness?InwordsIcansaythatconsciousnessisthegroundofbeingfromwhichallmanifestationarises.Itisbothuniversalandpersonal,anditenlivensandanimatesallsystems,includingthosethoughttobe'inanimate'.

    Thatwhichpermeatesall,whichnothingtranscendsandwhich,liketheuniversalspacearoundus,fillseverythingcompletelyfromwithinandwithout,thatSupremenondualBrahmanthatthouart.(AdiShankara )

    "Therealdoesnotdie,theunrealneverlived.Onceyouknowthatdeathhappenstothebodyandnottoyou,youjustwatchyourbodyfallingofflikeadiscardedgarment.Therealyouistimelessandbeyondbirthanddeath."(SriNisargadattaMaharaj,IamThat )

    "Whatisitthathadbirth?Whomdoyoucallahumanbeing?If,insteadofseekingexplanationsforbirth,deathandafterdeath,thequestionisraisedastowhoandhowyouarenow,thesequestionswillnotarise...Thebodyisbornagainandagain.Wewronglyidentifyourselveswiththebody,andhenceimaginewearereincarnatedconstantly.No.WemustidentifyourselveswiththetrueSelf.Therealisedoneenjoysunbrokenconsciousness,neverbrokenbybirthordeathhowcanhedie?Onlythosewhothink'Iamthebody'talkofreincarnation.Tothosewhoknow'IamtheSelf'thereisnorebirth.Reincarnationsonlyexistsolongasthereisignorance.Thereisnoincarnation,eithernow,beforeorhereafter.Thisisthetruth."(RamanaMaharshi )

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    Howcanthisbescientificallyunderstood?Ausefulanalogyisvirtualrealitysimulation,whereasingleanimatingsourcecreatesworldsofvirtualphenomena,whereevolvingsentientmindsexperiencethemselvesasindividualbeingsinaworldofobjectsinspaceandtime.TheanimatingthreadthatrunsthroughallsystemsistheIamawareness.Allvirtualphenomenalackafundamentalselfnature,theyareephemeralformswithoutpermanentsubstance,theyare'sunnyata'(emptyofselfnature).Formoreonthesubjectofsimulatedrealitysee:

    JohnRingland'sanswertoTheBigPhilosophicalQuestions:IstheUniverseaSimulation?

    JohnRingland'sanswertoWhatcanbelearnedfromvideogamesthatishardtolearnanyotherway?

    JohnRingland'sanswertoWhatissentience?

    Quantummechanicsiscompatiblewiththissimulationanalogy,forexample:

    ifweacceptthequantizationofspaceandtimeasabasicfactofthestructureofouruniverse,thenwemaygoontoconsiderhowbothofthesepropertieshappentobeintrinsictotheoperationsofacomputer(RossRhodes,CyberneticInterpretationofQuantumMechanics ).

    AlsoseeJohnRingland'sanswertoIslightawaveoraparticle?

    Bythinkingofquantummechanicsinthiswaytheseeminglyparadoxicalaspectsofquantummechanicsareseentobecommonfeaturesofinformationprocessesandvirtualworlds.Forexample,thePlanckfrequency(1.859x10^43Hz)isanalogoustotheframerateofasimulatedvirtualreality.

    Wheelerlabelstheindividualquantumphenomenonanelementaryactofcreation.Weasobserversplayasignificantroleinthisprocesssincewecandecidebychoosingthemeasuringdevicewhichquantumphenomenonisrealized.Still,wecannotinfluencethespecificvalueobtainedthroughthemeasurement.Finally,sincewearepartoftheuniverse,theuniverse,accordingtoWheeler,createsitselfbyobservingitselfthroughus...(Quantummechanicshas)graduallybroughttheroleoftheobserverintothecenterofourdiscussion,arolewhichisexpressedbyClauserinhisjointanalysiswithShimonyofthepresentEPRBellsituationasfollows:"perhapsanunheardtreefallingintheforestmakesnosoundafterall".(AntonZeilinger,OntheInterpretationandPhilosophicalFoundationofQuantumMechanics )

    Inthisparadigmallsystemsareobserversandhaveexperientialawareness,withoutwhichtheycouldnotinteractthisisaformofpanpsychism,inparticularpanprotoexperientialism,Russellianmonism,TypeFmonismorNeutralmonism(GoogleRussellian"TypeF""Neutralmonism ").Thesearetheviewthatconsciousnessisconstitutedbytheintrinsicpropertiesofreality.

    Onthisview,phenomenalorprotophenomenalpropertiesarelocatedatthefundamentallevelofphysicalreality,andinacertainsense,underliephysicalrealityitself.(TheBlackwellGuidetoPhilosophyofMind )

    AlsoseeJohnRingland'sanswertoWhatisitliketobeaquantumcomputationalprocess?

    Howeverjustastherearedegreesofcomplexityof'outer'forms,therearealsodegreesofcomplexityof'inner'processes.Thesimplestsystemshaveonlyasimplestreamofpureawarenessbywhichtheyexperienceandinteract,theyarenotawarethattheyareaware,theyarejustaware.Howeverthentherearesystemssuchasourselves,withextremelycomplexinternalfeedbackloops(e.g.brains),thathavecometoknowthattheyknowthattheyknow.

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    Sowhilstthemindandpersonalityareaproductofbiosociomemeticevolution,theinnermostawarenesswithinallsystemsistheuniversalanimatingprocess.

    ForsomebriefcommentsandmanyquotesseeVirtualRealityAnalogyAlongsideScienceandMysticism .Foradetailedphilosophical,theoreticalandmathematicaldiscussionseeTheObjectiveInformationProcess&VirtualSubjectiveExperiencesHypothesis orjustthemathematicalaspectsSystemScienceofVirtualReality .Thisworkdevelopsfromfirstprinciplesthefoundationsofamathematicalscienceofinformationsystemsandvirtualrealitysimulation.Withinthiscontextitrederivesthefoundationsofquantummechanicsanddiscussesnaverealismandthe'hard'problemofconsciousness,whichbecomesaneasyproblemfromthisperspectivebecausethenaverealisttendencytoignoresubjectiveexperiencefromtheoutsetisavoidedfromtheoutset.

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